114 Responses to Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins

  1. Debra says:

    I was just watching Dr.Oz and seen a story about a beautiful young girl in Ohio Siera that was murderd in 2016 they found the serial killer to me he looks as if he could fit the description of the guy on the tracks with these two little girls that one of the girls filmed. Please take a look at this Doctoroz.crimeHunters. It’s better to say something than nothing at all. Prayers for these families.

  2. gramma says:

    I don’t know why people think it would be hard to take two little girls. All someone would have to do is threaten them with a gun. I’m not from that area and wonder if the park is viewable from a passing thoroughfare road. My thinking is maybe someone saw them from a road and it was a crime of opportunity.

  3. LaDonna Pafford says:

    I follow Iowa Cold Cases on facebook. I saw the post about these two girls and wondered if there might have been an update. What I find is a lot of “evidence” of disrespect, allegations, and even some cruelty. No family deserves this to happen to their child. The responsible person might be someone that their families were acquainted with, but it could have been a stranger (doesn’t happen as often, but it does happen).

    If you think someone might be a suspect, contact the authorities rather than putting someone’s name on public forums. Make sure you have facts to support your suspicions. It is sad that we have turned into a society that tears other people down rather practice, “innocent until proven guilty”.

    You know what needs to be focused on? Factual evidence to find out who did this and helping this family find some kind of peace. No one in this world is perfect, so before you point out the “flaws” in these families, make sure you take a look at yourself, your family, and “flaws” that you have.

  4. M says:

    I remember this. I was a kid at the time, and I remember going to school the day they found their bodies. I didn’t know what was going on until a classmate told me: “The missing girls have been found.” Rest in peace.

  5. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    Jody, I think the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation needs to look at Ricki C. Hess, 52, as of 2017. He supposedly had two previous arrests involving children. He has lived in Evansdale and other towns in that general area.

    He is also listed as a Missing Person from North Liberty, Iowa, according to the Iowa Dept. Of Public Safety. He is considered endangered/physical, for some unknown reason.

    I am not saying he was involved, but he has connections to the area.

  6. ashsanborn says:

    I think it would be great if people stopped attacking the family members for their mistakes and drug use. Did you see yesterday’s Des Moines Register? Lyric’s parents and Elizabeth’s father (Mr. Collins on this page – sorry for your losses, sir) went into detail about their mistakes, how they’ve paid for them, and what they’re doing now to make things better and honor their daughters’/nieces’ memory.

    Mr. Collins lost his daughter, his niece, his marriage, his peace of mind and much more. Why dig in deeper?

    Lots of people in Iowa are on meth. Most Iowa meth dealers I am aware of are small time losers who will be caught by LE long before they can do serious damage (in the form of murders and stuff, obviously they’re doing damage to addicts and their families).

    This was in no way set up as if to “send a message” as dealers and the mafia do. They would have been left in front of their homes, or photos would have been sent of them harmed before they died. Someone wanting money would keep them alive or the perception that they were alive in an effort to collect. Someone wanting money would threaten or harm the adults who actually owe them money (perhaps by threatening the children, yes).

    This seems more like one or more pedophiles or a thrill killing. :-(

    RIP Lyric and Elizabeth.

    • Roger says:

      Can’t believe you said that !? Really !, don’t dig deeper to find out who did this ??? Wow ?!

      Do you have any knowledge of the workings of a drug cartel ? The parents may not know the specific killer but they DO know why thoes beautiful little girls lives we taken !

      These drug cartel enforcer are animals but they are also magnificently smart. They know exactly where the focus would be and that is excatly what happened, the “child molester in a white van” theory. These murders were a direct result of the parents “bad habits”.

      I say keep digging til you hit China ! Thoes girls deserve it.

      • Kim says:

        FWIW, Dustin Honken and Angela Johnson, both “small time” meth dealers in the Mason City area, kidnapped and killed five people in 1993 order to send a message not to squeal. Three of their victims were an innocent woman and her two young daughters who happened to be dating one of Honken’s former dealers…they were considered collateral damage in Honken’s quest to shut his victims up. The victims were all shot and buried in shallow graves around the Mason City area. So it’s not impossible that a dealer would do something like that to someone’s child in order to ensure silence.

        • Roger says:

          Thank you Kim for looking outside the box.
          I lived in Dade county Florida (Miami) for 3 short years back in the 80s where a close relative worked with one of the early drug task force’s in the state. Some of the most disturbing drug related killings was that of drug dealers luring the children of lower level user’s and dealer’s that had stolen product from them or owed money for drugs used.

          They would kill the children and lay them face down with their arms folded under their heads as if they were sleeping. Not all mutilated like you would expect from such animals.
          They would also target “drop off” spots for their bodies where know abductions had taken place so the public would automatically think it was a child molester/killer.

          Now, is it clearer that this is realistic ?
          Again Thank you Kim.

  7. Roger says:

    It’s very obvious that this horrible tragic event took place because of the heavy drug use and selling of drugs within the families.
    This actually happens a lot within the world of illegal drug use and dealing of drugs.
    They either received drugs that couldn’t be paid for or they stole drugs from dealer.
    It is very common for revenge to be taken out on the loved ones in this fashion.

    Some think it was a botched kidnapping/ransom scenario that went wrong ?
    Why did the brother vanish so quickly after the girls were declared missing ?
    Either way, look deeper into the families connection with the drug world and you WILL find the killer/killer’s.

    • Kate says:

      I think people want to blame the alleged drug use of the families because, they can’t accept the real truth. Here it is, as I see it, and this site PROVES, children get abducted and murdered everywhere. Even in rural Iowa. I think it is easier to blame the families, so we can all feel a bit safer, and better about ourselves when we let our own kids ride bikes or play outside alone.
      Five blocks from my home a murdered woman’s body was dumped. I live in a town of 500. My family refused to tell me because they” didn’t want to scare me” … deluded and risky…
      Btw, only one set of parents was connected with drugs. Even if they were the meth dealers of the year, did they deserve this? No. Roger, Please don’t feel like I am attacking you directly, I’m just trying to shed light on this blind spot we Iowans seen to have regarding murder, and the reasons it occurs. Even if I am proven wrong by an arrest of a drug cartel member, other children and adults in this state have been spotted, stalked, killed, and dumped. Drew, if you’re out there you and your family are victims too! You deserved better, so did your little ones.

      • Roger says:

        In no way do i feel attacked by you making a comment, that’s why we are members of this site, to bring minds together.

        I’m not pushing this off on “Drugs” because it’s the path of least resistance, I’m stating known and proven facts. These were not not run of the mill “Druggies” that you see on tv sitting on a tore up couch in a 8’×25′ mobile home.

        They simply got in too deep with professional drug dealers and as i said before, very common practice to have the children kidnapped for ransom or as in this case, murdered.
        Believe me, sometimes the general public knows way more than law enforcement agencies will ever know and to me those people are just as guilty as the killers for keeping that information secret.

        I’m being a broken record here, but for a good reason…LOOK DEEPER INTO THE CONNECTIONS THE >FAMILIES< HAD IN THE DRUG WORLD…
        The killers are there !

  8. rozann mason says:

    I always thought it was someone working for the DOT. That section of hwy 20 was under construction for months. People on the crew could have seen them alone every day on those paths. Why not see who called in sick the day they disappeared?

  9. Cat Rightsell says:

    A very similar case just happened here: https://www.in.gov/isp/delphi.htm

  10. Misty Combs says:

    I was watching the ID Channel, and a episode came on about a prisoner named Kevin Sweat from OK state prison. A lot of similarities. 2 young girls, white truck. I’m not sure if this is in any way related, but the similarities struck me. His crime was in 2008.

  11. Emmeline says:

    I highly doubt the girls’ murders are related to drugs, or that the murder were perpetrated by drug-traffickers, or a gang of any kind. Even though Dan Morrissey was involved with meth, my guess would be that if the murders were related to drugs, we would absolutely know. For example, a rival meth dealer, or maybe an angry supplier, would leave clues, or a type of message that confirmed his or her involvement in the crime. Murders and crimes like such are committed for punishment, and the person being punished must be made aware of this fact.
    While stranger abductions are exceedingly rare, I also doubt that this crime was committed by someone very familiar to the girls. It might be a stranger, or a distant acquaintance, maybe someone the girls had casually seen once, but I doubt it was anyone very close to the girls or their family.
    Because the girls were presumably kidnapped in a fairly quiet, isolated area (the lake), I believe they were probably seen either in town, and followed to the abduction site, or someone at the lake happened to see them. This seems to be a chance encounter with an opportunistic predator, or someone who will acknowledge an opportunity that presents them with the chance to abuse a child.
    The children were moved from the abduction site and their bodies were dumped in a more remote area 25 miles away, so, like the police said, the abductor most likely lives in and knows the area. Moreover, if committed by someone close to Elizabeth and Lyric, their bodies would most likely have been left at the lake, or they would have been moved to a closer, more public area.
    I don’t believe these girls were killed by a juvenile offender or first-time offender, as the perpetrator took two victims at once, which is very risky. An unexperienced or young offender would most likely not take that risk. On the other hand, there might be more than one perpetrator. Most likely a team of two, but sexual predators, especially child sex offenders, tend to commit crimes alone.
    My guess is that Elizabeth and Lyric were taken by a stranger who happened to see them riding their bikes, without anyone else around, and decided to kidnap them. He (more than likely a he), then drove to a remote, fairly distant area to dispose of the bodies. My guess is that he never believed the remains would be found.

  12. I really hope they find the sick person behind this.

  13. Cat Vogel says:

    I thought they were looking at that guy from Northwood IA for this. He is now deceased, but he had a habit of abducting two girls at a time for his perversions. He was still alive when these two girls were taken.

  14. rip little angel my heart aches that the world is so cruel to take you and your cousin

  15. This is very sad and heart breaking. I pray someone comes forward.

  16. Tamara DeNell says:

    I’m a 56 year old woman and have been following this case for some time. I myself have been sexually abused as a child. I’m sorry no child is safe. I remember my relatives spouses n friends on both sides of the family taking advantage of me at a very, very early adge. (No) one should b trusted or ruled out. Sorry for your loss. I will keep up on this until he, she or they get caught

  17. Mystery addict says:

    Please add the courier and kewl stories about the chief of police Kent smock being corrupt and being fired, then disappeared. Why was he fired…. for behaviors consistent with stalking. For misappropriation of law enforcement resources. I believe with all of my heart one of two theories as fact.
    The evansdale city or other law enforcement / first responder took them. Nothing adds up about thier stories and the behavior or the police department was either shady as a whole and Kent figured it out…. or…. Kent did it.
    While we were sitting on the lawn waiting for instructions on the search parties. …. he refused to let us go out at night and threatened to arrest anyone who did. Then another cop…. a rookie no longer on duty…. tried to deescalate the crowd by reassuring us that Kent smock was the man for the job! He had all kinds of experience with sex trafficking crimes…. computer crimes. Which sounds good in theory except for a few missing facts.
    – he hadn’t been on the job for more then a couple weeks, recently retiring from the jail as a deputy.
    – the police chief he replaced remains on duty but, stepped down from chief or even assistant chief to be a regular patrol officer. The police chief prior to Randy Weber was also fired under similar circumstances over a technical paper trail where he was cleared of all wrong doing, but, all the cops got together and fired him too. Prior to that it had been since before 1970 that a chief of police had been let go in evansdale.
    – shortly after this full time officer quits to go work for railroad. Sounds simple enough… but his families are also tied into the local drug trade.
    – the fbi and dci camped at the evansdale pd for months or years after this and were present during this time that Kent was fired.

    Motives…. could be anything. Fame. Notoriety. Mystery. But most likely drug money and prison time. But hey no one is a criminal until they get caught right….

  18. jerry carlberg says:

    Who has left the area,???about that time…

  19. Daniel King says:

    It is uncommon for stranger abductions to happen. I have a feeling that these 2 girls… knew their murderer.

  20. prolly a family member..they kill us to keep control of fear in the rest of us

    • Frita says:

      What is “prolly”????? Do you have an idea how ignorant you sound. The word is “probably” as in you probably did not make it past eigth grade.

      • Tamara DeNell says:

        Your ignorant fir calling someone that. Maybe illustrate. But tried to communicate. Good job Prolly

        • Jody Ewing says:

          This from ICC admin Jody Ewing: While we appreciate all comments and hope to foster discussion about this unsolved case (which includes both girls), I see no point in someone attacking another person’s spelling or grammar. Frita, even while criticizing someone’s use of the word “prolly,” your own comment contained three grammatical errors. Just to show you how ridiculous and insulting comments like this come across to others: 1) In your first sentence, the ending quotation mark should have been “outside” the five question marks. (i.e. What is “prolly?????”) 2) ‘Do you have an idea how ignorant you sound’ should have ended with a question mark, not a period, and it should have been “any” idea, not “an” idea. 3) In reference to your insults about the commenter’s lack of education, I believe you meant to say “eighth” grade rather than eigth grade.

          No one is ever 100% perfect with grammar and punctuation, but this site isn’t about grammar or punctuation; it’s about unsolved murders and missing persons cases. I would no more attack someone for writing FWIW (instead of For what it’s worth) than I would someone using the word “prolly” instead of “probably.”

          Did the writer clearly convey what he/she meant as it related to this cold case? Absolutely. They did so without attacking anyone else in the process.

          * The next time you want to attack A) their; B) they’re; C) there grammatical or spelling errors, you might want to first check your own and remember why this website exists.

          * Answer: A) their

          • Amber L says:

            I love this! Thank you! I can not stand when people down others for errors. I can read anything in the English Lang but do not ask me to spell or put it in correct grammar!

          • Drew Collins says:

            Don’t attack somebody for there grammar but it’s ok to attack the family of the girls

            • Melissa Vogt says:

              Drew Collins , I will Apologize To you Sir , For The Awful and rude Comments being made about you and your Family . I know you surely didnt ask for any of this, If you could turn back time just for 1 min maybe it would change something? I pray every day for you and Your family and Pray that today you will get Justice for Elizabeth , I share The information every day online in Hope’s it may help.
              People will always judge (not all people) but there judgements, views, or comments , are just speculation From what information is available in the media , which isn’t the most reliable source as of lately. .

              I truly hope and Pray for Justice for Elizabeth and Lyric

  21. Rip sweet angels…this is so sad. I remember this :’-(

  22. Megan Ashley says:

    I remember that was all over the local news for a long while

  23. Diana Wilson says:

    I don’t know how people can get away with murder.

    • John Parker says:

      No witnessnes, no evidence, nobody speaking up. It’s sad. How can someone live with themselves day to day?

    • Some people don’t have a conscious

      • Frita says:

        Everyone has a concious unless they are in a comma. Not everyone has a conscience

        • Tim says:

          I see that you have been correcting people’s grammar but don’t you mean coma instead of comma? There is other things to worry about especially finding the killer of these two girls and your acting like a grammar nazi. Get a life

    • Hopefully with time theyll fess up if they dont get busted first. Its happended before one guy fessed up after about 40 years turned himself in.

      • kathy says:

        Likely he did this to deflect suspicion on the other one involved. Jim Newton the Detective working that case then showed me the pictures that could not be used in evidence. There were two sets of footprints from Huntbachs rental to their house next door. It snowed and the perps walked over the new snow. The houses were next door. The police were so freaked out that they actuially stood on the prints and smoked before the detectives got there.

  24. There is more out there! They just aren’t releasing it! Not sure why? Maybe they want everyone involved?

  25. Jodi Frye says:

    Parents drug dealers did it. Keep investigating them!

    • I’m glad I’m not the only one with that theory! Poor girls :(

    • Which Parents,, both sides have their share!!!!!

      • Drew Collins says:

        Shame on you bitch if I ever see you in public I will punch you in the face like you were a dude . Better believe it .you are a nasty person and have no class someday our paths will cross and I can’t wait you are a troll.drew Collins father of Elizabeth June Marie

        • Marianne Good says:

          Wow Drew,are you really threatening me on a public forum? Let me ask you this..Did you or Heather actually take a polygraph and pass? Misty and Dan did,and passed! And considering your past,maybe you can’t pass one.

          • Pauline says:

            I wrote this after the girls were found .Dec 2012 I’m just uneducated white trash but that don’t make me all bad. I may have missed a lot of the discussions and taken the wrong/right side or neither I dont know what goes on in the mind of others but I do know evil exists. I don’t know if there’s more bad then good in the world but I do know there is good. I struggle everyday with judging others and don’t like that in me but I do it just the same. I’m easily manipulated and often lied to but I try yo be honest as I can and not use others toward my own personal gains or demand to get my own beliefs and opinions forced on others. Im often wrong when I do and I find dont know what I’m talking about. All I know is how I feel and all I want(ed) here was to see a couple little girls home and home they are now. I want the vile sick and evil person(s) caught and removed from hurting g any other children forever. I want to lyric and Liz’s life and death have meaning and make the changes nessasry to protect and to allow other children their freedom to play again. I want sexual offenders against children to know we are not going to take our children being used and taken and slaughtered anymore. I want laws changed I want parents aware and deligent and I want the closed minded masses to think for theirselves to put the children first. There are alot of good intended people but none of us really know and God forbid we ever do know what its like to have one of our own children taken in such evil and cruel way. I don’t know lyric or Liz or their families personaly but they have changed me, and I will never forget them…… Please no grammar police. There not enough time.

    • Jodi Frye says:

      I would imagine same dealers?

      • Drew Collins says:

        Jodi I don’t have any drug dealers so I would appriciate if you might not talk about me like you know me . I have a clean record and have never been in trouble with the police since I was a young man I’m 45 years old and am not a druggy I own my own business and am home with my childeren every night . So please don’t act like you know anything about me . It makes me sick how people want to judge my family and they don’t know anything about my family . I am not dan or misty I am my own person I have nothing to do with meth or people who do . It must be nice living in judgement of others why don’t you look at yourself .karma is a bitch I’d watch out someday something tragic could happen to you and maybe while your going threw hell some asshole will talk shit about you online . Shame on you

        • Chris says:

          Drew- so sorry that on top of losing your daughter you have to deal with crap like this. Unreal!

          • Jon says:

            I think Jodi is right on the money ! This suspicion was brought to light shortly after the girls disappearance. This theory is actually world wide on different site’s. All fingers point right the immediate family.

    • I agree that the one set of parents owned money to a drug dealer and they weren’t paying so maybe they took the one and they couldn’t leave a witness so they took her to. Just saying I hope they arrest someone for these little girls to finally be in peace

    • Or those girls saw something they shouldn’t have.

    • Jodi Frye says:

      I just dnt knw. How did someone get two girls into a vehicle off a bike trail with no one seeing the struggle? Thats why i think the drug dealers have something to do with it. Those girls probably saw them in the house and was never told they are ‘bad people’. So one of them says ‘hey ur mom/dads in trouble come w us’ & they did. Thats my theory. Otherwise i dnt understand how no one saw two girls fighting adult/s trying to get them in a car. RIP angels I hope ur justice is one day found!

  26. Somebody knows something but they are keeping very quiet! These girls deserve justice!!!

  27. So sad. I really wish the woman of cold justice would look into this

  28. Pat Mcnamara says:

    Somebody in Evansdale knows something.

  29. Logan Nelson says:

    1982 September 5th… Jonny Gosch was reported missing after he "disappeared" while delivering mail. This happened in Des Moines but just hang in there. He's wagon of mail was found a block away from his house. He was reportley being followed by a blue car.. The case remained could until 1977 when he allegedly visited his mother, she claimed her son told her that he had escaped from a child abuse ring by prominent Iowa businessmen and politicians .. This may be the same people yet I don't know why the would kill them but this could be a lead idk

  30. I’ve been thinking of them often latley as summer is now here and how heartbreaking it is that their family still does not have any more answers and that justice has not been brought.

  31. Bette Luck says:

    I am sad, so sad for these families. I hope and pray for information leading to an arrest. SOMEONE know a piece of information that would help break this case. Do it for those girls.

  32. Three years already. Does not seem like it.

  33. Heartbreaking..i hope they find.out who did this to them .

  34. Diana Wilson says:

    I like the updates. I’m surprised someone hasn’t let it slipped as to who did this. No closer for the family. So sad.

  35. Maybe call in a physic. Praying for justice.

  36. I pray for justice, for this little Angel. And for her family.

  37. This happened not far from where I grew up. I can’t believe something so heinous took place in a small town. This beautiful girls deserve justice. Somebody knows something. I hope they do the right thing.

  38. Now I’ve recently heard of a guy in Webster Co. that was trying to snatch children. I wonder if it’s the same guy.

  39. steve says:

    I would bet anything it had to do with the drugs n ratting ppl out….makes me sick to my stomach because I was down by the lake twice that day within that time frame..

    • stacy says:

      Steve, am sure you have done so did you see anything or remember anything? Talk to the police about it?

    • Shania Hunter says:

      get hypnotized. You saw the killer. You just don’t remember it. Hypnosis will bring it out and we can move on. Then there’s the reward………

  40. Anonymous says:

    Has anyone looked into the Oelwein mayor? He was just arrested for child sexual abuse and the victims were similar ages. I know Oelwein is 30+ miles away but you drive near that area when you go towards Oelwein.

  41. There is someone out there, other than the person(s) who committed this crime, that knows the identity – hoping someone gets a conscious and reveals who it is.

  42. I pray for someone to comes forward. My heart goes out to the family.

  43. I was following this case and was SO hoping they’d be found and that’s they’d be okay. I was so upset when they were found. May these little girls rest in peace

  44. I remember this very sad just wish they found out who did it… And may those girls rest in peace :(

  45. But there were hopes that this case could have been solved if the man responsible for that kidnapping was also responsible for this kidnapping. He’s now been ruled out. :-/

  46. Jordi Faber that is a totally different kidnapping unfortunately. That was a 15 year old girl Kathlynn Shepard and her 12 year old friend from another small town in Iowa.

  47. I pray they find who did this. Prayers to the family and friends. My thoughts are with all of you. God bless ! Very sad and heart breaking.

  48. I was shocked when I heard the girls were missing and followed the case on websleuths. I was hoping that they would be found alive. The little girls were around the same age as my son. I cant imagine what their families have gone through with thier disappearance and deaths.

  49. In memory of Lyric & Elizabeth!! <3

  50. Kris Starks says:

    This case was just a mess! Seems it was all botched or something from the get go. Someone out there knows something…you can bet on it.

  51. Don says:

    I think Klunder is probably the perpetrator of this crime. He seemed perfectly comfortable taking two victims at a time. Unfortunately,he took the cowards way out so as not to answer for the evil he did.

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