Ronnie and I were first cousins. His mom, Ruth Lura Westwick and my mother, Myrtle Lura Tjelta were sisters. Ron and I grew up together. He originally went to Williams Iowa to school but came to Ellsworth Consolidated School, Ellsworth, Iowa. I believe we were about fifth or sixth grade. We both graduated from Ellsworth High School in 1962. Ron did have epilepsy and was on medication for that. I don’t recall he had any other medical problems. His biggest problem was alcohol. Quite a few arrests and jail time. He was sent to Anamosa after he took a school bus and drove down Main Street in Webster City, Iowa. I doubt he had a license at that point. His parents, Ruth and Elmer Westwick, lived in Ellsworth at the time he went missing. Ron lived with them after he divorced Jan Fish and after getting out of Anamosa. He was actually doing pretty well and not drinking too heavy at the time he went missing. He told his folks he was going to Ames the night he went missing. I don’t remember the name of the bar he was going to but the Ames detectives did find he had a high score on a game machine at the bar. I would assume you have checked their files. The lead detective was Clair Keigley (deceased). Ron was an only child and it tore his parents up with grief. They were never the same. One of our classmates thought she saw him in Chicago but couldn’t prove it. To my knowledge his credit card or SS number was ever used. I don’t know if he is one of the pictures on the new deck of cards you are using. That is a wonderful use of cold case dollars. My name is Geraldine Carole Tjelta Greenfield. I live in Story City, Iowa. Email is scamma1944@ gmail.com.
Please visit Lyon County’s Wilma June Nissen Web site for more details about the case and the reward.
That is no longer available at the moment. According to the Rock Rapids Sheriff’s Department, it is an IT issue. It is in the process of being fixed as of 3/18/25
This website needs an editor and moderator. Some simple fixes would make this project come alive. I like the storytelling. A few writers would beef out case files and create a narrative. Telling about their life at the end is always jarring. I hope these cases can be solved. Good luck out there, everyone.
This article is about a missing cold case. I can’t understand when people start to bring political opinions. There are family and friends mourning the young lady
I would think that the updated forensics tools, would be able to identify the weapon used as either a .32 or .38 caliber firearm.
Also, there seems to be additional details about his location after his wife last saw him, that should be released after all these years.
It bothers me that some details are kept close to the vest. However, hiding these small details has not helped the investigation in over 47 years.
The most likely offender, may be deceased. But then we must protect the investigation, otherwise someone or connected to the murder, might stumble in claim to have murdered him.
In February of 2017 Trump’s Administration took away access to the PFAS Nitrite ‘forever’ chemicals water test data that had been collected since the 1970’s on our Tap and Bottled Water and our Source Waters. Trump protected BAYER, CHEMCHINA, CORTEVA AGRISCIENCE, and AGRIGRAIN/VILMORIN-MIKADO from everyone in the United States, knowing the increasing levels of those Corporations PFAS Nitrite man-made inorganic Arsenic, organophosphates, herbicide/pesticide contaminants ingredients and heavy metals that have grown to levels that have Iowa as the second highest state in cancer rates that are starting in younger and younger age groups. I’m one mother, grandmother, great-aunt and someday great-grandmother who is still waiting for JUSTICE for my son Adam M. Lack, with the reinstatement of Adam’s USDA-NRCS Revised Universal Soil Loss Equations, Version 3 or the RUSLE3. Adam’s RUSLE3 had limited Point Source contamination of our U.S. Source Waters from KOCH and Arab ORASCOM’s Anhydrous Ammonia and the People’s Republic of China’s Smithfield CAFO’s very water-soluble nitrogen fertilizers. Now in 2025 Trump’s Administration has taken away access to the AEA, NIH, vaccination records and health data on the miscarriages, learning disabilities, birth defects, handicaps, etc, to cover-up for those same Conglomerates products having contaminated our Tap and bottled water.
I found out about the case on a YouTube video. I recognized the name because I went to school with her. We were in the same grade. I confirmed she was the same girl we went to school with in a group for our graduating class. Then a mutual friend let me know that she’s alive in Mexico. I messaged the profile she gave me and she confirmed that she was the Yerlanin “JD” Garcia that was in class with me. She had no idea that this was here so I gave her a link to contact the admins but I can’t imagine it’s easy to confirm your identity after 15 years.
Please, if you knew Wilma in any way, no judgement at all, I swear!
Or you want to follow her case , I’m her daughter & I am doing everything I can to get answers!
In your video account of the murderer Jack Purcell, when the detective Was asked why thirty one years later he came in to confess? The detective gave the wrong answer. Jack purcell said he had found Jeus Christ as his savior for his sins. That was when God made him born again. Then Jesus told him to go confess! This is a huge detail that you must include, to be correct, in the story of The reason mister purcell turned himself in.
I like that the State of Iowa Cold Case Unit was created. They brought more resources and new eyes to the investigation.
Plus they bring the clout of the Attorney General. Maybe that will push the envelope on other cold cases, that have been posted here and ignored for too long.
Mr. Davis sounds like a individual, that should be residing in prison.
As the time has gone by and no results have been made on the case of my mother and step-father, it doesn’t get any easier. I have contacted DCI and with many questions and information gathered but no results. They sometimes get my hopes up but seem to just drop it as “we have current cases” that we need to look at.
All I am asking is to find out where to find my mother. Her family in Maine and Iowa, children, grandchildren and great grandchildren just want to find her and bring her home.
DCI can handle the who done it.
We just want closure with finding her.
Please if anyone has any information
24 years ago sweet little man you became an angel and now you have had so many of your grandmas and grandpas join you aunts and uncles…this day never goes by without my mind thinking of your beautiful blonde hair and innocent eyes…i know you are in paradise surrounded by angels sweet boy..know you arent forgotten..
I believe this was my aunt who threw her baby in the river. I was talking to woman of this generation in my family couple days ago and they said my aunt threw her newborn in the des Moines river. The year adds up, the would been a teen. I was shocked to be told and another woman said yes she threw her baby in.
Snakes don’t eat plain meat, beef, butchered chicken, human or otherwise. Pet snakes eat whole prey animals, like mice, rats, bigger ones like red-tailed boas and Burmese pythons get rabbits, whole chickens etc. Some wild snakes eat fish or eggs. None of them’ll eat sliced pork.
George Cheramy did it. Everyone knows this. He has a brother that’s schizophrenic or suffers from some form of mental illness. He has been screaming to the hills that George has done it. George is not stable and has a felony. However, even though he has a felony he has no issue carrying air guns that are modded and shoot much stronger then typical firearms. He has 2 dogs trained to attack and potentially kill people. I would definitely look into dna in evidence box. There HAS to be something. And whether the brother is sane or not, I feel that is the best lead to chase. Instead he gets dismissed due to his mental illness. George has been a thorn in many peoples sides over the years including his own flesh and blood! It is time for true justice to be served!
People really don’t know how obvious this was back in the day. I know people that worked with Lynn. She’d show up for work some mornings with bruises and marks on her face.
Then the guy refused to help? And he quickly took up with another woman? Then he sought a divorce with Lynn, and how soon after? And then finally got granted the divorce in another county where he couldn’t be questioned about her disappearance?
Pleeeease!
Unfortunately the people that knew him are mostly gone now. His neighbors knew the family well and had firm beliefs to the point of shouting “What did you do with her Keith!?” whenever they saw him. People knew Lynn, loved her, and she did not run off and…abandon her little son????..Um, no. If I could laugh about this whole thing, I’d laugh hardest about the idea she’d abandon her son. And I guess if you knew her, you’d know that wasn’t an option. This was the biggest case of “If it looks like a duck…” you will ever see in Cedar Rapids, IA. It was an open secret in a time where people did not have websites to go argue about it.
Don’t care how well you know him in Idaho, just trust our community. This was a murder and he got away with it.
31 year’s still no revisiting of the case I have tried to contact the detective no response back regarding me to come in and see all the information they have and also I want DNA done on a swab in evidence and pubic hairs they need tested to rule out to just confirm anyway the blanket and clothes nail trimmings etc , there is so much technology available to test all DNA and just know he who killed her will never make to heaven Jesus will slam the dam door, I cannot believe her ex is still walking around talking about her to people seems like he’s got a bad conscience Jesus will judge you either way, hellis where your going for killing my mother.
It was a different time back then. Police sometimes inspected the contents of impounded vehicles, and many times they did not.
In this day and age, it’s important to inspect them and also inventory the contents, otherwise they could face a lawsuit, by someone claiming that something of value was missing.
This might be important of the vehicle was registered to someone arrested, or in connection to a crime.
I find it interesting that he was found shot to death in his home. Then his apartment was found ransacked, and money he saved for the purchase of a new van was missing. There is no mentioned of who found him. Also, there is no mention if there were signs of forced entry
Then it mentions that he was married to one woman probably r to WW II, and then married another woman. But iit seems that he was alone, when murdered.
The next question, is who knew about the money, that he set aside for the new van. I would assume that the offender may have left the area, otherwise they most likely have attracted attention, with a large sum of money.
Of course I have no evidence or proof but there’s not a doubt in my mind that those two creeps killed Mr. Hatcher. I have relatives that were neighbors and that whole house was a nest of drug addicted vermin.
Was Bob working at the casino the night he was killed?
My name is Brian Wise, I work at KAAL-TV in Rochester, MN.
We recently ran a story on 25th Anniversary and I was hoping to get some answers for Gerald’s family.
As a former detective with a federal government agency, it bugs me about records issues. We have cold cases, where the cause of death information has not been released to protect the investigation. This involves some cases that are decades old.
In Pennsylvania, a woman was found stabbed to death. The medical examiner classified her death, as a homicide, until the police said there was no signs of forced entry. So, he reclassified her death as a suicide.,
Her parents disagreed, and have been fighting, and had another autopsy. The medical examiner finally reclassified it as a homicide.
However the crime scene was cleaned by the apartment landlord.
The other issue on these investigations, is that who is going to get the credit. It’s part of the reason the FBI, was not well liked many years ago. The Washington Field office used to take credit for recovering stolen cars that the D.C. Metro Police actually recovered.
Another detective was concerned that are department was not getting credit, for some arrests we made, that we turned over the Chicago Police Department. Like we were not getting credit.
I could care less, because of the arrestee, pops up on a warrant or is tied into something better, then the Chicago Police officers involved might owe us a favor.
Many agencies are concerned about who gets the credit. That’s why am big on state wide cold cases units, that are staffed with federal, state, and local agencies.
The U S. Marshal’s Service has had fugitive task forces made up of their people, and many local, state law enforcement agencies, which various resources, and expertise.
“Hedin said he left the saloon about 10 minutes before Blachut.” – How did Hedin know, just curious, if Hedin left early… How do they know Blachut left later, hmmm,.
Maybe someone should investigate our crooked Sheriff Marty Fisher and his retired Deputy Cheif Hames Davis and the affair Marty was having with Wade’s mommy dearest.
ever heard of aliba middle school students at that time lost there hair in a card game to a marine i belive harry was the only one at that time i know these guys and they were eigth grad at the time
The October 1946 shotgun murder of Dr. Ady Royal McKeown of Conesville was never solved, at least from what I can tell. His neighbor, Conesville mayor George Brown was arrested but the grand jury did not indict so he was released.
could it be that aperson is using domestic acts of vilonce to cover a serial killer acts ther edoing or mybe for hire i mean there ernie there is amos from albia also knoxville a man convicted of shooting his mom ottumwa deputy shoot his wife all these a family killing or ex supposidly done this see the patern each done with a difrent weopon and the fry killing down i melrose mybe this sick person is from an abusive parentents or there parente used to fight in front of them and they think its okay
is it possible that the amos lady tim erni and the smith boy all the same reson mybe those involved were involved with the martin kid and gott kid or difrent cases it seems all military involved has the farm where the hills and martins lived out side of avery searched it has a pond in it and people i lknmow lived there got sick after drinking the water from tap mybe just asking
I am pleased to see that an arrest was made after 40 years of going unsolved. I have followed her case for years and have always hoped this day would come.
Thinking of her family through this difficult time and I hope this brings you some peace after everything is said and done.
A day we never thought would happened – finally did. An arrest made 40 years later! The same man many guessed was the murderer will finally be held responsible. The arrest of Thomas Duane Popp!!!!
Here’s a YT video that includes this story, which starts at 9:25. It sounds like she engaged in a lot of very risky behavior, especially for a youngster her age, then or now.
I watched the video. Multiple errors on the parts of multiple LE agencies over decades compromised LE investigations; or lack thereof as the case may be.
Seems to me she deserved better than her home life and absentee father coupled with the inept handling of her case.
Tonya, the age range is close, and height is spot on. However, the eye color, and hair color is not a match. Their is no mention of the missing guy having freckles, or tattooes.
I read about it in the Des Moines Register. I’m awaiting additional info to see if his death should be added to our homicides section. A very sad ending for this young man.
What I want to know is…When was the last time she was seen by someone other than her husband? Why wasn’t the alligator and snakes x-rayed to see what they had eaten? Those would have cleared Pogo and the snakes from being involved. Was the places he says he visited that day checked?
Is it possible to take a three year old fishing in Iowa? Yes. For five hours? Probably not. That is a long time for an adult to go fishing. This piece of shit killed his wife. All of these faggots who say “he was my science teacher, nice guy” are fuckin clueless pieces of shit. This motherfucker will get what is coming to him. No doubt about it. He deserves to die.
I wonder if they ever looked into Theodore Anthony Hoerstman as the possible skeleton that was found in Winneshiek County?
Theodore Anthony “Ted” Hoerstman, a 45-year-old disabled adult, was reported missing to the Dubuque Police Department in Dubuque, Iowa, on December 6, 1982.
Weight: 175 lbs.
Height: 5′ 09″
Hair Color: Brown
I wonder if they ever looked into Theodore Anthony Hoerstman as the possible skeleton that found in Winneshiek County – March 31, 1986
Description: White male, 33 to 36 years of age, five feet six inches to five feet nine inches, 145 – 160 lbs., brown hair, medium build
Details: Skeletal remains found March 31, 1986, between hay bales at a farm site in Winneshiek County, Iowa
It’s been over a year since Burns’ remains were found and no release of autopsy results – at least what I could find via web searches.
I would think the autopsy would ascertain if foul play was suspected (e.g. knife wound markings on his bones, compressed trachea indicating strangulation, gun shot wounds, etc.), inconclusive results, or no foul play – suggesting he perhaps wandered off and succumbed to the cold Iowa winter elements.
Maybe their holding off on releasing any information to not compromise the investigation but it sure seems like the case is very, very cold.
I worked with Lana from time to time for Trison Corp as a maintenance tech/heating-cooling & plumbing tech, I worked the West Desmoines properties, Lana was a very nice lady to work with. If you slacked off on your job then she had no problem letting you know, this came from a couple of her maintenance techs that worked there then but I vehemently disagreed, she was always pleasant to me, her techs were lazy to a point, thus myself & another tech were called there to help out from time to time. Her husband Tom was very kind also & was like the vice president I beleive at the time, very nice people, we were sick to our stomachs as the news spread that day from property to property. Great family! Not sure if there was ever a connection but the other tech I worked with every day was Raymond Countryman, he is the maintenance super at 3000 grand who murdered the Milotech (sp?) elderly sisters there. That happened after leaving the property we worked at together for Trison. He had stolen a large tractor from there for mowing, he had been in prison prior to that, he was also on meth as we come to find out later. The building he lived in also “just” happened to burn to the ground even before that, he received a insurance settlement from that also. Ray was a small man but violent as the murders of the 2 sisters showed, he & his wife were sentenced to 2 life terms, he kept the bodies there for some time behind a false wall in that case, it was violent. I remember once that he came back from landmark south apartments after being told to report there to help the other techs, he came back ranting & raving about Lana being a “b” to him, he said he couldn’t stand her & would never work that property again, that they could fire him, he didn’t care. He was always in need of quick money, I’m not sure why because Trison Corp paid us very well but found out after the murders it was likely due to his meth use. Many residents would state that he creeped them out. I’d put my money on Ray for Lana’s murder, I really would. As I said Tom, Lana & the kids were very nice & always was kind to me & other techs, landmark was a very large property & it was a tough property but Lana was turning the place around for the good. I miss those days as it seemed all who worked for Trison were great people & seemed like family. I weeped for 2 days for this family & still think of them often. Tom, if you or the kids read this I pray all has been good for you folks, I felt horrible for you guys, &Lana was a pro, I admired how she was turning that rough property, rough properties such as landmark south are very, very tough to get under control, I admired her work ethic & intelligence & commitment. She was a great lady, R.I.P. my friend & co-worker😪
Rick, I wonder if the police ever interviewed you. Since you and the other repairman worked there and had contact with Lana.
Plus the fact you point to a fellow repairman as a possible suspect, because of his anger at Lana, his apparent drug use, and his conviction on the murders.
I wonder if the police ever had any of the forensic evidence retested. The murder weapon, was supposedly stolen, a few days before his murder. But, I assume the police have not released the name of the person, who had the weapon originally.
Plus, was anything else stolen,besides the weapon. Also, the original witnesses should be less afraid after the passing of over 30 some years.
I assume he was born in Sioux City, but lived in California. In fact he is buried there. There is no mention of how long he loved in California. I wonder if there was a reason he came back
I was reading the following story: Forgotten Wisconsin Cold Cases; Christopher Revek – Deadly Connections. Although deceased, he is connected to the disappearance and murder of two women, one in Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin and another one in Missouri, where he worked as a paramedic
There appears to be sexual connection to his murders and authorities believe that there may be more victims. He killed himself while in custody for the Missouri murder.
Well, the article seems to suggest that he might be connected to Jodi’s disappearance. Since they don’t know where he went after graduating from high school in Wisconsin Rapids.
They did not provide any date or year of birth, but he may have been about 36 when he died.
So, another person to look at. His former wife helped him dispose of the body of the Missouri victim. She claims she was afraid of him
She supposedly has remarried and moved to an unknown location.
If they tie him to any other cases, he will be considered a serial killer. I have no opinion. But they referenced Jodi, I had to share the information.
That was a good read – including the links embedded in the articles.
A vague, speculative reference to Crystal Aarensdorf – based on the MO and evidently the Wood County WI authorities have been in touch with the Dubuque PD – so maybe there is something there.
I agree Crystal seems to fit a pattern in regards to Deirdre Harm in Wood County, Wisconsin. Both victims were either bar hoping and were 20 and 21 years old. However Rene Williams, was 36 years old, and was a bar tender, and closing up the place.
However, the time frame, may fit a pattern. The problem, is finding a record placing Christopher in Dubuque. His ex-wife should be brought in for questioning.
I think, she might know more then she has said so far. Plus we need a full background check on Christopher. All the training, and where he might have vacationed.
Yea, from I heard from a Deputy I contacted earlier this yr is they know who did it but didn’t have the truck. I forgot to question then as to why they went after Brown when it was one the Boys who’s Dad just passed away recently. If that truck is still around, they are about to have a major estate auction tomorrow I believe. I’d love nothing more then if they showed up and hauled every single one of those vehicles in for forensics testing even after all these yrs. He’s gotten away with it for 22 yrs.
As usual, there is no mentioned of the possible caliber of firearm used. His wife supposedly found his body by his truck Monday morning. However, there is no time frame mentioned about when he was last seen alive and found dead.
I would assume the bullet that killed him, came from the Elk Creek Marsh, but it appears that was not confirmed. The county may have not had the ability to determine that with any accuracy.
It would be more helpful to sort with a map that you can filter by neighborhood (i.e. River Bend, Oak Park, etc.), year, street, age of victim, and other things. The homicide that happened in my apartment at 712 E. 7th St. is not listed. I know that was not solved. A woman was killed in my old apartment. I know that, because the apartment manager at the time said no one had lived there in 6 years because of it. I was the first to live there after it happened. I moved in December of 2003. I still don’t know her name.
I noticed there is no mention if there any signs of forced entry into his apartment. Also, no mention what type of weapon may have been used, in the attack.
I would guess that it might have been related to his drug trafficking.
Year after year, I come here to check on any updates. Still a huge void in our life not knowing who murdered my uncle. Hope there is still hope. Somewhere in this world.
Patty’s mother just died. In her obit it stated that she and her former husband owned Veach Fish Market in eastern part of downtown Des Moines (now called the East Village) Patty’s mother worked at their market which was near Bernie’s Italian Deli, owned by Bernard Grandanette whose first wife was murdered (unsolved) in a mob style hit in Windsor Heights, IA in 1958. This same man was listed as Etta’s (Patty’s mother) companion of 27 years, he died in 2006.
Was the wife ever looked into? He was fooling around on her after all. Whose to say she didn’t know,. The article doesn’t mention her until the obituary. Having a wife at home would be pretty good incentive for Mrs Carley to go anywhere else to call the police.
Has anyone noticed that where Geraldine lived, Maureen Farley lived/worked, and where Maureen’s killer(George smith) lived is all in the same area and within 5 years. Both young women dumped in ravines. All lived around that area on first ave. Coralville res, where she was found is just a short distancee from Ely road. I might be reaching but very similar.
I’m truly so sorry for the tragedies you’ve had to endure. I shouldn’t say that I understand your drive now, but I do see what has driven you. And I commend you so much. Your family has suffered some very big untimely and unfair loss. That is a feeling I am all too familiar with. I’m honestly in awe of you and your work. I really wish I had done something as amazing with my grief. Thank you for sharing your story. 💜
It would be interesting to compare DNA between these two babies at the very least. They were killed similarly, close in time, and in the same area. They could be siblings. It would take a special kind of monster to do this not once, but twice.
Back in the 50’s this may have been a woman married to an abusive man and unable to leave. If he killed these babies, she wouldn’t have had much say in the matter.
I’m stunned to hear myself say this. But I think it’s perfectly possible that the husband was not involved. At least no more than he could have been.
He was clearly running around with an unsavory bunch. He could have been the target for just a little “talking to”. She could have been collateral damage.
Also, people often don’t remember specific details during a traumatic event. She could have simply jumped back and he could have perceived her as turning.
I know nothing more of this case, so I could be way off the mark. But unless if I’m missing something, there is not near enough evidence to know for sure enough to insist it was the husband.
I can’t help but think of a slew of cases in which the husband is wrongly imprisoned; on trial for having bad friends or being bad husbands, but being sent to jail for murder. That’s a dangerous jump to make.
Yellowbag, may have have dropped an interesting tidbit in his September 26, 2022 comment. He mentioned the guy was wearing an orange and blue reflective jacket. Now, we need to think who would normally be wearing that type of jacket. One thought might be someone who works as maybe ground crew at an airport, maybe loading luggage into a plane, etc.
Also, he talked with an accent that seems the guy was from out East.I am originally from New York City, from many years ago. But don’t seem to have an accent from there. However, while in the Navy, was stationed in New Hampshire, and Connecticut
So maybe Yellowbag can expand upon the accent part. Would it have been someone from New England area, or further south.
I have always thought the jacket is the key to figuring out who the Fairmont man was/is. It could have been a paramedic jacket (which is what I thought at the time), or someone who worked at the airport or Air Guard. It was unusual in the 80s to see someone wearing a heavy blue and orange reflective coat at night. The guy was wired and aggressive at 6 AM, so I assume he was getting off work and not going to work. It was snowing heavily, so it is also possible the man was wearing the jacket while removing snow someplace.
I saw the man for less than a minute, 42 years ago, but I do not think he resembled the Gacy associate from Chicago, or the sketch of the man seen at 42nd and Ashworth when Johnny was kidnapped. When he said “with you,” it sounded like “wit-chew.” I think that is pretty common from New England to Virginia, so I am not sure how much that narrows things down. If the guy who tried to kidnap me is the same guy who kidnapped Johnny (the car is exactly the same), then he must have been around the DM area for at least a 7 month period (March through September, 1982).
Yellowbag, I was also thinking along the lines of someone getting off work. I threw out the idea of working at an airport, was a guess. But the reflective jacket would be required for someone who worked outside at night, and needed a jacket that that would be seen, especially at night.
I was hoping that the colors would trigger a memory of someone who worked a certainly job. The other thought was someone who served in the military, that might have been in the military, and was from the East Coast, and decided to stay with in the area.
Yellowbag, you mention a an associate of John Wayne Gacy. The Chicago Tribune on May 16, 1977, wrote about John David Norman, who ran a nationwide homosexual ring, headquartered in Chicago, known as the Delta Ring.
His assistant was an individual identified as Phillip R. Paske (25), at the time. Paske, worked for the City of Chicago. I seem to think he worked for the Chicago Park District.
There is a reference to a Michael J. Rossi, as an employee of Gacy’s Construction Company, however they don’t provide any more information on him.
Norman, had 30,000 index cards with names of pedophiles who paid for sex with young boys, and their preferences.
The index cards mysteriously disappeared. They were discovered by Dallas Police.
I wondered in anyone can connect Paske, who was born in 1953, Norman, or Rossi to Iowa.
Yellow Bag, I was writing up a case file of sorts on my computer on Johnny’s case. In regards to the reflective jacket.
In my former profession, we purchased certain uniform items like shirts, pants, uniform belts, handcuffs, holsters, shoes, jackets etc.
Many law enforcement agencies, firefighter, security guards, postal employees, municipal bus drivers, would go to certain uniform shops in Chicago or their suburbs.
Also, there was a place in Kentucky, that carried all kinds of stuff for law enforcement, firefighters, etc. I remember paying through their catalog, and ordering something for one of our government agency vehicles.
In your case, orange was one of the most bright colors around. In this day ang age there are more options, such as lime green or bright yellow. It appears they most used item are the reflective vests.
So, someone might check uniform shops in the area, that might seem to remember carrying that type of jacket in their stock.
But if it had been a paramedic or security guard, There would be something on the jacket to further identify their profession hopefully.
I wish I could remember if there was any kind of emblem on the coat, but I cannot. I think the coat was primarily blue, with orange stripes and outlines.
When I was talking to the man, he kept looking in his rear-view mirror. I took off running at the point I felt like he was about to jump out and grab me. I remember being surprised he drove off in a hurry instead of running after me. So, I am sure the man was coming home from work at 6 AM, not going to work. Why would someone try to kidnap a kid on the way TO work?
Yellow Bag, I was not putting any pressure on you. I was just adding something that came to mind in regards to the jacket.
I sort of putting out stuff that comes to mind, that might get some people thinking, or trigger a memory.
It could be someone knowing someone wearing a similar jacket.
Quite often in cold cases, it’s the little things that an investigator might stumble upon, and it triggers something to look at.
There have been offenders identified through DNA 🧬 n cold cases, that were never on law enforcement radar screen of sorts.
I have more information on Dennis Rhomberg. At age 43, slightly under 2 months after Crystal dissapeared, Dennis (kidnapper and rapist, who grew up in the area from where Crystal was taken, and who at one point lived just a few blocks down the street from Knickers) died, after falling or jumping from a bridge in rural East Dubuque.
Given Dennis’s prior kidnapping and rape history from downtown Dubuque, his cousin Randy’s abduction, participation in the gang rape of, and murder of Jodi Bausman (one of Randy’s roommates and participation in the Bausman attack was Craig Otterbeck, who we now know to be a serial rapist and probable serial killer, given his murder of Thomasina Dunavant and participation in the murder of Jodi Bausman), Dennis’s cousin Sean Rhomberg’s high level of psychopathy as evidenced by his conduct including his murder of the elderly woman, and what one might wonder is possible genetic psychopathy running through that family, maybe one should be looking at where Dennis was the night Jodi disappeared. Did he commit suicide by jumping off that bridge?
Again, this is just one possibility among many. I used to own a couple rentals very close to Knickers Saloon and have had interactions in that capacity (and some in my professional capacity) with a number of the local psychopaths.
In 1965, Leonard J Oswald, formerly of 2561 Jackson St, Dubuque, forced his way into a Dubuque woman’s house at gunpoint and violently raped her. He grew up 4.5 blocks from Knickers saloon and this would have been within the zone of comfort that most criminals operate. Oswald is alive and well. He was discharged from Anamosa in 1969 for this violent rape. According to online records, he was living in Dubuque at the time of Crystal’s disappearance. He is just one of many violent sex offenders on the loose with ties to not only Dubuque, but in fact to the very neighborhood where Crystal was taken from.
I continue to comb through old Dubuque Telegraph Herald articles for possible perps.
In 1966, the following Dubuque men were found guilty of kidnapping a woman who was walking down the street, so that one of them could rape her (he told her this in the car). She managed to escape: Ronald J Wallace, Sidney Wallace, James L Lucy, and Richard Dunwoody. All were convicted of kidnapping her. Sidney continues to reside at 1538 Central Ave, just a few blocks from where Crystal disappeared. Sure the Peacocks names are well known, but think of all of the other Dubuque men with violent sexual assaultive history who were and are free men but whose convictions pre-date DNA testing, the Sex Offender Registry, computerized arrest and conviction records, etc.
Was there any ever update on the jaw bone found in the Iowa River? Also do we know what relative she was last seen with and why she was even placed in the nursing home in the first place? This lady deserves to have her story told, but theres just so many holes and so much thats not provided.
I commented yesterday about how Crystal went missing from a bar just a couple doors down from where Jodi Bausmann had been abducted by Randy Rhomberg, Greg Otterbeck, and Michael Shaffer.
Anyway, Randy’s cousin, Dennis Rhomberg, was also an abductor and rapist, as it turns out. Dennis had picked up a girl who was hitchhiking in 1977, drove her out into the countryside, and violently raped her.
Dennis was alive and well, and living in Dubuque, at the time Crystal went missing.
I’ve been going through old newspapers to ascertain the names of other historical Dubuque rapists and/or kidnappers who had convictions before the days of mandatory DNA testing for felons, before the days of the sex offender registry, and before computerized records were kept.
Here are various Dubuque and Dubuque-area gang rapists: Michael Betts, Timothy Murphy, Ricky Shannon, Joseph Huber, Joseph Matthess, Lenny Creger, Bernard Kalvelage, George Petersen, Kevin McDonald, Randall Reiger, Charles Breitbach, Douglas Fiedler, Steven M Becker, Michael E Glans, William Camp, Winston Blackmon, Herbert G Witt III, and Charles Lewis are Dubuque and Dubuque-area gang rapists from the 70’s.
Those who were violent solo rapists from Dubuque and the greater Dubuque area from the 70’s include Raymond Rowell, Thomas J Weidenbach, Gary Shepard, William R Heitz, Gregory Lund, Carl Cox, Gene E Dryer, Michael W Fries, Daryl E Brooks, Steven R Gill, and Larry Damm.
And I’m only part-way through reviewing these old records.
Yeah, the Peacocks might be good for it, but there are so many others that might be quiet and older and under the radar.
Dubuque can be a pretty dangerous city, and the area she went missing from has a lot of crime. This is not relevant, but just a historical fact. Jodi Bausman was taken by Randy Rhomberg, Michael Shaffer, and Gregory Otterbeck from Kelly’s Cove which was at 2126 Central, on the same block from where Crystal Arensdorf went missing. I used to own a couple rentals in the 1700 block of Washington, which was 7 blocks from there, and it was not a safe area.
I found an article in an internet archive, plus some Deans List publications. He was an honors student at the Iowa Western Community College for three semesters in a row. Then he didn’t show up to visit his family in New York for Thanksgiving. When law enforcement checked it out, they found his apartment door unlocked, his car in the parking lot, and his wallet, car keys, and book bag in the apartment. What a terrible tragedy this, and all other cases like it, are.
As Dennis’ niece, I would love to see his case be solved. My grandparents went to their graves not knowing what happened to their son and my dad (his half brother) is now 90 so I would like to see it solved in his lifetime. Wonder if there is a way to get my hands on the case file?? I always felt it made no sense for the police to think Mary had anything to do with it with her two children in the house all weekend with no food or water in 100+ degree temps in July. Time to rethink this whole thing and come at it with clear vision.
Should say Fayette County Iowa. The portable brain spelled wrong by assumption.
Additionally, the law enforcement is a reflection of the community they serve.
If citizens refuse to testify, try everything to get out of jury duty, and blindly approve of judges on a ballot, or leave the judges vote blank, you have the system you deserve.
I guess my mother’s case wasn’t never reviewed or there was no time for anyone to contact me back Jodi I had left you a message at the top of the page quite some time back, also never received a phone call back from the detectives I would like to meet with and have this case reworked with fresh eyes new detectives my mother was abused on her autopsy report that should be more than enough evidence that he beat her up prior to killing her, she had a bite mark on her lip on the outside bruises on her face black eye and they stated she had bite marks on her tongue from being strangled how do you bite your tongue at the same time you get a bite mark on the outside of your lip he’s already bit her lip off once completely off.
Alisia I’m so frustrated reading about your mamas case that I cannot even fathom how you feel. Why is there 0 drive or urgency to lock him up till he rots? I want to suggest for you to reach out to a few people who run you tube channels dedicated to unsolved true crime. It would maybe help not only to spread awareness but to put some pressure and accountability on the LE you’ve had to deal with. And their inadequacies. I will send a few names/channels that take their work and research very seriously and you can submit the case to them. I will too (squeaky wheel theory). I’ve had about 5 channels cover the my friends missing person case. Anything helps! This is absolutely solvable I feel.
Please do send me the information for YouTube or documentary interested on cold case solving, I would be interested in pushing someone to say something come forward there is reward money from crime stoppers in Des Moines for her case.
35 yrs. A LEO. Retired. In every major crime consider “cui bono” who stands to gain.
As to evidence, look for things that are at the scene that should not be there, and look for things that should be at the scene, but are not.
People who commit this type of crime are NOT sick, they are EVIL. The local Priests should be asked anyone confesses to this. Yes, I know, sworn to secrecy, but a yes or no answer is not divulging details.
He would be a person of interest in Kenny’s case. However, all his other alleged victims are all alive, it is assumed.
Plus, the authorities would have to place in to have come in contact with Kenny. Did he work at the school, Would his duties as a priest require him to provide any religious services at the school or at Hillcrest.
Also, was the school or Hillcrest located close to the church where he was assigned. Otherwise, how would he come in contact with Kenny.
I would assume his victims most likely were children at the church where he was assigned.
Crystal was in my class in the early 90s. I remember that they lived in a rural run down house that caught fire and they remained there. Her and her brother smelled of smoke for days. She rode my bus route. I was at a Burger King a few years after graduation and saw a missing person picture there.
I think that he bears a striking resemblance to the circumstances and the physical characteristics of Marion county John Doe from Florida. John Doe was the victim of being hit by a vehicle. The accident occurred November of 1990 in Marion county Florida.
A long shot but maybe they could use Mvac to retrive any dna from his register bag. The abductor likely discarded it. Might even have used it to strangle Eugene.
Nobody brings up the kidnapping from starlight village, Rebecca / her daughter, how they cover it up, use are town as a plot, landfill of death..BS, how long term residents are treated, for safety. Solve these cold cases, what are they scared of?????
just adding stuff. The car that left the area we thought we heard a girl murdered had unfamiliar tail lights and longer trunk at the time. but I matched them to a 78 Chrysler Newport decades later. when the car stopped for a bit in Gitchie, we were discussing what had happened. and the discussion was pointing that it could be law enforcement. I was sceptic the Law Enforcement could do such a thing. So I was focused on the car and didn’t see and sign of a law enforcement logo on the side of the car. I also watch for lights on the roof and definitely there was no light on the roof of the car. I remember as were were watching the car, I was looking around to make sure nobody was walking up on us. Dean said he saw someone outside the car. but we decided it was nothing because no doors had opened because that would turn the car interior lights on. they though it looked like someone had walked past one of the rear tail lights. and we decided it was nothing. At that time we didn’t realize that there was a truck parked near that spot. For decades I could not figure out how the guys in the truck would have had time to run back to the spot the girl would have been killed. it never seem possible for them to go back after they left gitchie. the car stopped in the area of the truck but no doors or trunk opened. but I had forgot about the part where they thought someone passed by the tail light. but the evidence from the cold case says that she had a rope around her and she was drug at some point. It seems totally possible that when we were driving up on the truck that one of the guys from the truck could have just drug her body behind the truck. they could have untied her from the rear bumper or the passenger in the car could have held the rope thru the window. it would explain how we might have seen a guy walk past the rear tail light and the transfer of the girls body to the truck.
Something else. I’ve always remembered the plate as 9803ME. But there’s a memory of when we had decided to follow the truck to get the plate number. we were going to each get a part of the plate. I was going to get the last digits. which was 03 not ME. 9803 is primary and ME was secondary. I continually said 9803 in my head and added ME Later. So I think its ME9803 because I thought that the ME was less important. I repeated 9803 a half dozen times then added ME. then repeated it to myself. when I looked up ME9803 it went to a 2007 Harley motorcycle. I looked up 9804 and 9805 and it no motorcycles showed up. you’d think motorcycle plates would be in sequence. South Dakota had a way of reusing your old plates on new vehicles. so I was wondering if someone had the plate reregistered to a different vehicle since the plate number was documented as the plate of the truck that left Gitchie that night and was on the road where Wilma was found months later.
There seems to be many cold cases, or suspicious deaths in Iowa. Thinking about Truck driver David Schultz where his truck was found in Sac County. According to what I been hearing on headline news, that when David went missing in November 2023 his truck was pulled over on side of road. David’s wallet, credit/debit cards, money, and phone were still in the truck Untouched. David “jacket, coat?” Was outside his truck on the ground. And, if I remember correctly either the local county Authorities did a super wide search around surrounding open areas. Due to Fields being down at the time they should have found David. Though, they not until later. Not sure like I said if finally a search team found David Not far from where his Semi was at All. And, they “the coroner” says David died of natural causes. Then I read today that meth was in his system. Though, during first autopsy this was not revealed. I am not sure if The deceased did drugs like that??? This leaves many questions for Authorities! Why would David get out of his truck , take his coat off, and walk a ways only to succumb to hypothermia??? It just does not make sense. If I am correct David’s wife asked for a second autopsy. After seeing all the cold cases going way back from 50’s to now. This is unreal. The two cousins, ages 8, and 10ths young in 2012 were found about 20 miles from where David was found. Thinking did someone pull David over??? And, then he exited the truck, and then only God knows what after that. Sounds like Iowa might need a bit more cold case investigators on all these cases?
The meth was found on the first autopsy during toxicology tests. He wasn’t found right away because there was enough stubble in the field to hide the body, plus they apparently only walked the fence lines when searching instead of actually going into the fields. At the time of his disappearance, he’d been working for 30 hours straight without any sleep, so he took the meth to give him enough of a boost to get the pigs hauled. Meth can really mess up your system. It made him have a medical emergency (overheated/racing heart), so he got out of the truck to walk it off and went into the field where he was found. He didn’t call for help because he was probably afraid of getting busted and losing his license.
The field where he was at is not 20 miles from where Lyric and Elizabeth were found. There’s almost 200 miles (give or take) between the locations. He was found in Sac County, they were found in Bremer County.
It was probably Big brother/ little brother whichever James Altman. He seems to get away with murdering and assaulting woman in cold blood! I BET HIS ASS!
I know who killed Rhonda Knutson. I am absolutely 100% certain. I know him personally. Will someone please listen to me. 319-269-8830. I have known for 32 years.
It would have been nice if Mr. Dill’s daughter provided more details about school reunion. Was this a school reunion that Audrey attended, or a reunion for the guy she was with. Also, the name of the nightclub would have been nice. She mentions a picture, but who has the picture, and a statement from the bouncer.
Plus she does not provide any details on when she supposedly fled to Texas. I assume this Stan, has been cleared of his possible involvement in her disappearance. I like to quote Sgt Joe Friday, in regards to the facts.
Also the results of polygraph exams are not allowed in court as they are not reliable. I had one many years ago, when applying for a job. The examiner seemed to think I had a thing for fires. Yet, I don’t smoke and don’t play with matches.
I even use electronic lighters to light the candles at church and the same with the incense charcoals for funerals.
In many missing person cases, we sometimes hear or read that the missing person was seen somewhere else, but it wasn’t confirmed. Was this appearance at the nightclub confirmed by law enforcement.
It would be nice, if this deceased woman in South Carolina could be exhumed and DNA to properly identify her. It would give her a name and confirm or deny she is this missing woman.
Buzz Anderson? He spent Christmases with Heather and Drew and was CONVICTED of kidnapping a girl the same age and raping her repeatedly in the 80s. He even gave Heather and Drew a gold Camaro to drive during all those parades and motorcycle events they organized….. Someone posted this on Reddit. I’ve never heard this story.
Not sure if anyone posted this yet, but there’s a new docuseries out about the Evansdale case (link is to story on KWWL website): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNR9IuTe-28
I watched it. I still want to know why the FBI won’t tell us how they excluded Klunder? Like they say they have several reasons why it’s not him, but won’t say exactly why.
I remember Iowa investigators said something at one point that Klunder was ruled out as a suspect because of GPS/cell phone ping data that didn’t put him anywhere near the area along with eye witnesses verifying his whereabouts. Have to keep in mind they were under no obligation to publicly rule him out and did so anyway.
A couple thoughts/questions..
1. I saw on Facebook that Iowa cold cases said (in 2016) they thought they knew what caused the marks on Kim’s body and what connected her case to Craig’s, was this ever posted to the public?
2. In terms of the house fire that took the lives of the Loose brothers and parents, did they ever release anything on the padlocks that were on the doors? I wondered if they were installed by the parents to make sure the brothers didn’t run away and/or get hurt.
3. With the amount of people that seemed to come forward witnessing things that night, I’m surprised no one saw what happened? I also have to think there has got to be rumors, do they warrant any truth?
4. I’m also very curious about Kevin and Jeff, were they in and out of trouble after this? Did they stay friends? I was able to find a picture of Kevin, but never found any of Jeff…
I am a niece of Miles Dougherty, I was 10 when he disappeared. It literally broke all of our hearts. He was my very favorite person. My parents at the time had us 5 girls & he would often just stop by & bring us candy. He babysat for us as well. He had the most gentle heart & loved us dearly. He adored his family and would never have left on his own. My Father, Tom Fennell worked as a reporter for the Journal & tried everything to find him, I remember him being so frustrated that the police department would not drag the river. He left a lasting legacy of bravery and courage. I still miss him & just pray someday……… Mo Shepherd
Hello I wasn’t born yet when this happened but my grandfather was in the towns law enforcment at the time and went to the scene. He shared that he as well thought it was by law enforcement. The cop reported his duty baton missing even. If someone could find that it would have been solved. I grew up hearing details of the crime scene and it was horrible. My grandpa still to this day can’t believe how brutal the scene was. I hope justice is served for Rhonda.
From the Des Moines Register: “Harland Shuey was stabbed in his home. He called 911 twice to report his injuries but was apparently hard to understand. Officers found him conscious in the dining room with a trail of blood throughout the house. There was no forced entry, and he had no known enemies.”
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The two year gap could also be him holding them captive until he killed them? There are kidnappers and pedophiles who do have their time with them before “getting rid of them”. Think for a minute. The boys were between 12-14, around when some start hitting puberty, so he could have held them for 2 years and they just got to be “too old”.
Does it seem a bit suspicious that Steve’s Girlfriend (Paula Shimek) married another guy (Mark Wilson) less then a month (Feb 26, 1978) after he was reported missing (Feb 5, 1978)? There seems to be some obvious motives there and I wonder if investigators ever followed that lead.
The earliest newspaper reports state the coroner’s estimated date of death for Lois Bradley as Thursday, June 27, 1991. Neighbors reported an odor in the hallways that following Saturday. When interviewed, neighbors said Lois would leave her door unlocked or open in the hopes of talking to neighbors as they walked in the hallway. Her aunt said she struggled with living alone and had moved into the apartment when she was no longer able to keep up with her childhood home. Hopefully someone knows something.
It’s bewildering to think that this couple actually found their own grandchild. It’s difficult for me to imagine that they had no idea their son or son’s gf placed the baby in their barn. They admit their son was the last to go to bed that night and that their dog had been barking. Did the gf drop the baby off on their property or did their son place the bag with their grandchild in their barn? Extremely sad.
It’s odd after all these years I found this.
James (Jimmy) was my half brother. He lived with us for a time in C.R. on Mt Vernon Rd. I was around 12 or 13 when it happened. Jimmy was mentally disabled, he could dress and feed himself, I’m not sure if he was capable of cooking but he couldn’t get a drivers license. Mostly he wasn’t able to live alone.
My dad had gone and brought him to the house on Mt Vernon Rd for Thanksgiving just before it happened. I remember that his face was very swollen with at least one black eye, he was somewhat unrecognizable. He told us that he’d fallen down some stairs. I don’t know if my dad inquired further into why my brother looked the way he did, but what ever was going on was going on for a while.
I don’t know what the relationship was between my brother and the Huelsenbecks but he was obviously a person that needed taken care of or at least looked after. Obviously non of these things were happening. I’m not a Dr but I’m sure a persons face doesn’t become swollen to nearly unrecognizable condition from falling down, even if it stairs.
For sure an interesting detail that he was mentally disabled. How easy was he bullied or manipulated into saying things that weren’t true by someone else in a position of power over him?
I have info for Steve Ridge
Regarding Jodi. If you can get him
To call me ASAP. I tried very hard to pass on my info and
Nothing happened. No one called for all these years.
Steve Ridge should call me anytime is OK.
My phone number is 334-598-1553.
Or mhrosier@yahoo.com. I will talk to
Him if he is truly interested in a new lead.
Thank you.
Mary Rosier
Daleville, AL
Former Minnesotan!
100 agree with Illinois findings, Casey’s on south 22nd in Fort dodge has Billy Davis wearing the clothes that was seen in the woods at fiinny park, as a white man / black man, were seen with a knife a man sitting g in a dark chairing the woods, as a older red white / silver truck that was seen recently at kwik star on 5th Ave awhile, talking to a long black hair female, , couldn’t see who was driving, Ms. Napier as her life is a hotel living, etc.. Cops have turned their badges upside down to the community/ not stopping the drug traffickers. Kathy hepp breaking into Gowrie medical clinic, Billy being tight with the black community. At a young age drugs relation. The retaliation from these people MAKE COLD CASES.
Way more details in that article than the family usually shares . Interesting that the Verizon store he was last spotted at was on the other side of town from the ASAC location he was dropped off at. The Verizon store was the 1100 Blairs Ferry Rd. NE location. He would have needed to be traveling with someone and you can see he seems to be entering the Verizon store with another person. What was the business he was handling at Verizon? Who was the person he was traveling with? Where was his last cell phone ping?
I just realized that up until that article things always says he was last spotted on security cameras a US Cellular Building, but it was really a Verizon store.
MikeD, some of the earlier news reports on Josh’s disappearance cited the security cameras at a US Cellular building. That has since been corrected to reflect surveillance video from the Verizon store at 1100 Blairs Ferry Rd NE in Cedar Rapids. Thank you for writing.
Haeeee grandma I love you an I miss you more than you would ever know , I am now 19 an I’m still in disbelief an distress about that day ,I would have never known that , that day was going to be the last day I saw you ! I never knew I was going to lose you so soon hell I didn’t even have in mind you ever leaving me everyday I wonder what life would be like if you was here cause I know good an god darn well I wouldn’t be who I am today I would someone so much better . That day still hunts me down cause I feel I could have saved you I could have ran out the store and held you down till the police came but I was so young and so clueless I didn’t know what to do some days I blame myself because I know I could have saved you but I was an a daze that day I was so lost so confused so hurt lied too everything ! So many people kept telling me it wasn’t you but the entire time it was you ! I knew something was up because you didn’t come in the store right away ! I life hasn’t been the best w/o you man out family is literally fucked up my mom man she drives me crazy an I just ask for you help an your guidance because I literally losing myself day by day I hope you hear me an know that I am so sorry an I should’ve saved you ! I always think your mad at me cause you don’t visit me n my dreams or just let me know your near I think about you all the time an I think about how much we neeed you ! Me an my siblings literally need you the most ! Idk I’m trying to get a good grip on life but this shit is hard after you left grandma it’s been pure hell there’s been happy moments but the bad out do the happy moments n my life I swear ! I really don’t be knowing what to do in life but cry an I’m getting so tired of it I wish I could just bring you back right now today ! Oh god 7 long years of nothing but pain grandma I don’t been through so much an only you would know I done seen things I shouldn’t have seen I done been in things I shouldn’t have been I always wondered when it was gone get better grandpa he’s still holding on I wonder how he dose it but he dose it I feel bad for him every day cause our talk about you ! He just says every time you was his dawg an you really was ! You had his front an he had your back ! I just hope you keep him together he’s all we got an I just ain’t ready for him to leave I just can’t manage life w/o both grandparents I get in here everyday an just wonder when will justice come but it wouldn’t even feel overly good cause we don’t have you back but I guess it’ll be some kinda peace for the family hell it won’t be any for me I want blood but god gots it All I know he do but I’m going to wrap this up I love you more than life its self you was my mother fr ! I just ask that you keep guiding meee an leading me down the path you would have raised me to be on I love you so much an I hope you getting the rest you deserve I wish shit ain’t ever have to be like this but I guess everything happpens for a reason but deep down inside I’ll never understand this one but keep watching over the family we love and miss you more than you would ever know can’t wait to catch up on all the things you know an seen me done lol cause your girl done did slot out here man wish I could go back in time an change a lot of shit cause the knowledge I have known would have definitely been needed for back n the day ! But yeah I love you so much
Has anyone looked into Kenneth C Scholz? He killed my uncle in 1951 when he was 13 and Kenneth was 17 or 18. Kenneth went to jail, got out a few years later and then relocated to Des Moines. His picture matches the composite. He died in Urbandale, IA in 2004
Kenneth Carl Scholz
DOB 4/13/33
From Crete, IL where he killed my Uncle, Billy Rodenburg 1/17/1951.
Some people who are very charismatic who seem normal live right next to parks for a reason. My antisocial (sociopathic) biological father would watch for kids across the street in the local park and wait for the perfect opportunity to use a childhood photo of me to get them to run to a specific location nearby using a non-suspicious, consistent method. The location would have had everything he needed that someone else was responsible for placing in that location—He was opportunistic in that regard. The criminal behavior escalated to violence or something more serious when there was greater opportunity for it. It might not necessarily be the case in that regard that this would be a serial offender as other factors of the profile I’m proposing might indicate to an expert.
Considering this as a similar scenario, the killer could be nearby and the profile given could be a bit off. The antisocial characteristics in this circumstance would be greater. Again, an antisocial opportunist would have identified that this individual had a disability/was naive and vulnerable. The interpersonal skills in this scenario would actually be highly evolved. Trouble “coping” with the murder would look more like “I got away with it.” Check the neighborhood for individuals, an older male, living in the neighborhood. In this case, he might be responsible in day-to-day life, but might have also displayed tendencies reflecting anger or emotional volatility and immaturity. He would have wanted to do what he did. He would have liked it. And he would have liked getting away with it. He might have been a lonely loner, too, but I think the opportunistic aspects have been overlooked in some capacity. I’d check the neighborhood again and look for public opinion to determine the presence of aggression and biased mindsets.
“In 1988, Steven Conlon, with the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation (DCI), profiled the killer and speculated he was a loner who had poor interpersonal relationship skills and had trouble making friends. Conlon theorized that even with antisocial tendencies, the killer had difficulty coping with the murder and probably told someone.“
I heard Krystal brag about killing him drunkenly at the Red Rock in the year or two after it happened. Something about pushing him off a porch and hitting his head on the stairs. Exact details are fuzzy, but I’m certain of the main point. It stood out to me because I didn’t even know her. I think she was dancing on the bar the same night.
Why is Theresa LeAnn Rice-Jackson not listed as a cold case when her remains were found buried in Story county? She grew up in Polk county which is right beside Story county and although I read she moved to Vegas at some point before her death wouldn’t Story county be where she would be listed as a cold case? It appears her case is nowhere to be found.
I find it interesting that their is no information on whether anyone else was with him, on this weekend camping trip. Off.coursr, there was no investigation since his death was supposedly accidental.
Also, the second autopsy revealed signs of blunt force trauma. We need to have many old autopsy reviewed under the present standards.
Although, he was a high school dropout, he served in the U.S. Army. I would assume he served in Vietnam, but we have no information of when he entered the Army.
I wonder if his death, may be connected to the family of the girl, who he got pregnant.
The girl he got pregnant is my grandmother, and that last little bit of your comment is absolutely absurd, and you should really not make comments like that about things you know nothing about .
[5](4)[6] Most of this is my opinion in the instance that this was a homicide. Unless it was an accidental drug overdose, this was probably sexually motivated. She made plans with the bartender and had fought with her boyfriend, Tim Gerlieb, on the 3rd. She was 20, underage, and Robert Mootz served her anyway. He offered to share a cab with her back to East Dubuque. She agreed and made plans to do that, but was nowhere to be seen at bar close.
I would ask whether someone overheard Crystal speaking about the fight she had with her boyfriend and whether she mentioned that her friends would be leaving. A predator or predators might think and know at that point that 1) Crystal is emotionally vulnerable or feeling less enthusiastic about her relationship and 2) physically isolated.
I would ask… How drunk were David and Steven Peacock? What had their behavior been like in the past? Did they often frequent bars?
Sometimes, criminal history means nothing and a casual phrase or whisper concealed with a smile is everything. Crystal was a perfect target for a late-night assault that, to predators, might look like a late-night “snack.”
If there is no physical evidence of a scuffle or some sort of fight, then there might have been manipulation and more than one person involved. One would hold Crystal down and the other might sexually assault her. She was only 5’6” and 115 pounds. One might cover her mouth to quiet her and/or even her nose to quiet her completely, increasing the risk of accidental suffocation or perhaps intentionally causing suffocation leading to her death.
There was no evidence of an encounter in any of the vehicles involved, so I’d wonder whether someone told Crystal to meet them somewhere isolated where no one would hear or see what was to take place which would have possibly been a sexual assault. Crystal might have grown inpatient to leave and communicated this to people at which point they would have encouraged her to meet them somewhere or start walking. She might have left, drunk, to begin walking home as so many others I have known personally have done in a drunken state. The lack of footprints and DNA traces lead me to think that this is less likely, but might it be impossible to trace footprints on the sidewalks of such a heavily trafficked area?
It’s a mystery how far Crystal would have gotten had she left the bar of her own accord to walk home. A staged accidental death comes to mind. I think of a bridge, and how it might be impossible to recover a body thrown and weighed down into the Mississippi and hard to determine whether the cause of death was suffocation or death by drowning at that time (e.g., the heart stopped beating before water entered her lungs).
Law enforcement might have seen Crystal walking on camera, though I do not know whether street cameras existed back in 2001.
What we would need to know is what footage they have of Crystal and where they found her and others’ DNA.
I was the owner of the house at the time my son joey went into the burning house to find the boy his mother told my son that he was asleep in his room since we had lived there for years my soon knew wher e the bedroom was he was not there there was a landing where you could go to the right to a bedroom and left to another bedroom and straight into the bathroom the landing was on fire in front of the bathroom door and in the bathroom while his mother was drunk and at the neighbors she said the electricity went out which was a lie in my opinion she did it also my husband burned the rest of the house down so this could not ever happen again
Lillian Eileen DeMaris’ case has been closed with the Mason City PD and Namus. I have asked Iowa Cold Case to close this or at least update her file.
Unfortunately Lillian Eileen Huff Jackson DeMaris Hunter Daily passed away in 1969 in New Orleans Louisiana.
What about BTK killer? He had a fantasy of abducting a girl from a laundromat..he had a regional job for ADT home security I think? Why hasn’t he been considered?
I wish someone with the authority to look into the case… would actually do, just that … because I too, suspect BTK – as Corrine Perry’s killer…
& Really…unless someone has better evidence than the stuff I’m looking at- prove me wrong.
DCI needs to figure out if she was burried after they serched the area, and if her remains are heat tempered from a fire. Pretty sure BTK would be the bottom of the list. And that would answer my questions.
Anything is possible, but I wish they would first look into the local sheriff deputy (Jeff Moreland) who later was shown to be a repeat murderer. The local guy makes more sense to me.
I wonder if he had an illness that doesn’t show signs like fever etc. A brain tumor comes to mind and can have such effects on the person as walking out in the middle of winter without shoes and hat. Just an idea.
Hi,I’m alisana and I’m 12 years old. so from what I read , a man walking his dog found her body where other people throw there trash,it said “Just after 8 a.m. the next morning, a local resident walking his dog stumbled across Terri’s partially decomposed body in the wooded vicinity of 33rd and Pavonia Street. She lay in a thicket along an unkempt dirt road, naked except for a pair of white panties down around one ankle and white tube socks pulled slightly off her feet. She had been killed point-blank by a 20-gauge shotgun blast to the face.” as it say they think she was sexually assaulted,well just it saying that they found her with her panties and tubed sock half way off her feet, they are correct.just from reading about the man who drove her ,he was giving me a bad vibe,they found a gun shot in the dash of the car , what they should have done was take the dash apart and find the bullet and 1. see how hot it is, and 2. scan it for DNA . that is all that I got from it , I hope this helps
Richard Ball has a very lengthy history of violent crimes and is currently in Federal prison for being a pedophile. Unless he was locked up with viable witnesses to him being there, any “alibi” provided to or for him should be questioned.
DeNae, thanks for the update. I assume this is the guy who Johnita was supposed to marry. Not exactly a nice guy according to the news report that was convicted of these bike acts.
It throws him into the mix, as a person of interest in her case. Off course I don’t know his full criminal history, besides his arrest for these crimes.
But, could she have learned of his background and decided to throw him in under the bus and he took offense to it. Plus, his activities put her daughter at risk..
I seem to remember a guy somewhere in the country, who married women, to get close to their kids especially their daughters.
Plus, she was murdered on Christmas Eve, an important day. Plus a busy one for me at my church. I worked 13 masses in four days, at my church, at Christmas.
Well..probably not admissable in court but someone told me that Vince Spidle admitted that he and Gary Bethards had killed Ryan after catching him trying to steal Garys cattle again. Supposedly this was said during a hunting trip shortly before Vince died. And lets face it, Decatur county cops arent smart enough to solve a riddle, much less a murder case. So incompetent its pitiful. I know the twins mom very well, and Nikki would never harm anyone, much less the father of her children.
My heart goes out to the family, especially Tammy and those beautiful girls who were cheated of a father and for what? If theres any truth to this, my guess is justice will never be served. Around here, its nit about what you do, but who you are, and for as long as I remember theres too much money and influence in the last name for them to hold Bethards accountable.
Darrow, I already have a file on Sean Turnbull and he will be added to the site very soon. Recent lists from different counties and cities are being compiled as we speak, and there are names we wouldn’t have known about without the cooperation from these law enforcement agencies.
Thanks so much for writing, and Sean will be added shortly. Jody @ ICC
I was born and raised in that town, moved away in the early 2000s, and moved back in 2017…gone now, thank goodness we were able to sell our house. The 2 names that have been involved the most heavily in the shady drug life since the 1990s…and have been known to make things happen to people?
Marty Claussen
Joe Potter
Every law enforcement professional is aware of what they do, yet do NOTHING to stop them. Makes one wonder how deep it goes…
JUSTICE WILL NE SERVED IN GODS NAME!!!! this will forever be heavy on my heart. its a nightmare and i will never be ok. Jade you deserved so much more from this life im so sorry the ones who were supposed to protect you, failed you ao miserably. I will never every forget our childhood memories playing and being kids and i will forever cherish that i had you growing up ❤️ I love you Jade You are forever another part of me, as my sister and I will always have u in my thoughts heart and prayers. I cant process this still… No no no this didnt happen Jade is ok this isnt real 💔💔💔
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I wonder what the cops on scene really know, because I think there should’ve been some more investigating down the road a bit further. I’ve always had some theories, I think it’s time to reopen this case and get to the bottom of it!
From what I heard, the cops know who did it but they don’t have enough “evidence” to charge. I bet if it were their child they would be singing a different tune. So unfortunate.
Marianna Is my aunt it’s so sad that still today there is no justice for her. She was only 15 she wasn’t even able to experience life yet because that was taken from her.
If this gentleman was unfortunate enough to have driven into a local body of water. The family should consider hiring one of the diving teams that post their successfull finds on YouTube. These divers have given families much needed closure.
Curtis Padgett’s trial for the murder of Dennis First started today in Linn County. I’m sure Erin’s family is paying attention to it. Let’s hope that if Curtis is found guilty it results in more information or answers for Erin’s family in the future.
I would assume that since his vehicle is also missing, that most likely he and the vehicle are in a body of water in the area. Supposedly there are about 700 cases of missing persons, whose vehicles are missing
Thanks to various dive teams around the country, they are helping close out some of these cases. Vehicles have been found in a number of different t bodies of water, from lakes, rivers, streams, creeks, retention ponds
It would be interesting to determine what route he would have have driven from where he was last seen to his home. Then look for various bodies of water, along the route.
The use of a drone might be useful in flying over the route. Then using side-scanning sonar to look for possible targets.
The lack of any backpack or luggage suggests that he was either robbed, was staying with someone or had a motel room near by. My theory is that this man was likely drinking at a bar somewhere in the area and was being driven in a car by a man, woman or group of people and a disagreement ensued and he was asked to exit the vehicle. This was likely in the winter of 1985 (October to December) as his skeletal remains were found on March 31, 1986. They likely provided him with the blanket he was found with when they asked him to leave the vehicle. He may have tried to knock on the nearest farm house and either no one was home or do to the time of night they did not hear the knock and he sought shelter from the elements in the barn between the bales of hay. He then succumb to the elements and died.
She was a good friend. We always hung out and walked home together. Loved her singing a voice like an angel. In ROTC we push the rules to a point, but we had fun. I was devastated losing what I considered a close friend.
Happy Birthday Jeannie, don’t know much about you or your story but i hope your safe, heard about your case January of this year and remembered your birthday. I hope to hear about you anytime soon.
Is there any update in the case? I think about her every single day. I was born a year after she disappeared and I’m now older than her at the time she disappeared:(
Just now reading this in March of 2024 – I am a first cousin to Dennis. I’m thankful they feel they have found the rightful guilty party. Prayers of comfort again for his daughter, Lori, and for Christine❤️ 💔.
Kimberly to a good call. But I seem to remember him terrorizing his victims. The sort of M.O. , on the long haul truck driver, appears they pick up a victim at a truck stop, in one state, sexually assaulted them in another state and then dumps them in a third state.
However, Bambi was not sexually assaulted. She was found well groomed, but missing some articles of clothing. Which seems to point in another direction.
Also, according to her brother on Websleuths, Bambi attended the concert with a unidentified girlfriend, who supposedly changed her story several times.
Also Bambi, had a boyfriend. However, he lost his job, and moved with his family to Texas, prior to her disappearance. Which is suspicious, in a way.
Also, a Sherri Ann Jarvis (14), was missing from another state, and was found murdered by strangulation in Texas.
Hi, I don’t think I sent you a message, I just linked the Gazette article here to Dennis’ page. It’s part of a series the Gazette is doing about cold cases in the area. Last month the story was about Fred Coste’s murder in downtown Cedar Rapids in 1959. You might have gotten an alert to my post if you’re signed up to receive new posts or comments on the ICC site.
How can the police get a warrant for an innocent person, George Smith’s relative, to provide DNA? That seems like a clear violation of the 4th amendment.
Mr. Johnson, the police got a warrant to most likely obtain DNA, of Mr. Smith’s family. They have to submit paperwork to a judge stating why they wanted a search warrant. The basically have to show probable cause for the warrant.
This means they have to supply information that leads them to believe that Mr. Smith was connected to her murder. This information could be in the form of an eyewitness who came forward and said that he or she saw him commit the crime or heard state that he killed her for whatever reason.
It could be that they reviewed the physical evidence recovered and had it reviewed by the crime lab, and they found DNA, and they needed DNA from a family member, to double check it.
Also remember that the application for the warrant is submitted by a states, district attorney to judge who has to review and sees that it meets the standards for a search warrant.
They do this to show that they followed an established protocol in their investigation. They could have gone through the garbage,or asked the family to provide one. But they could refuse to cooperate. So, they go to a judge by filing an application for the search warrant.
It’s an extra step, but it’s nice to go through the extra step of going through the legal process.
IN my opinion, assuming that Dougherty was murdered, the perp must have been particularly COWARDLY for him (or her) to have targeted a defenseless individual with a prosthetic hand.
I knew Roger I was 11 at the time of his disappearance, His brother Gary and I talked many time after and I remember one day the suspect was pointed out to me by Gary . He wasn’t tall and black curly hair slight build. Our family and their family lived 3 blocks from each other. I think of Roger often.
I wash my hands of this filthy world. They will never clean this filthy world. I’m connected to this case somehow. And it is my believed hunch that the murders are unsolved due to it being sanctioned. It just feels that way. I’m alone in this world with nothing and no one and I know the root of all of you myself included and if the future is now? But it’s all in the past? Then time is of the peasants.!! Yours truly, Brian Force
I may be freta bostiks kid. I’m having a hell of a time and I have secret society members and authorities I do different organizations oppressing me terrorizing me and I know it is not solved because it was sanctioned. I know it in my heart. But my heart is stupid alone I. This world with nothing and no one. I wash my hands of this dirty world. Sincerely up yours everyone. It must feel good to be the center of the universe, Brian Force
Some of these need updated. Like Trey Lee. His killer wasn’t charged because he had an immunity deal but the guy admitted he shot him under oath. The prosecutors made a mistake with the forensic evidence and gave the wrong defendant the immunity deal.
(Margaret had 9 kids)How did Margaret have her last kid when she was 40, even tho she killed her husband when she was 32 …….. suspicious. AND she has 20 GRANDCHILDREN THAT’S CRAZY ?!?!?!?!?
The article says she was his wife “of 32 years,” meaning they were married for 32 years at the time he was killed–from 1868 to 1900. She wasn’t 32 at the time of his death.
A reminder another year has gone by with no answers, no real investigation, and no justice. I really hope the new Union County Sherriff will look into the the unsolved cases in his jurisdiction.
I wonder if the Creston News Advertiser
will finally agree to do a story on Ricky’s case now that Kenyon is (basically) out of office…
The Chief of the state Bureau of Criminal Investigation, Tillman Thompson said, “There is no question that this is a murder” in an article published in the Gazette. If that is a correct statement, why does the death certificate indicate the cause of death as “unknown”. Why or how could there be such a discrepancy?
Andrea, at the time, whoever conducted the autopsy most likely could not determine a cause of death, with the medical knowledge and the available forensic tools available, at the time
I am of the mindset that the autopsy results should be reviewed by more experienced medical examiners. Then if necessary, they could recommend that her remains be exhumed, for review by them and a forensic anthropologist. Hopefully, they could determine an exact cause of death.
However, in the minds of law enforcement her death most likely was caused by someone. Since the autopsy states her cause of death is undetermined, they can’t close it out, one way or the other.
I’m not sure what the autopsy report says only the death certificate. It was a doctor that signed it. It’s odd to me that detectives are saying there’s no question and the death certificate says cause of death unknown. It would be interesting to see the autopsy report.
One would think if there’s obvious neck bruising and fractures , there would be more information than cause of death unknown. Wish there was more information available about the state of her body when she was found.
I feel terrible for those who’ve wondered all these years what happened to their loved one.
Andrea, the other issue is that at the time, most communities had a coroner. A good number of these individuals most likely were undertakers and not certified medical examiners.
Again this makes me to think it would be a good idea to have a team of medical examiners to review all these cases where the cause of death going bacK 40 or more years are undetermined.
This would help law enforcement to decide whether her and many others deaths were homicides or a non-criminal deaths.
We have teams of cold case detectives reviewing cold cases. We should have teams of medical examiners to review these cases.
What’s interesting is the Smithsonian Institute in Washington has forensic anthropologist who have been reviewing bodies at the request of many agencies for many years.
Quite often they have found marks and other indications that a person was murdered.
Also, the initial investigators most likely did not have the training that a homicide investigator in many of are major cities did.
I remember two major crimes here in Chicago back in the late 1920’s. The first one was the kidnapping and murder of Bobby Franks. He was the son of a wealthy family in Chicago.
He was found dead in a rail yard on the far southeast side of Chicago, on the Indiana border. At the crime scene Chicago Police Department detectives found a pair of eyeglasses.
The eyeglasses were made by a well known company of Almer & Coe. The detectives got lucky with these glasses, they were a newer model frames. Also only three people had glasses with those frames.
It led to one of two wealthy college educated men. They were arrested and charged with murder. They were defended by Clarence Darrow, who pled them guilty to avoid the death penalty.
The other is the St. Valentines Day Massacre. A Cook County Coroners Jury was impaled. Two wealthy members of the jury brought in a Dr. Goddard. He was a U.S. Army Reserve doctor. But he worked.st a private crime lab.
He reviewed the crime scene of murder of Bugs Moran gang. He said that two Thompson submachine guns were used. One of them had a twenty round straight magazine, and the other with a fifty round drum magazine.
Dr. Goddard is considered the sort Father of Ballistics.
However we now have scientists reviewing the science behind many things that were considered a slam dunk over many years.
I believe one of his friends killed him. They obviously knew that he just sold his horse and had that money, which was a lot back then. It wasn’t the person he sold the horse to because they would’ve just stole the horse without giving him the money. Then said “friend” made up the story about him going to visit his sister. Of course it was believable because ppl trusted said “friend” word and it bought him some time before they found the body. This is just my opinion.
This is such a strange case. She’s not listed on uncovered under Iowa unsolved murders and I cant find anything about her under any other unsolved murder cases. I’ll have to check out the DM PD. I hope she truly is alive but it’s proven difficult to find anything on her. I may check out ancestry and see what I can find on there.
Anon, a good call. The other question, what is his immigration status. I assume he entered the country legally Could his visa expired and he did not want to return to wherever he came from.
So, we should have some answers from ICE. Also, the State Department Office of Diplomatic Security Service, could a resource of information. They are the Secret Service of the State Department. Plus they have regional security officers all over the world.
If anyone has any information please call the authorities. We are coming up on 10 years since my son passed and still nothing….Someone knows something.
They should exhume his body if he was buried and see if they can extract any DNA. Then, they could send it to ancestry and get some familial links, that could very easily close this case if that information is out there.
I agree. That was my first thought. There’s an 8 yo girl that is also listed as being molested/sexually assaulted prior to her death. That one could also use DNA testing.
I know who killed Bill and Kay Wood. I’ve tried numerous times to contact the Indianola police dept and the dci but noone will return my calls. I would like to get this case solved so the family can have some closure. I know if it was my family member I would. I want these criminals off the streets before they do it again. Someone please contact me Brad Greene email brdgreene@gmail.com phone 515-480-5723 call or text.
I know as well and they have done nothing. I wonder if we are talking the same people? I have spoken with DCI and haven’t heard from them in several years
This case is not closed there is still reward money available thru crime stoppers please notify if you have any information regarding this murder still unsolved, reward money available to who ever comes forward with information.
Alisia, I’m juggling about four cold case conversations right now and will follow up on Kathleen’s case when finished. Thanks for your patience. Jody @ ICC
Was this ever followed up on or just simply forgotten about not important enough I’m assuming money was just funded to help solve these cases what is going on and why is nothing being done , there is a new Cold Case unit that had money funded to solve cold cases in Iowa this one’s long overdue and they need to be reworked I have her autopsy report it states clearly on there she has bruises and had a bite mark on her lip she was abused by her boyfriend and they just let him go that’s all the evidence that they should need they can see she’s been a physically abused by the autopsy report what else more do you need to know, also sperm found wasn’t tested yet also pubic hairs were clipped I spoke with the coroner’s office regarding everything they got I would like to have a meeting with the detectives handling my mom’s case and you and your office that list this need to address that there is reward money still available and a murder case is never closed there is no statute of limitations it needs reworked this case was never worked word DNA can be retrieved from the spermatosis swabs and the hair clippings from the pubic hairs they got from her to rule her boyfriend out if it wasn’t him however I know it was him, the autopsy stated she had a bite mark on her lip how is she biting her tongue at the same time had a bite mark on the outside of her lip her boyfriend had bitten her lip off in the past before completely off and now at the autopsy report they didn’t realize that there was a bite mark on the outside of her lip she couldn’t possibly be biting her a lip and her tongue at the same time she’s being strangled could she doesn’t make any sense to me.
Interesting piece in a recent CR Gazette article about this cold case. It echoes a lot of the information contained above plus some recent developments. It’s interesting how they uncovered the daughter living in Columbus, OH to better distinguish the blood evidence for DNA testing.
It sounds like they have a probable suspect but will likely never be officially solved.
I found this on a list on a website called
THE LINEUP. Thought the peach tattoo might be significant
6. Girl with the Peach Tattoo
The body of this murdered woman was found by a hiker in a wooded section of Long Island, New York in 1997. It was missing both arms, both feet and its head. But there was one very identifiable mark: a tattoo on the left breast. It showed a heart-shaped peach with a bite taken out of it and two drops of juice.
Police published a picture of the tattoo and a tattoo artist came forward to say he remembered giving it to a young woman from the New York area. In 2016, investigators linked other skeletal remains found on Long Island to the torso with the peach tatton It is now believed she may have been an es
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victim of the Long Island Serial Killer, also remains unidentified.
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Maybe all 3 individuals were involved with her to some capacity and she had some type of dirt on them and they got rid of her together and made some type of pact? But hey what do I know I was 11 around the time she disappeared
Bambi was my cousin. Aunt Evelyn dies 5 years ago and her father dies two years ago. There HAS to be some way to solve her murder, With advancements in DNA and other Forensic development the answer IS THERE! Reopen the cold case and star again, Her remaining family has a right to know what happened and that she hasn’t been forgotten on a cold storage shelve.
I wish they would, too. I was at that concert at the Col. Quiet Riot had done album signings earlier that day at the record store at Northpark Mall. It always bugs me that Bambi was there and I wish I’d seen something. It was a small venue.
I would love to get my uncle and my grandfathers cold case reopened. Gary and Mike Anderson. They were murdered in mount pleasant Iowa and the men still walk free today due to lack of evidence due to it happening in the 80s
i think im connected to a cold case in some way. i know that i have been lied to all my life stolen from and i even have a twin that lives in kansas city i have learned. i think i may be a child from the morningside murders i dont know. lots of corruption and big operation nvolved in this travesty. here is my dna let’s get justice!!!
Anyone know if this case has been looked at again with all new DNA technology? I was her friend and lockermate in Jr High. She would come to my house after school sometimes and my mom would take her home. I’ve thought a lot about her over the years. She was such a gentle soul.
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Would be nice if the contact information provided was correct for law enforcement. The area codes are wrong they should be 515 not 712 and why is there no update…….cause the case isn’t being worked on.
Jonetta, first I would like to offer my condolences on your brother’s unsolved murder. It gets no easier after waiting eight years for answers; by contrast, each passing year creates more frustration, anger, and mistrust.
Wendel’s case was written a little differently, using actual news pieces in their entirety rather than just references, and some media outlets don’t always put an area code in front of the number to call. That can be confusing for those who don’t live in that particular area. I take responsibility for the incorrect area codes listed at the end, however, and have corrected them as well to reflect 515 instead of 712.
This may not come as any consolation, but just because no updates have publicly been posted does not mean the case isn’t actively being worked. By the time the case is 48 or 72 hours old, LE officials must then contend with other crimes just committed, and try to run out every possible lead before that case starts to go cold, too.
Cities like Fort Dodge have a slightly increased crime rate as compared with those in smaller jurisdictions, but there is always one constant theme. Killers, accomplices and witnesses like to talk. They like to brag in bars after a few drinks. They embellish details never released to the public, and police have them on their radar. (It’s true that in smaller cities “just about everyone in town” knows who did it but fear coming forward.) Agencies often must hold specific details close to the vest.
Please don’t think your brother’s murder is any less important than the others. It isn’t. You also have something else on your side; Larry Hedlund, a former FDPD detective who proudly served 25 years as a well respected Division of Criminal Investigation agent, was added two years ago to the Webster County Attorney’s Office to fill a new investigator position.
Don’t be afraid to call in and request a status update. You might learn something new. I wish you all the very best in seeing your brother’s killer held accountable and brought to justice.
What’s happened to the Hardy family mass murders please? July 1910, on farm 4 miles South East of Melbourne ( the old train station before Melbourne was as big as it is now) where only the son Raymond Hardy survived the dusk killings of his entire family.
I am the last surviving member of my family. I am Eileen’s sister. I am the only one who can describe what we knew about her disappearance. We have been silent too long.
Bob Dill was a violent man. He was abusive to Eileen multiple times. One time he choked her till she passed out. She stayed with me for 3 days because she was so afraid of him. Unfortunately, he was quite good at sweet talking her to come back. He controlled every aspect of her life and was extremely jealous. She started hiding money in case she needed to get away.
When my parents received a call from her friends saying she was missing, I went with my father to file a missing persons report in Des Moines County. We later heard the investigator that did Bob’s polygraph was a good friend of Bob. When my family was finally able to clean out her house, Bob showed up and began harassing us. He wasn’t concerned about Eileen being missing. He only wanted some antiques in her house. We had to call the sheriff to keep him away while we loaded the U-Haul truck. In her house we found wet clothes in the washer and a cake on top of the fridge. Her car was parked out front but her keys and purse were missing. We had to make special arrangements to get the car moved. My parents were so afraid Bob would hurt them that they started locking their house. Something they had never done before. Eileen’s disappearance nearly destroyed their marriage and we all suffered varying degrees of anger, helplessness and grief. After seven years my parents had her proclaimed legally dead. Every time a female body was discovered in the tri-state area, law enforcement would contact them and drag all the pain up again. Eileen’s name is engraved on the back of my parents’ stone. I pray her bones will be discovered so I can lay her to rest with my family before I die.
Eileen made many mistakes in her life. But she loved her daughter Mindy with all her heart and would never have willingly left her with Bob.
I still miss you Nene. 💔
He was in excavation business. He could have placed her in one of the jobs he had been working on. I believe it was Bob. He was the last person that saw her alive. Correct?
I know who did this. I am certain beyond a doubt. I would bet my own life on it. I turned this bastard in 25 ago but made the mistake of going to Chickasaw County sheriff instead of DCI. The ball was completely dropped.
I think it is so sad that Bill Carter will most likely never get official confirmation as to the guilt of his son, Jason. It seems obvious that with competent investigative procedures this case would be closed.
As it stands the guilty party must live with himself and know that his actions will be judged by the Almighty. I wonder if the internal guilt eats away at him.
My gut tells me this is a possible Larry Hall case.
I’d be interested to know if Iowa has made attempts to discover this.
Also be interested to know if there were any war reenactments
going on in iowa/around the area that time.
Larry Hall would find his victims while he traveled to war reenactments
He was known to target women alone- walking, riding their bikes fold victims clothes as an act of “care” and he was also
A grave digger and would usually bury victims in fields/woods.
Between 1980-1994. I’ve found a couple more from Iowa that fit the profile.
Lmk your thoughts!
Hello my love another year has went by. It is now a few days before my birthday. Thinking about how we would’ve been celebrating. You are so very much missed and I’m hoping one day this will all be solved. This ways on my mind heavy every day I wanted to let you know Yeah David is having a few bumps in the road, but he will get it together. As long as you keep your hands wrapped around him ,your son Darius has moved onto the special forces. You would be super, super proud of that young man at who he become, I really really miss you and love you to death You would so love these beautiful grandchildren. We would be grandparents of seven if he was here which I fully take on by myself, you are truly missed. I really really hope one day I will see you again. forever and always
yes, according to this article he thought it was a serial killer who was a Newton native and moved to Arizona. That sounds like John Vancise but he wasnt a serial killer
Yeah, not sure if I would subscribe to JV being a serial killer, but I would be interested in knowing if he had any sort of connection to Bobbi Crawford. Did he or any of his friends or acquaintances ever date her? I guess her son could answer questions about her social life and who she dated in the past. I can’t quite place my finger on it, but I feel like Bobbi and Jodi have some similar facial features.
Wasn’t there a thin connection between Vancise and the Copper Dollar ranch murders? I think it was mentioned in Beth Bednar’s book about Jodi H’s disappearance. Vancise either worked on the ranch or knew the owner at the time/around the time of the killings, something like that.
Yeah, I remember he has some sort of connection to it. If I recall correctly someone said it was a talking point for him to mention being close to it in some way. That whole case and trial got botched, but that’s a whole other topic of conversation.
Let’s pull together to convict her and wake up her husband Lord have mercy on there souls and don’t allow them into heaven palms 23 they are not wanted
If the Peggy Giddings murder case has not been solved after all, is there someone working on it now? Her family deserves to know who committed this horrible crime. It is just as horrendous now as it was when it happened back in 1970, and someone should be brought to justice even after all these years. Peggy did not deserve to die the way she did. She was not perfect, as none of us are, but she was a very sweet girl who had no guile. She loved her parents, brothers, and new little sister. The heartbreak her parents felt when they came home the night of Peggy’s murder was agonizing. Her dad told my friend and I the next day that the reason they moved out west from their former home near Benson High School was to provide a “safer” place for his family to live. It is unconscionable that this case has not been solved, especially with all the DNA advances in forensics since then. I often think of Peggy, her smile, and beauty, and occasionally visit her grave when I am in Omaha. Rest in Peace dear Peggy…
Paul is my uncle. His car was found in the Mississippi River near the Hawthorne boat ramp around Oct 11/12 as Newt Marine was dredging the river to make it deeper from the current drought we are experiencing. It was caught on the dredging equipment and pulled up and the detective said it was buried under around 7 feet of mud/silt. There were NO remains in the vehicle. Another vehicle was pulled up as well, a 1970 Pontiac GTO. No remains in that one either. At this point we still don’t know where Paul is.
The car was found 10/12/2023- No remains found in the vehicle.
THONLINE released this today:
A recent dredging operation along the Mississippi River resulted in the retrieval and identification of a vehicle belonging to a Dubuque man who went missing over 30 years ago, police said.
A 1981 Mercury Zephyr belonging to Paul J. Knockel, of Dubuque, was located earlier this month near the Hawthorne Street boat ramp in Dubuque by employees from Newt Marine Service, according to Dubuque Police Department Lt. Brendan Welsh.
Knockel was reported missing on Nov. 25, 1990, after failing to show up at a family gathering and missing work for several days. The location of the vehicle is the first major update in the case since his disappearance.
FYI, Police indicate local dredging company found Pauls vehicle Oct 12, and Police recovered what they could shortly afterwards. No remains were found but the entire vehicle was silted in.
DUBUQUE, Iowa – On October 12th, 2023 the Dubuque Police Department was notified that employees from Newt Marine Services, while conducting dredge operations in the Mississippi River near the Hawthorne Boat Ramp, located a submerged vehicle. This vehicle was pulled from the river and identified as a 1981 Mercury Zephyr. Investigators from the Dubuque Police Department were assisted by Wenzel Towing in recovering the vehicle. During the subsequent investigation and while processing this vehicle, investigators were able to identify it as belonging to Paul Joseph Knockel who had been reported missing in Dubuque on November 25th, 1990. Knockel was 53 at the time he was reported missing by family and his case has remained open since then. No human remains were located while investigators processed this vehicle. Anyone with information about this case is encouraged to contact Investigator Corporal Clark Egdorf at 563-589-4430 or Cegdorf@cityofdubuque.org. Anonymous tips can be submitted online via the Dubuque Police Department’s Official Page: http://www.cityofdubuque.org/209/Police or by calling Dubuque/Jo Daviess Crime Stoppers at (800)747-0117.
It’s not that nobody cares about this guy, it’s that getting phone records that are over 33 years old would be nearly impossible. Phone companies have changed over the years or even gone defunct, so their records have been destroyed. Unless he called his family collect from wherever he was at, there’s likely no record on the family’s end. IIRC, the only numbers to show up on your bill were long-distance numbers that you made as outgoing calls. Incoming calls weren’t likely noted on the bill unless they were collect calls. Technology in 1990 was nothing like it is now and phones back then were probably landlines and not cellphones.
This isn’t like a tv show where a mystery is solved in an hour. Investigations take time and resources are often spread thin. That doesn’t mean people don’t care about Mr. Keller. It’s just that there’s not a lot for investigators to go on for leads. If you read the comments, there’s been some folks who’ve mentioned a few John Does that have been found that kind of match Mr. Keller, but all anyone can do is submit the information to the NAMUS page or Doe Network and hope that it gets investigated.
Thank you for responding. You are absolutely correct. There wasn’t social media documenting his adventures. There weren’t cell phones to check in. He didn’t call home. He showed up on our doorstep between his cross country trips. He was a traveler. A dreamer. A hitchhiker without a plan. It’s not that we don’t care. We’ve been on TV. We’ve been in the paper. We share on social media. We search Namus and the Doe Network. Unfortunately, after 34 years it’s hard to believe that he is still alive and hasn’t returned “home” or been seen by any friends or family. We still hope that one day we will have answers.
I have found 2 people named Eileen Jaeger (in Dubuque County) that could possibly be her. One died in 2017 and the other in 2022. I have tried to find if these could be her, and I am not sure. Is she possibly still living? Did she change her last name? Does she still live in the area?
The Iowa Inspection and Appeal’s Office at the end of 2005 released their 25 pages of Citations against the Nurse and Mercy employees who drugged Gary Lack and caused him to fall and hit the area of his colon surgery on 01/13/2004, then after Gary was bleeding internally, Linda used drugs stolen from Ray Powers, after Ray died on the morning of 01/14/2004. Linda refused both Gary and Ray Powers the care they required and instead did not deliver Ray’s prescriptions to Ray, but instead Nurse Linda brought Ray’s prescription drugs to Gary’s home and administered them to Gary who had no prescription for Ray’s DBR gel and other pills. She dabbed the DBR gel in Gary’s throat and he drowned in his own blood.
More than 6 years ago an officer with WPD had commented on this case with me and said they reopened the case with substantial new leads. If I remember correctly there was video surveillance that had been brought to their attention. I’ve never heard anything else about it… I’d have to agree that there isn’t much concern with solving many of these cases, it’s very sad. RIP Lil’ Rod…
I feel that the girlfriend and the brothers who he fought with need to be looked into. The girlfriend insisted he was in the river, which is odd, she was so convinced. Why? Also, it is easy to assume that something further happened with the brothers outside of the bar. Perhaps they threw him off the bridge or simply just into the river. More needs to be looked at and done here. There are people who could clearly be involved that were skimmed over.
My thoughts are the sheriff and the pd in cresco and Howard county are lazy they take everything face value they don’t investigate I know first hand they call murders suicide there u got my opinion and as for cold cases I. Howard county they have a lot of cold cases cause they don’t investigate nothing
If you’ve got all this information on Ryerson being involved with all those murders/missing persons cases, why haven’t you gone to the police? Why haven’t you contacted someone in the DCI and said “Hey, I’ve got a suspect in these cases and here’s how to connect the dots to prove his involvement”?
I just don’t buy that he’s this insanely successful serial killer who has gotten away with a whole list of murders/missing persons cases. From what I’ve read about him in the stories you’ve linked to this site, he seems more like an inept bumbler who MIGHT (emphasis on might) have a fringe connection to a small handful of cases. He seems like the kind to like to brag about his “connections” in order to look like Iowa’s version of Ted Bundy.
All the cases you’ve listed that you claim he is involved in have different MO’s and different victim profiles. There’s different theories behind each one as to why the crime occurred. They’ve happened across a wide range of jurisdictions and it’s a little ludicrous to think that not only the DCI but all those different cops in different jurisdictions are ALL acting in collusion to cover up Ryerson’s alleged involvement in their cases. Even if he’s acting as a drug informant for them, the heinous nature of the crimes would essentially outweight any benefit he could give them, so you’d think they’d arrest him.
In the same general time frame, there were some paper boys that were molested in Edina, Minnesota by a guy named Charles Walter Bathel. He got caught, went away for couple of years, got out and met a man in a bar and murdered him during rough sex. He actually showed up at the police station with the body in the car, saying he’d found him on the side of highway 100. He JUST got out in the last couple of years. Paperboys and Edina is a couple of hours right up 35.
Maybe I missed it. But it was stated a man remembered a license plate #. But I don’t see anything stated what became of it. This crime is so disgusting. Just awful. Killers ramp up. So I believe the perpetrator fantasized about children. Then went on to molesting. Then progressed finally to this awful murder I would bet the perpetrator had a history of sex crimes against children. And like 1 too many. Let out of prison early. It is STILL going on. I’m sure everyone reading this knows. IT HAS TO STOP!!! NOW!!!! The public hets it. Why are the parole boards. The ones in charge NOT getting it?!!!!It has been stated by psychologists, Psychiatrists, They CANNOT BE REFORMED!!! They ate allowing more victims!!! Have them live on YOUR block then. I bet things would change then.
I was wondering the same thing. They said the place who could help with wasn’t open until Monday. Weird that nothing else seems to be said about after that. Another strange thing, the man found in Nevada gave too many eerie right on details for someone who was supposedly in Des Moines during the kidnapping. They also don’t discuss anything that was done with the ones who failed the lie detectors test. So many things seemed to be missed or just moved away from.
At the time, the DMV offices probably did not have a way to access the records until, the next working day. It most likely take an order from the governor or head of the DMV, to get several staff members to dig through paper records. Iowa license plates have the county name where the vehicle is registered to. Don’t know if they did back then.
Also, lie detector results are not admissible in court. Plus, who administered the test. Was he most likely certified to a standard as they would be today.
Also, being strapped to one of those devices might have created a stressful situation for the person being interviewed allegedly. Plus, how many people have been convicted on false confessions.
In Lynbrook, New York in 1986 or so. Three men were convicted in the disappearance, rape and murder of Teresa Fusco, ,(16), in November 1984.
The lead detective basically rewrote the youngest suspect’s confession at least seven times. The suspect was a high school dropout, drug abuser and may have been still high.
In 2003, he and the two others were cleared by DNA. The lead detective ignored and never mentioned about a car was stolen the night she disappeared and later found with a pair of jeans she was wearing in his reports. Also, he got wiretaps on the three claiming her blood was found in a van owned by one of the suspects. However, the crime lab people did not find any blood in the vehicle.
His actions cost Nassau County millions. On top of it, the rope used to strangle her and the jeans, were never tested, in a crime lab. Also, they were conveniently lost or misplaced.
With computers, radios, NCIC and other databases we can find information in minutes versus manually searching through paper records.
Neighbor Berger seems a little off considering they had farmland in the area she was found. Look up obit. for George E. Berger-Arizona Republic Archive. Let me know anyone
Hey mom, it’s me again. Little update, Freya was born a month and a half early. She is 8 months old now and today we are taking her to her first pumpkin patch with dad! She is also getting so close to crawling! Wish you were here, you’d absolutely love her. We love and miss you so much mom. Stay close. ❤
My Husband Gary and my son Adam were tortured and killed to cover up Proud Boy Republican politicians (Branstad/Kleckner/Grassley/others) on-going Point Source Contamination of 1/2 million Iowans Tap Water or drinking water.
Brian’s mother has now passed to be reunited with Brian and Arnie. Like Arnie, it’s fortunate that Laura lived long enough to learn who tragically killed her son.
I don’t quite understand though. He took a shotgun to the lounge but then was shot with a shotgun? Was he shot with his own gun? Or did the shooter already have a gun and shot John and John’s gun is the one they found?
Just learned about this case today. What a horrible end for such a promising young woman. I tend to believe that Arthur Charles Scott Jr. had something to do with her death.
There was a lot that everyone does not know about. There was family dysfunction and so much more to the story than anyone knows. I have questioned my elders and investigated the entire family for proof of the stories, by each person’s behavior and demeanors, and patterns, as well as consistency in the stories. I know, for a fact, that there are things said that are not true, for my Aunt Mickey’s events, as well as what is. They dysfunctional patterns from Mickey’s life to the patterns of my life are incredibly parallel. I don’t believe Arthur Scott had as much to do with the situation as everyone thinks. Not sure how well he knew my Uncle Ray, Mickey’s brother, but I do know he didn’t murder her.
I just found out about Marlene’s story, through a YouTube video, from “Fascinating Graveyard”, posted yesterday. The more I’ve been reading about this Arthur Charles Scott Jr. person, he sounds like the likeliest suspect. The video is well presented, and very respectful. These old cases fascinate me, especially when they’re solved. And hopefully, this one will be solved as well. And then, this case, which I still find infuriating.
When I was about 17 months old, Dr. Edward C. Branson, of Walter Reed Hospital in Washington, DC, was treating me for my club feet and pigeon toes. He and a friend, T.E. Drach, drove to Jacksonville, FL for a vacation, late May, 1955. Dr. Branson encountered an 18 year old Navy man, Robert Owen Emmett, in a Jacksonville bar, and the two went for a ride. Long story short, after falling asleep/passing out in a Green Cove Springs woods, Dr. apparently made “improper advances” to Emmett, who proceeded to club Dr. to death with a hickory branch, robbed him of his wallet, stole his car, and confessed quickly. He got virtually no punishment, since it was a “g@y panic” murder, which was a thing for years. Robert Emmett died at age 80, Dr. Branson was only 31.
I litteraly heard her tell me with her own voice her two lips they were at a get togather in a back yard got to argueing she hit nhim with a gallon glass alchol container then that’s when she stopped talking and would talk about it to me ever again
She was murdered. Hit-and-run hired by gee husband. That’s my theory as my mother dated her nasty husband after she passed away.. . He is a very violent and abusive evil man…. started dating my mother not even a month after his wife passed away.
first id check any waterways on route from albia to avery 2nd id find out what cop stopped harry the 17th to give him ticket seems shady but this case and albia iowa are seeming shady the more i look into it someone has to know something.god will judge them in the end 3rd id interogates the two men who last seen him alive they would be 1 suspect.
Wondering if this has ever been solved?
A friend of my father’s came by our place the night after this happened. Said He knew who it was and had been with them at some point before she was murdered,or right after. I always wondered if He was being truthful.
This was a very close friend of the family. Today is her birthday. Her children are now my siblings. Brianne’s children now all have children. She’d be a grandmother of three. All boys. We miss you Brianne.
Lonnie Bell is now residing at the Heritage Specialty Care center in Cedar Rapids 200 Clive Dr SW….was once the Heritage Nursing and Rehab Center…he is well know for his derogatory and racist comments he will call all black person whether employees or residents “N…..” and other names and continually tries to get them fired by telling lies.
He is pure evil and hateful and very vindicative towards anyone.
X38, it would be nice if you elaborate on why we should get his DNA, in connection with this homicide. The first question would be does he know the victim. Secondly is he from the area. Does he have a criminal record related to what happened to her. Also, has he made any comments that suggests that he was connected to this case.
I am sure the police would appreciate some more details such as his description to include his age, date of birth, height, weight, hair and eye color as a start. Plus answers to the questions, I posed above, as a minimum.
The Cops, facts, Dateline got it right. The fantasies and admissions of Annette Cahill’s were quite Delousional of what & who she was & meant to a bartender. It so Clear she was trying to catch & trap someone for a financial future. She wasn’t at home with her kids, but trying to trap & catch someone who was 7 yrs younger, by often getting drunk & asking for a ride. Realistic Annette was just a convenient side piece and that’s all. Annette’s claims of love was lust, and her claim they were going to go look for bars and start a life!? What a fantasy! Annette is a coward, liar, a murderer. And unfortunately She wasn’t nailed & arrested & jailed 25 years sooner.
I lived in MC in 2006. I can’t remember the guys name…he worked at Best Buy and had a French name.
He lived in the same apartments as Jodi Huisentruet and he knew her. He was obsessed with the story and told me that they would never find her. That she had been thrown into mill. He creeped me out and I never went out with him again. 😬
Around 1966, I spent three days in the San Francisco Children’s Hospital for a tonsillectomy (yes, that was a three day thing back then). Wilma’s sister Mona was there at the same time. I was totally transfixed by her just sitting there in a wheelchair, just staring off into space most of the time. The nurses told me that she “lived” at the hospital and I tried to talk my parents into adopting her. I never forgot her and was shocked when I heard Wilma’s story on “The Trail Went Cold.” I reached out to Robin Warder about this and he told me that Mona ended up living in a group home in Southern California for her adult life. What a sad story.
It truly is despicable that the Des Moines police claimed that they could do nothing until he had been gone for 48 hours. Too bad the cops involved can’t be named and shamed. Even today certain Des Moines cops lie to people and pretend that the law is something other than what the statutes actually say when doing their job becomes too complex for them. For example, my disabled sister was recently the victim of theft by bailee (among other types of crimes) and despite what the Iowa statutes unambiguously state, the officer involved falsely claimed that it was a civil matter, rather than applying the facts to the lesser-known subsections of the theft statute. Iowa has a far smaller proportion of its citizens incarcerated than does Wisconsin, but having strong ties to both places, it’s clear to me that Iowa simply allows more of its citizens to be victimized without holding the perps accountable. Iowa doesn’t have less crime; it doesn’t have fewer criminals; it doesn’t do a better job with rehabilitation.
It am frustrated, with the comments by Col. Stuelke, from 2010. Well, the pathologist supposedly could not determine the cause of death, and they are waiting for the right piece of evidence to mysteriously sprout legs and walk in the door. Well, what,have they done to push the envelope to generate tips.such as the one provided by the girl she babysat.
The LAPD, solved a cold case from the 1950’s. They periodically had it reviwee. Then a female detective was assigned to the unit. As the new York kid on the block, she was given the case. She dug and started taking notes and solved the case. Although the offender was deceased, since the 1950’s, as he had committed suicide.
I guess other police departments don’t wait for someone to slip an envelope under the door, or over the transom. Maybe they can call NCIS, who was the first and get some guidance on investigating Cold cases. Since, they kind of established the book on it after getting with authorities.
How about getting a medical examiner to review the autopsy report originally done. I would assume that what wasn’t understood then, should be better known. If that does not help, then exhume the body, and do another autopsy, based on today’s standards. I would ask that a forensic anthropologist be asked to review the initial one and a second one if needed.
Most cold case units start with reviewing the case report. Then they look to see if there was any physical evidence recovered. The forensic tools available are incredible.
So, the county sheriff needs to take the 1st step. If not then the State of Iowa should walk in and take everything. Then they get the credit, and not the county.
Look at the recent arrest of a suspect in Long Island. It involved investigators from a mix of agencies.
My daughter had a dream where Daniel came to her in a dream! I looked up everything she said & it matches this case perfectly! Who do i contact about this???
The truth is very different than the Government Abduction Coverup’s narrative that we are expertly given by the likes of Noreen and the M.S.M. so much so that the truth is difficult to understand even if told by the abductee.
Suppressed facts.
Ted Gunderson found me in South Texas where I was being used to further the New World Orders agenda and Ted was made to work with the cover up by pointing at another person in Washington DC in order to draw the attention away.
Noreen told the news and it aired locally before the coverup regained control of the narrative.
Noreen and I were used as monarch slaves using trauma based mind control. T started awakening from my enslavement 15 years ago.
I was made to visit Noreen with a 2 person mind control programming team to hypnotically access Noreen in order to manipulate her memories of Ted finding me.
25% of the hundreds of people I’ve spoken with about this in the Des Moines area remember when it was on the local news here.
This is just one of thousands of memories that Adam has become Consciously aware of. We are in the process of integrating my Johnny and Adam personalities as we become aware of each others memories.
The technology used in these secret government programs are advanced and often extremely abusive.
Before my Grandfather passed away he couldn’t let go without telling my mom that he knew what happened to her. He said he was afraid to come forward because he didn’t want them to come after him and his family. He said that a local biker gang took her and murdered her and put her in a one of those drums. He didn’t say what they did with the drum.
I think the presence or involvement of a biker gang would have been blaringly obvious and noteworthy to law enforcement and others who were at or around the bar that night.
After watching the People’s airing of this case, Tammy, why don’t they pursue the genealogy route w that DNA they finally lifted off her clothing? Many murders are solved now by hiring a Genealogist to track a family start then begin narrowing it down. Just a thought. They family deserves closure.
I’m curious why Bob and Bonnie Swanson aren’t on this list. My (step)grandfather was Bonnie’s father. He was also the sheriff of Des Moines county during that time.. Merritt quick. They were murdered in 1969 and it’s never been solved. Me and my grandpa spent a lot of time looking into it, he’s since passed. I’ve just started getting back into it and if anyone knew the couple or anything about the case that might not be public knowledge I’d really appreciate you reaching out to me!
Robert and his wife was murdered during their honeymoon 1969.
From the newspaper September 1969: MISSING IOWA COUPLE FOUND SLAIN IN WOODS, Jackson, Mo. September 1, The bodies of a missing Iowa newlywed couple were found yesterday in thick woods in southeast Missouri. Authorities said they were murdered and dragged to the spot. James W. Kinder, chief deputy sheriff, identified the victims as Bonnie Quick Swanson, 19, daughter of Sheriff Merritt Quick of Des Moines county, Ia, and her husband Robert Conrad Swanson, 19. Kinder said the couple were en route to New Orleans in late March when they were reported missing by their families. The couple had been married in February and were last seen in Burlington, Ia., about March 20 in their blue and white Oldsmobile which had Iowa license plate number 29-19347. Kinder said Mrs. Swanson had been shot in the right temple and that her husband´s skull had been fractured. There bodies were found by a timber buyer who was checking the woods.
SLAIN COUPLES CAR FOUND AT TRAIN STATION Fort Madison, Ia., september 3. The car in which Bonnie and Robert Swanson, both 19, left for their honeymoon last March was found yesterday at the Santa Fe depot, four days after their bodies has been discovered in the wooded area of southeast Missouri. The slain newlyweds were daughter and son-in-law of Des Moines county Sheriff Merritt Quick. Charley Huck, a reserve Des Moines county officer, was driving to the depot on business when he spotted their abandoned car about 200 yards east of the depot. Local authorities said fishing equipment belonging to Quick, clothing for a man and woman, and a 22-caliber bullet were found in the car, which apparently had been abandoned on the depot parking lot sometimes between May 1 and May 15. The bodies of the newlyweds were discovered Friday in the thick woods four miles north of Oak Ridge, Mo. Mrs. Swanson had been shot in the head and her husband had been beaten about the head, police said. The couple had been killed somewhere else and dragged to the wooded area.
Right.. but it says they were killed and taken to that spot. They were killed in Iowa, I believe Burlington or ft Madison and then they were moved to Missouri. Otherwise the car wouldn’t have just randomly showed up in Iowa at the train depot.
I live in Ft.Mad and recently did some digging. There was a escaped inmate ( the prison is here) during thst time. The prison was not far from the train depot. I have a gut feeling he had something to do with it
Tammy…I don’t understand why you keep professing that Rose was your best friend when I understand that you and Rose had a falling out over a guy and hadn’t spoke to each other for a year or more before she died. Isn’t that true?
I am the widow of Roger Atkison. I just published my book on his murder. It can be found on Amazon.com. The title: AXED! The 1980 Amana, Iowa, Ax Murders by Marcella Hatcher-Atkison.
Anon, I attempted to pull up that Facebook page. It seem to show her as having some connection to Scripos Memorial Hospital. However she seems to list Waterloo. Iowa as her home town.
I assume this is the one that is posting to her page. However, there is very little detail on her disappearance. I was looking for something that suggested she worked in the medical field, especially with the reference to a hospital in the Dan Diego metro area.
Do you any further details on her background. I get frustrated that with the limited details on many missing persons cases. In this day and age there should be more details that law enforcement should develop and provide to us who like to help find them.
Also, I don’t have access to Facebook. I had a page on there many years ago, but stopped off. Too many strangers wanted to be friends, but no enemies.
They need to make a new law that in cold cases, the amount of years that they get to just go on with their lives, is automatically tacked on to the sentence, and can’t be plea dealed down.
From to the Cinemaholic Apr 16, 2022 :
“…According to Pilcher’s criminal records, he was in prison till 2017 and served probation till 2020. Since then, Pilcher has preferred to stay below the radar and prefers privacy. However, as things currently stand, it appears as if he is still residing in the state of Iowa.”
The guy is 77 and undoubtably living on social security now and I highly doubt he has accumulated much of that. Personally, I don’t want to pay for his 3 meal and a cot with medical, dental and YMCA lifestyle thrown in for good measure. He will find it MUCH more difficult on the outside unless he is getting assistance.
He is on housing now living free of charge telling everyone the total different story he saying he was in prison for 40 yrs and the case finally got overturned that 40 years was taken from him i.was shocked when I found out the truth
Maybe if one person does one state asking questions and another person asks in another and talks back and forth to each other Maybe we can find him if we get a lot of people asking questions Maybe it would help to find him that would work too so then you can narrow down the search
I’m slightly confused as there is an upcoming burial for her. I don’t see any arrests or anything to that degree. Did MPD release her remains just now, or is there something that has changed in the case? Prayers to the family. https://www.sandhfuneralservice.com/
I thought so at one time, but I spoke to the detective working Vernon County Doe and this woman from Iowa was ruled out due to dna. Yes, it’s a striking resemblance.
What’s bizaare, which absolutely no one has explained, is why on a 9-1-1 call, the son, who is not a medical examiner or coroner, puts his mom’s death at 2 hours ago. That right there is so incredibly bizarre that I am surprised that the police didn’t interrogate Jason on it. And why did he call others before calling 9-1-1?? Another thing is that the propensity to start “crying” almost on queue. Also, the female-like screeching that Jason does, such as on the 9-1-1 call. I could understand anger and yelling, but the screeching voice at 3 raised octaves is waaaay over the top, a bit dramatic for a grown man, especially a man who thinks he’s got big enough balls that he can have an extramarital affair.
I have tried to tell people, there are these things in the woods. They are a cross between a dog and a monkey. They are invisible to the naked eye, until you hit them with direct light and the moment it hits them they will move away. I know how crazy it sounds. But someone actually caught one on video recently in England. You can find the video on TMZ.com search Demon Dog.
Act accordingly.
This sounds like a textbook missing 411 case , David Politis is a investigator who has researched thousands of missing people who just vanished out of thin air. This is definitely a missing 411 case that David investigates
So sad. We pray for Ackerman family today and far into the future. I believe this is a missing 411 case that fits Dave Pilaides profile points. These disappearances cannot be explained and we can only hope and pray these mysterious disappearances will one day be solved, so the pain and suffering will cease. God Bless you All!!!
Another name for that style of dress was sizzle dress or sizzler dress. They had a matching brief of the same color and pattern as a dress so it blended in and didn’t show your underwear to the whole United States. My sisters had some and I wore a kid’s version (without the built in bra) in the early ’70s
Normally, it’s up to the investigative agency to enter the missing person into NamUs. However, many law enforcement agencies don’t use it, for whatever reason. A number of states have laws that require law enforcement agencies to enter all missing persons cases into NamUs.
I look at NamUs, as another tool to spread the word that a person is missing. The other issue is that many agencies are not aware of the different websites related to Missing Persons, such as Iowa Cold Cases, The Charley Project, Websleuths and The Doe Network.
Also, the number of people who are into True Cime, Cold Cases and Missing Persons is extremely high. In fact an early PR guy for NamUs, was involved in identifying a young woman found murdered by his then future father’in-law. When the internet came along it helped him figure out who she was.
Also, a number of missing persons cases have been solved by people connected to The Doe Network.
I even found a missing woman to apparently ran away from Camden, New Jersey. I searched her online about five years ago. I came across an entry for her on LinkedIn. Everything seemed to match up. I called the Camden Police and spoke with a female in investigator. She was upset that I did not have the full case report number. Plus, she seemed bothered that I was a complete stranger and had basically did their job.
Also, I almost wanted to tell her to get off her posterior and dig through the records and find the original case,report. I was a former detective with a federal agency, and would gave soebtctge time to dig through are records especially if it was from a previous computer era case file.
I should have offered to fly into Philadelphia, wrote up a follow-up and then borrowed one of their marked cars and driven to where this,young woman was,living and working.
Plus, it would given me a chance to visit my former partner, who lives in Philadelphia. I figured out that they did the work, when the missing woman’s entry on NamUs, was restricted. I did not fetxa thank you from them. Nut a free tour of the USS New Jersey, a retired U.S. Nsvy battleship would have been nice.
Lillian’s mamus case has been closed. Mason City was supposed to update this site and close her case. After years of searching her family finally has answers. Lillian passed away in 1969 in New Orleans. Her remains are interned in Charity hospital cemetery.
My family isn’t from this town originally but I grew up there. My mom knows the story to a degree and from what she’s heard from locals she knows who probably did it. He’s still alive and still lives in town. I won’t name is name because if I’m wrong it’s a terrible thing to accuse them of. But I think she’s right.
I just checked my records, Shirley Magee disappeared on her way to Harlan High School on July 23, 1973. However. I get frustrated with the number of missing person Cases, with no further details.
I assume that she may have been attending summer school. But this is only a guess. Because of her age, she would still be in grammar school, unless she was going there for something else.
Also, a Kelly Juanita Staples (8), disappeared on January 8, 1980, whilexwalking to school again on the Southeast side of Chicago, about 73rd & Merrill. Again few details.
Then in April 1984, a 10 year old was kidnapped while walking home at noon. The offender was identified as Thomas Sykes (29) at the time. He was also arrested on April 13, 1984, for kidnapping another girl, he abducted on her way to school. He attempted to bring her to a building where he once lived. The landlord denied him entry to the building and she was recovered. At his trial the judge allowed the prosecution to mention the previous kidnapping.
There is another case of Betty Ann Moore (12), who was staying with her foster grandfather’s house in Robbins, Illinois, while her mother was in the hospital. She was last seen at on June 3, 1986, when she went to bed. It was assumed she left the house voluntarily in the morning and went school. However, her naked and beaten body was found in the Calumet-Sag Channel
Her clothes were found alongside her body. Her father had died a,few months before her. She did not interact with other kids. The other interesting part, was that she wrote an fictional murder story for her Englush class, where an adult victim with her name. She supposedly read it in class. It was found in a,photo album.
its simple,fairfield police did not do thier job sufficiently.lots of evidence points directly to the culprit.a little kid could solve this case.shame on you.jefferson county p.d..JUSTICE FOR D.J. NEEDS TO BE GIVEN.
is it me or do we have the worst police in the history of police.if someone didnt even report the situation for two hours and had others come help (clean up) and neighbor saw crystal and other men carrying his body upstairs with blood coming out his ears ,i think the answer is clear.plus there was no clothes found.i think a 5 year old could solve this case.the fairfield police dept. dropped the ball big time on this.i myself have recently contacted the internal affairs and a lawyer to make sure justice is served and the police and crystal knight answer for thier actions.pam and doug deserve better than that and so do we d.j.s family members.i love you d.j. and misss you so much.
I agree with you 100% Sean they botched my daughters investigation up left a lot of evidence untouched never even checked it I’m not real happy with them right now Fairfield police my daughter was the one that was killed and laid on the railroad tracks on Easter
Josh’s mother posted something interesting in the facebook group recently. She said that the detective working on this case is Matt Denlinger, who is the one who worked on the Michelle Martinko case. He recently took cadaver dogs to a Palo, IA property and also drained a septic tank to look through the contents and that it wasn’t the first time this has been done. She mentioned that Denlinger said he is very optimistic about the future of this case. Since she mentioned septic I’m guessing it was rural Palo.
Veronica, I am deeply sorry that your family has suffered so much by trying to do the right thing. I am appalled and saddened to see just how corrupt our system is. I applaud you for continuing the fight and doing what is right. I am glad you keeping bringing attention to this, especially for not giving up. You have lost so much to give up now and let these people win, or let other people suffer. May God bless you and keep you safe.
Sincerely,
Judy
Hello. Just moments ago at the time of me typing this , ( April 25 , 2023) I came across a picture of Kimberly Sue Doss on a random missing persons website . ( It could have been Fandom, but I don’t want to back out of this post to check ) . Whenever I see photos of a young female that might fit the description of Vidor, TX Jane Doe, I stop scrolling and look at their missing dates. I looked at Kim’s age and height and hair and so I searched further and found myself on this Iowas Missing Person page. It’s very eerie to tonland on this page and find out that Kim had ties to Texas . The Vidor, TX Jane Doe’s remains were found on January 1, 1984 not far from Interstate 10. They believed that the person had passed within the three preceding months ,but most likely in December 1983 according to the reports. So If this can help her family , please look into the case of the Vidor, TX Jane Doe.
So did the police ever check parents phone records to check where he was last at so then you can g from there where he may be at and ask around Florida California New York City just saying you gotta start from where he was last at to find out if anyone has ever seen him since 1990 you gotta check things out
Wow, John Rose did some nice work in his 35 short years. Not too many can say that he actually killed his father and then was killed, presumably, by ex-cons that he looked.
I would like to know if the police asked for the parents phone records to see where he last called from to go from there where he might be at cause you could ask people from that last area that he was at if they knew where he was at Did they ever ask around in Florida California and New York City if he was ever even really there plus that would also narrow your search for him
I found an article from 2022 that said they were investigating a man named Algene Vossen for Emma’s murder and for the 1978 murder of Anna Miller. I can’t find any follow-up articles, other than Vossen was declared incompetent to stand trial after he was charged with murdering Mae Herman in Minnesota in 1974. Recent DNA testing found his blood on her sweater. I just thought I’d pass on what I’d found, even though authorities aren’t saying if he was the killer of Anna and Emma.
Read my, 2019 Iowa Supreme Appeal #17-1933 of my case CVCV046761 it is a public record at Iowa’s Supreme Court. Branstad and Kleckner’s on-going Point Source Pollution Plume mapped out by IDNR’s Russ Tell in 2008 has taken out at least 3 public wells for Cedar Falls, at least one for Waterloo and 100’s of private wells in Russ Tell’s mapped out “Plume” in the Cedar Valley Group Aquifers. The State of Iowa and the Iowa DNR continue to cover-up their profiting from their on-going 30-year former Republican governors’ and former Head of Farm Bureau’s profiting from their promoting on-going PFAS Nitrite AG chemical point source contamination of the Tap Water of our “left” side or “Bloom” side of Iowa Source Water our drinking water. Branstad’s 2017 staff attorney C. Smith agreed in 2017 the illegal channeling of 50,000 acres of Flood Water from parts of Worth, Cerro Gordo, and Mitchell Counties Flood water to be illegally drained down the Aquifer Recharge Area Sinkholes in Cedar (W) Township, Mitchell County Iowa’s 1991 Designated National Wetland’s Aquifer Recharge Area (Sinkholes). Branstad’s profits included the damage or costs to 1/2 million Iowans health in at least parts of 8 Iowa counties.
IDNR’s Russ Tell had mapped out the growing on-going contaminated “Plume” in the Cedar Valley Group Aquifers from Mitchell County Iowa’s 1991 Designated National Wetland’s Aquifer Recharge Area in Cedar (W) Township in 2008.
I had always heard “rumors” that the perpetrator was one of her male high school teachers or mentors. So sad! Hope they find him some day, and that he suffers a worse demise!
Has any one looked into the brothers drug store. Could a customer family member have a beff with the family. What was career path. We’re there any connections between the families finical dealings. Did the husband have a lady in the side
It is amazing how no one has mentioned or made a distinction that the victims are surviving families of WW2 and the allied American forces. I mean really Ronald Lee Nowack. The Davis’ , Sanders, Searcy, Meadows, Martin, Olsen, and I can personally tell you I’m relative to maybe %100 of the victims or they have relative or friends names. Murdered Roma murdered Auschwitz survivor name. It never stopped. Even my grandma has a nephew named Donald John Duitsman that got hit by a semi in 1983 in Harris IA. The dates case numbers everything mean something personal to me and my personal history. I think that I should leave my phone number here in case anyone wants to contact me for family tree information. (515)410-5160.
It bothers me that there is no mention of the caliber of the weapon used in his murder. Also, were there any shell cases recovered. If there were shell casings, they could provide a fingerprint and maybe even DNA
My gma said a law enforcement officer from Mapleton was gonna testify who it was he was found shot and dead in in cop car and the way guns were in placed and how he was shot he did not kill himself…
The night she was last seen, I was in the back seat of my dad’s car waiting for my step mom to get off of work at airlight. It sticks in my head very vividly, she usually would walk out the building talking to her step brother or would often wait right out side the doors until he would come out before walking to the parking lot. However she came out and didn’t even look back and quickly shuffled out to her car she was alone when she drove past. Normally a wave to me and my dad but not even a glance that night. Moments after she left her brother rushed out and looked around then came up to the driver’s side window and asked if we seen her come out yet. My dad said yeah why what’s going on. And my dad even tried to start a conversation but Matt walked away looking all around the parking lot even walked towards the building several times but not back inside. Before he jogged to a vehicle that pulled up along the side of the building. There were two men in that vehicle. Not positive if they worked there since they had been parked a little while before everyone else was dismissed. Although my dad was sure that one man was waiting in the car prior to dismissal and the second man got into the car and it pulled off then returned for Matt all within 10-15 minutes of the second guy exiting the building however Kim was already gone. She was the fourth person to exit that night. But no officers seem to have questioned my dad. I was a minor at the time. But it was a strange behavior from Kim and Matt.
I’d look into everyone who has commented on public media with insensitive rude remarks or even comments that seem to mock the incident, poking light onto details of the case ,see if there are connections between those people and suvs as well as living proximities. I wouldn’t put it past a killer who is sick and twisted enough to do this to children, to be some way want to still be connected to them one way or another.
With the nature of the internet this would be a needle in the haystack method of solving the case. Unfortunately anonymity + public forum = insensitive and rude comments. Internet 101.
I am familiar with this case because I was a dance student whose recital was at Hoyt Sherman close to when this happened. I was a junior in high school and moved away from Des Moines during the summer of 1962. Now that I find relatives for family members and adoptees through DNA research, I hope that the Des Moines or state police crime labs can find grant money to pay from analyzing the DNA with an Investigative Genetic Genealogist…I would even help if I could. I have never forgotten this case as it was so horrific that people around the apartment heard her screams and no one took action immediately. I know if there is enough DNA available, the killer will be found. Every day now cold cases are being solved and the group of IGG is growing to fill this need for both victims families and also Jane/John Doe cases. God Bless her family and the cold case investigators who have continued to work this case.
No DNA Or Physical Evidence Connecting Theresa To The Crime That Is Why She Was Aquitted Of The Double Murder…
I Have Always Had My Suspicions That This Was A Murder For Hire
well sweet little man 22 years ago you were brutally robbed and you life stolen from your precious heart my thoughts always turn you this time of year I will never forget that cold cold morning when you gained your angel wings,my heart aches that no one was ever held accountable for your murder you never got the chance to become a young man get married start your adult life you were robbed of that!!!what a sweet little baby you were I knew you would grow up and do good things im so sorry that was stolen from you!!!! I’m also ashamed as tax payer in iowa and union county that they haven’t held anyone accountable and just brushed it under the rug!!!!!you were a human and should have had the chance to live your life!!!!I think of you often and visist your resting place but know you arent there you are flying with the angels!!!!
I saw this case was covered on an episode of a podcast called Missing In America: The First 24 Hours. In the episode “Into the Darkness” Marc Allen’s brother is interviewed. According to this podcast interview Marc did have a paper route. In this article on Iowa Cold Cases it says reports first said he did have a paper route, but then it was said he didn’t. I understand he wasn’t on his route like the other two boys, but there seems to be a pattern here. This is my educated guess, but the Register really wanted to hide something. It’s been decades now, and the employees from that time might not be around anymore. So there might be some cover ups that are very hard to expose. I know it also could have been a random person who took Marc as well. There’s just so much information we don’t have, and so much time has passed.
I am with you regarding Des Moines Register connection.. Find it also odd that two of the three usually had someone with them? Were they LURED by secret offer of work bonus?
I have tried to reach out to who I can. I feel maybe nothing had been done since I was never contacted for more info/leads. When I first got my info, not too long after this horrific night, I immediately called the police. Still nothing. Less than 6mo ago I gave info to I believe a grand daughter, but no one contacted me still. I’m not sure what’s going on. The mouth I heard it from was supposedly there that night and witnessed/contributed to this crime.
Abbey Eslinger
Contact Melonie, patty, or I, we will take your info and give/ask detectives. And I say ask because we tell them info and give them contact information to contact source, but unfortunately because it is an ope. Case we don’t always get an answer on the tip….but I know we want this solved, we want to have justice for William and Grandma, and we want to be able to bring her home!
There was never much information exposed about this case. DNA or confession may be the only hope to solving this case. The person who did this needs to pay.
29 year’s now still not solved, God please take the wheel and solve this for them since no one cares to do anything else or bother to at least follow up with us the family shouldn’t be our job to do their job to communicate with them they’re the ones that supposed to be reaching out to families that they have not forgotten about my mother or others unsolved!!
Love my mother and pray this is solved before my time comes , I will see her again and then I will know and they will not be coming to heaven because I’ll kick the door shut the devil is waiting for whoever did this to my beautiful mother she wasn’t just nobody she was somebody so let that sink in.
Still holding out hope that the killer will be brought to justice! Although he has to live with it in his head everyday it isn’t enough. Justice for Kathy <3
DAVID, THIS IS ARLAN KICKBUSH . LYMAN BUILT SOME CLOSETS IN OUR HOUSE AND MY DAD GAVE HIM A RIDE HOME TO A HOUSE THAT RALPH MOSER HAD ON YELLOWSTONE RD. I WAS PRETTY YOUNG BUT I REMEMBER DAD HELPING HIM TO THE HOUSE. I LEARNED OF HIS DEATH WHEN I GOT HOME FROM SCHOOL.
could she be the Barstow Jane Doe? BJD was a female hispanic head found in a back pack Feb 10, 2010 and TOD was determined to be approx 3 days prior to discovery
Has it ever occurred to you that some of these shady characters may have reason to try and “claim responsibility” for Jodi’s disappearance? Has happened frequently with other high profile cases.
What about Kia lorez, Indian Joe, Jake Davidson, Thompson’s, Police negligence.And all in connection with Lori Alexander’s homicide??? SOLVED, m, my ass… What about the appeal, not mentioned??? Another appeal, who shot my son Shane Wessels??? And the others who helped kill my son, and never received no charges??? Guilty as shooter. Police need to be investigated here, and I can’t wait until BIRD visits here.
I understand your frustration, with authorities in Fort Dodge in charging others in relation to your son’s death. However.it takes evidence, such as witnesses to come forward, and physical evidence.
These forensics programs such as CSI Las Vegas and Miami, have juries looking for forensic evidence that may not been recoverable, such as maybe trying to match up a mark one body, to a punch thrown or body part grabbed.
Plus the authorities may have certain evidence to support their beliefs. However, the prosecutor has to say yes there is enough to go to trial, or he or she wants more to put before a jury.
The prosecutor has to approve all felony charges, at least here in Illinois. We hear of a number of cases where people were wrongly accused of serious crimes and sentenced to jail for crimes they did not committ.
One of them involves the disappearance, rape and murder of Theresa Fusco. 16. In Lynbrook, New York in the early 1980’s. Three men served almost 20 some years. Then DNA cleared them. However, the DA wantedcto retry one of them, based on his confession.
However, the confession was basically written orxrewritten several times by the lead detective on the case. Also, he got wiretaps on their phones, claiming her blood was found in one of the offenders van. However, no blood was ever found in the van,. Plus he claimed that her hair was found in the van. However, the hairs he claimed were found in the van, had signs of banding. According to forensic experts this banding occurs several hours after death.
It appears the drtective had unfettered access to the crime lab. He also never reported to any other detectives working the case or the states attorney, about a car stolen, when Theresa disappeared. The vehicle was recovered and her pants were found under the front passenger seat. However, another police agency took the evidence found, but never had it processed, andvit disappeared.
There is a whole lot of unsolved murders that are not even listed…I want their families to have closure and these “supposed to be a cop” have taken no time in arrest people who do drugs without a hint of searching for facts but they can’t even be honest with our community that they don’t have the guts to say there is murders that are not listed and it’s awfully funny that they want to help the community then why are they hideing behind their badges and be on the take and labeled everything as drug related and has SNITCHES that are guilty and let them get away with being involved in the murders because of being a SNITCH, I have never seen cops like Fort Dodge cops in any other town…..all I can say is Good Bless to the families that are still suffering
They were probably using drugs and that is why they were cleaning the scene . They did not want anyone to no they was getting messed up with a pregnant woman..
Hey Mathew Ratliff I see you are decently active here and I was wondering if you and your sister are in any way related to the Jim Ratliff who was recently sent to prison for human trafficking and soliciting sex from minors?
Also I believe “BRYCE PETERSON” was involved with the murder of “MOLLIE TIBBITS”, also, Bryce has “co conspirators, Megan Walford Baustian, and Ben Ardvinson” from Brooklyn, Iowa whom Bryce brought from Brooklyn Iowa after meeting her on a dating app, whom I caught in my apartment together, they were having sex, and smoking crack, when I came home to this, they shoved me in my bedroom and held the door closed so I could not get out for sometime, for 2 years they were covertededly in a relationship in my face, hone, bed etc, they are part of what “Bryce calls his perfect circle”, after I caught on Megan Walford Baustian and Ben Ardvinson went back to Brooklyn Iowa thinking they were going to “escape criminal investigation and prosecution”, to this day that’s exactly what is happening even after I have reported a multiple of times to the Iowa City Police Department, Johnson County Attorneys, and the Judges” THIS IS BEYOND CRITICAL AND SERIOUS”!!! I had previously just commented on Kenny Joe Johnsons “murder”, A concerned person!
I have been reporting “Bryce Laurence Peterson”, for the last 2 years now, absolutely NOTHING” My uncle is an “unsolved murder ” in Des Moines Iowa, and when I showed Bryce my uncle’s story, he brought up Kenny Johnson, I had not known about his murder until than, I grew up in Des Moines, Bryce Peterson wanted to take me to his hometown and take me to MAUS PARK, Bryce has an obsession with “males, knives, and strangulation during sex”, Bryce is a “COVERTEDED, MALIGNANT GASLIGHTING PSYCHOTIC SOCIOPATH, WITH BPD, WHO WAS EMOTIONALLY ABUSED BY INCEST, AND WAS SEXUALLY INCESTED BY 1 OR MORE FAMILY MEMBERS “! Bryce will tell you for “no apparent reason” his “adopted mom and dad” Lyle, and Jean Peterson made him leave the house as soon as he graduated from Dubuque High School, Bryce “pulled knives on me multiple times, stuck knives in my neck threatening to kill me, cut up my furniture, physically and sexually abused me with a multitude of people in 2 years and less, he was in jail over a year of the two years”, Bryce is now in PRISON NO ONE WILL INVESTIGATE HIM, FOR Kenny Joe Johnson, his family and all affected, and “All VICTIMS VICTIMIZED BY BRYCE PETERSON AND HIS PERFECT CIRCLE” SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS! Thank You and God bless all of us in Jesus name! SWIFT JUSTICE!
It seems like he definitely fits the profile, but I imagine they need time, place, and something more than convincing hearsay to do something about it.
Another body part was found in Keosauqua, IA (only about an hour from Burlington) from an unidentified male victim in February 2022. Just in case this may be connected.
My thoughts are that it doesn’t take a genius or rocket science to link or connect these murdered to either WW2 or my family from WW2 I mean quite many of them are on my family tree.
Rhonda’s brother Bob attends the same church that I do. It would be really nice for Bob and his family to finally get some closure by finding their loved-one’s killer.
What I find odd is that the B-I-L, Anthony Jackson, has no headstone. Jodi and their two kids share a headstone, but Anthony Sr;s name is nowhere to be found. There’s no separate headstone listed for him anywhere else either. It seems pretty obvious that he’s the one that killed Traci, but sadly hasn’t been proven.
I thought the same thing when I looked at her Find-a-Grave memorial too actually. I suspect you’re right, the family suspects Jackson Sr killed Traci and rightfully is distancing themselves, Jodi, and the children from him.
Too bad, Traci seemed like a lovely young lady robbed of a chance to live her life.
Coincidentally, I grew up a couple of miles from where Traci’s murder occurred.
Has there been any up dates? why don’t we put this on 48hrs or cold case !! we know the truth. What ever happened at the trailer was not good!! Craig was kill by his brother because he wanted to tell the truth!! So Jeff and Kevin got away with murder
Katie, I agree that the members of the Petersen family and Jeff Daly are responsible for the death of Kim. He borrows a car and pesters her to ride with him to pick up another girl for the party. Instead he takes her to a trailer and she ends up dead. He makes no effort to call 911 to get immediate medical attention for her.
Then the authorities sort of hide the fill extent of her injuries, Then they appear not to conduct a full investigation. Then the police identify Kim, as Jeff’s girlfriend. I assume they never interviewed Kim’s family, since they told them the full extent of her injuries.
Then one of the Petersen brothers died after an argument with his brother. Their mother appears to be non-chalant about the death of her son, possibly at the hands of another son, and their possible involvement in the death of of Kim.
These are adults whose actions resulted in the death of a minor, and the authorities take action or hold anyone responsible. I guess the residents of this community are okay with this.
A good lawyer, would look at filing wrongful death lawsuits at Jeff and the Petersens. Then we can get to the truth.
Most likely became intoxicated the night of new years eve and was abducted. She was last seen out around a large area of apartments so it is possible one of the residents of these apartments at the time might have something to do with it
She’s 7 months pregnant, gets into a fight with her bf & he says she gets out & chooses to walk the rest of the way at 7 months pregnant?
I have a hard time buying this.
I feel like he didn’t want the responsibility & that’s what they were fighting about.
I feel like it gout out of hand & she ended up dead.
Praying this is resolved.
Here we are almost to the 12 year mark. I can honestly say I was hoping this would all be over by now. Why we can’t get this case solved is frustrating as hell. Someone knows what happened and who did this…please step up and help get us answers to why…….
Are these old cold case is still being worked on? I want to help solve a cold case. Is there a place we can find out more information? For example was their DNA put in CODIS? It would be beneficial if some of these cases were opened up to the public to try to solve, especially old cold cases like this.
I do not have any first-hand information about this case, but found my way to this webpage as I grew up in the area.
In reading the case description, one thing I noticed that was unique physically about Ben was that he had been in an accident and sustained a skull fracture. Given the length of time between when he went missing and today, I suspect that Ben is likely deceased, but wondered if his remains may have been found but not properly identified as his. So I went to NamUs.gov and started searching for any unidentified remains that might match his physical description. I did find one record I thought might be worth following up on. Here is the summary of the information with a link:
White male, between 20-50 years old. Estimated height of 5’9. No estimated date of death. Found on December 3, 2012, when a hunter discovered skeletal remains in an area of wooded brush, several yards from any roadway in Sauget, Illinois.
Distinctive Physical Features – The decedent sustained a blunt force head injury resulting in a skull fracture during life. It is likely that medical records and imaging exist for the decedent as a result of this trauma. The decedent also sustained a broken nose during life.
Again, I have no first-hand knowledge of this case, and there is a lot that doesn’t match up here, such as the remains being found in Sauget, Illinois, which is a 4 ½ hour drive from Clinton. The description of clothing and coins found near the remains also doesn’t seem to match what Ben was wearing/had in his possession when he disappeared. However, the injuries to these remains were similar to injuries Ben sustained in life, and while the Iowa Cold Case description does not mention a broken nose, in reviewing his pictures, it appears he sustained a broken nose in the same area depicted in the FBI’s facial approximation image for these remains.
I hope the sharing of this information does not cause any of Ben’s loved ones additional heartache. I am sincerely sorry if it does. However, as several family and friends seem to monitor this page, I figured it was worth sharing on the off chance its a lead that has not already been investigated.
He is still alive, as of last summer and I believe he’s still alive now.
If someone can help me get in contact with someone who might be looking for him, other than the police or anyone in the public sector who would be intimidating. Preferably a person who he’s been close with in the past or someone that has a history in missing persons cases: I would like to meet with you and discuss this further.
Adult male skull found in 2013 in Jackson Township, IL. “Forensic Anthropologist from the University of Illinois indicates that the fractures surrounding the left and right maxillae are more extensive than a simple broken nose and would be noticeable in life.” I don’t know if Benjamin had fractures in the area of the scarring, but wondering if anyone has compared to see if it could be a match?
Yes, he is still alive. I still find it hard to see him doing this. He was my 6th grade teacher, I’ve known him for most of my life. A lot of people pointing fingers at him without even knowing him.
Mr. Knapp, thanks for the information you submitted. However, the names you provided are nice, but law enforcement needs further information on these two individuals. Thus would include a date of birth, also what information that you might know that connects them to the crime. Besides having a criminal history, for this type of crime.
One of the other problems in this case, is that the original murder took place in 1966. Then the letter naming the woman, came in 1976. We don’t know if the original case reports still exist. Also, do they still have any physical evidence, such as fingerprints, shell cases, etc.
Also, a district attorney has to look at the evidence and say yes or no to approving charges.
I am Patty’s first cousin, her father and my mother are brother and sister. I just learned about this today, decided to do some research. Don’t know anything about who is who either. Have never heard any talk of any kind, Patty died in 2014
Maybe some day there will be someone with a decent soul to help solve this case for my Dad and Debbie, god rest their souls. Ray had one Child me and that is it to the person above that does not no what they are talking about.
I think I have information on this. I think that there was a group of people that would frame and murder people from around this town. The Mayberry case is one that is involved. The dewoody case.
Paul sueppel was a police officer at the time. And I think the same group that killed Mayberry and killed dewoody also were involved with this
I did some searching and I think he still is. In his 70s and is living in South Dakota. Wish they would reopen this and test those bone fragments with todays technology. It’s very clear what happened here.
I’ve always had my own theory. People ask how no one woke up? I have always believed. They invited someone they knew over for dinner. Or they were hiding in the attic. Thus the uneaten food. And they had some how drugged everyone in the house. Through their food. Therefore they never woke during the attacks. This happened way before forensic science. So who knows.
but Lena had a defense wound on her arm if they had been drugged then that wouldn’t make sense
1 its a Hassel and quite difficult considering that the killer(s) had poisoned the occupants when there where 6 other children in the house not including the parents who could have walked in at any time.
2 there where no reports of another person in the house also they had just come from a meal at the church they wouldn’t cook a whole meal if no one was going to eat it.
3 in ur theory u also stated “people ask how no one woke up” but you’ve gotta keep in mind they where killed in there beds the lack of friction in the mattresses would have caused it to be almost silent. another point to this is that we know the parents and a few of the children had slept next to each other, if u look hard enough you’ll be able to find evidence that the axes Handel was longer by about5 1/2 inched with how elongated the axe was the killer(s) would have been easily able to reach the axe to the opposite end of the bed crushing the skull of the victim on the left while also causing substantial damage to the victim on the right.
4. following my claim with how long the axe was the person on the left would at least have a concussion and have passed out AT LEAST then the killer(s) could have easily focused on the victim closest to them killed that person and then ended the life of the victim on the left.
If any of the family of Colleen reads this you may want to follow the Donal Studey investigation in Thurman Iowa. Lucy Studey Mckiddy his daughter claims he killed multiple people and was witness to it. One of the people she claims was a 15 year old which is close to Colleen’s age. You may want to follow this case if they are able to excavate and find remains.
Long shot but Donald Studey investigation in Thurman Iowa. Lucy Studey McKiddy claims one of the murdered victims was 15 and Colleen was 14. I just felt like I should mention this in case they find remains. I’ve continuously thought of this girl since I moved to Bedford. In case someone is reading this who’s family you may want to follow that case.
I lived right around the corner and walked down to Hyvee the same night and time as he went missing. I would have walked down the same block he did. Always wondered if I missed something, If I would have seen something if I was looking around.
Was there an investigation done at the time or during the time she was identified? Cause of death? Any issues in her personal life at the time? Cold cases are solved everyday with news fresh eyes and attention.
Here we are in 2022. Has there been any DNA evidence processed? Even though hard to process but if DNA was not collected at the time, there is an option for exhuming the sweet baby and with advances in ancestral DNA and the popularity it might be worth a chance at finally getting justice for him.
Why would there be a Boy Scout camp-out in February? It’s the second coldest month of the year, on average, in Iowa. Were they actually sleeping in tents outside or would they have been in a building? I find it kind of bizarre to be camping outside in the winter. Most campgrounds in Iowa are closed that time of year.
I found that alarming too but apparently it was the norm.
I never fell in with extra curricular activites so I’m no one to judge.
It does appear strange though that not only was it cold February but they were also playing outdoors AT NIGHT.
That poor family.
This case is frustrating. Mr. Anderson is found injured on November 30, 1987, and dies the next day. There are no details, on how he was injured. I guess he purposely walked real fast into a brick wall, and the medical examiner could not figure out how he died.
So, the police department keeps it a secret to protect the investigation. So But wants the public’s help to them figure out how he was injured. So, I guess providing a few tidbits, such as was he shot, stabbed, beaten, thrown off a tall building.
So, he has been dead over 30 some years and the Davenport Police are still protecting the investigation. Maybe they don’t want the public to know that they mishandled something in the investigation.
Here in Chicago, two girls ages 17cand 13 were found murdered in September 1972, in Washington Park. They were shot with a .32 caliber firearm, also their bodies were positioned in the shape of the letter VEE. Their murder has not been solved, but we know the cause of death and the caliber of firearm used.
I later learned from someone, that the 17 year old girl, worked at the restaurant and motel for truckers. However, the place was owned by a member of the Chicago Mob, who worked for some senior mob leaders in the Bridgeport section of Chicago.
I recently came across a book about unsolved murder in Canaryvill section of Chicago. Canaryville borders Bridgeport. A high school senior was shot in a drive by in the same time frame. The shooting was witnessed and they went to the police. However, the offender was the son of a local mob guy, so he was protected by his dear old dad, and the senior leadership of the Chicago Police Department, and the mayor.
The offender later shot and killed his girlfriend with a .32 caliber firearm. Again he was protected by fear old dad.
But, at least we have some details to work with. So, maybe someday the Davenport Police will admit to some details before a certain place freezes over.
Who exactly reported that she was planning to hitchhike to Iowa City, and also who exactly reported seeing her hitchhiking around 6pm the evening of the 18th? Also, why could the firearm used never be identified? From what I understand 4 rounds were discharged and the caliber or make, model or the gun was never revealed.
I have been told twice,
that jeffrey bond was the killer via his daughter and friend, Bond died last year. I dont believe anyone jokes about stuff like that.
Thank you LuAnn — as his killer sits in a Wisconsin prison only to be released in July 2024 we can only imagine what madness grows. This person, IMO, is a classic example of a sociopath with no feelings or remorse whatsoever. The most dangerous of the dangerous. The DCI guys commented that, “he’s something” when I asked about the conversations with him. He did try to kill his girlfriend, but got the attempted murder charge dropped. I guess he had threatened to kill her whole family too. Yeah, he’s a real gem. Good luck Wisconsin.
Why have they not done reverse DNA? I heard they had a person of interest and this may have been a murder for hire. She was a good person and did not deserve this.
I find it really incredible, that if the local agencies had no one properly trained to process the crime scene. This did not take place in the 1950’s, 60’s or 1970’s, but in 2007.
They should had an agreement, with the DCI, another law enforcement agency, FBI or whoever to someone process the crime scene.
Also, they should have also had the building restricted and posted no entry until the fire department of state fire marshal could certify that it was safe for entry.
The FBI has mobile crime scene teams that are trained, and could have been requested.
I’m sure they have, if I recall his name is all over Dustin Honken trial. Mason City PD has clearly shown us who they suspect with these GPS warrant years ago,.
The murder of Jackie Folkerts in 1999 was committed by Brad Erdahl. DNA from the scene was matched to him and he admitted to killing her. Doesn’t look like anyone else was ever involved in her death.
Billy Pruin’s death is considered an accident by his family, as per their own investigation into it. He was carrying the gun and somehow it went off (theory is he tripped) and killed him. I think his daughters would like people to stop thinking his death was a murder or somehow connected to Jodi Huisentruit’s disappearance.
I think you clearly are off on your own “island” with some of your theories. Billy Pruin very clearly and obviously died in a terrible accident. Haven’t you studied the evidence? And JV is 100% responsible for what happened to Jodi. Look at the timeline. The events leading up to. He lied about her being over at his place the night before. Why do you suppose he did that? Look at the birthday party video. Him picking her up and holding her like she is his in his mind. Classic case of “if I can’t have you no one ever will” by a man with a very aggressive, hair-trigger temper.
I’d like to know what proof there is that Pruin was on the Vansice boat outings. He was never mentioned as being on the trips in any of the documentaries or books or interviews about Jodi’s case.
I also read over Brad Erdahl’s case and there was no mention in any of the articles that were available or even in his appeals that there was a passenger in his car the night he killed Jackie. I think if there’d been someone else with him, he would’ve thrown that person under the bus and said they were the killer.
Angela Johnson and Dustin Honken were the killers of DeGeus, Nicholson, Duncan and her daughters. Again, no other person was mentioned as being involved in those murders besides those two. And they were both cagey enough to have thrown another person under the bus in a hot minute in order to save their own evil skins.
I just don’t think this Ryerson is the criminal mastermind who is behind a bunch of the unsolved cases in northern Iowa. The MO’s are different, the victims are different, the case situations are different. Even the investigating agencies are different, so even if one agency missed evidence in one of the crimes, surely another agency would’ve found evidence in the crime they were investigating. So if he’s behind all of them, why hasn’t there been any evidence to link him to them? If he’s cocky enough to pull off that many crimes, you’d think he’d get sloppy somewhere and leave DNA or trace evidence behind.
I believed what my family said at the time and still believe to this day. A Dubuque Police officer committed this crime. It was known as a police restaurant and officers were known to be there at all hours. There is a reason no progress was ever made in this case and the only reason is because an officer was involved. Back then the Dubuque police was known to ” protect the badge ” at all cost. I was raised in that town in an area known then as the “flats” and I can attest to just how crocked the PD was back then. 1 honest cop in the bunch and that was “Pig Smitty”. He had a pigs head belt buckle and a tattoo the said “proud to be a pig” with a pigs head on his forearm.
Mr. Wilmot. I would agree with you, but her murder actually look like a rage killing. It appears someone was upset with her, for whatever reason.
I agree that the crime scene was mishandled, but then that was sort of the way, things were done, back then. How, the crime scene is handled and processed, including taking pictures can provide many answers. It surprises me that she was hidden in a cooler. The other thing, that bugs me is this is a restaurant, yet there is no cook. Did she do everything at this place.
There have been any number of women killed by being stabbed more than the 30 times that Jackie was. A 18-year-woman, was found murdered in New Jersey. She died on blunt force trauma, to both sides of her head. Then she was stabbed 66 times after she was already dead from a skull fracture. This incident took place in 1965.
In Wisconsin another young woman, working late to answer the phones at a manufacturing plant, was stabbed to death over 100 times. Her boyfriend was looked at. However, hexwas basic training and laterxshipped out for Vietnam. He was killed in action.
Plus, the weapon of choice was a pair of scissors, and not a knife. A knife in a restaurant would definitely be a weapon of choice.
You refer to the area called the flats. I assume that is an area from the A & B bar was down towards the river. I am somewhat familiar with Dubuque. Have not been there in a number of years. I remember the single lane toll bridge going to Wisconsin, and the restaurant there.
I have a few questions. They were last seen at an auction in Stuart. It makes me wonder if they purchased something, that someone wanted really badly and was outbid. Maybe it was something they might have sold at that auction.
Then we have their truck stolen and then dumped 200 miles away. Which seem a long way to drive a vehicle and dump it. Also, I wonder what route they may have taken to get from Norwalk, to Kansas City. Such as taking Interstate-35 or U.S. Highway 69. It might be that Kay, body was dumped along the way.
But, why take her along. Was it someone they knew and trusted, and if they truck was seen by driven by a stranger might have attracted attention. But. If she was along for the ride, it would be okay.
Another question is does the auction house, have any clients in Kansa City, that they might send them a flyer about the auction.
These are all good questions that we asked back when this all began. Unfortunately we have little to no information. William’s truck did have on star but what they have found from that we do not know. The dci did go to auction house but no information of what came of that has been shared. We have gotten vague timelines as to when they left the auction (sometime around its ending) when the truck arrived at the apartment complex in Missouri. (Late afternoon early evening) and the fire started around 11 pm…….most of what we have are rumours, and not very many answers or updates from the DCI…..William was shot multiple times, whoever did this to them is still out there. They deserve justice and we the family deserve answers….Thank you all who are helping keep this alive with questions, sharing the story or fliers on Facebook etc. And even for the theories and questions I disagree with! (My grandmother did not do this to William she too is a victim) but I understand speculating and wondering and as upsetting as it is to see that too keeps their story out there. So again Thank You!
My sincere condolences on the loss of your mother Kay and William. I am just learning of this case. Could you please tell me if your uncle Ross Allen has any relation to Richard Matthew Allen? Thank you.
I don’t understand this at all. An ancestry.com test costs a few hundred bucks – why on earth can’t the DNA be run through a database like that? What am I missing?
I am sorry but the testing and the necessary research runs about $5000.00. However, there are organizations that take donations and provide the funds the do the testing
I have come across an individual who has kicked his own money to find the cost of the tests.
id say lets do it regardless of cost. its amazing how much our local and federal government will waste on endless wars and funding ukraine but will not even blink an eye to figure out whose child this was
I have been reading through all of the comments regarding William and Kay Wood. I am the oldest child of Kay. She has six children three live in Iowa and three live in Maine. I live in Maine and I can tell you it is very difficult for us to believe that we still have no information regarding the disappearance of our mother. I see lot of posting regarding William. He was a wonderful man and so good to my mother. They visited me in Maine once a year and would have been making the annual trip after William’s birthday. Although sad William’s family has some closure as they have their father’s body. We have nothing, we have no closure. All we are asking at this time is to find out where our mother is so that we can have some closure. Find her and worry about who did it later. I have started letter writing to Warren County Sheriff Dept. regarding the case as they are handling the case. It is very confusing as to who is doing what sometimes I don’t know if the right hand knows what the left is doing, but I keep hoping that they come up with something. Don’t want this to be a cold case. If you know anything about where to find our mother please, please let someone know
I believe you are right. Although we all would love closure as to who and why. Knowing what happened to To Kay should be top of the list. We both lost the people we loved that night. But we only know what happened to my father and were able to lay him to rest. I’ve never stopped thinking about Kay or wondering if it may be possible to lay her to rest also. We all need answers. Please believe me when I say my heart feels your pain and your loss. This case needs to be re opened.
Krista,
I knew Steve when he lived in New Jersey. He worked for me for a couple of years. He would often talk about his two sisters and his grandmother back in Iowa. I hope they find out what happened to him.
Art Capriotti
I was 4 years old when this happened, and I lived right next door. My mom, who is now deceased, always said she believed that Darleen was buried under the basement floor. She believed this because she said she was awakened in the middle of the night to the sounds of loud banging coming from the corner house. She didn’t remember for sure what the date was, but she felt it coincided with the date that this woman disappeared. My mom and Darleen were neighborly friends and were only a year apart in age. I’m sure my parents were probably interviewed by the police at some point during the investigation due to their bedroom being directly next to the Fitchett home. I sincerely hope that at some point, if her remains are really buried at 717 Franklin, someone will find them so she can have a proper burial…
Ken Whitehead II, thank you for stopping by Mother’s Cold Case site. Mother’s body was not found in the basement during the DMPD dig there. I can only imagine what plans Father had to dispose of her body. Like the “Bog Man” what is left of her will be found someday. Remember to honor Jodi who keeps my Mother in our memory. I must say I am mortified that your Mum and Dad had to hear the disturbing things going on in that house that night.
Julia Day Torres, As I explained to my high school sweetheart, Mother’s Cold case site is the incorrect forum for anyone to be discussed except Mother and her murder. Respect for Jody and her work is a sacred thing to my Family. My reclusive life is of no interest to you. Please move forward with your life, not back.
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Cindy Haffner, thank you for visiting Mother’s cold case site.I am happy that you are blessed and healthy .Please remember this site is not Facebook. It is a serious work to forward the investigation of the unsolved murder of Darleen Fitchett. Unless you have new information pertaining to this case please don’t post on this site.
Common denominators; The boys were paper boys, they all were abducted
In the Des Moines area, they were all the same age group,. Look for what is there that belongs there,Molokai for what belongs there but is missing, look for what is there tha should not be, and ask who stands to gain from the actions taken. Ask who was in the area, and left the area after the crime/s.
Ask who acts “that way” and check if they bought handcuffs, rope, condoms
-Maybe a lot of kids were sexually attacked, but only a few were killed. Millhouse had other victims, as did other pedophiles from the Des Moines Register, like Frank Sykora and his older brother. Those kids weren’t killed. Other pedophiles in that area had victims who weren’t killed.
-Maybe the sicko that did this gave a sick treat to themselves, and killed a kid every few years on a holiday.
-Maybe there were attempts that we don’t know about. After the last boy, Marc, went missing the kidnappings stopped. This conveniently happened after Millhouse was arrested. There were also other pedophiles in Des Moines busted around that time. However, there were kidnapping attempts until 1989. Then it all stops. I don’t know what happens in 1989 that finally ends it all.
-Maybe the kidnapper moved around to different states and towns. To avoid being caught.
There are people who believe I had something to do with Ryan’s death and to be truthful I don’t understand how someone would even mention My name unless that same someone had something to hide.
I also want to include that there once was a female officer of Leon by the name of Blake Kofoid who once told Me something I will never forget. She was in tears when She told Me She believed Me and that She knew I had no part in His death. She stated that there was a female who was not in uniform in decatur County who had the authority to discontinue DCI’s investigation with the case. Something about lack of evidence and I believe some political BS concerning jurisdiction or the length in timing of the investigation. Furthermore I do understand now and am led to have determined and in My own belief that the woman She didn’t know who but the woman She had spoke to Me about is Lisa Jeanes whom is also known as the decatur County district attorney. Lisa Jeanes has a nephew who is named Nick Phelps whom I am led to believe is one individual behind Ryan’s death. I pray that Ryan’s family and others as well as Myself will one day see the justice that is deserved! I wish I knew more that I could say however I must leave that to Ryans family. More specifically His Mother Tammy. I am so sorry that I was not there to help Ryan when He needed it the most and if He is watching I just gotta say that I Love Him like a brother and I will never stop piecing the facts. Fact is Belinda Reed You are guilty of knowing some critical information in regards to this. Also why was Ryan’s FBT never spoken of when found and pulled out the ditch next day on h45 north of leon. Also what about this gun that Ben Grove had spoken of seeing when interacting with either Ryan’s babies momma or Nick Phelps or the two individuals altogether. May We solve this one day and place all corrupt officials on the stand and out of office. Lisa Jeanes You are protecting either Your nephew or You are protecting Your interests. I’m confused because I thought all people had to follow by the same rules and laws which are supposed to be applied to US all but I guess just as Angela Hill gets special treatment from the prosecution so does Lisa Jean’s and all other corrupt officials or non officials working amongst Us with legal authority in the Decatur County iowa and other surrounding areas!!! Try to prove Me wrong and U may just solve this case!
Just watched Accused, I believe the ‘evidence’ doesn’t prove or disprove John. The whole time I was leaning towards the father Bill’s involvement but I don’t think that was clear cut either. I think the whole investigation was conducted with tunnel vision and Ludwick/Ludwig (whatever his name) was embarrassing and proved he never followed up because he went with his own judgement! Not facts! I personally don’t believe Jason committed this crime.
I agree fully. Sadly once tunnel vision becomes the direction of any case the evidence does not take the investigator/s in the right direction. This case may never truly be solved because Ludwig’s tunnel vision meant that many issues were not followed up on and quite possibly evidence was ignored that didn’t fit his theory.
As someone who studied Criminology, I struggle to understand his thinking and his processes. Whether a Cold Case Team could solve this case is something that without all the complete facts is doubtful
So many lives have been ruined completely because of this very sad case. Not only did they loose a wife, mother, daughter, sister etc but false accusations hang over all involved as long as the true culprit is not caught, send to trial and found guilty. My prayer is that the Police finally do their job right and start from scratch with open hearts and minds and follow only the evidence to it rightful conclusion.
Hi Betsy. Wanted to ask if there has been any updates to your Dad? Your Dad had dated my mom. Your Dad was always very sweet towards me. Always had a smile on his face and was so welcoming when I would see him at my moms. I pray there will be a day your family receives resolution for your Dad.
Hey there will be because I will never give up to finding him. So bill jr better know that!! Because we are fighting for Douglas. I have video of of grandpa loyal there and it’s great to hear his voice and see him. Even though I never met him before!! I’m loyal s grand daughter, and I am the one who will solve this case I promise u that!!
Anyway, if you go in to 57 seconds, there is a written statement:
“Jesse Nimaja y Abel Efebo unidos por siempre tiene un relacion.” This means Jesse Nimaja and Abel Efebo are united forever and have a relationship.
Jeff Gannon is Johnny.. changed his name few times but always keeps the initials the poor soul here thinking he’s Jonny needs help .. noreen has personally met jeff now and they’re keeping that private . You must understand that Jeff is in a very special situation and only those privy to that information know. Noreen and Jeff are in contact and that is all I will say so please respect their privacy and to that man who thinks he’s Johnny . It’s very sad that you are experiencing this . Please get help and for the missing memories in you’re life please don’t add other people’s memories to suit you I’m sure you will find the truth eventually. I’d like to add this even though it’s all very sad , noreen is full welll in the knowledge regarding what happened to Johnny and has some sort of peace of mind now and will not be looking further on the quest to find Johnny as she doesn’t have to now . Make if it what you will but please like we asked leave the family alone and Thankyou fir all of you’re concern over the years .
My memory isn’t great, but I seem to remember a mcdonald ave having a 50313 zip code. If that’s correct, the address would be a north and south street, just north of Euclid.
I am a life long resident of Des Moines. Born and raised. I am not familiar with McDonald Ave. Even when I google it, nothing comes up. Is it possible the street name has changed since this awful murder? Just trying to find out where this took place. I haven’t heard of Frank’s place either but I’m sure it’s a different business now.
McDonald is at the intersection of Dixon and Euclid Ave. McDonald is north of Euclid while Dixon is on the south side of Euclid. If you go north, Franks Place was on the west side of the street on the corner of McDonald and Madison Ave. It has a chain link fence surrounding the building and is now a detail shop I believe. The gun man shot dad from across the street on top of the hill. Dad worked at Ford Implement factory that was at the end of McDonald Ave where it T’s into Aurora Ave. Frank, the owner lived just behind the bar in a brick house at 1707 Madison Ave. Hopefully this helps with you finding the place.
Kat, it seems your information points to the gunman, being in a different location, then what is posted on this forum. So, it could point to someone specifically targeting your father and not for the money and beer stolen.
Also, there is no information on the caliber of firearm identified. That is something missing in the public information on many shootings and murders
Sometimes, the authorities identify the caliber, sometimes they don’t. In one cold case in Chicago, from the early 1970’s, the girls were shot in the head, with a .42ccaliber firearm. In another cold case in Elgin, Illinois, a young girl was taken from her farm home and shot with a small caliber firearm. Which makes me wonder, why that information was withheld.
So, it could be that someone had a grudge, either a fellow employee from where he worked or possibly blamed him for some slight.
We periodically hear of gang bangers shooting someone because he disrespected the shooter. We routinely hear of rap artists who get shot or murdered around the country.
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Three person of interest that should be looked at.
#1: Jerry Wintz: Jerry was part of the 5 guys that went to prison for the child sex ring. He was Chatsworth The Reindeer at Merle Hay May and lived at 6114 Rollins Avenue ( 8 minutes from where Johnny was kidnapped ). What interesting about Jerry is if you look at the profile of the Omaha Paperboys the FBI said the killer would be a loner and would take jobs that would interact with children and most likely be a soccer coach or scoutmaster which John J. Joubert was a scout leader. Jerry is involved in the Boy Scouts Sexual Cases. https://boyscoutssexualabuse.com/wp-content/uploads/iv_files/bsa_jerry-d-wintz.pdf. He doesn’t look like the person in the sketch and was 235lbs, but depending on his sex ring he may be involved in some way. Jerry worked at the Iowa State Fair – I find it odd that Johnny left for his paper route without his dad because he was going to go to the Iowa State Fair and Eugene article mentioned the Iowa State Fair – IS there a connection to the Iowa State Fair back in those days like Peony Park’s Sprite Night was in Omaha?
#2: Sam Soda: Sam was the private investigator who involved himself in the case and supposedly told Noreen that an “informant” told they knew when the next paperboy would go missing. Sam ran for City Council in which he was caught in a lie stating he received some war medals. In the article that mentions Sam running for city Council it list his home address as 14th and Emma. Marc Allen went missing from 10th & Emma and Eugene went missing from SW 14th & Highview. Both of these locations are roughly like 5 minutes apart of each other. Sam also lived in Martindale, Iowa at some point would would put him in the Warren County area ( The license plate was warren county ). Sam wewnt to Dowling High School and would be familiar with the location Johnny went missing. Sam also travelled lived in Buffalo, NY and Kansas City and travelled a lot when he worked for Robert Bosch company – It’s mentioned that Sam as a private investigator would drive around at night and possible he may have shown the boys some type of badge to make them feel comfortable in talking with him. Sam was also a Polk County Deputy according in one of the articles and Noreen said Johnny was talking to some type of cop under the bleachers at her other son’s. Sam is also a dead ringer for the sketch that was taken and his family came from Italy that might make him look more latin as the description indicates. Does Noreen seem more crazy in here theories because of Sam’s involvement?
#3: John J. Joubert: The Omaha paperboy killer actually killed an 11 year old boy 14 days before Johnny Gosch went missing in Maine. The thing is in the 14 days there is no real information on the whereabouts of John J. Joubert. He at some point had to report to Bellvue, Nebraska Offuett Air Force Base. John Joubert fits the weight and height of the sketch and in most of his pictures he really looks like three different types of people. John Joubert was driving a tan Nova Sedan which looks similiar to the Ford Fairmont. The main difference with John Joubert is all his victims were found and Johnny has never been discoved and he was arrested before Eugene Martin and Marc Allen went missing.
Wilbur Millhouse would be another potential player, but yellowbag who says he was approached by someone knew who Wilbur was, but did see they guy who approached him with Wilbur at a some type of Des Moines Register event. Wilbur had 2200 peoples names in a book and said he was trying to recruit paperboys. Was Johnny and Eugene’s name in this book?
The man who tried to abduct me in 1982 was driving a Ford Fairmont, not a Chevy Nova. I remember the two rectangular headlights, which was I see online was standard for the Fairmont Futura that came out in 1978. The car was covered with snow, but I remember it as white, or maybe two-tone white and grey. Funny thing–I went out East for college in 1986, and had a girlfriend who drove an old Fairmont. It creeped me out every time I saw her car coming because I remembered the evil dude who tried to get me into that same kind of car four years earlier.
It’s hard to remember a lot of details 40 years after the fact, but I don’t think Joubert would have been old enough to be the man who tried to abduct me. I’m guessing the abductor was at least 25 years old. The thing I remember the most is his orange and blue reflective jacket, and the way he kept looking in his rearview mirror to see if anyone saw him talking to me. He did not look like the photo of Wintz at all, or John Rossi’s sketch of the guy at 42nd and Ashworth the morning Johnny was kidnapped. Dark hair, angry dark eyes, well-trimmed mustache, Caucasian, and accent like he was from somewhere out East.
I actually met Sam Soda through the Faded Out podcast and had lunch with him. Anyone who thinks Sam was involved is barking up the wrong tree. Yes, Sam could brag and tell some stories, but he came across to me as a guy with a big heart. Sam thought the kidnapper was a total lone wolf (if he partnered with anyone someone would have ratted him out for reward).
Yellow Bag,
I’ve been following your story through this post, and I find your story regarding the Gosch disappearance to be the most truthful, and logical.
Are you at liberty to expound on your conversation with Sam Soda?
You have made prior mention to Wilbur Mihouse, and his strange behavior and comments regarding Johnny, do you feel that Milhouse was physically present on the morning of 9/5/1982? If, yes? Did someone assist Milhouse?
Or, do you believe that another party is responsible?
Thank you Yellow Bag for your honesty, and candor.
Dave
Sam talked to criminals, pedophiles, and even Mafia types. He came up with exactly nothing. His final thoughts were that only one man kidnapped Johnny, not a group of men. If it were a group, someone would have talked by now. Sam also believed the man was probably connected with the Des Moines Register.
I do not know if Millhouse was physically present. He was, though, repeatedly claiming to know who took Johnny and why from the day Johnny was kidnapped. Millhouse became angry and visibly agitated every time he talked about Johnny. I have no doubt he was involved, but I have never figured out to what extent. Millhouse probably had dozens of victims (he received a 30 year sentence for sexually abusing 6 teens), and I still think the key to solving Johnny’s disappearance is for one of those victims to reveal the identity of the Fairmont man. Someone who knew Millhouse knows who that man is.
Yellow Bag, thank you for sharing this valuable piece of information. Did Sam have any thoughts about the Martin and/or Allen abductions? Sam made a comment in an interview that the Gosch and Martin abductions were slightly different. Did he make any comments as to how or why the abductions may have differed? Sam also made mention about how both Martin and Allen were taken within a short radius of Sam’s home.
The victims of Frank Sykora, and his brother James Sykora, might also know something. Those kids would be men in their 50’s and 60’s now. At least some of them must still be alive. All three men worked at the paper. They could have been in the same pedophile circle together.
Yellow bag. Are you aware of Ken Newell? He attempted to kidnap a wdm paper boy in 78. Was a scout leader and school janitor. Should have been around 32 years old at the time of your encounter. Dark hair and mustasch.
yellowbag, have you seen the unreleased police sketch in the gosch case? The one you are reffering to is from noreens PI’s.
Although i think whoever took theese paperboys were local, have you seen pictures of Larry Eyler? A serial killer (1982-1983) around Indiana and chicago at the time with 20-30 young male victims.
While searching, I found his name to be associated with an AKA Linn, Allen Snyder that goes by Linn, Allen. The same source showed a current address of 2221 S Indiana Ave., Joplin, MO. since March 2016. It also showed a past address and AKA matching Snyder, Linn Allen – 21950 Green Valley Ave., Council Bluffs, IA.
Associated persons listed on the site (also listing Linn’s former Council Bluffs address) were a Snyder, Jimmie Wayne and Snyder, Amy Neomi (married) belonging to the same address 2221 S Indiana Ave., Joplin, MO. since 2008, which I verified on the Jasper County Missouri Beacon site.
I completed a search of Snyder, Amy N on Spokeo which returned to a female in her 70s living in Joplin, MO. Under the “Family Members” section read “Amy resides in a single family home in Joplin, Missouri with Jimmie.” as well as “Amy and Linn Snyder reside together in a single family home in Joplin, Missouri.”
I guess I don’t know the source is just associating Linn with the address in Missouri, but I found it odd that Jimmie and Amy belonged to the address starting in 2008, while Linn starting in 2016 – and maybe something to look further into.
Thanks for obtaining that info. I know people from that Green Valley Avenue area. I’ll inquire if they knew Linn.
This case always intrigued me. So much missing information as if he were a loner. 280 lbs is a big guy to take down so I gotta wonder if he and that bike were lured somewhere.
I love that the police department could not take the time to provide us the public.on how Mr. Wright was murdered. I assume an autopsy was conducted by a coroner or medical examiner. The cause of death. should at least be provided to back up their claim, that he was murdered. I guess it wasn’t important.
Recently county authorities in Pennsylvania, are reinvestigating the death of a young women. She was found stabbed to death, and it was determined that she committed suicide although she was stabbed in the back and her neck.
Authorities did not find any signs of forced entry, so she stabbed herself to death. I guess it was not worth it to determine that she might have let her killer into her residence, possibly someone she knew.
Has anyone ever looked into Reza Kargarzadeh? He is a wealthy business man in West Des Moines with a private jet. He has plastic manufacturing plants throughout the country and family ties to Colorado. He looks like the suspect composite.
He wasn’t wealthy only middle class the year Johnny was abducted. In Persian and Afgan culture it is common for a thing called boy play where its a status symbol to have boys for sex slaves and pleasure. “Straight” men do this as part of the Islamic culture all the time and as disgusting as it is even the women accept it.
I know that he has been involved in lots of illegal activity including recording sex tapes to pass around. He is known for providing favors, jobs, etc. He is a master at grooming young moms with children. The locations of his plastic plants should be aligned with other cases as he is known to frequently travel using a private jet to his business location where I am sure he does other activities.
Here are the locations of his manufacturing. Interestingly one is in Mexico. He has family ties in Colorado, California and Florida. He has also been known to travel internationally to places like Iran.
EPC plastic manufacturing is the name of the business. EPC, Inc. plants span across the following US locations:
Alabama: Bessemer and Leeds
Indiana: Scottsburg
Iowa: Corporate Office, Grinnell and Kalona
Kentucky: Lebanon
Mexico: Reynosa
Michigan: Saint Clair (Christian Haas Dr. and Range Rd.)
Missouri: Columbia North Carolina: Siler City
Ohio: Bellevue and Lebanon
South Carolina: Anderson
Wisconsin: East Troy and Osceola
Has anyone ever looked into Reza Kargarzadeh? Is is a wealthy business man in West Des Moines known to be above the law and excellent at grooming women with children. He looks like the photo and fits the description only he is not latin but Persian.
He has a private jet with manufacturing plants all over the country. He has signifcant family ties to Colorado. Strangely although in different neighborhoods (still very close by) he lives on the same street as Johnny Gosch. I have more information that I would love to share but it would reveal my identity.
He is no doubt in operation with human trafficking even if he is not part of this abduction. I have more details but I cannot share here or would reveal my identity.
Justice- is there any way you can provide more detail as to how you know these things without revealing your identity? Have you had an encounter with him before?
He mi brother and I’m going to find who kill u I love u bro always
I want u to be able to rest in peace
I miss u so much it hurts to mi soul
Your sis Georgia
I have so many questions. The only reason I came upon this was because u googled unsolved murders in Appanoose County. It brought up this woman and the Deteach man murdered at his home. I don’t know how often this page is updated but there is nothing about the Ty Husted case. And I find it very disturbing is agencies say she’ll never be found, she’s either in a well or buried in Missouri…very odd, a friend of mine said someone had said the same thing about Ty. I find it absurd that Appanoose County law enforcement has so many cop cars sitting in their parking lot but do not have funds to even attempt to find missing people, whuch don’t mind the new jail being built here. I understand with Crystal happened in Wayne County but counties don’t work together nor was the Ty case ever brought to public attention. I feel Appanoose County should shift their focus on important matters other than “drug busts” that never change. Same people in and out of jail. But what do I know….
I searched Sebastian Husted’s case again. One thing that bothers me is that he disappeared from a hog farm, where he had been working for a few weeks. I assume this hog farm has a formal name, unless it’s a unauthorized farm.
Also, I assume that Sebastian was an employee of this hog farm.
So, it bothers me, that they should have been concerned about one of their employees who disappeared.
Yet, we hear nothing from them. Their should be some comment from them, showing their concern, oroffering a reward. This sort of makes me wonder, about some suspicious activity going on there.
Also, could he been seriously injured, and did not want OSHA, coming in and finding out they violated federal safety regulations. In my time enforcing federal pollution regulations with the U.S. Coast Guard, many facilities had issues with OSHA inspector’s, who assume you are guilty, and not innocent until proven innocent.
Also, his brother gets some text’s supposedly from Sebastian. The text’s asked him to come and get him. Yet, his family has no clue where he is working at. Also, the text’s seem to claim that his co-worker, also unidentified is supposedly getting aggressive. I wonder if this text was actually sent by him. Yet, his family is unaware of any previous problems with any co-workers.
There is no explanation of what the co-worker was doing. Also, pictures of Sebastian mention his tattoos, which gave me the impression that he was a gang banger. Which might explain his disappearance, as revenge for possibly leaving the gang, or his refusal to do something illegal.
I have new recovered memeries involving this satanic political cult manipulating this web site to delete my testimony from this web site about 5 to 10 years ago I had put several post on this site that contained most of the results of my investagation at that time. Shortly thereafter
Mdybe 5 to 10 years ago all my post on this site were caused to be removed by the satanic political cult. I assume Jody Ewing would have a record of this. And be a honest witness. She has not responded to my email. Can somebody find when why how and what evedince was retained to prove this act of the cover-up?
My mistake, they were not deleted but are under the Johnny Gosch photos.
This recovered memory still needs corroborated. It’s a memory of me being subjected to one of programming hypnotism sections , always by force and unable to remember afterwards, where the perpitrators were trying to sirpress my testimony. There was a phone call made to this website and the conversation involved the removal of the post. The person s[oken to was a lady IDK who and they s[oke to me briefly and to the lead programmer who was working for the CIA. He spoke for some time explaining other actions he wou;d take to have the post removed. This memory is most likely not fully emerged and has other memory fragments that will further emerge. I do not try and force them but each time I think of them there’s a chance that they have expanded where others disassociated memory fragments have reconnected to there original memory. I have decided to include this to help the reader have a better understand of how my memories have been e, erhing these past 14 years and how I have always tried to be open about them. My memory of this conversation between this web site and the perpitrrater still needs to be looked into. And should demonstrate the danger that me continuing to be outspoken about this is effecting me and how my creditabilty is damaged each time they make me forget or attempt to alter mine or Noreen’s memories.
I am glad they keep these cases open. They identified the guy that was found in lake Meade. I bought A small farm near tiffin thirty years ago. After buying it I bought a bulldozer. The guy I bought the farm from said not dig any holes on the place. He told me he buried some farm machinery. Then a a few years later I told him I was going to dig up that junk and haul it to the wilton shredder. He told me something’s are best left buried. . I often wondered what was really buried there. I know he had a barrel of agent orange and figur Ed maybe it was something like that. Then an elderly neighbor told me that whole place was buried with construction waste. I notified the DNR that the place may have toxic wastes buried on it. Never heard anything back. Then due to a chain of unfortunate circumstances including major illness I lost my little farm. Somebody should follow up on this. Lewis Cassill the address of the place is 4018 Ivy Ave SW Oxford Iowa. The burial of this stuff was in the seventies and eighties
The Government Cover-up narritive is primarily promoted by members of “THIS” Satanic political cult. Most members are NOT consciously aware that they are in the cult, like Noreen and most of our related families. The people I refer to as perpitrators are the conscious member who starting at about puberty consciously aware they are in the cult and are further trained to become monarch programmers in a 30 year menter protosai relationship who work in together. They drug and hypnotis us monarchs to control our actions. They alter our memories and place post hyp otic suggestion that we have been further programed using trauma, to create amnesic barriers and binding that I’ve been told changes a [pst hypnotic suggestion I to a personality traits. The government uses monarchs as school shooter and many other thing. They are used by most of the large organization to gather Intelligence because thier memries can be downloaded easily and they can’t keep secrets from thier handlers. This is a widely known secret and is vibable in the midea around us. TV Programming edigecational programming monarch programming that was even tattooed on many of is children which is the rocking X tattoo, which is the image on the top side of a monarch butterfly’s wings.
The act of awakening is directly tied to this.
It is the power of the human mind to believe something just because it was told to them. And the human ability to not consciously process our decision before taking action. That makes this technology so dangerous. And therefore valuable to the leadership and power.
This technology is information based and it is access to this information that can trigger the awakening process to begain in somebody . Even just by reading what I just wrote. This more complex than just this but it is the ba of the hidden knowledge that is house at the Vatican. And many old books. Spells = hypnotism & pottions = drugs the government’s have just taken this to the point where they want a NWO. It is this underling features of the control system that is being changed now. Earth entering the information age triggered the great awakening cause the masses to awaken fast than TPTB can do the maintenance on thier amnesic barrier’s allowing people to awaken from a state of sleep similar to an mild hypnotic trance that further allow control of people subconscious.
I am no expert but I nut know how it has effected me. My research is in complete and I’m about 80% correct so don’t through it out just because you find a mistake, this is just the nature of Satanic Ritual Abuse. I have tried to be completely honest and why I have chosen to not candy coat my testimony. I further want to express that I have no memories that point to ether one of my moms being perpitrators. And you need to leave my family’s alone, you will just cause some to be hurt or killed for something they know nothing about.
Adam,
Both of Johnny’s parents have confirmed that you are NOT their son. Your delusions may seem real to you, but you have to accept they are just delusions. You can’t remember being Johnny Gosch because you are NOT Johnny Gosch. There is plenty of evil in the world, but your stories of CIA mind control, satanic murders, a million people singing Johnny Gosch songs…it’s all in your sick mind. Take your medications and leave Johnny’s family alone.
Isn’t it funny how everyone who is all aboard the “Faded Out”
podcast starts to not believe the factual evidence gathered in the Netflix
Johnny Gosch story, which involved America’s
Most Wanted and Paul Bonnacci? Or Conspiracy of Silence? Then start viciously attacking Noreen, in particular “Tri State Girl”? Sounds quite personal for them so assume some of their family or locality may have been implicated. Somehow they “all know” he is dead…
mmmkay.
I’m not attacking anyone. I just follow facts. I feel bad for Noreen, and the families of the other boys. No one should lose their child this way. I just can’t believe how many people ignored obvious suspects, and then made up the current more well known story. A lot of people who “helped” Noreen ended up being weirdos. Faded Out is the only serious source to cover local suspects. There had been discussions on this site before about local people, and a little bit on Reddit, but nothing solid. There’s been coverage on other podcasts and YouTube after Faded Out, and it’s all the same old stuff again. The Netflix documentary showed a lack of investigation, and has been proven wrong. You have your beliefs though, and I have mine.
I think you didn’t realize you got played by interviewing and perhaps taking the side of Johnny’s father who is definitelu
not up to snuff. A lot of midwestern people
might come off as unassuming and innocent, but doesn’t mean they don’t have some sick secrets. Look at JonBenet’s mother… she took her secret to the grave and how did that end up helping her other child? Would have been better to clear the air when confronted, then to face the afterlife with a guilty conscience hidden away.
I didn’t interview anyone. Faded Out isn’t my podcast. I’m just a fan. I don’t understand why so many people don’t want to believe it was someone local. Faded Out isn’t perfect, but at least it looked into a realistic timeline.
There were 2 possibly 3 locals and more from a few other states that I can identify. I am begining to think about half of the people or AI BOT that frequent this page are here to prevent justice from accuring. If you can protect me from our government so I don’t end up like Edward Showden or worse like Julian Assange. Everybody needs to wake up, this is not the republic that was originally created in the late 1700’s. This new government is trying to legalize what they have already been doing. Crimes against children are unforgivable. Why are so many people refusing to accept the fact that the government did it and are continuing to do the same to other children.
Look at the PHYCHICAL EVEDINCE that surports my finding. And don’t let these cult members influence you to not look at ALL possibilities. https://johnnygosch.wordpress.com/
I think there was a married police officer that didn’t want his infidelity found out or fell in love with Jodi . I think he was with her at her apartment when she overslept and while she was getting ready for work pulled that white police van up and snapped her neck or killed her in parking lot as he was putting her in van . Conscience at that time he was building a machine shed on his property. 27 years of covering up his affair.
In 1974, Frank Sykora had a 10YO boy staying overnight at his house to help him with his paper route the next day. Frank’s brother James S. Sykora molested the child and was arrested the next day. Another potential suspect.
My brother Adam and I were born as conjoined twins who were both drafted into the CI*’s monarch program. The phychic research branch of thier phycological (mind control) research MK-U;tra.
Because of the extensive use of hypnotism used to, manipulate my memories, my narritive needs nongovernmential investagative resources to help with the finel draft.
Conjoined twin are known to be born with a phychic ability that allows them to know what each other is thinking. This This telepathic connectedness was the target of thier phychic research. The truth will be known. https://johnnygosch.wordpress.com
Definition of delusion: “an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.”
That black and white photo of the guy Noreen says partisapated in the abduction is my other dad. The lower part of his ear lobe has been amputated, he’s blowing his cheeks out, there’s a 3.5oz gold Cuban link chain around his neck. The photo was taken by members of the, anti pedo alliance who kednapped him to exact information and evedince from him. The photos delivered to Noreen were his personal collection of political blackmail photos that have links to other child rape photos. The photos and thier agreement to allow me to fully awaken were exchanged for his freedom. They were partially photo shoped by the lead programmer responsible for my programming and then left on Noreen’s porch for my use and protection aftered I was allowed to fully awaken.
Attacking my creditability and egnoring the evedince is not going to keep the current cover-up narritive in place.
They have repeated that narritive so many times that it has become a false truth.
My nongovernment and evedince based investagation is continuing on my site where we can prevent the large satanic political cult who operate in the shadows of our government from manipulating us with there many tactics like Rattus and others are using against me.
Just because it sounds crazy, doesn’t mean its not true.
Come clean tell everyone your true name is Adam Bevington and you have trying to pass yourself off as Johnny for over 10 years. A couple years ago in a phone conversation when Noreen asked you why your doing this I remember telling her she wasn’t going to live forever and you want a share of any inheritance? In our meeting Friday 4/26/24 we again explained to you you’re not Johnny Gosch. I I hope you also remembering Noreen saying no way are we going to open a non-profit for you to go around the country telling your story and if you try to tie a non-profit with Noreen’s name , initials or Johnnys name there will be consequences. Adam is clear you were a child victim of human trafficking were put though some form of mind control, drugs, tortured and other horrific acts. It’s sad that there are no help centers out there for you and the thousand other victims like you. You didn’t ask for this to happen to you. Of the victims like you that have crawled out of the rabbit hole and made a life for themselves it was extremely hard for them but they did it. Perhaps it will be easier for you to pull yourself Adam Bevington up than trying to be someone your not
You are Sick! How can you actually come on this page under Johnny Gosch and protray and present yourself as something you’re not.
Please Stop. Johnny’s Family and Friends visit here.
Why did you never see your mom if you are really Johnny Gosch?
I am very interested, can you please tell me information about your childhood that the public does not know about, that only your parents would know about?
Do you see a therapist to talk about what happened to you?
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I have over all these,many different theories, and most are all the same…Ethan owed a drug dealer money for drugs…????cocaine,meth.most likely meth.maybe they were cooking meth out there and other illegal activities, that’s why no one has spoken a word this entire time???they would al be in trouble for accessory to the fact,ormaybe they just didn’t like eathan,or someone accidentally killed him,or he overdosed,or alcohol posioning,and everyone was to afraid of getting in trouble them selfish selves …..
From what people who know him have said on Facebook over the years he wasn’t that kind of person. People paint a picture of kind of a band geek who was also into drama and theater. People said he attended the University of Iowa and was part of the marching band there, but didn’t graduate. He appears to maybe be at kind of a lost stage of his life not sure what he wanted to do and there were also rumors about his sexuality. I have the feeling this is one of those cases where we will never know the why and the family are under no obligation to say anything.
I see her grave says Connie Jo Choate. Was that her legal name when she died or did the family just not want to have Bodensteiner on it? I can understand if they did it, but would be nice to know what her legal name was at the time of her death. Old DM Register archives seem to just call her Connie Bodensteiner. I’m guessing that was her legal name at the time.
These cases remind me of a very creepy occurrence. Back around 2000-2003 a guy that worked on my construction crew would get very jittery everytime we drove over this bridge. The creepy part is when he said “there had been a young girl found choked to death down there years ago”. While telling me this he was rocking back and forth on the truck seat rubbing his hands together. If these are still unsolved I think I need to contact DMPD. I’ve long forgotten this guy’s last name, I’m sure work records are still available…
These dirty Sheriffs Dept Set me Up Dumped Tires in My Noryh Field Prosucted me Huge fire Jail time I. 66 Tears old with Health Problems Had a Stroke inside Jail denied Hospital. Starved Me in Kail yet No one will listen We Called Iowa Civil Rights No Help denied. No Justice. I’m forced to leave my Home. Sherriff Yelling at Me telling me to shut my mouth stop talking to FBI They won’t do anything any how.i hate The State of Iowa CORRUPTION right down through their Courts system Police Judges They came stole our children Waz Terrible. When doctors te me I’m dying I’m going after a few. That did this too me. Left out was Beatened Up by Mitchall County Seriiffs Office Told to get out of Iowa Your not wanted Here. Deputy Jackson Beat me while I was Handcuffed Denied Attorney for Court too. Judge says You don’t need a Attorney. I was in a wheel chair Sick Couldn’t walk. Went from jail when I was released to Austin Medical Center I Life saving surgery I was minutes from death had lost 85 lbs. Too. Yet I had no health Issues.oh Sherrif Denoed me My Heart meds 7 days too.
WHY IS THIS A COLD CASE?! THERE NEEDS TO BE. BOOTS ON THE GROUND CITIZENS ROUNDING UP ALL THESE DIRTY COPS SO THEY CAN PAY THE PRICE FOR WHAT THEY’VE DONE, F#CKING COWARD ASS SISSY PIGS
I asked Urbandale police in 2016/17 to consider my mother’s death a cold case, with possible autopsy and cremation despite Roman Catholic affiliation. Urbandale is also DSM in zip codes. They looked at me as if I were a public nuisance. I think technology and housing killed her – she had mercury fillings, not Alzheimer’s.
I am an Iowan by birth but lived elsewhere for many years. We returned to Iowa during the era when the Dennis Chaffee murder occured and because I am a Chaffee, I have been interested in this unsolved case. I encourage Marie and Adam to pursue a solution.
It’s still so sad to me that there are people that were her so called friends know who pulled the trigger and took this beautiful life. She was love just plain love and she lived these people that are suppose to be her friends. For God’s sake someone who knows needs to come forward. They need closure the kids need closure. Someone who knows find the strength to come forward. Have the courage to say it’s been to long. Lisa deserves this. We all do. If you truly loved her say something be strong it’s time.
All you people think it’s a walk through the park during a house fire. It happens so fast that you don’t realize how fast the fire spreads. My wife didn’t do anything wrong and blames herself for not grabbing the baby first. She thought she had time. It’s pretty sad that people want to lay blame on someone when they don’t even realize how hard it was on us to lose our son. People also want to post how I went to Federal Prison and guess what I paid my dues and have been drug free now for 25 years. Fucking hypocrites need to clean their own porch off before they judge anybody else
Has anyone submitted a public records request on this case? Does anyone know if Marie is still with us?
I see on a few other sites he’s listed as deceased. Have they found something or has me been declared dead?
It sounds to me like Hathaway feels guilty for encouraging him to get the motorcycle parts back rather than him feeling guilty as if he hurt Kenneth himself. It is absolutely not his fault if this is the case but I know it’s human nature to blame yourself.
Word on the street was she overdosed, and her body was put into a 55 gallon drum of lye and built into the house of someone out in the Durango area supposedly.
Matt, thanks for sharing that information. It introduces a new name of a possible person of interest into the disappearance of Johnny. However, the body of Billy was found. A big if in relation to Kenneth Scholz, would be if he kidnapped Johnny, where he hidden him or his remains all these years.
Also, one of the articles refers to Kenneth as a Iowa youth. But, it did not mention where in Iowa he was from. Also, you have him moving to Des Moines, after his release from prison.
I have Elsie Scholz’s address in an old Des Moines phone book from 1985. 1079 22nd St, Des Moines, IA. He lived 5 to 7 miles from each abduction site. That house is still there. Is there a way to find out if he or his mom owned a Ford Fairmont?
I see they have a photo of when he was caught. He was young then and wearing glasses. Does anyone know what he looked like in the 80’s? Maybe he looked like the sketch of the man in the car in Johnny’s case, or the man Eugene was seen talking to. Maybe someone who grew up with Marc might recognize him from just walking around or something. Maybe he was at Des Moines Register parties with Wilbur Millhouse or Frank Sykora. Maybe he went around the mall where Fred Sayre went after kids. Most of the adults are gone, but maybe a former paper boy from that time would remember.
There’s a podcast called Faded Out that follows the theory of someone at the Register doing it. Maybe Kenneth was friends with Millhouse. What kind of job did Kenneth have in Des Moines? Did he work for the Register? Did he work at the mall? Did he work at the bookstore?
Maybe Millhouse took Johnny, and Kenneth took Eugene and Marc. Or any other kind of combination of that scenario. I know the towns are close, but it’s definitely a possibility that different men took each kid. Or maybe Kenneth worked with local pedophiles, Millhouse included. There was a pedophile ring with other pedophiles busted in 1986. If Kenneth was left behind that would explain why there were kidnapping attempts from 1986 to 1989. Then it all stops. Maybe the group fell apart and Kenneth wasn’t as good.
This post also shows us just how many bad people can be around you at any time. This is why children can’t be out alone.
I don’t believe the documentary either. The people I listed were covered in Faded Out. Local pedophiles who could have come in contact with Johnny. Millhouse specifically.
In Faded Out, and on this site, Yellow Bag talks about how Millhouse said Johnny was taken because he couldn’t keep his mouth shut. The Paper really messed up. Letting two pedophiles work with kids.
Millhouse had already been charged, while working at the paper in the 70’s. Sykora had been in the same home his brother molested kids in during the 70’s as well. Then Sykora was busted in the 80’s as a pedophile himself.
There were also the attempted kidnappings from 1986 until 1989. I don’t know what to make of those because Millhouse, a prime suspect, was already in jail. Maybe Kenneth was having his go at it. A lot of this is lost in time since all of these men are dead now.
Nobody has ever asked me what happened. Never. My truth can not overcome the false truth created by repeating the narrative above. It was not a physical kidnapping. It was an inslavement of the mind using trauma based mind control.
You are not Johnny, and you have a lot of nerve. I really don’t get how some people can be this heartless. His family misses him everyday, and a lot of people know he is dead. Get help.
The way TRI State Girl attacks the truth because it doesn’t fit with the cover up narritive shows everybody here that she is working to keep the cover up in place. Using tactics taken out of the government\ CI*’s play book.
Don’t address the evedince only attack the creditability of the truth speaker. The evedince so overwhelmingly supports my truth that nobody is even allowed to think outside that narritive.
I’m here after the truth and this conversation involves me.
I was there. I have the answers to many questions that the people have a right to know. I refuse to candy coat what happened to me. They manipulated my memories because memory control is mind control. But the evedince is physical. 100’s of physical prices of evedince.
I will answer some questions if three of you are able to maintain an open mind and are willing to learn about the tactics used that made this possible. The truth is so different than the current narritive and that the cover up is so compartialmentialized that few of the individual parts can stand alone but become more understandable as it relates to each other parts. I’m telling you that
This was done by the people who also operated the MK ultra programs and other government mind control programs.
Johnny; if this is you, please know there are others out there that know your pain. I was a victim of a sexual predator when I was very young. I did not go through what you did, but I can understand the pain it leaves you with. I wish I could help you.
I have the evedince. I want everybody to help Protect me from our government who has been manipulating me since birth. I realize how crazy this sounds but I refuse to candy coat what happened which would only hurt my creditability more. To also understand that the CIA never does anything without taking a detour through the land of deniability or crazy land. That’s just how they do thing. I know because they trained my subconscious using trauma based mind control that allowed them to control my subconscious mind which had overwhelmingly influence of my conscious mind. Basically they compartialmentialized my mind into different personalities and personality parts who were completely unaware of each other. Although my individual programming dramatically Changed after Anton killed my formerly conjoined twin brother. Which caused the fake kednapping so I could be moved to Adam’s family. when I was I had already spent about half my life, 6 years living as Adam who was one of my well established personalities. Think of it like there were two Adam’s and two Johnmys but never activated at the same time who switched places with each other every 6 months in order to keep us as identical as possible. Both mom’s wrteneber aware of the experiment but victems of memory manipulation as I was. Memory control is mind control. This was done as part of thier mind control research that was also researching the connectedness that allowes conjoined twin to know what thier siblings are thinking, a telepathic ability used in prayer but much stronger which also gave Adam and I a strong connection to the sprit world which is the source of the power that is used by the elites to dominate the masses. The reason for the cover up of the research projects is it classified as hidden knowledge. The same knowledge that has been systematically hidden from the masses for thousands of years that is hidden the Vatican. This powers makes it possible for the, elites to dominate the masses. Allowing them amunity from prosecution so many became addicted to sex with children creating the elite pedo problem. I am God’s Messenger and I want everybody to know about this knowledge to eliminate the unfare advantage and the abuse of the children.
What is hard to wrap my brain around is ..If you have an identical twin Adam ..no one ever saw him in all those years …? Where is He now ? Where is this other family?
I have one recovered memory of being on the kednappers bed where they say “Adam died why don’t we ,ale him Adam ” and when the who done it question came up the answer was always Anton.
Why did you never see your mom if you are really Johnny Gosch?
I am very interested, can you please tell me information about your childhood that the public does not know about, that only your parents would know about?
This was just supposed to be for an extra credit assignment for summer school because I got a bad grade in Social Studies last year. I was only going to put information from you that I got on this forum.
If you listen to Faded Out as Tri State Girl recommends, I would be very cautious. The podcast has a very flagrant agenda to discredit Noreen Gosch and Paul Bonacci no matter what the evidence actually says. It uncritically accepted anti-Noreen and anti-Bonacci statements from the likes of Chris Birge, Johnny’s father, and Sam Soda, even though all three witnesses’ statements had seriously credibility issues. Chris’s witness statements of that morning were contradicted by all other witnesses; I’ve written about it before here: https://www.reddit.com/r/JohnnyGosch/comments/e948gx/chris_birge_and_the_sighting_of_a_van/ Johnny’s dad Leonard John Gosch repeatedly contradicted his own prior statements along with other verifiable evidence; I’ve written about that before here: http://cavdef.org/w/index.php?title=Johnny_Gosch_abduction#ljgliesSam Soda was a prime suspect of the Gosches who lied on the podcast about many things, including a claim that the Gosches hired him when in fact he tried soliciting them. He also tried to dissuade the podcast host from believing that Johnny’s abduction was premeditated and tried to convince her that Eugene Martin (whose abduction Sam knew about before it happened, according to Noreen) was unconnected to Johnny’s. Gee, I sure wonder why this prime suspect would do that.
Faded Out is so egregious that even when they receive evidence contradicting their star witnesses, they either ignore the evidence or somehow claim that the evidence actually proves their witnesses are truthful. At one point, Sam claimed that while he was interviewing Des Moines Register pedophile Frank Sykora, another journalist named Mary Bock was in the room with him the whole time. He used this to guard against claims that he had in any way coerced Sykora during the interview as there would have been an independent witness. Faded Out interviewed Mary Bock, who stated that she may have been in the adjacent room (i.e. not the same room as Sam) but she was actually pretty sure she wasn’t with Sam at all that night and only got his tape of the interview the next day. Somehow, even though Bock entirely contradicted Sam’s account, Faded Out presented it as if she had confirmed it.
There probably isn’t anyone out there with a truly objective view of the Johnny Gosch case. What you should do is read the arguments for and against various theories, then dive into the evidence to see how closely the different theories match it. I have my own website with the page http://cavdef.org/w/index.php?title=Johnny_Gosch_abduction which is a summary of the case that has extensive footnotes to sources that can be checked. Whether someone agrees or disagrees with my presentation of the case facts, they all follow from specific pieces of evidence that you can verify.
Your information is interesting. I have one question. If Johnny went alone to deliver newspapers, why didn’t at least one of his parents hear him pull the wagon out of the garage and/or hear the dog bark? The garage is right below the master bedroom. Both parents got up routinely at dawn for work and family responsibilities. Yet, supposedly, both parnets didn’t wake up until more than an hour after Johnny allegedly left the house.
This is not Johnny Gosch. Everyone fake Johnny has taken his story to (including a friend of mine) has come to the conclusion he is a sick young man with serious mental issues. He looks absolutely nothing like the real Johnny Gosch.
He is still alive, but I don’t know if he still goes on this site. If he wanted to add something I think he would. I don’t know if there is anything else to add though.
Yes, Yellowbag is still around. You can find him at the Westwood Baptist Church in West Des Moines at 60th and Mills Civic Parkway. Ask for the Lead Pastor.
Also let me know if you need or want to share more information about Ken Scholz. He may have been in Pontiac prison at the same as John David Norman. He also lived right behind another Cold Case victim, Diane Schofield.
Hello Monica, I am a historian & true crime writer and I happened upon your story while researching a project I’m working on. Now, something struck me, wondering if there’s possibly a connection to the individual I’m currently writing about. Honestly, this may be absolutely nothing at all, but who knows – it might be something worth looking at.
I am visiting Shenandoah at the moment and i’m trying to figure something out about the Tall Corn Inn, we found a photograph of an overview of the Hotel from what appears to be the 1960s. The photograph shows a woman being dragged by a man, she’s wrapped in a bedsheet or something else but she is clearly alive in the image. If anyone knows anything, please let me know.
Is anyone aware of why Michael Klutner has been cleared for these murders? The timing of things couldn’t be more suspicious. Im concerned the white van is a red hearing.
I remember reading that they had a dedicated team to heavily investigate Michael Klunder in relation to this case. They were able to confirm a bunch of things that show he wasn’t in the Evansdale area at the time. He wasn’t even familiar with the area, and where the girls were found at Seven Bridges Wildlife Area is the kind of place where only locals who grew up in the area go to. Michael Klunder did his crimes in places he lived and worked. My thought is that it was a local man who one of the girls knew. Probably a family friend who grew up in the area and had a hunting or fishing license at one point.
From my understanding, Michael Klunders first crimes did in fact happen in the Waverly area. Which would mean he was somewhat familiar with the area. And the crimes he committed there and in Dayton seem to be somewhat similar. I also often wonder how they were able to rule him out.
Interesting. That goes against what was said initially. I just always come back to the fact police publicly ruled him out when they were under no obligation to do so, and considering he’s dead anyway. Lots of details to the case not public.
I’m sure this has been brought up over the years, but has Brown’s Woods or Racoon River woods ever been checked thoroughly? Seems like a good place to dump a body. Browns woods is basically a middle point with easy access from where Eugene went missing, with conjunction to where Johnny went missing in WDM. Browns especially. It couldn’t be more in the middle of the two areas the kids went missing. Did any of the suspects frequent those areas for any reason?
“Dachshunds were bred to be hunting dogs, and like all hunting dogs, they tend to bark. Their bark can be loud, especially considering their small size. Many Dachshunds are sensitive to changes in their environments, which increases the likelihood of excessive barking.”
So, the first mute daschund in history miraculously finds its way back to the Gosch household without waking up the neighbors with an incessant bark. This breed is known for barking, and barking loudly. Yet, the daschund Johnny supposedly took on his route the morning of September 5, 1982, did not make a sound.
Must have been heavily sedated or the entire story is BS.
This case is all about Gretchen, the daschund, that never barked on its way home to sit outside for more than an hour at the Gosch home without barking.
What about Jasons wife? My theory is they planned it and it was all about money. She killed mom, staged it, crossed arms and legs and left. Then Jason shows up to call it in 2 hours later with an alibi.
In addition that is why Shelly was so opposed to Jason taking the plea deal, because she was worried he would end up breaking his silence about who really pulled the trigger. The affair didn’t matter at that point.
Freddy it’s your brother Chris and u are still missing it’s been obver 9 years just wanted to let you know I’m a dad I have three kids and three step kids all girls hopefully u will be able to meet them someday I really miss u and I am hurting all the time because I miss u so much and love u so much I can’t wait to find u brother please contact me 6415755609 please call me Freddy I miss u and need u around u are my brother and my closest friend there will always be a hole in my heart a spot only u can fill so please call I really need u it is killing me inside not knowing where or what happened to u please come home I love u always and forever ur brother Chris
Chris, thanks so much for sharing this on your brother’s page, and I’m so sorry you and your family are still without answers after 9 long years. I can’t begin to imagine not knowing what happened to one of my siblings. It’s true that somebody out there always knows something, and I hope that person will one day soon slip up or follow his or her conscience and come forward with details that will provide some type of resolution. All my very best to you and your family. Jody @ ICC
July 1? Turkey Day obvious passed as MANYbhave since 1984
Davis Brother or (s) you had mentioned Richard would be 80s in PRISON if Still ALIVE. Did you get Chance to Speak with or ANYTHING to ADD?
My wife and I have seen literally thousands of true crime docs and this one ranks up there in the top 3 of weakest cases ever! The other 2 were Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey. One girl has the memory, the other girl does not remember it – they cancel each other out. Was it a planted memory by a mother with a vendetta? A dream? And I’ve never heard of someone committing a perfect murder with the exception that they went home and started confessing out loud to the victim. Makes no sense. The drug addict’s story makes no sense. Why would a murderer take the bloody clothes out of the bag in plain site of others and then burn them? Wouldn’t she just throw the paper bag with the clothes still in it into the fire and burn everything at once? And why didn’t he say this 25 years earlier when questioned? He can’t be trusted. Why weren’t the hairs tested? And the judge should have allowed this to be a hung jury. It’s obvious there was no evidence. This was a guilty until proven innocent case. I don’t like to speak ill of the dead, but it sounds like this guy’s suspect list could have been longer than the Nile. This is one of those cases that leaves you thinking if she could be convicted of murder with no evidence, then anybody could.
The DATELINE episode should bring about another look at this case. Why are her appeals being denied? Unfortunately Cahill had a weak lawyer and that should be a consideration for a re-trial. The judge should be recalled. I intend to keep following this case.
I just saw Dateline on 6/18/2022 and was stunned at the conviction. When Cahill said at her arrest “you don’t know how wrong you are” something rang true to me. I looked at the facts and there was no case for a conviction. A questionable 25-year-old memory from a 9 year old girl and a drug addict saying he saw the defendant burning bloody clothes – how are these considered evidence? And neither of those testimonies were offered during the 1992 investigation. Worst of all is the second judge not accepting a hung jury for the second time, and instructing the jury to come back the next day with a different verdict. I am blown away how this guilty verdict was railroaded by the judge, the detectives and the Weineke family’s desire for a conviction. It’s possible Cahill is guilty, but this trial certainly didn’t prove that.
I couldn’t agree more. I also watched the Dateline episode and read everything I could on the alleged “evidence.” I normally don’t question law enforcement’s decision to indict, but this case left me with a “you’ve got to be kidding me sick feeling deep in my gut.
There are cases on this site that contain — in my opinion — more than ample evidence to charge a suspect and ensure a conviction, and yet years go by with no arrests. If someone wrote up this story as a novel, any agent would find it ludicrous and tell them not to quit the day job. Mike Z. is correct in that the possibility exists that Cahill is guilty, but I saw no credible evidence whatsoever to support even an indictment, let alone a guilty verdict at trial.
If anything, the Dateline episode illuminated the nonsensical rationale for Cahill’s arrest.
Can you say…”Salem witch trial?” Watch out Justice. And the softball bat, how many ounces was it – because to swing a bat and make perfect contact to cause unconsciousness you need skill and strength- try it out on a tree- frickin impossible unless you’re built like a weightlifter and play for the MLB- Any male suspects or just a mother of 2 kids that has the time to kill during a weekday? Oh no- somebody of this 8 billion person world, who might have a repressed memory slightly askew, and you’re going to jail for 50 years!!
DM Register 04/30/1962: “police alerted hospitals and taxi cabs, officers combed dozens of blocks”.
The initial description was somewhat misleading.
From 14th Place the murderer had a straight line (due) north trajectory to reach neighborhoods with relatives and friends.
About 1.5 miles to traverse.
There was no freeway to deal with.
His biggest exposure would be crossing Keosauqua.
If he stuck to alley ways, his exposure was minimal.
Assuming a pace of 12 minutes/mile, that is 18 minutes travel time.
He was probably indoors before Clark and I returned to Clark’s apartment.
What I misunderstood, as many people do, is that trailing is highly problematic.
According to trailing expert, Jeff Schettler: “… most trailing-dog deployments rarely find what they are looking for.” [K9 Trailing The Straighest Path (p. 62). Kindle Edition.]
What likely happened on 04/29/1962 was:
The bloodhound(s) got started with the right scent article.
Contamination of the scent article occurred before exposure to bloodhound(s).
The bloodhound(s) did NOT get started with the right scent.
The handler was handicapped by arriving at the scene after other investigators. He never got control of the situation.
The murderer-rapist’s scent was not the freshest or strongest on the scene, and the bloodhound(s) didn’t “select” it.
Inner city environment contributes to odor confusion.
Trailing failure did not detect that the murderer-rapist fled the crime scene on-foot.
After he jumped from the window of the house at 1526 Woodland, he ran south to the alley, east to 15th Street, north to Woodland, east to 14th Place, north on 14th Place.
At one point this entry mentioned a fare Mr. Massouris was to have picked up at a rough old honky tonk bar that was under the viaduct. I believe a waitress was wating for it and you alluded to the fact she had something to do with it. Now all that is deleted. I wish I could remember the name of that bar because my mother told me how rough it was. I think it was called Ranchero or something similar.
Tim is my cousin. In 2019, I sent letters to the newspapers in Ottumwa and Albia and have not gotten any responses. Please help by writting more letters.
I would like to hear from any of you and give you my thoughts. Janet was my aunt. I had spoken with Frank’s sister, Mary a few years back. She died in 2007 or so. She had lived in Des Moines and had spoken the truth to the 2 children. Frank married a woman named jean who told the two kids a lie that Janet had committed suicide. Glad she had kept in touch with P.J. and Chris.
My name is Larry Teig. Janet was my aunt. My mom was Marjorie and we were stunned when Janet died. As time passed, we all (cousins) have concluded that Frank, her husband had her murdered. This was confirmed by Franks sister, Mary La Fratte later years. She was a wonderful mother to her two children P.J. and Chris. I believe they both live in Des Moines. Someday, all will be revealed.
Janet was my aunt, her husband Frank was my mom’s brother. The day Janet died, she had dropped off her children at Grandma’s just up the road. She told grandma that Frank needed her to help him in the field. Later that day she was found drowned in the pond. Interesting that the next day, we were all told by Frank that it was a suicide when in fact that was never the case!!!! Jean the woman he married 6 months later also told Frank’s children that Janet died by suicide. There were facts at the scene that without a doubt ruled out suicide.
Hello Helen, My name is Larry Teig. Janet was my aunt. My mother was her older sister, Marjorie from Jewell, Iowa. I had kept in touch with Frank’s sister Mary who lived in Des Moines. She too believed Frank was responsible. Mary had kept in touch with the two Children, P.J. and Chris. She told them the truth. I have been trying to contact P.J. Tony’s son told me he found an address for him in Des Moines. He wanted to contact him as his cousin and although I never got a hold of P.J. I would love to show reconnect with him as his cousin. I understand Chris is married and lives in Des Moines as well. You can contact me at larrylarew1@hotmail.com
Just came across this case. I was rightfully suspicious as to why such a paucity of pictures of this rapist and murderer. Another Killer Koon. Just how many even live in Iowa??
If your looking Mark Edward Handlon. You should stake out his exwifes residence at 4903 28th Avenue, Moline, IL. Because if he’s not there. She will definitely know how to get a hold of him. And definitely knows where he’s at for sure. Because she is constantly calling him. She is probably hiding him at her house. Or at one of her relatives houses that live around her house. That’s probably for sure where you will find him. Don’t stop looking for him at all. And when you find him. You need to arrest him immediately along with his exwife. Marilee Handlon at 4903 28th Ave, Moline, IL.
Hey jade! I miss you and think about you often. I don’t know where you are but we used to be best friends in school. I have picture’s of us. Your family have been in my heart and prayers. I hope they continue this case.
Mary I would like to know where you get your information from ?this was my grandpa And I don’t know who you are so I will see you in around our family I don’t see how this helps find my grandpa!
He’s my grandpa. I know this information because my mom was married to his son John Jr. And no you won’t see me around don’t threaten me. There’s a reason my mom left because you and your mom are fuddy duds. Total trailer trash. I don’t care if you’re my cousin. You’re gnarly. 🤢🤮 My mom and siblings moved far away from your families crazy AZZ. Good thing because I might have ended up as trash like you 😂 are you saying that you want to fight me? Ok tubs.
Also how do you know he’s dead? Are you subconsciously admitting that your family has something to do with his disappearance? Because I hear y’all do. 🤔🤔 Wondering if it has something to do with drugs…..
I’m just curious while everybody’s saying all this stuff about the dead and it doesn’t even pertain to Anything about their disappearance Thought this was supposed to help find them not to bash upon the dead and missing
The staging of the scene to resemble a “robbery” where nothing was missing save the murder weapon and that the body was also staged strongly suggests to me the killer was a family member, either the husband or one of the two sons. The killer didn’t bring a weapon but knew there was a gun safe in the basement and retrieved the murder weapon from there. It seems clear Jason was not the killer since video places him far away at the time of the murder. Comment from family member above indicates husband was also far away at the time of the murder. That leaves Billy Dean Carter. Where was he that morning – why was he never a suspect? Can any other family members be implicated or have motive? And Jason’s wife, she seems 100% convinced from the beginning that Jason wasn’t involved – not the slightest doubt. Is there a reason she is so sure? It’s baffling to me that this remains a cold case and that not a shred of physical evidence was ever found.
I just watched the A&E Accused Guilty or Innocent series episode about this case. Presented from the defendents point of view. It elaborates on a very generous plea deal offered by the state and statements by others implicating the Followill brothers. At this point I am convinced that not only is Jason not culpable it is likely neither are any family members. It is upsetting that his life has been greatly impacted and that he is being held responsible with no further appeal possible for a 10.2M civil judgement against him.
Billy was at work. I worked with him, and remember the day he found out about his Mom being killed. He was devastated. Hi alibi was checked a million times, and verified by several people who interacted with him at work the days leading up to the crime, and the day of.
I am in agreement with William Hilder, Jason is innocent. The last person to see Shirley alive and m concern here is why would he do everything to blame his son. I am not blaming anyone because to jump to conclusions is exact what has damaged so many lives.
Without doubt I do believe that the Police made three crucial mistakes
1. They told the Billy they had someone they were looking at and would be laying charges within weeks. Of course the famiily were going to get frustrated. How Jason got a fair trial is testament to the wonderful jury.
2. The Police did not follow the evidence. They made an assumption and without doubt attempted to make the evidence fit their conclusion.
3. There were a number of clues that the Police didn’t follow to their conclusions. They were so harassed by Jason’s and I think the Civil Judgement left them looking inadequate So they jumped on that banned wagon, a case that leaves a loving parent wondering why he would deliberately push to blame his own son.
Personally as a Criminologist I would love to see all the evidence as heart breaks for Jason and his family, he has been found innocent by a court of Law, yet his own self righteous family have found his guilty….why, because he had an affair. Something that had nothing to do with his parents. There is far more to this story and all parties, especially Shirley deserve someone to investigate this from an open mind.
As I was looking up information on the case, I came across testimonies of those involved in the case. Billy Carter was supposedly at work when his mother was killed, but I have no clue if his alibi checked out. From the follow up episode, the rumors of others being involved was investigated by Jason’s attorneys. They found a truck that was possibly seen in the area, plus the phone belonging to someone of interest pinged off the closest tower to the Carter farm at 9:23am (or very close to that time, as I don’t recall the exact time they said). Sounds to me like the police have some work to do. I truly find it difficult to believe that Jason or his wife were involved. His brother is extremely weird though, but weirdness doesn’t indicate guilt.
ok so how hard would it be to solve the case bc my dad knew her in high school and i would like to bring her family to peace about what happened to there child
They had a little museum at knotts berry farm when I was a kid in the 1970s they had the axe from this crime at there museum it was shut down years ago wonder what happend to the axe!
Maureen Farley did not know that she moved to Cedar Rapids and moved next door to a murder who was trying to hide his murder by killing more people, or hiring a person to kill possibly the only person who saw him commit the murder. Maureen Farley moved right in next door to the possibly murderer of Paula Oberbroeckling. Maureen Farley’s next door neighbor in Cedar Rapids was Doctor Thomas Sturgeon (a chiropractor). Paula Oberbroeckling was murdered at a prostitute’s house. The pimp at that prostitute’s house was Ernest Jordan . Doctor Thomas Sturgeon bought the gun and paid Perry Harris to murder Ernest Jordan, the pimp who most likely saw Doctor Thomas Sturgeon murder Paula Oberbroeckling when he was trying to rape Paula Oberbroeckling.
Today marks 60 years since the murder-rape of Ramona Jean Cox. This case has been of lasting interest to me because I was walking within 150 feet of 1526 Woodland, WHILE THE CRIME WAS IN-PROGRESS.
My friend and I went to Foodland (630 14th Place) to buy cigarettes. The clerk had to face east as he pulled the cigarettes from the shelf, and that is when he mentioned a black guy running shirtless past the store window. I couldn’t see from inside the store, so I stepped out of the store door, and looked north on 14th Place. He had a white shirt gripped in his left hand. It enabled me to see him in the dark, on an overcast night (no moonlight). He glanced back, and saw me, but kept slow trotting north.
When the first squad car arrived, my friend and I walked back to the corner of 15th and Woodland. After the police informed the three people in the yard at 1530, that they found the dead body of their neighbor at 1526, the women started yelling and crying. That would be Sharen C and Jackie P. Charles R, the boyfriend of Sharen C, tried to console her, but she wouldn’t be consoled. From 150 feet away, my friend and I, interpreted it as a boyfriend-girlfriend spat that had gotten out of hand. When the vehicle with the bloodhounds arrived, our theory didn’t seem to fit. Why were the bloodhounds on the scene?
Charles, Sharen, and Jackie identified the man who jumped from the window as white. Later, the FBI analysis of hair fibers, indicated a black-white mix. The guy I saw slow trotting on 14th Place was black. He was in the neighborhood, at the right time, and had about the same stature (5’9”, 160 lbs) as reported in the newspaper, so why don’t I think he was the murderer? The bloodhounds arrived on the scene in less than an hour. If the guy I saw was the murderer, the bloodhounds would have been on that trail in a heartbeat. Instead, the newspaper indicated the bloodhounds only tracked to the back alley. This indicates to me that the murderer fled the scene in a vehicle parked behind 1526 Woodland.
Reading your previous entries regarding this case, you indicated that you didn’t see anything. Now you are saying you did indeed see “a black man jogging”? Please explain.
You are probably referring to when the officer asked us “boys” if we had seen anyone in the neighborhood, and I said no.
Keep in mind, my friend Clark and I, didn’t know until the next morning what had happened, and how serious the situation was. That night, we thought it looked like a boyfriend-girlfriend spat that had gotten out of hand.
We actually hadn’t seen anyone in the neighborhood on our walk to Foodland, at 630 14th Place. The streets were desolate. We were the only ones out and about. Not unusual considering people were getting ready for the start of the work week, and were headed to bed or already in bed.
The only activity we saw was the guys screech off the stop sign at the south segment of 15th at Woodland. We were positioned right in front of them, if they had came up over the curb onto the sidewalk, they would have hit us. But, the driver cut hard left and sped west on Woodland. I figured out the next day after reading the paper, that this was Charles Russell, and his friend who was driving him back to 1530 Woodland.
We had run out of cigarettes, and that was why we went to Foodland. We were underage, but Clark was 6’0″ and about 200 lbs. I was 5’10” and 98 lbs. He looked old enough if the clerk didn’t check id.
We spent a few minutes looking around getting some candy, then when Clark asked for the cigarettes, I lingered in the store doorway, getting ready to run if the clerk questioned our age. I just realized last night, in a flashback, that I actually saw that jogger come up the south segment of 15th, headed for Woodland. I went back into the store, and chatted with Clark and the Clerk. When the clerk faced east to grab the cigarettes, he said he saw a black guy, shirtless, jog by the window. I stepped back out of the store doorway, and could see him jogging north on 14th Place. He had a light colored shirt in his left hand, wadded up. Since it was an overcast night (no moon, no stars), I probably wouldn’t have seen him without that light shirt.
I believe he had the shirt on when I first saw him, and must have taken it off when I went back into the store.
Clark was in the store the whole time, and wouldn’t have seen the guy. I never mentioned anything about the jogger to him. The clerk only got a poor glimpse as he jogged by. I say poor glimpse, because the store window had cardboard signs and a neon sign that would have prevented him from getting a good look. The best view I had was when he was jogging north on the south segment of 15th toward Woodland. The view I had of him as he jogged north on 14th Place was inferior, because there was no close by streetlight, his back was to me, although I saw him glance back over his shoulder.
I’ve been trying to refine that memory image, but it is from 60 years ago.
I always pull up google maps when reviewing these cases. I don’t know why but it tends to give be a better perspective of what happened and how.
The girls’ bikes were found on the trail in the South East corner of the park. This is the most obscure area in the park and is next to I-350. It is obvious why everyone jumped to the conclusion it might have been a trucker.
What I want to know it the address the grandmother lived at when this occured. I would like to try and track the path they took TO the park as I feel someone watched them and followed them in there, waiting til they got to this remoter area.
People jumped on to the idea that it might have been a trucker, but there is a large fence between the park and the interstate. I don’t want to give the exact address, but the grandma’s house was on Brovan Blvd Evansdale, Iowa. It’s a small street and if you look at street view from 2012 you can’t miss it. The park where the girls were found is very remote and only the kind of place locals who grew up in the area ever visit. Not the kind of place and random trucker would know about or be able to drive their truck easily into.
I pray my sister gets the justice she so desperately deserves. I hope the person or persons that were involved in taking her from us pay the ultimate price. There is a special place in hell for people like that! I miss her so much. Sh was an amazing person with the most peaceful mind anyone could possess. She helped anyone when they needed it and never asked for anything in return. Such a beautiful soul and I know she’s watching over me everyday.
probably quite pricey so you know the state of iowa wont do it unless it is absolutely necessary. youre right though leaning towards DNA because i believe most of these cases could be closed if they would approach it that way
I didn’t read anything about “Goose” or Therese Miller in this particular artical, where can I learn more about Ron Novak’s case? Please send me any link(s) with more details @ WiseGirl_Kim@hotmail.com. Please & Thank you ahead of time.
Travis Jamieson, the Monticello man who was arrested and acquitted at trial in Cathy-Jo’s murder, has recently passed away. I’m not finding a case page other than this one for Cathy-Jo on the ICC site (I may not be looking in the right spot), but I wanted to share that information. Here is a link to an older story about the case: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Sex+clue+pointed+to+the+PARTY+ANIMAL%3B+Pretty+Cathy+Jo%27s+vicious…-a060756653
My grandparents lived next-door to the Brûlé for years. I basically grew up with them. I never realized that it was not suicide until a few years ago. I hope and pray that whoever is responsible is caught and prosecuted.
Andrew, yes, there’s definitely a very close resemblance to the third sketch from the Chickasaw County Sheriff sketch. I’ll be watching closing to see if answers are forthcoming in Rhonda’s case.
Lisa was one of my best friends Jerri was my cousin. I lost a lot of people that year including my grandmother. We were teenagers we were kinda wild. Evidently she had a whole life I knew nothing of. The most we did when I was with her was drink cheap wine in a graveyard lol She was a good person and an even better friend! Definitely was murdered! Rest in heaven all of you and I think of you often I hope one day this all gets solved but unfortunately I doubt it 😭🙏🏼
Her house was actually 705 3rd Ave, not 703. Census document from 1925 has house number listed as 705. So it is the red house right next to 703 3rd Ave.
Why would the father wait 3 days to report his daughter missing??
She was not a Hooker, she wasn’t old enough to be anything but a child!! I wish someone would solve this case, but I bet the killers are dead! Still would be nice to understand, after all I wasn’t feeling to safe myself after lisa died! We were In school together. She was so shy, never saw her talk to anyone!!
There is a tictok about Lindsay Buziak from British Columbia Canda with many similarities, down to thier hairstyle and blonde streaks and similar facial features, being described as vibrant, successful and cheerful, age, jobs, etc. There was a cell phone purchased and used only to call Lindsay once, registered to a man’s name, Paulo Rodriguez. But a blonde woman was with a man and Lindsay was found stabbed multiple times in the master bedroom of the home she was showing them, she also had no defensive wounds. I can’t help but wonder if they are connected. They have so many similarities in personality and physically that it seems like a serial killer. Just wanted to put this out there for investigators to check if there’s a connection. The tictok mentions Ashley Oakland’s case. 😟 my condolences to both families.
Jody, that was nice of her to runaway again. Maybe the authorities should have handed her a statement of the costs of searching for her. Plus, a booklet listing all the runaways who were murdered. Plus the unidentified bodies around the country.
But, then she has more important stuff to do. But not at home.
Happy 20th my love! I hope so much you had a good one. Autumn and I think of you everyday and we need you.. No matter what . We will do anything to get you back in our life and keep you safe . No matter what it is, we will go thru anything and anyone to find you. You are our world .. we love you so much Jade. -summer </3
Is the evidence for this case still available? Anything that could be tested for dna, even after all this time? Although, from the articles with numerous photos, it looks like the crime scene was grand central station within a short time. Even that the evidence was flown out of state. No telling whose dna is mixed up with it now.
The Quad City newspapers reported a blood covered hat was found. If it’s still around blood could be matched to the Bachers, maybe skin or hair from the person who wore it.
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Literally every comment on this page is a willful violation of your impotent policy. Maybe try harder? Or, even better idea, get rid of the comments altogether. There is absolutely nothing that anyone can, or should, contribute to these complex and difficult topics via an internet comment. All they engender are wild speculation, open prejudice, bitter resentment, and the further erosion of the already deeply scarred state of civil discourse among Americans.
Considering all the foot traffic that park gets, especially during morel mushroom hunting season, I’m thinking he isn’t there otherwise someone would have found something. I too would be interested in his internet history. Ledges, especially the parking lot isn’t an uncommon place for people to meet up. In the early 2000s I was a student at Iowa State and my roommate went there alone one day to meet a girl he was talking to on the internet. He is an outdoors type so he didn’t think anything of it. It was a bad idea in retrospect because it’s rural and nobody really around that time of year.
After doing more research and hearing his dad on a podcast, it sounds like things were meth related. It’s really unfortunate that his dad made the mistake of touching, getting into the vehicle and driving it home.
I’m here to say that Jerry was told it was okay for him to take the vehicle. So he did so his son’s truck didn’t get towed. -Nicky Ludolph (Calmer) the one in the news story and a friend of jesse
I remember hearing Erin’s stepmom say in a podcast that police wanted to search CP’s truck, but he had sold it not too long after Erin went missing. Shouldn’t there be a paper trail for that? At least a title transfer? I guess I want to rule out that the truck wasn’t just abandoned in a forrest or Cedar River etc.
There are only 2 ways to get to the house. You have to know exactly where you are going. Back in the 70’s it was all farmers, and you could literally count on both hands the number of farmers who had land around Churchville for a few miles in any direction.
In mid June, farmers should of been out in the fields. If you drive the route from the east or the south to their property, you see the road. You would notice a strange car, and definitely recognize a vehicle owned by anyone who lived around there. It was 1973, the DCI probably didn’t exactly canvas farmers. The other thing that’s never been brough up is where were the kids, and why. Janet was not the type to ever leave her children. Her family and church were the center of her life. Someone saw something strange, and has never come forward. There is no way a person could die as horribly as she did without someone seeing something, and the person responsible having some kind of connection to the family. It was not a random act. It had to have been planned, and whoever did it knew exactly what to do and when. I’m not a conspriacy nut, I don’t need a tin foil hat, Janet didn’t deserve to have someone take her life, and those kids never deserved the life they were stuck with after her death. Fifty years later, everyone who lived around there is dead, and sadly so is this case. As with all of these cold cases, someone got away with murder.
I agree with you and as for the dozens of other cases like this someone had to see something but never spoke up and like you said they are gone and dead and got away with an awful crime
Thank you.
I’m pretty sure no one in that area even knows this ever happened,
I’m not even sure if there are any of the original family descendants in the area anymore. To see a few people have commented over the years Is nice. I used to live around there, over the years one person came to mind, but is also long deceased. It’s pure speculation.
Hopefully they are in a special section of Hell wether connected to this tragedy or not.
I am a niece of Janet’s and was in high school at the time. Janet’s husband was my mom’s brother. We all believed as a family that he was the one responsible for her death. He was disowned from the family after her murder until the day he died. I remember the next day being told that she had committed suicide which was what Uncle Frank had told us!!!!!
Interesting
The day Janet died she had taken her children up the road to grandma’s house. She told grandma that Frank needed her to help in the field. She was found dead later that day.
His family lived in KS where he returned to. His younger brother died just a few years back, I knew him fairly well, they were generally good people. His dad just died three days ago. I have pictures of the incident as it took place here in Coffey County leading to his suicide. They have searched around here but I doubt he carried her here. If he did they were countless places to put her that would not have been on the property.
When was the gate put in place? The one the dive team had to drive around?? And why was one installed? Didn’t look like much back there that you need to gate it. Also, I think it is really odd that IF that is where the party Was then why hasn’t anybody from the party come forward?? I have been to plenty coal mine stripping cut parties in my day and nobody would have left like that and not be unnoticed no matter how loud the music was.
I read the news that familial DNA just cleared this case. Thomas O. Freeman of West Frankfort, Illinois was the source of the suspect DNA. Not sure what the source of the DNA was. Thomas O. Freeman decomposing body was found in October of 1982 in Cobden, Illinois.
It’s pretty clear that authorities believe her husband, Nemke, killed the Freeman. The most likely scenario it seems to me is that Freeman foolishly talked about the crime and Nemke heard about it since he evidently lived in the area.
That’s the only plausible scenario I can think of since the authorities were unable to come up with a suspect all those years and Nemke would have no other way of identifying Freeman.
That’s a far stretch based soley on a murder/rapist bragging about their crime. Hardly plausible. I am more inclined to believe he followed her from the truck stop area. That truck stop was very busy then and the area was not nearly as populated as it is now. The casinos were not there then. Being on the I-80 & I-29 corridor it attracted a lot of traffic and criminals.
All these years and I couldn’t help but think it was connected to the Mayfield murder that happened a couple of months earlier.
I either didn’t make myself very clear or you misunderstood my comments.
I was referring to the fact that Nemke (her ex-husband) allegedly killed Freeman (the recently identified killer of his ex-wife Ratori). The article is pretty clear that law enforcement believes that Nemke killed Freeman and that they both lived in the same area in Southern IL. I don’t know how Nemke would have otherwise would have known Freeman did it unless he foolishly talked. Clearly Nemke wasn’t at the scene and LE didn’t know who killed him until just recently, long after Nemke passed and Freeman was killed.
I don’t doubt the fact that Freeman, a trucker, and the fact that the hotel Ratori was killed and the truck stop were very close in proximity is likely linked.
The husband was a person of interest in the murder of three women, at Starved Rock State Park in Illinois. He was arrested in a stolen car on the Northside of Chicago.
Someone suggested that his connection to Illinois makes him a suspect. Well I live in Illinois, which makes me a suspect also. We can add all the residents and former residents of Illinois, as possible suspects.
Also John Wayne Gacy was a resident of Illinois, makes him a suspect. But then I seem to remember that he worked in Iowa.
I prefer that we come up with some links that shows thst the husband had previous contact or knew Freeman.
To quote Sgt. Joe Friday, “just the facts”, and not assumptions.
It’s speculation, not assumption; the former of which is in part what this message board is for – as long as it’s qualified as such. Heck, I’ve seen you make similar speculation often on this very board.
As for the basis of said speculation, I suggest you read these specific quoted comments from LE Officer Weddum – the officer working the case…
“I’m not a real big believer in coincidences,” Weddum told the Nonpareil, explaining that Rotatori’s husband, Nemke, who died in 2019, is considered a person of interest in Freeman’s murder.
“With his known history of being in the area of where our suspect lived and where our suspect died, it raises suspicions of his involvement. That he possibly could’ve been involved,” Weddum said.
Quite a stretch extending the specific, quoted, on-point comments from the LE officer above to you and Gacy’s residency.
Cobden, Illinois is located in Union County, which is northeast of Cape Girardeau, Missouri. Not exactly close to Council Bluffs. Also West Frankfort. Illinois is in Williamson County, close to Interstate -57.
I wonder how her husband would be able to identify him as the offender in a short period of time, when the police had no clue.
The other question is Freeman connected to the murder of Linda Mayfield, F/B, in the Starlite Motel, also in Council Bluffs on April 9, 1982. She appears was stabbed multiple times in the face, chest and stomach.
Yes, I wondered how her husband identified the killer too (see my posts above if you’re so inclined).
Since Nemke spent a lot of time in Southern IL, I speculate that Freeman talked and Freeman heard about.
Now that I think about it, a couple of other possibilities: 1) Freeman returned home with stab wound injuries, some people knew he was in the Council Bluffs area, people connected the dots, and that got around to Nemke. 2) Nemke hired Freeman and then killed him to silence him.
I also wonder whether it is possible that Freeman knew Nemke years ago when they were younger. Nemke was 39 when Lee was killed, if my math is correct. Freeman was 35. Could they have served time together in juvenile corrections? Could Freeman have had anything to do with the suspicious fire which killed the female juror (serving on the jury for Nemke’s murder trial in the 1960s) and the juror’s teenaged daughter when Nemke was in custody? In one of the articles I read, it said when Freeman was found dead, no one had reported him missing for at least 3 months. That raises other questions as well. My gut feeling is that yes, they knew each other.
They have to use a combination of DNA and genetic genealogy. The DNA gives them the genetic profile of the deceased individual. But they have to have something to compare that to. Yes, they could compare the DNA of the unidentified individual to that of Matthew’s family members. Otherwise, if they don’t have a potential match to compare to, they have to use genetic genealogy to trace the family of the deceased. Usually at best, they get a hit on a distant relative in a database of people whose DNA profiles have been voluntarily submitted.
I wish the Dallas County Sheriff’s department would look into this “suspicious death”. There were witnesses there that need to be talked to. This was a murder!
And now I see that former Des Moines register staff writer Frank Santiago passed away last year. So any institutional memory that he might have is long gone also. https://www.desmoinesregister.com/obituaries/dmr117504
I must’ve struck a cord because I have a lot of people reacting negatively to what I said but I have one question for them I will I’m not going to stop preaching what I know because I know what I saw and you’re not gonna stop me from voicing what I saw unless you plan on killing me too like you did Eric and you know who you are and I know who you are too and I guess if you think I’m a danger to you then you’ll have to do something about it won’t you but let’s be real I wouldn’t be a danger to you only a danger to your freedom because of what I know so come and get me!
This was not an accident Eric was my friend and I know for a fact he was murdered, his father absolutely hated the fact that Eric thought he might be gay and he killed him for it when he found out about it this was all a really huge issue when does homicide happened and I was not surprised that Eric ended up dead he was always afraid of his father. I never thought his father was serious when he told Eric if you ever become gay or try to be gay I will kill you boy I thought he was just saying it I never realize how serious he was!
The funny thing is the parents said they were at home that evening and that’s an out right lie because I heard the shotgun go off from my bedroom door I remember standing there with my back to my bedroom window in the doorway and I heard the loudest sound I’ve ever heard in my life. I turned around and looked out the window and I saw Eric‘s dad‘s truck and his moms car both in the driveway and a short time later Eric‘s dad came out of the house threw something in the garbage can got in his truck and left by this time Eric‘s mom had already left the house. I know he killed him!
I am not sure how Lisa’s comments is helping this case? are you serious with your slander and lies? Stop telling lies for the truth cuz you definitely was not around the family or I would know you.
Are there more photos of Rodney John Olsen? Here it says he was out visiting someone but i found another site that said he went back to Britt to visit the son.
Hi mom, it’s me again. Today is a very hard day for all of us. 25 years and still no answers… I still hope for the day we have some closure and justice.
I talked with a news reporter today, in hopes to get things out there..
I love you mom, to the moon and beyond…not a day goes by where I don’t think about you.
Love always, Autumn ❤
I think of you everyday. I love you forever, Im waiting for the day to hear your voice again. Autumn and my heart is broken for every second that goes by missing you. Love you always – Summer
Have the police rocated and re-interviewed all of the people who were at the camp? Both leaders and former children attendees should be interviewed again. If children targetted him as a joke, they may not have desired the outcome and then didn’t want to admit it once he was in the river. Now someone might be more willing to tell if they were only an observer. Secondly I belueve that all family members of missing lived ones should take an Ancestry DNA and 23 and Me dna test and upload the results for free to Famiky Tree, My Heritage, abd especially Ged. If a body is ever located it can then be identified through the dna. If a person ran away or was kidnapped and they eventually grow up and do a dna test. they will find out who they are and locate relatives. Also save a stamped envelope or toothbrush of the lived one because soon these items will be able to be tested to match someone’s dna.
I’m the eldest son of Gene Oathout, who owned Oathout Funeral Home at the time of the 4/2/1962 fire. I’m surprised to find this arson in the “cold cases” file, as my clear memory is of a firebug who was apprehended after a string of arsons. He was accused of torching 3 churches in addition to the Funeral Home. I don’t know if he was convicted.
In searching newspaper articles I notice a pattern of killings from 1970- 1974 this could very well be a serial killer in that area, I will need to look further before I am 100% sure.
His Social Security states he was living in Iowa when he retained his Social Security Number, I am still search for addresses and places her was after he returned from service.
Name: Alexander Sauceda
Social Security Number: 483-66-7724
Birth Date: 17 Jul 1950
Issue Year: 1966
Issue State: Iowa
Death Date: Oct 1973
People need to watch the 20/20 episode January 29, 2022 with Bill Pruins 2 daughters about the Jodi Huisentruit case with Krystal and Scarlett and their setting the record straight saying there is no connection between their dad’s death and Jodi’s disappearance. They want to people to stop with the rumors they are hurtful to both of them. The police, both of them Krystal and Scarlett and the private investigator are saying their dad Bill Pruins was not murdered but was an accidental shooting and there was no indication of foul play but an accident! They want the rumors stopped period and let their dad rest in peace and whatever his legacy will be so I agree with them let this go their dad wasn’t murdered but an accident.
I don’t know if anyone watched the 20/20 episode about Jody Huisentruit’s case, but Billy’s case was discussed as well during the episode. There were rumors that his case was linked with Jodi’s, but according to the private investigator that Billy’s daughters hired, the shooting was accidental. According to the episode, Billy had been carrying the gun and somehow tripped and fell on it, causing it to discharge. If that’s true, then his case isn’t linked to Jodi’s disappearance and his death was a tragic accident. The 20/20 episode is entitled “Gone at Dawn” and just aired on 1/28/22.
Bill Pruins daughters did an interview with 20/20 and say there is no connection between his death and Jodi’s case and they wan the rumors to stop. His daughter’s, the Police, and private investigator all agree his death was an unfortunate accident and they want his legacy to be what it may be so again they want the rumors to stop.
I used to live in that apartment building, in her apartment. She didn’t live upstairs, it was the downstairs apartment she lived in. My landlord told me that, that’s how I know that .
The Dubuque PD knows that Arnsdorf is dead. The brothers she was seen with had their car compacted at a friend’s junkyard in central IL a few days after her disappearance, police couldn’t get a warrant. She’s in the trunk of that car.
I was a 6th grade student at Madison Elementary where Judy volunteered as sort of a playground director. A classmate Robert Graves used to walk to school with Judy at times and as i recall he broke the news that something was up the Monday after her murder.
Judy was beloved by all of us but especially the rowdy mischievous bunch, which I was part of. They played Bridge Over Troubled Waters at the funeral at St. Paul Lutheran. I was sitting in maybe the 3rd row slightly behind and to the left of my good friend Leroy Williams in the row in front of me.
Leroy had a scar beneath his left eye and I remember vividly the tears streaming from his eyes as a kind middle aged woman offered him a tissue.
When my kids were young we were driving back from a ski vacation in California when Bridge came on the radio. I had to explain to my wife and 2 sons why I was balling as I always do when I hear that song.
I check up on Judy’s case from time to time hoping that you and the rest of her family, and the many, like me who’s life she touched can find closure. She was a fun and wonderful person and we are all lucky to have known her.
Please pass on my prayers and condolences to her family and friends.
I know this answer might be lost in time, but does anyone know if David Morris was related to the Tommy Morris who was killed in 1972? It would be crazy if they were brothers or something. https://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/tommy-morris/
This guy looks like a man that stalked me in 1974, he followed me to Mason City, Iowa and forced me to go to OKC and then to Danville, Virginia. The perp used the name, James B. Sizemore of Moore, Oklahoma. Could be they switched identities or something because the Danville PD claims they have no record of the incident although I was at the PD and escorted out of Virginia by an undercover agent. The couple who told me to go to Iowa were a white man with one leg and a black female. They had to have notified the perp because he found out I was there. There are stories of criminals switching identities.
I’m noticing so many disappearances in Iowa of disabled people from even the 1970s, unbelievable, seems like the State or some agency may be involved with so many of them. I also find it unusual that the more recent missing persons have no photo, most everyone has photos nowadays with cellphones and facebook, seems suspicious they have no photos, more like deliberate.
There is only one male in the doe network that fits the timeline of this one, and they lived about 90 minutes away at the time and on the date, but the physical statistics are too far apart. I’m guessing that since the clothes could be described, the body wasn’t burned far enough to reduce it this much. Looks like the one was found on the morning the other went missing, so, mech, that doesn’t match up either unfortunatly. https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/5510dmne.html
Probably too many months between this woman from the doe project going missing and this woman being found, but i wonder if anyone looked to see if the two were related, since this woman was pregnant and the other lady had two kids by a guy who dumped them off with their grandparents and never saw them again after his wife went missing. Fort Campbell, Christian County, Kentucky is directly south of clinton county iowa where the body was found. I wonder if anyone ever tried to compare the two and see if it might have been her. https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3720dfky.html
Tonya, thank you so much for letting us know about Twyla’s passing. She so diligently pressed for justice in her sister’s case, and she will be greatly missed. My heartfelt condolences to the family. Jody @ ICC
I always thought this case was fishies!! I didn’t know Kim but I know the the boys.
As for the house fire the fire chief and the investigator should of found the cause of the fire because I know when we had our house fire they found the cause of the fire !!
So surely law enforcement has asked for cell phone pings at the Lake when the girls were there and then tracked those pings to actual owners of those cell phones. Then did they also look to see if any of those cell phones also ping in the 7 Bridges area between tge time tge girls were mussed and the time the bidies were found. Secondly, there are commercial satelites that periodically cover the area where the girl’s bodies were discovered. If the lication where the bodies were discovered, couldn’t law enforcement pinpoint when the bodies first appeared in that location. Then couldn’t cameras on private property identify vehicles en route to the seven bridges area pror to the time the bodies appeared?
Order of elimination, love this idea. I’m sad because I cant understand how a cell phone ping coukd rule anyone in or out. If the description was that they were going through something, how does anyone know they didn’t lose or leave their phone behind temporarily somewhere. I understood at 13 phone can be tracked/traced. So many times we’d leave our phones so our parents couldn’t track us. There was no location off setting then.. but nothing was ever spoke if on it. Also my sons phone was taken by his teacher, after school it pinged in 3 different locations in our area. The phone was in her desk all weekend long. My sons earphones pinged at apartments by his school, we found them dead in our sheds in a stuffed animal bin 2 years later.
Malinger says: “It was unfair to accuse just the Clinton Police,” he said. “We weren’t the only investigating authorities.” But you WERE the first ones called, the first ones on the scene, and the first ones to investigate. You went through the trouble to find the car, check the registration, check the doors but you couldn’t make ONE PHONE CALL to this business? I wouldn’t think twice about calling anyone on my street if I saw their car running that long. A business would practically expect it.
Sorry if this sounds mean spirited but this show up and do the minimum type of response is inexcusable. And nothing has changed from what I can see.
I respect the police and pay good money for their services. But don’t EVER expect blind allegiance to them, or anyone, from me.
I was in the same Harding Middle School gym class that Adam S. described and remember Curtis Padgett’s 20+ minute mile. He laid down near some bushes along Collins Road near the northeastern-most softball/baseball diamond while all the rest of the students were closer to the school waiting for Curtis to finish his mile “run”. It’s like he didn’t even want to try. I remember thinking he could have just slowly walked the mile in a faster time than what he ended up getting.
I also remember his occasional sudden angry outbursts if someone tried messing around with him. Some students definitely tried to provoke a response from him on purpose just because the response was often so outrageous.
I think he only made it through 1 year at Kennedy High School before dropping out or going to Metro Alternative High School. His freshman picture in the 1995-1996 Kennedy yearbook is the same as the one on this webpage and there were no other pictures of him in future yearbooks.
I’d guess Curtis’ home life growing up couldn’t have been very good, seeing the way he turned out.
I’m surprised any girl would have ever been remotely associated with him, unless one were to use him to buy cigarettes or to get a ride somewhere. Even then, you’d think they’d find someone other than Curtis.
There is a guy online that looks so much like Eugene’s age transgression photo. His name is Troy Lund and he happens to be an actor/director, etc. He has the same eyes and facial features. There is not much info on his past. Could this be Eugene?
No. Johnny, Eugene, and Marc were probably abducted and killed by either someone from the Des Moines Register, one of the men from the Des Moines pedophile ring that was busted in the 80’s, or another local pedophile who was never caught. I’m not from the area at all, but the case has pulled at my heartstrings. It’s unfortunate that obvious suspects were allowed near children. I don’t like when people push ideas that honestly don’t make any sense. Johnny’s case has had the worst of it, but the other two cases suffered as well. Not to mention the attempted abductions from 1986 to 1989. Someone local clearly took the kids.
Thank you for sharing the info about Brian’s father. I’ve since added it to Brian’s page, and am glad his father lived long enough to see his son’s case closed. Have a Happy New Year!
i most deff think that this is the weirdest crimes iv heard it kinda makes no sense to me,what did he have agianst them? what was his motive where would he have hid if you can hear every tiny thing like a sneeze it blows my mind the things people do to others
Another alias to add: Junior Giovanni Pol
Beware, this site has actual child porn pictures on it. Someone should report this one and get it taken down: https://soundcloud.com/j-nior-giovanni-nimaja-pol
Dear sweet Aunt Martha, my Mom (Elaine) is with you (and my Grandpa Arnold) in heaven now :( I was just a girl when this robbery/assault happened. We are from the Chicago area. My Mom, Aunt Jackie, Aunt Bonnie, Uncle Lou and Grandma Helen were devastated by the news of Martha’s murder! I pray the offender has somehow served justice and has remorse. I see a comment by Karen. I’m wondering how we are related?
Maybe Kayla should think about the person she’s trying to defend. The reason he is a registered sex offender is because he sent inappropriate pictures to her underage sister “on accident”! I’ve known him since we were kids and he admitted to me that was why he has to register.
The comment about it being over drugs is ridiculous…that is not what happened at all I personally think the Fayette Co police are lazy and flat out don’t want to ever deal with anything because when first reported they wanted to write it off as a vehicle incident…but not until backlash did they go oh well ok and point out allll the obvious staging it was 100% wade lenth and it was over wades still girlfriend and im sure she knows about it as well i have not lived in the area since I was little but all my family lives there and I know alot of people …did they check laynes phone?? Maybe look at the texts he was sent from wade saying things like how he’s going to kill him for talking to his girl and crap like that or how about laynes roommate (and maybe this is hear say) but wasn’t it his roommates pickup that layne was found in….wasn’t the crime scene in the house poorly cleaned up by someone who probably had access to the house?? Wasn’t his roommate good friends with wade? The crime is practically solving itself but….wade walks free smiling in his Facebook pictures…meanwhile laynes family still has to suffer.. seems fair huh?
I may not know all about the girlfriend issue. However, Layne is beaten up and then dumped in his roommate’s pickup truck. I guess the roommate was not home, but left the keys to his truck for anyone to use.
It appears that some agencies in the criminal justice field, try to claim that some cases are not criminal. This involves them less work, and it fits in with their claim, that crime is down
In Pennsylvania a woman was found stabbed to death, almost 8 years ago.There was no signs of forced entry. The pathologist based on that information, claimed that she committed suicide. Although, some of the stab wounds were in her back and neck.
A real medical examiner disputed his findings. So, now her death is classified as a homicide. So, now the police have to investigate it although they never did, because it, she committed suicide.
On top of it, the woman was engaged to be married.
Has anyone thought maybe the suspect got entertainment from strangling people?? I’ve been reading another case, Sandra Dee “Sandy” Kinney was also strangled and thrown in the river. She was also found nude.. maybe this killer, Jerry Lee Huff, had a sexual desire’s before strangling and dumping the bodies into the river. He cannot be tried for the murder of Sandra Dee Kinney but maybe we can get him for the killing of Roger Warren. Also sounds like Jerry is still living in the Davenport area. Both murders happened in the downtown area of Davenport.
Leon Sr.
Yes, I noticed these two babies. The towel on the first baby had two tea towels, one with numerals “49” on a corner. Could that towel be trom a hospital? Hotel/bar/tea room/restaurant? I think that ordinary people like us are giving hope to cold cases.
Could the towel be from a??? What do you think?
better know your FACTS before you start slinging names like its real…you can put anyones name in there as the perpetrator of this crime…and cause negativity in their life. Harry Meader is not a part of this fiasco….I think its sad what happened to josh..whatever that may be. But until you have facts dont fill in the blanks with personal opinion or rumor. That is a real messed up thing to do and all it does is muddle up the investigation and allow the real perpatrator whoevr it may be get away… between this Abe Froman and Chad Willman spreading bullshit that aint true it will be a wonder if the real person responsible gets caught….way to go guys…way to assist in whoevers escape from justice
Nick do you remember the conversation you had about this and the home that records it all. I am sure you just make up stories and events on camera all the time then pretend that it is not available. Nick meader your bringing yourself and others into something yourself blaming others? I guess you must decide what you want to say on this platform as I seem to think your covering up for what your always doing and that’s blaming your brother and my friend for your troubles in and out of the justice system you go and return and go do low low IQ things. Tell the group you really are that guy. Breaking the law and preying on the good people in society again and again. . Why are you the one committing the crimes alone and actions you take to commit crimes are your own doing. Nick not because you had a brother that picked on you and the world that abuse (There is none) has watered down onto others false impressions of moral qualities you display to others . You best stop the story you tell here of what’s really true and false to me. Do you have me on video doing anything that you describe here? I ask that you would you be willing to stop the slander here on me here? if your really the one that forgets the days of explaining what only not be true as you came with here to make sure I was ok from her vicious false claims on me by herr in a slanderous event itself.What you said on that night of the so called recorded conversation I believe makes everything you say here to this group about me and to them a very big lie and your a fool for it . lie and lie …Nevermind I’m sure like everything you just said I am causing here says different if I do recall. People here this man is so full of falsehoods and just as he sits telling you one thing you should ask him this . Say Nick do you belive that this man is the one stirring things up ? Or Nick can we trust your never really saying that to slander him and deflect from the stories you tell? I would stop blaming myself and telling this group anything more its so sad you can say this knowing what tells of events you may be on devices yourself. Now stop hurting everyone in this lie crap where is your dignity and respect to them . Your way out of line
This stream of consciousness diatribe is very bizarre. It sounds to me like Nick is standing up for his brother, rather than accusing him of something.
This Harry Lyle Meader III has a criminal history a mile long. His outstanding fines and court costs are well into the 6 figure range. Looking at public records it looks like he was out of jail at the time Josh was last see, although he did have a failure to appear warrant set on October 15th of that year. He wasn’t taken into custody on November 22nd in Benton County. If I’m reading the records correctly there was certainly a window of time where he could have been involved. Both this man and Joshua Wellman have meth related convictions. Interesting stuff.
Harry might be a criminal but a killer he is not! He doesn’t even like to fight! His extensive criminal history is non violent mostly drug charges an eluding law enforcement! Why don’t people understand the effects of serious accusations such as these. Calling someone a murderer is something you’d better have a lot of evidence to support otherwise you throw the police into their life for no reason at all! Sharing misinformation is just as bad as being the person doing the original misinforming if not worse! Your minimal theory as to his involvement includes….oh well he was out of jail during that time is pure BS using that theory anyone who came up missing or dead during those couple months was Harry’s fault!? C’mon now that is just asinine! On a serious note … condolences to his family for having to live with constant belief he is probably deceased. I prefer to believe he’s just fine an had to go cause he was adamant about not going back to prison!!! Good luck I hope y’all get the closure your seeking!
Jet Drie, since you are replying to me, let me take a moment to correct you. I didn’t call anyone a murderer, I only did the research to see he has an extensive criminal history and was free during the time Josh went missing. I came at this from the opinion that you are innocent until proven guilty. I am looking for every reason to rule him out as a person of interest. Saying he was out at the time doesn’t mean he is guilty, it just means that he isn’t necessarily in a position to be cleared. He ran from a custody/treatment program that Linn County had him in recently so as of the moment of this comment he currently has a warrant for his arrest and is on the run from authorities. He is only making the future worse for himself regardless of this case.
Sheriff Howe said he is now more optimistic. Is that because they just now obtained the phone? It seems there are two mysteries involving this case. 1, the murder, & 2, the investigation! We are definitely in the dark here. I understand why, but it just seems like they are being extra extra vague with evidence and details. How was this story leaked, & what prompted it? The phone? We still don’t know when they “found” the phone. I sure hope the FBI and/or NSA are working on that phone. Seems to me that a likely scenario was that whatever these people were doing in that car, Alicia wasn’t supposed to see (possible rape?) & poor Alicia was killed for it. Purse found with cash still in it tells me they were in a big hurry, & that timeline sure is narrow! I’ve never seen these snap chat photos. Such a peaceful looking day yet such a dark cloud of evilness…
Something else seems troubling. There was a 15 minute window between the time she sent her last text, and her body being discovered? Seems to me that the Game Fish & Parks officer would have had to see the vehicle in question! Wasn’t there just the one road leading to and from Myron Grove? Seems like he had to see something.
I am glad they admitted to having the cellphone. I am frustrated with the various little tidbits they have not released. We have to many cold cases with agencies holding back little details to supposedly protect the investigation. This includes cause of death, weapon used, caliber of firearms used, etc. We have too many cold cases that have not been solved for over 20, 30, 40 years. Yet, the agencies are still holding back these basic details, that might have jogged someone memories.
Alicia was murdered 6 years ago. Yet, we know that she purchased a fishing license at a Walmart. Also, that a couple was making whoopee in a car. So, no one else was at the fishing spot. Yet, she was murdered within 15 minutes of her sending her last text. Now, we hear that they have her cellphone. They won’t tell us if they had it since day one or just found it.
Maybe, someone overheard where she was going fishing at the Walmart, and followed her there.
In Chicago, Illinois in 1972, we had two teenage girls murdered. They were shot in the head with a .32 caliber firearm, and they were posed with their legs in a shape of the letter V, in Washington Park. The park is located on the south east side of Chicago. There was no sexual assault of the victims.
Their murder is a cold case. An individual claims that their murder may have been ordered by Chicago Mob figures from the Bridgeport Section of Chicago. It appears the older girl (17), worked at a waitress at a restaurant connected to a motel for truckers on the Southwest side of Chicago.
The motel was operated by Chicago Mob connected individuals. Supposedly senior mob guys hung out there and the older girl may have overheard something she should not have heard. The senior leadership of the Chicago Mob, should have educated them about keeping their mouth shut.
However, we have all those details from a 1972 murder. Plus where they were last seen. We even know the older girl attended Gage Park High School, until she dropped out of school.
Also, just for general information a Frederick R. Burke, aka “Killer Burke”, who was part of the Rat Pack out of St. Louis, Missouri. He also was involved in the St. Valentine Massacre in Chicago.. He was captured based on suspicions by a civilian, who was into True Crime. He even wrote to the Justice Department in Washington, for a description of Killer Burke.
Killer Burke was taken into custody, and transferred back to St. Joseph, Michigan, where he faced charges for the murder of a policeman.
Anyone who takes an advanced interest in this cold case eventually comes to realize that one of the loudest voices has a history of spreading disinformation and fabricated stories in an attempt to keep Johnny’s name out there. If you publicly discuss the case in any form of media, and don’t follow this person’s narrative, they will attempt to discredit you. It has to be exhausting maintain their narrative, and I wish this person would clear the air. It’s probably the best thing they could do for the cold case at this point.
This is confusing and disturbing at the same time. I wish the known evidence and facts were the focus on this “documentary” and not the conspiracy theories. Do not get me wrong, I believe in some conspiracies and I think like everything else; there is a time and a place for such but not here.
The photos that were left at Noreen’s door in 2006 look to be Johnny and some other boys, just by looking at the photos they appear to have been taken not too long after he was abducted.
I am not sure what to make of him “visiting her in 1997”, that does not make any sense. We do not know if he is even alive after all these years and if he is alive, where is he?
Truth Bomb
I was a totally controlled Monarch slave when I wäs made to visit her in 97. The purpose of the visit was to hypnotically access her and erase her memories of Ted Gunderson finding me in S. Texas as carried by most
of the local news. And to make her react favorablly to the other guy who Ted pointed to in DC after Ted started working with the cover up. Many of you probably remember when they found me. I live in Lamoni, Iowa now and will continue pursuing the political cult who harmed me and continues to harm other children as you read this. And FYI I’m not a pedo as she says Paul says https://johnnygosch.wordpress.com/
Mike, why don’t you just man up and say what you really think. Rather, you are just an annoying troll adding nothing to this conversation. Please just go away.
I did though. I think the person that I’m talking about has been spreading harmful disinformation for the right reasons. I don’t think they are a bad person, but I think they’ll do anything to keep Johnny’s name out there. Unfortunately opportunistic people, pranksters, cons, and trolls take advantage of that person. This person backed themselves into a corner where I think they face legal action if they change their story.
Anyway… just look at all the comments here. It’s sad how many people pretend to be Johnny or know exactly what happened to him. One of those people pretending I think is the person I’m talking about. Sad.
The FBI refused to answer some simple questions in the documentary Who Took Johnny, and seeing how unhinged they are now, it isn’t hard to imagine how badly they have used their powers to destroy many lived and refuse to prosecute the guilty- or worse, if they were useful idiots to advancing an agenda.
Johnny’s father was super weird in the documentary. the fact that he backs this faded out podcast tells me all i need to know about any “facts” presented in it.
this Johnny guy was probably a victim of similar trauma and he probably believes he is Johnny because the real one also had severe trauma. If Jeff Gannon or Jeff Guckert wasnt the real JG then he too came off as very weird and controlled and the correct age. If the guy who claimed he was JG who died in Iowa a few years back, he too probably was screwed up. There was some sick stuff in the 70s and 80s going on because blackmail was even easier to do without the Internet and supposed deep fakes to deflect.
I don’t know if JG is still alive, but he was alive for a long time after imo. Too many sightings with handlers to deny they wanted to use him. Paul Bonacci took AMW producers to the house of the prison guard. The children’s names were written under the house where they kept them.
And a detective in Florida thinks some old dude taking bondage pics of young boys is just a joke? What bc the boys went along with it? In Conspiracy of Silence some producers had interviewed teenage boy prostitutes in Texas from the 80s. They didn’t think to help that boy? Just interview him? And, oh by the way, he was killed before the show was published as the interviewers casually states.
This stuff was even stuff people watched and considered it entertainment. Think about The Sopranoes… so it’s okay a girl who is barely an adult is being used and hit on the show?
So, according to you, the only “sane” people that are telling the truth are Noreen and Paul? The people that are talking about really elaborate conspiracies? Okay, then. This is exactly why the case won’t be solved. Too many people have decided conspiracies make more sense than using common sense when looking at this case.
Listen To Vanushed Episode 283 Harry Milligan(By the way Very Well done)
“thar day” you mentuined
Vickie(mom) Hot ob the Trail by 730 pm LE Stopd ny Missing REPORT
Initially Indicates Lenard and Vickir Home unless had Left and Returned
ok Plausiable leaning more towards not Probable
Riual Farm AREA Quiet(Very) hear Cricket Chitp Block away.
You outsude? Saw heard Harrys Car Driven across Street to Shed?
1984 Vickie and Lenard imagine 30s to 40s? No mention Deaf mutes
2 to 3 guys did something Harry, No NOISE.
Heard LOT Names ie last known Harry with Jeff and Doug.
Never HEARD ANYWHERE POCAST any DAVIS Mentuined? Person Interest or OTHERWISE.
Jim you have Audiance. me Included. (Reaches for POPCORN per say
Reported weather FOG. I dont know how THICK.
I’m Interested who “jim” is now?
You Blame me? You told me(audiance).
Note” Last FARM gig Security I did SO Dark. so DARK placed Light senors motion Dwtecrors know if something MOVED and what. Had 12 gauge on my shoullder.
cone on jim
37 years?
recall saying s*** or get OFF thr Pot(maybe both types) 37 years?
listen Vanished
Tho now Im Interedted hearing from Jeff and Doig Disscussion basis or simple what happened rgeir version “thar day”
Here is my Theory to that all three of them were inside the trailer harry was thought to be sleeping for what they may have thought passed out drunk but harry didn’t drink as much as they thought and tryed to take his winnings while he was sleeping but harry woke up and harry got into it with them made to the front porch the porch faced tords the field away from the road only possibilites up to the point moving forward
Matk as Town Albia and Avery want HRRY and maybe VEHICLE RCOVERED.
37 years? Come on Jim.
Iv Put Out to ANY Mine Shaft Explores Interested wanna Drop Cameras or repel contact info Monroe County
already posted.
Text into Mr Beast possiable Funding. Already has Millions in Donations.
Sometimes may take interest.
Liked Jimmys last VideoLast take Hand OFF LAMBO keeps it.
Jimmy I mentioned 1sr Put Hands on 21977 Pontac may be Cool Challenge.
Sometimes you just want to forget and then one day a drunk old man desides to run off and make comments about the situation people would not believe how dangerous one person may be but if you would go as far as your own brother says a lot just saying
Mentioned Me Former Military Police Jnvestigator Plain Clothes
. Arrive. Intial Interview. No Indication Drugs.
Wgat happened to Mother? Spoke well not errational
No drugs, no beating, calm woman ecr ect
Didnt check Visibility, ie tain, fog distance Sighting or hearing factors, sure Avery and Albia on it.
or Jim still peekin in?
Obvious ypur leisure care to.
Color Shed
Metal or wood
Big enough Car?
barn doors or open ended
How far sighted, clos
neighbors recall
close enoigh hear
rain. fog rhat day?
Trees 1984 impair sight, bushes ect
colot clothes All contrasting car, maybe Harry Stoog OUT
Obvious Who Drove Car across Street
1984 Description Housings, Scenery ect for Visual
Cell Phone? I started using 83 – 84
Dusturbance wake you or headed out
If you went to Tech High between 1983-85, and you never heard about Penny Watson death then you most of not been in school. There is NO WAY you could have missed her death in school.
Latenr Prints research Indicate have been Raised (llifted) ip to 40 Years. Research Indicates No Scientific Evidence How Long will last.
Tho Avery or Albia May wind up with the Answer..
Harry was Young Marine. As “Jim” Mentioned 2 to 3 Giys on “point to subdue no Knife Gun. Would probally Knock off Harry Struggle. Example ONLY Jim only said “Did something” with Harry.
Both Towns Probally Full tems sitting atound 60 to 80 years
Wonder LE Interest on Fingerprint training? Might be Fun find some Old Furnitire
If was Atruggle can determine may picked up glassea TOSSED 20 30 yards or into Car.
Avery and Albia Hot on TRAIL per say Handle with care. Even Locate car CONSIDER Fragile to this day.
One would think that considering all of the available resources to state & federal agencies they could figure this out. All of the Spyware & surveillance technology they use for other things could be used in these unsolved MURDER CASES.
Cool. Thanks Return Post Reply. Me? Former PI Manager Miami New Orleans and DC
Independent Operator NOT for HIRE tho what involved with since 70s
l do not “hang shingle” in buisness per say
personal interest? To Long . Lots embers ect Put um out or Fire them Up
Like reading Nancy Drew Mystery cept has LIVE Brother Waiting.
Harrys case caught my attention. Anything Important? May be willing Meet and apay Expenses, room, travel, meals. Short Window tho but will pass oN as needed.
Never in News, except NO Name Case resolved; Nor No Intention
YOU? Most Direct to issue. pointed, no BS. Somewhat REFRESHING. I will be Shadow bpxing in Background per say”
my Interest Resolved Not Headlines Except “Harrys been Found like to SEE
Russ I would love to answer each and every question you have but at this time I can’t irs not that I don’t have an answer but the people that need the information at this time needs to only stay between them and me however there are a few things I can point I grew up around the Davis family most of my life and the question about gary Richard and jb gary did not want any part of Richard and JBs doings Gary did not use his practice in any way to benefit the other two
Russ looks into Cyber Space. Knock knock, Jim you in their?
Not like Zach 2 Words gone. Figure Supernowl NEWS Chasing
Never heard reporter tell someone “Shit Up” Scratches Head
Lil Off Subject
Hey Zach srill around? May SEE Superbowl. Told Ford Think Once Look Twice “Futurlitically. Optimized. . Reliably, Driven, FORD
the day observed Harry argue and Car “The Car” Driven ACTOSS stteet, Was SAME Date Harry went Missing with :The Car:?.
Jim Im an IO. Anything IMPORTANT to say? Ill buy YOU Ticket Weekend Dinner meet YOU, Know few LE mighr have Interesr, or arrange meet with LE,
Not doing Much today my end.
The Poker Room Ill throw in $100 biuy i
chew the the Steak.(Fat per say) ight Ruffle FEW FEATHERS
Is Richard Davis same wo killed Dtr Brother 2011 Driveway?.
ome on Jim.
Could Google address wpould prefer 1984 Visual on recall.
Why would someone Drive Car across Street? Bacck dirt road exit another roadway behinnd a Jouse?
If Davis Brother Connection Id Check who RECEIVING Presctiption Drugs. Then and NOW.
1984 Prescription Drugs Showing Up. Popular 84 still today.
IF Doctor Davis Brothers(killing)
recent video post 2 Eagles Locked together by Talons Tussling on Ground
2 birds same feather flock together. To me expressing Focal Point of Interest
Can someone tell me why they wont release how he passed? This whole thing just doesn’t add up- at all. Like is there a reason they are holding the cause of death back?
KA, it seems some law enforcement agencies hold back some details, on homicides. I have seen where some police agency, claim they are holding back the cause of death to protect the investigation.
Yet, we have a number of agencies that released that the person was strangled, shot, stabbed, blunt force trauma, etc. was the cause of death. So, there is nothing uniform about it. If I remember right there are three cases on this forum, where the victim was murdered, but how they were murdered is not stated.
It bothers me that holding back the cause of death, on a cold case that has not been solved for more then 20 or more years, just bugs the heck out of me. Some agencies will hold back some other detail such as a ring was missing from a victim.
They will use the excuse that they don’t want someone wandering in and confessing to a crime, that they did not commit. So, holding back some details is a way of preventing it.
did anyone read that murderers obituary, should not of even been linked. dont want to give a killer any type of recognition thats anyway positive. hope he rots in hell
I had one of Julie’s sons in my Sunday school class. My heart breaks for this family and I was shocked at the time at how little media coverage this story got. Still so sad the case hasn’t been solved!
My father Franz Curtis worked as a butcher at Federal Fruit Market when I was young. I remember going to their house when I was young and knew both Connie and Maria. They were all great people!
I was wondering why my cousin Ameisha Heard’s homicide hasn’t been listed here, She was shot and killed in May 2014. There was a person of interest in her case but because witnesses back out he was let go from jail. I never got to meet Ameisha because at the time of her death I was living in Texas. It’s been 7 years for our family and no justice for Ameisha.
I am wondering about siblings; the article states he had 11 siblings, yet only identifies 8. Also, all the links only repeat the same information found in this article.
Who was the friend he spent the evening with at the Filling Station? Did that friend also walk home or did they have a vehicle? Had he done this walk home from Filling Station any other time? I assume he was walking back to his parent’s home.
With so many mysterious deaths and searches for someone to question, makes me wonder who are those that would be questioned in Mike’s death??? Seems like no one ever mentioned a thing about this then 1975! So much time has passed by …. It would be such a relief to get some answers. I pray that we could get some answers! Thanks to everyone who works to help families of victims get some help to help healing of these deaths.
I’m telling you the killer is from this area!! I followed Lyric and Elizabeth’s murders and told a lady on the phone they would be found by a body of water in a park.. this person has been killing people for a long time and I get the vibe that hes an older man now that EVERYONE KNOWS and wouldnt expect! I see and older truck with a camper and he has the nicest smile and vary polite! May even of owed a business in the area.. He also owns several properties in the area!
Doe Network says that the match has actually been submitted before, and that they forwarded the information to Law Enforcement. Clearly there was no follow up by LE, because Matthew is not in the list of exclusions for that unidentified person. A different organization (The DNA Doe Project) working on that case through genetic genealogy is checking into whether he could be a match for Matthew now.
Thanks for the update, Jenni. So many things match in this case, and the physical similarities are remarkable. I look forward to hearing whether there’s a match to Matthew. The “list of exclusions” you referenced is invaluable; it saves both researchers and investigators from running out the same lead and hitting the same dead end.
It almost seems like a case of her seeing something she shouldn’t have and getting murdered for it. Evidence could be on the phone. Could be why no one has come forward, because their the perp & why phone is gone. This case has always bothered me. Such a tragedy..Evilness is everywhere
Cecil DuBois was my great uncle. Not sure who see this? Was there any forensic Evidence? Maybe someone could look into this? My name is Randall Bertrand
Cicil was my great uncle. Not really sure who see this? When was the last time someone has looked at this case. Was there Forensic left that my could help? Phone 520 808 2720
Maureen Brubaker Farley’s murder was solved and the suspect George M. Smith of Cedar Rapids was identified through dna but he will not be brought to justice because he died back in 2013.
CRPD announced today that they’ve closed this case. The man who murdered Maureen died in 2013 but he’d been one of their main suspects from the start. He knew her from the diner. It was solved with DNA technology.
I saw this news too. Luckily the Farley family has a little bit of closure. I can’t help but wonder how George M. Smith’s family feels and if they knew he was a suspect all those years.
He knew her from the diner. I would be nice if we knew more about his background. It might provide a possible motive for her murder. He was in his early 50’s, when she was murdered.
From what I read he was a known suspect, whether or not his family and friends knew that is unknown. I’m just kind of curious if the family of George M. Smith are nodding in agreement or if they are more defensive and thinking he is innocent until proven guilty? When a police department closes a case like this is there any 3rd party review of their evidence?
According to the new this case was finally solved thanks to DNA.
Investigators linked and confirmed one suspect, George M. Smith, that had died in 2013 at the age of 94.
Smith had been identified as an acquaintance of Brubaker-Farley’s from the diner she worked at, had gone to police multiple times to inquire about the progress of the investigation, and worked at a liquor store near her apartment.
He was interviewed in 1971 and declined a polygraph test but never charged.
Sarah, your comment about him going to the police and inquiring about the investigation, reminded me of something in the book ‘Mindhunter’, by FBI Special Agent John Douglas. He was one of the leading FBI criminal profilers.
He mentioned consulting on various cases, and that the offender might be the one who interjects himself into the investigation. So, a criminal profiler might have been able to take notice of that. Mr. Smith might have have caught sooner if this had been brought up.
It also makes you wonder if Maureen’s murder was the only one he committed or were there others? He sexually assaulted her and then must’ve redressed her and washed her feet before placing her body on the car trunk. She was not wearing shoes when she was found, so did he keep the shoes as a trophy? I’d definitely be looking into other unsolved cases in the areas where he lived, see if any of them have similar M.O.’s.
Paula Oberbroeckling was murdered at 810 5th Street S.E. on July 11, 1970. This was a prostitute’s place of residence. If you ask the question……why were Paula’s hands tied together? I would quess that Paul’s hands were tied together to prevent Paula from leaving the prostitutes’s house at 810 5th Street S.E.
Paula’s autopsy shows that her toes could have been broken. I would quess that Paula broke her toes by kicking a person who was trying to rape her. This person then killed Paula by smothering her to death with a pillow.
Your birthday was a couple days ago and you have been on my mind a lot. I am older now then the age you were when that man took your life. Your grandson that you wanted born on your birthday, however he couldn’t wait an extra day is 25 now, just celebrated his birthday the day before yours. I wish he could have gotten to know you, I have the one picture of you & him that I treasure. Your youngest daughter has grown into a beautiful woman and she is the best mother to your 2 youngest grandchildren. I wish you could have met them, they are so stinking cute! Your sons on the other hand could really use you to watch over them. I wish I could say they are doing as well. Help them as much as you can.
Lisa, what a beautiful tribute to your mom for what would have been her 68th birthday. It’s always so nice to hear from a victim’s family member and learn how his or her children and grandchildren went on to build lives while never forgetting the one who set them on that path. Thank you so much for sharing this with us and our readers. Your mom would be so proud.
The woman who was murdered in Boone by the name of Penny did they find out who murdered her and left her son in the house. The house is or was on old highway 30
You remind me of my little brother. You both have similar features, and your case hits really close to home. I hope we are able to find you alive buddy, as I can barely stand this, and I am sure your family can barely either. My heart breaks for you as the months keep going and no closure to this yet. I wish someone would speak up because I know someone knows something out there. Your smile is infectious little man, all prayers towards you.
It’s too bad more information isn’t available. I wonder if a FOIA request to the Webster County Sheriff’s Office could result in any information that isn’t already publicly available.
Mike D, I assume that the agency will not release any more information, since the case is still open. However, it bugs me that we have all these cold cases, and especially with homicides they quite often hold back some detail, so that a person who did not commit the crime, will not come in and confess to the crime.
Many agencies, usually hold back some details, on the murder. What bugs me, is that in some cold cases we know the caliber of the firearm used in a murder. In other cases that information is not released. Some agencies will release the cause of death information, other don’t claiming to want to protect the investigation.
I don’t know what they are protecting it from, besides they being beyond their expertise. But, then many agencies never reached out to bigger agencies for help.
We have cases that have not been solved for 10, 20, 30, 40 years or more, and yet they won’t release these small details, that might help solve a case.
if they are still holding back some small detail, it has not helped find her. But, then many agencies really never put the effort forth to investigate missing adults. Adults who disappear have not broken any laws.
But, then they should pull the case file and see if they can develop some new information, or fill in the blanks they never answered.
There was a young woman, in Texas, who disappeared over 25 or more years ago. Her father mentioned it to a constable with Harris County. He never filed a report. The missing woman’s sister, filed a report with another agency. After 22 years she asked them what they did on the report. She found that considered it a well being check, and never completed a report.
I believe the missing woman and her car were found in a body of water, a year or two ago.
There was a case in Omaha, Nebraska, where a young boy was lured away after getting off a bus. The family reported him missing to the Omaha Police Department. They never made a report or conducted an investigation.
So the family hired a private detective, who traced the boy and his kidnapper to a cabin in Idaho. So the FBI and the local sheriff officers rescued him.
So, how we handled missing persons is mess. We make a bog deal out of the disappearance of Gabby, but others never get the necessary attention, except being added to the “The Charley Project”, Redditt, Websleuths, and the Doe Network.
I wonder if Mr. Handlon is such a wanted person, why the service of the warrant was not turned over to the U.S. Marshals Service. They should be able to track him down. I wonder if he was in the scrap metal business, he may have disposed of Mr. Delaney at some facility.
Mark Handlon is definitely a felon. He stole money from me. And he was cheating scrap metal recyclers in the Quad-Cities area. He stole two trucks from lady that I live with. And he he lived there. And stole $1,000.00 plus more money from the lady & me awhile lot.
Maybe the serial killer Samuel Little? I know he was a serial killer during this time frame who murdered tons of African American women. Not sure if he was ever in Iowa but he apparently killed 90+ people.
I know Mark Edward Handlon is a felon & a thief. He stole money from me & tried to kill me in the Motel 6 motel in Moline, IL. He had such a terrible & threatening anger. And it was worse when I worked with him. Doing scrap metal business. He always said, he would watch out for me(Gary Sobie). And give me money from the work that we did. But he(Mark)always was carrying lots of money with him. But he would always keep most of it for himself & exwife(Marilee Handlon). Her address is: 4903 28th Ave, Moline, IL. And if any police department is looking for Mark. Look at his exwifes house for sure. And watch her house, because she is a co-conspirator with Mark.
I have questions. What was the name of the judge who chronicled the domestic abuse and at least partially concluded that Dave was lying? It couldn’t have been the juvenile court judge who gave custody to Dave. Or was it? Because if domestic abuse evidence, that much of it, was testified to, the juvenile court judge was incompetent to award Dave custody. And what court papers are available to the public? I don’t know if it’s progress that someone can be convicted of murder without a body found, because circumstantial evidence is a tricky and slippery slope to try a case on. But I’m surprised, given the evidence outlined here, that the county attorney didn’t bring a case. Terribly surprised. Who was the county prosecutor at that time?
All these people commenting. Where is your evidence? Especially the story of hip bone and a spine being found in the river. I guarandamntee you I would harass the cops until they told me what THAT was about. C’mon.
Also-they reunite on Labor Day because the wife wants to reconcile? Did he? Surely she confided in her friends. Sounds like they were a fairly popular couple and drug users always know alot of people.
Intetesting that Dave claimed sobriety at one point. Isn’t he in jail this very moment for drunk driving? (Monday, September 13, 2021) I bet he went to AA. I went to meetings somewhere else with a man who murdered his wife. AA is such a hide out for predators. Silly cult.
Why didn’t the family pursue a civil case against him? And at least get a verdict of damages, because they would have. And my point is not the amount they would receive. That doesn’t matter. It’s the moral victory of winning the case that shows the perpetrator and the community that he’s never going to really get away with anything.
I’m surprised the dude had the stones to stay in Cedar Rapids. And that anybody in the area would avail themselves of his services.
The 2nd wife died of cancer in 2015? At 55? Very young. That’s terrible.
My heart is with the daughter. And, no, a baby’story would never be enough to convict someone of murder. It breaks my heart that the girl was kept from her mom’s family. But I’m glad it gave them joy to finally have contact with her.
I hope Dave Fraley will at least tell his daughter the truth before he dies. Unless she had a lover, it’s pretty inconceivable to me that he didn’t kill her.
The Iowa Missing Person Information Clearinghouse (MPIC) is usually the first to delete a report once the individual has been located. As of today, they still show Chantal Steeg as missing.
For the longest time, Facebook also showed Cari Farver as alive and posting. We now know Shanna Golyar impersonated Cari on Facebook after she killed her. The posts on Chantal’s page (primarily new profile pictures, one after the other, with an occasional link to an offsite article) strike a familiar chord.
As long as MPIC lists Chantal Steeg as still missing (and physically endangered at that), she remains on our Missing Persons page.
My good friend Billy worthen was wrongfully accused and treated so poorly sorry for barb and her family but also sorry for the wrongfully accused as well
I think the key here is the wallet.
Either he didn’t think he would need it for a short drive, or more probably, he forgot it when he decided to go to a specific place.
Then there is the 3rd consideration of kidnapping/robbery.
From the limited information provided I would speculate that he went for gas. The realization of forgetting his wallet is what set whatever scenario in motion. I would have first questioned the nearest gas stations.
I picture him asking for cash from someone and getting rolled or taken advantage of.
It would help if we knew what time of day he left and if his home was locked up.
I knew Patty in the early 1970s. She was so much fun and a good person. When I went to college, we lost touch. I had no idea she had been murdered until my sister shared this post on her FB. I was devastated to find out that she had been murdered and murdered so brutally.
I don’t know whether law enforcement has viable DNA that can be tested, but there are several labs that are now doing Genetic Genealogy and using DNA matches to identify one or more suspects. The first case solved using this method was the infamous Golden State Killer case.
One lab, Parabon Nanolabs has solved well over 100 cold cases in the last few years. There is a cost for their services and the investigating LE agency has to contact Parabon to start the process. I imagine the other labs offering this service operate the same way.
The most important question is whether there is DNA that was collected at the crime scene and whether the DNA has been properly stored for for 25 years.
I hope that they give Janice her own article. There might be someone that is out there that may know something.. I live in her home currently and finding out about her tragic death I feel so connected to this home and her. I wish her soul peace. We go to her grave and give her flowers that her father planted many years ago that still pop up..
I just reading article dated 4/16/2021 by Leslie Thompson of the Argus Observer which is the daily newspaper of Ontario, Oregon. It talks about a bag of bones recovered and Keith Schuller was called to examine them to determine what they were. He said he used the coroner’s book to identify them as deer. Also last year another bag of bones found were determined to be a cow. Since Keith examined them could they have really been Lynn’s bones and not animal? They should have had a second opinion because of Keith’s background. What an opportunity to finally get rid of the bones if they were really Lynn’s.
I find it very suspicious that LDS would block access to a TRAILER for their film on this website. A trailer is nothing more than an advertisement. In this case, FREE advertising for their product. So why block a potential sale? Somethings not right here.
The film is a joke. It’s horrible journalism. They simply looked into conspiracy theories that sound fake anyways. When the film was made the Faded Out podcast didn’t exist, and Yellow Bag hadn’t made his comments on here yet. However, there were still articles from the 80’s about Millhouse, Sykora, that guy at the mall, and the pedophile ring in Des Moines that was busted. A real journalist would have followed those leads.
When I see a child missing with no pictures, no information as to details where they went missing. Just their name, location date they went missing i don’t understand why there is no picture, no information. How do they expect the public to help. Very disturbing to say the least.
Theresa, I’ve often asked myself that same question, but the info put out on many missing persons cases can be quite limited. For example, right now, there are 331 individuals listed as missing on the IDPS’s Missing Person Information Clearinghouse site. Of the 331 missing, 65 have a photo.
My understanding is that the investigating agency will provide a photo to MPIC “if” the one filing the missing person report provides a picture of the individual to LE officials at the time they file the MP report.
Missing persons photos may be emailed to mpicinfo@dps.state.ia.us, but the photo or photos will have to be verified by the appropriate jurisdiction.
A lot of these accusations about Babe and 1 or 2 others our stories that aren’t all true.
👉 Remember this: Once you get caught the big lie you gotta wiggle your way out of the corner your in and kiss ass. They are phony kiss ass ppl, and whenever they get caught in the big lie, they’ll try wiggling there way out kissing ass. Do not let them do that!
👉 That is true about babe always having a bodyguard but i don’t think he himself was a mobster. He may of had friends who were but i don’t think he ever joined any mafia family. He was a bootlegger at one time way back in the 30’s but who wasn’t. Most everyone was poor back in them days. Once again, a lot of these rumors about babe are stories, right?
Babe was not in the mob. He associated with some and was involved in bootlegging, etc… He had nothing to do with this murder. My guy says husband 100%.
The address of that location he was seen on camera is never given. Which US Cellular building? How far away from ASAC was he? The sister and friends on the family’s facebook group stay tight-lipped, but they could at least share more information like that. They want people to speak up, but they wont speak up. Let us help.
I think at this point they should follow the example of other cold cases and not think any detail is too insignificant. I get not wanting to share their theories and everything, but basic factual details are lacking. Even the question about which US Cellular building he was last caught on camera at gets multiple answers from various people.
Jodi! My heart breaks for you & your families loss!
What a senseless & sick thing for a person or people to do!
They didn’t care that that home filled with gas & would kill people!!
They just wanted money.
I’m so so sorry!
As always praying for justice for him, you & your family & loved ones!
He is always with you & I’m sure he is so proud of you & who you are & what you have done!
I knew Sheila well in high school. She was bright, vivacious and fun to be around. That this happened to her is more than terrible and that no one was ever caught is even worse.
Iowa’s White more Powerful Proud Boys, have killed, tortured, and lynched, to cover-up their on-going contamination of 1/2 million Iowans’ Source Water. According to the State of Iowa and IDNR’s Russ Tell’s 2008 mapped out on-going “Plume of contamination” in the Cedar Valley Group Aquifers, this contamination continues to spread throughout 8 Iowa Counties, on the “LEFT” side of Iowa.
According to then Governor Branstad’s Attorney, Colon Smith, on about 2/2/2017 this Plume only affected the Bloom or Left side of Iowa, as if we were not important, or our water quality was of no value. Governor Branstad sent for two more Iowa Highway Patrolmen to escort me out of his office in our State Capital.
This “Plume” of Point Source contamination starts in Cedar (W) Township Mitchell County Iowa’s Designated National Wetland’s Aquifer Recharge Area of Sinkholes. Kleckner/Branstad’s Flood drainage channels were built to channel run-off over roads and through farms, homes, small towns, and bigger cities by the Worth and Mitchell County Engineer, James Hyde, to drain 50,000 agricultural acres faster in parts of Worth, Cerro Gordo, and Mitchell Counties.
Draining Ag nitrogen fertilizers, and long-lasting in-organic Arsenic chemicals (herbicides/pesticides) and E-Coli, Coliform, and Cyanobacteria and their deadly Cyanotoxins, along with heavy metals in Climate Changes increased floods, washing ponding water down into the drinking water source of Mitchell, Floyd, Butler, Bremer, Benton, Black Hawk, Lynn, and Johnson County Iowa unsuspecting residents.
Support the Biden/Harris Administration’s reinstatement of access to EPA and NRCS data, so my son, Adam M. Lack’s “RUSLE3” equations can again limit Point Source contamination of our US groundwater or Aquifers. Veronica M. Lack
Harris/Booker’s Anti-Lynching bill, would have made “Lynching a Federal Crime”.
Their Bill should have been passed long ago, maybe there would not have been a need for George Floyd’s Minneapolis Memorial Service, or my son’s too.
Republican’s senator’s waited until Harris/Booker were to fly to attend George Floyd’s MN Memorial. Our Republican controlled Senate, pulled this bill out of his pile of about 400 good House passed Bills, and Republican Senators smeared and bad mouthed this bill with lies, as both Harris and Booker hurried to come back from the airport to speak in its defense. Republican’s Speaker Mitch McConnell had held it in the pile backlogged, until he knew they were going to be attending George Floyd’s Service. In a blink of Republican lies, Republican Senator’s voted it down.
I’m just one of the 1,000 of mothers, still alive, waiting for JUSTICE, for our sons and daughters lives. Adam was tortured, killed or lynched and his death is still used to threaten others less powerful than the White, Powerful, Proud Boy, Legislators, Governors, and Conglomerate Corporations that still benefit/profit from Adam’s death. There has been no investigation of Adam’s lynching yet 13 years after Judge Bryan H. McKinley and Dean Kleckner’s Contractors are pictured controlling the Scene, while Adam is being tortured and killed.
Iowa Highway Patrolman, Graham Palas’ photo’s still haunt me as Judge Bryan H. McKinley and Dean Kleckner’s Mayer’s Digging Company contractors stand by joking about 8-9 hours after Adam had chased away Bradley Johnson and Brody Mitchell from my farm home on the night of 7/12/2008. Judge Bryan H. McKinley looks to be directing the scene and Kleckner’s contractors look like they are celebrating the fact that they are refusing aide to Adam still trapped. Adam’s Mom, Veronica Lack
so i’ve researched the villisca axe murders and haven’t saw them in this website and i would say that the villisca case is very cold and unsolved to this day.
I searched Mr. William Lee Halterman, born in 1959, on Ancestry.com. I found that he had connections to two different residences in Vicksburg, Mississippi. One of them is 430 Roy Young Road, which lists a Bonita Halterman, William L. Halterman (61) as homeowners and a Vernon Halterman.
Also, an address at 380 Roy Young Road, which appears to be a manufactured mobile home of some sort, which was built in 1997.
Also, he had an address of 1533 Iowa Avenue, in Chariton, Iowa. It is identified as a two bedroom house, with a detached garage. I noticed that there is West Lake in Chariton. A nice place to dump a car.
It seems that he may have lived in Waterloo, Iowa.
Lashanda…. is your email address still the same as mentioned below? I would love for his middle name to be Lee as you stated; sadly, I am certain it is not.
That is his middle name. Now I’m not saying the man that Patrick researched is the guy but Lee is his middle name. I know this for a fact. It’s not even an argument point. I know the name of the man that was intimately in my life. However with that being said why are you so convinced that it’s not? What has you believing that it isn’t even though the victim’s child is confirming that it is in fact Lee.
All of the information you posted is incorrect Patrick. He’s born and raised in Warren County, Iowa. Her car was never dumped (in a lake), it’s my understanding it was traded in. But I assure you Patrick, that is the wrong William.
Jessica, If you check Shane brought up a reference to Mississippi. Also, the guy I searched had connections to Iowa.
Also, the fact that I mentioned the lake, was an observation
There are a number of missing persons who have been found along with their vehicles have been found in lakes, ponds and other bodies of water.
I completely understand how you connected the dots; however, after a podcast done in Des Moines that has Beth’s daughter, Shanda, as well as Sgt Paul Parizek giving details of Bill, where they both were employed, what happened to her Prism, etc. I can tell you with 100% certainty that William Lee Halterman, isn’t the correct William.
Would like to know the name of the person that reported it. why that during their Gathering of evidence and going over that they were able to determine that he was only hit once but so incompetent that they couldn’t even take multiple swabs for comparison. So was it incompetence or evidence tampering that caused the swabs to be useless? And if it was evidence tampering was it before or after police got there
And Alvernia Beets died this year, also. Her obit mentions that James Junior Browning (her son) predeceased her. All of the likely psychopathic perps are now dead, except for Wendell’s psychopathic, homicidal, sex offending, son Tony.
You don’t know what you are talking about because for 1 Alvernia Franklin was a great woman that had no involvement in anything any lived a full blessed life! Unlike your scary self hiding to be anonymous thinking you know something you don’t know anything about! Since you so about trying to put false allegations out here be bold and put that name out here as well!
I’ll not put my name out here because although the psychopaths of that generation are gone, there are still certain psychopath descendants and I don’t want to be the next missing person murdered by a member of the Beets clan.
So just what is a false allegation on here?
Alvernia’s son was James Junior Browning. That is indisputable. He was clearly a psychopath based upon the number, versatility, and violence of his criminal convictions. Are you saying that the newspapers made these things up? Did the police, the courts, the juries, the newspapers, and everyone collude? Of course not. James Junior Browning committed these acts. James Junior Browning — Alvernia’s son — sexually violated a number of girls in the 1960’s. Alvernia’s son also was a convicted thief, extortionist, batterer, and forger. Purse-snatching, car theft, theft of marble chips, you name it, are the diverse types of theft alone that Alvernia’s son James Junior Browning perpetrated. Alvernia’s son threatened to kill a woman he had beaten. James Junior Browning was a one-man crime wave.
And just like Alvernia’s son James Junior Browning committed the crimes that have been reported in newspaper articles over the years that have been reproduced here, various of Alvernia’s siblings have committed terrible crimes, such as Alvernia’s brother sex offender Wendell Beets committing a sex offense against a young lady who was a member of his congregation, or Alvernia’s brother Alvin Roland Beets committing murder and other crimes. Both Wendell’s and Alvin’s criminal convictions are part of the reported jurisprudence of this nation. Their criminal appeals have been published in state law reporters. Those convictions, and the facts behind them, are undeniable.
Various of the children, and grandchildren, of Alvernia’s siblings have committed terrible crimes as have been partially detailed in this page.There criminal records, as detailed in the newspapers of this state, speak for themselves. Heck, Tony Lee Beets, the son of Colbert L. Beets, and Alvernia’s nephew, attempted to rape a woman at knife-point.
Moving on, the former Cedar Rapids police chief publicly stated that Alvernia knew exactly what happened to Paula Oberbroeckling. How can you possibly deny this?
Yet you have the audacity to claim that these are false allegations and that I don’t know what I’m talking about. What a hoot! I have spent hundreds of hours of my life looking into the Beets family, mostly because of this case, but also because it is a very interesting study into a case of presumptive genetic psychopathy.
We know that psychopathy is largely genetic. Certainly, it is necessary for childhood abuse and/or neglect to really set it off and create violent people. But we know that it is largely genetic.
Given the number of crimes that the siblings, nieces and nephews, and grandnieces and nephews, of Alvernia committed, and given the extreme violent nature of those crimes, including sexual violence, I think that it’s safe to say that there is significant genetic psychopathy in the family, and that many of the children were abused behind closed doors (or, for that matter, in the presence of family members who covered up for the adult perps.).
Don’t be a gaslighter. Don’t be a false denier. Don’t be a liar. Don’t be an apologist. Don’t be an enabler.
They should test the DNA of these two children.
If they match then it had to be someone who had access to the shredder at the facility & could access it without anyone really seeing them.
What kind of evil monster would out a baby through a shredder?!
I hope they catch this evil person one day!
I pray they do!!
The Des Moines Register reported in Feb. 2021 that foul play was not suspected. I can say as a resident of Franklin County that Ethan was brought hime after being identified and his family quietly interred his remains and not a peep has been heard since. I think he was either high or drunk or both and accidentally drove into the water and everyone is too ashamed to admit it.
Respect the deceased please ! No one knows what happened, so to say he was drunk or high is just hear say. Less there is concrete evidence then
no point guessing.
I honestly think that there were underage drinking kids and someone did see something and no one had the guts to try and save him or say anything because they were all parting to much and did not want to get caught and go to jail, and by it sitting in water for 7 years all evidence will be gone, BESIDES they said his body was in the back seat hmmm does that not ring suspicion here. and yes I am respecting Ethan because in really why has this not been thought of by someone it’s the only logical explanation of why was he in the backseat and all windows were up…
Bodies are found in the back seat most often because the heaviest part of your car is the engine and most waterways have an incline to their depth. It’s only logical the engine would sink furthest due to weight and be in deeper than the rear because that would be the direction the car would normally be going.
Now since the car is pointing down at this incline the body wil float to the highest point (the rear roof) until all the gasses are realeased and it gradually floats down.
Of course if they are strapped in and/or going backwards this wouldn’t apply.
I’m telling you after putting some pieces together, actions of police, and investigators. I really think they didn’t want the evidence or the victim to be found. I feel that this is a real cover up. He was working on computers and data. Can you imagine the information he may have had access to. Something very fishy here. It could have been an individual foul play or a conspiracy piece of the pie. In today’s political war and things going on right now that are getting crazy, I seriously would consider a conspiracy plot. The body language of the police chief and others was not favorable. Actions speak louder than words. Someone or some people didn’t want Ethan to be found .
The car was intact with a full windshield when the Adventures with Purpose crew found it. After being forced off the property for a day, they were allowed back onto the property just as it was being pulled out of the water. The windshield somehow was mysteriously missing when it emerged from the water, leading me to believe that it had been popped to remove evidence (of an inside job I assume). The body was located in the back seat which rules out the theory of Ethan accidentally driving into the pond. I also think this may have been a cover up, considering that the sheriff told Adventures with Purpose that the pond had already been searched by the county and basically inferred that it would be a waste of time to search again. All of the secrecy and suspicious activity by the authorities in this case has me wondering what really happened. Something doesn’t seem right. Then, after his body was found and identified, there was a quick declaration of ‘no foul play suspected’ and then silence. How can foul play not be suspected when he was found in the back seat?
True .. why else would he be in the back seat and if he was leaving to go home First instinct when you’re leaving to go somewhere you start your car put your seatbelt on in the net seatbelt I may be wrong but I’m not the only one thinking it
according to the people who found him, most people who are not wearing seat belts tend to end up in the back of the car. i dont know if their body floats back there or he tried to get out as the car was filling and went to the back seat. its just sad though it took that long to find him
In their video you can see that the windshield was broken when they found the car under water. They just didnt show it. So it’s not correct that it was mysteriously missing.
That is exactly what I am saying I watched Jared clear that car all windows were in tack none broken not one than they refused to let AWP back there and the front window is out Ethan in the backseat maybe one of the cops kids murdered him that night and now he is being protected. its bull crap besides the police were crappy to AWP because they did the job better then their own county 7 years ago.. I just wished I knew if this was ever completely solved after everything was done or is this an still ongoing investigation. I know how these things go with them hiding evidence.
I have seen Johnny’s photo so many time and now to know the circumstances, I’m very interested in him being found.
Please do not say hurtful things about his mom. No one can imagine what she’s been through unless you were in her shoes.
For her sake, I will pray for answers.
Noreen has viciously and falsely accused people of kidnapping Johnny just because they made her mad. That includes her ex, the police chief, a journalist, and even a private eye who all tried to help find Johnny. Sorry, but her victim card is wearing thin after all the crazy nastiness she has shown to others.
* The “private eye” Sam Soda lied about the Gosches hiring him when he actually inserted himself into the investigation without their prompting. He had connections to the Mafia, and was able to both acquire and show child pornography in public yet face no consequences; Ron Wheeler, the first assistant Polk County attorney who let Sam off the hook, later went into private practice and defended Sam on charges of beating his teenage stepson (https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27525831/the_des_moines_register/). Sam told several lies on Faded Out, including the aforementioned falsehood about the Gosches hiring him and claiming Mary Bock was in the room with him during his Frank Sykora interrogation despite Bock herself telling Faded Out that she wasn’t; he also rather suspiciously tried to get Sarah to stop looking into Yellow Bag’s theory of Johnny being targeted by pedophiles at the Des Moines Register. And the Gosch family’s own suspicion of Sam was shared by both Noreen and LJG at the time (https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34484387/gosches_ltte_sam_soda/), despite what LJG tries to claim now.
Not sure what “journalist” you’re referring to, but given that everyone else you mentioned was justifiably suspect in Noreen’s eyes, I have a feeling that they were as well.
Another Des Moines good ol’ boys club member? It’s no wonder crimes of this nature go unsolved in those places- no one has the guts or open mind to see the plain truth because it is too scary for them to believe evil walks among us as mild mannered plain looking folks. Or they know the truth and don’t want it coming out.
RIP Kimmie my sister Kim I miss you soo much Happy bday in heaven today.Tell Mom,Dad,Steven,Michael,and little Larry the second we miss you guys every second! Love your sister,Terrie(nickname) I wish you would have met your niece Natalia,and my husband Monte I love you 😘 Love Always and forever your sister Teresa
It’s clearly the wife. He caught her naked in bed with the guy & was shot & killed.
Probably by the guy but she clearly wasn’t “scared” of him because she was seen talking to him in that shirt the police found in her apartment.
She was ALL about that money when he died too so clearly it was all about the money & being with another guy for her.
He was given 10+5 for rape and murder and he’ll probably only serve part of it,why? they had him cold,DNA last person with her,I’m so sickened,a habitual criminal with very little job history, just watch,he will kill someone else,her little girl has no mother.
Mr.Body,I’ve turned your info over to the local police and the Iowa cold case folks. I’m hoping your tracked down aand prosecuted, you will be caught, your actions are psychopathic and will be looked @. You are traceable, have a great day, and if I were you, better lawyer up, your going to need one. We don’t say this BULLSHIT here in the great state of Texas, ol and the FBI is informed as well
This whole situation sounds sooo shady!
It sounds like a cover up.
This poor girl was kidnapped & possibly raped.
Then they murdered her by beating her to death, then claimed she “died” in a random car accident…that never happened.
THEN her parents who were trying to get justice for their daughter end up “mysteriously” dead in a fire, however no one can explain how the fire got started.
Praying this gets solved.
He was just trying to work for his family & provide & his life is cut short for what?!
What did they even get?!
God will judge them.
He didn’t do anything to anyone & still someone must have thought there was money in that apartment to be breaking in left & right.
I pray that the murderer is caught & if he isn’t punished in this life time he will be in the next!
It doesn’t seem that there’s a lot of info on this case.
It breaks my heart when it doesn’t list family.
My heart goes out to this man.
I feel like he was lone in the world.
I wonder if he was an orphan.
Praying they solve this one!
Praying they catch the person or persons who did this!
I think the person or people who did this prepared for it since they got a rug & other items to try to conceal the body.
Was the baby a boy or a girl?
They can get a sample & use DNA to find out what happened.
This poor little baby deserves justice & to just leave a baby is SICK.
I think it was someone from the VA!
Someone who knew his nephew.
He talked to people about how much money he had & they tracked him down & killed him.
So sad!
Praying for justice!
That begs the question of where did the phone call come from. Did Amos have a phone, and the offender wanted Amos to be found. However, we hear nothing was missing, and then the DCI suggests that robbery might have been a motive.
this is fredricks sister ashley we are all worried sick about him and would like help to find him people lets all work together to find out stuff and if anyone knows anything please come forward with imfortmation i would like to know what happend and we need closer we arent asking for much
Reading questions about how the father of Patricia Scott could have even been aware of Donna Sue while he was in town for only a week. My grandparents lived a couple of blocks from where this all happened and my dad and all of his siblings grew up in the neighborhood. Very strong Catholic community at St. Bonifice. Wouldn’t doubt that he could have attended church with the family while in town, possibly to find a small child, and saw her there. It would not have taken much to locate the family and scope out the house.
How was her kidknapping so perfectly timed then? Someone had to know when she was put in her bed from the other side of the house. The opposite side the man who took Donna Sue came from…
I have since looked at a bigger computer and my tablet has better views then the desk top. I hope they don’t brush this off because their not seeing it!
After watching some of the adventures with a purpose, one show talked about a google maps find in Florida of a car in the water. Since I’ve heard of this story years ago sticking in my head I researched for any updates on Dale being found. Not not able to sleep I played around on google maps and looked up and down the river banks. I’ve boated that river for years and know some basics of the river flows. I spotted a red color. Spot on the screen up river from the Iowa side boat ramp but down street from the big Sioux inlet. I called in to the phone number listed and gave them the latitude and longitude numbers. The lady and I talked over the location but the views are tough to see and I don’t know if she was seeing what I saw. I took a photo of the better shot that I saw , but she didn’t seem to want to see it or have me send it to her, but I hope I’m wrong. I will share it with other authorities when I’m back home from the holidays and try a look on a better computer then my tablet!
First i want to send my condolences to Micalla and her family along with Adam. Have they found out where the bullet came from exactly? I know it’s says more then likely someone shooting or hunting but this case kind of remains me of a case i saw the other day on unsolved mysteries about a woman who was shot but survived on a rural road in Connecticut in the late 1980s i know chances are slim but is it possible it could’ve been the same man? https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Brayman_Road_Attacker
Basing information off of previous comments, a sibling of one of the people mentioned has a history of lascivious acts on children. Using old newspaper articles, I found at least 5 charges brought against him. Obviously just inferring here, but that behavior was learned somewhere.
If the murders were related to their sexual relationship, Pietism would have been examined and the hardcore Pietists would have been questioned and investigated. This could explain the beating about the head and face for their thought processes not fitting the self-righteous killer.
How did they discover who killed Kaiden? Did Ms. Michael turn herself in or did they use cell phone records to find out who was using their phone at that time and place?
Even though this is a 59 year old case, consider that a 65 year old case was solved in 2021 through DNA technique. In 1956, Kenneth Gould murdered and raped Patricia Kalitzke. Gould, who was never considered during the murder investigation, died in 2007, and was cremated. However, his children volunteered DNA, and using a single sperm cell and genetic genealogy, the connection was made to Gould.
In the case of Ramona Jean Cox, the following forensic evidence was gathered: 1) multiple hairs left by the murderer at the crime scene; 2) a t-shirt left by the murderer at the crime scene; 3) skin matter taken from under Ramona’s fingernails; 4) whatever biological material was gathered by rape examination. And, even if the DMPD lost the evidence inadvertently, the FBI may still have the hair and analysis work that they did.
I had to stop at Iowa Methodist Medical Center today, and after leaving, I drove over and parked in the east side parking of the Hoyt Sherman place. I walked from 680 15th Street down to the location where the 15th Street sidewalk met the Woodland sidewalk, back in 1962. From that location, I stepped off across Woodland, on a diagonal to where I was immediately in front of the location where 1526 Woodland stood back in 1962. Fifty steps, and figuring each step was an average of 3 feet, calculates to 150 feet. It was a shorter distance than I had remembered. I walked between 1530 Woodland, which still exists, and the west end of the apartment building next to it on the east. This is the pathway the murderer of Ramona Cox took that night back on April 29, 1962. The concrete walkway is no longer there, but a stone wall separates the properties. The landscaping behind is totally different. I walked east in what had been the alley to 15th Street, and over to the corner of 14th Street Place, where the grocery store had been in 1962. The whole route was dramatically shorter than what existed in my memory.
It doesn’t have a dedicated area for target shooting, but it’s of note that the girls were discovered on the first day of deer hunting season. Seven Bridges is basically just a road that loops around the forrest nexts to a river. It’s not really a destination or a place anyone knows about except for locals.
This story was an episode on The Swords and Scales Podcast. The story has always haunted my heart and head. Child Sex Trafficking is REAL and PROTECTED by the detail oriented system that runs this WORLD WIDE OPERATION. Usually involving and operated by people with power, money and fetishes. While being protected by fellow members in all areas applying to life. Ex: Police officers, Teachers, Lawyers, Government Employees, Child Protection Services, Hospitals, Doctors , Nurses, Dentist, Daycares, Nurse Practitioners, Non Profit Groups, Coaches, Truck Drivers, Domestic Violence Protection Shelters, Actors, Singers, Pilots, Captains, Army, Politicians and many other positions that are automatically respected and trusted by us Americans because that’s what we where raised to believe and never doubt. In this episode Eugenes mother repeatedly states that the detective and police officer’s didn’t make her feel heard, respected, taken seriously and was being questioned more then being answered. So much that she hired a Private Investigator. She continued her own hunt for answers even when she was continually shut down or even mocked by her possible theories, fears and overall mother’s intuition. She also states that after months/years of the investigation she had her own doubts and suspicions about Eugene’s father involvement and how the entire investigation was handled and cared for. The end of the podcast we learn that all of his mothers efforts finally paid off in a way she could never imagine. It was Eugene either going to see her or contacted her explaining that she had to stop looking for him. That he was involved in this huge operation that he has a certain role with power and that his mothers fight for him was endangering his life with his new “family” members. So much that he told her to please stop so that he would remain safe in his now normal everyday life. So she did what any mother would do to protect her son- she LISTENED and LET HIM GO. I encourage everyone to listen and hear the pain in this moms voice telling her story. Where do you think these boys that pretend to love girls and promise to give them a better life come from? They are kidnapped- trained and purposely chosen for what ever role they will become and then eventually train others to do. It’s very interesting to me that all missing children in Iowa are mainly Caucasians. In Illinois where I was raised it’s mainly African American girls and some boys. In California where I was born it’s mainly Hispanic women or young star eyed teens who believe that they can be made into a movie star model or living in poverty and promised a better life. I can stand rooted and calm saying all this because I believe in my heart this is our worlds BIGGEST problem. Coming from a woman who’s then 3 year-son was sexually abused and coached by his then 12 year old half brother to perform sex acts that I fortunately walked in on while he was having parenting time at his fathers. Also found strange Craigslist ads posted by my sons father that were in code that a lawyer once told me I needed to dig deep into the meaning and it’s hidden codes. Forensic exams, rape kits, intense therapy, orders of protection, court orders, DCFS involvement, a verbal statement made by my son to counselors, doctors, Dcfs, nurses and the detective who was assigned our case. Nobody listened except our therapist, who wanted to do anything she could to have this boy heard and protected- but had to be so careful as to how to have him heard, while having to jump hoops and hurdles to have the system work for him not against him. It’s not enough for a mother to witness it, report it, and then have her son explain in detail in a forensic exam to be told there was NOT ENOUGH evidence. That me constantly coming in 36+ times to report new information, disclosures, and overall fear of her sons safety was focused on more then the alarming fact that a 12 year old boy was sexually abusing and coaching a 3year old boy- While his father was home and present. In the suburbs of Chicago.I keep journals. I write down everything he wants to tell me- 2 years later geared around safety, structure and rebuilding has brought him to new level of realization and a higher state of concern that if what all my son says is true I’m so grateful I was able to listen, believe and react in a way that has given us a fresh, safe healthy start. However has me fearing for his future because this is an organized, detailed, system of checks and balances. If we don’t stand up, raise our voices, talk about what is uncomfortably true and real, and protect ALL CHILDREN’S LIVES! EVERY CHILD’S LIFE is a target for the dark side we live amongst. Hopefully my truth will open doors for others truth. Or the more information we can collect we can unite and fight.
Steve peacock ran me over with a motorcycle when i was 4 years old. He broke both bones in my left leg. He was never charged or held accountable. He said i jumped in fr9nt of the motorcycle. When there is a 4 yr old on a path playing with dolls, you dont speed up! You stop! He Sped up! Somehow im not not dead.
I think it’s worth noting that a member of the family said something to the effect of, “I’m not sure whether Steven and David would be capable of something like that.” The mother explained she suspects four people who were not present at the bar that night. I think of blind spots and how a kind, gentle tone and the right language can be more convincing than a statistical likelihood of guilt. It’s a a subtle, tactical appeal to emotion, and these are the individuals people need to watch out for. If he got away with running a four-year-old over, then I can imagine what else he’s gotten away with and how. My opinion related to what TB said specifically.
My father Dennis Ross Harmon was the killer of the Delphi girls give me a call at 502-965-3372 Dennis Ross Harmon was his name and my younger son Dylan
My best theory:
The man in the living room at 7:30-7:45 pm, dressed like the murderer who fled at 11:00 pm, is the murderer.
The man is an acquaintance of Cox, or she wouldn’t have let him in.
He drops by, and promises not to stay long, since it was Sunday night, and the work week would soon begin. She lets him in and they chat briefly.
He may have gotten aroused.
He notices the open bedroom window, and plans a return to rape.
He leaves the apartment before 8:00 pm.
This accounts for Mrs. Grismore not hearing anyone with Cox, when she went to bed at 8:30 pm.
This accounts for Cox getting into her pajamas, and curling her hair, since the visitor had left.
This accounts for Cox not mentioning the man in her telephone talks with Norma Jean Higgins, at 7 pm and 8 pm, since the conversations focused on the dress she was making, and the man was only there briefly.
He returns about 10:45 pm, in the same clothes he wore earlier.
He parks his car parallel with or behind any car at 1526, as it is likely there was no parking space available.
He does not park in the alley, as attention would be drawn to the vehicle, and it could result in an interruption if he was blockading anyone.
He enters through the open bedroom window.
He discovers the linoleum knife which Cox had brought into the apartment to use, and left in the bedroom.
He decides he has to kill her since she could identify him.
The mayhem begins, and he escapes to the back alley, and drives his car away.
Because his car was parked close enables a quick getaway.
This explains why the bloodhounds only track to the alley.
As my high school friend and I were talking with the clerk in the neighborhood grocery store, I seem to remember the clerk looking out the window behind him, on the east side of the building, and indicating he saw a shirtless man running by, north on 14th Street Place. We could see nothing from the customer side of the counter. The newspaper account on 04/30, indicates the police used bloodhounds for tracking, early Monday morning. Although nothing was reported by the newspaper regarding the results, since the escape route would be only hours old, it would be interesting to know what those bloodhounds detected.
The above article states he was survived by one daughter? He has 3. No evidence to prosecute? Fragments of my father’s skull were found in James Burroughs boot!!! They had plenty of other proof to use to prosecute. I think there is a lot more to his murder.
According to the 05/04/62 Tribune, p. 9, Ramona had moved into 1526 Woodland in February. Thus, she had only lived there for 2 months by the time of the crime. It is likely she had moved from 930 Bancroft on the “near” south side, where the Aug 1961 Des Moines phone book lists her. Unless there had been an in between move. Not likely.
All times are approximate as reported in the newspaper:
10:45 pm a woman’s scream is heard from 1526 Woodland;
11:00 pm a man jumps from the bedroom window at 1526 Woodland;
11:15 pm the police find Ramona Cox dead in her living room at 1526 Woodland.
At about 10:55 pm my high school friend and I walk from his apartment at 680 15th to the corner of 15th and Woodland and turn east heading for the grocery store at 14th Street Place and Woodland. We couldn’t have known that across the street and three doors to the west, a murder-rape was taking place. We saw no one out that night except us. By the time we walk east and reach the point where we can see south on 15th Street, we see two guys in a car coming north towards us. They turn onto Woodland heading west and were in a hurry. I’m sure this was Charles R. and his friend who drove him back to 1530 Woodland, after looking for police. Charles enters 1530, and he and Sharen C. and Jackie P. come outside. The women are sitting in his car and Charles is standing next to it when a man jumps out the bedroom window at 1526, and flees south into the back alley and heads east to 15th Street, where he stops running to tuck his shirt in, under a street light, before resuming his escape. My friend and I are in the grocery store buying cigarettes and candy while this is taking place. At about 11:10 pm we see a police car speeding by east to west on Woodland with his light flashing, no siren. At this point we leave the store and walk back to the NW corner of 15th and Woodland. It wasn’t long before there were four squad cars. One of the officers walked over to us and asked what we were doing out at that time of night and we said we had gone to the grocery store. Then he asked us if we had seen any one out and about in the neighborhood, and we told him no. We asked what was going on, and he told us he couldn’t tell us. It was obvious the police were checking out the gray house at 1526 Woodland. We didn’t find out what was going on until the next morning when we saw the DM Register headline: “Woman, 25, Slain in Home”.
Apparently, Jackie P. passed away in 2003, and Charles R. in 2018. Two of the three witnesses that saw the murderer jump from the bedroom window at 1526 Woodland, at approximately 11:00 pm on 04/29/1962.
With a limited amount of information, the only person I saw on the Doe Network that could POSSIBLY be the un-id male is Daniel Jess Goldman. He is from Florida, however, but from the research I did the Mississippi goes through Florida and flows into the Missouri river. Obviously I’m not saying this is the for sure identification, just a POSSIBLE identity. It’s hard to know though with only having his skin tone.
… and to think all this time I was under impression the Mississippi River flows North-to-South (like all but around 20 in the US) from MN and drains into the Gulf of Mexico, never coming anywhere near FL, and it’s the Missouri River that drains into the Mississippi River…
“Schuster said she’d learned Jane Doe wasn’t a match after she’d called NamUs. She said she also called the Waterloo Police Department, who told her they had a police report from September 6, 1983 that her sister had filed,” If Viola filed a police report in Waterloo on Sept 6, wouldn’t that mean she made it back to Iowa?
Anon, Brian Nissen’s case was removed from both the IDPS’s Missing Person Information Clearinghouse site, and his case also removed from NamUs, which means for whatever reason, they no longer consider him missing. I cull through our Missing page frequently, and when I see they’ve been removed from the other two sites (some don’t even make it to NamUs), then I remove them from ICC’s “Missing” page. A lot of our missing people don’t have personal case summary pages because there’s so little info about them online. The MPIC staff with the state are adding and deleting names from their database every day.
I wonder if it had something to do with local politics too since he was running.
Maybe someone really thought he was a threat?
This is so sad!
Praying this gets solved so the family can finally have peace
I think they need to exhume the body & get better DNA from the bone marrow.
Also, could they test the fetus as well?
The leading cause of death for pregnant women is murder & many times it’s the baby’s father who doesn’t want the baby.
It’s tragic & sick.
Praying that they find the killer!
From what I have been able to gather from personal research i have done in this case, no one is sure where she was buried, just that it was an unmarked grave somewhere in Clinton County. So sad to me that she has been basically misplaced and likely will never be identified.
This case has fascinated me for years and I continue to come back to it over the years.
Totally agree, I’ve tried to do more research to see if I could possibly locate where she was buried but there are so many cemeteries in Clinton County, it’ll take a miracle to even find the cemetery, let alone her unmarked plot.
I wonder if the coroner report of her death would show where show where she was buried. I assume they had some sort of protocol for these situations.
I would try and contact them, and see what information they have. They may not release some information, but they should be able to share what the process was back when she was found.
I know the the unidentified or unclaimed remains from the Cook County Medical Examiners office, are buried in certain cemeteries, in the Chicagoland area.
Recently the Cook County Sheriff’s Police identified an individual, who identified as a man, and had used the name Seven, as a female Army veteran. The self identification as a male, may have been caused by some mental health issues. This is an assumption on my part.
They spent time trying to fill in the blanks of her life. They found she married another member of the U. S. Army, but found no record of a divorce. They were unable to fill in all the blanks.
How are government in Fort dodge iowa, can’t solve cases, locking up innocent, it’s a prejudice movement against the dead population!! They to busy taking money, not improving the community…!!! Living in mansion, pushing their authority in the wrong way in Iowa….
His address was either 2553 or 2453 Maury St. in Des Moines at the time. I’ve seen it listed both ways in clippings, but I know the Maury St. part is correct.
Angela Marie Altman, was this the lady that lived across the old faraway store, in a white house, her boyfriend/ husband told her he would be right back, she responded yes..!!
Mrs, Altman was alive when her boyfriend/ husband was walking toward the flats. I always wondered what happened to this case.?? He’s fully innocent…!!! I hope they find the real young boy that caused this tragic, a teenager.. ” under age individual “
I knew her a little bit when i was 7 and 8 (1976 and 1977).
she was very nice and good to me and I would never believe she was a prostitute.
If there was foul play involved then what does that mean with the other two friends named above “Jerri Lee Connelly” and “Patrice Waddell” as far as being related as that is pretty strange.
they all new each other and within 4 months they all are dead.
Praying for justice!
Hoping they can still use the DNA & get a conviction!
Also, it would be very helpful to know who those two men where who left the restaurant around the time she was murdered
What would it take to open up this cold case. They need to go back and look at everything. Use the new equipment. I wish they would look into this. They have forgotten Lynn she needs justice. Very sad. And Kieth is over here enjoying life.
Can we contact records and get the police report . I would like to get the police report in it.
Missing Report taken Harry and VEHICLE should ENTER VEHICLE VIN into National Crime Information Center Data Bank. Someone ATTEMPTS Reregister “BINGO per say
Even on Reopened Case Should be DONE again. At Least make SURE proper VIN was Entered 1sr TIME. Good Question
Yes. Some of Noreen’s statements seem very far fetched. However the situation and the mental anguish and evil tricks played on her have pushed her over the edge. By no fault of her own. I have great sympathy for her. I can’t imagine the hell she has been througj.
I don’t think there’s any evidence that Noreen has been mentally unwell. Farfetched does not equal false, and what Noreen has said about Johnny’s case, as outlandish as it might seem to some people, is logically consistent and does check out. She has frequently explained the multitude of evidence backing up Paul Bonacci’s involvement in her son’s abduction, such as his knowledge of Johnny being photographed prior to the kidnapping, his awareness of a suspicious van being in the neighborhood that morning (which, funnily enough, Faded Out podcast witness Chris Birge inadvertently confirmed while trying to deny it; https://www.reddit.com/r/JohnnyGosch/comments/e948gx/chris_birge_and_the_sighting_of_a_van/ explains this more), and his identification of Sam Soda as a perpetrator when Sam had been suspected by the Gosches for years prior. More information about how much Noreen and Paul Bonacci’s versions of events actually check out can be found here: http://cavdef.org/w/index.php?title=Johnny_Gosch_abduction
That’s a question for the West Des Moines police to answer. With the volume of evidence backing up Paul Bonacci’s story, it’s inexcusable that they didn’t even interview him, instead deferring to perjury charges against him that the state of Nebraska *dropped*, and later relying on the recollection of unidentified family members a whole 10 years after the kidnapping to claim he couldn’t have been out-of-state when it happened. The WDM police hopped from excuse to excuse not to speak to Bonacci, as if they could afford to be picky in a case that had been cold for a decade.
Were Bonacci’s story to finally be taken seriously by LE, though, it is unlikely he would be held as culpable, given his account that he was forced into assisting the kidnapping: both physically at gunpoint and mentally by being a victim of the Franklin ring nearly since birth.
Yeah. What are they doing to solve this?. DNA?. No mention of the sex or race of this baby. Not much to go on to get the peopke responsible. I’ll never understand going through all of the pregnancy to kill it and dump it. Stupid. They will pay.
Melanie, there was very little information available when I added this case to the site years ago, but it has been confirmed by the Story County Sheriff’s Office and the State Medical Examiner’s Office that the baby was a white male with red/auburn hair. Height and eye color could not be determined.
NamUs added the case to its database in March 2024, though it’s not mentioned whether they have DNA on file. The infant’s body was in an advanced state of decomposition when found.
Big man likes to kill animals. Evil SOB! guilty. Murderer. Takes a big man to shoot someone and animals that will kill you because you have a gun
You’ll get yours on earth or after big man.
I think it was someone she knew. The dog is to be of note. I believe the “This” written was a statement that they were killed because of what they were doing. “This” is why they are dead. I just don’t think it was random. The overkill. Personal. The violence and murder weapon used. Very brutal. Like someone was very angry. It doesn’t appear robbery was a motive. No one chooses an axe or the like for a weapon for a robbery. No forced entry. No one heard anything which I do find strange.
I was Rose’s best friend. It could have been someone mad at her, but Roger is the one that was married. So, that in itself meant people , if they knew or found out would have been very angry. His wife’s family was a very strange, some evil bunch. I really think it was either done by the wife’s close family members. Or they paid someone to help. I hope that the DNA that was found can be used to do genealogy. That would bring us to the killer even if they are already deceased. I just need to know who, that will tell why. It has been going on 41 years, we just need the answers!
Evidence now. No. I am sure she smothered them. No marks. Looks like SIDS. MSBP wasn’t diagnosed then. Yes there was a mother finally caught after many babies died. They were all considered a genetic problem. But she killed the last one. Adopted. I can’t remember her name.
Sue, I checked Floyd Cramer and came across a Find-A- Grave entry for him. It basically has the date he died 12/9/1960. It appears the Des Moines Police made no effort on his supposed murder.
I use that term, since there is no mention that an autopsy was conducted to determine a cause of death for him.
This doesn’t fit the Gosch or Martin disappearances. First they were paperboys.Different circumstances. And I don’t believe Marc was the same person. And second they were never found. This guy apparently had no fear of that.
Heads up. Don’t trust the mods especially Trish on Webslueths. She spends donations on herself. From former members it is referred to as “Jonestown”. Trish goes to the Casino. She also splits the money with her mod pals.
Bundy. No. Bundy was never said or known to be in Iowa. Even at Bundy’s own admissions they would be looking at 3 digit victims in 6 States. Iowa was not one. Oregon, Washington, Utah, Colorado, Vermont and Florida. And none of the “Waverly” would have been on his escape to Florida. I’m really not sure the 3 are connected. Spaced that far A part?. Especially Valerie. I can see the last 2. But once serial killers get started they don’t have a 4 yr lapse. And usually killers kill in the same age range. Valerie was a child. I think it was someone she knew. But who?. Alot of people have motorcycles in cold weather states. The person was smart luring her away from the pool. No witnesses. Around alot of people that would notice anything strange. Perpetrator still alive?. It’s possible. But I think they are not. I also think this person went to prison for something. Just a feeling. So sad. I just turned 1 when she was murdered.
There really is no information out there on this man. I certainly don’t think it was random. But no mention of any other suspect than the man they couldn’t tie to it. Where do You go from nowhere. To serve in WWII and then come back to be murdered how terrible. This is purely speculation. But for some reason I get the strong feeling it was,an argument over owing money. Friend or acquaintance. I also get the strong feeling this man was a hermit people wouldn’t really notice was gone.
So many suspects. I feel she will never get earthly justice. But whoever it was the person is evil beyond words. I find troubling the dog nor parents heard anything. As far as the dog that would lead me to believe it was someone the dog knew. I don’t believe the father had anything to do with it whatsoever. And it was stated he was finally cleared by DNA. That poor man. That made me cry. What this family had to go through. The way the public acted towards them. Shameful. I have seen that house now. Windows painted over. Creepy. It should be burned then leveled.
I think the man who got her pregnant murdered her. She told him and he killed her. Whether it was right when she told him or later meeting for an arrangement. People saying she was going somewhere else for an abortion. No. It wasn’t legal anywhere at the time. Alot of people missing or found murdered their cars are often found at airports. To make it appear they went somewhere from the perpetrator. When logs are checked for tickets for their names they never find they actually bought one.
I find it very suspicious the ex boyfriend didn’t seem to be suspect. If not him I suspect the guy they found not guilty. But why?. He had the background of violence. And they let him out on day reease and at a hotel. Idiots.
Found in the back seat. Not intoxicated. In her driveway. I suspect someone followed her home and blitz attacked her and she was dragged in the back seat to be assaulted. Then killed eventhough no evidence was found to support that it majes sense. And the car set on fire to cover up the crime. It was successful.
Start with Richard Davis for one I believe I was standing in drive way that day and Richard Davis and two others did something with harry on his property the dorve the car to the shed across the road
Cecil was my best friend when I was in facility in Leon and I’m so pissed off that these people have gotten away with murdering him. All these years. I’ve never even been able to visit his grave idk where it’s at and I’ve moved all over the place. Please contact me annarebeccablack.1986@gmail.com especially if you’re his sister if you want to talk I’m here
If there’s nothing to “hide”, why not have the police report opened up and name his “friends” that they interviewed. There are people that knows exactly what happened.
To the person that is assuming that she went to the concert alone, she was at the concert with my female cousin. I vaguely recall speaking to both of them while at the concert.
I first hand seen how crystal behaved while at the hospital. How she claimed to not know CPR. It would have been different too say you didn’t do it because you was scared BUT that’s not what she said. Crystal also told my best friend it was ok if we lost dj because “we would have another little dj running around” who says that while your baby’s father is dying???? Crystal may have not killed him but she sure as h*ll didn’t save him. She knows a.lot more then she claims. Best believe I see karma playing out every time I see crystal.
The car was not place in an impound it was placed in a garage where the murderers family member was able to taint the evidence their wass a boot print on the passenger door wonder if they got pics….and a gentlman reported seeing someone getting chaswd nd beat up
Well 27 year’s ago still unsolved , sickening to me he is still free Scott Macy needs reinvestigated how bout another lie detector , DNA in her nails and hair and DNA all around her body did you test and study all that and the garbage bag found with her hair and salvia in it also finger tear Mark’s on it also , come on forensic technology solve my mother’s murder 🙏
Forensics will solve this. The case needs to keep being warmed up and followed and revisited every single year until that murderer is brought to justice . Prayers ❤️
This discussion makes me sick to my stomach. I knew Pennye, and I believe she was murdered, not because she was black, but because she may have trusted the wrong guy. she spent her whole high school years being shy, and kept from everything. I remember she said she lived with her Grandma, and wasn’t allowed to wear make up, she would come to school each morning and put lipstick on first thing. I think she was finally enjoying some freedom, and someone took her life, I was at that school, none of ever knew or heard what actually happened to her, and if I did I would most definitely have told someone. I will remember this gal for the few memories I have of her, and not focus on how her life ended. I will always pray she is at peace, and I know someday someone will come forward, until then, I wont listen to anyone try and make her life a rumor of race.
I was reviewing the cold case murder of Betty Ann Moore (12) of Robbins, Illinois, in my neck of the woods, on June 4, 1986. She was a young black girl, whose mother a nurse’s aid, was in the hospital.
So,she normally stayed at her foster grandfather’s house. She supposedly did not want to go to school, because of her mother. Also, her father had died a few months before. She did not interact with the other kids in the neighborhood.
She also wrote a short story for an English class in school. The story was titled “The Case of the Missing Body and Murder”. It was about a fictional rich woman, who everyone wanted dead. The fictional woman was named Betty Ann Moore.
Betty Ann Moore was found naked and severely beaten close to the Cal-Sag Channel, not far from where she lived. Her foster grandfather assumed she got up and went to school. She was not home when they got up. She was reported missing when she did not return from school. In fact she never made it to school. This somehow sounds similar to Pennye’s case
I’ve been holding this back because this sounds crazy and I don’t know if this will be taken badly but Pennys spirit had contacted me in a dream after playing with the ouji board one night. She was setup by someone she trusted because they felt they had to quiet her when she saw something she shouldn’t have. They ambushed her in a black SUV. It was 2-3 that were predominantly male if not all male. One of her friends from childhood may have been related to the situation penny wasn’t supposed to know about but that childhood friend wasn’t there when she was killed and may have not even known that is what happened. Her body was dumped early in the morning when there was still dew in the grass.I’m so sorry if this brings any bad feelings. This dream happened in 2015 when I was 16 years old. It may have been a situation related to violence but I’m not sure that it was necessarily gang violence. It did not seem to have any racial motive though. Penny had sent me warnings that has saved me a few times in my life since then. Take this how you will but she is helping the living from the other side and seems to be a very loving, caring spirit
I remember when the fire that killed the Eberly children happened. I was 10 years old and went to school at New Market Comm. School. My little sister was in kindergarten and the oldest Eberly child, Larry, was in her grade. It was such a tragic fire and affected the whole community. So very awful and sad…
Kaylin, I just received an email from someone reminding me I hadn’t included on Linda’s page the fact that Lee Rotatori’s murder had been solved. I did get that added.
Additionally, on Linda’s findagrave site, an individual had posted a short clip of Linda’s obit from the Omaha Star. I have incorporated that information into Linda’s case summary, with a link to the Findagrave page.
Many thanks to “Andy” for the reminder to let readers know Ms. Rotatori’s case has been solved.
The Trail Went Cold just did in episode in March on this case. I guess her daughter has been very active on Reddit and with reaching out to podcasts to garner attention for her mom’s case.
I just wanted to say for some reason I was not mentioned. I am his oldest Denise. I truely pray they find who did this . To my sister and brothers.. I love you guys
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This person is said to be Buried in a field that has lime in it….Southeast of Lakeside the junkyard… everybody in town knows the story including the police
wonder if a single Bucket of dirt has ever been lifted or what excuse they would have to why not…..
Look at the time frame, there is no way he could be buried there unless someone kept the body in their home for months. The ground wouldve been frozen solid. Digging any kind of hole without large very noticable equipment would have been impossible and I highly doubt that anyone would damage heavy machinery to that. This is the first anyone has even proposed this idea that I know of. Seeing that I’m his son pretty sure that story would have atleast crossed my path at some point. I’d really like to know what happenend that night though. Lots of questions as to why he would vanish, leaving me to suffer the childhood I went through. His own family has barely spoke a word to me. Idk kind of messed up if you ask me. Ive only been able to piece together bits and pieces over the years and I have an idea of what happenend but without being able to talk to folks who knew him personally I’ve hit a dead end.
It’s all hypothetical, but I think he was tied into the drug smuggling that was going on in the Ohio fish market. He probably stuck his nose where it didnt belong or did some one dirty. The stories I’ve heard all have 1 thing in common and its that drug ring at the fish market. Story goes he was helping smuggle the drugs out, the night he disappeared he was supposedly going with his best friend. I was never tolf the friends name just that this friend committed suicide shortly after. From what Ive been able to gather this is the most likely scenario. His body was either crushed in a car or dumped in the river. Everyone that knows the truth of the matter is either dead or will never talk due to their standing in society. Its a lost cause honestly. He shouldve been pronounced deceased years ago.
Unfortunately by the time I actually met his mother she was too ill and unable. Spoke to his sister once, but not much was said about him a few photos and some background info. Most of what I have gathered has been hearsay.
My dad was best friends with your grandfather, your dad‘s dad. I was at my parents home & remember when he disappeared. The story I heard was that he had gotten home late received a phone call and then went back outside and was never seen again. So someone called him to meet outside and it must’ve been a set up. His truck wallet and ID grow up behind. They knew right away that he left in voluntarily. My dad is gone now, but I remember him telling me about a family that was probably behind it.. Unfortunately, I don’t remember the last name, but they had notorious reputation. I also remember there was a grand jury. A rumor came out of that that said he was in a car that was buried somewhere, and that the car was found and unburied, but he wasn’t in it. That’s how I remember and it was so long ago.. I am so sorry that you lost your dad & at such an age..
OK, I was one of the cops that worked this case with the IBI. Here’s what we were able to uncover, which granted is not much. Johnny came home from work, took a shower, changed clothes. Prior to that he put his dog in the back yard. When he had finished with all that he asked his brother to bring his dog in and told his mother he was going out with some friends. I don’t think he was planning on being gone long since he left his wallet. He got in the car with someone that no one saw and wasn’t seen again.
We talked to people from the Fish Market and no one at the time stood out to us. I left the department there the next month, in Jan. During that month working it there were so many rumors pertaining to that family you speak of who has the junk yard. It would not surprise me if they were involved.
I also talked to a couple of the officers after I left that dept and moved out of state and was told there was a house in town where the yard had been dug up and even though they found plenty of junk, no bodies. I’m not positive this happened, but what I was told.
I have to tell you this case has stayed on my mind after all these years and I post it any time I can. It will haunt me till the day I die. I would love this to be solved so I haven’t given up. Good luck to you hon, I can’t imagine how you feel.
So true about that family you speak of in Carter lake. I became friends with his brother about a year after this happened. He said everybody pretty much knows who is responsible but nobody will ever ever talk. The fear of them is real. I lived in Carter lake for years and they are no joke. Definitely not people to be played with very scary. Even making this comment makes me nervous. But I feel sort of obligated to let you know there’s nothing more you could have done. My uncle was a detective with the Denver Police department and I know how this would have made him feel. Sometimes there really is nothing more you can do.
Idk… I don’t think I Could live in the same town as my family’s murderers without doing something myself… That’s just my opinion nothing against you guys Being scared of everything
Most likely his friend had something to do with it if he committed suicide men don’t kill herself unless something is eating at them they cannot change or fix.
Look into James Brian Chadwell the II from Lafayette area. He loved the woods and bridges, fishing and was a semi driver. He is now suspect for Delphi murders.
Mike, he sounds like a good candidate. However, investigators would have to be able to place him the area. Also, would he have knowledge of the area. Everyone thinks all they need is DNA. But, it is one piece of the pie
A friend gave me this. They sent it to the cops: No response.
This is regarding the disappearance of Lyric and Elizabeth, the victims of a double homicide in Evansdale, Iowa. I know you have a wealth of information regarding the case, so I will not be redundant. I know you have interviewed “all the usual suspects,” including those named in the Dephi murders, etc. You may have interviewed the gentleman I am addressing here. However, I hope you will revisit your information about him, even though he is deceased, because a lot of evidence points to him.
Many of my friends and I often engage in conversations about local crimes, cold cases, and unsolved murders. One of my friends is from Evansdale and knew the two missing girls. She spoke of them often. She has a large family in that area and they spend a lot of time in bars, fraternal organization, and so forth. As in all small towns, everyone knows everyone and the girls and their families, and the murders were the topic of conversations for some time in all the places she hung out. They do mingle in the same places as the girl’s families and are personally acquainted with some of the family members, as well as with law enforcement officers. My friend’s ex husband has a number of employees, he once had a public works position in XXXXXXXX and most of her family now works at XXXXXXXX.
They all remain in the Evansdale/Independence area. Through the years she has often suggested we take a tour of Evansdale so she could show me Meyer’s Lake, Angel’s Park, and where the girls lived and so forth.
Some of this is simple speculation, but I hope you understand why I am drawing some inferences that I draw. We always talk about local creeps and crimes and she began the “tour” by pointing out a house where an awful person lived, not the suspect, but inferences could be drawn by some psychologists, sociologists, and criminologists if they are related because they have the same name. Many years ago the man that lived there kidnapped and killed a small child. The whole town was looking for her, yet she was already deceased in his attic. He told the creepy stories about how she “liked sitting on his lap” and that she “wanted him.” “She was really cute,” he told the reporter. “I loved her probably as much as her parents did.”
The 1974 Courier article goes on to say that R. Fitz, the creepy perp, had actually joked with the child’s father about abducting the girl. “She’s so cute; I’d like to kidnap her,” the article quotes R. Fitz as saying. He was 27, she was 2.
As XXXXX is telling me this story, she burst into tears. This perpetrator just died in prison and she and her family were discussing his obituary. He was 71, so he had been in prison for approximately 44 years. My friend said that her grown daughter came over and burst into tears and shared that R. Fitz had tried to molest her when she was a child. My friend’s family lived near the Fitz’s and several times he had tried to get her children to come over or go for rides, etc. Her daughter is still very naïve and even now doesn’t grasp the ramifications of some of these acts. Her daughter said R. Fitz attempted to get her to “kiss his …..,” but more alarming, his wife was there and she laughed and said, “Russell, put that thing away” and made some comment that he needed to quit doing that stuff.
Here is where you may feel I am off track or speculating. I have been unable to find out if my suspect, Chad Fitz is related to Russell Fitz. But in my experience, families may share some behaviors, learned or otherwise. Here are just a couple of charges Chad Fitz has had in the past. If they are related, a lot of this occurs in the same families as a learned behavior. Both are deceased now, but Chad should be considered a suspect anyway. DNA could still be obtained from all involved as well as using genetic genealogy DNA.
Chad was convicted with:
LASCIVIOUS ACTS W/CHILD-INFLICT PAIN OR DISCOMFORT (FELD)
KIDNAPPING 1ST DEGREE – 1978 (FELA)
To the investigators: I am sure you must know these things, but you should talk to XXXXXX. She showed me where Chad Fitz’s mom or grandma lived, right by Meyer’s Lake. Within yards! That’s where he stayed or lived with his mom or grandmother and the girls rode their bikes right past his house on Gilbert Street and all around there. XXXXX told me about his car being crushed (I found he had a white PU at the time, maybe his, maybe the person’s he lived with, he/they may have others, but this was at least one of them.) So now he leaves that Evansdale house after the murders and moves in with grandma (or mom) AGAIN, now in Readlyn, near the reserve! A straight shot as it were, across the county. The woman he lived with was first in Evansdale, the moves out to Readlyn. The address there is very close to the wildlife area. In my opinion, if you follow criminal profiling, I don’t see he could possibility be eliminated!!! Look at those two charges! Here are bits of my conversations with XXXXX. Just have her take you on a tour and talk with her and her family and keep it confidential. Talk to the car crusher. They said the car/truck stunk when they got it. XXXXX and her relatives know all these people personally and no one ever asked them anything,
You sent December 7, 2020 to XXXXXXX.
Chad Fitz has a huge record yet no obit anywhere online… just a short death notice in Waterloo Courier. Died at U of I Hospital? Hardly anything about him. That would be the two house addresses. One is on Gilbert in Evansdale and one on a farm or house in Readlyn. This creep has an old kidnappings charge and a charge with LASCIVIOUS ACTS W/CHILD-INFLICT PAIN OR DISCOMFORT (FELD) and KIDNAPPING 1ST DEGREE – 1978 (FELA). Seems so logical that he could be involved. He loved the outdoors too and spent time right there at the reserve. He has lots of meth charges too. Don’t say anything to anyone except find out what he drove from those people, if it really stunk, why they didn’t call the PD, if they really crushed it, etc. Locals in a bar/club who knew the girls and their families talked about this and never did anything??????? WTH?
12/7/20, 5:39 PM
You sent December 7, 2020
Check this out. “Best address match” on Been Verified is 2568 Independence Ave Evansdale, IA 50707. Dates seen March 2005. Other is “Higher Confidence” 2848 270th St Readlyn, IA 50668
You sent December 7, 2020
OMG he lived 16 minutes or 6 miles from the Seven Bridges park SIX MINUTES!!! SIX MILES!
XXXXXXX sent December 7, 2020
Also at the time the girls disappeared he lived on Gilbert Drive
You sent December 7, 2020
I know, that is what I have been asking you. You said it was his mom’s or grandma’s house. I thought it was the house we drove by right by the lake. I thought you said that was Gilbert Drive in Evansdale. That is why I need that address and if his grandma or mom lived there. Didn’t you say Gilbert in Evansdale? That is the only missing link. That and what kind of vehicle he had, where it went and why.
You sent December 7, 2020
What is Rydell? How do you know he bought it there? Where did it end up where you said it smelled?
XXXXXXX sent December 7, 2020
Gilbert Drive in Evansdale and it was his mom he lived with. I don’t know what model his car was just that it was at the crushers but someone smelled a rotten odor but it was cleared by fbi
XXXXX sent December 7, 2020
He was cleared
XXXXXX sent December 7, 2020
Now he is dead
December 7, 2020
I know but I am not convinced. Maybe the FBI didn’t have enough information. I see Rydell is a dealer in Waterloo where he got the car. Easy to get VIN, get crusher’s records, date, etc. I am driving to Evansdale to get the house numbers in that block because I cannot figure out his mom’s name. I am sure it’s not Fitz. So do you know the name of the crusher and how did he Fitz die? Do you recall where you learned all of this? I also wonder, since he had so many meth/drug busts if that is related? There is too much here for the FBI to clear him. They could not have known all of this.
XXXXXX sent December 7, 2020
I don’t know her name I will be in Evansdale Wednesday
You sent December 7, 2020
Ok, do you think you can catch that house number? I may drive up and look at all that other stuff next week.
XXXX sent December 7, 2020
I see it was on the news and in the paper back when Fitz just died this spring. They can get his mom’s DNA, grandma’s DNA, and from other relatives. They have the girl’s DNA I am sure and if the did a good investigation they kept personal items of the girls. His DNA can be on them and their bodies. They can exhume all three of them. And just what ARE they doing with any DNA they have?
To this day it bothers me, I was the last busboy to leave that Monday night and was never questioned by anyone if I had seen anything out of the normal. I knew John and Paul was my boss and I found out about the shooting the next day when I went through the lunch line at high school.
Hi Larry! I’m Tina, Paul Rayer’s granddaughter. I can’t believe they didn’t ask you any questions. Wow! The whole thing has bothered me as well. So frustrating, and sad. Wish I could’ve had the time with him😢.
I can’t help but think that this girl and my aunt’s deaths are connected. My aunt shelia harrison age 20 was found dead face down on a road in 1968 in webster county the man she was with was a sales man from ames.
Hi Jodi,
My name is Sydney Novak and I am a student journalist working on an investigative project at Iowa State University. I would love to hear any insight you have about your aunts case. I think any insight you have would be really impactful for my project and I would appreciate it so much.
Jody, do you know if anyone ever looked at the possibility of Roger’s case being connected to the disappearances of John Gosch, Eugene Martin, and/or Marc Wilson?
Former pro boxer says he knew his longtime friend killed James Booher —
Robert Bleakley testifies at trial of Matthew Robbins in Cedar Rapids
By: Trish Mehaffey Apr. 22, 2021
…..Bleakley admitted he had lied to a grand jury hearing evidence in Booher’s slaying because Robbins had told him he’d be in “a lot of trouble” if he told what he knew. Bleakley said he and Robbins had been friends for more than 30 years. He didn’t want to testify at Robbins’ trial but he did because it has been “horrible” living with what he knew for seven years. Andrew Shaw also testified Robbins admitted to killing Booher while they both were housed in the Iowa County Jail in Marengo.
Shaw said he told Robbins he knew what had happened to Booher but that Robbins at first denied it.
Later, when they were watching a television news report on Booher, Robbins said, “Yeah, I did it, but you already know the truth.”
Shaw was convicted last year of running a large marijuana trafficking ring that supplied marijuana to Chris Bagley and the two men charged with killing Bagley over drug robberies from Shaw.
No jokes here. I reported to the Dubuque Police who I believe is the assailant , a Dubuque resident. I also reported to cemetery officials. I had the grave that is full that is supposed to be empty probed in 2016 & 2017. It went squish. It tapped nothing. I stated this in court disposing the assailant. When he found out I knew he immediately rented a cemented truck out of Duluth MN. and was ticketed on his way back because an officer spotted liquid coming out of the back. He got a misdimeanor.
He was driving the cement truck without a permit. I could see a trowel mark that wasnt there before. Now when you probe the grave it hits cement mimicking a casket. The courts will not allow me to dig an unknown person. It is considered an autopsy by Iowa law. An autopsy can only be performed if a crime has been committed in Iowa. In a certain sense how can a crime be proven if you can’t dig. I’ve gone round and round with every authority. I’ve spent thousands and thousands of dollars trying to rectify. The Dubuque police cited it wasnt there jurisdiction in Cass County. Cass County would not look into. Meanwhile the cemetery plot that was my mother’s who is not buried there was to go to me. I can not be there as it is full. Is it Paul? I can tell you the outline of the person from above ground view was face down, very tall and the first thing I said was this person does not have any shoes on. Like they were snatched from a home. This is a very rural area. I was told by the cemetery clerk a few people have randomly shown up over the years. I was horrified by this statement. If I can see they are not properly buried they no full well. I passed on the info. to your family. My hands are tied.
And by the way the assailant Im talking about was driving a mercury zephyr at the time of my grandma’s funeral in 1994. I and my sister thot his car was so strange because it had nice parts to it but a primer paint color. We were never taken to the correct cemetery. I believe because we would have noticed the strangeness at that time. I never saw my grandma buried. I did exhumed her spot only to find it was not her casket. Could not get a lawyer to touch it to go forward with opening the casket, considered an autopsy. I did find info that she was cremated. Where are her ashes? The timeline and events of what happened to my family and our cemetery plots eerily match up with Paul missing. The grave and body of the unknown person was dug originally in the winter it appeared. Hard to dig deep and also preserving the person for a time. Making an outline above ground.
If Paul were Hoffa, I might have gotten somewhere.
there was no way anyone was driving Paul’s car to your grandma’s funeral because his car was buried under 7 feet of mud in the Mississippi River. They found it a few weeks ago. So take your BS somewhere else and stop trolling this case file.
I’m so glad they found his car. Been praying for that. I hope they can glean more leads from this. I hope the authorities will consider a local person put it there, is a boater, and has boat(s) that are docked out of Dubuque. The person knows the area such as boat launches.
What is his name? If authorities don’t believe you, what’s the harm of telling me? Or make an anonymous tip to the police department. Please! Or more tips here. Was it someone he knew? A co worker or neighbor or just a random stranger? You are either full of shit or the time to speak up is now.
Sara, I believe you are Paul’s niece? I talked extensively to you on the phone, a few years back. I gave you a name and a picture. The police promised they would question him. But evidences have to add up, and I don’t know if the lead is correct. There were too many coincidences not to say something. And I truly hope this gets solved.
Cathy, not trying to be upsetting. So sorry. I did give a name to Sara and the police. It’s only based on my experience, a tip. I will respectfully not post. Love and prayers to your family.
You Nevet Ever talked to me Holly so you need to stop now. The entire family has discussed this and not one person has talked to you! STOP lying. We all assume you are nuts because your story is full of lies. Not one single person from my family has ever talked to you. Do you think we don’t communicate? Duh!!! Car was found, no primer paint like you said in your comment. Now that you include me in your lie gives me 100% proof you are lying!
Sara, please refer to posts here April 8, 2019 and April 11, 2019. I did in fact receive a phone call from someone saying they were Sara. One of the things discussed was your uncle had a pin or plate in his leg from an injury. That he was handicapped or a little slower and might have been taken advantage of because of this. I was looking for things identifiable that would deteriorate like glasses, dentures etc. if I were able to exhume the unknown person at my famly cemetery plot in Iowa. The conversation was almost two hours. If it wasn’t you, that is alarming!
And yes, the mercury zephyr this man was driving wasn’t the same. Now known for sure!
Regardless my comments are not helpful, so I will leave it there.
You gave your phone number in this chat and the entire family discussed that contacting you was not a good idea. Honestly we were a little spooked – you could have been the killer trying to see what we knew. Or what we really thought was you could be a mentally unstable person that could harm someone in your delusional state. If you received a call it was not from our family. He did break his leg, I have knowledge of that but not aware of any metal pins or plates. If you ever mentioned a name to ANY family member, we would’ve know immediately. Social media makes it really easy to talk to family members.I would definitely say it’s alarming you apparently gave information to a random person using my name. Investigators have never mentioned taking to you but I’ve never asked them either. But I am still curious who was driving a similar vehicle that made you think there was a connection. Did the person know Paul? Live by him? Work with him? Who is it that you say has boat(s) docked in Dubuque? Someone you said has great knowledge of the boat docks in Dubuque. If there was another crime committed it should be investigated too. Concerning Paul, the car appears to be the same color with no primer as far as I can see. The hood was pretty tore up but didn’t appear to be any other color besides the original maroon color. I also don’t believe someone would drive a car around for several years hours away only to drive back a few hours to dispose of it in the river. Thank you for your concern but at this time I don’t believe there’s any evidence that the vehicle you seen was the vehicle Paul owned.
Patrick D. Baird died in 2004.
Jerry Wintz died in 1999.
Stephen Woodcock died in 2007.
David Graham died in 2014.
Frank Sykora died last year.
Wilbur Millhouse died in 2015.
I found the article on Jerry Wintz that covers the pedophile ring, and mentions some of these men. Is it possible Sykora and Millhouse were part of it as well? I know they were both eventually caught for pedophile stuff, but those were separate cases and trials.
Also, I don’t know if you would know this, but did any of these men look like the drawing of the man in the car who was talking to Johnny? Or did any of them look like the man that was talking to Eugène Martin?
I was reading this and realized that there had to be more than one murderer and if not why didn’t anyone hear? Especially those in the same room. The oldest guest did have defensive wounds on her body and while she was fighting off the attacker, did she scream? Why didn’t others hear? If the two guests were killed last how come they didn’t hear anyone else scream? Even if all were asleep. You would of had to hear the ax.
My first reaction when hearing about this. It has been stated that the first blows rendered all victims practically motionless so I wouldn’t be surprised to hear it made them inaudible as well, if only long enough for the second blow. Fortunately we can not test this theory.
Still I can’t imagine a killer EXPECTING no one to make a sound as they attempt to kill 8 people. And this brings up the questions:
1. Was only one person the intended victim?
2. If so then who was killed first?
After watching “Villisca: Living With A Mystery” I’ve come to the conclusion that it was a psychopath/serial killer. Most probably Henry Lee Moore.
If any one specific person was the victim then it appears they could have easily committed the deed and left but to go after 8 people in 3 different rooms and on 2 different levels tells me that all of them were intended to die.
I can’t state it enough. WATCH THAT MOVIE
So many repetitive questions here a answered in it PLUS you learn so much more. A GREAT documentary.
I would love to know if there is anything left that was collected from the crime scene. As big of a case that this was nationaly you would think they might have some left. As we all too well now know, when you have a scene this bloddy and physical, the murderer most likey left some of himself at the scene along with his victim. If evidence still existed it would be a great chance to see what these experts we have today could maybe find…….just a thought
If I remember there was something about a car that she had sold to someone for a very cheap price, and there was cigarettes butt’s in the toilet
It’s still very sad
Steve Lybarger was in my class in school (ALHS 1970). I played at his house once in 2nd grade, I think it was. So he was born around 1952 (or late 1951). I’m assuming this obit is for the same Steve, with the Council Bluffs connections & all.
We don’t want to scar them for the rest of their lives. I mean someone fired shots in th o her residence and did not care if they killed her, the boyfriend, or the three kids. So, having their picture on billboard claiming they may be involved with her murder, will make them feel ashamed
Although they may have fled the area, to avoid being asked about their possible involvement in the murder of another person. What difference does it make, to quote a former Secretary if State in regards to the murder of four of her employees.
There are ppl of interest in this case that has left state but I don’t see Why there pictures are not being showed on billboards like the other Cold cases All murders deserve the same attention
This is such a recent case too, in comparison to some of the others, it would be amazing if more attention could be brought to her murder so it would have a better chance to being solved.
I want to add this was probably a two-tap hit, meaning it was a professional job. Chest, then head. This does not suggest stalker or a random act of violence. If someone close to her was involved, the murder would have been much more messy. Ashley was probably targeted because of the company she worked for, and that should be the focus of the investigation.
I believe the killer wanted to stoke fear into realtors working for the company and/or realtors working in the same area. The instant reaction by the company to protect its employees suggests that someone within the company knew the reason for this senseless crime
Real estate deals gone bad can motivate a crazy bastard to commit a horrible crime like this. Focus on motive law enforcement, and you will solve this crime.
Praying the truth comes out!
Clearly the person in the brown pick up truck was stealing.
Did he come back & Mr. Reed confronted him?!
Is this why he was attacked & murdered?
Police should try looking at brown colored trucks in that area at that time.
Praying for justice!
Two of the four people involved in this are now dead.
God will be their judge but there are still two others who need to be prosecuted!
Doris needs to be exhumed & a murder investigation needs to take place!
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Jule Sturzenegger (Loy) Gray, and Robert Rolfe should step up and own
what they know and did that night/weekend as they complete the 4 people involved in Elaine’s death and coverup. Lake Life above is absolutely right! There are still 2 people living to answer for at least themselves and their illegal participation
To do this to this sweet elderly helpless woman. A widow for 15 yrs. Legally blind. Small. She must have been terrified. Emma, You will be avenged. Whoever did this is a COWARD AND YOU WILL PAY! DON’T THINK YOU WON’T. YOU DESERVE THE WORST!!!!
I really don’t understand how or why anyone would want to hurt an elderly woman. But the criminal minder, They don’t have a conscious. They feel no empathy. No remorse. That’s how they can sleep at night.
I just re-read Aaron Pate’s sad story. It’s awful that he has never been located. I know what his brother, Ian, has shared and that’s it. I cannot imagine the emotional toll that the surviving family members have endured including the tragic and senseless loss of their sister.
I shared a few of my thoughts a few years ago and I also identified who i am.
I was pretty surprised that some of the responders had choice opinions about me. But, they chose to hide behind their initials and acronyms.
I still love my town. I have, however, become involved in several groups looking to better our town. Anyone who has felt out cast or not welcome is very welcome to join any group they wish and become part of the solution. It is difficult to put yourself out there sometimes, I’ve been there so I know.
I certainly apologize to anyone who felt I was blaming them for not being accepted. That was never my intent.
The original post was about Aaron Pate and I hope and pray that wherever he is, he is at peace. And, i hope his family has some sense of peace in their lives as they have had to live their lives without him.
I agree… this is no place for commenting on the pros/cons of Keota, IA.
I stumbled upon this site online after finding nothing at the local library.
I have since started a blog and it’s gaining momentum.
I had no idea a tiny little town in the middle of nowhere Iowa had so many secrets to keep.
If I learn anything significant from my blog, I will definitely share it here for the family of the missing…
I wonder if her family knows the identity of the ex-boyfriend. It would be nice to know, if he ever been investigated by the police. She complains to police that she is being bothered by him. Then she disappears, it would make me put him at the top of the list, to be looked at real hard.
I wonder if any other of his former girlfriends are missing.
Wow I’m reading all these comments about myself. You people have never heard my side of this. Did you know that Hal Snedeker knew how the victims were killed before the autopsy ever proved what happened? Of course not because you’re all too quick to judge people. There are so many liescout there and you have no fucking clue what I found in Hal and Linda Snedekers interviews. Bet you didn’t know that he has no alibi for that night. He has 50 plus inconsistencies in his interviews and 3 different. Stories about where he was. AND YOU FUCKERS WANT TO CALL ME A LIAR? He also told my daughter that wasn’t now the murders were supposed to have happened.. I can prove Hal was involved. All I need is for someone to do my story.AND ANOTHER THING— I did not roll Steve’s arm up in a car door, Melisa did. It happened in the 3 speed he had and I still to this day cannot drive one. Ask Patty Hilpipre, she’s the one who told me what actually happened. She was Melisas friend. Steve was ripping off Hal for drugs and was going to turn states evidence on him in court, but he died before he had the chance.
Teri, it’s nice of you to come clean of sorts. However, the victims were murdered in 1983. You have had over 37 years to tell your story, and point at someone else. I guess you could not find an attorney to represent you when you could have provided the statement you just elaborated.
This reminds me that the family in Columbus, Ohio protected their uncle and brother because they allegedly were afriad6to rat him out for a murder he committed. After he was dead, did kind of come clean after a journalist started digging.
I assume Hal, will come clean also, and point the finger st someone else
Terri yeah it made no sense to me either why they waited 31 years and let a Cold Case journalist talk them into bringing charges against you without any new evidence. Seemed kind of weird that if they were aware of possible drug dealings going on at the CDR that they didn’t bust them awhile ago. Make me wonder if he (Hal) was some confidential informant himself or was just a drug dealer that left Florida before it became to hot for him. And if they seemed to know that Steve was involved in drug dealing why they didn’t follow up on that further. Seemed like they just naturally assumed it was the so called criminal Supino family. Well hopefully you can get your story out and maybe they will get their act together in Newton & do some real police work. Best of luck and tell Tim I said hi. If he is still in Newton I will have to look him up next time I am there.
Well hopefully you can get your story heard and maybe even published Terry. Hopefully people will stop trying to pass judgement without all the facts. Sounds like it would be quite a compelling read if you where able to get your story published. Possibly start off with some background on you. Steve Fisher and the owner of the Copper Dollar Ranch. And for those that don’t believe drug hits can be brutal just look at MIAMI, FL in the 80’s . Out of control and brutal murders everyday. They used brutality to make a point. Enough said
Hello,my name is Donald Garney. And i am trying to find anybody that may remember or help me to find info on a homicide in webster city iowa. My Grandmother was remaried to a man with the last name Daniels, or McDaniels who murdered her and hid her body in a shed, being found weeks later. He had struck her in the head with a hammer and left her to choke on her own blood. Sorry for the detail, but ive tried everything. Hopeing now maybe someone in the earea may remember hearing about it in the news. My mother was raised in a orphanage at a very young age due to this, and has recently passed. If someone ,anybody can help?. Victims name Erma or Irma, Jane or Jean, McDaniel or Daniel murdered in webster city iowa, hamilton county or calhoun county, in 1960’s . Maiden name (carlson) . Thank you. And GODBLESS.
Donald, I recommend an online search for information related to her murder. Also, contacting the local library, they may have newspapers from that time period they could check.
Another option, would be to see if their might be a Webster City Historica Society. The murder would have been big news and they might have some records.
Also, I would assume that maybe the local county would have some trial records, if there was an arrest and court hearing. Those records hopefully would be resource.
The few details claims she took a Greyhound bus from Texss to visit her father in Davenport. Yet, we have no information or proof, she even reached Davenport, or Iowa period. Then we hear that she might have been missing since 1980 and not 1982.
Where is Sgt. Joe Friday, who asks for the facts and speculation. Can we get some more facts of when she left wherever in Texas.
I wonder, if this was a spur of the moment visit or a planned trip. If it was a planned trip, did she have a suitcase. How long was she going to be in Iowa. We don’t where she started, if she made it out of Texas, crossed any state borders or decide to runaway.
Could she have gotten braces ? Or plastic surgery to change her appearance? Had anyone from the greyhound bus seen her get on the bus? Did the bus driver who would of driven it there see her talking to anyone? Did the police even look Into any of these questions ? I am so very sorry for your loss but these are the questions I think people should be asking. Give this family the peace of mind or find the daughter safely. Praying you get the answers you need. The family deserves justice or to bring their daughter home safely.
It’s very unfortunate this man chose that way of life.But that gives no one the right to kill him. However people that deal with meth ruin other people’s lives. Let it be someone else. Don’t deal. Don’t take it. It’s a terrible road.
Chad, I wonder if your father was a veteran. I notice that was homeless when he disappeared. Many homeless are veterans dealing with various mental health or other issues related to military service.
If he is a veteran, then the authorities should reach out to the Veterans Administration to see, if he has visited any VA Medical Centers since his disappearance. The VA can’t release any medical condition stuff.
I notice there is no mention of any forensic evidence recovered. There should have been something between the burglary and his murder. Also, no mention if they got a description of the intruder that Smith encountered.
I would guess that the offender Smith encountered may have been a drug addict. I wonder if the rifle was ever recovered. Also, if local pawn shops to see if the stolen property were ever taken to them.
I’d recommend watching the People Magazine Investigates episode on Tammy’s case. It was a good and informative watch,
All signs sure point to Lonnie Bierbrodt it appears from my perspective. The authorities did render an opinion on him and a few others. I want to spoil for anybody who plans on watching the segment.
I was wondering if there was any explanation for tut he tattoo of the words “Soriano” bring tattooed on her neck. Aside understand it certain tattoos in prison indicates that the person belongs to a particular gang.
It could be a name of a family member, or maybe someone she was dating. It might be something to explore, as it might have made her a target. As being a gang member found hanging around on another gang’s turf.
I find it interesting that there was no mention of the police finding any fingerprints. Also, in regards to the .25 caliber firearm found at the scene. It would appear that it belonged to the victim. But, it not exactly identified as his. Which makes me wonder if the laundromat had ever been robbed before. This might explain Mr. Hill’s possible need to carry a weapon.
Also, he was stabbed 21 times, which would possibly point to someone bring extremely angry with him. Also, he was shot once. But, the authorities did not identify the caliber of the bullet. I might assume he was shot with the .25 caliber. But, it is an assumption.
In regards to the suggestion of Timothy Jay Vafeades being involved. It appears that he kept his victims captive. Lonnie Bierbodt, makes a better suspect, for the following reasons:
He lived close to where her body was found. He was visiting family, who lived close to where she first disappeared. The blanket she was wrapped up in had a Kenworth logo on it. He drove a Kenworth truck. Also, the musical watch. Also, he sold his truck within days of her being found.
However, all this is circumstantial evidence. It appears that the authorities most likely did not handle the processing of evidence properly. The processing of the crime scene is very important, this includes maintaining a proper chain of custody, as it is passed along to crime labs.
The two guys caught and charged in the kidnapping and murder of Bobby Frank’s, in 1920’s Chicago, were caught because of a pair of eyeglasses found where his body was dumped. It turned the eyeglass frame was something new from the eyeglass company Almer & Coe. It turned only three people in the Chicago area, had eyeglasses with those new frames.
Also, Colonel Goddard, MD, U.S. Army Reserve, was brought in by Cook County Coroner Jury, to process the St. Valentine Day massacre. He found that two Thompson sub machine guns had been used. One had a 50 round drum magazine and the other had a straight 20 round magazine.
Both weapons were found in the residence of Fred “Killer” Burke, in St. Joseph. He also shot and killed a policeman, who was assigned to investigate a vehicle accident Burke was involved in.
I worked with Mattie Lou also as a teacher’s aide back in 1976-1977. She was always really kind to me and all of the students. I’ve never forgotten her and have always hoped that we would know what happened. Her family should know she is still loved by me and many.
MIKED-its my understanding she was alone when last seen leaving place “a” to place “b” and I don’t think she was actually reported missing until day or days later.
My theory is she left the bar at closing time (or perhaps a little before) and passed out in her car. Both her keys and money were found in the car suggesting Crystal was in the car before she went missing.
But I also think the car moved and whoever moved her car took advantage of the fact she was passed out/intoxicated, and took her somewhere and removed her from the car before returning it to the parking spot.
So the kind of evidence this case needs is proving Crystal was in the backseat or passenger seat of her car and proof someone else was driving. Considering the circumstances and suspects I don’t think they’d gone very far. Five miles maybe. 20 minutes total round trip. The car is gone maybe a total of half an hour to forty five minutes depending on what he/they did. Her car moving suggests two people if they are heading out of town, but returning the car to the parking lot suggests a suspect who lives more locally or someone who needs to be back at the bar to establish an alibi.
Also something to consider: last seen 2am bar time? (bars tend to set their clocks a half hour so they close by 2am with no patrons inside the bar as is the law) or 2am real time when the bar is supposed to be closed with no patrons? Now I don’t know if Knickers sets its clocks a half-hour fast, but it is something to consider when we put a timeline together to pinpoint the time and place someone last saw Crystal and match that up with a suspect.
She didn’t have her car. Family took it home after the fireworks before she went to tge bar. She didn’t want to drink and drive. Video inside tge bar shows her coming in but never leaving.
Your theory about the car is less likely to have actually occurred because this is something the police could have confirmed with physical evidence. They searched and found nothing of note. I think it is more likely that she dropped her personal belongings off. This could have been at someone’s suggestion.
I think you have a good theory, but I imagine there would have been DNA of the other individual in her car had that been where she passed out—that’s even considering that she passed out and was lifted out of the vehicle without physical resistance. My theory more resembles someone or more than one individual saying, “Yeah, just leave your things in your car and meet us (here).” Something like that.
Law enforcement would have looked all over for her DNA.
This was my big brother and I will always love and miss him. He has a younger brother Anthony who just had a son last year. He named him Chris after his brother. If anybody has any pictures or anything of my brothers I will be willing to drive from where I’m at to where you’re at to grab it for my nephew and my brother. We just want answers as to what happened that night.
I was her roommate at Prelude with her a few months before she went missing. She was always screaming and crying on the phone with her boyfriend. The minute I heard of this I thought it was him
I wonder who asked her to hold a gun for them. Also, her ex-husband was doing time. I am concerned about this guy Smith, who is a drug counselor after serving time with her ex-husband at the age of 22.
I think that with her husband being in prison, that she would shy away from holding a gun for someone. She lucked out and got probation. However, her mentioning that she was bring possibly asked to be an informant put her life at risk.
Audrey, you suggest a connection to the murder of Teresa Sue Hilt. However, in Teresa’s case, she was beaten, raped, strangled, and stabbed. Also, the blood at the crime scene was cleaned up, and her body covered with a sheet.
In Judith’s case, she died from blunt force trauma. The crime scene was different. The only apparent connection was that they were both college students. But Teresa was working on a graduate degree.
I disagree with the thought on Teresa’s case, that the offender was a female. This assumption is based on the cleaning of the crime scene and her body covered with the sheet. A good profiler would look at the crime scene, and explain why it most likely was a male offender.
I wonder if the police ever identified the guy, who was harassing her.
I think they need to revisit this Richard guy. He’s a cheat & I think there’s more to this story. Also, if they can get a DNA sample from the baby I feel like that’s going to help too.
I miss my granny,,, I didn’t get the to spend a lot of time with her as an adult. I loved watching and betting on baseball with grandma. Grandma, I love and miss you
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WE HAVE A FACEBOOK GROUP BASED IN KEOKUK, CALLED THE MURDERS OF ERIC REDINBO & DOLORES HORNUNG. SEVERAL MEMBERS OF BOTH FAMILIES BELONG TO THIS GROUP. IF YOU ARE FAMILY, FRIEND, CO-WORKER, ANYONE WHO MIGHT HAVE INFORMATION, PLEASE JOIN OUR GROUP AND HELP US TRY TO SOLVE THEIR MURDERS. 22 YEARS IS TOO LONG FOR FAMILIES TO HAVE TO WAIT FOR JUSTICE.
Toni was my hunska (adopted) sister, and I spoke to her two days before her murder. I have NEVER been interviewed by DCI, although I have volunteered to numerous times. She told me some things about what were going on, and that have bearing on the case. I do believe that the young man’s death and Toni’s are connected, and that DCI dropped the ball on her case.
To them, she is just another dirty NdN/Latina, and her life wasn’t worth anything to them. I wish that we could have some closure for the family, and for the Tiyospiya who loved her. Eric’s family deserves closure as well.
Well I graduated with both Tim and Terry Supino from Newton High School. I was friends with Tim Supino since Junior High at Berg. Was even over to his house a few times. Didn’t see anything out of the ordinary with the family. I didn’t really know Terri that well, but she seemed ok. And as far as if she killed them I have no idea. Them being out there the night they were killed would automatically put them on the suspect list. Now during the Cold Case interview Tim had said he told his sister they had to let the cops know that they had been out to the Ranch earlier in the night. Now why would he do that if he was guilty? Why not just let it ride and not say a thing. Evidently there was nothing discovered at the crime scene indicating they had been out there. As well I am sure that the police checked their vehicles for blood and evidence since it sounded pretty brutal. Also, to state it was definitely a crime of passion and not a drug hit I beg to differ. There has been many cases of drug hits being very brutal with beatings and even cutting people up. It all depends upon the message trying to be sent. They can even be up close and personal as well. And if it is true they have an unidentified Male DNA they could trace it utilizing new method that they used to convict the Golden State Serial killer in CA. It enables them to tie Genetic DNA to known families which normally match to 98% or so and get to the bottom of who was there. They have definitely come a long way with DNA testing.
As far as the trial goes remember the jurors have to find them guilty without a doubt. Just here say and conjecture does not make a case. The inability to find any physical evidence is very damaging to the case they made. Especially 31 years later? You would have thought they would have left behind some clue or piece of evidence to tie her to the murder. Or used newer methods to look over and test the evidence they kept. While crime scene methods were not as good back then especially for a small town I am sure they could have brought in other agencies for help. And for those blasting people for defending the people they know IE family members and friends I would defend my family to the utmost of my being even if I knew they did something wrong. You can call me evil or whatever I could care less, but family is family period. Don’t berate me for defending my family. I can definitely tell there is a lot of emotion surrounding this case so it is understandable. But the bottom line is she went to trial and was found “Not Guilty” by a jury so unless they come up with some New evidence then she should be left alone. Besides I am sure a lot of us have said things in a fit of anger that are very damning. I don’t understand why they waited 31 years to bring it to trial. Seems to me that even back then they determined they didn’t have enough evidence back then to go to trial and what they had was just circumstantial at best. Well hopefully all involved can get on with their lives and leave it all behind as best they can. Hopefully some day the truth will come out and everyone can move on. Best of luck.
Toni knew what happened and who killed Eric, that’s why they made her disappear and quickly. I don’t know why more isn’t being said about the Anderson family – or what she found out happened in the Anderson home that night Eric was shot. She was concerned and wasn’t accepting the fluff answer that authorities and other’s close to the situation were giving to the public. Following her death, all neighbors should have been equally concerned as SHE WAS or even more-so, but where did we see that? The Keokuk PD put out the false impression that they were trying to investigate when they accused her boyfriend Lewis Greer but did not have evidence. Either way, if I am not mistaken – I believe he has now passed away as of March of last year (2020).
Shouldn’t it be mentioned that the Anderson family in one way or another now has at LEAST 10 different lots in their name surrounding the two crime scenes? There are no neighbors to “find anything,” let alone witnesses since 10 different lots and a number of the homes in those few blocks are owned by different members of the Anderson family this can easily be verified to this day – this wasn’t long ago. Who’s concerned that two murders happened in two days on the same block? I know I sure would be if my entire family lived up and down the street – even if it was in 1999.
Eric’s homicide still being accepted as an ‘accident’ after what happened to Toni after she started to talk about the details of what happened are such an obvious cover up. I am sorry but the hush hush KPD does not have a reputation of being honest or straightforward, just look at how they treated the family of Theresa Lund after her disappearance and murder and I quote – “well it looks like she finally left you” to Terry Bell her fiance at the time before she was found dead. I think anyone who knows Keokuk even a little has story or knows someone with a story about the crooked police, it’s not exactly a secret in Lee County or Iowa for that matter.
What kind of condition is Toni’s house in now vs. then? Why weren’t Eric’s friends at the Anderson’s house more forthcoming about the tragic incident? If this happened in your home to a ‘guest’ wouldn’t you be doing so much more to remember that person and talking about what could have been done differently? If your family/extended family owned at least 10 city-lots with two tragic deaths – (one a confirmed murder and another that IS supposed as murder) – wouldn’t you be doing so much more to encourage police investigation and to improve a neighborhood that you supposedly ‘cherish’ and own? Who’s muffling the squealers around there?
The biggest problem here, and it’s sad I have to point this out – is that Toni and Eric didn’t get the investigation they deserve. Toni’s case was a quick distraction to shut everyone up. Eric was never investigated fully either let alone as a murder. The shoulder shrug lip service was ‘stick with the gun loading accident.’ More investigation needs to be done for Dolores. An ACTUAL investigation needs to be done for Eric. This was not a long time ago and the answer is definitely out there.
I would also like to mention, Keokuk is not a place that changes – the answer is out there like it’s yesterday.
Family and friends should be enraged, not defensive. Not investigating Eric’s death as a murder is truly the crime happening here. Both cases would unfold rather quickly.
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I’m not an expert by any means but I have been a domestic violence advocate for 15 years. The personal nature of Pat’s murder points to someone close to her. Some marriages aren’t as happy as they seem from the outside. I’m sorry to all of Pat’s family and friends. I know how hard this must be, no matter how much time passes.
It’s an open secret in North Iowa that the police killed Jodi and have been aggressively covering it up for 25 years. Anyone who looks into it gets heavy retaliation from the police and sees their lives ruined or ended suspiciously.
At this point, there’s no one left to get justice for in this case. Jodi’s dead, her mom’s dead, and the silenced witnesses are dead. MCPD remains a bastion of corruption and cronyism.
Husband did it. Two thoughts. 1) Based on Bill’s comment about finding out that Jason had an affair, he said ‘We (he and Shirley) did something wrong’. That is a comment based on morality. He felt there was a failure on their part in raising Jason. As a moral man, he may have believed he could do no wrong, and place the blame entirely on his wife. This also sounds familiar with the reports that Bill was a very controlling husband. 2) Where’s the rifle? Husband claims the son hid the rifle somewhere on the property, and retrieved it later to get rid of it. Couldn’t the husband do the exact same thing? Husband had more opportunity to get ride of the gun along the stretch of roads during his traveling to sell the grain. Or on his return. 3) Spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to investigate the son is a sign of deflection/guilt. He essentially blamed the son for the death of his wife, because he thought it was her fault that their son had an affair. And 4) most important. It is HIGHLY unlikely that a son who just murdered his mother in cold blood would EVER touch her body to carefully place her hands crossed over her chest
THAT is something that a husband/lover/significant other would do. Basically placing a loved one “at rest’. Jmho
Too bad there isn’t more information out there. When was the last time he was seen alive? Was he employed at the time? Was that a normal apartment or the kind of place made available to Eagle’s Lodge members going through hard times?
DCI spoke to his employer and co-workers. But it wasn’t unusual for Boner to no come to work some days. I believe that when he was discovered that he was wearing the same clothes that he had on the last day he had went to work.
What really bothers me about this case is that it just doesn’t make any sense. First of all, there were 10 other duplexes where she lived and no one heard anything at a time when people are regularly home? The fact that her phone lines were cut doesn’t make sense for it to be just a simple robbery gone wrong especially when there are no signs of forced entry and nothing of note was missing. the fact that she was murdered between 6:00 and 6:30pm, where it would be light outside and there is a higher chance of beeing seen. Also the fact that the medical examiner said that she only had “slight” signs of a struggle just does not make sense. Paired with thte fact that there were no signs of forced entry it makes it seem like she knew the person who killed her. Apparently her husbands alibi checked out. Could it have been someone from her work or school that followed her home? Was the murder weapon ever recovered? Why were the clothes she was wearing described but not much else was? Why was the husband immediatly cleared in the origional DesMoines register article that announced her death? that just doesn’t seem normal to be like “This woman was killed, but her husband didn’t do it!” There are just so many questions
To answer Kennedy directly… Lack of neighbor observation is a little troubling. A re-interview of neighbors after this many years might allay the usual fear of getting involved and anyone who did see something may have tired of guilt over failing to speak up.
The cut lines are also troubling. It was never clear whether the lines were cut outside or inside the home. That alone would make a difference in the timeline and motivation. What kind of tool was used? Was a tool found? I can tell the difference between scissors, knife and wire cutters for example. Outside wires would be harder to cut.
Second or third hand hearsay shortly after the murder from people who rode with her indicated her husband was at work at a shipper’s sorting facility at the time of the murder and could not have traveled in the available time. Further hearsay was that he had called home twice during that time. Once the phone was picked up but no one answer and later the phone was busy. Since both of these are hearsay I would rather see the police reports than rely on it. I would think police would have checked phone records at work and would also have checked whether her husband could have arranged a killing.
We know none of this, so anything one might conclude about the murder is pure speculation. What is needed for any further progress is a lot more information, information the police are unlikely to release.
The detective who interviewed me was interested in her contacts, potential extra marital interests and friends among those who commuted with her to school. I knew of no liaisons and had heard no rumors but I provided lists and schedules of those who rode with her. My job was to maintain the schedules for the commuter club. If they followed up with those people it could be as many as 5 people each way for each day of the week she rode or drove. I got no feedback or contact from police after that interview. Further hearsay indicated she rode back from school in an earlier car which was a common practice in the club. Even more people would have to be interviewed.
In most cases I’ve gotten the impression police are rather exhaustive in interviewing potential contacts in murder cases.
I wonder whether any physical evidence such as her clothing were preserved that could be checked for DNA. That might be helpful, much more so if it were found on a weapon or on wire cutters or the phone or wire themselves.
Yes, there are many questions that we in the public cannot begin to help answer. Especially after so many years, it would be good for the police to release information to a limited review team to get fresh eyes on it, but not wholesale publication. I am sure police are and all of us should be concerned about wild speculation and life destroying false accusations that can go viral on the internet. It is so easy for people to gen up hysteria regarding totally innocent people on flimsy, incorrect or even false evidence and literally destroy their lives. The Atlanta bombing and the drowning of Elissa Lam are two that come to mind.
It is also possible the police know exactly who killed Mary but are unable to prove it with enough evidence to convict. Perhaps they know but that person is serving a long prison sentence already. Perhaps they know but the person is dead. Perhaps the person is avoiding prosecution overseas. Releasing information could jeopardize future prosecution or foil plans to capture that person. Releasing information they can’t yet prove can expose them to defamation lawsuits etc.
I got a hint from what Kennedy wrote that he may suspect some kind of cover up. Unanswered questions about how quickly the husband was cleared are not evidence of malfeasance. They are simply unanswered questions.
Why aren’t the physical addresses mentioned? Maybe the evidence is still around like the gun? Sorry for your losses🙏🏻.. Kpd threw me in jail with a broken jaw and I had a T.BI. Didn’t care if I died in Lee County…
It depends how they handled it. Also, they may not want to reveal wh as they have. Although they may have used it to try and convict her boyfriend. However, they may not want to spend the money to retest something unless it might provide an investigative lead.
I knew this family years ago, his son Dovey, Big Earl, Earl JR, Andre.
Dovey helped me survive in 1984-1989,do to my parents kicking me out , being molested, and lots of other factors, not having anywhere to go.
The best advice they gave me was, you can play a victim all your life, or you can be strong and be a survivor, because life is hard.
Sugar Bear helped me when Dovey and I had a falling out, and tried to make it right.
Years later I seen Sugar Bear, he asked me why I left the family, we had a conversation, I explained and he told me no matter what, he’d always thought of me as family, I genuinely feeI the same. I know, Sugar Bear wasn’t the most examplillary person, but him and Dovey did have good advice.
Another piece of his advice was, if I’m asking you something, I already know the answer, so yours better be right.
He will live on , through his family and friends.
He always was hustling, trying to make a dollar, make more than what he grew up with.
He gave shelter to alot of people, at Hollywood Hookup, his car lots and other business ventures. May his family someday get justice for him.
He was always proud of his family, not many knew alot about him except those closest, may he rest in peace.
I hate to say it, but is there any way this could possibly be a suicide and coincidentally be that close to Brenda Dailey’s murder? I know, it’s really crazy to be so close together in both time and location, but I just think it’s strange that it happened so close to his wife’s death and their wedding anniversary. So sorry for the family, that must have been so hard to deal with both parents dying that close to one another and not knowing for sure what happened to their father!
I’m mostly wondering why they called it a homicide. Is it because nobody thought he could’ve fallen down the stairs, or is it because there is other evidence pointing to the fact that he may have been murdered?
Yes DCI was never called and the lady that was there owed a lot of people money. I believe she saw my dad as a way the thing in his wallet. And if I remember right his pickup was found in front of house and his Cadillac suv was found in front of Catholic Church. I believe if this happened in any other a deeper investigation would have been executed. Jared Clausen I believe doesn’t have the qualifications to Investigate a murder. When he told me ambulance left my dad would be fine he was up and talking. I find that hard to believe when Kathy called her brother because Dan fell downstairs her brother lives in ida grove 30 minutes from Mapleton. It was said she couldn’t get my dad up in chair and her brother “Had to get my Dad up in chair” now if someone fell downstairs my stairs and couldn’t get up I’d call 911 for ambulance. I’m not a so called investigator like Mr. Clausen but wouldn’t you wanna call DCI for a homicide and on further investigation wouldn’t you wanna pull bank records and credit card records? And wouldn’t her charges be accessory to murder and her brother. I believe there are
More things they know and officer Clausen are know. These are my opinions! My gma hieber deserves a right to know who killed her son and we as children deserve the right to her had four sisters also and my uncle Kenny deserves it to. I hope someone who knows or I hope someone has yo see holes In the story’s given why fight Clausen call dci and why didn’t sister and brother get questioned deeper and why she called him if someone was hurt that bad. Question the ambulance how apparent was my dad is it like they said?!?!
I’m sorry I typed that fast. I meant he had atm cards and credit cards I believe they were used after the murders they weren’t found in his wallet. He had his mother and us kids and 4 sisters who deserve an answer. I’m sorry I also meant I believe if this happened in any other Town DCI would’ve been called. And I believe she saw my dad as a way to pay her debts. I’m sorry for the mistyping. You can piece these things in from the first post.
After reading a small snippet of her story, he absolutely seems responsible. Got rid of the truck, started having violent outbursts, dropped out of school.. did he have family working in law enforcement? I hope they get the bastard to give your family justice and closure.
Did Rita have a vehicle that is also missing? If so, what are the details of that vehicle? If she didn’t, how did she normally get around? News reports say she was last seen at the casino and other says she went missing after leaving the casino. Casinos have a lot of cameras, even the parking lots. Was she last seen leaving alone or with someone else? Did she get in a car?
I have a problem, with the fact that the cause of death has not been released
She was murdered over 30 years ago, what are they waiting for. Did they expect that someone was going to walk in and confess to a crime they did not committ.
We have other cases involving homicides, where we know the cause of death. Many agencies do hold back some tidbit of information kn these Cases. But again after 20, 30 or 40 years, and the case is unsolved, what good has it done.
Also, many departments are remiss in keeping in contact with victims families. They have no clue, that this causes the victim’s families. So, it appears to the family that the death of their loved one, is not big deal, and that the police don’t care.
The one investigator mentions that most of their homicides were drug related. So, he is okay with that. So, it was the victim’s fault that she was murdered.
A new book about Paula is coming in June:
What Happened to Paula: On the Death of an American Girl
Hardcover – June 15, 2021
by Katherine Dykstra
> In July 1970, eighteen-year-old Paula Oberbroeckling left her house in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and never returned. A cold case for fifty years, Paula’s story had been largely forgotten when Katherine Dykstra began looking for answers. A woman was dead. Why had no one been held responsible? How could a community give up and move on? Could there ever be justice for Paula?
> Tracing the knowns and unknowns, Dykstra discovers a girl who was hemmed in by the culture of the late 1960s, when women’s rights had been brought to the fore but had little practical bearing on actual lives. The more she learns about Paula, the more parallels Dykstra finds in the lives of the women who knew Paula, the lives of the women in her own family, and even in her own life…What Happened to Paula is a timely, powerful look at gender, autonomy, and the cost of being a woman.
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….. I’ll tell you.. the certain sacrifices got to be made in life. If that was my family that nurse would be dead and a whole bunch of other people would be gone
because honestly nothing’s work so far trying to do the honest way
There has been misconduct issues with law enforcement, county attorneys and court appointed attorneys. If you of low social status, you get no justice.
Didn’t it state that Hanni brought back a guy with him from the Jet where the two had been drinking? How does anyone know this. Who else was at the home that night that can positively identify or state that the 2 men showed up at the home together or maybe hanni came home alone and this other guy could have tailed him to the home and shot them all stole their dope and took off in the dead of the night. Or wait his new girlfriend was there and how ironic she decides to up and leave in the dead of the night after 1am to drive back to where she’s from? Now how long was she here in sioux city with him? Why she leave so abruptly and at that time. How was she going to get back home drive? What made her decide to go back home. Or did she leave with the other man that came home with hanni? Talk about a lucky gal. And what about the wild bunch that the cops said were known to use drugs that came home with them and trashed the house or left it in a mess? And what about the little rat who goes and tells the cops ” oh by the way I swiped some weed from one of the guys earlier in the night at the house. Who does that?? Only an idiot who wants to implicates himself in the home the night of the murder and now as a thief and possibly something more. What was his follow up interviews like? The 3 were no good that’s for sure. Hanni eats out a big dope dealer in Denver’s prolly because he couldn’t pay his weed bill and was most likely told he’d pay with his A$$ so he decides to be a SNITCH. WHAT HAPPENS TO A SNITCH IN JAIL. YEP HE DON’T LIVE TO SEE TOMORROW. Now anti union views wouldn’t of gone over well back in the 70’s either. Ibp had some bad strikes where houses were blown up back in 70’z and 80’s n animals were even killed hung up on clotheslines they said?? Now the old ladies or mother n friend entered the home they see the pregnant girlfriend first, as she was shot dead and her leg is stuck in the small swinging doors they used to separate rooms back then. Where was she going? Now Hanni was all dressed and still in his winter coat out in another room or the room where the pregnant gal lay and he was face down shot execution style in the back of the head behind the ear and in the back. And lastly the woman find her son Billy in another room he shared with his pregnant g/f, and he’s naked prolly because him n his girl were what done having sex and she went out to get him a beer or her something to eat or drink, and now let’s figure out who’s shot first? Billy is in their makeshift bedroom where the mattress was and he’s naked, she’s in her robe barely made out of the bedroom, and Hanni is fully dressed laying face down fully clothed. I’d say the wild bunch who came over and trashed house and drank with them and they were known to be bad news on dope, probably made hanni think he could ride along with them so he got popped 1st, she come running out and she got popped 2nd, and Billy awakes to all this noise and standing there naked one of the no good bunch slips behind him puts gun to his head and says good night sorry to wake you but you just laid on us so bang your dead but you were still moving so a couple more for good measure , they steal their dope and leave and collect the ransom money from the colorado dope dealer that hanni ratted on and anyone who talks will be next. I seriously doubt it had anything to do with anti union b/s. They came here to hide and work not sit out on an upcoming picket line. They never stayed in one place long enough. So naturally when asked if they will honor the strike they prolly said hell with the union I came here to work. Sure that didnt go over well them being new guys. I’m sure it didn’t garner and murder scheme over it. They carried guns in lunch boxes cause they were snitches, petty thieves and credit card buyers prolly purse snatchers too. But when you owe the dope dealer money and rat him out to avoid paying him and he gets jail time he’s gonna tell the boys you find those little bitches and snitches and see to it they don’t have the chance to snitch again. I’m surprised their tongues weren’t cut out. That was mafia style for a snitch in the 70’s. They came up here because mom n dad hot the hell out a dodge where they were from so g/f is knocked up cant just leave her let’s go to iowa see mom n dad for a bit then leave. Problem was they stayed too long and talked too much because I bet hanni was a talker. Prolly talked all kinds of crap like they were big time criminals, thieves, pot smokers and dope dealers themselves, so they had to get a job because they couldn’t all 4 stay with Billy’s mom n dad. So Hanni’s girl prolly says ” you guys said we were only going to iowa to visit and go back to her hometown but they lied to her so she says I need to go take care of a couple things and I’ll be back. Well she had no plans to come back. She was gonna rat out their butts soon as she got home but someone already beat her to it and in the dope world a bounty on a snitch’s head travels fast and back then those biker rough crowd that did them in prolly was getting their weed from colorado or California and bikers transported that stuff back then. So word of mouth travels like wildfire and they got wind of the bounty on these 2 clowns and they collected. If they’d a visited mom n dad and left they might a lived another week a month. But I still bet Hanni talked too much or to the wrong guys and someone found out about the hit the dope dealer in colorado prolly put on them and they couldnt pass it up. Cruel fricken world. But anytime you get involved in drugs and snitch out a guy instead of paying him and this is back in the 70’s. Mafia killings were going on, mafia was in the labor unions then too, Hoffa style but that didn’t cause these deaths. Snitching on a dope dealer did. That’s my opinion only. I played detective and I like my theory. Can’t stay in one place too long fellas. You knew that. A gun in the lunchbox in the car can’t do much for ya now can it. Remember when grandma or grandpa said watch the company you keep. When your new in town, you keep your mouth shut, you don’t tell where your really from ever. And never bring strangers into your home. And don’t go in there’s remember. Nope you forgot. Bang your dead, and so us she and so is he. It was coming soon anyway because you guys lied to hanni’s new girl so she bailed on you and by the skin of her teeth did she make it home in the nick of time and able to to tell about it to her grandkids. She would of been your snitch just someone beat her to it.
It seems fairly likely that Reed is actively omitting parts of the story like Zirtzman’s involevement in the rescue, could she be trying to distance herself from him? Could she have been trying to avoid anyone suspecting her involevement in Zirtzman’s testimony?
The terrible condition of Jaymie points to possible child abuse, this is backed up by the scalding-like burn marks on her body causing the burnmarks on 33% of her body, yet not causing any singeing of the hair. Could Jaymie have been trying to ease pain from scalding by submerging herself in the bathtub?
I theorize that Zirtzman had been exploited to take the blame, this could be done by promising him that he would also be hailed as a hero after giving the testimony that someone else prepared for him. Could Reed have been the one to design the testimony?
Reed possibly caused the fire to cover up the abuse of Jaymie, afterall if she died in a fire thsi would cover up the scalding wounds and make the bacteria in Jaymie significantly harder to detect.
Sue, I have found that a lot of records from Iowa are not on Ancestry for some unknow9reason. If anything there should have been a Social Security Death Index entry. But then he died in 1960.
The other surprising thing is there is no mention of him having a family, unless he was estranged from his family.
The other problem is how can the public help with the investigation when we have no information to work with. We don’t know how he died, where he died, or any other detail related to him being murdered.
It is sad that the police department decided to keep most of anything from the public. Yet, it appears the present leadership has not made an effort to release more details. b
We’re their any signs of a struggle?
She was beaten to death so I’m sure she would have struggled with her attacker.
I wonder if she has his/her blood under her finger nails?!
Praying the killer is brought to justice!
The fingerprints they have need to be run through Codis.
They need to exhume her body & get DNA OR test that DNA they do have.
Something needs to be done.
This is sick & it needs to be solved.
So disturbing.
My heart breaks for all involved as well as that many police officers who investigated this case.
Praying this gets solved & that the offender gets caught!
AS THE SON OF THIS TRAGEDY, TO THIS DAY, MY BIOLOGICAL MOTHER & HER FAMILY HAVE REFUSED TO OFFER ANY SUPPORT ON THIS ISSUE. INFACT, THEY RATHER NOT DISCUSS, AND WERE MORE INTRESTED IN RUNNING ME OFF WHEN I TOOK THE TIME OUT OF MY LIFE TO CONFRONT THEIR PAST. THEY WERE MORE INTRESTED IN SHUNNING MYSELF. RICHARD MCKINLEY SKILLINGS, PATRICIA ANN KELLEY SKILLINGS, THEIR CHILDREN, MICHELLE,SHELIA,MARK & MIKE SKILLINGS. IF YOU KNOW ANY OF THESE FOLKS, ENLIGHTEN ME IF YOU WOULD HOW THESE FOLKS CAN LOOK THE OTHER WAY TO THIS CRIME THEIR MOTHER WAS AWARE OF. THANK YOU.
Some situations just seem to stay with people their whole lives. Linda’s situation is one such situation that has stayed with me. I didn’t know Linda, or her family members, but I very clearly remember the case. I was a High School Sophomore living in Sgt. Bluff at the time, and I was bothered that her murder was unsolved and that her family had never received the justice that they deserved. A few years after her death (1987, I think) an older step brother of mine told me that one of his friends told him that he had killed Linda. I wasn’t told to the entire conversation, only that he said he did it, which was horribly vague. I was living in Kansas City at the time that my brother told me this, and I contacted the Sioux City Police in an attempt to pass the information to someone. I knew at the time it was a stretch, hearsay, whatever, but I was compelled to bring the information forward in hopes that someone would follow the lead. I was told by the person on the phone that information from someone who heard something from someone who heard another person wasn’t the sort of lead that would be helpful in the case. I was thanked for my call and that was that. To this day, I believe that Loren Brown killed Linda Bentley. Not just because my older step brother said he confessed to it, but because Loren Brown was one of the creepiest people I have ever met, and I believe him capable of killing someone without remorse.
I was living in Sioux City when my sister in law told me about the little boy Manuel Ramirez’s death right when it happened. I’m no police officer but right away told her that I suspected he was murdered !!! How on earth did these officers fail to realize this at the time. A few years ago I’d read the biological father was locked up and the child lived with the stepmother and her kids. This woman got away with murder !!! And from what I understand she may have fled to Mexico. HOW’S ABOUT PUTTING A WARRANT OUT FOR THIS THING THAT MURDERED THIS INNOCENT CHILD. I raised 9 children and would have gladly taken in this child. My heart breaks thinking how this little boy was more likely being treated. Father gone, mother gone and left to someone who killed him. 😭😭😭😭😭😭 One can only pray there’s a heaven and the angels and God are with him.
Things Should have been looked INTO even on “Suspious” Disapperance
For whatever ‘reason(s) were NOT
Haven’t Seen Mention Military “Dog Tags” 1984 WERE Popular as your aware FORMER Marine. Do you RECALL if “Harry” wore Regular? 21 at time Missing LOT young guys WORE even if NOT Active Status. VITAL in itself ïf” did. Lotta Open Country Iowa Understood. Lot of things GONE by now. Dpg Tags still around Somewhere UNLESS removed from “Harry” Even if removed. Maybe Metal Detector on ANY UNIDENTIFIED Suspect Sites may provide clue(s).
* Former Military Police Investigator (Army)
SAW LE has OPENED as CI Case. The Military Jacket “Harrys” last KNOWN timeline on Base. Medical, Dental and or ACTIVITIES on File?
Reason mention Hospital CHECK and Marine VA? Any Visits that time Frame.
Likely had Reservist ID possibly SSN “Printed” on front, Another “Door” Cracked.
Someone had ACCESS even 1984 to SSN Nip in BUD May still be PAPER Trail( electronic) Now if Financials Tampered with.
The Credit “Bureau” Giants Emerging in 80s
Know mentioned POSSIBLE $ around $1800 “Poker” Lot Money 1984. IF taken from “Harry” Spent SOMEWHERE or SOMEONE else. New Car Show up in Neighborhood?
I’m approaching as COLD Case with EMBERS still Burning.
I am in my 70s and grew up in the area. I am well aware of the gambling in K-town. The 400 Club was owned by Jay Hickey and was one of the oldest gambling establishments in town. Yes, it had a 2nd floor. Jay was a well like man and I know of no trouble at the club. It was said he ran an honest game.
I guess Judge Glanton we, missed the fact that Mr. Holt is dead at the hands of both individuals, that he released. Did, Judge Glanton, think that Mr. Holt, shot himself, or that the bullet came from ourtspace.
Also, there was bad blood, between the three of them, Mr. Holt did pull not pull a weapon of any kind. So, I hope that Judge Glanton, took the time to explain to Mr. Holt’s family, why he let two guys get away with causing his death.
I like that a witness claimed that Wilson had a good record in the community. I guess because of his dispute with Mr. Mure, another person iui s dead. I hope he or Mr. Mure went on to lead a good life and another family lost a loved one.
Certainly the Judge failed this case miserably! He definitely didn’t shoot himself and they both fired shots so….. The system failed Harold! RIP Big Bro!
Through DNA, I have found that Jerry Lee Huff is my birth father. I know he was not a good person, and running around the area at this time. If you need any DNA for cold cases….I’m willing to offer it. Good Luck on your case, very sad story.
What about this little boy? Boone Denton died Feb. 1, 2018, in Creston of complications from blunt force trauma to the abdomen, according to the state medical examiner’s office. So far, there have been no arrests in the case.
Pat Heideman contacted Dateline last year (2019). Dateline had contacted him yesterday and they are doing a show including this story. Hopefully this will get solved in 2021.
All these years later Les finally gets arrested for stuff that he allegedly has been doing for years, according to comments on this forum. The other question, is the involvement of Kim’s mother Joyce. She, appears to have allowed her husband Les, to do a lot of bad stuff over the years.
I think that she has some explaining to do. She moved in and married this man. She appears to be okay, with his actions and abuse. I wonder if covered up other abuse by her living husband.
I don’t understand why the Davenport Police did not complete a report. This is the basic part of their job. Even though someone claimed that it was a suicide. The coroner or medical examiner makes the final decision on cause of death.
There should be an investigation by an outside agency to determine who is at fault. If necessary they should be charged with obstruction of justice. This reflects the trust the community has that their police department conducting any investigation.
This starts at the chief and goes down hill. It reflects on his leadership that he allowed this to happen.
This is so obvious to me.
His “best friend” was having an affair with his wife then she takes the kids away for the weekend & he just happens to be murdered?!
Then his “best friend” just HAPPENS “finds” him & automatically try’s to say he committed suicide?!
THE “best friend” has friends at the police station & they don’t even TRY to do the MOST BASIC of police work but instead just try to confuse & cover things up?!
His wife & “best friend” have now gone on to their judgement.
My heart breaks for his children & family!
It’s very sad! His family still misses him deeply everyday and just wants answers! Although, I’m sure our lovely police department will never get them the closure they need.
My heart hurts for her sister and what happened to Mrs. Reimann, It takes a special kind of low life coward to harm anyone but especially elderly, handicap, children and of course animals. I pray for justice.
Sorry if I rained on your speculation spoltight Russ! Judging by your amount of posts you feel your answers are the most correct even if not really probable. My suggestion was based on likely probability and not speculation. Many times (several) when some one and their vehicle disappears as well, it quite often went in the water somewhere near. You obviously feel there is a major conspiracy like Jimmy Hoffa disappearing and are enjoying the spotlight for your conspiracy theories!
Enjoy your limelight Russ!
Looking at the comments they appear to be a lot of hearsay, rumor, and speculation and few if any real facts. If you look closely at Google earth at the road from Albia to Avery, you’ll see a fair sized pond right next to the road on the outside of a curve along the way. If some one were to doze off or pass out going into that curve, they’d obviously end up in that pond with little to no evidence of it even happening.
Instead weaving a bunch of speculation, you should do something factual and positive and seriously check that pond out!
I think it was his wife!
You don’t sell the guys company a couple months after he dies like that.
Plus she has motive because she was addicted to gambling.
I pray justice will be done some day!
National Car Recovery REWARD Club. Flyers Sent Out.
Suprised FBI or LE as MANY Divers Not REQUIRED to Conduct ONE EXERCISE AT LEAST fot Training.
Marines Army Navy Air Force Coast Guard. Training Exercise REAL TIME “If Happen” Recover Suspious ITEMS Should NOT be Violation Posse Com a tatous(No Spell Check) Approched as Training with Coordnated Data Base.
Fun and Interesting.
Would Put to REST “We ALL live in a Yellow Submerinr”(Song) Cute tho……Pun Intended Beattles.
My grandma lived in Coralville & we lived in Hills in 1992 that was the year before my parent divorce.
Hills is such a small town.
Scary to think it might have been someone we had known in that town or someone we had known in the town my grandma lives in.
Why can’t they just do a DNA test?!
This poor babies life mattered!!
DNA Tests with trace on familial DNA costs around 5,000.00-6,000.00 dollars. Contact the local law enforcement agency that dealt with this case and ask them if you or they can start a GoFundMe page to raise the money for the testing fees. As I wish ever one of these cases was solved, not many of them will be unless you and I and everyone else participates in donating money to help this child get justice. Are you up for it?
All three men just happened to be able to provide alibis for eachother the night she goes missing & Melvin admitted that he had hired these guys to follow her?!
It was obviously him!!
Said Im OFF this. I get started and,,,,,,,,,,,,Puzzle?
To Avery . Already was KNOWN to MOST . and Albia also LE and Mark Milligan “Off Duty”
Ks and Ms CONNECTION?
Consider 1984 Mo Drink Age 18 Kansas City other side Line Downtown 21 (or other way around. Read Harry Drank at LEAST BEER.
Consider 1981 1982 1983 Age 18 to 20 Made LOT “Beer Runs” Kansas City. Not Harry Particular. Tho MARK May Know.
Large Flea Market Lil Fun Shopping?.
3hrs Out 3 Back. Full Day “FUN”
1984 Drinking Age Kansas City Changed Both Sides State Line to 21
KSB(Kansas City Butcher) Operating 1984 Did NOT Have to Visit TOWN or send Recruiter per say(only read~Video thought had one)
Bar(s) Open Longer Kansas City want Party Contibue
More “Options “FENCE” or Strip Nicr CAR
Any FLYERS of Harry SENT to Kansas City? “IF” Harry KNOWN to VISIT Occassionally? Ages 18 to 20 This “COULD be something DUE to KSB Victims ALL KNOWN(op Word) 18 to 21, Tho Another Video Believe LOT MORE Victims.
MAY have NOTHING To DO With KSB(deceased)
A Flyer Might PERK Intrest that would NEED Factual Verificaton Simple PHONE Call.
If NO KSB Connection, Fence Car? Favorite Bar? ect ect
Rope or light Chain from Shore attached to Magnet. Videos HOW on YOU TUBE.
Even FROM Shore BUDDY SYSTEM any ISSUES. DRONES on SUNNY CLEAR Day with Camera. IF IF IF Car DRIVEN In probally CLOSE Shore UNLESS Lake or River has Current(maqy have DRIFTED by NOW)
Yes FACTS the Best. Someone Calls with a Tip. But Needs Verification on Factual Basis Unless YOU Prtsonally KNOW Tipster.
This is Considered COLD. Other words Not much ACTIVITY. Call still could Come
Spmetimes Discussions May Develop Lead Which Lead to Tips Investgated to Facts
SEEMS Money at Poker Table 1984 WARRENTED sucjh Investugation
Murphy in Knoxville wound Up Missing 20 July 1984 Body Found Nov 1984 by Hunters. REPORTED as Missing. The Murder Investigation dif not began till body Discovered
I’v Worked with FBI Secret Service DEA Local SD Task Force as IO (Independent Operator) and Military
Usually did not ask me to sit around wait fot Phone to Ring. Perp say “I did it” without Developing Lead or Hunch and Speculation ar Times Ferreted Out. Tho Drank lot Coffee.
These Comments Pointed Towards LE
Yes Easy way solve Mystery. Start back book Read Foward 2nd Read If POINTS nissed 1st READ.
Ill Respect Your 1st POST and LEAVE at rhat. Phone or Visit May Happen Still with FACTS and Closure
Im Outside “Looking In, Perked my Intrest from FACTS you Do Have
Like Im Reading Mystery Novel Front to Back tothe Conclusion.
Ill Respect Not Interested.
Something Not “sitting” quite Right. Chapter Missing.
The word fact us very important here and I disagree with you on if you know the person. From personal experience I believe if you read the letter above. which I can not say for sure but believe his information came Steve .This letter has caused me alot of anger know how many false statements he made.Jeff did corporated but mark didn’t know this at the time.Steve however was confused on the car parking and it was no big deal but it was wrong. We have learn alot this past few months I understand why a 3rd person was with them and his car was park there. They have been coroporating with law enforcement however they don’t have a friendly relatelationship with Mark I don’t know what happens to Harry he was my friend to I was who his mom called that morning to go looking I asked questions first. Mark never called me.or reply to my tex in 2016 I miss Harry I don’t recall ever being so upset when he didn’t come .but I don’t ever want to excuse of knowing something or or having my words turned around. I would love to have the facts and Harry home but it the facts not just what someone says or here.
Any Witness or Suspect Connection to Kansas City?KSB has Lots Photos again deceased, Found No Photo of “Recruiter” per Say. Small TOWN may Reconize KSB Visiting Bar or Poker Room LE may be Worth Showing KSB Photo SINCE DECEASED since 1992 oe so
KSB Called Cops on a MO-Ks Victim so NO Misunderstanding NOT Murphy, But PERKED Intrest Similarities “Hospital” Since KSB Deceased might be worth Check 1984 Hospital Logs.Also again Interesting Only Victims Murphy and “Harry Similiar age LOOKS. NO DOT Connection
Google dearcj Avert and Slbia Iowa Only approx 7 Mile Drive. Knoxville 35. Kansas City 3hrs Out. Tho KSB again had Trained “Recruiter
Find LOTS of “Circles” Per Say No LINES to Connect
Interesting Murder Victim Murphy Mussising From Knoxville Iowa Hospital GENERAL INFO ONLY 20 July 20 1984 Body Found Nov 1984 Rapid Decomp what gathered
Intrest Kansas City Butcher(KSB) actually Called Police and went to HOSPITAL as Victim BIT his Penis. No Charges FILED. Murphy was at or NEAR Knoxville Hospital before Missing. May be Ave to Connect “Dots” if ANY. KSB Operating IOWA 1984?
Saw Mulligan(Mark) Mention Paper Published Ticket to Harry 17 July 1984 HO Specifics. News Probally had LAG between Issue and Printing Such incigence.
Would be Sleiths LOTS Vids on KSB(Deceased)
KSB also had “Recruiter for VICTIMS. Doesnt Mention SO FAR his Recruitment Area(s)
MO Drinks and Drug Victims “Haul Away” Lots Digging by LE Co Op KS MS and Iowa.
Its There for LE to Check
Apparently Being “Gay” was NOT a Requirement of KSB Victims. But could have Increased % of Target.
Looking from the outside. I would investigate and question the husband and the Police again. This doesn’t seem right. I moved away from Iowa going on 34 years ago. To read about all of these unsolved cases really hurts that they are not solved. Please get some closure for all of these families. For my friend JoJo and his family too. RIP JoJo
A terrible story and all these people kept their mouth’s shut. But, then I would expect the authorities to conduct a death investigation, until a competent medical examiner determined there was no foul play in his death.
Then we have his son committ suicide because these gutless individuals stood by and never came forward
I would sue them, for obstruction of justice, aiding and abetting, and throw on pain and suffering. Hit them in the pocket books. That include the campground.
I agree!
They are hampering justice & should be charged & tried for it!
How you can not come forward when you have info about the murder of an innocent man is beyond me!
I wonder what events lead up to the incident in the truck?!
Praying for justice!!
Being COP Someone “JazziN” for Dope CAR may look like Big Baggie. Steal? Pre Planned or KNEW where or Who to FENCE. Strip Down takes KNOWN Time. Farm Country Obvious Many Corn Stalks Park Behind Per Say
Friends Avoiding? Originally at LEAST Spoke with LE? I Imagine Hammered so MANY TIMES “Tell Us what you Know” Domt want Anymore Unless Interrogated. Most Likely SEEMS would WANT to HELP. I imagine Small Town approached MANY
TIMES. May USE Approach MAKE STATEMENT ask Paper to Indicate shouldnt be
Bothered Anymore Unless New Evidence Shows Up to Implicate
The Car? Looks to NICE to DUMP Unless Heated Spur Moment Even then more $ Signs than Few $ Piker game.
Curious may ask to SEE Military Jacket Nip that in Bud
Clpse? Harry INDICATE Dug deal Issues? Other than SO and SI dies This or that?
Not INTO more Questions than ANSWERS
thx
Your Cop you have training and background to follow thru Ill LEAVE it ar that.
Being COP Someone “JazziN” for Dope CAR may look like Big Baggie. Steal? Pre Planned or KNEW where or Who to FENCE. Strip Down takes KNOWN Time. Farm Country Obvious Many Corn Stalks Park Behind Per Say
Friends Avoiding? Originally at LEAST Spoke with LE? I Imagine Hammered so MANY TIMES “Tell Us what you Know” Domt want Anymore Unless Interrogated. Most Likely SEEMS would WANT to HELP. I imagine Small Town approached MANY
TIMES. May USE Approach MAKE STATEMENT ask Paper to Indicate shouldnt be
Bothered Anymore Unless New Evidence Shows Up to Implicate
The Car? Looks to NICE to DUMP Unless Heated Spur Moment Even then more $ Signs than Few $ Piker game.
Curious may ask to SEE Military Jacket Nip that in Bud
Clpse? Harry INDICATE Dug deal Issues? Other than SO and SI dies This or that?
Not INTO more Questions than ANSWERS
Your Cop you have training and background to follow thru Ill LEAVE it ar that.
Former Military Police Investigative Supervisor Atmy Former PI Agency Manager Offices Miami New Orleans and Wash DC
What “Grabbed” My Attention……..Very Close to Brother. No Calls or Hangups Even time Diapperance?. Unlless Wanted to Disappear. Hang Ups could be Indication Wanted to Reach Out……No Contact may Indicate didnt want FAMILY in Trouble WOULD Seem have rto be BIG Issue this Many YEARS.
2nd What was MOS and Rank.
Military SOMETMES Don’t Willingly REVEAL actual “Duties” own Reasons UNLESS
Nudged. Shipped to Timbuck Too Per Say.
1984 Dog Tags were Big Issue Still. So if harry Found?(without) Indication Pre Planned
Someone knew had monies to “play”
Foul Play Car Obvious Bigger harder average person ri HIDE Spur Moment Most KNOW Lakes FAST. Pre Planned READ Cases not ONLY Grave Pre Dug but Car Burried especially FARM Country
Same Farmers in area Many YEARS ago but may REPORTED Farm Tractor Founf MOVED or Stolen
I Could Go On, Originally intended Simple Comment.
My You Tube is NOT MONOTISED nor LOOKING to.
You SEE Harry WEARING Regular? If HARRY Found should be ONSIGHT. Local Metal Detecting Ckub? Or Even National Up to Challenge?
If Found with Dog Tags. Indicate Possiable “Heat of Moment” Incident, Other words. Grab Money and Run.
Use to Operate FBI NCIC on CASES Stolen Property. Shoulf have been Entered.
Would ALSO say MANY People as Previous Comments indicate have RAN into Lakes Drinking or NOT. If Not Driven ino Such.
Again Dog Tags Missing Usually Worn. Possiable FOUL Play.
Money Flowing at Table Suspected Wow. Seems LOCAL LE wpold have mote INTENSE Investgation ar Time REPORTED
Some Cases “Perk” my Intrest from READING. Use to have PI License 7 States Civil and Criminal. No Longer.
Your information is not entirely correct. Lose enough that it doesn’t matter.. If only someone had any information, maybe they don’t feel its relevant but anything helps.
Our family is still in pain although we have tried to move on with our lives as she would have wanted. There is still a $30000 car reward to info leading to conviction. We have tried to keep our name out of the news for the younger members of family but contact sheriff. Thank You to whoever posted this, it is much kinder than the last person with all the false info.
I’m his youngest half brother I miss my big brother dearly I would give my life to bring him back if I could just to heal the pain that other family members have from losing him tears fall from my face time to time when I see his picture remembering all the great times we had as kids growing up together until he left us in 98′ I was only 8 and a half years old this leaves me post dramatically stressed for the rest of my life I pray to see my big brother again some day in heaven to the rest of the family I love you all I’m lost for words! 😭
In regards to checking the VIN on his vehicle, a Carfax report might show something. The other option is for a law enforcement agency to contact the National Insurance Crime Bureau. They might have more detailed information in their databases, that might shed some light on the vehicles history.
There is alot more information and comments on there recent face book page for Harry Milligan. Just if anyone has not had questions answered as some of them are answered there.
I wish there was more information available about this one. Story county is where Iowa State University is located and this infant was found right around the time that would have been spring break. You don’t have to drive very far outside of Ames to be in a rural area. It reminds of Unidentified Baby John Doe 1992 that was found during the holiday break near where the University of Iowa is.
I also wonder if they happen to have a DNA sample and if not was the infant buried or cremated. More unidentified infants should be run through familial DNA databases.
Come on there so much technology today why are they not working on these cold case I know his daughter stacy personally I was hanging around stacy at about the same time he went missing … Now mind you I know at least two of the people involved the 3rd person I’ve heard he’s really bad news I’m a person that believes in a eye for an eye I so hope they all get caught and they get what’s coming to them MAY U REST IN PEACE TERRY
All states have Safe Haven laws now, but none of them did in 1992. Iowa didn’t have its Safe Haven law until 2002 so it wasn’t an option for the mother in this situation, unfortunately.
She had other options like giving the baby up for adoption.
There is NO reason to Murder a baby but I’m sure you were not trying to make excuses for her.
So sad that a child had to loose his life because of a women’s selfishness!
I hope she hears his cry’s for the rest of her life!
Just recently the Cook County Sheriff’s Police identified the mother of two babies born at her residence in 2003. She had placed them in a bag to take to the hospital. Then she dumped them in a garbage can, where they were dead.
Most states have the Safe Haven laws, but how many of them don’t know about them. They are advertised when these situations occur, but if you don’t hear about them in certain media, then it is not an option.
Does anyone know if they ever ruled out her being the skeletal remains found in Des Moines in 1980? Seems like the timeframe and location is pretty close.
There was a safe Haven Law passed so that if a baby was taken to a hospital, church, etc. and left there the baby wouldn’t be considered abandoned. Why not give the child up for adoption? There is no reason for a baby to die if the parents don’t want the baby. Forget about all your theories about the mother, that is just plain stupid. Run the DNA and see where it leads this to.
There was a safe Haven Law passed so that if a baby was taken to a hospital, church, etc. and left there the baby wouldn’t be considered abandoned. Why not give the child up for adoption? There is no reason for a baby to die if the parents don’t want the baby.
car/body have been found, front windshiel missing, body in back seat, car not discovered in 2013 by the dive teams but visible on google earth satellite view. has there been any further reports put out from the medical examiner about cause of death? i can’t find any search results on that.### was he trying to get out of the car and broke the window then fell into the back seat? was he not alone, passed out in the back seat and someone else was driving and broke the window out to escape after driving into the pond? was he unconscious in the car and it was driven into the pond by someone else? Has anything been discovered about “HOW” the car got into the pond in that location based on where the party was on the property?
His car and remains were just discovered 3 months ago. As far as I know they have not released a cause of death yet. I check every so often so and haven’t in the last few weeks so that very well could have changed.
I’m curious to know, but I’ve seen similar cases where we never hear anything probably because it was determined to be a suicide and the family decides to remain silent about it. I don’t think we’ll hear much unless there was foul play.
he came from a party so he may of been intoxicated enough to make him not aware of his surroundings. notice i said may of been i dont need these web sleuths thinking im starting anything by saying that.
Sgt. Mark Milligan: After reading your entire post & seeing that you have uncovered a “Vehicle Ticket” of your brother’s Harry’s car 17 days after his disappearance, tells me that someone had his car, probably even his ID, maybe his wallet. If you had known about the ticket early on, I’m sure the Officer could’ve contributed more. As far as some of his buddy’s not speaking to you, speaks volumes. Those are the ones who need to be pulled in & questioned! As far as the rumors, made up stories, etc., welcome to the world of murdered loved ones with worthless weirdos trying to insert themselves into cases. Someone had your brothers vehicle, possibly even his body & was caught with the headlamps not turned on & got pulled over. Is there a data base where you can put in the VIN # to that car from the old Title or registration papers?
Looks later that he was pulled over around 9pm that night and may have gotten thr tickect then. It takes the 2 or 3 weeks for it to hit the newspaper is where they got the later date and not the ticket. Could still have been the same night as never found the ticket for time of day.
I won’t say that I knew Lee Andre, but I ran into him from time to time. I used to encounter him regularly at the grocery store, he would be using a scooter and have his dog with him, and would engage people in lengthy conversations about all manner of topics, from which it was very difficult to extricate oneself.
I assumed he was a harmless old guy, probably lonely, with plenty of life experiences to share. And perhaps he was harmless, but discovering the story of Alice Van Alstine was an eye-opener. I used to imagine the next time I would run into him, I would ask if he wanted to get together to talk about his life, and see if the conversation would land on this topic.
Harry, nice of you to join the investigation. Maybe you get a few other retired LAPD detectives to assist on this case
Maybe Chief Irving is available.
I also had occasion to talk with Lee numerous times over the years. Hours of conversation. You description of him is spot on. The dog you mentioned was named Princess Patti. It was very tough to ascertain where the truth ended and the fantasy began with Lee’s stories. He did, on a couple of occasions, tell me that Alice had been “an FBI informant” who had run off with her handler, and was still alive under an assumed name. Of course, I don’t believe that. My suspicion is that Lee took Alice that night, either over child custody, her having been interviewed by law enforcement, or both. As for what Lee did with her, I doubt we’ll ever know. What I found very interesting, is the fantasy Lee built around Alice’s disappearance. In my experience, only guilty people concoct such stories.
Otis, I tend to agree with you regarding those who concoct such stories. The “she ran off with another man” narrative is a timeworn pretense. We’ve got several of them on this website.
I also agree that he took his secret to the grave. Victims’ family members — the ones who usually know who killed their loved one — always hope and pray the offender will make a deathbed confession, and that’s rarely the case. I’ve yet to see that happen with any of our cases where everyone knew who was responsible. Thanks so much for the alert on Andre’s death.
I would be interested to hear more information about what happened to Eugene Behrend of Millville. He died of a single gunshot wound to the chest in 1994 and going through Clayton County Register Archives, it appears there were suits between immediate family members that talked about threatening each other and other harmful behavior. It had been rumored in the area that a close family member (or person hired by a family member) had shot him over some sort of disagreement, which by the looks of it may have been related to land or a family farm. A grand jury met in 1995 and did not indict anyone on the murder charge.
Crpd did not do their job… I witnessed this shooting and still have ptsd and have NEVER been interviewed despite my effort to talk to the police the day it happened.
Here is an undated article, probably from the Omaha World Herald, that I found being used as a bookmark while browsing through a 1902 printing of an 1898 copyrighted book entitled “The Traction Engine” by James. H. Maggard, revised and enlarged by an expert engineer:
BODY IN RAIL CAR HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED
Council Bluffs Bureau
Authorities have learned the identity of a man whose body was found in a railroad car in Carter Lake in June.
The dead man was Humberto Cortez, 31, a Mexican transient, according to Bob Henderson, the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation agent in charge.
Henderson said Tuesday that the identification was made by the California Justice Department, one of the many agencies that was sent fingerprints taken from the body.
“He had a rather extensive criminal record and had been returned to Mexico by our authorities more than once — the last time being last March,” Henderson said.
He said the man’s record included minor crimes such as trespassing and petty theft. There were no arrests on drug or alcohol charges, Henderson said.
The body was found June 21 in an open steel-carrying rail car in the Pasxton & Vierling Steel Co. yard.
I’m on board with the theory that he had an accident and since he had been drinking he got spooked and abandoned the vehicle in order to try to avoid a drunk driving charge. If he died of hyperthermia within a 4 to 5 mile radius of the vehicle you’d think he would have been found. Chances are he had warm clothes and experience with surviving in the cold, so maybe he was prepared for the walk home. Since he was already 2 miles outside of Scarville it was only around a 6 mile walk to Lake Mills.
I’m pretty sure bar closing times were 2 am in Iowa back in 1993, so maybe it’s possible someone else from the bar driving home saw him and picked him up and something happened after that. I’m leaning more towards the possibility that he was hit and killed by a vehicle while attempting to walk home and the person covered it up and never came forward.
I wonder if the police ever recovered any fingerprints from the crime scene. It would be interesting to check the case report and see if they found prints.
The offender most likely is deceased. But, if he committed other crimes, his prints might be in the system. Also, his place is sort off the beaten track in a way, but on a U.S Highwsy.
It would be a long shot. Also, there is mo mention of the caliber of the firearm that he was shot with. I assume the offenders weapon, was most likely a revolver, since there is no mention of a shell casing.
I know a lot of people focus on Lyric’s mother and father because of their drug history, but some people were focused more on where the girls were found: Seven Bridges Wildlife Area. It’s a niche sort of area that only has locals going to it for hunting, fishing, and seasonal morel mushroom hunting. It’s not the kind of place that many people even know about. Morel Mushroom season ends around the end of May. The girls went missing on July 13. Hardly anyone would be walking around that area much until the start of the deer hunting season. When does deer hunting usually start? December 5th. What day were the girls found? December 5th. Either it was someone who was naive to the idea that hunters would be in the area and would probably find the girls or it was someone who knew and wanted the girls to be found during hunting season.
I came across a posting on Redditt, in regards to Joyce’s murder. It appears the grandson of the individual, who supposedly found her about 3,000 yards from their family home.
This individual was seeking more information on her case. If anyone is on that site can ask him or her that her case is posted on Iowa Cold Cases. I don’t think he or she can add more information. But they could mention what they heard from their family member.
Nothing like following up on my comments of sorts. But, I checked a road atlas see where Grimes, Iowa was. It caught my eye that it was near Camp Dodge.
I seem to remember either a case or comment on a case related to Camp Dodge. So, if anyone can remember please share it.
I still come back to the bonds, as a possible motive for her disappearance. Someone locally knew about the bonds and most likely kidnapped her to get access to the money. Then she was of no use, so kill her and dump the body in the reservoir, that was still under construction.
So, there is someone she might have confided in, that all of a sudden left the area. They might have moved to another part of the state , country and said that they came into some money.
Possibly through an inheritance.
A number of years ago, an Aldrich Ames, who worked the Russian Section of the CIA, gave them all the names of the sources in Russia.
Mr. Ames, was living beyond his means for years and the CIA somehow never noticed. Until a Russian defector provided his name. Then all of a sudden the CIA, did some checking and was surprised.
I think his brother is probably on to the reasons he went missing however is it possible nothing nefarious happened and he accidently drove into a lake and submerged? Looking at the route to his house I see a small pond on a curve near 165th St and 67 2nd Ave. Is the pond deep enough to hide a car?
Whatever happened to Pastor Kelly! My mother was raised in Villisca and her brother-i-law was a private detective from the railroad on the case. My mother is no longer living nor any of her family that I can inquire with.
I heard that dogs had tracked the murderer to the river and lost the scent!
looking for information on a cold case involving the name Hollingsworth. Supposedly the neighbor was a suspect. Happened a long time ago, the people would be over 100 years old today.
This is a very strange case. I believe that “Munchausen Syndrome” was passed down rather than Helen killing her siblings. Or she was traumatized by her siblings natural deaths. But that many doesn’t seem natural to me. And it doesn’t seem like the grandmother raised any alarm bells for her grandchildren’s deaths. So tragic and evil. Just think. Helen’s daughters would be in their 40’s now. One would have been turning 51 in a few days. So strange all the girls died, But one son survived.
I remember when this happened as I worked in Albia at the time. I often wondered about water. I have recently been binge watching a YouTube channel called Adventures With Purpose. I am not tech savvy, but I wonder if someone here can bring this to their attention? They specialize in underwater vehicle recovery, and recently brought up the car and remains of Ethan K. in Hampton, Iowa, bringing some resolution to a tragic case that had remained unsolved for decades. If there is any reason to believe the car is in water, we need to talk with them. They refer to “open source investigations” where we can share ideas, but I am not sure what that means or where to find it. I am asking if anyone here can help hook AWP up with this case if you believe it is a possibility Harry may be in the water somewhere. Thank you. I am so sorry for the loss this family has had to deal with.
Carol, that is a great idea, since the car is missing also. Their are a large number of missing person cases where the vehicle they owned or were driving is missing. Also, a number of these cases have been resolved by finding the vehicle in a body of water.
About a year or two ago, a surveyor was looking at a Google Earth image of an area of Florida. On the image he saw what CV looked like a yellow in color vehicle in a man made Lake. Ne notified authorities and they recovered the car and closed a missing persons case.
I think a simple answer would be a drunk driving accident?,how messed up was he that night?,did he simply drive into a lake or pond and drown?,maybe that’s why nobody knows anything? new to this site and just throwing it out there,I mean c’mon someone should have talked by now?
19 Years later Douglas brother Joshua Meth has turned up dead. They have ruled a sueside . Nothing adds ups. None of the paper matches and this is my second who has died in this town. I have reason to believe that there is more. No one would let me see Josh’s body.
The Auction company should be a place to really scope out. I used to date the owner’s son who is in prison now, and would work for his Dad when we dated to help set up auctions and help them run and pack up. At that point in time, I was a drug addict and all the help he hired to help at auctions were troubled people that were paid under the table. I also live in Stuart and have of course heard the gossip and the names people suspected. Since gossip is always a mixed bag of credible and not credible, you listen but don’t believe everything you hear. But all the names mentioned around town were people that had worked for the auction house, and their acquaintances. I hope they find Kay, and the killer/killers and give the family a small measure of justice.
After reading the article and comments, the only thing that stood out was ” he didn’t take his dog with him, because his dog would probably have ended up shot too, because that dog wouldn’t let nothing happen to him.” Hathaway basically let the cat out of the bag with that comment. He’s the one doing all the talking, was a good friend of Kenny, and was going to a trade school to become a motorcycle mechanic. In 3 very short weeks after going to AZ, he gets a call that Kenny is missing. Hathaway is very quick to point the finger at different people and accuse of knowing what happened: Mikey Bush, his ex-wife and Hammerhead. For being a good friend of Kenny, I would think he’d have more to say about him versus everyone else he seems to know everything about. If it weren’t for Hathaway talking, there would be no article as shown above. Occum’s razor.
Were there any water searches done at the time? Searching around the various Missouri River boat ramps in Sioux City for her Honda Accord would probably be a good start. Google Maps shows one less than 12 minutes away from the home, but there are others. She might have left earlier than her husband thinks. Considering she left without her purse, she might have planned to end her life by driving into the river. She may have driven down a boat ramp while it was still dark out, turned off the car lights, and drove into the water without being noticed. This would be a good one for the Adventures with Purpose guys to check out. I know they did some work in the Missouri River before.
Andrew, it appears a search was done at the.boat ramp. However, there might be other ways a vehicle could have entered the river or another body of water. However, the fact that her SS Death Index, is the day before she disappeared is odd. It could be a typo by whoever’s entered it.
The mention of an unknown medical condition also plays a part in her disappearance. We don’t know if she had any mental health issues.
Also, we have the young man, who sees the ghost of a older woman in the kitchen, is weird. I guess the family has learned to love with her.
A friend of mine had a similar thing happen in her family. It turned out her grandma received a brain cancer diagnosis a couple of days prior to her disappearance. She was found in a lake near her childhood home and no notes were left. Maybe it’s possible that Helen had some sort of medical condition that worsened and she decided to not let it win.
A lot of times these underwater searches that were done previously weren’t successful because the technology wasn’t as good. Very similar to how old DNA testing techniques weren’t as good. It would be good to check again.
If her husband last saw her the day before she disappeared may be why they use that date. He was only assuming she left around 7 or 8 a.m. But if he last laid eyes on her when they went to bed. Would have been the day before she was discovered missing.
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However, the $100,000 Reward which has been renewed annually every September at the anniversary of Ethan missing, and extended yearly beyond its original 2015 effective date, is suddenly no longer available from the anonymous donors claiming the reward expired in 2015 even though it has been confirmed by multiple News Stations as late as September 2020 that the reward was still in effect.
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Donations and rewards are how we are able to fund our operations in helping families such as Ethan’s.
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HAMPTON, Iowa —
The Hampton Police Department wants to remind Iowans that it has been nearly seven years since Ethan Kazmerzak went missing, and a reward for his safe return still stands.
Kazmerzak would now be 29 years old. He went missing sometime in the early morning hours on Sept. 15, 2013.
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Police said at the time Ethan went missing, he had dark blond hair, had a beard, wears glasses, and has a Grateful Dead tattoo on his upper left arm. He was last seen wearing peach/orange colored shorts and a white/teal printed shirt. He was driving a silver 2006 Volkswagen Jetta TDI with Iowa license plate AUZ382. The car and Ethan still are missing.
There is still a $100,000 reward offered for any relevant and useful information that leads to the current location and/or safe return of Ethan Kazmerzak. Police said the reward has been pooled together by a group of anonymous donors.
Anyone with information is asked to call North Iowa Crime Stoppers at 1-800-383-0088or the Hampton Police Department at 1-641-456-2529.
That must of been The chief Bob Schaffer HPD. His untruthfullness should be questioned . Look into things that disappear under his management for other court cases if someone digs you’ll find things m
Interestingly detectives are hoping advances in DNA technology will solve her case. They think there’s a small amount of degraded DNA from her killer under her fingernails. However, they’re concerned this will be the last opportunity as they fear it’ll be used up if they do it now.
The Scene of the Crime podcast, S2 EP 3 ‘The Investigation Continues’ is out now diving further into the murders of Roger & Rose! This episode covers the extensive investigation that extended into multiple states as detectives tracked down everyone at the hotel that night. We look at a mysterious phone call that came in for the room registered to “Burkert.” Investigators begin to retrace Roger and Rose’s steps in the days leading up to the murders.
Some articles are saying they believe it to be his car and some flat out say that it is his car that was found. No word yet if there are remains inside of it, but I imagine the chances are pretty high.
I found out about that YouTube channel a few weeks ago. They are doing a great job and completely exposing law enforcement’s lack of initiative in a lot of cases. Glad to see they came to Iowa and helped out with this case. There are a number of cases in Iowa that I feel could be solved in this way. Helen Kelly’s is one of them.
People are sharing Google Maps images where you can actually see the vehicle from the satellite photos in the pond. I’m sure if it’s legit, but it’s the right area.
I searched on my iPhone maps app. I located the ponds near that location and sure enough I could see what appeared to be a large object in the water. I marked the location and indeed was the spot. Wow…..happy the family found him. Praying they find answers to what happened.
According to the press conference by the police, the car was found on a property at the corner of 190th Street and Nettle Avenue. If you go to that location on Google maps, it’s the property on the Northeast corner of that intersection. On that northeast corner of that property is the lake. Toward the South east corner of that lake you can see a mound. That’s about the area where they set up to pull out the car. You can compare it to the areal photos of the recovery and the drone video from Adventures with Purpose.
It would be interesting if this is the same pond, he was last seen. He would have been right under everyone’s nose. However, there have been a number of missing people who have been found in their vehicles in various bodies of water around the country.
The problem is the cost of using side scanning sonar, or dive teams to search all the bodies of water. If we were able to repurpose the various tools we used to search for submarines would be useful.
I served on a submarine, and know what we had as search tools.
Here are some random questions I have on this case.
1. Were there any bonuses or commissions Marketing Coordinators at Mediacom could receive at the time? I’ve seen situations where someone was killed because another person in the company felt like they stole their commission.
2. How many friends did he have in Iowa? Were they mostly work friends?
3. Was he seeing anyone romantically or any evidence that he was? If so, maybe someone else was unhappy about that.
4. What was his personality like? Was he the type of guy who picked on people in high school? The pictures make him look like a stereotypical “bro” at the time. I’m wondering if he could have just maybe bothered the wrong person.
5. Did he have an active social life? Was he going out to bars and clubs in Des Moines?
6. What club did he work at in Las Vegas? What was his reason for leaving that job and moving to Minneapolis? What did he do in Minneapolis? How did he get the Mediacom position in Iowa? Did he move because of the job or did he move first and then find work? I’m just wondering if he burned some bridges along the way.
I am a retired police officer and SVU detective, investigating a cold case homicide in Nashville, Tennessee, from 1969. I am following all leads in my case and have a person-of-interest in-common with my case and Janice’s case. I am not able to release the suspect’s name, but he was in Des Moines at the time of Janice’s disappearance.
I am seeking information on Janice, and would like to talk to anyone willing to talk to me.
I honestly read Trifles before i read the article. It was more gruesome than i had anticipated in regards to how Hossack and his analog were murdered. Both are awful ways to die but the way trifles was written had an air of suspense to it.
S2 EP2 of Scene of the Crime is out now. In ‘Crime Scene Investigation’ we take a look at the hotel room crime scene, and the evidence that was found in Room 260. We address some theories of how the killer, or killers, accessed the room, and retrace the steps of the investigators as they notify Roger and Rose’s next of kin.
Lisa, thanks for the information on his family. I would assume that maybe his being crazy, might have been related to his military service. If it is correct that he served in the Marines during WW Ii, he definitely was exposed to combat.
Many men who served in combat suffered what used to be called combat fatigue. Also, they refer to many Marines, who served on some of the islands of having the thousand yard stare.
My late father spent 18 months in combat, was wounded once, knocked unconscious at least three times fighting in Italy and Southern France.
He got a disability for his mental injuries. He later volunteered at the VA, along with my mother. I volunteered at the same VA which led to a job.
It was the same VA he spent time for cancer in the late 1950’s.
The John Johnson that you have pictured was crazy for many years he had many children he was made to my aunt rose Thomas. His children’s names were Johnny Johnson Chrissy Johnson Roseanne Johnson David Johnson and Jerome Johnson. He and rose also had a little girl named Christina before all of those kids. Rosen John joined the pentacostal church and they did not believe in doctors so they let four-year-old Christina die. I think all of the remaining children turned out to use drugs such as LSD and heroin.They constantly commit crimes got arrested moved and changed sexual partners weekly. John and rose raised their children in such a filthy trash filled house that it should have been condemned. Rose had one sister that would still be young enough to answer your questions. Her name is TrudyThomas she married David Goodman who killed himself and I don’t know who she married after that Rose has one more sister still alive named Bonnie Viola Garland who lives in Altoona Iowa. I cannot leave any information if you want me to be respectful because Johnnie Johnson was not a respectful person however he did have The Bible memorised backwards and forwards. John and Rose never worked. They were the opitame of lazy, crazy.
My family may not be perfect in anyways but they were not on lsd and herion and changing partners every week Shame on your bashing on my family and my missing grandfather. Don’t state what u think for the truth! God have mercy on your souls! The cruelty and hurtful mess they you are leaving in our families memories destroying them as people parents Christian if u have nothing nice to say just be Quiet! They didn’t kill their child! How is this positive to the case?
First off know your facts before you bash people, secondly who the hell are you cause you definitely are not close family to Rose or John Because I have no clue who you are. They both worked at one point , and they did use doctors at one point but you would know this is you truly was family ( I mean someone that was around or that matter in our families life) John had issues from the war. His children did not do herion or lsd, they didnt change partners every week. The fact That you tell this horrible set of lies tells me you are a bitter old lady that has nothing better to do then bash dead people. you need to stop telling lies for the truth.
Maybe you should speak on what you know cause you clearly didn’t know my grandma or my grandpa. And for you to speak on a missing/dead person is disgusting.
I remember this night and have followed the case through the years. He wasn’t much younger than me. My ex called me that night he was a truck driver, he wanted to know what was going on why the interstate was blocked off and they weren’t moving; obviously at the time I couldn’t give him info because they hadn’t even put anything out on the news . I don’t want to speculate about anything I’ve just always thought the girlfriend had to have known more. I feel for his parents to this day and I hope they get closure. It can’t bring him back, but some one paying for what they did would be some closure. I pray for you and that some one will come forward with more information. People are still out here thinking about that night and about your family. Don’t ever give up.
Matthew, I was unaware that your father passed earlier this year, and am so very sorry for your loss. Your dad was so passionate about seeing Kim’s case solved, and it breaks my heart that he’s not here to see what is happening. Please give my best to Paula and your brother Jeff, and I wish all of you strength as more of this story unfolds. Take care, and God bless. Jody at ICC
You are absolutely correct, Cabe. I got the names confused and for that I am offering my humblest apologies to Matt. I often get stories confused when many pronouns are used. Compound that with the fact there are two “Matt’s ” involved and you can imagine how my error rate can increase.
As to Matt’s other message involving “Jim Ratliff’s” arrest, I posted that to see if there was any relation (which there was not) and because a “Jim Ratcliffe” posted comments angering Matt. Jacque in French is our English pronunciation of Jim and I couldn’t understand why Matt’s father would have been arrested??? I promise to be more vigilant with my future commenting.
Finally THANK YOU to Jody for this site and which I believe were/are instrumental in forcing this case to its hopeful conclusion. Well done.
Jim, thank you for your thoughtful comment, and I also must apologize for some of the confusion here. This case summary has grown over the years (though is still a very condensed version), and now, with the arrests of Matt Kennedy and then Les Kennedy (and those who may have been unaware of the “two Matts”), I can certainly understand how the pronouns could get confusing.
I’ve gone back through and tried to clarify any misconceptions by adding more first names. Still, even with an arrest in this case (it was one of the top two cases on this website that I felt could have been solved/prosecuted years ago) I don’t yet feel any sense of relief or closure. There are just so many victims tied to this one case, including both Matts. (Yes, the accused can also be a victim.) So many lives ruined. Forever altered. Lives that continued to be scarred after Kim’s murder.
“Jake” asked in April 2019 why we couldn’t just post the “who, what, when, where and why?” on here, but we cannot do that even when we know the answers. It compromises cases, and there’s always the possibility that the info we received simply isn’t true. Jake was correct, however, when he said maybe we (ICC) had the resources to get in touch with someone who could help solve this case. I may have passed along info to investigators, but will never take credit for solving this (or any other) case b/c LE officials almost always know who is responsible and they’re the ones knocking on doors and questioning suspects and submitting the DNA and spending years and/or decades piecing together every puzzle piece. And, what they always say remains timelessly true: “Knowing who did it and being able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law are two very different things.”
They only get that one shot at charging a suspect, so, despite “everybody knowing who did it,” they are wise to wait until they have solid proof. Until that happens, I just try to ensure the victim’s story is told and kept alive so they’re not forgotten, and to remind the public it’s never too late to share any kind of knowledge about the case with the investigating agency. There’s often more — as the late radio pioneer Paul Harvey used to say — to “the rest of the story.”
Im sorry for getting angry with you but i took it hard my sister and my kids mean everything to me this has bean realy hard right now im trying to get my kids back i lost my wife to cancer in September of 2020 things have bean rough
im in this fight alone anymore but all i can do is keep my promise and just keep fighting for my kids and the truth
Matthew, you had every right to be angry then and be angry now. The people you have loved most were unlawfully taken away from you, and I’m sure you know how much time I spent talking to your dad on the phone about Kim’s case in particular. He sent me scanned colored photos of your children (your daughter has such a beautiful smile!), and he died still fighting to get your kids back to you. Both you and I know there’s so much that’s not been addressed on this (Kim’s) page, but we know how and why and where Les did what he did, and we know the names of those who enabled him.
Your father sent me so many newspaper articles about Kim’s murder (the ones from the early days and years, which I’ve not yet posted here on her page), and I’ve lost track how many times Les Kennedy contradicted himself as he coveted more and more media attention all whilst spilling out and spinning more and more lies. Every time I read the words of what he told Aaron Brilbeck, about this alleged “intervention” with Kim, I want to vomit. We know what he did in the No Frills parking lot time and again (before Kim’s death), and know what went on inside that Tostevin St. House of Hell.
I’m so very sorry for your recent losses as well…your father in January (Jacques “Jack” Ratliff for those reading this comment), and then your wife in September. And, inexcusably, your children taken against your will (through lies) by a rapist/madman who fed drugs to his children & stepchildren the same way he fed lies/twisted information to lawyers and judges. I still can’t grasp how he got away with it for sooooo long.
Keep fighting the good fight. It is yours to win. (And I think you know I applauded Jim for having the courage to step up and apologize to you because he’d been confused about the names.) Good men (people in general) apologize when they’re wrong.
As for “actions,” I doubt any of us will ever see the day when L.K. (or your bio mother, for that matter) apologizes for the monstrous atrocities committed upon untold children inside that Council Bluffs home.
I would stake my life on it that her sto dad and other step brother had something to do with it I believe her mom knows something and isn’t saying anything kimwas my friend when we was kids and I remember how scared she was of her step dad and step brothers ..they need to dig deeper and they will find out the truth rest in pest my dear friend Matt and Jeff hope u guys get justice for kimmy
Karen,
You are my beautiful, funny, loving big cousin. You have never been forgotten by your very large family back here in MA. We miss you today and have for every day since that horrible moment when we learned that you had disappeared. Your parents were never the same – and your three loving little sisters missed the big sister they adored.
PLEASE, someone, find a way to solve this crime. This has been our prayer for almost 50 years.
Diane, I too have often thought of Karen and her tragic untimely death. I lived directly behind her in Foxboro and my older brother was quite close to Karen. I can’t help but wonder why with all the DNA advances that they have not tested the samples they have. We are now 53 years down the road and her parents were never given an answer in their lifetime. The family deserves all the resources available to solve this case as does Karen. Karen will never be forgotten by our family! She was a beautiful and trusting soul.
I wonder what took him to Fairfield, Montana. That’s one of those really small cities in the middle of nowhere in Montana where you’re really away from it all. Less than an hour drive from where Ted Kaczynski the Unabomber was living. A good place to go if you were running from something.
Actually Fairfield Mt, is in a somewhat populated area of Montana. Which would happen to be my hometown.PoP 700. An on top of it. Matt kennedy had a job in a different dept. than me, where I worked in Great Falls. An because of it, other co-workers and I conversed with him. An also had one co-worker tell me about what Matt had told him in previous conversations. One of which, where matt told the co-worker, that his father (les) had shot him. Cause he hadn’t done a chore fast enough. An also, showed the scar from the wound that was inflicted. However, matt was rather odd, and behaved weirdly at times. Obviously, he wasn’t right. an also was dyslexic. or very educated. An not too mention. He resembled the aqua teen hunger force character, Happy Time Harry. So we refered to him as happy time. Also, after I left that job, I ran across-d him in public in Fairfield. An I’d say something to him. An he’d just give me this wide open eyed, and open mouth look and not say anything. Will be interesting to see how his trial goes
@tobin caldwell, Hey man, I’ve been looking for you all over! You told me you’d call me after leaving the gay stripe club once we did “stuff”. We had a really good time and were planning on having a round 2, but I lost your number at some point. Please call me! I don’t care if you have a wife or a girlfriend, I think I might be in love with you man. XOXO Love, Gary
Awww, it’s so flattering that you think I own a stripe club and remember the time we had together. But nope, it’s you I’m talking about. I could never forget your name, especially since it’s tattooed over my heart.
Mike, Thank you so much for commenting, I think the police finally have a lead on my stolen car. Based on the name on your drivers license you dropped in my driveway before boosting my car and running out of town, the police are pretty sure it’s you on here. It’s only a matter of time Mike you D.
There is a brand new in depth podcast about this case out right now. You’ll hear from friends and family of the victims, investigators, and hotel staff at the scene
Looking for information about Carol Donnelly, killed in Des Moines late 1979, body discovered early 1980. This case once appeared on your site. Has it been solved?
Do you know who your half twin sisters are from your father’s fiancee Gloria?? Just curious if you would want to know that information?? I am so very sorry that this case has never been solved. It sounds like you have experienced a lot of heartbreak in your life. Prayers for you as you continue this journey.
I’m curious as to how much planning went into this Florida trip. Was it planned well in advance or was it on the spur of the moment? What as the reason to go? Just to see her family or was there more to it? What arrangments were made for her children in Iowa? Do we know what day she originally left Iowa and what day she first see family in Florida? When she was last seen on September 6, 1983 was she leaving for Iowa soon?
Maybe the person she was traveling with was the one who had specific things to do in Flordia and Viola found out and asked if she could come because she had family in the area she would like to see.
Running the family DNA to familial matches to known offenders in CODIS may produce a male offender match (any of her former relations who may have been the kids father). This match if any may produce a suspect or potential names of friends and associates of the mother and her traveling companion.
I know the obvious first thought is that the wife must have been having an affair. The theory that she was busted by Tom while she was naked and in the act with the other man.
My thought is that she was naked when she went to the other farmhouse because she did run right away. If Tom was killed while she was there she probably would have taken the time to get dressed. She would have been able to tell the same story about the naked intruder without her being naked as well and would have looked a lot less suspicious.
I can believe that she wasn’t there when he was shot, but I don’t beleive her story about what lead up to it. I’m sure she knows exactly who did it. Chances are that Tom knew him too.
Well the girlfriend obviously knows something. She is either directly involved or covering for someone. How many friends were there that night? Female? Male? Were they questioned? Something is missing from the above information because it is too black and white.
It looks like Robin Clark Latham is currently incarcerated in Iowa because of a probation violation in March of 2020.
It’s a shame that things were handled so improperly during the investigation and by the mortician. Maybe I missed it, but what was the official cause of death? The blunt force trauma to the head or did she drown in the water?
I am very sorry First and foremost to The Children and loved ones of Denease Latham. I am also sorry for my use of wording but to be honest :Why isn’t this Mother of 3 had justice yet? it is so very obvious that not only was she murdered but her death is a cover up. Why wasn’t the mortician ever questioned and convicted with the husband? The evidence is so overwhelming. Just plainly sad…
I joined the Justice for Josh group on FB but there isn’t anyone sharing any theories about what happened. I would like to know what the family thinks happened. Looking around some of the posts and comments I saw that people think he was killed and buried just like Christopher Bagley because of links Joshua has to some of the people involved in that case. The family wants someone to talk, but they won’t talk either, at least not publically.
It seems like the Justice For Josh Facebook page is more therapy for the family than anything. I’m not sure the family wants to discuss theories in public. Just a little basic web-sleuthing and background checks about Josh lets you see that he had some problems dating all the way back to high school age and he did serve time in person a couple times. I’m not saying Josh was a bad person, but he was involved in bad things. One thing I noticed years ago is that Bagley and Josh had some of the same friends out of Palo. A lot of these same friends have meth convictions in the past.
I have watched CSI, NCIS, Criminal Minds, etc & started wondering. What if his car was still operational & there was a 2 or more team that attacked him, could they take him & his car outa state somewhere, sell his car on the black market or chop shop & then take him somewhere after that. That would be why his car’s not found yet in the waters where he was. If so, have the detectives tried combing the filling stations & restaurants the next towns over from where he was last seen. Maybe he broke down & a trucker picked him up & someone else stole his car & drove off. Maybe he’s in witness protection somewhere, wonder if the detectives checked there. I hope he’s found soon & GOD be with his family & friends.
Gwen
I was friends with Greg since grade school and always liked him. I pray for him and his family that he is found so his family will get some relief. Jehovah, please help his family, I know he will be resurrected (John 5: 28, 29). God will bring him back and he will have another chance to live a good life. Then Jehovah will judge all of us.
I bet Mike ozwald did it. His brother Brian ozwald ran out front door pointing at Mike saying he did he is the one that shot Randy. Rip dad I bet it’s because waterloo police should not allow confidential informants get away with anything literally let Mike go Christmas day without even a gun powder residue test. Some friend you were to my dad. Wait till it comes the day you answer to heavily father. Should the police be held partially responsible I don’t think Mike would have done it not knowing someone downtown to help him. Jeff tyler waterloo police investigator wouldn’t take my version of that day. How does one get away with that with capital murder. I bet he would shit if someone from a higher rank took his job as pointless and a waste or taxpayers money. All bums
Dr.OZ: I watched a man (Detective) share details about a 30+ year old Cold Case (double homicide, male & female) in a room, which had previously been “reserved” for a Mortician & canceled at the last moment.
I listened for him to describe the investigation of that Mortician and never heard anything about that. My intuition is the murder was intended for him & clandestine associate.
If interested contact me & I had more imagined details
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A possible theory could be that the mother was a University of Iowa student that was hiding her pregnancy and had an easier time doing it because she was from another state. That would probably mean her family didn’t see her since August. She could have given birth, abandoned the baby, and went home for the holidays. I hope they have some DNA. With this theory, the mother would be between the ages of 45 and 50 now. He would be turning 28 this year.
I agree that it was definitely the ax that killed him. What a horrible way to die considering the circumstances. In your opinion, did he really deserved to die? Could this situation be handed differently? Just a few thoughts that crossed my mind as I was reading the story.
I was reading the Cold Case Files on your
brother Harry and I read your letter, I hope
and pray you will find him. The people that
know what happened have kept silent this
long so they will never tell it’s up to someone
else or to the police to find him.
I will keep Harry and you in my prayers.
God bless you both.
Was it ever mentioned how the local man whose truck was seen at the house came upon a good amount of money shortly after? Was he ever ruled out, or as a suspect?
I wanted to say one more thing it’s your birthday you got a granddaughter about the one your son is about to be home and Darius was promoted but 2020 has been okay but a horrible year in the making just continue to keep us safe… no matter the things I’ve done for the places I go or have been you’ve always been number one no matter what people have to say thank you for two of my biggest blessing love always
Hey it’s me again I wanted to wish you a happy birthday until you seasoning sir David will be home soon his daughter your granddaughter is about to be one and your son Darius was promoted to a sergeant thank you for blessing them and watching over them we miss you will always miss you until we meet again
It is encouraging to see the comments and how many people are interested in seeing this mystery resolved. Has any DNA testing been done? Is evidence still being stored that could be tested and evaluated? I know there are more current cases and obviously, detectives are spending their valuable time on those. But Ed Schmidt’s case is still waiting….. waiting for justice. It is 2020 and time is running out.
I am confused about a thing: Jaymie was found in the bathtub, but, no one ever says whether there was water in the tub.
The unique pattern of burns on her front side may be because she was floating in water and only got burned where her skin was above the water line?
At any rate, It seems pretty obvious that Ms. Reed has some explaining to do regarding the months leading up to the fire and the bizarre collection of pathologies found during Jaymie’s autopsy. The girl would have been greatly suffering having ALL of those things wrong with her at the same time! How does that even happen? She had E-coli poisoning (which is typically transmitted through ingestion of feces from an infected animal or person which was then transferred to a food item). She had cirrhosis, pneumonia, and anoxic encephalopathy.
Regarding anoxic encephalopathy: “Anoxic encephalopathy, or hypoxic-ischemic brain injury, is a process that begins with the cessation of cerebral blood flow to brain tissue, which most commonly results from poisoning (for example carbon monoxide or drug overdose), vascular injury or insult, or cardiac arrest.”
Jaymie was being abused or, at the very LEAST, she was neglected. I am wondering if Vicki Reed suffers from Munchausen by Proxy – she was poisoning, or making Jamie sick in an attempt to gain attention for herself as the loving parent.
I think Jaymie became critically ill (or as Jody theorizes was scalded) and rather than seek medical attention, Vicki decided to setup the house fire in the hopes that Jaymie would be burned to death and Vicki’s crimes would be gone with her.
So a classmate of Jeffrey supposefly saw him alive at the apartment of Judy Davis. She lived at the Seneca Apartments. So, the question is, did he have a relationship with her or just hanging out with a co- worker.
Also, where was the Seneca Apartments in relation to the Jefferson Apartments. Also, what did she do at the hospital.
Hi Patrick, who was the classmate? Also do you know the who this Judy Davis is? I have tried to search for her without any luck. This was a horrible tragedy, the unsolved murder is always in the back of your mind wondering who and why?
“Regarding the death of Jeff Deaver, I last saw him at the Jefferson Apartments in the apartment of Judy Davis. Judy was my co-worker. My boyfriend (now ex-husband) at the time used to purchase illegal drugs from Judy. One day Judy told me that Jeff screwed her and/or some delivery and her boyfriend was very angry and Jeff better stay our of sight. The next day I heard that Jeff was murdered. I went to school with Jeff starting in Jr. High School. I was surprised he was hanging out with someone like Judy Davis..”
Judy Davis class of ’72 Roosevelt, lives in Henderson, NV
So, our you the one that stopped at my house? If you know this, why didn’t you tell the police at that time? I do have Judy’s boyfriends name at the time this happened.
Judy Davis lived at Jefferson apartments! The lady that saw Jeff at Judy Davis’s apartment also lived at Jefferson apartments and worked with Judy Davis. The only person who lived at Seneca apartments was Jeffery Deaver. Jefferey Deaver was seen at Judy Davis’s apartment by a high school classmate of Jeff’s two days before his death! So who was Judy Davis’s boyfriend and what drugs and or what drug deal went wrong? I feel that if they know who Judy Davis’s boyfriend at that time was and go and question him and Judy Davis then you have your killer which is probably Judy Davis’s boyfriend at that time. That’s to say if they are even alive today. Also Judy Davis probably has a different last name by now! Judy Davis told Jefferey Deaver to stay out of sight from her boyfriend because of the drug deal that Jefferey Deaver messed up so that sounds like this boyfriend of Judy Davis sounds dangerous! Your killer is the boyfriend of Judy Davis!
Christie, it appears from Jeff’s classmate, that he was hanging out with her co-worker Judy Davis. It makes me wonder, what was their relationship.
Also, if he screwed up a drug deal, that her boyfriend set up, why would she even allow him into her apartment. Also, where her apartment in relation to his apartment building.
Also, does anyone know besides the classmate know where Judy worked, and if she moved, married her boyfriend.
Larry, I would think the police, might prefer a bit more information on wbich to look at Henry Claytor.
Was a student at the school, or maybe someone who had a thing for Penny, and she turned him down. Maybe he believed her essay implicated him in something she was aware of.
Update: From a granddaughter of Robert Lee Ruby –
In regards to our Grandfather, Robert Lee Ruby, I can only go by stories my mother told me. She always told me that he “fell” down a “Well” and broke every bone in his body. My mother insists she was with him at the time and knew that he didn’t fall but he was pushed. My mother was only 13 at the time so to her the mine shaft was a “well”. She also told me that she saw who did it (they didn’t see her) and I was never to ask who it was. I asked her if I knew the person and she told me with a firm voice that she would never reveal that information and would take it to her grave; which she did. I asked her why she thought the incident happened and she stated that it was over money and probably the fact that our grandfather had more than most. Many people were jealous that he was able to continue to bring money in during the depression. He was also able to rebuild his finances after spending all he had for our grandmother, Mary Ellen Ruby, during her illness. He had the reputation of helping those in need and always provided food and a place to sleep for people who were traveling or just needed help along the way. My mother remembers a post on the fence that the people would put marks on to let others know that their farm was a place where they could be helped. The only rule……Grandpa took all of their matches and cigarettes before they went into the barn to sleep. What does concern me about the statements she made about grandfather’s death was the distress she felt when she told the story. If I didn’t know the person or know about the person she would have told me what she knew about them without giving me his/her name. This is why I have always thought I either knew the person or knew about them. It was never discussed again and I never mentioned it or asked. I do feel that it was NOT an accident but a murder. I don’t believe the story that the horse could have moved the wagon and caused grandfather to fall. He was also a farmer and knew about equipment and animals plus the fact that since my mother WAS with him he would have not taken any unnecessary risks etc. This added with my mother’s statements indicates to me it wasn’t an accident. I don’t have any proof other than what she told me which was all hearsay. However, my mother was always quiet about her father and didn’t speak of him much unless I asked questions. When my mother told me what she knew about the “accident” she was not ill nor on any medications that would cause her to tell outlandish stories. My mother and I were very close so I think she confided in me as much as she could just to release the burden of knowing more than what was told.
It is sad how people from my generation dismiss the depression as a bad time in history. I am from the last of the baby boomers. Today it is practically mocked. Young people today have no idea what and who were sacrificed nor for how much.
Ok so I just started doing some research on this case from old newspaper articles so hopefully some of you who have been researching this longer can help.( I will also point out I am in no way trying to blame the crime on the family or neighbors.) I have soooo many questions? I went back to reports from the day Donna Sue went missing before her body was found and initial reports state Mr. Davis didn’t see his daughter missing until 10pm. So it is unclear to me how the timeline changed from 10pm to 9:40, unless initial reports were wrong or further interviews with Mr. Davis and the family gave a different time frame. Next is that if the suspicious man seen was carrying Donna Sue then why wouldn’t she have awoken during the ordeal, unless she was incapacitated in some way. A man carrying her right after falling asleep when he is being described as hunched over, hiding in spots, running, jumped a fence, a barking dog, and nearby neighbors yelling at him, it doesn’t make sense how she would have slept through all of that. If she was incapacitated then it would be clear it was not a crime of opportunity. But planned. Someone who knew that window was going to be open, what time she went to bed, and where she slept. Next is the interaction with Mr. and Mrs. Fjeldos and the suspicious man. I cannot wrap my head around why Mr. Fjeldos would leave his wife alone outside with a suspicious man while he phoned police. I asked my husband the same question and he told me he would immediately send me inside to safety. Am I reading too much into this? Not sure but it is something that stood out to me right away. I still have more questions but I will stop there for now and hopefully get some clarification.
I NEW MR. MASSOURIS, I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH HIS DAUGHTER, SALLY.WAS IN THE HOME AFTER SCHOOL, MR. MASSOURIS ALWAYS GAVE THE KID’S O THE NEIGHBOR HOOD MONEY ,FOR POP SICKLES. HE ALWAY’S SEEMED LARGER THAN LIFE, SORTA, LIKE (AL PACINO)’ MAY THE HOLY SPIRIT BLESS YOU NOW AND FOREVER. EVE( MILLER ) MC BRIDE
While doing some research I found an old newspaper article that stated sioux city pd got some good fingerprints off the chest, crib, and window. Did those turn out to be fingerprints of the immediate family. I never see anything discussed about them?
Tony and I were classmates in elementary school. We would play almost daily in the summer time. He has the spirit and energy, always willing to help you when you were down, always the life in the room. I remember the day I came over and knocked on the door, I hadn’t seen him in awhile—that’s when I had learned of his passing. As I get older, I frequently think about my friend and where he would be in life. It deeply saddens me to realize he is no longer here, but my friend I want you to know you haven’t been forgotten; I remember you, and so do a many of others. I am now 26 years old and the world is in a crazy state filled with political and racial agendas. When I think of Tony, I think of a human that did not see color and saw me as his friend and the goodness of others. Rest easy Tony, I miss ya ❤️
I remember hearing about this, on the Chicago news, when it happened.
Was there any chance that the person or persons who abducted her were in the apartment with her and made her say that she overslept when her colleague called?
Are you the same Teresa that commented quite a while ago about a man that was born in 1960 that told you about a crime that now lives in Russellville,AR
I searched for some address information on two websites, but found nothing. I wonder if Anon could check their resources. It might help if we knew his medical issues.
did you see if this may be The following people, Darlene Fitchett, Alice mae Van Alstine , it would probably help if knew an estimate how long she been gone, not sure if u can do that, here also I found some girls/ young ladies who this could be, some ot from Iowa but who knows someone could of brought the girls to Iowa, Kristy Lynn Booth – Cheryl Ann Scherer, 19, – Scott City, Missouri
Are you the same Teresa that commented quite a while ago about a man that was born in 1960 that told you about a crime that now lives in Russellville,AR
I’ve seen it reported that Marc lived with a Grandmother in Connecticut for his first few years. I know this detail may be lost in time, but does anyone know where? I’m from Connecticut, so I’ve just always wondered where Mark and his Grandma lived. It’s weird to think I have probably been through areas he once went to, before moving to Iowa.
Leslie Rule, daughter of the late true-crime writer Ann Rule, has published a book about this case called “A Tangled Web.” Very good book, and a terrifying story!
Anonymous. I wonder if the details were ever shared with the VA Office of Inspector General, They OIG conducts audits of the various operations to check fro fruad, waste and abuse. They also have criminal investigators, who are special agents. So, this would be something that they should have been involved with.
I worked with a number of their people in my time in the VA many years ago. Off course, it might take many hours to check old records to see when Arnold, was in the VA.
Also, checking the system for veterans with the date of birth of 1948, might take some time.Also, seeing if any6 veteran was getting a disability to a flamethrower accident, might take some time.
I thought some may be interested that On The Case With Paula Zahn on Investigation Discovery (ID) network premiered a segment yesterday on the Michelle Martinko case.
The ID network is carried by most television providers or directly on the ID Network website (will need to input your television provider). The segment called “”A Test of Patience” should be searchable and viewable at any point here.
Upcoming segments will be produced and aired by 48 Hours and Dateline in a yet to be announced date and time.
I clearly remember when Gene disappeared. I was 15 at the time. Gene was 2 years younger than I, he lived with his mother on the east side during the school year, and visited his dad during the summer, so I didn’t know him, but this happened in my south side neighborhood, and it hit me pry hard.
As someone who grew up about a mile from where Gene’s paper bundles were dropped, and about a 1/4 mile from where his bag was found, who also spent a few weeks in Iowa August beating the bushes all over the south side of Des Moines with the organized search crews, I’d like to point some things out to the internet sleuths here.
First. From where his paper bundles were dropped, the city limits are approximately 1 mile straight south, and also about a mile and a quarter west on a state highway that ran straight to Interstate 35. The map today doesn’t represent the area as it was because the airport bought out my entire neighborhood to expand and rerouted the highway a bit to the south. But if you look at the intersection of SW 14th and Army Post Rd. on the current map, then track a straight line west to I-35, through the airport, that is how the highway ran. Near the end of the last building shown on the airport on Google maps today is where the city limit sign used to be, and if memory serves me correctly 36 years later, Gene’s bag was found on the side of the road not too far past the sign (and not far from my driveway) by his RM, who saw it because it was on his path from where he was to Gene’s bundle drop. You could never miss those bright yellow bags playing on the ground anywhere.
I didn’t know Gene because he was 2 years younger than me, but this was my neighborhood.
The biggest reason that there is more information about the investigation out in the public view about Johnny Gosch than Gene is because Noreen could not stay away from microphones, and often times said things on air that compromised the police investigation. Don Martin didn’t do this.
I can tell you that in the weeks after Gene’s disappearance there wasn’t a field, barn, ditch, culvert, property, creek bed, river bank, railroad trestle, abandoned piece of farm equipment, or park inside of a 7 mile radius that wasn’t walked and checked by our group, which often times was accompanied by Gene’s uncle. No property owner, to my knowledge, told us no, you can’t look here. That’s just the way we were back then. I also remember that neighborhood was literally crawling with police canvassing, checking, looking, etc… For at least a week. They were never denied access anywhere they wanted to look because us south siders were upset, and actually wanted to help. Nobody in Gene’s family hurt him, or buried him in the basement under his own house. Those things were extensively checked.
Detective Rowley followed every lead and idea that came his way. You can take that to the bank. I will say that in the interest of keeping investigation details under wraps to keep the cranks from wasting his time, he wouldn’t, or couldn’t let people know what was or wasn’t found. That’s just standard investigative procedure. I see names called out here that I remember hearing back then, so I can only assume they were thoroughly investigated as well.
Yes, the Register had a few pedophiles working in the delivery department at the time, but I recall every single one of them was checked thoroughly, as well as the RM, the DM, and anyone else with the Register that might have had a slight passing knowledge. DMPD didn’t want to miss a trick, and I don’t recall hearing of anyone stonewalling them.
Someone mentioned that when Gene disappeared, the fair was in town. This is incorrect. When Gene disappeared, Balloon Fest was happening in Indianola, and the fair was still over a week away (August 15-25). It was someone from the neighborhood headed for Indianola to watch the morning mass ascension who witnessed Gene speaking with the adult. Although Gene’s mom lived a few blocks from the fairgrounds, Gene was at his dad’s, which was a good 20 minute drive from the fairgrounds, so the possibility of it being one of the carnies was extremely slim as that show wouldn’t have even been in the state of Iowa at that time.
36 years later I still recall these things clearly. I remember coming home every night absolutely exhausted from all the walking and climbing over fences and obstacles, but ready to go again the next morning because I wanted him back home with his family. I remember how sad I felt when the searches were called off because we hadn’t been successful.
Gene would be 50 this year, and we still don’t know where he is.
Are you saying the newspaper bag was found on Army Post Road? Wasn’t there a church there before the airport expanded? If someone was headed that way with Gene, they might have been returning to WDM, which makes sense if it was the same person who kidnapped Johnny Gosch.That seems more likely than some random stranger from the balloon festival 15 miles away.
It was never stated, but from where we began, and focused the searches, yes, it appeared the bag was found on Army Post. Yes, there was a church out there. (Airport Baptist Church, the lot still remains and can be seen on Google maps) and the house I grew up in was right next door to the church. The city limits was about 1/2 mile father west from my house.
Heading that watt would take you to Interstate 35, which can take you anywhere from there.
Mike K.. I grew up just a few blocks from the abduction site and by the sound of it you and I are only 2 years apart in age. We may have met long ago. I also carried papers on SW15th St. The thing you need to remember is that south Des Moines and West Des Moines were very connectible then. Army Post (Hwy 5) shot straight west to 35 or 63rd Street that takes you into Johnny Gosch area.. but you could do most of the route then by skirting the city. At 6 am on a Sunday it would be a fast route. My point.. I think the Johnny and Eugene abductor was between or in those areas. I do not think it was a guy from North Des Moines trolling the southwest side. But at that time there was a lot of wooded or rural stretches on western Army Post Road.
I wished my memory was better! But I can say that I KNOW this girl! I have tried so hard to remember exactly when i met her…
I know I spoke with her about her adopted family and she spoke of her children..and how she wanted a relationship with them.
I emailed the police above in regards to the information i know… Hope and pray Brianne will get justice ❤🙏
Why are there two different missing dates, two years apart? What is the real story here? And from what I understand, Kimberly was in Texas and took a Greyhound bus to Davenport Iowa to visit her father, but never arrived at her father’s house. So who verified that she actually made it to Davenport?
She was in Texas visiting her father and was coming back home and she wouldn’t runaway there would be no reason to we have a awesome family that u love to be around not runaway from
Trust me the Knights can sleep at night. They have no regard for the law and what is right and wrong. They have no conscience. They have not pushed LE to try to solve Laura’s murder, they just sit back and laugh and hide. They did not care about Laura, they wanted her out of their lives and they succeeded.
Laura and her mother fought over her fraternizing with the Knights. Her mother did not feel they were people who were law abiding citizens and respectful of law enforcement and authority.
Were there other missing kids before Johnny in the 80’s or even the late 70’s? I know Eugene Martin and Marc Allen were kidnapped after Johnny, and that from ’86 to ’89 there were other attempts, that thankfully failed. Were there possibly other attempts back around 1982 that people ignored? Or maybe kids felt they couldn’t report them?
In my opinion, Charles Ray Hatch should be a suspect in the murders of Donald Hebert, Roger Atkison, Rose Burkert, and Sandra Jo Pittman.
Charles Ray Hatch was Roger Atkison’s uncle I believe. He escaped from a facility in Nebraska on September 6th, 1980. September 8th, 1980, Donald Hebert is seen leaving a local tavern with an unknown male. He is found shot just above the left eye. Based on known information, it appears the unknown male subject killed Hebert for money. The homicide took place in Des Moines, Iowa.
Four days later, on September 12th, 1980, Roger Atkison and Rose Burkert are murdered at the Holiday Inn in Amana, Iowa. Amana is straight east of Des Moines. They are brutally killed with an ax/hatchet like object. The two had met up at the hotel, which is about 270 miles from home in Missouri. Why meet up there of all places? Atkison was married and they were having an affair, but why so far away? With his Uncle escaping just 6 days prior, one has to wonder if he had contacted Roger looking for help.
On September 17th, 1980, Sandra Jo Pittman is murdered by blunt force trauma to the head, near Clarence, Iowa. This location is further straight east of Amana and Des Moines. I find no description of the weapon used other than “claw hammer of crow bar type object” was used to kill her by blows to the head. She was reported to be staying at the Catholic Shelter in Davenport when she went missing.
This is interesting since Charles Ray Hatcher, who was picked up on the escape charge in Lincoln, NE on October 9th, 1980, would later be released to the Salvation Army Shelter in Davenport, Iowa after being released from Des Moines on April 10th, 1981. He had been held just prior for a knife fight, but was held under an alias.
That’s all I’ve looked into so far, but Charles Ray Hatcher should be a very strong suspect in all these cases.
If Johnny Gosch was alive as Noreen Gosch has suggested, perhaps he now has children or grandchildren. Although it is a long shot, I think Johnny’s parents should submit DNA tests to Ancestry.com and 23 and Me with law enforcement serving as administrator of the dna results. When the results come back, the raw data should be uploaded for free to gedmatch, my heritage, and family tree. Then if there are close family matches with cms in the range of a parent child, grandparent to grandchild, or great grandparent to great grandchild relationship this would indicate he is alive. If no such results come in then he probably is not alive. This should be done before the death of Johnny’s parents. The cm relationships can be determined by using the free online DNA Painter and typing in the cm number of a dna match and tgen scrolling down to see the possible relationships.
JusticeFor Kaiden! Contuined prayers for the family as they try to get through each day after his murderer is finally caught! You can rest ,Kaiden. Rest In Peace.
He was my favorite Uncle , he was very depressed for many years and had 2 sucide attempts a few years before his disappearance. His truck was not stolen and we guessed that he went in the river but could not swim. I miss him still. Rick Doerring
Justin, I agree. When I forced heard about the two girls in Chicago, the use of .32 caliber firearm seemed odd. However, they were popular for a time. Also, a 15 year old boy from Zion, Illinois, disappeared possibly in December 1970. He was found shot to death in a ditch in Racine County, Wisconsin. He was shot in the head three times with a .32 caliber firearm. This is similar to the murder of the two girls.
However, some Chicago Mob hitman, also used .22 caliber firearms. However, two of them used a .22 caliber firearm on a Ken Eto, who ran a gambling operation for the Mob. Well, he survived, and rolled over to the Feds. The two hitman, were found murdered in the trunk of a stolen car.
So, I wonder about the use of small caliber firearms in a few unsolved murders.
IIRC, at the time of the murder, a black escalade had been seen in the area, an older associate of hers drove a similar vehicle and was cleared with all the speed of someone with a connected employer, he later committed suicide, can’t recall the details, but I believe they were good friends, I wondered if the wife was a little nuts, saw an affair and shot her, and the husband covered it up and finally couldn’t deal with it and killed himself.
I don’t suppose they kept the blood samples. DNA doesn’t lie. Wasn’t much of thing back then but if they still have the clothing in evidence they should be able to pull dna. Just a thought.
Corrections to “About Lloyd Patrick” section: Lloyd and Jeannette had two children; Betty Francine Patrick DeBruin (1927-2011) and Glenn Lloyd Patrick (1934-2014). Lloyd was born at Beacon, Mahaska county, Iowa.
Cindy, I appreciate the details that you provided since you were with Valerie when she left. The frustrating part to me, is that she spent most of Sunday, with LuAnn Hicks. Then she meets with you to go swimming and then stay overnight. Then she leaves you at the pool, she stops again at LuAnn’s. However, she was not home. It makes me wonder if she wanted LuAnn, to be with her when she met whoever later. I wonder what details she could provide. I agree, that the offender is someone in plain sight at the time, and may have left the area.
I posted this post a year ago. Bring that I have watched many crime and investigation show, the way this child was found, was personal. Did they ever look at the immediate family members? I just hope and pray they can give this little girl justice and that she may rest in peace 🙏😔
In regards to the cold weather, I remember my late father used to put an old army blanket on the engine, in the cold weather. I remember doing that myself while working at the VA, especially working nights. The only problem is that I would forget to remove the blanket, until about have way home. At least the engine stayed warm.
So, it appears that these two friends decided to not warm up earlier their cars until they were going to visit the victim.
As I asked above, Why isn’t her body exhumed to see if there is DNA under her nails? Arthur Charles Scott was admittedly the last person to see her alive. He gave different stories to law enforcement, and then refused to take a polygraph. His face was covered in scratches the day after her disappearance and he claimed he got them from “falling down at home.” His parents hired a spendy lawyer and then hustled him out of state. Now he is age 73 and lives in Illinois. Gary McHugh was cleared and was willing to take a polygraph.
They need to exhume her body!
His DNA could be under her fingernails!
Maybe the date didn’t go the way he wanted it to & he got mad…
Her body was was partially nude.
The more I read about Valerie’s case, it becomes confusing. She supposedly hung out with LuAnn Hicks. Then she meets up with Cindy, to go the swimming pool for the evening program. She then bails out on Cindy, to meet up with someone.
But, she then stops by LuAnn’s house to see if she was home. LuAnn was not home at the time. So, she stands up Cindy at the swimming pool, and is last seen at a street corner at about 8:30 p.m. Was this where she was supposed to meet the other person.
I wonder if Valerie while on her way to her meeting with her unidentified friend, decided to kill some time at LuAnn’s house. We need to know her story if any.
Also, what if anything she may have shared with her sisters and other school friends. The only one we hear from is Cindy, who provides the correct details on what happened at the swimming pool.
We need more details, that may be in the police reports. Quite often cold case investigators come across references to people, who were never interviewed or evidence that was never tested, or could be retested.
I can’t believe the sheriff never pursued Arthur Scott Jr especially when some of her clothes were found on the street he lived on. I wonder if they ever searched his car or checked out if it was a two-toned Mercury. I’m guessing because he was the son of a businessman they didn’t go after him.
Some farming families are ruthless and very greedy. My in-laws are farmers and are great people, However, I’ve seen enough from their more distant relatives, neighboring farming families, landlords & tenants to know millions of dollars in farmland corrupts.
OMG was Junior ever fully investigated? and was about the sister? she stated that she told Jason he needed to call 911, but she called her father. she didn’t call 911 to report in right away either. The whole thing is strange. Shirley Carter will not rest in peace until the truth is found out.
First, the cops don’t let anybody go on bond or bail. Judges do that. The cops do not decide who to prosecute. The county attorney does that. If some commenters think it is easy being a cop, then apply for a job doing it. Oh, wait, you can’t you say because you have a record? Any idiot can blame cops in a uniform and a marked police car. They are an easy target. Try spreading the blame to the “suits” that make decisions over which the cops have no control. That also means juries, and the people that try anything to get out of jury duty. Law enforcement is a reflection of the community they serve. If you want change, stop letting the media fail to print the names of judges in cases they hear, and vote no on them on being retained in office on your election ballot if you don’ like their decisions and sentencing habits. Too many of these people think they do not have a door on their chambers, but instead a stone that rolls away. The difference between too many of them and Jesus Christ is Christ does not walk down the street thinking he is a judge.
Someone at least claiming to be him has a new youtube channel and has recently posted a bunch of new videos.
This is different than his old youtube channel.
I clicked on one video and only watched it for a couple seconds. Disturbing doesn’t cover it. I flagged the channel but am wondering if I should have left it alone for investigating his case. It takes a bunch of reports to get a channel banned.
Mr. McIntyre, your claims have been fully investigated and completely debunked by law enforcement. Not a single thing you’ve said in the above statement or in any other statements you blanket on the true crime sites are in any way true. By making false claims (and ego boosting yourself to boot), you’re hurting the families and friends of the victims. Please stop.
I find M. McIntyre’s comments a mess. He throws out stuff about Keith DeWayne Nelson, who was convicted in the Pamela Butler case. Yes he is federal prison in Terre Haute, Indiana. Also he is on a list of federal inmates to be executed.
But, Mr. McIntyre comments are a jumble of other incidents that may be connected to Mr. Nelson. But, he does not provide any facts, as Sgt. Joe Friday would say. His material is all over the place and not organized.
He could have shown proof that Mr. Nelson was in living, working, or visiting in these places, especially Mason City, Iowa. Mr. Nelson, might fit a profile if we had found Jodi murdered, and she was killed in the same way as Pamela Butler.
But, all he does he is throw Mr. Keith Nelson at the wall, expects him to stick as being involved in Jodi’s case. I would expect more from an alleged criminal profiler.
Hey mom, its me again. Been thinking of you a lot. Grandpa (on dads side) isn’t doing the best lately.. so been trying to think positive but it gets hard at times.
I am getting married in a few months :) youd absolutely love him. We are flying out to iowa next month to see everyone, its been about a year. So that will be really nice.
I love and miss you very much and I wish so much that you could be here to watch me walk down the isle and watch my family grow, but i know you’re watching over me ♡
It says: “soy niño mis padres me mantiene en ninguna y canté y bailarín” which I believe means “I’m a child; my parents don’t support me, and I sing and dance.”
Even though the girls died at different ages in different years they were all basically the same age probably in the same class being born in either 56 or 57 which would probably put them in the class of 75. I would start by looking at boys in that same class or a year either way a year forward or back most likely a local who knew all three woman at least casually. Being that age myself I know that a lot of years have passed since then, I’d start by seeing who went down an obviously bent path and start there…
After retiring with 35 years behind a badge, I know there are only two reasons for murder. Love and hate. Love of money, hate for the person killed, or love of killing, using some person even random, as a hate object, or even hate of ones self, projecting it onto someone else. Folks like to say the killer is crazy, or sick. Sometimes, but rarely. Most are just evil. Lots of love or hate reasons.
First, ask, who stands to gain. Second, look at the evidence at the scene. What is there that does not fit, and what should be there that is missing.
Third, what is the nature of the big picture of the offense.
I recall when this Dyersville case happened. Knowing both DCI agents mentioned above,
It is fair to assume they were as thorough as was possible. There are lots of things not made public to protect the investigation.
What caliber bullet was found in the body. Was an empty ammo casing found at the scene. Was there a bullet missing from an otherwise full box in the house.
Was a gun normally in the house missing. We’re gunshot residue tests taken. Were
clothes of those present in the house seized. We’re there polygraph exams taken.
Did anyone in the house at the time contact an attorney in a short amount of time
after the murder.
Was there life insurance on the deceased. Was it recently changed, or purchased.
Who collected on the policy.
Did someone suspected fairly soon move or leave the area.
We do not know all of these things, but investigators may.
But knowing and proving are two different things.
Sometimes justice and the law are third cousins, at best.
I’m Michael David Rogers. Son of Melvin Gallagher. Sad to report,still no good leads.At this point, I have come to grips knowing I will leave this earth when the Lord calls me and will never know who killed my biological Father until I get to the Glory Land.Thank you so much for everyone who cared and still does, Much love. Michael David Rogers
Hi Michael, I hope and pray you get the answer you are looking for. You sound like an amazing person and I bet you father is with you every day. Much love to you!!
Do you know who your half twin sisters are from your father’s fiancee Gloria?? Just curious if you would want to know that information?? I am so very sorry that this case has never been solved. It sounds like you have experienced a lot of heartbreak in your life. Prayers for you as you continue this journey.
Do you know your half twin sisters from your father’s fiancee Gloria?? Just curious if you would want to know that information?? I am so very sorry that this case has never been solved. It sounds like you have experienced a lot of heartbreak in your life. Prayers for you as you continue this journey.
I have watched this case in the past and watched again tonight. I think that Jason Carter killed his mother. I watch cases all the time. I find that infidelity is a common denominator in a lot of cases like this. If his mother had learned of his affair and his knowing that his inheritance could be in jeopardy, I think he could definitely kill her before she told his father. But, a statement he made in passing was a key for me. He said that when his brother left home, his dad forced him to do all the chores his brother left behind even though he felt he was too young to carry the load. I think he resented that, and he felt he was entitled to the land and money he would inherit. He would have gone on cheating and living his life had his mother not gotten in his way. He wasn’t going to take the chance of his father finding out and taking him out of the will. I think he knew too much when he called 911. I don’t think the judge told the jury to find him innocent. I do think the police did a lousy job of investigating the crime. If they had done their job, the truth probably would have come out.
Cindy, Ravin, Tracy, and whomever else is implying the father, he’d husband was the last to see/hear/talk to/know she was alive. You need to know 2 things about the father/husband/Bill Sr. When he left the house after getting coffee with her, he inadvertently pulled out in front of his neighbor at 7:41AM. (Neighbor testified to being looking at the time on his car click, and further more, he continues to drive behind Bill Sr. to the gravel and then highway, North and East (where Bill Sr. picks up his semi, at a farm in Pleasantville, approx. 15 miles from home).
So give or take we are now at about 7:55-8:00AM.
Bill checked his semi tires as always is his practice with a hammer. (To some, this may sound different, but if you’re old school, or even taught by an old schooler on semi grain hauling, this is common. You hit each of the “18 wheels” with a hammer to see they are solid, check lights and note any fluid leaks, safety for transport. Basically it is a quick walk around. He says his semi is loaded from the day before with corn, ready to go to Cargill, about 50-60 minutes away to deliver grain. He states he waited a few moments for the diesel to run, not a long time, because it is was a sunny day, warm, 6/19/15. He then pulls out, and heads to Cargill with his own set goal of 9:00 AM arrival. The camera at Cargill shows him pulling in the gates at 9:01AM.
Meanwhile, Shirley (wife, mom) has filled out a voting ballot for the Iowa Corn Board voting for Donny Hunerdose. Why? Because they’d seen Donny at Casey’s when they got coffee, prior to Bill Sr. taking Shirley back home. Donny tells them he hopes he doesn’t mind that he sent them a ballot and would appreciate their vote. They tell him no problem, and Shirley tells Donny she will fill it out right when she gets home.
Then, she apparently notices there’s a number to call the vote in. She removes the stamp from the already filled out envelope (the stamp is on the desk, the ballot and envelope are found in the kitchen trash by her daughter and turned over to DCi/Sherriff’s.).
KEY **Between 8:44AM, and 8:47AM, Shirley makes FIVE calls to two phone numbers from their HOME phone and submits their vote on the phone (records and testimony in criminal trial by the Corn Board Rep of the received vote and copy of the Corn board’s records. Also, the Home phone company records 5 dialed calls to the 2 numbers for that time period. Short calls. She was alive. Bill Sr. Was about 50 minutes away from the home. So he did NOT leave her shot with two high powered rifle shots through her lungs and heart. He did not kill her. I hope this clears some things up. I understand it is difficult to make sense if the timeline if you’re not looking through everything very thoroughly and if you don’t listen to testimony that is crucial, yet was not spelled out and summarized by the prosecutor..unfortunately. I am their niece. My cousin is Jason. If you want clarification like this and it is not sealed, I am willing to offer any answers I can.
Dearest F,
Inheritance. That’s a terrible thing to say. I’ve never in my life thought I would inherit anything from anyone. This remains true today. Afraid of anyone? Not at all, but thank you for your concern.
Also, Dearest F. You are so inclined to accuse me of the greed others have, why do you not state your comment with your name? You said my name without issue. Please show the same courage. Thanks.
Thank you…this is the most cohesive explanation of time that I have read about this case. I agree that the prosecutor did not cover these details adequately. I think this case should have been solved with a more comprehensive and professional investigation. I appreciate this explanation.
Retha,
I completely understand. I can only wish I didn’t learn some things about the marriages in my family history on my parents’ families). It’s not all bad, but the things you learn as an adult are very different than what you think as a child. I could have lived without it. Also, it only causes pain to expose those things. It does not seem to help anyone. It’s sad. In many instances, I have learned things about our history I probably could have lived without knowing. 🫶 Be well
Hi Jody,
Do you think Kevin Petersen is possibly connected to the house fires in 2017? The Loose family house burned Christmas day killing four people. Four days earlier, a relatives house burned killing four people. Both fires are listed as cause undetermined.
Maybe he set these fires in an attempt to silence anyone bringing attention to the Kim Loose case. Maybe it was an attempt to destroy the records and transcripts obtained by Julie Loose. The case had been receiving an increase in media attention in the few years prior to the fires.
Just FYI, I went to Harrison School in Council Bluffs in K through 2nd grade with Steve Lybarger (we were in the class of 1970). We were friends in 1st grade but not as much after that. I moved to another school for 3rd grade and later. I was surprised when I heard about the charges against him back then.
Jen, I agree with your comments about a long haul trucker possibly being a suspect. The FBI has has a database of these guys for a number of years. However, it makes. There is no mention of when she died. Also, it appears he may have kept her under her under wraps for at least almost 8 days.
Also, we don’t know how she got to the concert or was getting home. So. I assume she went there alone, and that no one else she knew went to the concert.
enough to determine strangulation and no sexual assault. also not decomposed enough to obtain fluids and what not. prob not that long, few days at most
Now that CeCe Moore has been able to solve multiple cases through dna from crime scenes, we have new methods and connections beyond codis. If the FBI lost tge dna, they can still submit the blanket she was wrapped in to get dna from the killer. Contact Ce Ce Moore. The dna can be pulled from the blanket and then uploaded to Gedmatch to identify the killer’s relatives and narrow it down to the one.
Jen, thanks for the information you provided. I rebooked at those childhood images and afree with Moon’s comment, that they are disturbing. It makes me wonder, if he was being abused.
The videos all over the internet with this young man’s name attached are extremely disturbing.There is another man of the same last name in Texas whose resemblance is too striking for this to not be a relative, possibly father or older brother, and this man was arrested for uploading child porn to the internet. https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/san-antonio/news/2018/06/12/man-accused-of-uploading-child-porn-to-instagram
Unfortunately, I am afraid that there may be some very sad history associated with this young missing man.
Tiffany I read over this case you submitted. How did you get that he’s evil! I know he was never formally charged with bomgars and they got him for guns in woodbine while he lived in Blair! You are just as evil for condemning someone that you don’t even have burden of proof that he did anything and I haven’t heard that they have a body? How do we know she’s even dead? I know of women who just left their children and took off! They mentally break and leave! Karma is a bitch if you’re wrong! It’s defamation of character and you could end up in jail!
I think if Jason was found not guilty I believe his father needs to be looked at. Because i watched the case and believe hes the one that killed her and pointed the finger at his son.
Wow I remember that. And sadly to say , I know one of the guys that were mentioned who owed John money I’m not at all positive , but he , himself couldn’t shoot anyone , but I’m sure he knows exactly who did.
I kinda knew John , thought he was a descent man. Definitely didn’t deserve getting killed.
For John’s n Pam’s daughter , you are a very strong young lady n I’m sure ur daddy is very proud of you.
So sorry yours was taken away from you at a young age. Mine was too , I had just turned 14 the day before mine was taken away.
I just watched the Guilty or Innocent and have 2 questions. Who and what is the Joe person mentioned by the reporting person as admitting he did it? Why would he be going to the Carter home for drugs, wouldn’t anyone who knew them know that Shirley would more than likely be at home in the morning and or Bill?
Was Kim’s body checked for signs of rape? From what I have read it sounds like it wasn’t. If not, Could an exhumed body still have evidence such as semen, vaginal bruising, etc.? She had injuries inconsistent with falling out of a car, but she was a young pretty girl that had been alone with three, maybe four young guys, alcohol was involved and she had been to the home of the brothers who lived near the driver of the Camaro. She had bruising on both knees. If rape had been committed while on her knees her head and neck could have been jerked and pulled harshly, and her chest wounds could have been from being held down (while on her back potentially) with too much force such as one or two guys holding her down or her chest could have been repeatedly thrust against something (while on her knees). It sounds like the deceased brother knew what happened, he was there after all, and was highly upset about it which is likely the reason he was killed. I’m so sorry about this for the family. RIP Kim.
I doubt after 34 years even with excellent embalming there would be any viable evidence then again I hope there would be. shame what happened to this girl.
R Michelle, thank you for this question. The answer is as strange as this whole case. The autopsy report makes no reference to rape or sexual assault. Nothing. It doesn’t even state whether or not she was examined for signs of either incident. This is highly unusual.
We have on the ICC site a case of a 6-year-old who allegedly died from burns suffered in a house fire, and her autopsy report does make mention that she was examined and that there were no signs of sexual assault or abuse. Yes, the subject is covered for a 6-year-old. I have autopsy reports for some elderly women (in 80s), who were beaten to death, and sexual assault is addressed in those autopsies, too.
I don’t have autopsy reports on all of ICC’s female victims, but in the cases where a victim’s family member sent me a copy, sexual assault and/or rape is always addressed in the medical examiner’s report. Yet, here we have the case of a 16-year-old who died under extremely suspicious circumstances, but no mention of whether the M.E. even checked? The possible scenarios you posed are not without merit, but I wonder if any of us will ever know the full truth about what happened that night. Sometimes, what’s “not” in a report speaks volumes.
Thank you for the reply Jody. I believe she was raped in the case it wasn’t addressed and it would appear the M.E. was paid off or somehow involved closely with those committing the crime. They need to pull the body out and re-check it and question those 2 boys still alive. Unbelievable! This is just so disturbing!
Mr. Brown, I was reading up on Ted Bundy, last night. It appears most of his victims were in major cities. He fled east and was Ann Arbor, Michigan. He stole a car there and drove to Atlanta. Georgia. In Atlanta, he took a bus to Florida. He grabbed a 12 year old, and killed her.
He entered a Florida State Iniversity dorm and atrackedcseveral victims there. I did not see material that he spent any time in Iowa. I was looking at some cases to see if there was any other cases around the country involving a red on color Volkwagen. There were five girls who were abducted in Jacksonville. Florida over a three month period, in 1974. In one case there was a reference to Ted Bundy and a Volkswagen, however his was either tan or brown.
I also came across a case out of Springfield, Missouri. A young girl disappeared and may have been seen by a blue in color Chevrolet. I seem to remember another case involving that color vehicle.
Maybe the new comments by Amanda., can provide some details that she may know.
Mr. Elledge, hopefully with the recent cold case arrests, this might the DCI to rebook at this case. If the cases are connected as it would seem and it involves two different jurisdictions, then it would seem that the DCI should take the lead on this case. It should be somewhat easy for them to put together.
It has been my idea that the Attorney Generals of our 50 states should create a Statewide Cold Case Unit. These units would have the staff, to tell at these cases especially in those jurisdictions which don’t have the staff and resources to investigate.
I’m a genealogy nut working on Iowa family links when I came across Patricia’s “Find-A-Grave” posting and a link to the case. Wonder if with all the advances in DNA profilling, whether the police have any viable crime scene DNA that could be tested. The “GenMatch.org” site in Canada can and has been used in a number of cold cases over the last few years to solve cases that have gone cold for many years. Either of Gene’s sons could have their DNA tested so that it could be used to screen out Gene’s DNA from the crime samples. That might identify a DNA of a possible suspect.
I’ve used the sight to validate whether a possible ancester is or is not a long lost relative.
I was wondering the same as well, I have been looking into all the DNA stuff and the genmatch and how they have solved some cold cases. Being this is family, I would love to see it solved! I have my beliefs and am curious to know how right I am?
It would seem Curtis Padgett has been significantly slandered here…very one-sided. Surly Padgett was thoroughly investigated. Why a section was titled Bullied becomes the Bully is ridiculous…the article is about one student’s recollection of a bullied student easily angered or agitated…that doesn’t equate to being a bully. Shame on this website for including that information is such a way.
Matt, yes, the original composite sketch is literally a dead ringer to Clark Perry Baldwin. By the way, I’d noticed that under the Cedar Rapids Gazette clipping, I’d inadvertently written the year 1991 when it should have been 1992. I’ve corrected the date, and also added the flyer that officials mailed out to over 1,500 news bulletins shortly after the crime. Thanks for your input!
I think there is a possibility! The timing is right and everything. The only issue I saw with it was the manner of death between Tammy and the women Dennis killed.
Illinois police have since stated that he isn’t a suspect in the Tammy Zywicki case. Considering how many details are similar to other cases that Clark Perry Baldwin is a suspect in you would think they wouldn’t dismiss the idea so easy. They must have some evidence that clearly points to someone else.
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This makes me so sick to my stomach. I’ve lived in Iowa my whole life and I never have heard this story until today when I found this website. I’m so sorry for your losses. This should be national news and also made into a movie.
I know I was probably only 4 and I don’t remember you but I grew up knowing your story grandma I love you and they got him! I hope you can lay peacefully now much love
Kayla no she shouldn’t, if proven guilty your husband killed a 73 year old women. He deserves to rot in a cage for the rest of his life. He is also a registered sex offender so maybe they can go after you next for child endangerment for allowing a sex offender in the home with your children. Your comment disgust me.
John one my children don’t live with me. And yes she should because they are not the only ones hurting. He has a family and a child of his own that may never see his dad again.
so we are not going to talk about the fact he is a registered sex offender because he sent an inappropriate picture to his wife’s underage sister. He admitted that to me himself before anyone knew that he had murdered this woman.
The Oxygen Network is looking at Jodi case on an episode of Up & Vanished. So, hopefully it will generate some new leads. We all the new forensic tools, and cold case units that more cases would be solved.
In my personal opinion the State of Iowa should establish a Cold Case Unit. It could be staffed by active and retired investigators, under the State Attorney General. My thoughts behind it are based on testing novels by J.A. Janice. One of her characters re tut fires from Seattle homicide and gets a job with the State of Washington Attorney General’s Special Homicide Investigative Team. Everyone can figure the shortened version of the name is.
But, the idea of having state wide jurisdiction gives them a lot of clout is we say here in Chicago. The feds have used joint task forces for a number of years. A prime example are the Federal Fugutive Task Forces that the U.S. Marshal’s in regions around the country
The mix of people bring all kinds of knowledge, experience, etc to these groups. Also, it would take a burden off the locals, especially ones, where the local agency has some ghosts in their closet that might not want exposed. This is where I would like the federal agents to step in. But, the FBI has been busy investigating some disinformation they got from Val’s old friends in the KGB, or whatever name they use.
Hi Patrick, (previous commenter) thanks for the reply and the background information. Yes, I believe the daughter as well. Her comment sounded very credible, and your added information further backs that up. I looked her up on Facebook shortly after she left that comment, but it looked like she hadn’t been active in a few years and I was hesitant to reach out regardless.
I really want more information on this guy. Too bad Jody isn’t responding either. At least we have more information than before.
The question I would like to ask the daughter is this. What tie might Barnes have had to the Davis family. I know he was living in Chicago, but was apparently in Sioux City the week of the crime. Where would he have stayed. According to the 1955 Directory, there was another Barnes who lived about 5 blocks from the crime scene. Even if he was staying there, he would’ve had to have had a connection to the Davis family. The timeline on the crime is just too short (less than 10 minutes). He would’ve had to have known what time she was put to bed, and had to almost be already by the window at that time. I’m not yet ready to name Barnes as the killer, but coming back to Sioux City and living in the same exact home? It sounds like the criminal returning to the scene of the crime.
Well she wrote in her comment that her father was visiting his brother and driving his brother’s car during the time he was in town. Apparently his brother was away serving in the military. And as far as how he knew what room Donna Sue would be in? I would not doubt that he was a Peeping Tom, and was well aware she had a crib in that room.
I know the Barnes 5 blocks from the scene was not a brother. I have read the obit for Charles. Thought he might have been staying there, and borrowed the car of the brother who was away in the Navy. I don’t think this guy was a Peeping Tom. Those kind of people rarely act out. Not sure how much research you have done, but you most certainly have interest. Let me know if you would like to discuss in depth some time. My interest in the case came as a result of growing up about 4 blocks away, and my mom bringing it up from time to time. I have many different theories. A classic “who dun it”, and I would love to see the case solved.
I agree with the comments in the last couple of days. We have been dealing with the comments from Mr. Barnes daughter about his involvement in the kidnapping and murder if the baby. He is from Sioux City, and was visiting family when the baby was taken. He supposedly was using a car belonging to his brother in the Navy. However, we have no information on his brothers car. We also don’t have any registration information on the vehicle mentioned in the known details.
So, all we have to go on is the information provided by his daughter. However, there are some situations where the offender, will return to the scene, or visit the place where the victim is buried. Some of them have even kept an article of clothing from the victim, to keep the memory of the crime.
Many years ago, I was involved in the use of video surveillance for law enforcement. The scenario was to video tape a fictional burial of the victim, with the chance that the offender would show up. We actually travelled to a Catholic Cemetery in the Westrrn suburbs of Chicago. The area for are mock burial was where members if the Capone family were buried. The other interesting part, was that several of his competitors are also buried in the same cemetery.
So, we have more unanswered questions. But, purchasing the home points is suspicious enough to warrant more research to fill in the blanks. But how do we or investigators determine that the car that supposedly belonged to his brother matches the description of the possible vehicle used. Also, why target this baby. He comes home to visit, and supposedly decides to kidnap some baby. How does he know the baby even exists and where she was sleeping. Also, what do we know about his time in Chicago. Where did they live, work, or even why he or the family move from Sioux City. He could have connections to some unsolved cases in the Chicago area.
Barnes was a foreman with the Schwann Bike company in Chicago. If Barnes was in fact questioned by the FBI, and was given a polygraph 3 times as his daughter has stated, then he surely had some connection to the Davis family. The question remains, what was the connection? Something lead them to question him in Chicago. The one thing that completely puzzles me right now is that Jody Ewing has not entered this conversation. This is her Web Site, and she has spent many hours pursuing answers. I personally don’t think Jody believes it was Barnes who did the crime, although she believes she knows who did. My only question for Jody Ewing right now would be to ask if she has interviewed Barne’s daughter.
Ok, you have obviously done significant research on this case. I too am wondering why Jody isn’t involved anymore. I think it’s Barnes. I read his obituary too. It’s the only information I could find on him. Granted, I only think it’s him based on his daughter’s comment and his link to Sioux City.
I think he can be a Peeping Tom AND a pedophile. Maybe he saw the child out with the family and followed them home, then waited to find out where Donna Sue slept? He doesn’t have to have a prior link to the family.
Of course it could be someone else. I too would like to have a conversation with the daughter.
Tenley ….. I hope you continue your interest in this case, and continue to pursue answers. I don’t want to speak for Jody, but I believe her involvement waned once she figured she had it solved. I will continue to investigate until I have an answer that I am comfortable with. Might be next week, next year, or maybe never. In my mind, the case is still unsolved, so I’ll keep digging. Best of luck to you!🍀
Patrick, I really enjoyed speaking with you today on the phone! After our conversation, I’m sure you’ll agree that my interest in the Donna Sue Davis case has never waned. Quite the opposite, in fact. :-)
And I apologize for not actively participating in this conversation over the past several days; things are moving quickly on some other cases and I’ve needed to stay focused.
I’d be happy to connect off this forum. I lived with him until his death. I would do anything to help solve this if it was Charles. Also keep in mind, there have been three generations of Charles Barnes that have passed. My grandfather died in 1994.
Pat is the only one who will speak up on any of the abuse he caused. I think there is great potential he did this. My understanding is he was connected to the house. Idk if he owned it with Jerry or exactly how the two had access. If I remember correctly he lived at this time on the other side of town in Morningside. So there is no connection between him living on w. 6th st. That did not happen until they purchased it in the 80s. No one in the family wants to lay a finger on being involved in something like this. I’m sure there is no surviving DNA after all these years but I wish there was.
I never understood why Charles moved the family so much. Again, I don’t know a ton of history, but I know they bounced around in Sioux City, Chicago, and California all the time. It never made sense. He took in all of the kids from his wife’s sister as fosters. There were too many children to logically uproot them all of the time. Pat is your best lead, she may get worked up, but she’s the only one with guts to say anything of the atrocities of this family. I don’t think Charles would have done anything alone, I think Jerry would have been involved too, but that is just my opinion.
I was just watching Dr.Oz and seen a story about a beautiful young girl in Ohio Siera that was murderd in 2016 they found the serial killer to me he looks as if he could fit the description of the guy on the tracks with these two little girls that one of the girls filmed. Please take a look at this Doctoroz.crimeHunters. It’s better to say something than nothing at all. Prayers for these families.
The article title says David Leon Redowl Sr, which is correct. The last paragraph says David Leon Redowl Jr. It looks like his son David Leon Redowl Jr was born on May 17, 1994 and died on November 21, 2015. He he had his own son as well who is David Red Owl III.
I was rereading all the comments posted here especially the one from Jodyin 2016. I have been reading more this child & human trafficking recently. This includes material posted on a blog on NCMEC website. Also, some articles on recent arrests by the FBI of a individual from Indiana.
He was running a non-profit organization for Orphansbin Ukraine. The Dept of Homeland Security, and ICE assisted. They searched him upon his return f rut pm Ukraine and found computer devices with child pornography on them. He also sent a note to his son, that was intercepted, telling him to check above the ceiling of the laundry room, for another computer drive that had more images on them.
The newest thing is Sexploiation. In which young kids are threatened to keep posting sexually explicit images or videos or else. One teenage male victim committed suicide. Another offenders threat forced police in Plainfield, Indiana to shut down schools and stores there.
So, it’s still a problem, and it’s getting worse. So, we need to protect children, by being aware of what they are doing online. More information is available from the FBI and NCEMC. Make sure your local schools are alert of this. At my local Catholic church a FBI Special Agent, and three investigators from the Chicago Police Dept., DC did a program for the students, and then a program for parents. The attendance was small, and I was the only man, with t hff e exception of the church pastor. I don’t have kids.
I am a former detective with the federal government, and try to keep up with what is going on in law enforcement, forensics. One of my duties, was giving crime prevention talks at a VA Hospital. So, I am big on reading and researching. It’s also important, because I have some beautiful great grandkids, that I want to protect. So be on alert and aware.
With all the info the was verified on the Johnny Gosch case, it is hard to believe that more info on Eugene’s case is not made available. Sam Soda actually told Noreen Gosch in June 1984 that another paperboy was going to turn up missing in the 2nd week of August 1984. This was relayed to local and federal authorities who did nothing at all. This info was verified by so many people and documented by the same. After Eugene went missing, it is clear that this was an organized kidnapping that was planned for months. This is no conspiracy theory, just do the research for yourselves and make your own conclusion. I hope they find this poor boy and give some closure to his family.
in regards to the last comment on this case. It could be a number of reasons why they have not done anything. We talk about forensics, however how we preserve evidence compared to the early 1950’s, could be a factor. Is there any useable material for DNA testing, maybe not.
We have the statement from Mr. Barnes daughter, which too me sounds very good, and makes think he most likely did it. However, investigators need to check and see if they can match what she said with the known details. This means checking records to verify that he was from Sioux City. So is their records to back up her claims. Is their DMV records to show that the vehicle he was supposedly registered to a family member. I don’t what the requirements are in regards to records in Ioea. Is there property records that show him buying the building.
So all this has to be put together and then presented to a prosecutor. He or she has to review them and decide yes this meet the standards that they would require to prosecute the case in court if the kidnapping took place recently and not over 60 some years ago.
In regards to records, the federal government has records that are stored in the National Archives. They have regional document centers.
I have verified through Sioux City directories from the early ‘60’s that Charles Barnes did in fact reside at the 715 Isabella address. This seems very suspect to me, and gives credibility to his daughters story. I have researched this horrific case for years, but have no concrete evidence. I would love to sit down and talk with his daughter. Also, I have reached out to Jody Ewing several times via email, but have yet to received a reply. I still believe someone out there knows for certain who did this.
Patrick, I would to hear her story also. The problem is that law enforcement and definitely a prosecutor should be doing the interview. However, it appears that a number of law enforcement agencies don’t to spend the time or money to deal a case this old. Some of them may have replaced or lost the original case file, and may not even have the evidence.
In Chicago, there is the case of the Grimes sisters who disappeared after leaving a Southside movie theater in the 1950,’s. A number if years ago, a retired investigator held a talk in a park near where they lived. A woman came forward that was with them the night they disappeared. She never said anything to anyone about it. Her mother would have killed her. So he referred her to Chicago Police Cold Case detectives. We heard nothing since.
However, we had a wealthy older woman, connected to the Brach Candy company. She disappeared after visiting the Mayo Clinic. A number of years later an informant for an ATF agent called him and gave him a tip that lead to an arrest in the disappearance and murder of three boys The Peterson and Schuesller. That led to an arrest and conviction over 40 years later.
In McLennan County, Texas, they established a Cold Caae Unit, they recently announced that a deceased man, was responsible fir6the kidnapping and murder of a teenager walking home from a party. The victim’s mother came up with motto “Answering the Unanswered Questions”. Some agencies have used the new forensic tools and investigative resources to finally close they cold cases.
Here in Chicago they have not spent the resources to determine who killed a number of women of color, who were found deceased. Most of the victims appear to have been working the street to support a drug habit. They were waiting on DNA to identify a suspect. But, there are other things they could be doing.
The FBI has a program called VICAP. It’s a computerized program to analyze unsolved violent crimes. However, its optional to agencies to enter their cases. It will look at certain information and see that an unsolved violent crime committed in Las Vegas, might be connected to a similar violent crime in Miami, Florida. However, I have heard it’s a very hard program to use especially entering data.
In Canada, the RCMP has a similar program. However, every law enforcement agency is required to enter their cases. So, there is a lot of issues in solving some of these cold cases. Many of them financial and others are political. We have the example of media reporting on missing people, especially for white people, but less attention to persons of color. I don’t understand that at all. Yet, the major media will rant about racism, and ignore this serious issue of their racism, and alerting their viewers.
You stated in your message above that you had “researched this horrific case for years,” and alleged you’d “reached out to [me] several times via email” but had yet to receive a reply. I don’t know where you sent these alleged emails about Donna Sue Davis, but I can say with 100% certainty you did not send them to me.
I have kept every single email I’ve sent or received concerning any Iowa cold case since 2004, and, aside from the recent comments you’ve publicly made here on Donna Sue’s case summary page (and one public comment left on this page on Feb. 25, 2015), you have never contacted me personally about her case. Your last email to me was dated Jan. 13, 2020, and concerned the death of a young woman found murdered in Downers Grove, Illinois, in the 1970s. Prior to that, you’d sent an email Jan. 6, 2020, re the death of the man who raped and strangled 11-year-old Julie Fuller in Fort Worth, TX. No references were made to Donna Sue in either of those emails.
If you have copies of the emails you say you sent to me (I’m assuming you save yours, too), I would ask that you please resend to me because, for whatever reason, I did not receive them.
As far as you having researched this case for years, may I ask: Have you spoken with Capt. Lisa Claeys at the Sioux City Police Dept.? Or the chief of police, Rex Mueller? Have you spoken with former police chief Joe Frisbie? Any of the other past/present investigators with the SCPD’s investigative division? Anyone who has done so would know why they can’t just release the name of the (now deceased) primary suspect (nor can I). It would be entirely different if they were able to clear/close the case by exceptional means. Were that to happen, the SCPD would then be able to publicly identify the perpetrator.
I’m aware of your experience working as a detective for the Veteran’s Administration where you investigated incidents of patients’ missing personal property or government property (and sometimes when a patient would leave the facility and be reported as missing), and you’ve also told readers multiple times (through comments on other victims’ pages) that you served with the Coast Guard Reserve during Desert Shield/Storm in the Persian Gulf and on a US Navy attack submarine during the Cold War and Vietnam era, and for that, I sincerely thank you for your service. I also think you would have made a helluva good homicide detective had you chosen that route.
There will always be more questions than answers in any murder case (solved or unsolved), but right now, I’m hoping you can find those emails you said you sent and forward them to me with the header info intact that would verify the times and dates sent. You do have my correct email address b/c I did receive those two from January (on the out-of-state cases) and had responded Jan. 12. All best, Jody @ ICC
Hi Jody …. There is no intent on my part to get off on the wrong foot here. I think you have me confused with someone else for some of the post. The only emails I have ever sent to you were concerning the Davis case. There were no others. Perhaps you have me mixed up with Mr. Kerrigan, whose first name is also Patrick. I did not serve in the Coast Guard, but rather the Marine Corps back in the early ‘70’s. I did send 2 or 3 emails regarding the Davis case, and if I can find them I will resend. If I remember correctly, I was only asking if I could sit down with you some time to discuss the case. I tried recently to get in touch with Lisa, but she is out on an extended leave. She was the only officer I wanted to speak with as I knew she had followed the case so closely. I apologize if there was a misunderstanding, and I would look forward to meeting you if you would choose to do so. I live in Dakota Dunes, SD, so not that far away from you. I realize at the present time, no one really wants to meet anyone due to the virus. I for one really appreciate what you do, as well as your website. My most sincere regards …. Patrick Enright
Yes, I did indeed mix up the comments between you and the other Patrick. The career and military background I provided was for Patrick Kerrigan. At any rate, there are no hard feelings whatsoever and I fully support and encourage the ongoing conversation here! Many thanks to all of you!
I have not sent a bunch of emails on this case. I have been commenting on what the other Patrick and others have made in regards to this case. My comments are more in line if suggesting possible reasons why they may not be able to act on the information provided by Mr. Barnes daughter.
I would be interested in the time frame that Mr. Barnes and family lived in Chicago. Also, where they lived. We had a couple of cases of young boys, the Peterson and Schuesler that were found murdered in a Cook County Forest Preserve. Over 40 years later an arrest was made, and the alleged offender was convicted. However, we also the Grimes sisters from December 28, 1956, who disappeared after seeing a Elvis movie. They were found dead, in a ditch along a road in suburban DuPage County.
I would think that investigators would love to be able to close this case. However, can they independently verify the information provided by Mr. Barnes daughter. This is important, when they decide to provide it to a prosecutor. Are their any DMV records stored somewhere that would show that his brother had a car, that matches the vehicle described.
Also for the other Patrick. I also served in the U.S. Navy, Navy Reserve, Army Reserve, prior to the Coast Guard Reserve. I want thank him for his service in the U.S.M.C.
I think it’s all good now Patrick. Jody just got confused seeing 2 Patrick’s posting, and thinking it was one, and we both got lumped together. No big deal. Thank you for your service as well.👍
That’s the problem, we look alike and use the 1st name. Also, some commentors sort of seem to think that it is Jody’s job is to take some of are comments, assumptions on these cases and go to the investigative agency and pass along what we think is the bad guy or gal.
One of the things about Mr. Barnes, that threw me for a loop, was a genealogy website indicated that he had two brothers, both now deceased. Well, I found an obituary for his mother in the Sioux City newspaper. It mentions she was survived by five sons and one daughter. The two known brothers Jerry and Darrell Barnes, were born in 1941 and 1943 respectively making them too young to have been in the Navy, when Donna was abducted and murdered.
What, I would like to know is where he lived in Chicago. However, he was back in Sioux City, by the time his mother died in February 1983. I was looking at a couple of other unsolved disappearances and murders in Chicago, in the 1950’s and 1960’s. I found that the Schwinn Factory was located on the 1700 block of North Kildare. This is on the near northwest side of the city. Also, when did they move to Chicago.
The other question is what supposedly led to him to start molesting children. I don’t know if it is learned behavior.
I’m not a psychiatrist, but as far as everything I’ve read over time, pedophiles just are what they are. Some of the other questions regarding Barnes could most likely be answered by his daughter. You should be able to access Chicago directories through the Chicago library system. I believe the family moved back to Sioux City around 1962.
Patrick, the libraries are closed down. I am used to digging through various databases in my south suburban community. They have some interesting databases to play with. My only problem is they got rid of some I used. But, they had no way to track if they were being used, or advertising that they had these various databases. I stumbled upon a link to a Chicago Genealogy Group, from there was a link to various stories on the Chicago Mob, during Capone’s time. One article was about a coroner’s panel investigating the Valentines Day Massacre. It went to show that a couple of wealthy businessmen spent money to bring in a Dr. Goddard, to review the crime scene. He determined that two Thompson machines guns, one with a straight 20 round magazine and a 50 round drum magazine were used. This Dr. Goddard is sort of considered the Father of Ballistics. He established a crime lab and conducted training in Chicago. One of his attendees came from the FBI and he pushed J Edgar Hoover to establish their crime lab.
Hello, I am not sure if any of you still frequent this website, but I have recently been researching this case using the information from this forum/website. After scouring old newspapers, directories, etc. I do have a handful of people, but nowhere near enough information. Concerning Mr. Barnes: He indeed did live at the residence in the early 60’s. He was not however, the owner. I went through the old deed records of the property, and the Davis family purchased the duplex in 1951. After the 1955 incident, newspapers show the were attempting to sell immediately, but were not able to close until 1961, which it was then sold to Mr. Davenport (real estate mogul from the area) who I am assuming rented to Mr. Barnes. So, immediately after the Davis family sold the property, Mr. Barnes moves in. There is an add attempting to sell a Pontiac 2 door Sedan, with this address listed as the location, during the time he was living there. There is more I have but I want to see who is still out there researching.
The evidence so far is circumstantial. However, we would need more physical evidence. Prosecutors today have to deal with the CSI affect. So jurors would be looking for DNA, and fingerprints, etc, at least.
I think that he moved into the residence where the victim lived kind of shows an extreme example of returning to the scene of the crime. Plus if there are DMV records showing that his brother had a car that matched the description of the vehicle used, and if the license plates matched.
Plus the family is from the area. I don’t know if any photographs were taken of the remains and where she was found were taken. I would like to have the material reviewed by criminal profiles to give investigators a profile of the offender.
The other thing that bothers me in regards to cold cases, is that we victims that have an undetermined cause of death. These cases should be reviewed by well respected pathologists who determine a cause of death from the original autopsy or recommend that the remains be exhumed for a physical examination by pathologist and a forensic anthropologist.
Jody, Could you please state the reason the name cannot be
released? The wording is a bit off, I understand you will not
release a name, but perhaps tell us why? Thank you.
This case came to my attention as I was reading about Corrine Perry’s and Colleen Simpson’s cases. It is appalling to me that Robert A Rolfe, past Union County Attorney and attorney in Lamoni, Iowa, has an active law license, but it appears he has failed to come forth on this case. In addition, it appears that Jule A Sturzenegger Loy Gray continues to reside in the Des Moines/Ankeny area. Apparently Imogene Loy Ransier Kelly passed away November 2018? Was an obituary every found for her? Is this case being actively worked by the DCI or a cold case unit? It has been 5 years since the 2015 push on this case, the parties to the case are entering their elderly years with two being deceased, and it has been 47 years since Ms. Konecne was allegedly murdered. What can be done to push this case forward so that the truth can be brought to light? Ms. Konecne’s parents and brother are deceased but she has nieces and nephews that deserve the truth as to her demise. Thank you.
Ok, so a commenter tells us a suspect, then that suspects daughter comments that yes, she believes her father Charles K. Barnes did indeed do this horrific crime. My question is why hasn’t Jody come back to verify or deny? She knows who it is. The police know who it is, or have a very strong case. Reading the daughters comment, I believe her.
I have one. After I watched a YouTube video about someone going inside an abandoned party house, I looked at the calendar in the house that said March 1999, with the day 16 circled. So, I believe he might have planned to leave that day if he lived in that house/location.
Today is Erin’s 34th birthday. I’m another person who knew Curtis Padgett from school and I don’t really have anything good to say about him. I don’t really remember seeing him around in high school so I think he dropped out or transferred to Metro High School. He wasn’t a good student. I’m not saying he did anything to Erin, but I wouldn’t trust his story.
It’s been a year, but I’ve talked to some friends that also know Curtis from school and they backed up what another comment on this page said about him being homeless. The last time Curtis was a blip on anyone’s radar was in 2019 when he received a public intoxication charge in Linn County and he still owes $147.75 for it according to court records.
Kimber, I have lived in Chicago and now in one of the suburbs. I never heard of her case. At the time she disappeared I was in the U.S. Navy home ported in Connecticut. I have researched missing persons on the Chicago Tribune archives, but don’t remember seeing her name.
If it is her dumping her body in the Mississippi River, is along way from Chicagi. Also, I wonder what was going on at Harlan High School, in July 1973. I would assume that the schools were closed for summer vacation. Also, she would have been still in grammar school at 12 years old.
The other problem is that missing kids at that time normally did not get a lot of attention. However, certain street gangs were prevalent at the time. However, they did not get a lot of attention in the media, until a number of years later.
HINRICHS/LEONARD CASES Same guy Both bars late at night Less than a mile apart Less than 10 months apart Both robbery/homicide I think guy was patron at both bars Maybe somebody knows these questions 1 Why does he shoot LEONARD but not the witness he confronts 2 no witness composite sketch 3 Why does HINRICHS mother think she knew her killer ?
“Some of the older deputies who were around then said maybe somebody out of Chicago or Milwaukee had a pregnant girlfriend and got rid of her. We might never know,”
That just rubs me the wrong way. It’s still kind of the same situation in Eastern Iowa. If a crime happens and someone black is involved, the authorities just assume it’s Chicago related. It’s not just the authorities, a lot of the public thinks that too.
That being said, Kimber’s mention of Shirley Magee is still very interesting.
I believe the female was Shirley Magee from Chicago, IL. I do not know if the authorities ruled her out but she matches, height, weight description, and although decomp made age difficult, she does does fall within the range given by the examiner. She went missing in 1973, but in the 70’s it wouldn’t have been hard to leave a possible bad environment with a guy that showed interest in a young lady.
I’m a medium. I get a lot of clairaudient messages. I don’t know Jesse. For some reason I keep getting the message that the answer is in his phone and that he was there to meet someone he was talking to on an app., a woman I think. She was not there for what he thought she was and someone else took him out of the truck. This is just the message that I’m getting. I felt a strong need to share it with you. I hope this does not offend anyone. I hope that he is found safe.
I did not ask for anything. I just shared the information. If I was a fraud I would have been asking for something in return, I’m not. All I was doing is trying to help. I’m from Iowa and I feel bad for any parent that goes through this.
You’re right the answer is in his phone. Which is dad has his original phone and he give the cops his old phone which was his dad cell phone. Jesse won’t be found until his dad decides have m to be found.
Patrick and andreadole2, I have updated what other little information I could find for this missing person. The Iowa Department of Public Safety’s “Missing Person Information Clearinghouse” page lists the basic known facts about each individual’s disappearance, and slightly more information is shared with NamUs.gov for the listing on that respective website.
Here at the Iowa Cold Cases website (an Iowa nonprofit organization), our goal is to provide names of homicide victims whose cases have not yet been solved, as well as provide information about persons who went missing under suspicious or mysterious circumstances. The data we provide in each case summary is based on a number of factors, including that which law enforcement agencies have chosen to make public, information shared with us by victims’ family members via emails or phone conversations, and any other additional details we find through published news stories and/or news archives.
We find comments like those from andreadole2 quite helpful, and are appreciative that they took the time to help us add to the person’s story. We want our readers to get to know the person behind the name because people care about those with whom they can identify. It’s a fluid process and it takes time. Information comes from unexpected places at unexpected times, and it’s far more productive when it focuses on the victim’s background and/or the reader’s knowledge or shared experiences with them.
So often, we’re asked questions we can’t possibly answer. There is often a reason investigators “must” hold specific and/or critical details close to the vest; seasoned detectives fully understand this concept and how it might compromise an ongoing investigation. Other times, they simply don’t know b/c witnesses fear retaliation if they speak out. It’s an unfortunate but ongoing conundrum.
We do the best we can with whatever information is provided to us, and we never purposely write case summaries to include as little info as possible.
I agree, Moon, the child photos are extremely disturbing. Not just that, but also disturbing are the photos of Adexe (Jesse) pulling his shorts to the side, just not quite exposing himself.
Steven, I agree that matchbook might have been connected to a business in Ohio. I would think that if his remains had been found closer to Interstate 80, then maybe I might agree that he was heading towards California. But, he was way north of 80, unless he liked taking a round about to California.
I wonder if something else not released might have led them to assume he was headed to California.
Mike, it appears that maybe some piece of clothing or maybe the matchbook, could have provided them to assume that he might be headed to California from Ohio
The use of the term may, to means they assumed something
Since, we don’t have the case report to see what gave them the idea he was headed to California.
I might agree with the assumption, if he was found close to or near Interstate 80. He was off the beaten track. What bugs me that he appears not to have been reported missing. But then I was thinking about “The Buckskin Girl, that was found in Ohio, a number of years ago. She was finally identified through DNA Genealogy. Her mother never reported her missing.
However, I was a police officer and detective, we would use the term, appears, especially describing an item. I worked on a number of reports in a VA hospital involving missing patient’s property. A patient would say they had a gold watch. I would check the inventory sheets from his E.R. admission and what the nurses wrote up on a form, when the patient got to the ward. It used to bug me that the nurses would use the words gold or whatever color watch or ring it was.
That was one of my pet peeves. I had more issues on how they handled patient property when the patient went to surgery or was transferred to another unit. I was big on digging through medical records looking for answers to the questions I had.
I have a few stories from two different VA hospitals that I worked at.
I contacted the police about someone that I believe to be missing and they only called the person. I believe she is being held against her will and the people holding her has her phone what should I do now
I know this sounds awful, but if the baby was sleeping in the room with the mom… she saw the fire started there, she left the baby and alerted the others…
At 15 days, she’s probably feeling the baby blues or early onset of post-partum depression. I would look into her.
April 2, 2020. A local restaurant owner was arrested on sex abuse charges Wednesday.
Hershal James “Jim” Ratliff, 69, of Council Bluffs, is charged with four counts of sexual abuse in the third degree, one count of lascivious acts with a minor, one count of soliciting commercial sexual activity and one count indecent exposure, according to a press release from the Council Bluffs Police Department.
Ratliff is the owner of Jimmy’s All-American Malt Shop & Grill in Council Bluffs.
I really think you should submit Kimberly’s case to the new Unsolved Mysteries show that has been blowing up on Netflix. Here is the link https://unsolved.com/submit-stories/
It’s almost April 2020 and no leads; no arrests; no justice; no nothing!
I remember hearing about this and thinking it must have been someone out of state. I couldn’t remember any other robberies / home invasions / murders that happened before or after this incident. The person or persons who done it had to be watching them for a while. I bet he even made, at least, 1 visit to the home to scope it out. I don’t know, but now it’s been 8-9 years later — does the DCI have any better possibilities?
I remember the video of the guy getting out of the stolen truck in Kansas City. Ok, did they check for ANY DNA? Did they find anything?? This makes me think there was more than 1 person involved. How did the guy get to their house? If they met at this Stuart Auction – any close surveillance cameras? Showing video of Bill & Kay’s vehicle with the same vehicle (suspicious) behind them?
It’s just so hard for me to believe that the DCI has no leads or any new news in the past several years.
I feel sorry for that family. I can’t even imagine. I hope the DCI is speaking with them every once in a while — even just to say they have no new leads; does anyone have anything new to share that they remember; or simply how are you guys doing? Would be a nice gesture that they care and are still actively pursuing this case.
I hope to turn on the news one day, and this mystery is found to be solved.
Just saw 48 hours and the case of Isreal Reyes. Someone like this would explain why there have been no leads. This murderer committed suicide before they could identify all the people he killed. He had no pattern.
I took another look at the disappearance of Mr. Doerring. I mentions that he was depressed over the death of his son Peter. It did not mention how depressed he was. It made me think of another missing person case out of New Jersey from sometime in 1994.
A Renee LaManna, 35, fled from her sisters place in Ocean City. It appears she had a serious mental health breakdown, that her sister called ‘Dissociative Fugue Disorder’. As usual my reaction was the heck is that. It’s a sub type of amnesia, where a person under severe depression, PTSD, marital discord, or a death in the family may trigger this condition.
It appears that this condition causes the person to completely forget, their personal history, to include name, age, and other identifying information and flee the source of pain of sorts. Some of people have many miles away from their home. The first documented case in the U.S. was an Ansel Bourne in 1880,’s. The last name Bourne my seem familiar from some books and movies. They quite often assume a new name.
The condition is considered rare, but some medical research papers written seem to believe there are more cases then they are aware of. There are two individuals I came across where the missing person has had two or more episodes of this condition. One of them was a Hannah Upp.
A journalist from Tacoma, Washington disappeared a number of years ago. She was found in a shopping mall in Aurora, Colorado, confused and disoriented. She was admitted for treatment and was discharged using a new name. She took some college classes, and then moved to Alaska. She got married to a fisherman, and had two kids.
About 12 years after she disappeared the Tacoma, classified her disappearance as a Homicide. When, the story appeared on the news, someone in As Alaska suggested that tut ge Tacoma Police check out this woman. Well, they went to Alaska, and took pictures and confirmed it was her. They should the pictures to her parents. They asked who the guy and the kids were. They now had a son-in-law, and two grandkids. They came to a family reunion and she did not recognize her family.
I have wondered if one of the experts in this could develop a profile of some of these missing persons might have developed this condition. I have come across a few cases where people, with some recent deaths in the family, or there are reports that the missing person was acting strangely or made bizarre comments on social media, might have developed this condition.
I commented previously, that there was no mention of any property in his vehicle. I would assume that his residence was checked. But, it’s not mentioned in was is available.
P.S. I am not an expert on this condition, but have come across some interesting articles especially one on Hannah Upp. The last time she disappeared on a Caribbean Island, she has not been found.
Mike, your comments are spot on, in regards to the DNA. However, the cost is a factor. I would assume that they would get a court order to exhume the remains. Then if approved the cost to dig him up and take the necessary samples.
The other thing is that they could have sent the remains to the FBI lab in Washington. Where they would be logged in to their evidence system. Then they would taken across the street to the Smithsonian Institute of Natural History. There a forensic anthropologist would do a sort of autopsy, and possibly make some determinations.
I came across an excellent book from 1992, about this by one of their people who trsined6under the guy who established the Body Farm. They have been doing this since the1930,s.
Unless the Iowa State Medical Examiner took DNA at the autopsy, there is no way to identify this person. Per the funeral home, the body was cremated and the remains were returned to Decorah for burial. The county provided a lot for the ashes, the funeral home placed a temporary marker: “Unknown” for the name, and “XXX-1986”. The autopsy determined he had been dead about a year when he was discovered, but since he was discovered in 1986 they used that date.
Almost 35 years since this man’s estimated date of death. I wonder if there is any DNA available from his remains that could be added to a genealogy database just to see if there are any hits.
I’ve always wondered what evidence there was that indicated to investigators that he may have been traveling from Ohio to California. How could that hurt the investigation if their reason was made public? Winneshiek county is pretty far from any major interstates where one would have attempted to hitchhike from if they were traveling across the country. Between hay bales would have been a good place to hide or sort of have shelter during the cold. I wish there was an address or GPS coordinates of the area where he was found. I’m wonder how far way from a highway he was. There are only a handful of highways in that county. Looking at weather in that area in April of 1985 I can see there were a number of days where it would have been below freezing. He may have succumbed to the elements.
The pole barn he was found in is still on the farm. It is less than 100 yards off the west side of the Locust Road (W38), approximately 13 miles north of Decorah. On a related note, while doing family research photography in the Freeport Cemetery just outside Decorah today, I came across his grave. It has no marker other than the place keeper provided by the funeral home.
He was found between hay bales inside a barn? I just always assumed he was found between hay bales left outside. You commonly see hay bales lined up on properties or on the edge of fields. Again, it’s just so out of the way for anyone bumming or hitchhiking to across the country. There also doesn’t seem to be any rails really in the area. That kind of rules out the common situation where it was someone who was riding the rails and decided to get off in that area to get supplies. I think many years ago when Iowa had a dedicated page for the unidentified they have more pictures available for this man. I think he had an old-school shaving kit and maybe the matchbook was what gave them the Ohio clue.
Kimberly is my cousin and her mother and the rest of the family think about her every day we have thought of and tried so me different theories of wat could have happened to her so if u people have any suggestions we r open to hear them
I’ve read she was 13 and also 16, what age was she and is the family even sure she made it to Davenport, IA? Has the family contacted the greyhound company and got a list of cities it would have stopped at to compare Jane Does in those towns/cities? I’ve taken a bus ride from Davenport, IA to New Mexico and back and had 6 scheduled stops one way and 4 stops on my return, some up to a few hours long where we ventured the cities while we waited to board the next bus. Also a few unplanned breakdowns and bus exchanges along the way in the middle of nowhere. Some are saying they are not even sure she made it Davenport or even reached the state of Iowa. Was she dropped off at the station in Texas and physically seen boarding? In the 80’s these cases were handled so differently than in today’s world but I feel like her story is missing so much information for the public as a whole that would be beneficial. Absolutely no hard details and a few discrepancies I’ve came across! My deepest sympathies to her family and I hope for answers and healing! Any details rather than the short few would be great to help bring her home and possibly to rest!
Jess, thanks for your comments and questions. The lack of details bothers me. We have a couple cases that law enforcement don’t provide a lot of details.
Yet, they ask the public for their help. How, can we help, if they don’t give us details. In some cases we know that a specific caliber firearm was used to murder someone. In other cases, it is not mentioned to protect the investigation.
This is still the story even in unsolved Cases going back over 40 or more years. Also, we have Cases where the investigative files are missing, were destroyed. Here in the Chucago area, a high school student was murdered during a gas station robbery back in the early 1970’s. The original case file no longer exists, so whatever was done by the police or whatever evidence may have been recovered is gone.
Has Kimberly ever been compared to to female body found in Blairstown, Warren County, NJ in August of 1982 known as “Princes Doe”. I have been saying this for years. Too many similarities to not investigate. Princes Doe’s composite drawing to Kimberly’s photos are very close. Dates of Kimberly being missing are not clear and how long she was with her father. What is the true date she was reported missing?
Hi John P. Laird. As I’m sure you know but I want to post to clarify. the body found in Blairstown from 1982 has been identified as 17 yr. old Dawn Olanick from Long Island, NY.
I think its all bullshit if someone dies they died for a good reason. some people are lucky to die when they can to get out of the shitty place call life.
The police probably know to a certainty who committed the homicide of Tom Mathers but they don’t have the proof to take to the prosecutor they’re probably afraid it’ll get thrown out on a technicality or aquitted by a jury. The police like everyone else probably to a certainty don’t believe her story but like I said don’t have the proof and Hope they solve it someday.
I hope just commenting, here or anywhere, can trigger a new look. Stabbing sounds too personal to be just a robber. Mary was still a student. I think her husband was working at a UPS shipping center but part time. 24xx University is generally low cost housing for students. I don’t think I buy the robber hypothesis. I don’t think they had much to steal. What tool was used to cut the line? Why bother to cut it? Was it a line outside the house and the perpetrator wanted to prevent her from calling for help? Was the line inside the house and the perpetrator had some other purpose? If robbery was suspected were any things taken? If not was the perpetrator scared off? Then why take the time to cut the line? If something was taken what steps were taken to find or recover items? In a complex of so many duplexes was no one home who might have seen or heard someone or something? A lot of questions were asked about possible extra marital relationships on Mary’s part. Were those thoroughly explored? I heard the husband’s alibi checked out. But did he have some untoward relationship that led to a jealous girlfriend? If I can think up these kinds of questions can the police assure us they have chased down all the answers?
If I saw the evidence I am sure I could think up a hundred more questions some of which may not be answered yet. I’d like to keep this going.
JP, I agree with your comments. I have come across cold cases, that were solved many years later, because fresh eyes came names of people who were never interviewed or something not followed up on. In the last couple of months, a recent newpaper aticle about the kidnapping of Teekah Lewis from a bowling alley in the State of Washington. A new detective came across two different witnesses, one who ran into the guy, who took Teekah, while.beading for the washroom. The.second saw the same a few nights later, when they recreated the situation, to.generate some leads.
Two different witnesses both described a M/W, with a pock marked face. Also, there is description of the vehicle he used. It appears that some of this information may not have been released to the public to identify the kidnapper. Here, it is twenty some years later that the authorities dropped the ball.
Such a tragedy the murderer couldn’t be brought to justice. There HAS to be someone who knows something, and for some reason didn’t want to get involved. Who knows.
I live in the same hometown where she was from. I dated her for 2 and a half years in high school. Her father was a local surgeon. Mary went to college in Missouri, and her family moved to the Peoria IL area shortly thereafter.
My parents informed me of the tragic news. I was away at college at the time. The last time I saw or had any contact with her was when she came home for break from college, and I was still a senior in high school in the fall of 1969.
She was a sweet, outgoing girl. Such a sad situation. I have fond memories of her, and the house where she used to live still stands here in Flora, IL. I pass by it frequently…..a lot of memories of the carefree wonderful times of youth.
Hopefully, someone will be held accountable in this life for this horrific crime.
Hey. I’m Alice’s great-niece. This was my Grandmas best friend and the case was never closed. I believe she deserves some sort of justice. Whether if we can bury her or not. We got the day she went missing out on her headstone some amount of years ago. I want to see my grandmother have some type of closure over her sister. Who can help me??
Mallory, I am also a niece, unfortunately Lee Andre was my uncle. I can attest to the following facts;
Alice was an intelligent, loving, creative mother who wanted nothing more than to be a great mother and wife. She WAS A GREAT Mother, she refused to have the April, Crystal, or Erich institutionalized. The only way she would have left her children would have been through nefarious means. Lee did try to get custody but only to further torment Alice. He was emotionally, verbally, and physically abusive to Alice, (as well as his subsequent wives) and the family rumors/whispers were that he beat Alice while she was pregnant because he didn’t want children. He was delusional at best, but flat out lied about former military service, honors, etc. Lee Andre was an active member of the Minutemen Militia, to the point of extremism. (He terrified me as a child.) The family rumor is this: he killed her and dumped her in one of the caves on his former property in Clarke County, Iowa. I beg someone to receive permission to get on that land and search those caves. In my heart I feel he did it. He did it because she left him. The general consensus from family members involved in law enforcement was that Lee H Andre was south solely responsible for Aunt Alice’s disappearance and ultimate death. THERE IS NO WAY SHE WOULD HAVE EVER LEFT HER CHILDREN UNLESS SHE WAS DEAD.
There is a resemblance however Kimberly Doss was alive and last seen approximately two years (per info above) after the poor girl was found in Texas that you linked.
The Jane Doe, was found in 1980. Kimberly disappeared in September 1982. Thanks for your research. The problem I have is the lack of details on many of these cases. What do we know about her family situation.
Our family is very close and look out for one another and the lack of info and how some is wrong is because careless investigation..her mother has been looking for yrs and unless they don’t check her mom and dad gave DNA so if she has been found u would think they would figure it out
There are discrepancies with the date she actually disappeared. She is reported to have been missing as early as March 24, 1980, by family members. The 1980’s were a different time and missing children cases were handled far differently than they are today. Her mother lived in Texas at the time and her father in Davenport. I don’t think the Walker County Doe can be ruled out so easily. There is a possibility and without a DNA comparison to the family members to say one way or the other, it’s important she be considered
The questions was weather the bonds were ever cashed. Also, who knew about the bonds? Maybe her ex-husband, his or her attorney. Maybe even family members. The other question is weather the Postal Inspectors were ever involved in her case. They could have provided extra help in the investigation. They have been involved in the disappearance of a mail carrier here in Chicago, along with the Chicago Police Department.
Mary, I noticed that the bonds were missing from a safety deposit box. So, there should have been records of who was authorized to enter the box at the bank. I would assume the bank, required whoever’s removed them would possess the keys and have to register in a logbook of sorts.
Also, who knew about these bonds. It would be a motive for her murder. I would assume there were serial numbers. Also, where were they purchased.
Patric I agree. I think the ex-husband or close family members ( minus her children should have been investigated. A recent divorce and 25,000 in savings bounds is enough motive. That kind of money in1977 is close to a 150,000 today.
This isn’t a cold case any longer. A year to two years after his disappearance, a farmer’s dog brought a bone home. The farmer thought it looked human and called the Winnebago county sheriff. The sheriff had the bone examined and it turned out to be human. The sheriff’s deputies followed the farmer’s dog, that lead them to a skeleton along part of the Winnebago River bank. Dental remains came back as the missing man Brian Blachut
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its so sad that his son was on the crew that answered the call to the river that day. i could not imagine the feelings or thoughts going thru his sons head when he realized it was his dad.RIP Kevin
Before you post you should know your facts !
Yes it is a great loss .
Never believe what you hear . As i know the family rather well and I believe if you know them you wouldn’t say things like this on social media.
The articles regarding her fraudulent criminal activity linked below certainly lends credence to your claim that widow Mary was morally compromised and may have been involved Jennifer.
As his son, I can tell you not only are you so off base with your comments,you should be ashamed of yourself. Your insensitive, baseless comment that is only meant to take a cheap shot behind your little computer screen. Glad that when my children, who never got to meet there grandfather look this up some day they can see how horrible and nasty internet trolls are.
I am so sorry you lost your father and also sorry that years later you are exposed to reading about his passing and what other’s suspect happened. From an outsider’s perspective, it is always “interesting” to consider all the angles of a story, however, I think we often forget that there are many loved ones who are still impacted and feel the hurt of the loss. I wish you peace and love and hope your father’s case will be solved. From what I read, he sounds like an amazing man who was a positive light in this world. Take care.
As his grandchild, who was robbed of ever getting to meeting her grandfather, your comment is absolutely disgusting. As a now ER nurse, who deals with grieving families, grief is experienced in different ways. No one can define how you grief. Your poorly written, grammatically incorrect comment, is one of the first things me and my siblings get to see when we try and remember our grandfather by visiting this page. I hope you feel ashamed of yourself and your disturbing comment, that my 14 year old brother showed me. I saw this comment years ago, and hoped and prayed my siblings would never have to see what uneducated people think of our family. Clearly that day has finally came, so here I am finally responding, and saying what I should have years ago. Think before you type, and take a grammar class.
GUILTY!!! – of premeditated murder in the first degree. Mandatory life in prison without the possibility of parole. Held without bond until formal sentencing in 6 weeks. He’ll never see the light of day again.
I’m happy her family finally has closure. His attack appears to have been random, or at least he had a type. With his mention of Jodi Huisentruit during questioning I think it would be worth it for Jodi’s investigators to look into Jerry Burns a little. Did he own a white van in 1995? Did his work ever take him to Mason City? Manchester where he lived is only a 2 hour drive to Mason City where Jodi was abducted. Jodi did work for KGAN prior to moving to Mason City and that station has Manchester in it’s viewing area. Just something to think about.
Agreed, definitely worth looking into. I think he mentioned her twice – initial interview and in the transport video but I may not be remembering that correctly.
I too am very happy for her sister especially, the only of the immediate family left.
At the risk of being totally obnoxious posting about this trial; the prosecution rested this morning. The defense offered the customary request to acquit / dismiss the case based on the prosecution did not prove their case. The judge of course denied that request.
The prosecution has done a masterful job of establishing the type of person Michelle was, the integrity of the chain of evidence custody, the pathology of the fatal wounds, the DNA content/process/integrity/results, and the integrity of the arrest and suspicious comments & behavior of Jerry Burns during questioning/arrest/transport to the jail/jail cell activity.
1 in 100 billion (22.7 times the world population in 1979, the time of the crime) were the DNA results matching Jerry Burns to blood on Michelle’s dress.
I understand the defense’s strategy, but I don’t like it. They have focused on evidence potentially being damaged during the flood of 2008, even though the the DNA was tested and profiled multiple times prior to the flood. Also they have focused on the idea of secondary DNA transfer as being something that can happen. They leave out the parts that point out that secondary DNA transfer is usually from someone else at the scene or by an investigator. It’s not likely that some random guy from Manchester Iowa, with a clean record, is going to have this DNA available in labs or the evidence storage room in order to contaminate not one, but two separate pieces of evidence. Jerry Burns wasn’t one of the investigators. Side note: It’s even more obvious now why the defense didn’t want Jerry’s search engine history as evidence. For those who don’t know, the computer from Jerry’s office had searches for internet porn showing blonde women sexually assaulted and killed. It’s as if he had an itch to scratch right? That being said, I understand why it wasn’t allowed as evidence because apparently on occasion other employees would use his office computer. There was no 100% proof it was him doing the searches even though it connects the dots really well. Anyway, blood DNA on the gear shift and DNA on the dress that matches Jerry Burns. I hope this jury is smart.
I presume Prosecutor Maybanks (who coincidentally went to the same high school as me) will cut through the irrelevant noise that the defense has raised in his closing arguments tomorrow.
I would think that someone would have followed up on his comments. However, maybe someone they thought he was trying to bargain for a lower sentence. But, the reference to the theft of M-16 rifles from the Rock Island Arsenal, would be jumped on by the FBI, since it is a federal property. So, they would have ran with that and possibly solved some other crimes.
Shortly after Brian disappeared Jerry poured a new concrete slab on his farm. Hmm… coincidence…? Now that we know the truth about Jerry I sure hope they look there.
In regards to the comments that a possible lead to the family was ignored. Well, all leads need to passed along to law enforcement. They then have to investigate and determine whether it amounts to anything useful.
There are many cases where law enforcement get hundreds of bits and pieces of information. They all have to be investigated and determined whether its useful or not. Because what happens if they make an arrest and get to court. A good defense attorney, will look at the case files and ask them if they followed up this lead or that lead.
I used to like watching the Perry Mason programs, because he had his own investigator and would have him out there investigating, versus trying to destroy the prosecutions case, by questioning their investigation. I however used to feel sorry for Hamilton Burger, for the several cases he thought were slam dunks.
Keith, thanks so much for your comment. Though it was noted on Sandra Jo’s page that the case was solved, I’ve added the details about Dean Ray Tumey’s acquittal on this page as well as the Cedar County page.
In instances where cases had been cold for some time before being solved, I keep the case information on the website because readers (as well as researchers) are often interested in how they eventually came to be solved.
For those unaware; the trial of Jerry Burns, as the accused in the viscous assault and murder of Michelle Martinko, began with judge, attorneys, and court administration calibration on Mon 2.10.20, jury selection on Tue 2.11.20, and opening remarks and testimony occurring on Wed 2.12.20.
Testimony began with friends and acquaintances who saw Michelle that night who saw her at a HS school banquet at Sheraton Hotel & Westdale Mall (in close proximity of each other) in Cedar Rapids. Testimony involved establishing Michelle’s high quality character as a person and timeline of her movements that night – especially when she left the mall and later would have met ultimately her demise.
The second day of testimony established the investigation and evidence collection process & procedures involving accounts from the investigating officers and detectives from the Cedar Rapids Police Department as well as the autopsy results.
The third day of testimony involved the integrity of the chain of custody and explanation of the DNA processes and findings in this case – including the 1 in 100 billion (there were about 4.4 billion people on the entire planet of earth in 1979, the year of the offense) unique DNA identification of the accused, Jerry Burns.
It’s been interesting to see the defense start to try to push the idea that maybe the evidence had been contaminated with Jerry Burns DNA sometime since 1979, even though there doesn’t seem to have been any mishandling of the evidence. No evidence of mishandling so far, and no evidence of any situation where Jerry Burns’s blood would have been in a position to contaminate specific pieces of evidence like the gear shift.
Indeed it has. It’s about the defense’s only play – argue contamination of the DNA evidence as the prosecutors have & will further establish that the DNA is definitively Jerry Burns. They scored a couple of minor points but nothing material from what i can tell.
To your point, the prosecution has done a great job linking the integrity of the chain of custody for the dress and gear shift selector from collection to check in / out of the CRPD secured evidence room to hand off / receipt from the DCI lab for analysis and back to the CRPD.
I really thought the two DCI analysts in particular – Mike Peterson & Linda Sawer were very effective in explaining the DNA content, processes & findings in layman’s terms that the jury can understand.
Linda Sawer in particular did amazingly well. One interesting observation I noticed is that on Day 2 the defense made it a point to get Dr Richard Fiester to mention that the vaginal swabs taken during the autopsy had no signs of sperm or seminal fluid. Then on Day 3 Linda Sawer mentioned there was microscopic amounts of sperm and seminal fluid present on Michelle’s panties, but not enough for analysis unfortunately. I’ve always had the theory that it was sexually motivated, but location, time, and the way the situation played out may have spooked the murder. Many men precum / “get wet” in excitement so maybe its possible that he exposed her panties and stopped. If not, I guess its possible she was wearing those panties previously for some sort of sexual encounter and they weren’t 100% clean? I guess it’s really only relevant if there was enough to do DNA analysis on. You said “Testimony resumes on Mon 2.18.20” but Monday is the 17th. Do they resume on Tuesday?
Sorry I just picked this up. I typed the date incorrectly. The trial resumed on Mon 2.17.20 at 9:00am. Apologies for the confusion.
Linda Sawer was indeed awesome. I could see where your theory regarding the sperm is possible.
I’ve always had an interest in this case in particular as I grew up on the SW side of Cedar Rapids near Westdale Mall & the Sheraton Hotel. Been to both places many times – in particular the Westdale Mall.
Anybody can watch the trial on Law and Crime network stream either live or archived via You Tube incidentally,
I won’t ever belive he was alone.i don’t be live everything from DCI HAS BEEN TOLD.TINA WAS MY FRIEND&LIKE A DAUGHTER TO ME.SHE LIVED BEHIND MY HOUSE ON SOUTH WARD ST.SHE LOVED MY 2 KIDS BETTY&MIKE SHEPHERD JR.AND SHED HELPED ANYONE
It would be nice to run the fingerprints through the FBI system today. They have added a number of fingerprints to the system over a number of years. However, with are luck the offender is most likely deceased. But, we never know.
I don’t remember how long Dave’s fooze and booze was open but it didn’t seem that long. I heard a girl named robon Keeney used to work there. She might be an interesting person for the family to talk to if only to ask what she was hearing at the time
This literally breaks my heart! who takes the life of a Mother! Come on,please somebody knows something! Realize that if it were you, you would want closure and peace! please help out Autumn and her family. Connie deserves justice and didnt deserve this!!!
Thank you Phil it is much appreciated. People say it will get easier but honestly it doesnt. All the questions keep running through my head like a movie… I wish she was here to see me get married and watch her granddaughter grow… but someone took that away… one day we will find closure…
I’ve been sitting here reading all these comments not knowing what to say, I’m very sorry for your loss, when we were in school we dated for a long time and it’s been so hard to find the right words to express my heart felt sympathy for you all! The person or persons responsible for this will receive 10 fold of the torture and pain they have caused you all! My deepest condolences! Jaremy
“People say it will get easier but honestly it doesn’t.”
True.
My heart breaks for you.
My sister Julie is an Iowa Cold Case. Two more sisters have died before age 65, leaving behind daughters and granddaughters, who will never get to know their grandma.
Our dad is gone now; our mom soldiers on, but the loss of a loved one, especially to murder, is a lifelong cross to bear. Cancer is a serial killer too, but it’s impersonal. It’s an aberration of nature. What aberration has human beings killing innocent young women and tearing apart their families. Sorry – I started out hoping to offer you the small solace that you are not alone in this – and as always, my anger and outrage leap out instead.
All Connie’s grandchildren will know her through you – it’s apparent you are are keeping her legacy alive – God bless you! (Wish I could offer actual healing words of comfort!)
I don’t know why people think it would be hard to take two little girls. All someone would have to do is threaten them with a gun. I’m not from that area and wonder if the park is viewable from a passing thoroughfare road. My thinking is maybe someone saw them from a road and it was a crime of opportunity.
I was just in storm lake this evening so it’s really weird timing to me. I’m just now hearing (well, reading) of this and a couple theories came to mind: the mother was in a compromising situation such as trafficking, drugs (anyone from the area knows storm lake has a major drug problem), an incest scenario, and/or an abusive relationship. With the safe haven boxes, I’m not sure if there was one available in storm lake at the time or not, but if there was, there could be fears that someone would be watching and make some connection, even though it is fairly anonymous. If she was being trafficked someone could possibly link her to her pimp and any other victims and I’m sure that could have some really bad repercussions. If it’s a drug situation, it could lead to her being arrested. If it’s an abusive relationship it could get her partner caught and I’m sure we’re all aware of how difficult and dangerous it is getting out of an abusive situation. Similarly, if it was an incest situation it could possibly be linked to the family member and that would place a lot of burden on her as well. I’m not saying it justifies it, but I do think they’re possibilities that should be explored. Worst case scenario it’s wrong and the case continues to be cold.
My other theory is that it’s another teenage mom who likely hid her pregnancy and delivered outside of a hospital setting, like the girl from eastern Iowa that was mentioned in the article.
I was only 11 when this took place and at the time my great uncle Mike Racobs was the sheriff. I still remember hearing him tell my mother and father the story and for an 11 year 0ld it was disturbing
I just saw an episode of Dateline about this case. It was mentioned that there were hair samples found in the victim’s hand and they were never tested with current technology..why not?
Has anything else happened with this case? Are the men who were involved still in the area? Has anyone approached them? With this being a popular podcast topic has anyone reached out?
It seems that with technology and memories of someone who might recall something or someone, someone should be brought to justice. We are talking about someones’ daughter,mother,sister,or friend whom was taken from their loved ones suddenly.
Annette Cahill never mentioned the bat before public knowledge. That was a misstatement by investigators that was later recanted. She was convicted on the testimony of a girl who was 9 when she claims to have overheard this confession. There was NO physical evidence linking her to the crime. This is a miscarriage of justice.
One thing I would like to know is if Richard Forsyth has any family around and still living. There hasn’t been any outcry and any family effort to locate him as far as I can tell. The dates are kind of confusing, why wasn’t he reported missing until 1994?
HOW COME FRANK STEARNS , VANDE WEIRD, AND DCI AGENT BILLY BASLER AREN’T IN JAIL? WE THE CITIZENS GOTTA CLEAN UP THE TRASH, ALL COPS AROUND THE WORLD ARE THE DEVIL. THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE, UNDERCOVER CARS, WRITING US TICKETS, WE PAY THEIR SALARY. WHO WOULD BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU? THE DEVIL….. they make and sell meth on the streets. Look at the big houses they got. They all suck cock too
your off your meds is you think Leo from MCPD and CGCSO weren’t involved in either Jody or Gerald cases this commentary might be 2 years old but this day and age after Russell Jensen and that one’s coming up a lot of answers coming too long overdue questions about police corruption cover-ups etc.
Why, because I can read and do my own research based on the facts that are given? I read the State of Iowa Nursing Board filing against the nurse. Nowhere in that document does it show or even mentions most of the claims on this website. As quoted from the document “On January 14, 2004 the Respondent dispensed a topical medication to a hospice client (client A). Although the medication could be administered per physician standing orders the Respondent had obtained the medication from another hospice client’s (client B) home where she had visited prior to her arrival at the home of client A.” The nursing board does not mention stolen medications from a pharmacy, nor does it even reference the medication given as being stolen from client B. That document makes no mention of five people’s deaths, stolen medications, improper care by any family other than this family, or the claims that the nurse admitted to any other charge than the one listed in this report. It does state he was prescribed the medication given. That is the whole summary of the document of wrongdoing found by the State of Iowa nursing board that warranted disciplining the nurse. This website also says that Medicare compiled a 25-page report worth of wrongdoings, nowhere in that document that was done over a year later does it reference or mention a Medicare report listing wrongdoings. As noted from Medicare’s own website “To file a complaint about improper care or unsafe conditions in a hospital, home health agency, hospice, or nursing home, contact your State Survey Agency. The State Survey Agency is usually part of your State’s department of health services.” Medicare refers to different state agencies to investigate claims. So, it is hard to believe the State of Iowa Nursing board would not know of an investigation that was done by other state agencies over this matter.
A second problem with these claims was that he was on temporary hospice. Google temporary hospice it does not come up anywhere in general or even listed in the four levels of hospice care as listed by hospicesect.org. Respecting Lack’s wishes, Dr. Peethambaram called Mercy Hospice in Charles City, Iowa, to set up an afternoon appointment to begin temporary hospice care for the period of the trial and as needed. A problem with claiming that Mayo would put him on temporary hospice is its not allowed, participation in experimental treatments or clinical trials is not allowed because they are considered life-prolonging which goes against the purpose of hospice. From hospicesect.org “Of course, should there be signs of improvement, hospice care can be suspended, and active cancer treatment can be re-started. We keep our patients’ doctors involved in the process all the way through.” “In rare cases chemotherapy, radiation and surgery can be used to relieve pain or other symptoms while receiving hospice care. However, in order to receive these high risk treatments for purposes other than comfort, the individual must stop hospice care “hospicefoundation.org). Third problem with this story is if the patient’s family had thought he had been drug overdosed not once but twice, why didn’t they call 911 and have them taken to an emergency room. From hospicefoundation.org “While hospice should be notified before going to the hospital, a patient can seek other care at any time.” Again, if there was such improper care given and malpractice as claimed in the three days, why didn’t the family seek medical care as stated as above. Since there was nothing stopping him from being seen at any local hospital or even Mayo. Finally, I checked Iowa Courts to see if any malpractice had been filed by the estate of the family or spouse for this outrageous misconduct of care. What did I find nothing, if even a fraction of these claims would have been remotely true it would be any easy malpractice lawsuit yet for some reason I didn’t see any filed.
So, unless you can provide factual evidence which I haven’t seen yet I find this to be outlandish and absurd in its claims. Unless you now think that the Iowa Board of Nursing was also in on his murder since there was no factual evidence to support these claims as referenced in CASE N0 05-365.
In the investigation for the 25 pages of Citations against Nurse Linda D. and Hospice of North Iowa there is medical records documenting the charges of Linda withholding, “stealing” patients’ drugs, withholding Ray Powers drugs before his death, and administering or not resuscitating patients who had orders to be resuscitated, removing drugs from one patient’s home and administering to others without prescriptions for them, (like Ray’s drugs she was Cited for taking from Ray and had dabbed Ray’s DBR gel in the back of Gary’s throat) when I called the Charles City Hospital again to try to get an ambulance on 1/14/2004 as recorded in my notes given to the Iowa Inspection and Appeals Office, Linda refused an ambulance. After the investigation Iowa State Inspection and Appeals issued those 25 pages of Citations against Linda and Hospice of North Iowa for having broken many laws including theft and regarding the portability of Prescription drugs part of those citations involved the citations for the deaths of 5 patients that died during the two days of Linda’s so-called care starting on late 1/12/2004 and ending at Gary’s not even being seen by a doctor or pronounced dead just Linda having his body bagged and Directed to the Mason City Crematorium, without my or our family’s permission. We had been told by Linda, that Gary was dead and he was to be taken at my request to the Champion funeral Home, instead she had gotten Dr. Royer, who had never seen Gary alive or dead to order Gary’s cremation and write up Gary’s death certificate without ever knowing Gary just Linda’s covering up her drug thefts of oxycodone, etc. I had nightmares that Gary was still alive yet when they burned Gary, within a couple hours, right after he was driven to Mason City on 1/14/2004. Linda’s “two days of care”, lack of care, or illegal drug administration, and even the mixing up of the powder she called “kayexalate (in about a cup of water) or the generic version of Sodium Poly-sulfonate in Sorbitol solution” and made Gary drink in our home on the evening of 1/12/2004 in our home and administered to Gary made him so weak and turned Gary’s stools to a gold/yellow then dark coffee grounds on 1/14/2004 and he joked he was a true “Hawkeye”. Burned to cover-up the profiting of illegal drainage and on-going pollution of 1/2 million Iowans drinking water. “Powerful Tea Party Good Ole White Boys that own the 50,000 acres” being illegally drained into the Cedar Valley Group Aquifers by Worth and Mitchell County Engineer, Jim Hyde’s magic marker drawn plans that used to hang up on his Office wall.
Carl you must’ve not read this very closely before typing this up because you specifically typed: “Although the medication could be administered per physician standing orders, the Respondent had obtained the medication from another hospice client’s (client B) home…” This very clearly states that she took the medication from another patients home. Correct me if I am wrong but I am assuming you got this statement directly from the report. You later stated “…nor does it even reference the medication given as being stolen from client B…” No where does it state that he was prescribed this prescription, though it does state that a physician had the option to prescribe this medication.
Another problem I have with your statements is that you have made is that you say that “Google temporary hospice it does not come up anywhere in general or even listed in the four levels of hospice care as listed by hospicesect.org.” Hospice care does not have a standard, Hospice care is provided based on each individuals needs and each facilities capabilities. Not to mention that the link you provided is from a hospice care center in Connecticut not in Iowa or Minnesota which both have different medical guidelines and regulations than a state that is nearly 1300 miles away. Had you read the the article you would have known that the reason that he was put on temporary hospice was because he and Veronica were not able to fully care for each other due to the fact that Veronica was also ill due to the point source pollution that was affecting the water supply at their home as well as a broken leg. The reason you would not find this case on the Iowa Courts website is because it was not taken to trial which is what Iowa Court Online is used for, to search for trail cases and to make payments on said trial cases if necessary. So while you may think that the nurse in question gave you the best possible care, she unfortunately did not give the best possible care to the Lack family and the other patients mentioned at the time. So before you begin to accuse others if slander, I would invite you to some more thorough research and then make sure you are not the one doing the slandering.
Carl, Nurses do not dab DBR gel down someone’s throat when they are gagging on what she put in her notes was blood. I did not know what she was doing or what Ray Powers DBR gel was for, but she made it so Gary choked and could not spit out any vomit and his throat closed and he passed out.
This family seems to have been fully denied justice. There has historically been a great deal of discrimination in how cases are treated based on personal and law enforcement biases, including how the victim is portrayed by the press and potentally even people involved in the disappearance.
With all due respect to the family members, it appears that the siblings have been “vulnerable-adults,” in retrospect. It is very common for abused children to grow up to be vulnerable to other abusive personalities. They fail to see the red flags as having parent(s) with them “normalizes” behaviors others would find alarming.
It’s far from unheard of for a young kidnap victim to be corrupted, and as a result, behave in ways that make them complicit in their own disappearance at that point.
Would it be possible for the mother Helen to have killed her siblings? If not, could Munchausen Syndrome have been passed from mother to daughter? Does any pattern of infant death extend to other relatives of the mothers family? This is a lot of deaths, with no conclusive evidence. You’d think a family member would insist on resolution.
After reading the case evidence and the comments, I think it is the responsibility of the Cedar Rapids Police and Iowa State Patrol to solve these cases, when it is obvious to most what should be looked at. All of the evidence is there but needs a fresh set of eyes to see what others have missed. My curiousity lies with Jaymie’s autopsy. This child was 6 years old and not only had Ecoli but cirrhosis of the liver? I am so curious as to why a child of this age would have the ailments described by the medical examiner and secondly, when was the last time she had been to the doctor? Too many grey areas that need brought back into the light! The family needs closure and it is time to talk to Vicki again, because I think there is waaaaay more to this story than what she had told!
I agree. It needs to be explained why Jaymie had all of those pathologies at the time of her death. She SHOULD have been showing symptoms. The anoxic encephalopathy is caused by complete loss of blood flow to the brain and is typically found in coma patients who have suffered cardiac arrest, or drug overdose, or other SERIOUS incidents. She had cirrhosis, pneumonia and e-coli poisoning. She would have not seemed healthy – she probably would have been underweight and lethargic, possibly coughing, vomiting, diarrhea, etc.
Are there any reports about what she was like before her death?
Les Kennedy is GUILTY as sin. He is also a retired shriff. go figure. I am really sorry to the family and friends of Kimberly. He will pay don’t You worry in this life or the afterlife.
Are there any siblings of Matt still around in Cedar Rapids? I went to Washington HS with him. He was my friend. We had gym class together and he was my partner in the weight lifting part of that gym class. I have a story to tell them that I’ve never told anyone before. It was when we played football in gym class. It was the jocks against the lesser persons. Something we did during that one game that I need to tell a sibling or it will be lost forever. It’s a great story. Please contact me. At gwdrmmer@msn.com.
If peope have problems with people stay away from them killing them is not the answer and there is people who would take them babies and give them a.loving home I know I would have you peope will answer to our Lord for what you’ve done
Psychological Analysis
Trauma From “Shotgun wedding” using sonic attack weapon – hearing voices
He was probably dumped by his (assumed) Catholic bait-and-switch girlfriend and he failed to marry the other unbeknowst girl. The reason that he went to work when he didn’t have to was he mistakenly thought the other girl was work, reasoning work and pregnancy (what pregnancy?) were synonymous. Thus, he was hypnotically induced to walk barefoot via sonic device to punish his “cold feet” for marriage. As further punishment he was induced to hide behind the coolers to be with the only labor he could conceive. The “other girl” was a total enigma to him and the real girl wanted to hide her relationship even though it was over. He would not find the other women even though his life depended upon it. Loose ends were left for the real girl which apparently was a desperate situation for her. She couldn’t get relationships tidied up quickly enough. Something hidden, but what?
Possible relevance, merely a hunch: Pottawattomie Tribe Casino (Gun Lake Casino) near Grand Rapids, MI. (Names and places, work, loves are scrambled to hide something.)
There is no reason why the young unidentified lady shouldn’t have been identified by now. Forensic technology has progressed to such a point where skeletons provide usable DNA and a more specific age of the victim. That being true, why has she been left forgotten in an unmarked grave?
John, I agree with your comment. However, it costs money to have those tests. Also, I wonder if they took any samples that could be sent. If not they may have exhume her remains. That normally requires a court order and money.
December 26th 2019 wanted to wish you a Merry Christmas let you know how much you’re missed I will keep you relevant till the day I die I love you with the depth of my soul I wanted to introduce you to our new granddaughter her name is Evie Jo Lynn she is Sir David’s daughter and she is absolutely beautiful I want you to wrap your hands around Darius for he leaves January 2nd for the Middle East keep your hands around us protect us as you have done all this time ..
I wonder if they ran their truck driver information through the FBI. They created a database on over the road truckers involved in various crimes. If not they also ask them to add their description information to the system.
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I’m sorry but the guy you’re looking for has been long dead since 1997 I won’t go into details because he was a distant relative but I’m pretty sure if you look in the police file your notice that her panties were stolen from her
I hate seeing negative comments about my cousin do y’all ever stop to think her kids gets on here and reads this!!!! Long live my cousin Johnita aka Boss Lady
I wonder if the woman involved in the crime might have worked at the brothel, and may have thought that would have been a large sum of money on the premises. So, she gets her boyfriend or someone else to help steal the money. It seems to appear that the victims may have known one or both offenders. I find it interesting that a large sum of money, was actually found in the trunk of Woodring’s car.
The other thought as that it was someone that had been involved in any of Woodring’s previous criminal activities, and felt he was owed some money.
Maybe she was not an old fart by his standards. I am involved with a woman is about 6 years older me. She was a good looking woman then and now. I also love my grandkids and great grandkids.
Also, her husband sounds like he was abusive and felt safe with the victim. This is at a time that domestic violence was not exactly dealt with by law enforcement and the courts.
This guy sometimes stayed in a camper right behind my trailer. Basically, the cops came and asked “Are you Lee Allan Rolfe?” He said “Sure am!” and then they said “Are you from Iowa?” He said “Sure am!” Then they said “do you know why we’re here?” He said “Sure do!”, turned around, put his hands behind his back.
It seems like the family has their ideas already, but there has always been this weird drug scene between Cedar Rapids, Center Point, Urbana, Palo, Shellsburg, and Vinton that has claimed lives. He might have just been involved with the wrong people and that’s it. Just because he made some poor life choices it doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve justice though.
This morning a photo tip and information was submitted via email to the detective listed above, Det. Brian Mathis, with the Des Moines, IA Police Department. This information was shared with admins from the FB page dedicated to helping move this investigation forward through help from the public, as well as another FB group working to give exposure to the many missing persons in northwest Missouri and surrounding areas.
We hope Detective Mathis will give this information review and investigation if it has not been previously submitted.
I hope this information pans out. I am surprised that no lawyer would take on the State of Iowa, and their handling of his case and care.
Here in Cook County, we have a Public Guardian, one of the toughest one finally became a judge. But, he and the current one did not hesitate to take on local and private facilities for their improper care and treatment.
In fact the Public Guardian recently filed suit in federal court against a facility in the Chicago area. So it can be done.
In Dec 1904..a very pregnant Ella Fox Barrett with the homeowner and wife were killed before house set ablaze…the two ladies were beaten to death and laid very respectfully on a bed while the man of the house was beheaded and axe was left on the floor next to his body…axe was always left in out house…so killer retrieved it from there…this happened in Monticello Arkansas. Today that site remains one of the most haunted places in America.
I was just recently living with someone named william halterman here in knoxville iowa and while staying with him i was getting bad vibes and sketched out by some of the things he was doing so i looked him up and found this about Beth Ricketts. Pryor to finding this while at wal-mart with him he’d made a comment about how he lost a significant other when she was out shopping and i didn’t think much of it til finding this. Ive asked “Bill” william halterman about this incident and with a stutter and look in his face denied it but from his facial expressions, body language i truly felt and still believe it was him. Bill currently left Knoxville and told people he was moving to mississippi but i dont feel he did cause his life is a lie and honestly think hes down in chariton iowa cuz i didn’t and believe it and actually he was seen in knoxville and stayed at red carpet motel. I honestly feel and put it on all i love i believe it was the “Bill” William Halterman i know.
I just wamna respond to your email and let you know im more than willing to talk to you about my experience with “Bill” William Halterman. My contact # 515-468-5291 feel free to call me at any time when you have the time and ill give you evey lil bit of information i possibly can in regards to this case and be more than happy to put this case to an end and curious minds to rest. Thank you
Shane, I’m Beth’s daughter. I appreciate your honesty and willingness to come forward on here to tell us your experiences with that man. I truly believe what you’re saying is real due to what I knew of him as a child. I’m offering you my email in case you have any questions or would like to tell me anything you didn’t feel comfortable putting on here. Paul is a detective currently working on my moms case and has held true to every promise he has made to my family. It’s been very refreshing. If you don’t want to speak to me maybe reach out to him. Of course no one will ever know who gave any information; we are just trying to close this case and move on finally with our lives. My email is ilovejeeps380@gmail.com. I would love to hear more about your experience and see if just your small time with him could help solve this case. You could honestly be the key and I’m so grateful for you. You have no idea!!! It’s been so hard especially since we are about to come on another death date without any answers. Again whatever you decide I just really appreciate you! I look forward to hearing back from you!
These recent exchanges from Shane, Sgt. Parizek, and Shanda illustrate the positive outcome that can be realized when the community (i.e. the people who know something about a particular case; even if it seems trivial, it may make a difference), law enforcement, and family members work together.
I commend all three of you (sincere condolences Shanda & family).
I hope something positive comes out of this. Keep us posted if something comes of this (to the degree it is appropriate) if you don’t mind.
I would also add that the other entity in this positive equation is online message forums such as Iowa Cold Cases that, in this case, brings the community, law enforcement, and family members and friends together.
I think it’s pretty cool that law enforcement monitors this site for potential leads.
I am the granddaughter of Cecil Earl Paris I’m the daughter of his son Cecil pearl Paris or Cecil Paul Paris As my dad changed his name later I’m the second of six children. My name is Linda Faye Paris My birth name is Linda Fae Paris and my mothers name was Ruby Fae Dollar my siblings names are Donna Kay Paris me Linda Faye Paris my sister Kathy Lee Paris my brother Daviid Michael Paris and our little sister Michelle Renee Paris I was told all my life that my grandfather Cecil was a train robber. So that shows that no one really ever talked about what really happened. I don’t think he was gambling that night he was a good man doing his job to take care of his wife and five children. God knows what happened and he is our vindicator. Any family that would like to talk to me you may Email me at daisyfaye54@gmail.com. We send things to all who helped with this article. I wish I could’ve gotten to know him. It’s also very sad especially that he was maligned by saying he was a robber of trains. It’s so very sad but I’m glad we know the truth now.
Cecil was never involved with any criminal activity that I’m aware of. The only connection the family has to robbers involved an in-law marrying into the Dalton Gang. Nothing involving Cecil at all.
Hey mom it’s me again writing on your birthday… adriana will be 5 next month! I got out of Iowa, now living in Oregon with the love of my life. Things are going well :)
I hope you have a happy heavenly birthday. Miss and love you dearly ♡ GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN
My son was her son Andrew’s best friend. It was just fate that my son did not go to that house after school that day as was the norm.
This always seemed like a domestic situation and the perp was someone she knew. There was no forced entry and the house was uncustomarily locked.
I agree that it suggests the husband was involved. There is no mention of husband in the original investigation of her death. He is only mentioned in the obituary.
As I had known her parents (now deceased) since youth, as I recall the husband had an indisputable alibi. The family had recently had new flooring installed in the house. Her parents always felt those individuals played some part in it as they had been supplied a key. As I recall at the time she was a stay at home mom.
Frank was my grandfather and I am praying someone will finally come forward with information since all the people we assume are involved are deceased. It would be a miracle to finally give my family some closure.
Anthony Lee Evans, I grew up in the neighborhood where he was killed in a hit in run. My best friends dad drove a white dodge pickup. My friends and I always wondered if he was the one that hit Anthony. I was only 12 at the time so we never really thought it was possible someone we knew could have done this. He was also a friend of law enforcement and medical personnel. He could have done it on accident and gotten away with it. He died in an accident himself shortly after so I believe this may be why this mystery has gone unsolved. I have absolutely know sure facts or proof so that is why I am leaving all names and addresses out. I always found it suspicious that this killing was not investigated or reported on further. Maybe him having friends in law enforcement helped keep this quite. But if you drive down St. Joe hill you can still see that little boys memorial and picture by the side of the road as far as I know. Very sad
I am Ronette’s step-daughter and I am still local. I am currently educating myself on what happen to Ronnie. I remember her so vividly and I want to know what happen to her. My Dad is still alive, and that is all I will say in regards to him.
This woman was my aunt, her brother was my dad. My dad always said over the years that she was killed by either Frank Sr. or Frank Jr. My father was instrumental in getting her body returned to Moline, IL.and having a proper funeral and burial in Riverside Cemetary, Moline, IL. This was a very devastating event for him. He remained adamant until he passed away that she was murdered by her family. I was only a child when this happened but I remember that she was a sweet lady. It was a very sad thing for my father and it bothered him terribly that no one was either brought to justice for taking her life.
I was in grade school with Dorothy Miller’s grandson at Black Hawk Elementary School. I remember it very well as we all were marched outside the school ‘single file’ and Tony was taken away. We didn’t understand the disruption and one of our classmates being taken home mid-day. Scary and eerie, still. Of course parents talked and made it all more mysterious as it was hush-hush. I’m curious as to whether her daughter and grandson are still in the area or even alive.
Melody N.
Melody N. This is Rob, Tony’s younger brother. We moved to Bettendorf in 1076, then to West DesMoines where Tony graduated highschool. We moved to Kansas City area in 1981, he went into Air Force basic training and after an honorable discharge due to an injury. Then we all somehow ended up in Texas where he worked for HEB grocery stores. Unfortunately he passed away from esophageal cancer in 2014. He would love it that you remembered him after all this time. I appreciate you inquiring about him.
My mother, Dorothy’s daughter is still doing well in Texas and is a
very active 80. I was only 5 and Tony was 7. My mother and I still hope somehow they will determine who my grandmothers killer was. We were definitely impacted when she was taken from us and having that closure would mean so much. Thanks for your note. I hope you get this as I am just now seeing it.
Rob Craven my name is Sue my mom was Frances Hardin Beardsley. Her dad was a cousin of your grandmother. I have read about Dorothy. I’m working on our family history and would like to know if it’s ok to add this to it since it’s part of our family history. Plus if it’s ok can you tell me about your mom, brother and your self. If you would rather it be a private thing just let me know and we could figure out a way to connect each other
Hey everyone, after talking to my dad who lived about an hour away from the Des Moines area from 1971-1989 (around the same age as Eugene at the time of his disappearance) I recently learned about a possible suspect: a well-known teacher that around the area named Mark Glascock. Overall an extremely creepy guy that my dad and the kids his age stayed away and was infamous for the pedophilic rumors that surrounded him. Might want to take a look.
If you truly do encourage thoughtful discussions that are respective of others please take the rantings of anon on Jeffrey Rose down! My children and grandchildren do not deserve to have to relive any of this hatefulness!
Diana, how are these “hateful”? How are they “rantings”? These are factual newspaper accounts from the beating death of your son. These are factual newspaper accounts from the trial, which report your own sworn testimony.
You sound like someone who either wants to re-write history and deny reality, or who wants to cover up a crime.
Your son was beaten to death. Let’s hear an admission to this undeniable truth from your mouth (or your keyboard). And since you appear to be the only living person who knows exactly what happened, perhaps you can enlighten us now as to who was responsible, and exactly what they did.
Also Diana, don’t you think that your children and grandchildren deserve to know the truth so that they can make *informed* decisions regarding who to allow their own children to have unsupervised contact with?
This isn’t an unsolved murder. Someone was brought to trial for it and found not guilty. Law enforcement likely believes they arrested the correct person and there isn’t any more investigation to be done. If you have information to the contrary please share it with the appropriate authorities.
I pray that you never experience what we did! People just like you are why details are misconstrued in the media! You need to find something in your life that gives you joy and try to focus on that rather than trying to destroy someone else! A judge ruled there was no evidence to charge anything! Why would you think that is?
@Concerned Citizen, child abuse medicine was in its infancy back then, and our judiciary was in denial. Someone tortured baby Jeffery to death, either William or Diana, or both of them. Please specifically identify what you audaciously claim was “misconstrued in the media.” On a related note, the murdered boy’s nieces, who are now old enough to be parents themselves, or almost old enough to be parents themselves, need to be able to make an INFORMED decision as to whether or not to allow their children (if they have any) to have contact with Diana. The family structure appears to be built on lies, denial, and cover-up, which is unsafe, dangerous, unhealthy, and perpetuates dysfunction from generation to generation
Find a new hobby and let the justice system do it’s job as it did back in 1969. The entire family is aware of this story and it changes nothing. “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone.” John 8:7
You must be a family member in denial. And I reiterate that the murdered boy’s nieces need to be able to make an *informed* decision as to whether or not to allow their children (if they have any) to have contact with Diana, and, if so, whether supervised, unsupervised, etc.
Yes, I’m a family member. They’re my parents and I’m lucky enough to be their daughter. My parents are (were) great parents and both my brother and myself are successful members of society that they raised, loved and supported every step of the way. Again, get off your high horse and quit harassing people you know nothing about.
Murders like like this piss me off because here you have a young man making an honest living and gets killed for a few dollars in change by lazy people who should get a job
As far as I’ve heard there is nothing new. I need to call the Sheriff and talk to him again. I wish it was just solved. Sometimes I guess I run out of what to do next. But, I won’t stop trying.
I hope they interviewed people at the auction. Seems to me someone may be going to specific auctions, watching buyers and later stalking and robbing people who are vulnerable. Very sorry for the family.
Jaymis, I was wondering, where in the case summary (or the Telegraph Herald story) did it mention that your father’s name was James L Shireman? I’ve looked but cannot find it. (BTW, if this comment disappears within a day or so it’s because ICC is currently migrating to a new server and the backup zip file has already been saved and being transferred.) If your father’s middle name and/or initial were printed incorrectly in an archived newspaper article, I (obviously) would have no way of changing that, but do realize the importance of having correct names cited.
Hey David you’re so miss I wanted to stop and tell you your first grandchild a girl has made her grand entrance into this world it’s so crazy how much she looks like greedy it’s even much more crazy how much I think that you and I are both part of this child because of our child people watching over all of them for I know you have blessed your children and are watching them always Darius will be leaving soon please keep an eye on him wrap your arms tightly around then and keep you safe your one and only I love you forever and ever
Many people around Clinton are saying he owed alot of money to drug dealers and that he ran into someone he owed that night and got taken. I honestly think that is highly unlikely because from what I’ve read from people who knew him very well said he never got into much trouble and didn’t do drugs.
The Washta access would be located along a more or less direct route to Storm Lake, which does have a large Asian population. I wonder if that area was ever focused on?
On a bus trip to visit his parents, Des Moines resident Robert McCullough was shot in the head sometime after 23 February 1947. His remains were discovered near half a year later in rural Johnson County. No suspect was ever identified.
The remains of John Zauhar were discovered in Boone in 1947. The coroner determined the man had died by “felonious means.” His killer was never identified.
Although the 1950 slashing death of Neva Andrews of Cherokee was never positively determined a homicide, there seems ample reason to infer E.M. Lyman was involved.
Seems to be a dearth of unsolved murders in DSM between the years of 1922 and 1951. Was there ever any resolution to the strangulation of schoolgirl Evelyn Lee in 1930, Floyd Alloway’s shooting in 1937, or Anne McGrevey’s arson death in 1948?
Not much detail here. Any relation of the victim to David Morris, 67, whose 23 February 1973 gunshot murder, barely a mile away, went unsolved less than a year later?
Scenny Tate and Omon Watson have long-standing fostercare cases. There has been a lot of activity in both cases since they were reported missing. Looks like Scenny Tate’s mom is Scenny Pleas and dad’s name is Tyrone Tate and that Omon Watson’s mom is Scenny Pleas and Cyris Watson is Omon Watson’s dad. In May of 2018, both Scenny Tate and Omon Watson were “PLACED IN TEMPORARY CARE & CUSTODY OF TAKIYRAH DYE PENDING FURTHER ORDER OF THE COURT.”
Since the aggressor Was comfortable with dead bodies and was reported to take the time comfortably to go through the Wallet – has anyone collected the DNA of all the undertakers that were at the conference?
They just can’t “collect” their DNA. The police can ask for the convention members for permission but lacking that permission there is no way that the visitors can be compelled to give up their DNA. And after forty years how do they find out who attended?
Recently another investigator took on the case. It looks like a Serial Killer and heroin addict drifter killed in 1970 and 1984 so far also. All three have male victims face down, bludgeoned in the back of the head, chairs pulled up with wallet contents emptied, and toothpaste squirted out (which a sex ejaculation simulation for heroin addicts). The suspect died in 1984 but they are trying to get his body exhumed to see if it matches male DNA they have from 2 of the 3 murder scenes so far.
I am wondering if this is the same Dennis Moore that I knew @ Kirkwood Com College in Cedar Rapids back in 1970 he lived at a trailer park in Marion . Any info would add some closure to those who knew Dennis .Thank You
So glad that suspicion can be shifted away from Roger’s widow, Marcella. I’ve never once thought she was involved, and have always leaned towards it being a stranger attack, and after watching the DNA of Murder with Paul Holes on Oxgen, I am even more convinced
It was a serial killer just watched an episode where similar things like hatched wallet and chair and toothpaste was found at 2 other hotel off interstates one 10weeks before this happened and another in 1970
John (Eberly) Flanscha, the youngest son / sibling, passed away on 10/6/19. I think the fact he & his family recognizes LeRoy as his biological father yet is silent on Ruth as his biological mother speaks volumes.
I feel like someone followed the woman. Not necessarily her spouse even. She may or may not have known she was being stalked. Someone she rebuffed even. Because whoever committed the crime knew her and her info. That is why they didn’t bother with her wallet. I would look for a connection with the guys widow. I think someone from Rose’s area went to Rogers widow’s area and made contact. Maybe even relocated to the area.
I watched “A Secret Affair” on October 8th, 2019. The Detective had mentioned that the killer started to write something on the door; the killer left one word…..”THIS”.
My Takeaway:
Right away, I thought that the word “THIS” could be an acronym because; the four letters were ALL capitalized……these letters could possibly stand for “Four Words”…..
Bless the families of these 2 victims…..for their loss. Bless the 2 victims for the horrendous acts of violence that they endured.
what was the reason they picked Iowa for a romantic get away? Iowa is totally not romantic. I think there is something behind the location they picked. or the affair was discovered by the wife of Roger or the father of Rose’s child. I can see where the father of Rose’s child might think ‘cha ching’ no child support i i fix the problem, just create an alibi while i head to IA for a few hours. Was anyone they knew tied with the undertakers conference held at the time? So many unanswered questions.
They wanted to go someplace where no one knew them because he was married and this particular hotel has a water park, which would have been a unique attraction at the time.
I watched Dr Oz today and saw this case with Rose and Roger, there is conflicting information, the show said that Rose was turned over and covered up, but i did research, and this website shows where i saw it, that she in fact was also face down when found: (Both Burkert and Atkison lay face down on the bed, the back of their skulls slashed and caved in by repeated blows from either an ax or hatchet.) I remember hearing on the Dr Oz show that she was turned over and covered up stating that the perpetrator possibly knew her and had remorse. So the article is very conflicting. My in-laws live in St Joe and I so badly want to be a forensic scientist but not always is the evidence accurately reported. Back in high school we had this assignment to whisper in our neighbors ear a certain comment, but only aloud to say it that one time, then it would to around the room until the last person heard it. The last person would say it out loud. It was never what it started out to be. Unfortunately we do not always get the accurate information to help cases that are unsolved. I love Dr Oz though and will still research research research. I don’t know either party involved but since it is close to home, i am interested in closure.
I was Rose’s best friend and I know it was said they were both found face down, but I believe that Paul Holes knows what he is talking about. Maybe the fact that Rose was moved after her murder and covered up is just something the detectives wanted to keep to themselves. So, if they ever had someone come to them it would be something only the detectives and the killer would know.
also if the fact that she was moved after the murder and detectives wanted to keep it to themselves it is now out there. Given that it is important that we know as much as possible to figure it out. Nice to meet you Tammy, and sorry for your loss.
No there was no child support being paid and they hadn’t had contact in quite awhile. He had never seen the child. And thank you for caring. I have a good idea and everything I hear about the show is that Paul Holes came up with quite a bit of stuff and I think we will get lots of answers. He says he won’t give up till the case is solved.
another point to consider is on the Oz show the word ‘This’ s on the door, but the articles state it was on the ‘Mirror’ in the bathroom. Just trying to find out why the inconsistencies to get to the real facts. It may seem like nothing but can be a HUGE difference in solving the case. so what is it?
Who was booked for room 260 and then canceled? Also who booked room 260 and never returned a key to front desk. Sounds like someone had a key to that room.
Could “THIS” be intended as an acronym for something? Like, “The Heathen Inherit Suffering” or something like that? If he was religious maybe someone in his family was outraged about the affair.
I think that the word THIS is someone initials…. Ex. Tom Henry Irving Senior. I don’t know why but it just makes sense that it initials. I think it probably was for the money in those days men probably wouldn’t search women or believe women kept money. Probably felt disappointment when the cards were being flicked on the floor. A remorse for killing women maybe is reason he covered Rose. I am thinking serial killer
First of all, how good was her ex,s alibie? People have been know to pass polygraphs. If he can do that to a dog and she needed protection from him, he would be my focus! Also is it possible that he spit in the tub or something and covered it up with the toothpaste, did they test the toothpaste for dna. They found male dna, did they re test some of the suspects dna?
I can answer some of your questions, the ex had an alibi in his job. Timecard showed he was there and people claim to have seen him that night at work, I believe. Also, yes the DNA has been run against many suspects and if they are deceased, then their families DNA was tested. I’m not sure it has been tested against every single possible suspect yet though.
I think Rose had a stalker …woukd explain going so far away. Would explain why the did not feel the need to check her wallet . They knew her info also I think he most likely then went to his widows area next
I wonder Sandra was living in Fort Dodge. The authorities should have that information. The other question is did she belong to any specific tribe. There are a number of Indian reservations in other parts of the country. The other problem is missing Native-American women don’t get the attention they should.
Here’s the one thing I find strange about this case. Why was her work bag taken, with her computer, and stuff in it? Was it taken for the value? The fact that all her belongings were found on the ground, with the exception of her work bag, has puzzled me for the simple fact that this had to be a quick kidnapping, with no time to asses her belongings in the dark. Either this was a crime of opportunity, or someone staged it to be that way. You would think if it was someone who was watching her work schedule, they would have driven away that day seeing that her car was still sitting there, when she usually leaves at that time thinking maybe she was sick that day. They knew that going into that apartment and raising a commotion would be a problem with others that lived there, and would have to make as little noise as possible. So they checked off going in. They needed her in that parking lot, to make a quick transition of getting her into a vehicle. Either someone knew she was running late, or they were waiting for a woman to leave that apartment in the dark, at 4:00 in the morning. I wonder if they have a list of everyone that was in that campground that week.
I wondered about that as well, and what kind of bag it was if it had her laptop in it, could it have been a messenger style bag that she’d worn diagonal across her chest, while her purse would have been in her hand or over her shoulder and used as a weapon when she was grabbed? There were mentions of her taking a self defense class prior to this happening, so my first thought when I read that her things were scattered around the parking lot, was that she might have used the bad to try and defend herself causing everything to get flung around, but a messenger bag would have been secured against her, if she was wearing it across her chest, and so they wouldn’t have had to take the time to grab it because it would have been on her when they grabbed her. Such a sad case, all of them on here are, I hope someday they are all solved.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MY LOVE….Hey just want you to know you have a granddaughter coming and Darius is leaving for the middle east please wrap your arms around Darius a little tighter and keep an extra eye on him please…I love and miss you and things have never been the same….Love you always and forever
now where are the photos of indivuals of perhaps suspects, I would like to see them, and share them if someone knows them they can get in touch with the police, I hope they find the person or persons who did this
I found that odd too.
Just a theory but could him & his gf been having “relations” in bed & got into a fight?
Maybe she assaulted him & then realized he was dead?
Then she drags him out of the house since she can’t carry him & then concocts this sorry of him “going out for a jog.”
She then try’s to “throw off police” by giving them a different story then she did his family.
To me it’s clear that she did this.
Is she still alive?
Soooo… why did she agree to drive further wait I’m confused I thought they were going down the street just to pick up the girl why they go to some other place
If you look at findagrave.com, there have been quite a few infant deaths in Iowa with the last name Ritcher. Assuming they are related somehow, it makes you wonder if there is a congenital issue.
All I know is my brother has been missing. Bryan Ashley Howser. Someone knows something and has seen something,As far as Anne yes they did have an age difference but I do not think that she had anything to do with this. I know he jumped off the Scott avenue Bridge. His body was not recovered.
“The convenience store where Brian Schappert was killed is now a tattoo parlor.” It’s not relevant really, but that isn’t accurate since about 2016. I think it’s a great clips now.
Heath, thanks so much for the info regarding the location where Brian Schappert was killed. I’ve updated his case summary to reflect those details. The summaries are written contemporaneously to include whatever information is on file at the time, and though the crime details remain the same, homes and buildings go on to be sold, converted to other businesses, and sold yet again. With so many cases to track, we’re ever so thankful when readers bring to our attention the subsequent changes in the business ownership. There’s nothing better than when astute readers point out the transformations of these historical properties. It matters a great deal, and keeps the general public informed of the historical timeline of these real estate transactions. Thanks for taking the time to share these details with us!
Aimee, have you contacted the Des Moines Police Department to ask why her case is listed as an unsolved homicide or confirm this is the same Becky Palmer? You’d want to reference case number 1990-40843. (The info we have listed above came directly from the DMPD, though it is all the info we have on file for the case. I’ve searched archives, but was unable to come up with any additional material on the case.)
I remember I was 11 years old and I was at a family friend’s birthday party up the street across from the bakery when this happened. I remembered the police not letting anyone get near the accident some kept saying it was a little boy. I than saw him on the news and every time we drove by this area I would see his picture on a marker next to the sidewalk and I would ask god to please help his family to please help us find who did this. To this day I remember his name and wonder how can anyone be so cruel!! and not stop.
Cedar Rapids Police officially closing this case. Per the article, they are confident they know the two men who are responsible for the robbery but not sure which of the two, if not both, actually committed the murder. Regardless, both are culpable. Both are now deceased (may they rot in hell).
They have disclosed the names and other pertinent information to the family, I presume that brings the family some measure of comfort.
Seems like he was a good man with a bright future gone too soon. Thoughts & Prayers to the family for this senseless act.
Becomes cause for concern,when personal vendetta.s whether real or imagined matters by individuals making statements known and proven False, yet lay false claims by social media and talk among themselves leading us the readers to see there are individuals determined to to see the woman accused be prosecuted and judged for a crime that of which she suffers for apparently no more reason than simply knowing the deceased.
As I read this Case let me say this You can call everyone among the deceased family .school mates community .work place just as suspect because they also knew the deceased,find record of high school students that he had altercation with accuse them as well,I read he worked at a Bar/Grill,Those who frequented Well Knew him too. Murder is a tragedy ,to accuse someone for nothing more than knowing the deceased is a grave matter,i read that false statements submitted to authorities have been stricken from admissible in this case due to being proven false shall we say[a.k.a lie?] and other statements with nothing to support them apart from hearsay or persons that likely have clouded judgement because of their proximity to the deceased_I can understand these people wanting Justice for a deceased relative ,but I am left questioning why would these be so adamant in wanting the defendant Cahill be convicted _that they lay proven false statements to her guilty yet NO EVIDENCE Supports their claims what-so-ever except that she knew Weineke. as a former girlfriend however I read a fiance is listed ,obviously also knowing him,As a former Bartender myself I can tell you very few bartenders ever can say they are without some enemies and grudges held against them, after Bartending,nor can they say they did not witness some things in their careers that have throughout time, been the very same things that that got persons killed,In these environments you have all manner of things possible contributing to alter peoples minds thoughts and cloud their perspectives whether you know it for a fact or not _it is not pleasant to hear but threats fly at bartenders who any other day may call these same friends_Threats are common For reasons often unbeknownst to any one other than the barred patrons or jealous wives husbands who feel the bartender is aiding and abetting .known or suspected cheating spouses even accusing bartenders of contributing to the destruction of their relatives by merely serving them, or adding to the problems they experience in the home because of an alcoholic patron who becomes inebriated then goes home and abuses his or her family ,then there are passers thru unknown to locals who are treated hostile or become hostile.even local altercations where threats to life and limb are frequently overheard or encountered and sworn to be carried out by hostility for a 100 different reasons in any given event..Every Bartender has known of fights that cost injury that may or may not be life threatening to the parties involved, When the Bartender must break up these or phone local law enforcement and it is not un common to result in Jail time or Charges filed on the party or parties involved-fights break out and threats fly its relatively normal that these can and do happen guns are pulled -fights and threats over money owed You name it, can and will continually be a given in this environment ,any bartender can recount of deaths either by murder ,injury or accidental and involve violence by beating -stabbing and shootings which can occur beginning in the bar and later outside or follow up to individual homes at a later time-Bars have Drive gunfire resulting in bullets put into them or property vehicles its all happened and every bartender knows of a time/times or multiple events that could be attributed to bar life and frequenting or working in these places.where you know the parties or knew of the ones involved as well as those who died _measures are taken to minimize these occasions but they still happen! If one could be accused tried and convicted of homicide for simply having known a person even dated or hated a person and then prosecuted with nothing more to prove guilt by having known that person or persons_Well I do not need to say further how empty the streets would be today!
I am more than a little Questioning how one can find someone guilty with NO HARD EVIDENCE Much less NO EVIDENCE to PROVE GUILT.I also read that the matter rests heavily on a childs testimony obviously confused by the divorce of her parents -her dads questionable habits .her moms grief and unhappiness and the entrants of other women into her life .What Kid would not wish to blame all of these parties for what she is living amidst as a result of all this,But that is not grounds to prosecute them of Murder!
Fact is Murder happens in these scenarios more frequently than most of us care to think.
It cause me considerable thought that the deceased persons family would single out Cahill and want her charged when it just as obvious that their was happenings going on that would implicate a fair amount of other likely suspects with considerably more motive and these are not tried for the same due to lack of evidence -I also Find it hard to comprehend cahill able to bludgeon a man Weinekes size as he appears in the photo and he put up no resistance that likely would have left visible signs of the incident on the perpetrator and certainly fingerprints and other evidence at the scene_This Case Bothers me From reading what is known _I cannot find anything in the facts surrounding the case that indicates any thing other than the deceased families obvious determination to blame cahill for their relatives death It even shows necessity and revenge In these scenarios it is easy to speculate what all is not being said and that’s where the hidden Truth Lies in my opinion of course a persons relatives would omit other known occasions .we know by reading they happened given what is presented,another thing that fails to surface in this is Weinekes daughter if such despite is still held against cahill -Why? even More what was the Child witnessing in her fathers behavior what was she hearing in her mothers distress over an affair and what was she hearing at her grandmothers house ,That so clearly shows a families need to cast the entire distress of the family by the events occurring Yet Not even Remotely lays blame to the childs Father for causing nor contributing to their grief -the Mother understandable favors her son but he clearly was a Large part of his familys distress -What was he telling his family that was fueling their animosity upon her to leave consideration of other suspects out of the Question. Makes me wonder who is being left out of this equation that carried out a threat- I find it hard to believe given the Known facts surrounding Mr Weinekes death that his behavior was not making quite a few enemies ,and I believe the parties who would file erroneous statements and claims that would later be determined false was hearing the same in a ongoing way We Know in a childs mind would not be discriminating as to discerning the whole truth what she was hearing,but would be accepting as fact what her relatives were saying among themselves ,We Know memories Change and given the Stress and grief of her dads death would we be hearing her family discuss and blame ,this same childwould not have reason to question what she was hearing in a judicial way -causing her memories to be more based on her understanding of what other members of her family were saying_We cannot come to a time where courts can Execute the tenets of Law on this Clearly obvious Bias-which then becomes the sole element by which to sentence a person to life with out parole and call this JUSTICE! I am Seeing Some Similarities in other cases that should be cause for everyones concern , not to mention what appears on social media to seed the public in a way we can best coin Covert manipulation,knowing full well the desired effect one who does this would be wanting to attain by using this method of poisoning the pot shall we say detracting from the Integrity of the defense in a way that clearly shows the similarity between the submission of statements that were proven false in an earlier hearing, Our Hopes and Prayers are Solely For Justice & Truth Based upon what we know so far _ Any Court that could hand down a judgement with no EVIDENCE Whatsoever to Substantiate the GUILT of the defendant in this case with the added erroneous statements made to the court -in lieu of their proven falseness! Should be cause for EVERYONES CONCERN! Personally I do understand the Deceased.s family their need for closure and they wish to see their relatives killer or killer’s brought to Justice !The Fact is 2 wrongs do not make a right nor does that in anyway resemble JUSTICE_to even consider that the lack of EVIDENCE is not COINCIDENTAL when you are accusing the wrong individual is it_IF the COURT hears the Evidence that likely still remains if the Guilty party was being tried -this also would most Likely bring new Evidence to light with guilty parties known associates. I only Pray That A grief does not cause a serious INJUSTICE before the Eyes of GOD Closure can never happen in this way And it by no means can be called JUST!
happy birthday in heaven corrine I so wish you would have been able to live you life and I pray they find the demonic evil person who took you to soon from your loved ones …
I wonder if someone did not care for her free spirit. She served her country, and someone decided she deserved to suffer maybe for some thing that she may have said or done. I like that the authorities have not released even basic details such if there were any signs of a forced entry, any signs of a struggle.
I wonder if she had any connection to the beating of Mr. Hieber. Since the incident took place in the same jurisdiction. I wonder why the landlord claimed he fell after getting out of the shower. Did she witness him falling down, was the floor wet leading to where he allegedly fell.
Amanda, I like that his brother Dennis and a friend Michael Followill, were also involved in the robbery. But Jerry killed Mr. Horner. I guess stealing $5.25, was not enough. It sounds like something he might be connected to the murder of George Keller. I wonder if they ever followed up and interviewed him.
The other question is what happened to his brother Dennis and Mr. Followill. Did they ever do anytime for their involvement in the crime, which led to the death of Mr. Horner.
Mr Kerrigan I’m the one who turned States evidence on them for murdering Mr. Horner. I want you to know that they are responsible for more murders .when I got Mike to tell me what happened I was so horrified learning about Mr. Horner death that when he told me that there were others all I could say over and over was how could you guys do that.
I can promise you they did chicken George’s murder but I can’t prove it also Jerry made sure they each did one so they wouldn’t tell on each other I heard them fighting about it one night.
Is there anything official that is documented publicly that shows that authorities mishandled the DNA or have a poor unusable sample? I see comments mentioning it, but nothing to back it up. I guess it’s possible they don’t have any DNA from Bierbodt to compare it to. Maybe this will be yet another one of those cases solved when a family member does one of those ancestry DNA tests, inadvertently connecting the dots.
Chief, thanks for willingness to help with this case. Maybe, you can provide some insight into her case that can help the Meskwakie Police find her. The other question, is there any video of her at this casino. I wonder if she normally hung out there. Did she have a routine of going to the casino, on certain days of the week.
I am an Apache woman, and also am an intertribal investigator/profiler. I will not comment on my observations of the tribal chairman, or the Meskwakie Police Department. However, if I can assist Rita’s family in any way, keep the money! I don’t want it. My sister, Rita, is missing now four years, and I actually care. Ahe’he…
I vaguely remember her, for I was only 6 years old when the murder occurred. She lived with my brother, and it seems like she used to babysit me but I can’t clearly recall. I clearly remember talk within my family and I honestly believe that DNA testing should be done on any evidence that is still around from the scene of the crime.
There’s an old adage that goes…
“The apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree.”
I grew up in Dubuque Iowa and it’s said to say we have a lot of great history here. Some of these murders have to be solved I’m friends with 1 of the victims this is injustice for the families. Let them have some closure
Geez.. You never know who you work for. I worked at Certified Pest Control for Donna & Dave Fraley like 23 years ago. I worked out of their home prior to them even buying the building on 16th Ave; they actually had bought the building while I work for them. Haley would of been 15-16 at the time. She was a happy kid. Donna was a great Mom to her. I remember Donna saying she was Haley’s step Mom, but I don’t think she ever mentioned anything else about Haley’s Mom. She just said she’d raised Haley since she was a toddler. It’s been a long time ago and I only worked there about a year. I know at the time I worked for them they attended church and Dave did not drink anymore. I do remember Dave saying he had been an alcoholic and almost lost the business when he was younger. Never thought to much about it. I hope that the family finds peace and am glad that they were able to reconnect with Haley.
good for him. I hope that he feels better after talking care of his frist wife.she would have nevet left her daughter with him. OPEN THE CASE BACK UP. IT’S BRING HER HOME
Some sort of an official timeline would be useful. I get this from the articles and comments:
11/12/15 11:00 AM Cedar Rapids – Josh is dropped off by his mother and sister at the ASAC office. A comment said there are multiple locations and that’s true. I looked and there are 4, so an address would be useful.
11/12/15 – Time Unknown, but presumably after Josh was done at ASAC, he went to a store and purchased a stuffed animal for his daughter. His mother finds it and assumes it was purchased at Walmart. How certain is she that he bought it that day?
11/12/15 – Time Unknown, but later in the day Josh was last seen alive on a surveillance camera at the US Cellular Building in Cedar Rapids. Exact location is unknown.
11/13/15 – 11/16/15 – What happened these 3 days? At what point did family become concerned?
11/16/15 – Josh is reported missing to the Cedar Rapids Police.
12/3/15 – Pretrial for 3 pending charges he had for a controlled substance violation, a possession of controlled substance – 3rd offense, and possession of drug paraphernalia. A Failure To Appear Warrant is issued for his arrest.
Better location and times are needed. I hope someone can improve on this.
16th ave sw asac and i dont know for sure just looking for closure i know that but some say theyve been told the cops know hes gone just not where but idk anything for sure just what it seems like
I wonder what his cell phone records or app / social media showed. Since he was dropped off I imagine he either didn’t have a vehicle, or didn’t have a valid drivers license. He must have had some people that were his go-to for ride requests that he called, texted, or messaged online. I can only assume that the police have that information and it points to the last person he was in communication with. That information made public would jeopardize things. He doesn’t seem like the kind of guy that would just take off and leave everything behind to avoid treatment and jail time.
Theyres been comments on his fb page justice for josh id go there and just search the page for last place i saw him and itll fill u in thats what i ended up doing
I myself being the cousin that Found David after taking his own life would like to know why we can not find out more going on. Everything says to continue 2018. We are over half way through the 2019 Year. What is the hang up that they are holding back for is my only question. Is it so he can stay at a federal vacation joint and not have to sit where he belongs or somewhere that is not a vacation for him? SMH on this so called Justice system….
I read the article on two different sitea and no one mentions anything about the fact that.dead body smells like hell itself. How is it possible that no one noticed that something smelled terribly off in that place?
There seems to be a lot of speculation or finger pointing. Most people want or hope for the person or persons believed to be the perpetrator to go away. Sometimes things aren’t always what it seems . I wasn’t born yet when this took place. If it were me and I knew for certain a person was guilty, I want to make sure that individual has zero chance of walking free. So that being said I suggest considering ( area, time line, manner of death, demographics and what law enforcement agencies were working the case at the time. Evidence is always going to trump motive. This young woman was stabbed and tied up. April 12 1965, Janice Snow 16 was tied up and stabbed to death. Another female Judy Corbin stabbed just months before Leota Camp. Romona Cox also stabbed to death three years before Janice. All but one murder had taken place in or within a 3 mile radius of downtown. All but one was seen with a white male age 21 to 30. I don’t want to make assumptions out of respect for the victims family and loved ones pursing justice or very least closure. I’m somewhat convinced Leota (may) have been an unintended target. There (may) have been someone in her area into illegal activity and the killer or a shady neighborhood mistaken her description for the intended target. In those days there was no internet, or smart phones. Very limited police force and no advanced forensics. The only hope was observant neighbors. Even then they had lives too. I’m not saying there was a serial killer. Likely criminal activity, wrong place, wrong time or all three. Just my perspective
Who do you need to talk to in order to have someone else checked for committing this crime? My sister told me about this case this evening and she told me who she thought might have done it and I agree it is a possibility.
I dont know this family but i pray for them. I pray they find out the truth. It doesn’t matter how much time has passed to get the truth.. the truth will show one day. Just look at that case where the body was in no frills FOR 10 YEARS…
I strongly believe that things that happen in the dark comes to light sooner or later!!
God bless
I’m so sorry to hear about Larry, very sad, and I am praying for his family to be able to cope with their tragic loss. Actually it’s a loss for all of us. “No man is an island…”
I too, am surprised that the store management and employees, and especially the detectives didn’t search there while looking for him, especially since it was an area employees used. Really odd actually – not a great job, we must do better to help people in distress! Were they too tired or too busy to look everywhere on the property? And the spot described was such a safety hazard, why did store management not fix it? OSHA should have been notified and slapped them with safety violations. I wonder if the family has any recourse for a negligence or other claim. Until money is involved, no changes will come or they will be made very slowly. There are so many young people like this that are suffering with mental health issues, and we still are not doing enough to help them before these tragedies occur.
RIP Larry, you won’t be forgotten by us:)
America is a shithole. Ain’t nothing making it great given it never was. If anything white gold need to get the chuck out as it’s the natives that owned it alll
I didn’t know this family but am just so saddened by all of this. I hope his family is able to find peace now and they can finally properly lay him to rest. :(
My heart goes out to Monica. I am sorry that somebody knows what truly happened with your father. I feel like the whole police thing is just a cover up.to protect the coppers. I pray that there is a loophole where they could possibly help you out. You deserve answers.
Rest in Peace to Your Father
“If you have any information about Myrtle Cook’s unsolved murder…” come on guys…are you kidding me? Do you really think somebody could have any information about a murder that took place in 1925?
That’s absolutely impossible! 😶
Has this Jason person ever came forward with what he may know about my Uncle murder? Jason if you are seeing this please contact me or the agency listed. You can contact me at (608)-632-5871 Please if anyone has any information contact me or better yet the agency you never know even a little detail could open this case wide open and my dad and the rest of the family can finally put this to rest and my uncle can finally rest in peace.
Has anybody acknowledged Paul Rayer’s relative, Tina F.? It seems like she has something to talk about. Even if it pans out to nothing, she has been affected by this too. My condolences to both families.
I follow everything, in fact my sister taught at your elementary school. I can’t put all my thoughts here, they would fill a book. But I have cried for you and Paul and the others many times. I met your mother and of course read WJCC. This is a bit of something that has always bothered me. Where can I add a photo of a car?
I’d also be curious about the identity of the mysterious Denver drug kingpin. How come nobody can tell us a name?? If one of the victims had rolled over on this guy—- well he’d be looking at a long prison sentence and that’s definitely a motive
Its so incredibly said that there is such little information on a baby whose life was cut so short. I know its not this websites fault but if it was due to just a disease alone it wouldn’t of been ruled a homicide, maybe negligent homicide from the sounds of it.
According to this account in 2011, the DNA found at the crime scene excluded the Veach family. However, DNA testing advances could actually identify the killer of this horrific crime using the new techniques of comparing crime scene dna to public dna websites. Cold cases are being solved every day with this new approach. Law enforcement needs to use this dna to find the killer.
She was my girlfriend back in grade school. Used to hold her hand on the school bus. She went to the same junior high school I did but was too shy to reintroduce myself to her. Big regret on my part. Maybe we could have reconnected.
Thanks so much for sharing this with us, David! These personal remembrances serve as great reminders that those included here on the website are so much more than just names and case numbers!
I am missing you everyday praying and wishing that they would solve your murderer or somebody would come forward I hear now our son sir David is having a daughter in October the first of your grandchildren Darius is about to leave to the Middle East for the Marines I pray every day that he comes home safely we miss you so much and wish somebody would come forward
Even when it happened, after a certain number of months it gets classified as a cold case due to the fact that unless it’s solved within the first 48 hours, the likelihood that it will get solved diminishes greatly, thus the term “cold case”. This term in no way should be construed to mean that they will stop following up on leads etc. It does mean that the likelihood of attaining things such as physical evidence drops considerably after even just 48 hours.
Quoting an online dictionary:
“A cold case is an unsolved criminal investigation which remains open pending the discovery of new evidence.”
From Wikipedia:
“A cold case is a crime, or a suspected crime, that has not yet been fully resolved and is not the subject of a current criminal investigation, but for which new information could emerge from new witness testimony, re-examined archives, new or retained material evidence, or fresh activities of a suspect. New technological methods developed after the crime was committed can be used on the surviving evidence to analyse causes, often with conclusive results.”
I don’t appreciate some people making fun at a family friend who was murdered thanks. I want it solved as much as his family does, I still have issues sleeping around that time of year and it breaks my heart to know his killer is still around living and free. Chad was like a part of the family and I saw how it affected Dixie. That’s so unfair.
I think about this case often. The house where this happened still stands unfortunately. It is in disrepair and the windows are painted over. After 50+ years the likelihood of solving this murder are slim to none. Let karma take care of the perpetrator and may Patricia rest in peace.
We watched the Dateline episode. We are of the opinion that Jason did murder his mom. He shows no tears or emotion, only steadfast adamant behaviour to convince the authorities that he is innocent. He is an adultery plus a murderer. His wife stays……she is nuts! Get yourself a divorce. If the tables were turned, Jason would be long gone!
I think they need to investigate the 3 people that one of the neighbors had told the officer about like the man who told her that he had did the murder the man named joe and the 2 other guys that had helped him why haven’t they been questioned and checked into there had to have been finger prints or something and how can they charge a man for murder when they have no murder weapon just wondering I still think Jason carter is a innocent man and they should do a little more investigation on the joe guy and his 2 buddy’s prayers that the family will realize that the son did not murder his mother and maybe by the grace of the good lord above the father and the rest of the family will maybe just maybe have a heart and realize that the mother wouldn’t want the family to fall apart when wrongly accused of something that wasn’t true I’m sure that the mother would be very very sad to know that the father was treating his own flesh and blood the way he is without any evidence to prove what actually happened to her that day other then what the detectives lead them to believe prayers and love from my family to there’s hopefully someday they can put there family back together
I’m with Frank on this one. I’ve always thought the exact same thing.
And tonight I watched the continuance of the same story.
I can’t believe they haven’t arrested the real killers of Mrs Carter.
Bad Police work, and they simply don’t want to take any responsibility.
The husband was the last one to see her before the son found her. And when the husband got to the house he said aw Shirley and kissed her. I find that a little bizaar. The son was extremly emotional. The husband got all the money when the wife died. Husband planned it.
I also agree with you! LE screwed up this case so much I think they created the timeline of her death to match Bills timeline of his movements. I think Bill set up his own son and tried to seal his fate by filing the civil lawsuit way before trial of Jason. Bill thought the civil suit would help get Jason convicted. Ignoring the confession of the brothers as well as not disclosing that info to all parties is criminal. Bill obviously has his favorite children and to heck with the rest. I hope Jason gets Justice.
A Vicki Lynn Harrell (26) was found naked and strangled on Monday, August 14, 1972, two days after leaving work at a Bloomington, Indiana K-Mart on Saturday, August 12, 1972. Also, her body was found in a water filled ditch. Supposedly the initials (KN) had been carved into her body.
Also, supposedly an investigator with the Indiana State Police believes that the offender in her case, was transient and may be connected to similar murders in Pennsylvania & Maryland. All the other victims , were from college towns, and had initials carved into their bodies. The initials are different. I have been unable to find any information on these other cases. The is no mention of initials being carved in to Sheila body.
Steve, the book Midnight Assassin states that Margaret (Murchison) Hossack was a native of Ross Shire, Scotland, born Nov. 19, 1843, and that at the age of five, she traveled with her family to North America. Not sure if that helps, but thought I’d put it out there.
This is my beautiful aunt in law. My husband grew up hearing about his aunt but never got to meet her. One day I pray they finally have enough evidence to get the guy we think did this.
This breaks my heart. He was 100% killed by his friends and they are ridiculous for not looking for foul play when the evidence was still there. Forever praying.
I am a cyclist from Fairfield and often ride to small rural towns just to check them out for fun. In about 2015 I visited Mystic and after simply riding up and down the main drag a few times a local gent came roaring up in his pickup and asked me what I was doing, sort of gruffly. It surprised me being greeted with suspicion but after conversing the chat was cordial enough. I kind of understand now….years later after reading this. I’d be suspicious of a stranger in town too. Blessings to Mystic.
Let’s all post Brian’s missing persons flyer in all Missing persons groups to bring awareness to his demise..I’m shocked he didnt have ine..so I had one made
Briand Burns is missing Jerry burns in not let’s keep moving forward to find Brian M.Burns..dint ket Jerry Burns oblvershadow Brian this isnt right imo
I was wondering if he was a veteran. He would have been eligible for the draft in October 1971. I beat my draft notice by a week, by joining the Navy. My birthday was #2 in the draft pulled in 1970.
If he was a veteran, the VA, should be able to show if he visited any of their facilities.in the time he disappeared.
DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) _ The mother of missing paperboy Johnny Gosch said Tuesday that both she and police know who abducted her son four years ago and that police are ″doing everything within their legal boundaries″ to arrest them.
Noreen Gosch said she has known the identities of three Des Moines men and a pedophile ″contact″ in Houston for six months, and that her knowledge has caused numerous threats against members of her family.
She declined to identify the men. Lt. Lyle McKinney of the West Des Moines police, who has worked on the Gosch disappearance, said he was aware of Mrs. Gosch’s statements but would have no comment.
″The Johnny Gosch disappearance case is an active investigation,″ he said. ″We will act on any information furnished to us.″ He would not say if police know the identities of the abductors.
Mrs. Gosch had vague answers to several questions, saying her news release had ″hidden messages″ that the abductors would understand. She said there was a risk that the kidnappers would try to flee but ″that would be revealing, too, wouldn’t it?″
Gosch disappeared while preparing to deliver Sunday newspapers near his West Des Moines home Sept. 5, 1982.
″We now have evidence providing the identity (of the abductors),″ Mrs. Gosch said. ″The crime was organized. We know who these people are and where they are located. We have received very serious threats to members of the family concerning this aspect of the investigation. It is in our best interest to bring this information out to the public.″
She said that the abductors know she knows who they are but may not know that she has also told police.
The family, she said, has cancelled its offer of a $200,000 reward for information leading to Johnny’s whereabouts. Rewards from other sources still are available, she said.
Mrs. Gosch has been strongly critical of police efforts to find her son in the past, but she said police are now cooperating. ″Police have been apprised of every development,″ she said.
She wouldn’t say what is being done to apprehend the men, however. ″At this time, they are doing everything within their legal boundaries. We know who they are. I can’t comment on what’s happening legally.
Holy buckets! In Houston? Houston is where Roger Matice lived before he went to prison. Roger Matice is the guy accused of assaulting the paper boy in Cedar Rapids.
You guys stop with the whole Roger Dean Mattice thing. Good Lord!!!! Yes he was a pedo in the area but so were tons of other people in the area at the time probably thousands. Go listen to Sarah Dimeo’s Faded Out podcast to understand what happened in the case. Yellowbag thank you for all the work you have done with Sarah on the case.
If any of this were true, there would have been arrests and a resolution not long after… Unfortunately, I believe Noreen became susceptible to people putting ideas into her head, and as time went on and the case remained unsolved, she was more willing to accept that a grand conspiracy and cover-up was the only logical reason it hasn’t been solved. It’s very sad, and I feel horrible for her, but logically the stories she has told over the years don’t add up. Once Bonacci surfaced in 89, the whole case really went off the rails.
It’s shame that this has gone on this long without any closure for the family, me included. I just hope that one day soon it will be over. Kathy was first married to my brother back in the early ’60’s and I knew her and her family pretty well and she was the mother to my niece and nephew who are both in their mid 50’s, I know that it would be of some comfort to put this case to bed and find justice for Kathy… praying for closure
I understand . I shutter everyday I walk by the suspect’s house. I even planted a large bush near my windows that face his upstairs bedroom window so I don’t have to see it when I open my drapes. It’s a constant daily reminder. Kathy talked of her relationship with your brother. I knew the story. She really cared about him even though they broke up. The funeral was disturbing when they chased the suspect out of Hamilton’s. Without his late fathers alibi ..I think he would have been charged. Sad .
He actually worked that whole day with my kids dad’s blood brother he said he acted not right and kept leaving the job site to probably call his mom to help quarterback came through this murder while using a payphone from wherever he was working that day never thought about finding out where they worked to get phone records pulled from the pay phone at the gas station close to where they were working that might be something new they can pull phone records from that far back that day to see if he contacted his mother.
Not sure how they say no connection between this man and the woman who was also found at the bottom of her stairs, had no connection? It’s easy with only a cursory look on the web on a bored evening to find it. .. But not my job. I’m not going to be the next one found at the bottom of stairs in Mapleton.
I have numerous questions regarding this case. Here are two: Did the eyewitnesses at Ashworth and 42nd see the Birge’s car make a left turn from Marcourt onto 42nd. What kind of car was Chris’ father driving that morning?
Throughout this whole ordeal locals have known two things:
A – Shirley & Bill’s son Jason has a very negative reputation and it wouldn’t be aberrant for him to kill his mother for something he believed was rightly his. This is greatly in line with his reputed personality.
B – Law enforcement, particularly Sheriff Sandholt, mishandled a great deal of this case that gifted the defense with more than reasonable doubt and allowed Mr. J Carter to be freed of any criminal charges.
This case will likely never be solved because of double jeopardy laws.
It is heartbreaking to know it will go on as “”unsolved”. It is frightening to know we are not safe. I found out the jury didn’t have a choice on the guilty or not guilty given the fact the investigation was awful, including the sheriff tipping off the main dishevt of a search warrant, evidence not collected, lack of following frivolous leads resulted in the jurors as instructed to by the judge, to come back with a not guilty verdict due to a lack of a full investigation.
None of this so-called expatory evidence was new to the defendant, extended family, his friends, nor his attorneys. As a matter of fact a few of his friends helped create the scenario, whether or not he knew before or after..he knew by December 2015. I am unable to share those publicly as I was not a part of the conversations. It would be illegal for me to do so. It wouldn’t be like getting away with murder, but I’m confident I’d be charged immediately, sued, convicted, and imprisoned. I wish so much I could share all I know.
My Aunt’s birthday would be June 10th. She was murdered June 19th, 2015, so
It is a rough time right now for her family.
Jody Ewing should be cited as author of this case summary. I had started it, but she added so much to it and put on all the finishing touches. Thank you, Jody, for taking time to do that. I want you to have full credit for your work.
I’m so sorry that one year later, this case is still unsolved, and so sad for the loss of this young man, so loved and treasured, so missed, so senselessly taken from this world.
Carol, you know neither of us are in this for the credit. I just added his obit and used your blog post to include Tyrese on a case summary page. It really is haunting that his case remains unsolved. We have so many senseless murders on here, but these young kids with such bright futures always hit particularly hard. You did a fantastic job of tracking down the articles and getting the photos, and your blog post introduced us right away to this amazing young man. Thank you for getting his name out there and letting the family know he’s not been forgotten.
I just want to get the word out there Tyrese aka Willy kill still is running free I am going to go through the day I will never forget ok so i was woke up by my daughter saying willy was in trouble and needed help at first i thought she was lying cause they did it before but when i got up and seen she was not playing i jumped in my car my daughter shyere Anthony and shyere older brother jumped in too his other brother stayed back at my house i was yelling for them to tell me where he was than shyere told Anthony come on tell her or something like that than Anthony took me rite to where he was there was a man in the drive way when I pulled up he just asked me if I know him as I am jumping out my car that I forgot to put in park so had to jump back in and I am saying did you call 911 he never answered me but he didn’t when I got over to this boy that is like one of my own I seen he was gone and had been gone for a long time I was screaming for someone to get me a phone as I left mine cause I just jumped out of bed didn’t even have shoes on I got a phone yelling trying to get the address felt like forever there was only one lady that came out to help me cause I am trying to get 911 the address and console my daughter who is his bestfriend and she is puking and screaming for me to help him got her to call his step mom cause that’s the only number she had to have her get his dad there his glasses and phone was taking off him before he got help that now has been found they was with one of the boys that was with him no one is talking and I know ppl know what happened and if any of you really love him and are holding stuff from the police you dont really love him he was left laying on that sidewalk for hours before he got any help and ppl knew where he was and didn’t get help for hours I cant keep my mouth shut anymore it’s almost been a year and nothing is done sorry if this makes anyone mad but this is what happened that day when i woke up now someone needs to speak on what happened before he got help
This is a cold-case from Pittsburg County, OK, from 1995. The young man in the facial reconstruction is thought to have been in his early 20’s, which is the right age.
Am I the only one who think this looks both like Johnny Gosch and also a bit like his father?
The Gosches also submitted dental and genetic records for johnny. Maybe OK couldnt do gene tests in 1995. They could do so now with the cadaver. Can you check? I have no background onOK case.
CEDAR RAPIDS — Two men, already serving prison terms, and one woman were charged Wednesday in federal court for the robbery and death of a Marion man who went missing May 31, 2014.
Federal prosecutors wouldn’t say what new evidence law enforcement may have received to result in filing charges nearly five years after James Booher, 51, was reported missing by his sister June 3. His truck was found abandoned June 9.
Marion police in 2015 considered Booher a homicide victim but no charges for his death have been filed until Wednesday.
Matthew Robbins of 44, of Ely, William L. Yancey and Danielle Busch, 29, of Cedar Rapids, are charged in U.S. District Court with robbery affecting interstate commerce, conspiracy to commit robbery affecting interstate commerce and using, carrying and brandishing a firearm during a crime of violence resulting in murder, according to an indictment.
Busch pleaded not guilty Wednesday during an arraignment. Robbins and Yancey are already serving prison time for drug and firearm convictions. Robbins had been linked to Booher’s disappearance but he was only charged with firearms and drugs.
Robbins and Yancey, also serving time for drug offenses, haven’t been arraigned yet.
All three defendants are accused of robbing “J.B.” — Booher — of methamphetamine and money from the sales of drugs by force, violence and fear of injury, immediate and future to Booher on May 31, 2014, according to the indictment.
They are also accused of having a firearm during the robbery and fatally shooting Booher, according to the indictment. It doesn’t detail if there was more than one gun involved or if only one of them killed Booher but all are accused of participating in the crime.
The firearms charge is a “death constituting murder” charge under federal law, the indictment shows.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Lisa Williams, during Busch’s hearing, said this case was “capital death” eligible. In order to pursue the death penalty, U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions would have to approve it and Williams said they haven’t heard back from his office at this time.
Robbins was sentenced to 10 years in prison in 2016 for being a felon and unlawful drug user in possession of a firearm. Evidence from Robbins first trial, that ended in a hung jury, showed Robbins knew Booher and had purchased meth from him.
Robbins and another man robbed Booher about June 1, 2014 — the day after police say he was last seen alive, according to court documents in Robbins’ firearms case. Robbins and a friend identified as “D.B.” — Danielle Busch — purchased meth from Booher on May 31, 2014.
Booher and Busch used the meth and later contacted Booher to set up time to buy a larger quantity, according to court documents.
Booher went to Robbins’ home later that night and wasn’t seen after that visit, according to court documents. Another person went to Robbins home a day or two later, looking for Booher and Robbins greeted him at the door holding a .45 caliber handgun, the document showed.
In May 2015, during the investigation on Robbins, a forensics team that specializes in identifying human remains set up a dig site at a rural Ely farmhouse, where Robbins once lived, to search for evidence in Booher’s death, at the request of the Marion Police Department.
At that time, former Chief Harry Daugherty said he couldn’t provide details, only that it involved a federal drug-related homicide investigation.
Hello, this case should be listed as closed now Council Bluffs Police located this party deceased inside a closed grocery store he used to work at. He went into the freezer and climbed into an area and died of possible hypothermia.
Nick, I checked on-line and did not see any news story’s to backup that his remains had been recovered. It sounds plausible that he could have gone there since he may have had felt safe there for some reason. But, I would hope that the authorities would have checked the building as a part of their search.
I’m wondering if they checked the vehicles of the friends and family that were visiting the camping site(s)? It could have been someone he knew just trying to mess with him and hit him on accident and panicked. You see that kind of hijinx all the time in rural Iowa on gravel roads. Someone will swerve near you and try to kick up gravel or dust or just generally play chicken. Something like that could easily go wrong. Who left in a vehicle after him? Was there anyone that the people camping anticipated showing up to the campsite but never did? I find it odd that friends and family would just let him take off walking, but I know sometimes people just don’t want to be a bother and just slip away without saying goodbye.
This is what I find perplexing, How does a naked person running around especially in a rural area not draw attention of somebody. I grew up in a small town and Iowa and anything even remotely out of the ordinary and people are calling the cops. Why did she want the insurance money so badly? I think she had something to do with his murder. Not saying she pulled the trigger, but I think she definitely knows more than she’s letting on…
I follow Iowa Cold Cases on facebook. I saw the post about these two girls and wondered if there might have been an update. What I find is a lot of “evidence” of disrespect, allegations, and even some cruelty. No family deserves this to happen to their child. The responsible person might be someone that their families were acquainted with, but it could have been a stranger (doesn’t happen as often, but it does happen).
If you think someone might be a suspect, contact the authorities rather than putting someone’s name on public forums. Make sure you have facts to support your suspicions. It is sad that we have turned into a society that tears other people down rather practice, “innocent until proven guilty”.
You know what needs to be focused on? Factual evidence to find out who did this and helping this family find some kind of peace. No one in this world is perfect, so before you point out the “flaws” in these families, make sure you take a look at yourself, your family, and “flaws” that you have.
Seriously. Too bad this is the internet, which means it’s an absolute haven for baseless speculation and rumormongering. Sometimes anonymity allows for people to devolve into their worst selves. Cases like this deserve to be looked at closely by objective professionals— not by laymen who are only interested in using it as an excuse to slander the family or strangers without any evidence to support their wild assertions.
I’m writing a book about the case, with the emphasis on old newspaper accounts, as well as the developments that have unfolded over the past two years.
I can understand the family members commenting in defense of Lennon, but you can’t blame people for considering the possibility that he was involved or knew something.
There have been a number of missing persons cases where the car is eventually found in a body of water. One that sticks out to me was in Byron Center, MI. A man’s body was inside a car in a small lake in the city for nearly 10 years before it was noticed. You could even see it in google maps. I’m curious to know the places she frequently drove to. With that information you could check the driving routes from her home to see how many bodies of water she passed. Maybe she had an accident and drove into water without anyone noticing.
The fact she left without her purse could mean she left against her will, left with grim intentions, or quite simply forgot it.
Maybe it’s possible that the date in the Social Security Death Index is just a mistake? I don’t think anything negative of Lennon’s obituary saying his wife preceded him in death in May 2005. What I’m curious of is how active in the investigation was he? Was he staying at home waiting and chilling or was he out and about looking on his own and making an effort?
Wow…there is no better picture of her? I know newspaper articles don’t transfer well but this poor soul deserves to be remembered as she was in life.
That being said….this is my first post but I am addicted to this site. You folks at ICC really care about these victims and their families. God Bless you for that.
Since supposedly the cause of death is considered undetermined, it will be hard case to investigate. He was just traveling around with no particular place to go. But his vehicle gets towed from the rest area, several weeks before.
Yet, his skeletal remains were found several hundred yards behind the rest stop. So something happened. It could be that he got in some confrontation with someone at the rest stop, and they killed him.
They found his clothes, but no wallet, money, car keys, or even credit cards on him. So, unless that stuff was left in the vehicle, then he could have been robbed and then killed.
I wonder if he had any credit cards, and when they were last used. It could be that maybe he was carrying large amount of cash. But since there is no clear time of death, then we can determined when he originally stopped there.
I don’t understand how the Clark County authorities decided that it was an accident. It appears that they did not want to take the time to conduct an investigation. I guess seeing the clean undamaged wheelchair parked outside in the snow, did not click with any of them. I guess they normally see wheelchairs parked in 8 inches of snow at numerous fires.
I my neck of the woods, the fire departments routinely conduct an investigation to determine the cause of a fire. If someone was seriously injured or found dead, there would be a major investigation. They would be not be stating it was accidental fire, within a day. That’s why there is a State Fire Marshal, also they could have called in the ATF, to assist.
I am sure that he as a smoker contributed to their assumption. They must have assumed that he left a cigarette, that was not properly extinguished, and it fell on to the couch. But, the elephant in the room is still that wheelchair sitting in 8 inches of snow outside, while the person who uses it is dead in his bedroom. Why was a rush to judgement? Was there another fire or fires to deal with? Too many questions that Clark County and others need to answer.
I’ve only recently became interested in Josh’s disappearance because of postings on Facebook and seeing the Facebook group. Crazy enough, I realized that I actually know him, but haven’t seen him since August of 1994. At that time he was living in a house sort of close to Seminole Valley Park in Cedar Rapids if I recall. I realize that date only because I remember Woodstock 1994 was going on and he said he wished he was there right now.
I have so many questions the Facebook group doesn’t seem to ever really touch on. Here they are.
1. I’ve seen that he had either drug or alcohol abuse issues in the past and had treatment. Apparently the last place he was seen by his family was when he was dropped off at an ASAC treatment center. ASAC has multiple locations in Cedar Rapids. What is the address of the one he was dropped off at?
2. It says he was last seen by surveillance cameras at the US Cellular Building. Again, which one? The US Cellular Center in downtown Cedar Rapids? The US Cellular call center in over by Lindale Mall? Or one of the many retail locations?
3. Where was he living at the time? Articles make it sound like he was living with his mom. He is always referred to as “Vinton Man”. Was he living in Vinton or living in Cedar Rapids?
4. Was there a receipt in the Walmart bag to see the time he made the purchase? If he was living in Vinton that would have taken him out of Cedar Rapids and maybe he went missing in Benton County.
5. Looking him up in the Iowa Courts System you can see he had a pending possession of a controlled substance violation. He actually was supposed to have court not that long after he went missing, and since he didn’t show up he had, and still technically STILL has a warrant out for his arrest. This is probably the biggest red flag for me. What is the story of his bust? Was he busted with other people? Was he in over his head? Were there people who were afraid he was going to snitch? I’m guessing this is the way of thinking the family has since they are “Justice For Josh Wellman” instead of “Find Josh Wellman.” They seem like they already heavily assume foul play.
He never ran from his legal problems and his phone was a dud at some point. I do think the family knows possibly enough to claim justice instead of find or what not i wish i knew. The other info on him after the hard evidence with proof isnt as hardcore but i know if you read through his record it wasnt his first time in the system or facing time snitch would be furthest from the scenario. But i wish theyd tell us more, family and the law enforcement this case is truly to under told and if it could get the momentum most others have maybe wed all know more….i think conflict of interest or something is a big part….thanks for of you from me not family but close enough if u asked josh….i love n miss him and just want closure for myself too.
Schellt, I know someone who looks very similar to the girl in the picture. She has a lot of the same facial features, and she is now living very close to Davenport. I’m not 100% sure it’s her, but it looks very similar.
what really disturbs me is he is in that vehicle obviously stressed out and no one is near him talking to him and if you look to the left the firefighters are sitting there bullshitting and smiling. I mean wtf
I was a friend of Vicki’s. I stay and went to many parties there. Lillian was a very friendly caring person as I remember. The town, friends, and relatives were devastated by this tragedy. I still have Vicki and my confirmation picture. I think of her with sadness.
George was a friend of my dad’s for many years and we used to visit often. As young children, we always knew him as Chicken George. Our thoughts go out to his family and other friends.
It bugs me that someone shares information with the police, and it appears that they don’t follow-up on it. It sort of goes along with comments that some people connected with the newspaper might have been pedophiles.
However, law enforcement would either have the present owner of the property to offer them access to check the area. But, then they would need more information to obtain a search warrant. They would then need to bring in ground penetrating radar, or cadaver dogs, to see if they might him on an odor.
But, it still requires them to research this guys background. So, they may not want to make the effort based on him supposedly being creepy. However, I would think that they could pass it off to a retired investigator to see what he can find.
I just wanted to relay some info I found in the comments section of a Youtube video about Eugene Martin. It’s good to keep all the clues or possible leads in one place.
A woman named Pamela Hobbs left an interesting comment on a Youtube video about Eugene Marin. She said quote “I lived in Des Moines Iowa when those boys disappeared and I remember an older guy that lived on 5th ave in Des Moines called my husband that back then did concrete work, he had him pour concrete over a dirt basement floor which made it where you had to duck it wanted it really thick, the old guy also delivered papers to corners where paper boys picked up the newspapers, I’ll never forget that, that guy was just really odd to me, I told police about it, not one checked out that house on 3100 block of 5th ave in Des Moines Iowa”
So there you have a “creepy guy” that lived on the 3100 block of 5th ave in Des Moines that delivered papers to the paper drop spots, which means he worked for the Des Moines Register. He also had an abnormal slab of concrete poured in the basement.
I have to say, All coincidence? Probably not. People’s intuition or initial impressions of someone is normally always right. If someone strikes you as creepy, it’s normally for a reason in my experience.
Thank you for sharing this, and I agree, it’s good to keep all the clues or possible leads in one place. This woman sounds credible. “I told police about it,” she writes but “not one checked out that house”–does she know that for sure? Sounds like some excavating may be in order. (Carol at ICC)
Well not sure my brother jon g morris decessed now on his death bed said randy gurin danny crandle nozey did that and danny crandle was the one that pull the tricker and randy gurien work for him as a carpet layer helper or something. My brother passed away 5 or 6 years ago not sure weather to belive him but on his death bed we were not close i thought his marvins family should jo what iherd
Is DNA still available? I think it would be worth it, I know someone can not be charged for the same crime twice. Hope this murder can still be solved….for the family sakes.
My husband did the memorial video for Josh’s Funeral….a little boy who loved his super cape. I cried for this little one as that video was being done. How shameful that someone would leave the scene of the accident. It is hard to believe that no one seen anything. The Lord’s knows all and we know this is a little boy that Jesus welcomed too soon. I bet that super cape still flies.
This was a very tragic accident. There was a high school track meet going on at the time of the accident. Which was only a couple blocks away. It could’ve been a scared teen. I’m sure carrying the burden of this accident has got to be weighing on someone’s heart. Wish they would come forward so the Yoders can find some closure. This is one of the most loving and forgiving families.
An unsolved murder that should be listed in the Des Moines County page is the 1969 murder of 18-month-old Jeffrey J. Rose who had injuries to his genitals, buttocks, and head, with brain injury and a blood clot on the brain. He died after being “physically corrected” after his mother, Diana May Rose (who later became Diana May Miller) and her boyfriend, William Edward Miler, had used “physical correction” on him while toilet training him. William was criminally charged but acquitted. Diana married William while the case was going on.
I am going to post a few news articles here:
From the Boone News Republican, April 14, 1969 at page 5:
Study Charges in Child Death- BURLINGTON, Iowa (AP) — Additional charges may be filed against a man in the child beating case of a baby who died Sunday in Iowa City, authorities say.
Des Moines County Atty. Desmond Waples said he was studying Sunday what additional charged should be filed against William Edward Milar, 21, of Ottumwa. Milar was charged with assault with intent to do great bodily injury after doctors notified police Saturday that 18-month-old Jeffrey J. Rose had been brought to a Burlington hospital with injuries apparently from beatings, Waples said.
Milar was arrested in Iowa City Saturday night.
The baby’s mother, Diana May Rose, 21, of Burlington, told police she and Milar had been attempting to toilet train Jeffrey Thursday when the boy became stiff and unconscious after he was physically corrected for wetting his pants, police said.
She took him to the hospital Saturday.
Doctors there notified police and rushed little Jeffrey to Iowa City where he underwent surgery Saturday night. He died about 1:30 pm Sunday.
An autopsy was scheduled Sunday night to determine the exact cause of death. Doctors said Jeffery showed bruises about his head, genital organs, and buttocks.
From the Ottumwa Courier- January 17, 1970 at page 8:
Prosecution fights motion in Miler case.
Des Moines County Attorney Alan Waples has filed notice in District Court at Burlington that he intends to fight a defense motion to suppress evidence in the murder case against 22-year-old William Edward Miler of Keokuk, a former Ottumwan. The prosecution asks the court to set a hearing date soon to determine whether or not Miler’s wife may testify against him.
Miler is accused of killing 19- month-old Jeffrey J. Rose in April of 1969. The little boy died in Iowa City following brain surgery. He was transferred to University Hospitals after his mother had taken him to a Burlington hospital unconscious from severe head injuries. The child’s mother, then Diane Lee Rose, testified at a preliminary hearing April 17 in Burlington Municipal Court, after which Edwards was released.
The July grand jury renewed the indictment against Miler, however, a few days after he and Miss Rose were married in Keokuk. Defense lawyers are seeking an order prohibiting the state from calling her to the witness stand and from submitting any of her previous
testimony into evidence.
My thoughts on the above article: What sort of twisted values did it take for Diana to marry the man who authorities said beat her child to death?
From the Ottumwa Courrier, May 29, 1971 at page 12:
BIRTHS – … May 29 to Mr. and Mrs. William Miler Sr. of Keokuk, a daughter; the father is a former Ottumwan.
My thoughts on the above: How could she allow her son’s alleged murderer into her body???!!! Jeffrey died in April 1969. Melissa (the baby girl) wasn’t born until 1971. That necessarily means that Diana was having sexual intercourse with William after the death of Jeffrey.
From the Burlington Hawk Eye June 11, 1971 at page 7:
Testimony is heard on child’s injuries.
By BILL MERTENS
An Iowa City pathologist who two years ago performed the autopsy on the body of 19-month-old Jeffrey Rose testified Friday in the murder trial of William Edward Miler that
death was by a blow to the head caused by more than a simple fall.
Dr. Earl F. Rose said the head injury and the numerous other bruises found on the body of the child had been received between 12 and 48 hours before the time of death. The child died at 1:35 p.m., Sunday, April 13, 1969, in University hospitals in Iowa City following surgery to remove a blood clot from the brain.
Miler, 23, now of Keokuk, was charged With murder following the death, but the charge was dropped after Municipal Judge Gary J. Snyder refused to bind Miler over to the grand jury. Five months later a grand jury indicted Miler on an open charge of murder, to which he pleaded innocent in October, 1969.
Blunt-type Injury Dr. Rose testified the head injury was a “blunt-type injury”, as opposed to a head injury caused by a fall. He said a fall on a sharp instrument would “usually always leave some mark,” and he said there were no such marks on the head of Jeffrey. Bruises were found on the left and right side of the child’s forehead.
He said the blunt-type injury “could have been the type injury received from a man’s fist,” and said unconsciousness would have been rendered “almost immediately.”
Autopsy Slides
Prosecution attorneys also introduced into evidence 17 slides of the bruises on the
child’s lower body and crosssections of the brain taken during the autopsy.
Johnson county medical examiner Dr. T. T. Bozek of Iowa City also testified the cause of death was a head injury. He described all other body bruises as “non-fatal injuries.” Dr. Bozek, who ordered the autopsy, testified the child’s mother, now Mrs. Diane Miler, told him the child had been spanked and “indicated Bill Miler did the spanking.” Dr. Bozek said the mother told him the child had started vomiting Friday, two days before death.
Child Was Listless
“She said the child appeared listless Saturday morning and had no appetite,” he said. Dr. Bozek said Miss Rose told him she went shopping about 2 p.m. Saturday (April 12), at which time she put the child to bed. When she returned about 90 minutes later, Bill Miler
attempted to arouse the youth and the “child was not responsive,” Dr. Bozek said he was told.
He said Miss Rose did indicate “they had problems training the child, and they had spanked the child.” The sandy-haired, bespectacled Miler sat tightlipped and expressionless by his attorneys through the first day of testimony Thursday and the previous two days of jury selection. He heard Dr. Foss and Dr. R.G. Paragas, a Burlington pediatrician who also treated Jeffrey that Saturday, tell a jury of 11 men and one woman there were bruises on the head, left side, both buttocks, and groin area of Jeffrey when brought to the emergency room.
Nurse Testifies
Testimony was also given Thursday by Mrs. Janet Dellsite, a registered nurse who cared for Jeffrey on the ambulance trip from the Burlington hospital to Iowa City about 5:30
p.m. April 12.
Mrs. Dellsite said the child had several convulsions during the 50-minute trip end vomited about seven times, She said the child’s mother also rode in the ambulance but appear “rather complacent” and “composed.” Both doctors said the child already showed signs of brain damage when brought to the hospital because he would not respond to several reflex-type tests. Both also indicated the child had received the numerous bruises in from 12 to 48 hours before he was brought to the hospital. When asked to give his opinion as to what may have caused the bruises Foss said he felt “one possibility was that
the child had been mistreated and beaten.”
Dr. Paragas said it was his opinion it “was a child abuse,” and informed Iowa City of his opinion when the child was transferred.
From the Burlington Hawkeye, June 17, 1971 at page 1:
Mrs. Miler ‘requested’ discipline
By BILL MERTENS
The mother of 19-month-old Jeffrey Rose, flatly denied Monday that William Miler ever showed dislike or jealousy for the child, or ever disciplined the child without her approval.
Diana Rose Miler, 23, who married Miler July 12, 1969 — three months after the death of the Rose child — took the stand as a “hostile” prosecution witness.
Court resumed at 9 a.m. Monday after a weekend recess in the murder trial of Miler, 23, now of Keokuk, who was charged after the April 13, 1969, death of the Rose child. Jeffrey
died in Iowa City following brain surgery. Cause of death was reported to be a head injury.
Mrs. Miler underwent over two hours of questioning by county attorney E. Dean Metz, during which she disputed earlier testimony given by several other witnesses and refuted many statements she made in a preliminary hearing two years ago in municipal court.
“Bill was very good to Jeffy,” Mrs. Miler said. “Jeffy liked Bill but didn’t like Bill and I to show our affection to one another because he was jealous.”
She described the child as spoiled because she didn’t like to discipline him, but said she
had asked Miler to discipline Jeffrey. She said he “undertook some discipline because I asked him to,” but he never did it without her approval.
Spanked Child
“I usually had to tell him to do it,” she added. Mrs. Miler said she asked Miler to spank the child Thursday, April 10, three days before the child’s death, and said Miler took the child over his knee and swatted him “two or three times.” She said the spanking caused the bruises to the groin and buttocks area testified to by several doctors and hospital employees who testified earlier. Metz referred to the transcript of the 1969 preliminary
hearing — in which Municipal Judge Gary J. Snyder refused to bind Miler over to the grand jury — and asked Mrs. Miler why now she said “two or three” swats when
before she said more.
No Immunity
(The transcripts of her testimony at that municipal court hearing were made available only after several months of court proceedings and a Iowa Supreme Court ruling stating husbands and wives have no immunity of testimony in child abuse cases.)
The sandy-haired Mrs. Miler, her voice and composure failing a little as she referred to the time following the death of her son, said she said some things “that were untrue” at the hearing. “At the time of the preliminary hearing .. . I was made to believe Bill had done
something wrong and I was mad and I said things that weren’t true,” she said.
‘Upset by Death’
“I was trying to make it look as bad for Bill as I could,” she said and added she was still extremely upset by Jeffrey’s death and almost four months pregnant with another child.
“I just wanted them to leave me alone,” she said. She said the police had given her the impression Bill had done something wrong.
Mrs. Miler said she was told by University hospitals officials that bleeding on the child’s brain was from a bruise on his forehead, but said she didn’t know how the child received the bruise.
She said the child fell down quite often and said Miler guessed the child had fallen and struck his head. Neither knew when the bruise was received, she said. She could not recall bruises covering most of the child’s forehead as earlier witnesses testified.
Mrs. Miler also quickly denied ever telling anyone Miler “had dropped the child on it
head.” Two earlier witnesses Bonnie Garman, a neighbor and Donald Henry, a newsman testified they heard Mrs. Miler say Miler had dropped the child. She said a policeman asked her at the Burlington hospital if the child had been dropped on his head, “and I denied it,” she said.
Denies ‘Beating’
She denied police reports that she ever told them Miler “beat” he child. She said she got the impression at the hospital that police “thought we had done something.” She said she noticed Friday the child apparently didn’t feel well, and Saturday she said he was “listless and very, very white.”
Mrs. Miler said she put Jeffrey to bed upstairs in the 343 Grimes Ct. apartment in the afternoon while she went grocery shopping. She said when she returned the child was
downstairs with Miler. She said the child was lying on the bed and “his legs were stiff and his eyes were staring.”
Mrs. Miler then broke down in front of the jury of 11 men and one woman.
I hardly know where to begin when reading this. What sort of a sick parent tells their boyfriend to hit their eighteen or nineteen-month-old? What sort of woman marries the man accused of killing her toddler? What was going on that she lied on the stand, either at the trial, or at an earlier hearing?
William Milar was acquitted. Diana was never prosecuted.
From the Ottumwa Courier July 14, 1972, at page 3:
Galen Miler Jr. and Donna Davis from California have been visiting in Ottumwa. They came to attend the class reunion of Galen Miler. They were guests of Mr. and Mrs.
Michael Vinyard and of Mrs. Edward Snelling and of Neoma Miler. Other guests of Mrs. Snelling were Mr. and Mrs. William Miler Sr., William Jr., and Melissa of Keokuk and Mr.
and Mr. and Mrs. Donald Snelling and children of Texas
In 2013, William Milar’s misleading obituary read:
William E. Miler, 65, of Chariton, Iowa, died at 11:04 AM Saturday, August 3, 2013, at Circle of Life Legacy Lodge in Chariton, Iowa.
William was born September 9, 1947 in Ottumwa, Iowa, a son of Galen K. and Neoma Snelling Miler, Sr. He married Diana Rose of Keokuk, on September 12, 1969, in Keokuk, Iowa. She survives.
He lived in Hamilton, Illinois, for 22 years; in Solon, Iowa, from 1996 to 2009; and in Chariton for the last three years. He earned a Bachelor of Arts Degree from Western Illinois University at Macomb, Illinois. He was employed as facilities, grounds, and safety supervisor for Cornell College in Mt. Vernon, Iowa.
In addition to his wife, Diana, he is survived by a son, William E. “Will” Miler, II of North Liberty, Iowa; a daughter, Melissa M. Burbridge (Jim) of Chariton, Iowa; three grandchildren, Grace Miler, Abigail Burbridge and A.J. Burbridge; two brothers, Galen Miler, Jr. of Arizona and Roger Miler of Ottumwa, Iowa; his stepmother, Marylin Miler of Bloomfield, Iowa; and several brothers-in-law and sisters-in-law.
He was preceded in death by his parents, his grandparents, and a son in infancy, Jeffery J. Miler.
My comments on the obituary are these: First of all, Jeffrey was not his son. Second of all, Jeffrey’s surname was Rose, not Miler. Thirdly, Jeffrey was a toddler, not an infant. Fourthly, why would Diana have stayed with him all these years?
Just who in the family wrote this misleading language in the obituary, and for what purpose?
An unsolved murder that should be listed in the Burlington page is the 1969 murder of 18-month-old Jeffrey J. Rose who had injuries to his genitals, buttocks, and head, with brain injury and a blood clot on the brain. He died after being “physically corrected” after his mother, Diana May Rose (who later became Diana May Miller) and her boyfriend, William Edward Miler, had used “physical correction” on him while toilet training him. William was criminally charged but acquitted. Diana married William while the case was going on.
I am going to post a few news articles here:
From the Boone News Republican, April 14, 1969 at page 5:
Study Charges in Child Death- BURLINGTON, Iowa (AP) — Additional charges may be filed against a man in the child beating case of a baby who died Sunday in Iowa City, authorities say.
Des Moines County Atty. Desmond Waples said he was studying Sunday what additional charged should be filed against William Edward Milar, 21, of Ottumwa. Milar was charged with assault with intent to do great bodily injury after doctors notified police Saturday that 18-month-old Jeffrey J. Rose had been brought to a Burlington hospital with injuries apparently from beatings, Waples said.
Milar was arrested in Iowa City Saturday night.
The baby’s mother, Diana May Rose, 21, of Burlington, told police she and Milar had been attempting to toilet train Jeffrey Thursday when the boy became stiff and unconscious after he was physically corrected for wetting his pants, police said.
She took him to the hospital Saturday.
Doctors there notified police and rushed little Jeffrey to Iowa City where he underwent surgery Saturday night. He died about 1:30 pm Sunday.
An autopsy was scheduled Sunday night to determine the exact cause of death. Doctors said Jeffery showed bruises about his head, genital organs, and buttocks.
From the Ottumwa Courier- January 17, 1970 at page 8:
Prosecution fights motion in Miler case.
Des Moines County Attorney Alan Waples has filed notice in District Court at Burlington that he intends to fight a defense motion to suppress evidence in the murder case against 22-year-old William Edward Miler of Keokuk, a former Ottumwan. The prosecution asks the court to set a hearing date soon to determine whether or not Miler’s wife may testify against him.
Miler is accused of killing 19- month-old Jeffrey J. Rose in April of 1969. The little boy died in Iowa City following brain surgery. He was transferred to University Hospitals after his mother had taken him to a Burlington hospital unconscious from severe head injuries. The child’s mother, then Diane Lee Rose, testified at a preliminary hearing April 17 in Burlington Municipal Court, after which Edwards was released.
The July grand jury renewed the indictment against Miler, however, a few days after he and Miss Rose were married in Keokuk. Defense lawyers are seeking an order prohibiting the state from calling her to the witness stand and from submitting any of her previous
testimony into evidence.
My thoughts on the above article: What sort of twisted values did it take for Diana to marry the man who authorities said beat her child to death?
From the Ottumwa Courrier, May 29, 1971 at page 12:
BIRTHS – … May 29 to Mr. and Mrs. William Miler Sr. of Keokuk, a daughter; the father is a former Ottumwan.
My thoughts on the above: How could she allow her son’s alleged murderer into her body???!!! Jeffrey died in April 1969. Melissa (the baby girl) wasn’t born until 1971. That necessarily means that Diana was having sexual intercourse with William after the death of Jeffrey.
From the Burlington Hawk Eye June 11, 1971 at page 7:
Testimony is heard on child’s injuries.
By BILL MERTENS
An Iowa City pathologist who two years ago performed the autopsy on the body of 19-month-old Jeffrey Rose testified Friday in the murder trial of William Edward Miler that
death was by a blow to the head caused by more than a simple fall.
Dr. Earl F. Rose said the head injury and the numerous other bruises found on the body of the child had been received between 12 and 48 hours before the time of death. The child died at 1:35 p.m., Sunday, April 13, 1969, in University hospitals in Iowa City following surgery to remove a blood clot from the brain.
Miler, 23, now of Keokuk, was charged With murder following the death, but the charge was dropped after Municipal Judge Gary J. Snyder refused to bind Miler over to the grand jury. Five months later a grand jury indicted Miler on an open charge of murder, to which he pleaded innocent in October, 1969.
Blunt-type Injury Dr. Rose testified the head injury was a “blunt-type injury”, as opposed to a head injury caused by a fall. He said a fall on a sharp instrument would “usually always leave some mark,” and he said there were no such marks on the head of Jeffrey. Bruises were found on the left and right side of the child’s forehead.
He said the blunt-type injury “could have been the type injury received from a man’s fist,” and said unconsciousness would have been rendered “almost immediately.”
Autopsy Slides
Prosecution attorneys also introduced into evidence 17 slides of the bruises on the
child’s lower body and crosssections of the brain taken during the autopsy.
Johnson county medical examiner Dr. T. T. Bozek of Iowa City also testified the cause of death was a head injury. He described all other body bruises as “non-fatal injuries.” Dr. Bozek, who ordered the autopsy, testified the child’s mother, now Mrs. Diane Miler, told him the child had been spanked and “indicated Bill Miler did the spanking.” Dr. Bozek said the mother told him the child had started vomiting Friday, two days before death.
Child Was Listless
“She said the child appeared listless Saturday morning and had no appetite,” he said. Dr. Bozek said Miss Rose told him she went shopping about 2 p.m. Saturday (April 12), at which time she put the child to bed. When she returned about 90 minutes later, Bill Miler
attempted to arouse the youth and the “child was not responsive,” Dr. Bozek said he was told.
He said Miss Rose did indicate “they had problems training the child, and they had spanked the child.” The sandy-haired, bespectacled Miler sat tightlipped and expressionless by his attorneys through the first day of testimony Thursday and the previous two days of jury selection. He heard Dr. Foss and Dr. R.G. Paragas, a Burlington pediatrician who also treated Jeffrey that Saturday, tell a jury of 11 men and one woman there were bruises on the head, left side, both buttocks, and groin area of Jeffrey when brought to the emergency room.
Nurse Testifies
Testimony was also given Thursday by Mrs. Janet Dellsite, a registered nurse who cared for Jeffrey on the ambulance trip from the Burlington hospital to Iowa City about 5:30
p.m. April 12.
Mrs. Dellsite said the child had several convulsions during the 50-minute trip end vomited about seven times, She said the child’s mother also rode in the ambulance but appear “rather complacent” and “composed.” Both doctors said the child already showed signs of brain damage when brought to the hospital because he would not respond to several reflex-type tests. Both also indicated the child had received the numerous bruises in from 12 to 48 hours before he was brought to the hospital. When asked to give his opinion as to what may have caused the bruises Foss said he felt “one possibility was that
the child had been mistreated and beaten.”
Dr. Paragas said it was his opinion it “was a child abuse,” and informed Iowa City of his opinion when the child was transferred.
From the Burlington Hawkeye, June 17, 1971 at page 1:
Mrs. Miler ‘requested’ discipline
By BILL MERTENS
The mother of 19-month-old Jeffrey Rose, flatly denied Monday that William Miler ever showed dislike or jealousy for the child, or ever disciplined the child without her approval.
Diana Rose Miler, 23, who married Miler July 12, 1969 — three months after the death of the Rose child — took the stand as a “hostile” prosecution witness.
Court resumed at 9 a.m. Monday after a weekend recess in the murder trial of Miler, 23, now of Keokuk, who was charged after the April 13, 1969, death of the Rose child. Jeffrey
died in Iowa City following brain surgery. Cause of death was reported to be a head injury.
Mrs. Miler underwent over two hours of questioning by county attorney E. Dean Metz, during which she disputed earlier testimony given by several other witnesses and refuted many statements she made in a preliminary hearing two years ago in municipal court.
“Bill was very good to Jeffy,” Mrs. Miler said. “Jeffy liked Bill but didn’t like Bill and I to show our affection to one another because he was jealous.”
She described the child as spoiled because she didn’t like to discipline him, but said she
had asked Miler to discipline Jeffrey. She said he “undertook some discipline because I asked him to,” but he never did it without her approval.
Spanked Child
“I usually had to tell him to do it,” she added. Mrs. Miler said she asked Miler to spank the child Thursday, April 10, three days before the child’s death, and said Miler took the child over his knee and swatted him “two or three times.” She said the spanking caused the bruises to the groin and buttocks area testified to by several doctors and hospital employees who testified earlier. Metz referred to the transcript of the 1969 preliminary
hearing — in which Municipal Judge Gary J. Snyder refused to bind Miler over to the grand jury — and asked Mrs. Miler why now she said “two or three” swats when
before she said more.
No Immunity
(The transcripts of her testimony at that municipal court hearing were made available only after several months of court proceedings and a Iowa Supreme Court ruling stating husbands and wives have no immunity of testimony in child abuse cases.)
The sandy-haired Mrs. Miler, her voice and composure failing a little as she referred to the time following the death of her son, said she said some things “that were untrue” at the hearing. “At the time of the preliminary hearing .. . I was made to believe Bill had done
something wrong and I was mad and I said things that weren’t true,” she said.
‘Upset by Death’
“I was trying to make it look as bad for Bill as I could,” she said and added she was still extremely upset by Jeffrey’s death and almost four months pregnant with another child.
“I just wanted them to leave me alone,” she said. She said the police had given her the impression Bill had done something wrong.
Mrs. Miler said she was told by University hospitals officials that bleeding on the child’s brain was from a bruise on his forehead, but said she didn’t know how the child received the bruise.
She said the child fell down quite often and said Miler guessed the child had fallen and struck his head. Neither knew when the bruise was received, she said. She could not recall bruises covering most of the child’s forehead as earlier witnesses testified.
Mrs. Miler also quickly denied ever telling anyone Miler “had dropped the child on it
head.” Two earlier witnesses Bonnie Garman, a neighbor and Donald Henry, a newsman testified they heard Mrs. Miler say Miler had dropped the child. She said a policeman asked her at the Burlington hospital if the child had been dropped on his head, “and I denied it,” she said.
Denies ‘Beating’
She denied police reports that she ever told them Miler “beat” he child. She said she got the impression at the hospital that police “thought we had done something.” She said she noticed Friday the child apparently didn’t feel well, and Saturday she said he was “listless and very, very white.”
Mrs. Miler said she put Jeffrey to bed upstairs in the 343 Grimes Ct. apartment in the afternoon while she went grocery shopping. She said when she returned the child was
downstairs with Miler. She said the child was lying on the bed and “his legs were stiff and his eyes were staring.”
Mrs. Miler then broke down in front of the jury of 11 men and one woman.
I hardly know where to begin when reading this. What sort of a sick parent tells their boyfriend to hit their eighteen or nineteen-month-old? What sort of woman marries the man accused of killing her toddler? What was going on that she lied on the stand, either at the trial, or at an earlier hearing?
William Milar was acquitted. Diana was never prosecuted.
From the Ottumwa Courier July 14, 1972, at page 3:
Galen Miler Jr. and Donna Davis from California have been visiting in Ottumwa. They came to attend the class reunion of Galen Miler. They were guests of Mr. and Mrs.
Michael Vinyard and of Mrs. Edward Snelling and of Neoma Miler. Other guests of Mrs. Snelling were Mr. and Mrs. William Miler Sr., William Jr., and Melissa of Keokuk and Mr.
and Mr. and Mrs. Donald Snelling and children of Texas
In 2013, William Milar’s misleading obituary read:
William E. Miler, 65, of Chariton, Iowa, died at 11:04 AM Saturday, August 3, 2013, at Circle of Life Legacy Lodge in Chariton, Iowa.
William was born September 9, 1947 in Ottumwa, Iowa, a son of Galen K. and Neoma Snelling Miler, Sr. He married Diana Rose of Keokuk, on September 12, 1969, in Keokuk, Iowa. She survives.
He lived in Hamilton, Illinois, for 22 years; in Solon, Iowa, from 1996 to 2009; and in Chariton for the last three years. He earned a Bachelor of Arts Degree from Western Illinois University at Macomb, Illinois. He was employed as facilities, grounds, and safety supervisor for Cornell College in Mt. Vernon, Iowa.
In addition to his wife, Diana, he is survived by a son, William E. “Will” Miler, II of North Liberty, Iowa; a daughter, Melissa M. Burbridge (Jim) of Chariton, Iowa; three grandchildren, Grace Miler, Abigail Burbridge and A.J. Burbridge; two brothers, Galen Miler, Jr. of Arizona and Roger Miler of Ottumwa, Iowa; his stepmother, Marylin Miler of Bloomfield, Iowa; and several brothers-in-law and sisters-in-law.
He was preceded in death by his parents, his grandparents, and a son in infancy, Jeffery J. Miler.
My comments on the obituary are these: First of all, Jeffrey was not his son. Second of all, Jeffrey’s surname was Rose, not Miler. Thirdly, Jeffrey was a toddler, not an infant. Fourthly, why would Diana have stayed with him all these years?
Just who in the family wrote this misleading language in the obituary, and for what purpose?
Who killed Jeffrey J. Rose and how did it happen? This toddler died, and the autopsy revealed injuries to his genitals, buttocks, and head, with brain injury and a blood clot on the brain. He was clearly beaten to death. With no conviction, it is a cold case and people should be aware of it. The public has an interest in the criminal justice system, and its failures. The public has an interest in history, including legal history. Everything posted here is from what came out at the trial. It is public record, and was reported on in the news at the time. One possible perpetrator was prosecuted, and acquitted. The other possible perpetrator has not been prosecuted. Perhaps this other possible perpetrator SHOULD be prosecuted for killing this toddler. Being a person who wants justice for those who no longer have a voice isn’t sick and vindictive. Being a person who is concerned for the potential safety of children in the family isn’t sick and vindictive. What is “sick” is that the State of Iowa didn’t put both Diana and William on trial. There are other “sick” things that happened, but I’ll leave it at that. As an aside, there is no invasion or privacy, nor is there defamation, for sharing matters of public record of this nature.
You need to find another mission in life! Destroying other peoples lives is not a good one! This child died and not for the reasons that were published in the newspaper! These are not “sick” people! The only sick people were those people making up the stories about them!
You mean that all of the ER doctors, the paramedics on the scene, and the police officers concocted the same general story, and then formed a conspiracy to stick to that story? And then the coroner decided to conspire with them also, and falsified the autopsy report? Amazing!
The reports on this were very distorted! Unfortunately between rumors and news media it happens! I don’t believe it is up to you to judge what happened! I was there and I know what happened! Don’t you have your own life to worry about? Maybe you should be doing that!!
Btw I can honestly say that I have never caused physical harm to anyone! Can you? You can believe that or not! Your chose but please stop the harassment!
You can’t run from GOD no matter how many stories you make up. No matter how many lies you tell. He knows the truth. I wouldn’t be too concerned about what anyone on earth thinks. I’d be more concerned about what’s to come. Everyone takes that road alone.
I had been told that my ‘Uncle Myles’ just disappeared one day right after I turned 5 yrs. old & that was all ever knew. He came & was gone before I knew it.
He was my GodFather & I was named after him. He must’ve liked his Godson because I remember him often picking me up from my house, leaving all my brothers and sisters behind, & driving just me and him downtown to a candy store & getting a few bags of any candies that I picked out: candy corn, licorice & burnt peanuts or boston baked beans(the bumpy red candy coated peanuts). I’ve loved these ever since. Then he used to take me to the ice cream parlor to get a cone & Id always pick out the bright lime green sherbert that I loved. I remember he’d always pay with this big roll of dollars he’d dig out of his front pants pocket.Then he’d drive me back home & then leave & I wondered why this guy was so unusually nice to me. My siblings were so jealous when I got home.
He was a tall, soft spoken, gentle, well dressed man that became my friend from the beginning. While we were riding in his huge car to go get treats he’d always smoke a cigarette with 1 of his ‘robotic’ hooks & Id watch him accurately flick the ashes in the ash tray while the other metal hooked hand firmly steered the wheel. It was so fascinating & I just watched in wide wonder. He made me feel like I was special & he was the nicest person, the kindest person that Ive ever known even though it was in just 4 years time.
Many decades have passed since he left us, but his memory is still very vivid. I never forgot him.
I believe that he’s alive in another realm, another place & if Im real lucky, me & Uncle Myles will go riding together again to the sweets shop & take off where we left off.
Thomas, that was a nice story, of your short time hanging out with him. Its nice when older adults take an interest in the little ones in their family. They can share those life’s lessons, or just spoil them. It appears that enjoined spending time with you, and left you some fond memories.
That is a nice memory and a sweet tribute to him I think… you wondered why he was so nice to you, I think because you were his Godson, that must have meant a lot to him.
I find it interesting that she was found dead, in a room registered to her supposed former boy friend. Yet, he is not identified as person on interest. Also, her family moved back from California, and yet she is living in a hotel room.
However, I like that Mr. Reynolds, served time for rape and he was in jail for another crime, and he is allowed out of jail to work. That’s real nice. But then Illinois allowed some guy out on a weekend pass, and he kills someone.
Also elected officials here in Chicago, pressured Chicago Police investigators, to stop following John Wayne Gacy around. Then when suburban cops busted and started carrying bodies out of his house, these same investigators had to change their reports to eliminate any reference that they considered him as a suspect in the disappearance of some young men.
I agree with you!
Do we know what happened to the “boyfriend”?!
She’s dead in his hotel room but he’s not a person of interest??!!
I think it was the boyfriend.
Praying for justice!
The offenders will not talk, be considered a snitch. We hear that quite often, when it comes to gang shootings here in Chicago. It makes me wonder if the bad guys were from this neck of the woods. Also, even if they did not pull the trigger, they can be charged with his murder. These individuals have no respect for life.
I agree with the comments in regards to the supposed friend Brit. Supposedly according to Curtis, he drives her over to Brit’s so that he hang out, and she not there. So, it would be interesting to know her story. I hear everyone’s concerns about Curtis, but he was a friend of Erin’s brother. So, I would assume she would not be afraid of him. Also, I wonder if her brother had any concerns about him.
There is a case in Alabama, where a missing woman, disappeared after her evening shift. Supposedly, she supposedly told her mother that she was going to visit a male neighbor, to see a gift he purchased for his mother’s upcoming birthday. The male neighbor’s alibi, was that he was not home but on a date. Well, he committed suicide a few years ago. Also, his girl friend was arrested the girlfriend last October in connection with the disappearance, and most likely death.
^ Interesting that Pilcher was charged with a separate sexual crime, occurring at the same farm just 4 days prior to Mary Jayne’s death, and it took this long to successfully connect him to her murder.
I wonder if the police ever checked the car VIN number through either CarFax, or the National Insurance Crime Bureau. The NICB, is funder by a number of insurance companies to provide various supports in regards to insurance fraud, and also auto thefts. They have some databases that they should be able to check the VIN. Also many of their investigators are retired law enforcement investigators.
There are a number of missing person cases from around the country, where their vehicles have never been recovered. I have a list of a few of them. I hope to send the list to NICB, and have them check their databases.
Also, a number of missing person cases have been solved when they found the vehicles in different bodies of water. The problem is funding the underwater search efforts.
Thank you for sharing this. I briefly knew Jackie Shireman and worked with her Dad at the time of her murder. It was a nightmare! I’d heard that her husband was a suspect but then he mysteriously drowned. It makes me sick to this day to think about what she went thru and how her family suffered. Someone got away with murder and there is no closure for anyone who knew her or the family. I’m just thankful she hasn’t been forgotten.
I never post on this site, but after reading Little Ricky’s story, my heart is so broken, I felt compelled to send words of encouragement and support.
Little Rickey looks a lot like my oldest son looked at Ricky’s age. Which made this story even more sickening to me.
I don’t know if you are Christians, but even if you aren’t, just know I said a prayer for that sweet, innocent little soul that was your son. And the monster who did this to him, and all those that are shielding her from justice she deserves, will all pay their dues some day – they will be held accountable to God, and His son.
God bless you both – I hope He brings you comfort every night, with the knowledge that your little boy is with Jesus, and can never be hurt again. You will both see him some day. of that I am sure.
This is Christopher Rogers I’m trying to find the family of William Francis Rogers also know as bill Rogers he’s my father and I would like to get to know his side of the family
Just now seeing this in thanks to my sister in law forwarding me your search request. I am Bill’s sister, Sara, your Aunt. I live in Washington. Please send contact info for messaging or phone?
It would be nice to know what criminal activity that Delbert Beauchene, was involved with. Also, if their were others involved in this activity. I would be interesting how Maurice developed this additional evidence in regards to his son-in-law.
Delbert was not nice man, not to smart but smart enough to know there was enough evidence. He was married to Maurice daughter. From story’s Maurice was a smart man, he probably had tapes and video. 😜
I read a newspaper article on this and another cold homicide. They mention that Lewis Glenn, was shot with a .45 caliber firearm. Also, there was some shell casings. I wonder anyone knows why he was at the church. I find it interesting that his funeral service was held at another church.
Also, we have no information on what he did for a living. He is survived by three sons, but no mention of a wife or ex-wife. It makes me wonder if someone connected to his ex-wife or her family.
these abductions I truly believe were connected and really think more could have been done to solve them with todays current dna and tools,I wish cold case would jump on this and solve for the families….my heart goes out to Noreen and to all the families..I was raising 4 sons during the 80s and 90s and you can bet I watched them alot more after all the abductions totally changed the way I looked at society,,prayers that someday these will be solved..my heart says they are gone and probably murdered shortly after they were abducted but there is always hope.
I think perhaps it could be a Jimmy Saville OR Jeffrey Epstein situation…. People’s reputations were @ stake…My heart goes out to the mothers & I know it’s cold comfort…but karma’s a bitch….
How is this woman not in prison? The death of this little girl needs to be investigated and the step-mother brought to justice. American Indian step-children and non-native Step-mother, the child’s death doesn’t matter and the woman not charged with murder, does this seem to be about race?
any new information would be so greatly appreciated. s Judy’s first cousin, she was such a role model for me, I am 5 years younger and my siblings were all younger. She was my younger brothers’ babysitter, and we would have so much I enjoyed her company so much.I will never get over her murder and live with such sadness thinking how she passed and how I wish I still had her….
Hi Kelli,
I was a 6th grade student at Madison Elementary where Judy volunteered as sort of a playground director. A classmate Robert Graves used to walk to school with Judy at times and as i recall he broke the news that something was up the Monday after her murder.
Judy was beloved by all of us but especially the rowdy mischievous bunch, which I was part of. They played Bridge Over Troubled Waters at the funeral at St. Paul Lutheran. I was sitting in maybe the 3rd row slightly behind and to the left of my good friend Leroy Williams in the row in front of me.
Leroy had a scar beneath his left eye and I remember vividly the tears streaming from his eyes as a kind middle aged woman offered him a tissue.
When my kids were young we were driving back from a ski vacation in California when Bridge came on the radio. I had to explain to my wife and 2 sons why I was balling as I always do when I hear that song.
I check up on Judy’s case from time to time hoping that you and the rest of her family, and the many, like me who’s life she touched can find closure. She was a fun and wonderful person and we are all lucky to have known her.
Please pass on my prayers and condolences to her family and friends.
My dad burned me in a big trash bag when I was little. God release the child soul from all that abuse. Rebuke the child abusers pendants, and free the past from thy soul of thy witness. May St. Christopher, release bondage, from thy burns of thy past memory for life to go on and for others not to repeat the same mistake.
Why hide your name hmmm
What you thru someone under the bus by names and if he did it it will be proven that’s why I didn’t state a name wow lol angry their?
I actually know the coshows! And Tom askey. Somehow alot of this has been so misconstrued to the point where it doesn’t even make sense anymore. I have personally sat and talked to these people numerous times. The coshows are wonderful people. Very kind and gentle with kids and animals. They’re humanitarians in their own right. I guess people just believe what they want to believe.
Yes, I’m sure the step daughters that Karen very clearly abused with her husband turning a blind eye would agree.
Keara who was blinded via Drano, forced to soil herself, and ultimately killed by that whack job step-mother Karen certainly will agree when they meet each other very briefly on judgement day.
Keara will remain in heaven while that whack job Karen will be sent to the deep recesses of hell; exactly where she belongs.
Tj, law enforcement have made mistakes over the years. Here in Chicago, some detectives blamed two young black boys with murdering an 11- year old black girl. However, it was later learned that an adult male killer her. They also get stuck with tunnel vision when it comes to who committed the crime.
I was just asking questions to see if someone could put together some information on to why he might been there. If many veterans hung out there maybe someone had a problem. They have been many fights between active duty military over the years.
As a former submarine sailor we were ready to take on many surface ship Navy guys in Naples, Italy, many years ago. Also, I am a nosy guy, it comes with job I did for about more then 20 years, at a two VA Medical Centers.
I find it interesting that Marie and an a writer were planing a book on John Joseph Carmody. Also, she may have worked for the Clarksville Star newspaper. Also she supposedly interviewed Mr. Carmody, under some dangerous conditions. So it sort of puts Julia and Marie, in a situation that they might have known each other in passing. But, Marie might have known about Julia working at the lounge.
It’s mentioned that Marie received threats from women, who wanted to marry Mr. Carmody, and blamed her for him being sent to prison.
I wonder who else might have been connected with what Mr. Carmody was doing in Mason City. Would they been upset with their activities being exposed.
Bob, Davenport police arrested University of Iowa student Dwight Heninger in March 1979 and charged him with first-degree murder in connection with William Soloky’s death. Heninger, 20, was a third-year-pre-business student from Bettendorf, and accused of shooting Saloky, 28, in Saloky’s apartment just before midnight on Monday, March 12, 1979, after the two quarreled. So, yes, Davenport police consider this case solved. Jody @ ICC
Iowa actually does have a safe haven law that was enacted in 2002 after the 2001 death of Baby Chelsea. However, most of the Doe babies listed on this page were found in the years before the safe haven law went into effect.
Can’t your state make a law in which mother’s that have babies and don’t want them can bring them to fire station or churches with no prosecution or repracations from the government or law enforcement…. They can’t be killing these babies that is horrible, give these mother’s no matter the reason a way out with out hurting a child.
Sheila Foley’s body was found by Simon Borntrager, an Amish farmer who told the court he was driving his horse and buggy along the desolate road when he spotted what he thought was a “skinned deer.” When he approached the object on foot, however, he discovered it was human. 4A / DES MOINES REGISTER • Thurs., May 6,1976 LAWYER: FLESH, BLOOD FOUND ON FRAZER’S AUTO ByJACKHOVELSON
Roscoe Hulbert — a Butler County road maintenance worker — found Julie’s muddy body, nude and decomposed, in a roadside ditch along a quiet country road about a mile northeast of Shell Rock, Iowa.
So frustrated with no answers for Mom & William! There seems to be no help for us. I dont think DCI is doing a damn thing on this case. I dont like that we have no guidance and no real communication. I sometimes feel that they dont give a shit about the family left behind. Even more important, is it because they were elderly or do they have something to hide.
Kay & William deserve better than this!!!!!
Patty. Not a day goes by i dont think about them. I read so many different unsolved cases almost daily that have happened in iowa. Alot of elderly.. Seeing alot of cold cases solved recently but not there.. Alot gets brushed under the rug and my heart breaks.. So much was out there for them to follow. I dont believe it should have come to a dead end.. Dad and kay were killed on my youngest daughters birthday. So to us it is always a day of heartbreak. Instead of celebration. We need closure… I pray that some day it will ne our turn..
I know, Melonie…it is just so very unfair to Mom & William…they really do deserve better than what we have received from DCI and the gang. I know had this been one of their loved ones they’d have this case solved so fast but since it was just an elderly couple, they dont care. Well, I care and I know the rest of the family for both care. Why do we have to fight so hard to have them do their damn job.
I dont know.. I keep hoping there is something or somebody that has a better idea. We need the case opened again. Something isnt being said. Ive always wondered about those unsolved cases shows.
All the media cares about is money and sensationalism. If we want to get through to them we need to get multiple people to send messages. We could put stuff out on the group on fb and the missing page.
Roger was asleep. He was collateral damage. Rose was the focus of this crime. Both the TV and the nightstand lamp illuminated her body. The killer could pass a polygraph. But there were too many happenstances for this to be anyone other than someone Rose or Roger or both met that night. But I think Roger was asleep when the perp entered the room.
The perp would be a white male in his mid to late 20s who felt comfortable in the hotel but didn’t necessarily plan the attack. This was a spur of the moment murder and focused on Rose.
Recent article in the Gazette about how the police obtained the DNA from Jerry Burns to solve this case. Kind of interesting what the search warrant on his browser history also revealed.
Hello Yellowbag. I know it’s been a long time, but do you remember how long it typically took you to pick up and assemble your Sunday papers? Also, how many stops were on your route and how long did it take to complete the route, from the moment you left the house to returning home.
Johnny had 37 stops on his Sunday route. The Francrest Circle cul de sac has nine homes, all of which sit on small lots. It shouldn’t have taken Johnny any more than 10 minutes to drop each paper at the front door of each home. Ten minutes into his route, Johnny completed 25% of his stops. He should have completed his route in about an hour.
Timing is critical in solving this case. According to reports, the first phone call received at the Gosch home arrived between 7:00 and 7:45 am. Johnny picked up his papers around 6 am. He should have completed the route around 7 am.
It did not take long to assemble the Sunday newspapers. The advertisement inserts came separately, so it was just a matter of shoving one into each newspaper. If I remember correctly, the routes had around 40-50 newspapers each. An hour sounds about right for delivery time. There was a certain time (deadline) at which if papers were not delivered the Register would send a courier and fine the carrier for each missed delivery.
Did Johnny get some of the papers out? If so, I wonder why he would have returned to Marcourt. The Sunday papers were so big back then that it was impossible to get more than 15 or so in a yellow bag. I remember riding out on my bike, and later moped, to “stage” assembled paper bundles so I could reload along my route. If John pulled a wagon, he should not have had any problem taking all 37 newspapers with him.
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Well Fredrick James Workman in just 2 months he will be gone for 7 yrs.still not anything if u see this son u need to know that I will never give up on u this has been to long and getting really hard to deal with not knowing what happened to u..I been talking to a lawyer about a law suit but haven’t hot much answers..I don’t what eles I can do for u or this case..But I WILL NEVER GIVE UP ON U OR THIS CASE..I hope I can get something done soon.We keep doing things for ur yrs u been gone and ur birthday and we will keep it going every yr..we love and miss u so much Fredman…
I’m curious to know if there are any sightings of this young man since he disappeared? I would like to help this family get the word out on this case by using social media/ YouTube. Let’s get this case out and open again!!!! Please email me at kjbaker1973@gmail.com
I wonder if they searched her car at the airport. Was there any record of her purchasing a ticket to fly somewhere. Also, I wonder if they ever found any of her clothes.
Juli, I wonder if anyone from the police or his family ever interviewed her. She may or may not known anything about his disappearance. But, its worth the effort, to interview her and give the police and idea of her relationship with him. Its a long shot, but worth the effort.
There’s a Janis. L Fish in Mount Vernon, MO who’s somewhere in her 70’s- likely the same person. She’s likely the only person who’s still alive who might be able to give more info.
I can’t believe nobody got charged with tamper with evidence.
Is it just me or does it seem like when someone dies in this town they never get evidence to charge someone with murder?
Here’s a podcast episode about the case by the true crime podcast, Criminology. You’ll hear from Roger’s widow Marcella & Iowa County Sheriff Rob Rotter in this episode
That hot lather machine looks oddly out of place. I wonder if it’s still in evidence, and if so, if it was/could be ever tested using 21st Century forensic techniques.
YES. Three are many unidentified babies. I hope there would be a fund created to exhume and run DNA tests against databases to find the mothers. In most cases there is likely no malice but I’m guessing in a few there are crimes and maybe serial type deaths or abuse
Was it ever considered the same person who killed Groves killed George Massouris? Both cab drivers, nearby counties, and both shot 3 times. I wonder if there were other drivers killed similarly around the country and if it could be linked to someone who may have been traveling. All of these victims may be long gone, but they all still deserve justice.
In 1976, a Barbara Glueckert (14), of Mount Prospect, Illinois, disappeared after going with a friend and riding with a individual named Thomas Urlacher (24), to a concert. She never returned and they still have not found her remains. Urlacher, had a history of sexually assaulting young women, and he was and still is a person of interest in her disappearance and assumed death.
However, he was killed by drug dealers in Colorado. So, the circumstances of Bambi, disappearance so fits what happened to Barbara. Barbara told her parents she was going to a party, near by. Her friend told her parents she was going to Barbara place. However, they supposedly got freaked out listening to Mr. Urlacher’s s conversation. Barbara friend ran into a friend and left the concert with him.
He claimed in a letter that he buried her because she would tell police about him sexually assaulting her. Several investigators with Mount Prospect’s Police Dept., spent all kinds of time and resources looking for her. A lot more then expected for that time frame.
A couple of thoughts. It wonder what sort of building was thee that collapsed, where Mr. Ransford, was found. Also, I assume that this might have been a building related to the state park. This appears to be a somewhat isolated area, and who would have known the building had collapsed
Jack, I know that he was unemployed for some time. But, I wonder what he had did when he was working, and where he might have worked. I wonder why he first wife divorced him, and why. I might be trying to fill in Mr. Ransford’s background. Where know he was a veteran, and married twice. He might have been dealing with PTSD, and maybe health issues from Agent Orange.
Hello Laura.
I’m not very familiar with how this works so please forgive me if I’m duplicating messages. I’ll be happy to share with you what I know and if you or your family have any questions I’ll be happy to answer.
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Has anyone talked to Jeremiah Kubat? He was busy telling people he was there when the shooting happened. Pretty sure he either saw the shooting or saw the shooting and knows who did it. He was pretty detailed about what he was saying. He has a long criminal history and is in and out of prison. Mother and stepfather live in I believe Pocahontas, last name Mccullough. His mother use to work at the Jack links company. They will lie for him, they have in the past. Jeremiah’s last known address is 2110 Fourth Ave. N in Fort Dodge, his date of Birth is 10/22/1980. Hope this helps.
I truly hope this is a lead they need. Lisa’s family needs closure and justice and all of us who care for her want to know what happened ☹ it is heart breaking to not have answers. Lisa was one of the sweetest people you could ever meet. My heart continues to go out to her family and especially her children. My prayers continue for her family for healing, closure, justice and for her children to be strong and live out their life knowing how much their Mom was loved and take that knowledge and move forward honoring their mom and spread her love and happiness to others. I pray they can help others with what they have gone through in honor of their mom because Lisa was so happy, full of life and love. She was so positive with a huge heart and I know she would do everything in her power to help others get through such tragic grief because she was always helping others the best way she could and always with a smile on her face. She is definitely missed by many 💔😢
well today marks 18 years sweet little guy you never had a chance to grow up it breaks my heart you never got to live your life have your first bike ride learn to swim join scouts fall in and out of love,,,your life was stolen from you..your little soul will always remain young I know you are in heaven and know the truth and what really happened on that horrible night I am so sorry the system and the law failed you…with all the evil in world I hope you are at peace in heaven sweet little man….
Thank you for all you do! I hope the person or persons responsible are brought to justice.. I’m sure you’re step father knew my great grandpa and or my grandpa.
Anyone ever question Sessions Harper? I know he was in on a law suit with Bertha. He has a history of violence and murder. Any connection between Angela Altman’s murder and hers? I know the Foy family has a history of murder and violence so could it be connected to illegal activity? She clearly had run in’s with the law since she was involved with the juvenile court system.
Thanks for the update. If you discover a link, it would nice to publish it here if you don’t mind. I’d like to listen to it and presume others would as well.
I went to school with Jessica. As someone from Dodge who has seen a lot of crooked things, I believe the FDPD isn’t doing there job, do you really think they actually do work? I think if she knew/was involved with/ or friends with any Mosely’s, Foy’s, Pedigrew’s, Dikeman’s, they should really take another at them. Those families esp the Mosely’s and Foy’s are well known for violence and murder. Also, to get that close to her, it had to be a friend or someone she was involved with.
I think someone should speak to a man named Lance or Lancy Foy. He has a fake leg. While there was no way he was involved with the actual murder, he would have been a small child at the time, he may very well know who did it. He knows about 99% of the illegal activities in that town. He has a attitude problem so he may or may not talk. The she disrespected me statement sounds a awful like like a Mosely comment, so it’s worth looking at any Mosely’s she knew, male or female because the women in that family are as violent as the males.
I feel bad asking this because it’s personal and Angela is dead, could she have been having a sexual relationship with a married man or a man with a girlfriend? Maybe the wife/girlfriend found out about it. Has anyone ever spoke to Jessica’s father? Some men get evil if they have to pay child support. How she was murdered says to me it was personal. Was she involved in drugs or illegal activity? Did she hang around any criminals?
Maybe she owed drug money or just plain owed someone money? Fort Dodge is a place where rumors run wild and people tend to know everyone’s business but their own so it’s a matter of sorting out rumors from truths. Was she involved in criminal activity and knew to much? Was she protecting someone who owed someone money? Any chance of being involved in prostitution? I am trying to sort through rumors and gossip and get facts. Once you got facts, you have the person who killed her.
Dodge is not a big city and loyalty is not a huge trait in that town, once you put enough pressure on someone who may know something, I’m willing to bet they will snitch on who ever did it. Another name that comes up in gossip is Sessions Harper. He has a history of abuse and violence against women, and is currently in prison for raping and burning a woman who later died of her injuries. If she has a connection to him then it’s probably safe to say he did it. That’s the long and short of what I have heard and my idea’s. I turned 5 about 6 weeks before she was killed so everything I have heard is people talking about it over the years.
Also while I understand it is a painful subject for your family, maybe their unwillingness to talk about it may also come from the fact they know or at least have a idea who killed her. Sometimes families with protect a guilty family member, even if it hurts other people. Jessica I am very sorry about your mother and what you went through. I remember you being a very nice person and I truly hope they find out who did it.
Thank you for the comment…if possible I would like to speak with you further…my email is jmaltman1@yahoo.com if you feel comfortable reaching out to me.
Actually sids sometimes is used as a cause when they couldn’t find a cause. Genetic things can be passed on from just the mother, but it is odd that 4 died since logically it is a 50/50 chance something can be passed on to each child. Is there any way to test the bodies to see if it was something genetic? I’m not saying it wasn’t murder, but it should really be looked at since the grandmother also had so many babies die. Personally, I find it odd that no police or doctors noticed that she already had 2 dead children when the 3rd one died. Everything should be reviewed and if possible, exhume the kids bodies and look again.
Terry, you’re right, it appears not much attention has been devoted to this case. My heart breaks for Tyrese and his family, and all the cold cases so similar to this one. Whoever killed Tyrese got a Stay-Out-of-Jail pass and God only knows why. Apprehending the killer(s) won’t bring Tyrese back, but #Justice needs to be served. (Carol here)
He is my daughters best friend we are the ones that found him but some of his friends woke me up early saying he was in trouble and than took me rite to his body seems kinda funny how they knew rite where he was so much dont add up not to mention he was there for a long time tell they came and got help and i dont get why they went and got my daughter to not tell her nothing so she came to get me to get info put of them why didnt they call 911 rite away
Terry, how frustrating, to think he might have been saved if they’d immediately called 911 rather than handle it the way they did. Someone must know what “trouble” he was in and who is pulled the trigger. It’s going on a year now, and still no suspects have been named? Who is working on the case, Des Moines police Sgt. Paul Parizek, or someone else? I’m so sorry for the loss of Tyrese and I hope someone is brought to justice soon.
Linda is a wonderful caregiver, she is kind, thoughtful and very professional. I feel bad that this family has suffered tragedies but there does seem to be misguided information contained in these documents that are mostly drafted by the family members and those quick top throw stones. Any poor nurse that would have been assigned to this family would have been accused of the same. This is not a cover up but merely a family having difficulty grieving and thus blaming their misfortune on others. If there was truth to the allegations the investigating parties have an obligation to remove those people from their positions.
I have personally witnessed the care she provides I doubt that you have. Do you even know what kaexolate is, probably not. If the claims against this nurse had ANY validity she would have had her license revoked which it is not. As for what I said before, ANY nurse unfortunate enough to have been on shift that day would have been doomed with slander merely for have been present in that household of unhappy unfortunate people. Try to be better informed before making judgements regarding others.
No, I based my opinion on facts. Like what the State board of Iowa Nursing wrote in CASE N0 05-365. People who would have investigated these so-called allegations and who only found one error in this person’s care. On January 14, 2004 the Respondent dispensed a topical medication to a hospice client (client A). Although the medication could be administered per physician standing orders the Respondent had obtained the medication from another hospice client’s (client B) home where she had visited prior to her arrival at the home of (client A).” Note the language used, not once is it described as stolen or does it mention medical errors. Unless you think you know more than nurses that have their masters degree who deal with these investigations every day.
Linda signed the Board of Nurses charges against her admitting she could go to jail for administering unprescibed drugs improperly, and had been cited for withholding Ray Powers drugs that she had withheld and others she had taken from Mr. Ray Powers home after he died earlier on 1/14/2004, and had them in her car when she went to Gary Lack’s home after Ray died. Where she observed in her notes that Gary’s vomit was blood but did not get Gary any help, just left after administering two little pills and dabbing a shiny clear fluid from tubes into the back of Gary’s throat (Ray’s DBR gel). Gary ‘s throat closed and he drowned choking on the blood vomit from his fall injury, from the night before, that Linda had refused transport help to get him to the hospital ER saying she was to busy.
Seems like his murder was not really looked at not much about it on the news or anything someone seen something and ppl know and if he had more attention on his case I know it would of been solved a long time ago #LLW #JUSTICEFORTYRESE #JUSTICEFORWILLY
Since his son was the police chief, I bet thre are files from his era that document investigative efforts. If he found an answer that would cast his father in a bad light, I would suspect that the investigatioin ended then. Better unsolved than disgraced I guess.
When I went there the tour guide that lived next door at the time stated that a family of there came there the week prior and the daughter was autistic or special and when she went into the attic (where they think the killer or killers hid) she began hysterically – saying bad man bad man in white. Many wondered if a doctor or someone who would have access to chloroform – could have committed the murders.
Was the bullet that killed her ever found? And if it was – was any testing done on his 20-gauge shotgun to see if this bullet could have been fired from his gun? And if she was sexually assaulted – I would guess DNA evidence was found. Was it ever compared to the suspect’s DNA? Any of the suspects for that matter. Scary to think that this individual may have killed again. Maybe another life could have been saved if in fact this was taken to trial. Convicted or not, many more eyes would have been on him and it would be hard to him to get away with anything once his name would have been published.
the pellets that they pulled from her face matched the box of ammo they found with the weapon in tom popps possession…
and the apartments tom popp lived in were very close to where they found her..
First,I would like to offer My condolences to This Family. No parent should have to bury their Child. I am sorry to say this but I feel that those roommates are involved. Who else would have just out the blue,come and murder Him when he was well respected and Loved? Those roommates did it! Shame on them for not taking a polygraph test. Shame on them for letting these Marks Family and Friends go through the pain.
Y’all know what you did.
It’s gotta to be killing you inside
How do you sleep at night?
You have no idea what you are talking about. You didn’t even know Nick. If you did, then you would know that his friends were more of a family to him than his blood relatives who were abusive and manipulative.
Sarah ashby, or other alias you go by, please send me your actual living address, if you have one so legal can be served upon you without you hiding behind your huge girth. Thanks.
Sara ashby, you are boil and cyst on society and what Nicholas did, stood for, and accepted into his life. Ten years later you continue to attack his family and for what? Because you are a fat failure that couldn’t attract him like you wished.? Get off your love boat and feeling sorry for yourself. Everything you put on here degrades him. You unfortunately cannot be degraded anymore than the degenerate slothing scrogg that you are
You’ve started a war with my family and I fully accept it until I die. Every day it will be my purpose.
I will share my thoughts, I’m Charles mother, and he was at his cousin’s wedding wedding on August 17,2018 as his best man. They had a wedding reception afterwards, Andi talk to my son around 6:00 p.m. And told him I loved him to be safe. And I talk to my sister to and ask her to make sure Charles was safe. She said yes. I got a phone call at 3:15 a.m. that my son Charles was shot!!! And it was from a friend that got a call from from a girl from the house party. She asked her if she called called her mom which is me and she said no. So , she tried to get the police to talk to me on the phone and they refused i had to call the Muscatine police department yes I’m saying the the name because that’s the town it happened in. So i call the Muscatine police department, and the finally put me to and officer. And remind you I’m and your and a half away plus i called the father and the Aunt that said she would make sure Charles was safe. So the officer ask me if i was driving, im crying im saying no, he saying you need to hurry he is slipping away quickly so we are trying to rush. As soon as I hit Muscatine the police officer said he passed away!!! I lost it!!! When I got to the hospital remind you I have everything. I saw my son lying their in the blood. I saw where the shots were. So did my fiance. My son was shot from the left side behind the back of his lower kinda ear out to the upper the right side of his head. They tried to cover it up but we saw it. And the police call it suicide before they left police department after they got the call. The Hospital records will tell you its homicide. Just like us. The Corners report went by the police and witnesses. Their is more I should have said. And alot more to be said. But you can go to Iowa cold cases. Charles Williams Binxs Netherland. Sincerely, Penny Sue McDonnell
I lived in Sioux City at the time and was only 7. I remember everyone talking about this as it happened just a short time after a kid in our neighborhood was kidnapped and killed as well. His name was Jimmy Bremmer and he and his sisters went to our grade school. It was a rough time back then and kids were scared. Our parents actually started locking the screen doors at night which never happened before all this. The garage they mention in the article was my grandfather’s.
Wilbur Millhouse and Frank Sykora, two former Des Moines Register employees, were both convicted of sexually abusing teen boys in the 1980’s. Millhouse told me several times that he knew who took Johnny and why. Last fall, I found a photo of the man who approached me in a Ford Fairmont in 1982, and guess what–he was a Des Moines Register employee. I think the key to solving Johnny’s disappearance is to find former victims of Register employees and ask them exactly what they remember hearing around the time of Johnny’s disappearance. I know the odds are against it, but I’m wondering if any former victims read this website and would be willing to speak out? Millhouse and Sykora had at least seven victims they were charged with abusing, but there may have been dozens more who never said a word about what happened to them.
I was Roosevelt area carrier .yellow bag ever
go camping w/millhouse.I dont remember
names cant help there but have alot (everything but the fairmont) in common.play softball?
Hi Bob,
I don’t remember Millhouse ever mentioning taking boys camping, but 37 years ago was a long time (I could have forgotten). I do remember Millhouse calling me multiple times trying to get me to meet him behind his house at night. I vaguely remember playing softball once with Millhouse. Were you abused by Millhouse? Did you ever hear anything about what happened to Johnny? My thought is: If Millhouse told me he knew what happened to Johnny, Millhouse may have told his victims much much more.
Hello Yellow Bag. In an earlier post, you mentioned Sunday carriers prepared the papers at home before setting off for delivery. This makes the third different possible way Johnny started his day. A couple of witnesses had him at 42nd and Ashworth and Chris Birge said on the podcast Johnny came up Marcourt to 42nd Street. Did every carrier throughout the metro assemble Sunday papers at home? Thanks in advance.
Hi Charles,
It was entirely possible to assemble Sunday papers at the bundle drop, especially if the weather was nice. I assume Johnny did that at 42nd and Marcourt. I think it’s likely the kidnapper parked his car, walked up to Johnny, and throttled Johnny with Johnny’s own paper bag straps (the yellow bag has never been found). I talked to John Rossi, and he told me about seeing Johnny at 42nd and Ashworth before the kidnapping. John was there picking up paper bundles to take them home so his son could assemble the papers there. Some questions I still have: 1) Was the guy John saw even involved in Johnny’s kidnapping? 2) Why did Johnny walk to Ashworth if he picked his papers up on Marcourt? 3) How did Johnny’s dog get back in the house if Johnny took the dog with him?
I was 17 in 1982 not much contact w/wilbur except softball team.I was more late 70s early 80s.the phone calls the 100$ bills the creepy “kids” all to familiar.Are you a TRHS area.I’m not a victim .I was approached by a large man on foot while delivering asking where the party at ,where can a guy get some action that sort of stuff.I can remember saying something like how would i know I’m only 13. I kept my distance as he.followed on foot for ahout a block at which point I dropped everything and ran like helll 2 blocks home. Today I still say i could’ve been johnny.
True story
I was an East High student when I met Millhouse. In 1982, when my family moved and I applied for a paper route in the Four Mile area, I got a creepy phone call from someone who knew the schools I had attended and described where items were located in my bedroom. There was a wooded vacant lot next to my house and he apparently had watched me there with binoculars. I am sure now that it was Millhouse. Did Millhouse ever say anything to you about Johnny Gosch? Do you know anyone that Millhouse hung out with? Do you know anyone Millhouse sexually abused? The DM Register rehired Wilbur Millhouse in 1978 AFTER he had been arrested for sexual abuse in 1975. As someone said, “They had to have known about Millhouse because his arrest was in their own damn paper.” If you haven’t done so already, I would recommend listening to the Faded Out Podcast, beginning with episode 13. Sarah Dimeo, a journalist from Connecticut, has done a great job looking into the likelihood that Johnny Gosch was kidnapped by a local person.
Hello Yellow Bag. The questions to you answers are 1) No 2) He didn’t 3) The presence of the dog is highly questionable, as are many other facets of this case.
I think you are right about #1. John Rossi told me the blue car at 42nd and Ashworth was probably a Mercury. John remembers the license plate hanging under the bumper, not above it. PJ Smith saw a silver Ford Fairmont at 42nd and Marcourt when Johnny was kidnapped. There is no reason to assume the two cars are connected in any way, other than John Rossi saw the Mercury driver talking to Johnny Gosch. I have to disagree with you on #2. John is an intelligent man and Johnny Gosch’s photo was all over the news. I just can’t believe that John would be mistaken about seeing Johnny talking to a man at 42nd and Ashworth. John still remembers it like it happened yesterday. I have walked that area a couple times, and it is not unreasonable to believe Johnny pulled his wagon through his back yard, went east on Ashworth, then north on 42nd to get to his paper drop at 42nd and Marcourt. It may have been a longer route, but perhaps less hilly. The stuff about flashing dome lights, a man coming out between two houses, chloroform, Johnny slumped over his wagon–none of that has ever been verified by anyone.
Why do you think it is 2 separate cars? A Mercury Zephr and Ford Fairmont are basically the same car. With it being around sunrise, it is possible that one person saw the car as two tone blue and other gray/black simply because one person saw the car before sunrise, the other person after sunrise.
It was 45 minutes before sunrise and 15 mintues before dawn. It was dark as night. There is no way anyone saw anything at 6 am on the morning of September 5, 1982.
You can’t see much from the corner of 42nd and Ashworth to the corner of 42nd and Marcourt during the middle of a sunny afternoon.
You are assuming because you knew him or knew of him, that his dad would not have been complicit in his kidnapping. It might be harder to have an open mind to that possibility. However, many confirmed weirdos were able to put on a good public face, and even private face. Deception can run very deep the worse the perversion they engage in.
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JR,
Due to some threats I have received, I would prefer not to post my email address on this website. If you have any specific information on the Gosch or Martin kidnappings, it would probably be best to contact DMPD homicide. Detective Shannon has my contact information, and I have told him everything I remember about the guy who tried to abduct me in 1982. You could also forward the photos to Mark Hinshaw, a WDM attorney who knows how to contact me.
How can the FBI ignore the horrible alibi that the husband and Gugeler brothers gave. Why in the world would they park down the lane and walk to the house, unless they were going to kill her for being out late and wanting a divorce. There is DNA testing now, where you can get a composite of what the killer looks like, this has solved many lingering cases.
I wonder where the murder he witnessed took place. He has connections to Chicago, Des Moines and now Los Angeles. He most likely would be using an alias to better not be tracked online.
Right after he was missing,we were headed to Mt Ayr on hwy 2&saw a skinny man on north side of old Kerjeans’place.There is timber on the south side.There was no one else around the buildings.Tried to leave message with Clarke Co. Sheriff,but don’t know if anything happened.
I have a theory, based mostly on what I heard and saw on the evening of April 7th 1978. And something a retired Sioux Falls Policeman told me, along with info from the Wilma June Nissen cold case info.
I think a Police Captain from a party at the FOP lodge #1 murdered Wilma June Nissen April 7th 1978.
Prior to April 1978, I was walking past the FOP in old East Sioux with some friends. They were having a loud party with a lot of cheering going on, so we walked over and looked in an open door. The place was packed and they had Strippers giving a show. The girls were coming out the open door with guys and had some private sessions outside. Someone noticed us and told us this wasn’t for kids and told us to leave.
(The Fraternal Order of Police is a fraternal organization consisting of sworn law enforcement officers in the United States. It reports a membership of over 325,000 members organized in 2,100 local chapters, state lodges, and the national Grand Lodge. Wikipedia)
30 some years later, I was talking to a guy on vacation, He said he was a retired Policeman from South Dakota. I told him I grew up just east of Sioux Falls. Somehow the FOP lodge #1 was brought up. I mentioned that I had seen some wild parties at the FOP when I was a kid. He started talking about some of the wild things they did at the FOP, He said that they use to have Hookers for the Parties. And that they had them at a remote location just over the state line, so that they wouldn’t get into trouble as much when if they got caught. He mentioned that the old wild days of the FOP were over. And that the meetings at the current FOP weren’t nothing like the old days. He said that the days of having Hookers ended when a girl was found murdered and that they weren’t sure if she was from one of their parties or not. And that they did their own investigation and didn’t think that she was from their party. But he wasn’t sure. But he thought that it was a turning point for the FOP, and that they turned into more of a community helping theme. Based on what I saw as a kid, no reason to think he wasn’t telling the truth.
On April 7th 1978 some friends and I were walking into Gitchie Manitou State Preserve. It’s in the North West corner of Iowa 2 mile south of the FOP. We had parked in a parking spot on the state line and walked into the park. We heard some arguing behind some brush. It was dark and we didn’t see anyone. But we heard the arguing and what sounded like a guy wresting with a girl. And the guy was demanding that she give it to him. Then they’d wrestle some more and he’d demand she hand it over. Another voice sheepishly said, Come on Cap, let her have it she earned it. There was some silence and we heard a car door or trunk and then we heard a voice yell, NO just before the first shotgun blast. The Girl let out a scream, mid scream there was a second shot that silenced her. The shotgun kept shooting, and we all ran back to our car. We were a bit noisy getting to the car and were afraid to start the car. We saw the car lights from the area of the shots and they were heading to the other end of the park where the road entered the Preserve. It stopped for a few minute a short distance from the exit. We were discussing what we heard and we thought it was Law enforcement. We recalled that the one guy called the other Cap. And that this could have been a policeman pleading with his superior officer. It was dark but it looked like the car was white. Not black / white. It didn’t seem to have any shinny logo on the side. When it continued and left the Preserve, it went out of view and we were ready to take off north on the highway if it turned our direction. I didn’t notice or see lights on the roof. The car drove off into Iowa. We decided to drive into the Preserve and see what we could. When we entered the Preserve we drove up on a Truck and Cabover camper in the area that the car had stopped. Two guys in there mid 20s were standing next to the back camper door. We had to drive right past them. We were scared and thought for sure we were going to get shot. Our headlights were on them and they didn’t have any guns. They took a couple steps toward us, but just watched us drive by. It was a dead end into the Preserve and we had to turn around and drive past them again. They just watched us again. We got out of the Preserve and stopped and watched them at a distance. They started their truck and headed toward the exit, we notice a taillight out, and a running light that went out when the brakes were on. They turned our way and we had the impression that they were chasing us, and we took off down some gravel roads, got lost a bit. Seemed like an hour later, we came up behind them on a highway. There was a couple cars between us. We thought it was the Truck and Camper and when they hit their brakes, we knew it was the same truck. we decided to follow it and get a license plate number. Shortly after it turned right, it hit its blinker to go left down a gravel road. We didn’t feel comfortable turning right behind them, so we went down the highway a bit and turned around and came back to the gravel road they turned down. We soon came up on them, and they were parked on the side of the gravel road. I was in the back seat and Todd and Dean were in the front seats. They both said “there they are”, and then said that they are in the ditch, they were coming out and throwing something. I asked if it was a body. They both said no. then they said it was a shirt. At this point I can see the guy running to get into the passenger door, but I was focusing on the license plate. Dean was driving and Todd and I were trying to get the plate number. We passed them just as the guy got into the truck. and they must have recognized the car and gave chase. They gained on us fast. And I was yelling at Dean to go faster. I was looking back and Dean was slowing up for a one lane bridge that sent us airborne a bit. And I was looking back at the Truck and Camper about to run us over. It started swerving and had to get to the middle of the road to make the one lane bridge. The Truck was a one ton dually and he barely got centered on the bridge, the truck and camper went airborne and it looked like the camper was going to fall off. The truck was going too fast for the bridge and he got a little sideways in the air, and got sideways when it landed. The driver over corrected one way then the other, and the camper was rocking, but he straightened it out and started after us again. We got on pavement and they couldn’t keep up. This section of road before the bridge where the two were in the ditch is the same section they found Wilma June Nissen 6 months later. We later that night came up on them again. We follow them and they stopped and washed themselves in a run off creek north of Brandon S.D. a couple miles. We got the license plate again. 9803ME.
I’ve talked to Lyons county a few times over the yrs. And they say it has nothing to do with the Wilma June Cold Case. But I still think she is who I heard scream.
I notice the same truck and camper in the summer of 78. I followed it a bit. They still didn’t have the taillight and camper running light fixed. Same plate 9803ME. It pulled into a parking area on 10th Street in Sioux Falls and an older guy got out and when around and opened the door for his wife. Seemed like a retired couple, but the guy was short and had a wide head, round just like one of the younger guys that we saw April 7th 1978, I figured that the kid must have borrowed Dad or Grandpa’s truck and camper that night.
Ken Nurre, I assume you are related. Although it was long before your time, my apologies. It is hard to think of even a stranger in Mr. Nurre’s situation, much less a relative who is loved without even having to know him.
And then comes the possibly inappropriate question, which if it is, forgive me. But… any theories passed down over time?
The girl killed in the dry cleaning shop on Fleur was named Linda Boothe, and it happened pretty much how you remember it Nancy. She is not mentioned here and the only info online is an image of the archived newspaper. I hope she is eventually included.
All of you involved in the creation and maintenance of this site are doing a good, it is important stuff, and these victims deserve justice. Thanks.
Maggie, thanks so much for your kind words about this site. Linda Boothe is not included here because her case never went cold. She was killed Nov. 20, 1968, and Michael C. Niccum was charged in her death and found guilty during his 1969 trial. All best, Jody @ ICC
I am producing an in depth podcast episode about this case, and I am looking to connect and talk with anyone who might have info, or be connected to the case as far as being hotel staff, or witnesses, etc. Contact me here- http://themurderinmyfamily.com/story-submissions/
Hi,
Idk, if you know this already but Belle in the Well was identified as Louise Flescher in July of ’19. That is a very good guess, though. Age, describrion, and time were close.
Here is some additional information about this case. According to newspaper articles published in 1996, Humberto Cortez was a Mexican citizen who was 31 at the time of his death in the United States. Over his life, Cortez entered the United States numerous times and had a criminal record (though the specifics were not given in the articles). The Associated Press ran an article on September 11, 1996, which quoted Iowa DCI Special Agent Bob Henderson’s announcement that the body was identified after a positive match to the victim’s fingerprints were obtained through the automated fingerprint identification system operated by the California Department of Justice.
The manner of death and the discovery of the body is as follows in roughly reverse chronology. At approximately 10:15 AM on Friday, June 21, 1996, a load of steel inside an open-roof train car was inspected as it was pulled into a facility operated by the Paxton & Vierling Steel Company. Inside the car, an employee of the steel company discovered Cortez’ body in a state of heavy decay. Prior to his death, Cortez had been beaten and then stabbed in the heart. According to Agent Henderson, the victim had been deceased for two to three days at the time the body was discovered. At the time the body was discovered, investigators described the victim as a “white or Hispanic” male between the ages of 25 and 30.
Investigators were able to generate a timeline of the train car’s whereabouts, which provided a likely place of death. The train car had originated from Texas, where it was loaded and sent north. Approximately a week and a half prior to the discovery of the body, the car arrived at the railyard in Council Bluffs, Iowa, before crossing into Omaha, Nebraska. It remained stationary at Omaha until the morning of June 20, 1996, when it was moved to the facility at Carter Lake. It arrived at about 9:00 AM but did not receive further processing at that time. The body was discovered when the car was moved into the steel company’s facility about 24 hours later. This suggests that Cortez died while the train car was in Omaha, suggesting the same was his place of death. In addition, this suggests that his date of death was approximately between June 18 and June 20 of 1996. Police did not say whether he was killed in the train car or the body placed there at some point afterward.
Paxton & Vierling Steel Company, now called PVS, still operates in Carter Lake and is owned by parent company Owen Industries. I believe that “Humberto Cortez” may not have been the victim’s full, legal name, making it difficult to find information about the man in Mexican sources. While his date of birth was not provided, the AP article from September 11, 1996 provides an age which corresponds to a birth year of either 1965 or 1966. Because Cortez’ fingerprints were on-file in California, he may have had a criminal record in that state. Agent Henderson did not specify the state in which Humberto had a record, or the nature of that record. Based on the fact that he was known by law enforcement to have been in and out of the United States, it is possible that his record included immigration-related offences.
I have not been able to locate any details on Cortez’ personal life, his occupation, or other places of residence.
I hope this information helps answers some of the questions that have been asked, as well as fills in some “blanks” and clarifies some of the facts.
I’m now 37 years old. I still think of my dad. And how many of my family members died without knowing. I wonder if his killer is still alive. Why ? Please if anyone reading this knows or thinks something might help, no matter how small, please contact the detectives.
Carter lake is one of many places on both sides of the river where each stage has land in the others boundary. Carter lake is the only full city though. I was there the day Mr Cortez was found. In his state of decomposition there would have been no usable dna. Imo he died when the cars were connected causing the load to shift and Mr Cortez was killed by the ibeams
This gentle men seems to meet all the quailfications of the man that was found in the old no frills in council bluffs a few days ago. 05 to 19. That’s 14 years of chances to be mumiffied, also the hair is of the corpse is African hair. The corpse defiantly looks to be a male as well. I think they found him.
There are no details to support him being considered as endangered/physical. It would be nice if the authorities provided more details on his conditions.
Patrick, how do you know that there are no details to support Mr. Blair being considered as endangered/physical? In fact, that is precisely how the Iowa Department of Public Safety’s Missing Person Information Clearinghouse describes his “incident type” (aka classification).
Authorities provide the details on any given case on a need-to-know basis, meaning that they release whatever information they can without jeopardizing an ongoing investigation. There are certain details, for instance, that only a killer would know or only an abductor would know. In a missing persons case, they are often provided limited details by whomever reported the individual as missing.
Iowa’s MPIC website continues to change day to day as people are reported missing and others are found. If the investigating agency provides them with a photo, then they include that on the site. The folks running the MPIC site do a remarkable job of keeping the pages updated, and it is not their responsibility to provide details on the potentially “hundreds” of questions that any given person might ask. It is their job, however, to maintain an updated database, and they do that extremely well.
Jody, thanks for your response. But it would be nice to know a bit more. I am of the opinion that law enforcement could do a more detailed search if they knew more about a person’s medical or physical condition.
In the last 2 years I came across a psychological disorder called “Dissociative Fugue”, a form of amnesia, that is caused by severe emotional trauma, such as marital discord, PTSD, a death in their family. The person completely loses the link to their memory, and flee where they live.
In a search for someone with this disorder, we might look at whether they were on foot or driving. They we create a search area, and alerts other agencies, medical facilities, and homeless shelters, to be on the alert for a person matching that description. The Salvation Army has a Missing Person’s Bureau, which can be used to alert their facilities around the country.
Their are several individuals who have had several episodes of this condition. One of them is a Hannah Upp, who disappeared in New York, and was found alive floating in the Hudson River. She disappeared in Maryland, and was found within hours. Then she disappeared on a island in the Gulf of Mexico, due to an approaching hurricane, and has not been found.
I was a police officer and detective at two VA Medical Centers in Chicago. When we had a missing patient, whether an out or in patient, we had to determine is full medical condition, and mental status, so that we could notify the hospital director, who would authorize us to notify the Chicago Police Department. This would add more resources in a search for the person.
We had situations where an out-patient completed their appointment, and left before their family showed up to taken them home. Quite often the family would say he or she was confused. When we called the patient’s home, later, they would answer the phone. When asked how they got home, their response was taking the bus. So, I guess they were not that confused.
So, I get frustrated with many of the missing persons, where their is very few details on their disappearance. I don’t understand how law enforcement don’t dig for more details. They have access to more resources then I had, yet we were required to get as much information as possible. I am used to digging through records, especially medical ones, looking for information, clues, etc. This was hard when the medical records were hand written. Plus we had to know the medical lingo.
I was wondering if he ever used the VA, for medical care. It’s something to look into. Also, it appears no activity on his SS #.
His siblings should have checked on him, when they he called about needing money. This way they could have identified what was going on that he had medical issues, or was being exploited by this couple.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Cannot dwell on what if’s now. You think the family doesn’t know this and probably has guilt issues without the comments to assist!
I honestly can’t remember! I grew up in Storm Lake and still live here, so I was around when it happened. But I really can’t remember what race the baby was!
Wow…just came across this story…Is Kline Goeders the same one who is involved with Leader Dogs for the Blind? Unbelievable no one has done anything with this case if the involved persons are known! Prayers for Mamie’s family…I remember hearing this story about her growing up in Laurens, Iowa
Why doesn’t someone contact the Governor or the media. I’d like to see this solved. There is cold case justice with Kelly Siegler or 20/20, dateline, forensic files many sources.
I have a strong feeling that everyone is too focused on his drug addiction as motive to his disappearing! Think out side the box, ppl don’t always kill ppl that owe them $ the logic is “how can adead or missing person pay back debts . It makes me suspicious of local police department having cover up an accidental death. I pry this family will be able to get the answers for there questions. I cant begin to imaoima the pain of not knowing. God bless this man and his family. Please listen to me as I can get strong feelings of the answers lies in the lack of not wainting to investigate leads. Police department, state trooper, possible even Drug enforcement officers.please look into this your time won’t be wasted… Rodney Clint clark
Since a shotgun was used, their would be no shell casings. Most likely there might have been some stray pellets. These might point to what size shotgun was used. Somebody knows who did this and is protecting them.
There was a guy in Ohio, who found the body of a girl, and claimed that a mentally damaged young man, was standing over her body, with a weapon used to kill the girl. The young man was arrested and confessed, but then he would confess to being in Ford’s Theater when Lincoln was shot if pressured.
Luckily, he was released. It turned out a newspaper journalist decided to relook at the case almost 40 years later. It led to the family of the guy who claimed to found the other guy, to admit that he actually kidnapped and killed the girl. He was dead from cancer. They had no problem with protecting him all those years. Plus he had a previous criminal record of some sort.
The local police apologized to the family for the lousy investigation done by the department all the years ago.
Frank, that’s sounds like a possibilty, from the map showing the location. However, if there is a current his vehicle could have been carried downstream. However, it depends on the depth of the river in the area. Thee are a number of vehicles found underwater, that contained remains of some people missing for years. The problem is spending the money to conduct a search. The main tool is side scanning sonar. It also time consuming endeavor.
Frank, I checked a map and did not see any lock and dams on the Missouri, so the vehicle could floated downstream. Would there have been a boat ramp near the casino. Also was this a populated area, and if he entered the river would anyone have heard or seen anything.
I searched on-line for more information on the Missouri River, and the main channel depth was about 6 feet. However, a few Coast Guard vessels ran aground, so it was deepened to about 9 feet. Their was no mention of how wide the river is.
I could not find any reference to what the current speed was. But there are some dams on the river, but they are connected to generating electricity.
Frank, you mention a Argosy Casino, however, it does not appear on any of the AAA Road Maps I have of Sioux City. There is one in Kansas City, along the river.
So, if his vehicle went into the river, it might not have gotten into the main channel. But, I don’t know the dimensions of the Ford F-150.
Patrick, with all due respect, many, many efforts were made by local law enforcement agencies to try and locate Mr. Robinson. If you read any of the newspaper stories published about his disappearance (under “Sources,” it includes links to those articles), you will see what investigators have done thus far, and it is substantial.
In any story about Dale Robinson’s disappearance, one cannot reasonably expect the reporter to “mention how wide the river is/was at the time” or the speed of its current. But, for what it’s worth, when LE officials do believe a person and his/her vehicle may have gone into a river, the depth and current are obviously taken into consideration during the investigation’s initial first phases.
I’m well aware (from your multiple comments throughout this site) that you are a former investigator with the VA Hospital in Chicago and investigated items/things that “went missing” from the hospital, to include veterans that disappeared. It’s not uncommon for veterans (or even civilians for that matter) to voluntarily leave a medical facility, but when VA patients go missing, there’s at least a reasonable amount of knowledge as to where the patient may “likely” have gone. Not so with civilian cases, particularly when one appears to have just vanished into thin air.
I was just responding to Frank’s comments. I was looking into stuff about the Missouri River. If you are familiar with the missing Guthrie Family from New York. The local authorities said that her vehicle could not have gone through the ice into a local lake. That you could have driven a car onto the ice.
However, someone who lived in the area commented that she would not consider it smart to have driven a car or other vehicle onto the ice of this lake or any other one. So, I was looking at the Missouri River, to satisfy my interest, in one way.
Since, we have found a few stolen vehicles in one of artificial canals that were built or added on to the Chicago River. The Chicago River’s flow was changed to take the garbage, and whatever down stream and away from Lake Michigan.
One of them contained the remains of a Diane Masters, whose husband was an attorney for the Chicago Mob, and involved in corruption in law enforcement and political areas in this neck of the woods. He decided to get rid of her before she revealed his connections,
A human body is one thing, it is fairly small and will decompose over time. But the truck can’t fly away, is easily indentified by license plate or VIN, and will not decompose. So it should have turned up by now. So, unless you are inclined to believe he met with foul play (I strongly doubt it), the truck, and probably him, is in all likelihood submerged in a body of water. What are the other options? Truck isn’t gonna disappear. Go ahead and google the lake in Oklahoma where two cars were found containing the bodies of 6 missing persons from the 60’s and 70’s. Or the 3 missing vermillion girls found in the creek in their car after 40 years. If a person and their vehicle disappear into thin air, it’s submerged or foul play was involved, period, end of story. I lean very strongly towards he accidentally drove into a body of water.
Frank, I agree with your comments about the the lake in Oklahoma. I have been trying to collect information on these cases from around the country. Sometime last year a man, while cutting his grass noticed part of a vehicle sticking out from a pond on his property. The authorities drained it and found the vehicle of a woman missing after leaving a veterans post supposedly driving home, on a Indian reservation.
Side scanning sonar has been used in a number of these cases. It also expensive to conduct a search. I have been looking at one of the tools we used in the U.S. Navy, to search for submarines called Magnetic Anomaly
Detection. It’s was something we had on land based P-3C Orions, and also on some navy helicopters.
It might something faster. Also, I wonder about the Unmanned Underwater vehicles the U.S. Navy is testing. They might be more useful, to use, with a model, with out all the bells and whistles, they have.
I just watched the Jodi H case on 48 Hours, and did a little digging online to find, surprise surprise, the piggies were involved in her death. I guess she was asking all the WRONG questions in a 100% satanic system she unknowingly got involved with. (media & jewdicial system).
WOW THERE ARE OTHERS: THE WOMAN WHO GOT KILLED BY THE HOSPITAL AND EVERYONE KNEW WHO DID IT NO ARRESTS! THE BODY FOUND IN THE GARAGE LAST YEAR I THINK? THE GUY WHO JUST DIED AFTER BEING IN BOOTLEGGERS! I AM SURE A LOT MORE!
Lora you reference a Steve Klein, in regards to three cold cases in Iowa. Do you have more information in regards to his connection to these cases. Also, the ex-husband would be a person of interest in her murder, since there was a custody battle of sorts over their child. Being a mean guy, is not exactly proof that he killed her. Law Enforcement need more facts and a district attorney, would have to back them up before a judge.
Police confirmed that her husband was out of town with many family members validating that fact. Of course it’s possible he hired to have it done but law enforcement do not think he was involved per the articles I’ve read.
Seems to me she “was in the wrong place, at the wrong time”.
We’re definitely aligned in that it’s very possible that her husband (or anybody for that matter) could establish an irrefutable alibi and still be responsible by having a proxy do the criminal act. I said as much in my post.
The husband moving away could be a function of guilt (as suggested) or him/her being inappropriately labeled within the community.
If he was responsible, he should spend the rest of his life in prison.
Why would a young seemingly healthy woman go out to a remote location alone.? That is just playing out her luck. I would be scared of a pindrop out there.
She went fishing at a lake. She texted her friends and posted while there. She even said she saw people having sex in a car while there. I don’t think people should be afraid of going to a public dock during the daytime to go fishing. I’m more curious on why no one has came forward and admitted to being out there since she did see other ppl there. That’s what seems weird. Either a set up from her soon to be ex hubby or just random act of violence.
Is that John Joseph Carmody puke at all related to Mark Carmody of Sturgeon Bay? That particular puke molested numerous Sturgeon Bay kids back in the 1940’s and 1950’s, and got away with it. Not one freaking Sturgeon Bay parent did their job.
Delphine, thanks for looking at these cases, from long distance. Hopefully, someone will look at this Gary Lynn Frazier character. Who knows there are other links between these victims.
Your observations keeps people’s mind relooking at the details, and maybe someone will connect them. Who knows how many other murders of young women, in other states are linked.
Was the abduction done by CIA?do tou think the FBI didnt do anything for johnny gosch?do U.S government supports pedophilia ring?is jeff gannon johnny gosch?do child sex trade exists in USA anymore?is paul bonacci still alive?do cia and fbi still help children abusing?why it was no justice for johnny gosch?why the FBI didnt interviwed paul bonacci?is usa safe to live?was the emilio worked in the cia?why the court didnt charged larry king?was johnnys father involved in the abduction(was john gosch sold johnny to the ring?)was michael aquino(the colonel)charged with any cime?how much did you spend on private investigation?what did the FBI do for you?is jeff gannon johnny gosch?who supports child sex trade in the america?was the illuminati or freemasons involved the crime?
Those are very good questions. Please visit myTwitter profile at https://twitter.com/goschjohnny I answer many of your questions there and have been presenting some of the evidence I have.
Although I was not born during these tragic events that affected Waverly and its region, it is unimaginable not to feel sadness and compassion for Julie’s family and loved ones. I hope that the police investigation will give them the answers they have been waiting for so many years. Despite the distance between my native France and the United States, I’m haunted by this dark affair and the deep sense of injustice that this crime generates. As a journalist, I feel compelled to hunt down the truth wherever it is hidden, in order to honour Julie’s memory. Since I started studying this case, I have felt a deep sense of injustice and many questions…
Is there a link between Julia’s murder and the events of December 2, 1975 in Oelwein? In the killer’s process, there are many similarities with the murder of young Sheila Foley. Did the police go to the anamosa state penitentiary to question Gary Lynn Frazer about his schedule on the fateful evening of November 28? Is it a coincidence that the crimes have stopped on Waverly since his arrest? Anyway, I’m wondering. Like the famous letter sent to the police from Oelwein. Can’t we collect traces of DNA from the envelope? And the city of Oelwein which keeps turning our eyes away from Waverly; As if someone rightly or wrongly wanted us to turn our eyes towards this neighbouring city…
Of course, I don’t draw any conclusions, I am just trying to understand. Thanks.
For this case I’ve always wondered where she was going. She was last seen at 11pm on New Year’s Eve, but was also reported missing on that same day apparently. Was she reported missing before or after that last sighting? Where she was last seen is mostly apartments. If she was out and about at 11pm on New Year’s Eve she was probably going to some party or to meet up with some people. Was she alone when she was last seen?
This makes me sick to my stomach. My heart goes out to you and your family, Veronica. I was born and raised in North central Iowa, lost both parents to cancer. As for ALL those involved in this cover up, no amount of money or piously sitting in church on Sunday will save them from the fires of hell. Have you ever reached out to Erin Brokovich? She has a website where she can be contacted. It would be worth the try.
It sounds like there is a major problem in Mason City, Iowa. It would be nice of an outside agency to come in and investigative. Maybe, we can get the KGB, to get to the bottom. They don’t have to worry about being probable cause, warrants, or Miranda rights. They will figure out the truth. Then the bad guys can be sent to some salt mines in Siberia.
I’d like to know if Brian’s cousin, Jerry Burns, ever participated in the searches for Brian. What was his demeanor after Brian’s disappearance (on the anniversary of Michelle Martinko’s murder) and three days after an anonymous tip the authorities deemed as “credible.”)
My dear mother Ellen passed away December 10th of last year, she is now with her sister in heaven and both are enjoying them selves. My moms sister loved the Lord, and so did my mother, both are rejoicing today. The man that murdered my aunt is dead, and he will have his day standing in front of the king of kings and account for his crimes. It is ended.
Jody Ewing can provide you with my email address. She said she sent Janette an email. I’m on Facebook too, please find me! I wanna talk to her so bad.
I had no clue how much Janette and her mom looked alike. It kinda took my breath for a sec. Jdday2001@yahoo.com – does your daughter look like her too? I so hope you see this and reach out to me.
I agree the FBI, should be involved in this case, since it crosses state lines. However, the only record they would have had would be an entry to NCIC, that she was missing. So, it falls on the locals to determine what happened, and who is responsible. However, the family should have sued this Joseph character, for his leading her high and dry, which somehow led to her murder. Also, age wise she was a minor, and he could be charged with a federal crime.
It would be nice to know more information on this Joseph character. At least the detective in Washington, D.C., recognized her otherwise she would be an unidentified Jane Doe, until DNA from the family,
Interesting… wrong is wrong and one should be punished for wrong doings, but in americal a white man who rapes AND kills gets 10 years with 2 years time served and potential for early release and a black guy committed of raping a woman gets 25 to life–she is still living by the way. wrong is wrong and both should be punished but tell me how this is fair?
My father went to his grave thinking it was a woman that killed her and her name was Chris kiburtz at the time as I was on a bowling team with her and right after that she had hurt her wrist in a “volleyball game” at the bernedes center in Monticello and when she came to bowling she was constantly looking out the door saying they are coming to get her and we said who and she said the people whatever that meant she was very fidgety at the time and shortly after that she moved to Chicago
Hello Lisa, I actually have no idea who you are and you obviously don’t know me very well! Nothing you just said is true other than the fact that I did bowl (not with you) and I did play volleyball. I am responding to this because good friends of mine in Monticello saw this and are very angry with you for the slander and defamation of character! I’m not happy about it either, but those who know me know that this is nothing I would, or could, ever do! Cathy was my friend and I was very close to her brother as well. When I got the news of her death it was unbelievably heartbreaking!! I had been in Chicago for Christmas and when I pulled into the driveway the following day , my neighbor (Cathy’s cousin) informed me of everything. I did everything I could to help police find who did it. I moved back to Chicago 4 months later because my divorce and just become final and this is where I am from. All my Family is here, so naturally I moved back. I do and always have come back to Monticello every year to see my very close friends that I made while living there. You can think what you want, but you could not be further from the truth! Christine Schejbal (Kiburz)
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We need to get a retainer for the complaint That Tim Allen has filed on Union County officals!! This is a Shot for us to get Rickys case files and force Piel and Kenyon to own up to what has been covered up for so long! Please donate if you can!!! We need to raise $2,500!!! https://www.gofundme.com/f/attorney-needed-asap-for-ricky-morehouse-cold-case
Still hoping DNA could solve the George A Leonard case. My 90 year old mother in law and the entire family would still like closure to this senseless act.
I find it interesting that there is no mention of a husband. So, I assume she may have been married and divorced. There is a mention of the police being sent to do a well being check, by her daughter, who lived out of town. The grandson and granddaughter’s husband, going to check on her. But, there is no reference to any of her family surviving her.
Also, she was running some sort of massage business out of her home. I assume that she had a background in physical therapy. However, someone may have thought it might be a massage parlor, with a more sexual atmosphere. So, they go there and have certain expectations, and find something different, and took out their frustrations on Mrs. Swetnam. Then ransacked the place, looking for something of value.
These are only assumptions, but hopefully it will get others to add comments or observations, to further the conversation, and generate some leads.
Based on Cheryl and Gregory Williams comments, which I find very credible, it seems to me the best chance of the family receiving justice is if the DNA matches Goose and he implicates Therese Miller. This scenario assumes that Miller’s DNA isn’t a match if her role was actually limited to luring Ron Novak to the door.
The fact that Goose is under the Witness Protection program may be an asset. Leverage may exist (again if his DNA is a match) that he will be charged and his Witness Protection revoked. Goose wouldn’t last long in prison in the general population as he already “snitched” once, he would have little choice but to talk. Offer him a deal with less time to implicate Miller and put him in protective custody in prison and then back in Witness Protection program upon his release.
If the DNA matches the other deceased killers, there is little chance the leverage exists for Goose, Miller, or other members of The Chosen Few that may know something to have them talk.
Was John Wayne Gacy ever checked out? I know he was in Iowa/Illinois around that time and there are still unidentified bodies. Just wondering. I have prayed about this off and on or many years since I was a little girl.
Guy Heckle is my nephew. As I remember it, Guy’s dental records were sent to the authorities investigating the John Wayne Gacy case with no match found. One detective in particular was in touch with my sister regularly and would send dental records whenever unidentified remains were found. Thank you to everyone for keeping this unsolved missing person case in the news.
Hello Janet! My name is Lilly Usher, and I would like to do an episode on Guy for a podcast I run about missing people in Iowa. I would like to get permission from his family before I would make an episode on him, and possibly interview his family. If you would email me that would be great! my email is lillyusher1@gmail.com
Each day is met with this loss not unlike the day before. A place of alone I cant dscribe. A living hell, is this place that I have been banished to. All alone in the knowledge of what occurred, digesting it daily, considering it and re-considering it, only to come back to find myself again awakening to the repetitious nightmare that has became my life
I’m just glad that with today’s advanced technology the police are able to crack cold cases such as these from so long ago. A century ago, and perhaps even as late as Martinko’s death year of 1979, I don’t know if cops anywhere on Earth could EVER have brought a killer to justice after so many years.
I don’t have words for this. I am shocked an amazed in the most terrible way. I can’t believe I didn’t hear more about this when it happened. I will be doing some research to see if anything else has ever come of this, and the previous, case. Into the cradle of God’s arms these children are delivered, and that is the only solace we can take from such tragedies. My heart goes out to the entire community for knowing that such a thing happened in their midst.
The photo of this child caught my eye, and though i never knew him or anyone involved, my heart goes out to the family and anyone affected by this terrible tragedy. The loss of any child is a loss to the entire world. I wrote a short story one time that dealt with the loss of children. And though this excerpt is about different circumstances, it shines a light on the feelings we all share when a child is gone.
“I saw an angel, dad. A real angel.”
Gently, David leaned over and took Dev into his arms. He fought against the tears welling in his eyes. “You did?” The words came out broken, trying to sound happy and still containing the sobs looming in his chest.
“The angel told me that some us get a lot of time,” Dev said quietly, “and some of us don’t.” His eyes sparkled with the excitement his exhausted body couldn’t show. He struggled to catch his breath and went on. “He said that when a child enters heaven, he is placed into the cradle of God’s arms. That can’t be bad, can it?”
There was no word in any tongue he could have spoken to his son at that very moment. There was no feeling profound enough to contain the emotion of a child’s readiness to die. He did the only thing he could do. He held his son in his arms and wept.
Know that even though I never knew this family, I grieve the loss of this precious child, and that not all empathy is lost in this world.
What a fascinating, and tragic journey on this case. My heart goes out to all affected. I truly hope justice was finally served for this young woman and her family.
This was a murder. The female driver of the pickup, did everything to throw Gregg out of the pickup bed. She ran him over. Got out of the vehicle and said something like…that m_____ f_____, better be dead. The witnesses to her erratic driving up and down the grassy ditches, kept their mouths shut. They had jumped in a vehicle, to watch what happened next. No One spoke up. I am ashamed they were all from the Adel area. My question to each and everyone of them hanging at the camp grounds…What if that were Your Child, Brother or Dad ??? This is a very ugly case. Just 1 of these people could have spoke up. This is in no way a threat…if karma was fair…each of you who knew and didn’t speak up…should have the privilege of a murdered family member without justice. How do you think the Nimmo family feels? His son was traumatized and overwhelmed And Commited Suicide….let me say that again.. SUICIDE….a young member, his son, is Now Dead because No One Spoke UP…to help this family have closure. How Do You Sleep at Night ??? How many sociopaths do we have walking around Adel? Well, at least all these people. I know I came across mad and harsh. I wasn’t there…But I Love this Family. No One deserves this outcome. So Shame on those of you, who let this slide. You are as responsible for this child dying, as the women who ran Gregg down. I grieve for this family and will for the rest of my life on this Earth. Can you even imagine…how these secrets have corroded Your Soul?? Oh, by the way, (It Is Never To Late To Do The Right Thing.) Have a Good Life. P.S. The Nimmo Family members got up that day with no idea, Gregg would be murdered Another day, not long after, the Family had No idea that the unthinkable would/could occur……that would be, when Gregg”s son, Committed SUICIDE. Please help this family find Closure and Peace. Please, I beg of You, Give the Authorities what they need to solve this case. Sincerely , me
Virginia, this might be something of use. A Melissa Stender, filed for divorce from Phillip Stender sometime in 2008. Also, they were married in 1993, which made me interested. It appears from a lawsuit that she filed against her attorney, that Phillip physically and sexually assaulted her, after being notified that she was trying to divorce him. I assume this was not reported to the police.
What, I find interesting is that the attorney Anthony Zane Blessum, had represented her husband on something previously. The attorney did not determine the exact financial background of her husband. Also, the attorney started a relationship with Melissa, that lasted for a period of time. Then when she found out that he was having an affair with other women, she supposedly attempted to take some pills. He attacked her and also tried to force her to vomit.
So, I think someone needs to look at both Mr. Blessum and what he was involved with representing Phillip Carl Stender. Also, who knows what Melissa might or might not know. It would be interesting to know when they married. Also, if she has any connection to Mr. Terrell. I don’t know her maiden name.
Virginia, a Melissa Stender divorced her husband Phillip sometime in September 2008. Upon notification of the divorce action her husband supposedly went to her residence, and physically and sexually assaulted her. Her attorney at the time was a Anthony Blessum, who had been a Madison County attorney for a period of time. But he had represented her husband previously.
Well, Mr. Blessum developed a relationship with Melissa, and when she challenged him about seeing dating other women, he got aggravated, and she tried to smack him. She then may have taken some extra medications and he got physical with her, which ended when the police arrived. She was hospitalized, and she sued him for malpractice in regards to her divorce from Phillip. It appears that Mr. Blessum, did not properly investigate Phillip’s financial standing.
Also, they were married in 1993, the same year that Mr. Terrell disappeared. I think that maybe if someone tracks her down, she might be able to provide some information about her ex-husband, and his activities.
Thank you, Mr. Kerrigan. I believe that the detectives already have interviewed Melissa Stender. I am not sure how you are connected to this case, but I do know that any help you can offer to the detectives in charge of this cold case would be very appreciated by Phil’s family. Please contact the detectives right away.
Virginia, I am not connected to the case. I don’t even live in the area. But decided to see what popped up on-line. I am a former detective with the federal government, and like to dig for stuff. I used to dig through government property records to track down unaccounted for property when a department could not find it.
It’s a bad habit, but then it was something I learned while serving on a submarine in the U.S. Navy, for that habit.
I wonder what that attorney did for Phillip. Since there is a reference to Phillip being upset about the sale of the moving company. Also, the attorney was a lawyer for Madison County. So it makes me wonder.
Very interesting that his first cousin was arrested for murdering Michelle. But Angela comments could mean he left on his on. But then maybe he blackmailed his cousin, and that’s where the pile of money came from.
Any relationship to Jerry Burns who was arrested for the Michelle Martinko murder. Seems strange Brian went missing on December 19. Michelle went missing years before on Dec 19 1979.
I know Jerry and it’s hard to believe he was involved. DNA him or relative ?
Disappeared three days after the anonymous tip to police in Michelle Martinko’s case. I very much hope police are looking into this connection. It appears that the killer was Brian’s first cousin.
As far as I know, this is inaccurate. There wasn’t any tip and certainly not in 2013 when he went missing. Jerry, the convicted murderer in the Michelle Martinko, was discovered through DNA evidence and genealogy databases. The connection was some distant cousin living in the upper Northwest United States.
Actually there was an anonymous tip about Michelle Martinko’s case given to the police department on December 16, 2013. Info here: https://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/michelle-martinko/
Look for the header of “April 10, 2014: Cedar Rapids Police Media Release”.
Both are correct== there was a tip 12 16 13 but the Brandy Jennings DNA was the connection that solved it..Brian may well have been one to phone a tip in in 2013 however
I remember this. I was a kid at the time, and I remember going to school the day they found their bodies. I didn’t know what was going on until a classmate told me: “The missing girls have been found.” Rest in peace.
curious…why do they think Jules should be prosecuted ? Is it because (she was involved with (driving the sheriffs wife crazy) If so Don should also be prosecuted!
I’m curiously wondering if this guy was losing his faculties; so went his pledge to remain mum on Jerry’s vile scheme to keep this a secret. Every year they ran this story, and maybe this guy could simply no longer keep it quiet.
My hat’s off to the investigators who never gave up on finding Michelle’s killer. My prayers to her family and friends, who also never gave up and worked to keep Michelle’s memory and her case alive over the years.
Kim, I tip my hat as well to the investigators who never gave up on solving Michelle’s case. Det. Doug Larison spent endless hours (years) reviewing evidence, and when Investigator Matt Denlinger picked up the case, he stayed the course and remained as steadfast as Larison.
There were many others, of course, who shouldered this case over nearly four decades, but in the end, the investigators’ commitment and cooperation between law enforcement agencies combined with advances in DNA technology carried it home. It’s been a great day for Cedar Rapids police and for Iowans.
After reading up on the cold cases of Mason City, I couldn’t help but notice the psychic led investigators to the exact same location as the case of Andy Hatges. It was noted that the cases were somewhat similar; was the part about the landfill accidentally added into both cases or is that accurate?
I guess they failed to find any investigative leads that would point to an offender in this case. Their is no mention of anything being taken although the motive was burglary. So if there were any fingerprints found, they never came back to anyone.
So, it makes sense to run them again and see if they match anyone. I wonder if they ever reviewed the evidence and their investigation to see if any forensic evidence can be retested.
I agree that the girlfriend needs to explain things since she could not keep the story straight. Also does anyone know anything about the supposed sale by Mr. Terrell of a moving company to this Phillip Stender. This should be explored as it might provide a motive for his murder. I aso find the reference to Mr. Stender visiting the Carlisle, Iowa area, since a veteran who disappeared from the Knoxville VA Medical Center was found dead in that neck of the woods. He cause of death is Unconfirmed, but his sternum was fractured, most likely by blunt force trauma.
There is one who should be included here. Deborah Dawn Sadler was born July 9, 1964 and died December 1, 1965. Someone bashed her to death and the county medical examiner bought the ludicrous story that she “fell” from a chair. I contacted the cops who weren’t interested in doing anything since the autopsy hadn’t been preserved (here in Wisconsin where I live coroners records can never be disposed of, unlike in Iowa). I also contacted her younger sister (born of her mother’s second marriage) who apparently lacks interest in bringing the perp to justice.
In the 48 hours segment there was mention of Crank phone calls in the days leading up to her disappearance. I did not hear mention of any follow up in regard to the crank telephone calls.
I know the theory floating around is that John Vancise was calling her apartment when he was suspicious about her having a male friend there. Crank calls that were just nobody talking on the other end, just listening. There is no proof of this, at least not publicly. I don’t know who offered landline telephone service in Mason City in 1995 and if they would be able to produce call logs at that time.
Autumn, the questions I asked are some basic stuff. In investigations, authorities try to develop a idea of the victim. Earlier this year in Miami County, Ohio, they finally identified a young woman, who had been found murdered in April 1981.
She was originally known as the “Buck Skin Girl”, and now they knew who she was. Her mother never reported her missing, and was waiting for her to come home. So, with her name, they could fill in some blanks in her life. They knew she had been in Pittsburg, a month before she was murdered. She was from Arkansas.
So, the more information we have about Connie, it means more information that could lead to someone who might some minor little tidbit, that she was having a problem, with someone, a landlord, someone where she worked. Someone could have been supporting her, or whatever, and they got upset with her enough that he or she kidnapped her and murdered her.
Just curious, were you in the military with Connie’s husband? Do you believe there is a link to the “Buckskin Girl” and Connie Ruddy?
I wish there was more information out there to help Connie and her family get the justice and answers they deserve.
Hey mom, it was your birthday on the 8th… just wanted to say happy birthday and I miss you. Adriana will be turning 4, wish you were here to watch her grow up…we love and miss you mom, forever and always
The other night I caught an episode of Cold Case Files, about the murder of prostitutes. Anumber of them were found on both sides of the Mississippi River in the East St. Louis, Illinois, and in the St. Louis, Missouri. They were all black females. Most of these murders took place in 2001 into 2002.
The offender was identified as a Maury Troy Travis, who took his own life in the county jail. DNA may have linked him to at least 12 murders. The authorities think he may have more victims. At least 5 unidentified skeletal remains.
Nothing online points to Travis being in Iowa, but it appears hs known victims, were all strangled. He was active in the time frame when Ms. Nicholson was found strangled. It’s a long shot.
Mr. Travis video taped his torture and murder of s some of the victims.
Patrick, could you please post your email on here? I’ve observed from other postings of yours that you are a former Illinois cop. I am aware of a woman in Illinois who lost 5 kids from 2 different fathers to so-called “crib death” and she was the only one home when each of the kids died. 2 of the kids were far too old for that. She also got a lot of public attention (which she sought out). Classic munchausen by proxy, and I’m convinced that just like Waneta Hoyt, Marie Noe, and Mary Beth Tinning, she killed her kids. However, the Cook County Medical Examiner couldn’t be bothered even responding to me, even though I gave her everything on a silver platter. The entire Cook County Board of Commissioners ignored me when I contacted them with the story, to inform them that their medical examiner wasn’t doing her job. I did eventually get one email from a detective– I tried to call his cell number that he’d given me and it was full so I couldn’t leave a message there; I did call his office number and left a message but he never got back to me. This woman is now age 70, but she is well enough that she could be prosecuted.
ALSO MY BIO MOM, PATRICIA KELLEY, HAD NO SIBLINGS, SO AGAIN, I FEEL HER HUSBAND RICHARD SKILLINGS FROM MINN. IS THE KILLER, AND LIVES AMONGEST THE POPULATION IN EVANSDALE IOWA, BIG GAME HUNTERS TOO, LOVE GUNS
Wow. I really hope this case gets solved. My MIL is Melvin’s sister. She is still heartbroken. Michael, I hope you are thriving in OK. Anyone ever contact Dateline?
Michael how bout contacting waterloo courier to run an article in paper an a short newscast of it on tv? May spark sumthing an cost nothing bc itll boost interest and add numbers who watch kwwl kcrg etc
Mr. Elledge, thanks for the follow up on this case. It was nice of your father to make the effort to solve this case. Especially, since the victim, was his uncle, and he provided the answers for the family.
Although, no one went to prison, all the parties involved have gone to their graves. A higher power most likely has dealt with the parties involved. I would consider this case closed. No further police action necessary.
My father Bert Elledge Jr. nephew of Lyman Elledge, reopened the case when Bert was
Sheriff of Delaware County, Iowa in the 1980’s. Bert is now deceased. Dad told me before his death, that Lyman was estranged from his wife and they were living apart.
Lyman was seeing another woman, and another Colesburg man was also seeing her.
Some time before his murder, Lyman came home and found a fire burning in the staircase that went up to his bedroom, in the house he was renting. He thought someone
believed he was in bed, and tried to burn the house with him in it, or that the fire was set
to claim insurance fraud by arson.
Lyman’s body was found without shoes, and his glasses found a block away. The info
my father, Sheriff Elledge, related to me was that Lyman was at his girlfriend’s residence
when the woman’s other boyfriend burst in and caught them together. Lyman ran from the house not even putting his shoes on. As he ran the other man chases him and hit Lyman in the head (probably where his glasses were found) by what the coroner thought
may have been a 2X4 or similar club. Lyman suffered a skull fracture, but staggered to
the lawn of Mr. Wiskus, collapsing there. People saw him moving in the prone position
at dawn, but he succumbed and died. My father told me who killed him, and the man is long deceased. Lyman is dead. The killer is dead, and Sheriff Longseth, Sheriff Barr, and
Sheriff Bert Elledge Jr. Is also deceased.
That is the problem with some of these cases. Also, how many missing persons cases from around the country have no other details then the person’s name, age and when last seen. As a former police officer & detective with the Veterans Administration Police, it was drilled into us at our hospital to did up as much information as possible.
There is no age or date of birth information on Mr. Cramer, unless he had no further identification information on him. But, I would think that a major police department, would have done some further digging to see what they could find. A minimum would have been to send his fingerprints to the FBI, and see if they had any records of him. He could have been served in the military, or had a minor criminal record.
I’m wondering if maybe he wasn’t a homeless man, and they were weren’t able to find anything on him or if the police (at the time) didn’t care enough to dig any deeper.
To everyone saying why didn’t they collect DNA it was 1953 !!! Nobody knew what DNA was 65 years ago. I highly doubt any fluids were found inside or on the charred body that’s just like asking why didn’t they didn’t they use finger prints during the inquest of Julius Caesar the technology didn’t exist.
I went on Family Research Later Day Saint’s website to see if anything came up on him. Nothing about death date. Several F. Cramer of Iowa did come up with with variations of spelling on name. I was hoping that death date would come up. Do you have any other information on him, like age, homelessness, was he positive id, to help locating his life prior to his death. This man is a ghost in more ways than one.
I find it interesting that there is no mention of forced entry. So, if no forced entry, then it points to Mr. Rude possibly knowing his killer. This is somewhat supported by the fact that he was found shot to death in the basement, and not somewhere else in the house.
Also, we don’t know much about the victim. We don’t know what he did for a living, if he had problems with anyone. But, would he let them into his home willingly. Also, I assume authorities verified his wife’s story, that she was out of town.
Also, the use of a .22 or .25 caliber firearm, points to a female as a potential offender. I would expect a man, to use a higher caliber firearm, such as a .38 caliber, or higher.
However, two young women in Chicago, were shot to death in 1972, with a .32 caliber firearm. Their bodies were found sort of posed in a large park on the southeast side of Chicago. Their murder is still unsolved. However, there were a number of shootings involving .32 caliber firearms in the Chicago area, in that time frame.
One of the most interesting was a young man, in his 20’s, who was driving through Kansas, after visiting an aunt out west. He was speeding on the interstate, and after a 25 mile chase, the Kansas Highway Patrol, forced him off the roadway. When they approached his car, they found him dead of a self inflicted wound from .32 caliber firearm. He had a shoulder holster. He lived in a suburb of Chicago. There was no mention of him being depressed in the newspaper story.
It would be interesting to know if the spent cartridge and live cartridge were entered into the ballistics computer system. It might be a long shot to see if the weapon had been used in any ther crimes.
Also, he had an established pattern of stopping by the bar after work. It appears he was known to carry large sums of money. So, he became a target for a bad guy. But, the person would have become some sort of regular at the bar, for the victim to leave with him.
This was my father. It was my understanding he only knew the murders for about three weeks. He played pool with them. These killers had murdered others in Des Moines as well. People who came from good famlies and were well respected in the community. One of the killers James Burroughs has died of cancer. The police told us initially they could not get enough evidence to prosecute.
If this is the same John that I went to High School with at North Polk in Alleman Ia. His father worked there. Mr Shuey had two teenage sons, that were just as nice as he was. I think of John often! His life was taken way to soon!
Hmm something did not sound right with the Dylan post so with a little tap tap on the keyboard I found a Dylan Oldenburger on LinkedIn, says he is a grown man, a detective in Ottumwa. Something strange is going on here and it’s not a little boy innocently posting his address in the comment section of this website.
Hi and my name is Dylan oldenburger and I am 21 right now and I wants to find out who’s killed john robert hill and other men who’s were murdered by the same killers in ottumwa iowa right now and my email is oldenbudylan@gmail.com or texts me at my phone number is 571-931-5831 texts me only pleases pleases pleases pleases
I agree, i also looked around in google maps and there is no house there! Also there is a sign that says the address so that would explain how this “Dylan” got it. I DONT THINK THATS A KID TALKING OR THE REAL DYLAN OLDENBURGER.
I actually also found this “Dylan OLDENBURGER” facebook, it’s all just a bunch of strange stuff, the website itself made me uncomfortable. Which leads me to believe that something isn’t right with this person.
This happened 21 years before my time. I’m thank the Lord for two loving parents. Neither were perfect and they didn’t have much. As sad as this story is its humbling because it could have been any of us reading this. I’m sure it must have been scary to have have or raise a child back then. There’s no amount of fear, or financial circumstances to justify slaughter of an infant. It’s much scarier now because of lack of discipline and carelessness. I’m curious, did anyone else notice a year before this baby was murdered there was another male infant found by construction worker near U.S. hwy 30? Same manner of death minus being burned beyond recognition? 12 years later there were two girls age 3 and 13 months and two more a year later? I’m so no detective but I’m thinking (possible connection?)
8 months after ben went missing andy cole killed marburger from sabula. Keep in mind these were both on the 400 block of 10th Avenue south. This just seems odd to me
Holli Ann, I talked to Sherry earlier today. A lot of stuff to wade through, and complicated family situation. Also, her brother disappeared two days after he was admitted to the Knoxville VA Medical Center in June 1991, and found dead in Polk County. However, his cause of death is Undetermined. However, his sternum was fractured, which may have been caused by blunt force.
The autopsy, mentions him being unaccounted for about two weeks. Also, who did her brother get to this area, since he had no car. Also, he was wearing boots when he was found, but Sherry said he was wearing tennis shoes when admitted. Also, her brother was not from the area. However, his mother had sent him a bus ticket to travel to California. There was a emergency hold on him, to keep him in the hospital.
I know more details on his situation. But, I would like to protect his family. It seems odd that two non-related patients disappear from the same hospital, and found dead in the same county, which is not close to Knoxville. Also, one death is a homicide and the other is Undetermined, and case report and investigative records are locked up.
Also, Donald Murphy, was born in Knoxville area, and not from Polk County. So, was he fleeing something at the hospital or in the area. Supposedly, his late mother may have worked at the VA. I would like to talk with one of his siblings, to see what they know or suspect.
Jack, do we need a road trip, to visit the area. I find it interesting that a police department in Western Illinois, that is using billboards to highlight a missing person case for a young girl. It appears they are trying to shame the person or persons involved to come forward. Maybe we can do something similar in Keokuk, and stir things up.
Patrick. And Jack. I worked with a man who is recently deceased that was from Memphis Missouri and had known Artie up until his death. He swears up and down it had to do with an illegal high stake card game in an upstairs of a Keokuk bar. I can not verify all info related to me other then this Bar is well know for it’s illegal gambling. I am not sure how familiar you two are with keokuk, but it It has distant mafia ties, and a long history of corruption in the local police dept. This man who passed swore that Artie was murdered of a card game(that he had one). It was said to be committed by an ex keokuk police office that was involved with another shooting out in that area. Since the office has passed but the card game loser is still alive, and would scare the hell out of my employee every time he walked through the door. And at that time the bar was in the process of being renovated.
Matt, thanks for the information. I am not from that neck of the woods. I live in the most corrupt state across the Mississippi. However, I am quite familiar with the Mafia, being that I live in the Chicagoland area.
So I am quite familiar with the murders committed by the Chicago Mob, over the years. In fact the head of the Cook County Sheriff’s Police Vice unit, was mobbed up, and conducted many raids. However, they knew ahead of time he and the boys were coming.
Thanks for taking the time to post here. First of all, I want to let you know I appreciate the fact that you took the time to share this information. Second, I want you to know I believe you when you say your friend shared that story with you.
I’m really thankful for Jody and all the time she puts into this website. Without her efforts, most of these Iowa cold cases would go unnoticed. We’d have no way to connect with people like you who might have important information about a case.
Now, I can’t speak for Patrick, but as for me personally: I’m not a police officer. While I’m sincerely thankful for the information you shared here, the best way to help bring justice to this case is to follow Jody’s instructions in the article: please contact the Lee County Sheriff’s Office at (319) 372-1152. At worst, the information you’ve shared will not produce any new leads. You never know though: this information could break the case wide open and help the police solve a decades-old cold case. As you can see here, not much has happened with this case in the last thirty years. You’ll be hurting nothing by submitting a tip, and who knows, you might help solve this thing.
Like Patrick, I’m not local to the Keokuk area. Therefore, while a lot of the information you shared might make sense to someone from that area, I have no personal experience to compare it against. With that said, I did my best to research the information you shared with the resources I have available.
You said that the murder had to do with a card game that occurred at a Keokuk bar known for its illegal gambling services. I took that information and attempted to compile a list of bars in Keokuk that might have been associated with illegal gambling in 1983. At that point, the population would have been around 13,000 people. I would have expected very few problems with gambling, but I was wrong. I found reports of two major law enforcement raids on illegal gambling operations in that time period, occurring in 1973 and 1981, respectively. The 1973 raid turned up such operations at eight bars and one private business in Keokuk. These included the Tipenbud Grill, the P.J. Tap, Joe’s 400 Club, the local chapter of the Eagles Club, Harrington’s Lounge and Restaurant, the Draft House, the Shack, the Six Pack, and Bottger Novelty Company. The 1981 raid resulted in arrests and seizures at three bars: the 400 Club, Harrington’s Lounge and Restaurant, and the Tee Pee Lounge. With so many bars in the town involved with illegal gambling, including two which were the targets of multiple raids, it is difficult for non-locals such as myself to narrow down which one your friend might have been referring to. However, I chose to focus on the establishments targeted in the 1981 raid because they were closer in time to the victim’s death, and because two of the three were repeat-offenders in the illegal gambling business.
Unfortunately, I was unable to determine the location of Joe Hickey’s 400 Club despite it having existed in Keokuk for many years. However, I was able to locate both Harrington’s and the Tee Pee because both still exist.
I wanted to locate their addresses because you said your friend told you specifically that the illegal card game took place at the “upstairs” of the bar in question. Therefore, only bars which had at least two floors could have possibly been the location where the game took place. Unfortunately, both of the two bars I was able to able to locate from the 1981 raid were located in building which have more than one floor, so I wasn’t able to rule out either of them. On the bright side, all of this reflects well on the veracity of your friend’s story. There were many bars in Keokuk involved with illegal gambling at that time, and at least two of them had an upstairs level where gambling activities could have taken place.
I did my best to follow up on the information you provided regarding one of the principals being a former Keokuk police offer who was involved in a separate shooting incident. Although I found about a half-dozen reports of shootings in Keokuk around that time, I wasn’t able to connect any of the perpetrators with former police service. Just because I couldn’t locate the information though, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
With all of that in mind I would like to offer two thoughts I have on the story your friend provided. First, it is important to remember that while a gambling incident may have served as the impetus for the crime, the murder probably didn’t occur at the bar. Recall that contemporary reports said that the body was clad only in shorts, and that the hands and feet were bound. At risk of sounding morbid, I would propose that it only makes sense to bind the hands and feet of a living person who could offer resistance (i.e., fight back). Further, unless the perpetrators had some bizarre motivation to undress the victim, it would seem he was kidnapped from his own home, where he might have been dressed as described (e.g., while sleeping). Thus, an illegal gambling incident certainly provides a potential motive, but don’t dispense with the possibility that the crime itself occurred elsewhere.
Secondly, I would like to note that Mr. Ransford had apparently been unemployed for quite some time prior to his death. One would expect that this would have had an effect on his spending habits. Now, I acknowledge the existence of gambling addictions and also the fact that people with lower incomes are in fact the primary consumers of gambling entertainment.. however, it is worth noting that the victim’s life situation probably precluded participation in “high stakes” gambling. Recall that this was a long-term unemployed individual living in Keokuk, Iowa, not a trust-fund socialite from the Hamptons.
Gambling is the perfect opportunity for conflict between individuals, and so I bring up the above points simply to propound the notion that the dispute you mentioned may have been related to a regular, everyday gambling event, rather than one involving high stakes.
Patrick, to answer your questions: Scotland County, Missouri is about an hour west of Keokuk, Iowa. If you really, truly want to take a drive with me to Keokuk to shake the bushes, I’d be happy to oblige although I wouldn’t wish an hour in the car with me on my worst enemy. I think Matt has provided a great lead, and I hope he shares it with the Keokuk police. Either way, a trip to Keokuk would be a great opportunity to catch sacrament over at Nauvoo on a Sunday. You just let me know if that’s what you really want to do.
Jack, I like the research you did in regards to the information provided by Matt. I agree with your theory that Arthur being unemployed would not be involved in high stakes gambling. So, maybe he crossed path’s with these individuals and they must have felt he was a threat to them.
A road trip will have to wait for better weather, then currently being visited upon us living in the Midwest. I am hoping it will be better in March.
I still wonder about the second wife. She divorces him a few days after reporting him missing. To me that would attract a lot of attention to me. I don’t know if he had any kind of assets that she could have been eligible to receive if he was deceased.
Also, it would be interesting to know if wife number #2, was involved with this former law enforcement officer. It might explain the delay in reporting him missing and the need to divorce him.
Also, who else was shot by this former police officer. There is a former Chicago Police Officer who became a sort of hit man for the Chicago Mob. The fed went after him big time.
I agree that money should be fund a Cold Case Unit. In Tulsa County, they created a charitable foundation, to support their operations. A criminal justice professor does not believe in cold case units. I think they are worth the money, to clear a case that was not solved many years ago.
We need to relook at all these cases, with fresh eyes. Also, we have new forensic tools that are available then look for DNA and other evidence. However, the roommates, need to step up and take the polygraph test. They lived there and found the body, they should know something.
I must also add how the DMPD pushed Nicholas White’s family in the direction of the roommates being under a huge umbrella of being a suspect. They were feeding lies in place of positive results. It’s a game it appears. I reevaluate my life very often and blame myself for many events and try to make corrections. I’m not anywhere near to perfect.
thank you.
I do believe that we should let all of these young men rest in peace from now on. If the police cannot build a case, they are considered innocent. I don’t believe Nicholas would want them to suffer with him. Although he is in Heaven now and better off than any of us on this planet I feel. I do have some strong feelings about the DMPD and also how other police agencies handle homicide cases. As they say on TV crime shows, if not solved in the first 72 hours, it will probably not be solved. The thing hiding behind that is the police will drop it after 72 hours and at the very most somewhat pursue it to 168 hours.(7 days) Then they drop it. They do incomplete investigations in my opinion. I questioned a lead detective about completely searching a dumpster next to the house for a discarded weapon, He did not search it completely,felt it sufficient, said that they could take it down to the DMPD and dump it in the parking lot to inspect and did not, but proclaimed no amount of money and time would inhibit how deeply they investigated. Part of that was true. Disclosures in the DM register reported the two detectives collected 25,000 to 35,000 in overtime the prior year on top of their already healthy salary. They have no Cold Case investigators on staff, but that includes most police departments. Some do, and when they do, they produce results. Seems if they have no results on current homicide investigations, and they are collecting large amounts of funds in overtime, that they should do away with it and use those funds to hire a couple cold case detectives. Otherwise, it is an endless cycle, Just look at Iowa cold cases, or perhaps any states cold case backlog. People can easily get away with murder it appears unless it is domestic related.
Totally my observations and opinion.
Jack, Arthur Leon Ransford, was born in Scotland County, Missouri, where his Social Security Number 497-52-4675, was issued in 1964. I don’t know where that is in relation to Keokuk, Iowa. He served in the U.S. Army from May 10, 1966 to May 9, 1968. This is according to Social Security Death Index and Application & Claims and his VA BIRLS Death File.
Starfire, please let me know the exact details of your brother’s story. Sherry, also I would like the know the same details involving your brother. Also, if both of theses guys were missing from the VA Medical Center, did the police at the VA ever write up a report. I seriously doubt if they would have a copy in their file systems.
This includes information on branch of service, if they were admitted for medical or other reasons. The more information the better. The fact that several patients who disappeared from a VAMC, in the same year and were murdered, makes me
I used to work at two VA Medical Center here in the Chicago area, as a police officer and detective. So I was involved in a number of missing person’s investigations. Also I would hope that the local police were notified by the VA.
It would appear that their might be a connection to these cases, at least from the connection to the VA Medical Center. Also, I can be reached at 708-466-4624, my phone takes messages, even text.
My brother came up missing from Knoxville VA hospital June 14 1991 and his body was found in augs 1991 his murder was never solved it to was found in poke county he was 30 years old
He was walking home from a family outing. I guess it was to hard for someone in the family to drive him home. Especially, if he was drinking. But, then I am a former sub sailor, and we always made sure we got our shipmates back to the boat, especially if they were drinking.
Jack, I was thinking about the stuff including the plastic, bricks and cement blocks. It would give the impression that they came from a construction site. However, you would not expect in one sense to see a rug there, especially if a new house was being built. A new rug would get damaged sitting outside. I don’t think that their were bricks and cement blocks in the area, where his body was found.
The binding of the hands, feet and waist, makes me wonder. It sort would take time, after shooting him, to bind him, wrap him in a rug and then the plastic sheeting. It sorts of points to his murder as something planned. Also, the second wife, decides to seek a divorce three days after disappearance. That makes me suspicious big time. She was only married to him for a month. Did she fall out of love that fast. She supposedly married him for a reason.
I wonder if he was getting any disability from his service in Vietnam. Also, if what he did he do when he was working. Since, there are not a lot of jobs, in the civilian world, that requires a background as a combat infantryman.
I did not contact the cemetery. I was resting up from dealing with nice slush/snow we got Sunday into Monday morning. I do the snow removal for a number of neighbors. I was out chopping up ice in a neighbors driveway. This was complements of the snow plows, where I live in Oak Lawn, Illinois.
I was looking at the area on Google Earth at the library earlier. I saw the spillway or whatever it is just above what should be U.S. Highway 136. I was wondering why the offender or offenders did not dump his body in the Mississippi, and let it drift way with the current. The water would have eliminated some forensic evidence.
This was my uncle’s (Michael’s)father and we were told that he was wrapped in a rug that was the same rug missing from his second wife’s (whom he was still married to and lived with) home. The rug was missing when she was questioned by police.
Have detectives used google maps with recently used photos? I was navigating through the street view option and seen a few white trucks that fit the description. The driver had to of lived close by. Maybe he was on his way home when this happened.
I heard that the guy ditched his truck in a sioux city river and the guy was recently (within the last year) living in spencer and has children of his own now
NAMUS Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP12594 Female, White / Caucasian
Date Found
February 15, 1982
Location Found
Columbia, South Carolina
Case Information
Case Numbers
NCMEC Number
—
ME/C Case Number
82-0073
Demographics
Sex
Female
Race / Ethnicity
White / Caucasian
Possible First Name
—
Possible Middle Name
—
Possible Last Name
—
Possible Nickname
—
Estimated Age Group
Adult
Estimated Age Range (Years)
35-50
Estimated Year of Death
1982
Estimated PMI
—
Height
5′ 0″(60 inches) , Measured
Weight
134 lbs, Measured
Circumstances
Type
Unidentified Deceased
Date Found
February 15, 1982
NamUs Case Created
June 18, 2014
ME/C QA Reviewed
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Location Found Map
Street Address
2414 Bull Street
Columbia, South Carolina 29201
County
Richland County
GPS Coordinates
—
Circumstances of Recovery
Jane Doe was a patient at SC State Hospital who was unable to provide her real name due to schizoprenia. She died as the result of an accidental fall on 02/15/1982 in the hospital. She was buried as ‘Jane Doe’ by the Richland County Coroner’s Office, following exhaustive efforts to determine her identity. Her skeletal remains were exhumed by a forensic anthropologist in 1996 from the county cemetery, as part of an effort to revisit efforts to determine her identity.
Details of Recovery
Inventory of Remains
All parts recovered
Condition of Remains
Recognizable face
Physical Description
Hair Color
Brown
Head Hair Description
—
Body Hair Description
—
Facial Hair Description
—
Left Eye Color
Blue
Right Eye Color
Blue
Has anyone ruled out Richland County S.C. Jane Doe who passed away in a State Hospital?
NAMUS Has the unidentified decedent in Richland Co. South Carolina been excluded in this case?
NAMUS ME/C Case Number
82-0073
Demographics
Sex
Female
Race / Ethnicity
White / Caucasian
Possible First Name
—
Possible Middle Name
—
Possible Last Name
—
Possible Nickname
—
Estimated Age Group
Adult
Estimated Age Range (Years)
35-50
Estimated Year of Death
1982
Estimated PMI
—
Height
5′ 0″(60 inches) , Measured
Weight
134 lbs, Measured
Circumstances
Type
Unidentified Deceased
Date Found
February 15, 1982
NamUs Case Created
June 18, 2014
ME/C QA Reviewed
—
Location Found Map
Street Address
2414 Bull Street
Columbia, South Carolina 29201
County
Richland County
GPS Coordinates
—
Circumstances of Recovery
Jane Doe was a patient at SC State Hospital who was unable to provide her real name due to schizoprenia. She died as the result of an accidental fall on 02/15/1982 in the hospital. She was buried as ‘Jane Doe’ by the Richland County Coroner’s Office, following exhaustive efforts to determine her identity. Her skeletal remains were exhumed by a forensic anthropologist in 1996 from the county cemetery, as part of an effort to revisit efforts to determine her identity.
Details of Recovery
Inventory of Remains
All parts recovered
Condition of Remains
Recognizable face
Physical Description
Hair Color
Brown
Head Hair Description
—
Body Hair Description
—
Facial Hair Description
—
Left Eye Color
Blue
Right Eye Color
Blue
Eye Description
—
Mike
i knew him under an alias for about the last 8 years and i hope that he can patch his life back togeather and move past all of this and reconnect with his family,he was a good man and while i cant speak for what crimes he was convicted of ……the man i knew for 8 years was an all around good fellow…………. i just cant place him doing anything like what they said he did(((((((im not saying he is innocent or didnt commit a crime)))))) the man was very docile and ive never even herd him say a cuss word or even get mad about anything. il just say some prayers for him because i know there is good in him.
I find the comments from Professor Walker very disturbing. A number of cold cases have been solved, through the use of various tools. Quite often a review with fresher eyes, have come investigative leads that were missed or never followed up on. We have new forensic tools, and also thousands of civilians who research and discuss cold cases on-line. Also, one of the people connected with NAMUS, was the person, who was able identify a Jane Doe, found by his father-in-law. Also, we had a woman, who spent years trying to identify the Golden State Killer, with the assistance of others.
Now, we are using Genealogy DNA, to identify a few Jane and John Does. This same tool has led to the arrests of a number of offenders including the Golden State Killer. So, I think they are not a waste of time. These families deserve some sort of closure.
Jack, thanks for the details. The fact that his body was wrapped in a rug is interesting. I wonder if the rug is old or new. It could in a sense point to him being killed in a location such as a home being built or remodeled. I would lean to a place being remodeled.
It makes me wonder if the evidence has been retested because of the new forensic testing available. You figure that the bindings and plastic might provide something useful.
I looked at the picture of the headstone, and noticed the death date damage. Since, it is a VA cemetery they are the ones who made the headstone, and are responsible for the upkeep. They also provide a headstone for veterans buried in civilian cemetery. However, they normally provide a flatstone.
I may give them a call and they can check it out. Maybe they can replace it.
Did he live on Rural Route M, or in the city of Keokuk.
I wonder what caused the landlord to go to check on her. However, I would assume that had not reported for work. I see there was no mention of forced entry. So, either she let her assailant in or someone had a key.
The ex-boyfriend would be an obvious person of interest, because of his background and his arrests for domestic violence. However, I wonder if someone who had developed an interest in her that she may have rejected. It mentions that the electrical cord was still wrapped around her neck. I wonder where the cord came from, and weather any forensic evidence could have been found.
It appears that the Rev. Kevin’s wife and daughter haven’t exactly walked in the path of the straight and narrow that the Rev, Kevin preached and practiced….
Medicaid Theft and Fraudulent Practices, Contempt of Court
Does anyone know about the double homicide of Kathleen Hopkins and her son Alex Hopkins? It happened in North Omaha… on December 1, 1995… this is my husband’s mother and he still has no closure or know if anyone’s been charged with the murder of his mother and brother. Please! Anything helps… I’m on Facebook…Milov Stuart. Any information will help us!
Jody, thanks for the information. I like that his name was flagged. It was someone that we starting doing at the VA, wen we went computerized. it also helped eliminate the problem of certain patients tweaking their prescriptions to get stronger pain medications.
Jack, thanks for the information. He fills in a few blanks. But, a lot of unanswered questions. His wife reports him missing, and then files paperwork seeking a divorce, after being married for a month. That’s real nice. Makes me wonder why she married him.
As a veteran and former employee of the VA, I would expect that he had issues from his time in Vietnam. This could explain his not having close relationships. However, I wonder if he ever went to the VA for any kind of help or medical treatment.
Also. I wonder if anyone followed up on the yellow in color 39 gallon trash bags that Theresa mentioned in 2012. I don’t think the manufacturer would have sales records going back that far.
I get frustrated that they don’t mention what caliber of firearm that was used to murder him. Also. I would assume that he was shot someone else and his body buried there. So, I wonder if where his body was found is a well traveled area, or off the beaten track.
I don’t think that the bags Theresa mentioned are relevant. Jody’s write-up says that the body was in a yellow bag, but it doesn’t say that it was a “trash bag”. I think the information from the Des Moines Register illustrates why it probably wasn’t a 39 gallon trash bag:
“Mushroom hunters had found a billfold in the area before discovering the body, which was clad only in shorts, wrapped first in a rug and then in a sheet of plastic and then covered with bricks and concrete blocks. The hands and feet were tied, and there was binding around the waist […]”
I seriously doubt a body concealed inside a rug would fit into a 39 gallon trash bag. It sounds like the plastic used was almost more of a home improvement or construction type product.
Also, the use of the rug, I think, answers your question about where the murder occurred — probably elsewhere if they used a rug to conceal the body before burying it.
Jody’s post says the body was found about two miles south of Montrose in a wooded area — there seems to be pretty much only one area that fits this description: Galland School State Park Reserve, and the associated sections of land. It contains a stretch of trees adjacent to the road which follows the Mississippi river from Keokuk to Montrose (Mississippi River Road, AKA County Road X28), laying approximately across the river from Nauvoo, Illinois. If you drove out of Keokuk going north on that road you would eventually be driving alongside the treeline (opposite the river). The trees are on/on top of a hill, and the road is at the bottom of it next to the river. In certain areas, the road is slightly further from the river and there are smaller treelines which separate the two. I would say the park section of these trees is off the beaten path in the sense that a road does not run through it, but on the other hand, Mississippi River Rd does run next to it for its entire length on the east side. The area is also somewhat populated (in a rural Iowa sense), probably due to its proximity to the river. It was apparently visited by mushroom hunters, so was not too inaccessible, it seems. There are public places to park, e.g., a “rest area”, though I’m not sure if that was there in 1983. Here is a link to that if you want to see it: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.499471,-91.3753428,3a,75y,112.03h,83.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWSX8p9oMWv_9lIegigZKWw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?shorturl=1
I found something I think is very interesting. I found a picture of the victim’s grave marker on the internet. It is a military headstone in Keokuk National Cemetery. Here is what I think is irregular: the stone has been damaged and altered. Whether those two things are related I don’t know. It has gouges and breaks on the face and edges, but most interestingly, it almost looks like someone has crudely filled in the death death inscription with DIY cement. You can still see “NOV 22” under the cement, if you look closely. I wonder what precipitated this. Probably not important, but caught my eye. You can see for yourself at https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/80266525/arthur-leon-ransford
My husband grew up in Montrose and he thinks the body was found on the border of Bluff Park subdivision and Camp Lookout near the bottom of the hill. He also told me at the time of the murder, the rumors were that it was a mob hit from Chicago or St Louis and it had something to do with drugs. Now that he is older, he doubts that story is true because it is doubtful anyone from out of the area would have found the area where the body was left.
Based on the information you shared, the location your husband remembers is within the boundaries of the area I mentioned above. Such a specific location on the border of two plats would be an odd thing to remember if he hadn’t actually heard it somewhere, so, I’ve got no arguments against it.
Back when this happened, the area your husband is talking about was definitely wooded as it is today, but nowhere near as thick in growth. In fact, that particular property boundary was accessible by car, it appears, not only from the south via a path from the subdivision, but also from the north on a driveway off the river road.
The is a link to an aerial photograph of that location take on March 15, 1985, less than one year after the victim’s body was found:
The information you provided is useful because it helps explain how the body may have been transported, and not only that, why it was in an area accessible to mushroom hunters — it literally had a path running through it which connected to a road at either end.
I’m not so sure on the whole mob hit thing. I think that we’d have a lot more information about the victim’s personal life if he was somehow involved with activities merited the mob getting involved (i.e., a history of crime). I’m not saying it’s impossible, but I’ve not seen anything to corroborate the idea yet.
As for the location information, thank you for that. It certainly provides something to consider.
You said your husband was from the area. Any chance he’d recall the location of a bar called the 400 Club in Keokuk back in those days?
I found a photo of where the body was found in the May 14, 1984 Fort Madison Daily Democrat. It was found in the foundation of a collapsed building near the Bluff Park subdivision.
Michelle, thanks for the information. However, the information mentions a subdivision. It sort of gives the impression that there were houses in the area. Yet, it appears that his remains were found in what I assume is a state park or preserve.
The foundation of a collapsed building might go along with the debris that he was hidden under. However, it does not explain the rug and the yellow plastic sheeting.
Also, a historian from the Keokuk area, supposedly collected information on all the unsolved murders in that area, according to a 2018 newspaper article. Supposedly, the material is at the library in Fort Madison.
I agree with Jack, about the Mob connection to his murder. But, then if he was unemployed then he might have been attracted to being involved with something illegal to make a few bucks. It could be that he heard or saw something that put him jeopardy.
It’s nice to have another person, providing more information about the area, and possible reasons for his murder.
If you have access to newspaperarchives.com you can read the series of articles published in the Democrat. Here are the quotes from the articles:
May 14, 1984 “Arnold said the location where the body was found apparently was not where the person died. It appears it is where the body was dumped…The body was found under a pile of concrete blocks and other debris, apparently from a building that had stood in the area. The site is a wooded area about a mile south of Montrose near the Bluff Park subdivision…Dr. Torres said that the only part of the body protruding from under the concrete was part of the head. The rest of the body was covered by bricks, he said. He said that they site could be classified as a ‘shallow grave’.”
May 15, 1984 “The body was found under a pile of concrete blocks and other debris, apparently from a building that once stood in the area. The site is off of Middle Road at the end of a lane and overlooks the Mississippi River from the bluff.”
May 17, 1984 “The body of a white man in his mid-30s was found in the foundation of a building that once stood in a secluded area about one mile south of Montrose on top of a Mississippi River bluff.”
The May 15th article also had some other interesting details:
“Dr. Torres said the body was clad only in underwear and socks and was wrapped first in a rug and then in a sheet of plastic. The body was carefully wrapped and placed. The hands and feet were tied and there was binding around the waist. Dr. Torres said. He said the bullet entered the skull between the ear and the top of the head on the right side. It was lodged in th right side of the neck, he said. He died from multiple fractures of the skull. Dr. Torres said.”
It is unlikely that the body would have been dumped in the Galland School Preserve. My husband said the area was fenced at the time (he said he believes that it is still fenced, but I never personally noticed the fence and we no longer live in the area so I can’t check.) making it difficult to access. Mushroom hunters also would not have been in a state preserve.
This is all great information. In regard to the Galland School State Park Preserve, you’re correct on all points. Apparently, Google Maps has some inaccurate information in its listing. It shows that the wooded area we’ve been discussing is the “preserve”. I looked into it and apparently the state park just the tiny plot of rest stop land, and the “preserve” is in reference to preserving the replica schoolhouse, not an area of land (e.g., the wooded area of land Google calls the park). So, thank you for correcting that misnomer — the area of land we’ve been discussing has nothing to do with Galland School State Park Preserve, which is some distance away from the place mentioned in the newspaper article you quoted.
I appreciate the information regarding the location of the 400 Club. In retrospect, it totally makes sense. As an outsider, I didn’t realize that the name was a pun regarding the physical address as opposed to a reference to other groups/entities/etc. which had the same name. It appears that building also has two floors, meaning that, unfortunately, the previous poster’s information about rumors surrounding this case cannot be used to identify the alleged location of the death, nor rule out some of the alternatives. This is because, apparently, in those days not just one, but rather several bars in Keokuk had a reputation for hosting illegal gambling activities, and all of them had two floors. Thus there are at minimum three locations which meet the provided description perfectly.
Thank you for posting the information from those articles. I’m glad to see that they confirmed my hypothesis from an earlier post that the death did not occur where the body was found. That makes sense, because it explains why a rug would have been involved – concealing the transportation of the body to and from a vehicle.
More interesting is that the articles you posted seem to cast a new light on the nature of the burial. Previously, this sounded like a professional job of sorts: a body wrapped in a rug, covered in plastic, buried with a layer of bricks. In reality, it sounds a lot more like the perpetrator(s) were unprepared for the events that unfolded and made a shoddy attempt to hide the body using stuff that happened to be laying around the dump site. In fact, it’d seem they really didn’t even do that great a job, because part of the body was visible above-ground according to the article. To me, all of this suggests that this killing wasn’t probably planned well in-advance. It possibly means that it wasn’t planned at all. Whereas at first it looked like a calculated event, I’m really starting to doubt that. It sounds more like something which occurred in the heat of the moment. Maybe there’s some truth to the gambling story after all?
Something else sticks out too. The area you described, off Middle Rd., is nowhere near as easily accessed or well-traveled as the one we talked about in our previous posts (which would have been accessible right off the main highway). Instead, it would seem much, much more likely that the perpetrator(s) were familiar with the area and knew of this particular spot. I would not be surprised to learn that whoever killed the victim had some sort of ties to it. In fact, it looks like maybe there was a trailer park at that location in the 1970s and 1980s – it is possible that the individual responsible either lived there themselves or knew people who did.
I’m not sure if we’re getting somewhere with all of this or not. But I feel like I’m getting a better idea of some of the circumstances. The population of Montrose was under 1,000 residents at the time of the victim’s death. Even though people his age would be in their 70s now, I’m willing to bet there are plenty of people who remember this case. If we’ve learned this much through just what you’ve shared, I wonder what we could learn with a little social media exposure. Just a thought.
Yeah that’s weird. It looks like his date of death was Nov. 26th was altered. At least that’s what it looks like on the stone. I have never seen that before. Why wouldn’t the Cemetary make a new stone?. That’s a military cemetery stone.
Melanie , I worked for the VA, but not at one if their cemeteries. They are in a sense, a separate part of the agency. So, if a stone is damaged then may have a policy on replacing it, but not sure.
If he had a family, and they saw it was damaged, then hopefully they could request it be replaced. But, it has to be the exact same type of stone.
A visit to a VA cemetery shows all the stones are the same, normally in a uniform row.
All local veterans organization such as the VFW and the American Legion, usually have enough clout to get the VA’s attention, in regards to the stone being replaced.
Patrick, he suffered an injury while working and needed to go to the hospital, where he gave hospital personnel his real name. A system was in place where it flagged his name and they recognized a warrant was out for Rolfe’s arrest and contacted local officials.
Theresa, that’s a great lead you developed there. One question is where is this company located. It would be a long shot if they still had records of sales from back then.
Also, I would hope that the local police would have looked at that. Since, a would seem odd to place his body in a yellow bag, and then try to hide it a wooded area under some cinder blocks.
I would think someone local would have remembered seeing yellow bags being used by someone. I was over at a neighbor’s house earlier this evening. One of the family members was flipping through the channels on the television and she stopped on a football game, most likely a college game. One of the teams was wearing yellow uniforms. It stuck out like a sore thumb, as they say.
Also, there is no information on the caliber of the firearm used. Also, not much on his background, besides having served in Vietnam, being married and having two kids. We don’t know what he was doing on Thanksgiving Day, when he disappeared. We don’t know what he did for a living.
According to the Des Moines Register on May 19, 1984, and the Quad-City Times on May 20, 1984, it isn’t clear what he was doing on Thanksgiving Day. His mother said he failed to contact her that day. He was married, but note that the kids were not from his marriage at the time of his death. He had been married for five years to his first wife before they were divorced. He got married to his second wife the month before he disappeared. Three days after he disappeared, his second wife filed for divorce (prior to his body being discovered, of course). He had been unemployed for an extended period of time prior to his disappearance.
His mother described him as someone who didn’t have a lot of close relationships and wasn’t particularly social. She wasn’t aware he had been reported missing until after she had been told his body had been found. Her other sons (Ransford’s brothers) had known, but chose not to tell their mother about it so as not to “worry” her.
I had three roommates and several friends from Clinton when I was at UNI who graduated one year earlier than Pam from Clinton HS. I distinctly remember one conversation when a few of them spoke of what a nice girl she was and was saddened about this tragic event.
Thoughts and Prayers to the family. Justice will be served, in this lifetime or the next.
I just found out through DNA that Jerry Lee Huff is my birth father. I was adopted at 5, the man I lived with until then was a horrible person. I am so sad about your Mom….and I hope justice is served.
It’s sad that he served his country and someone thought it was a good idea yo rob and then kill him. It would be interesting to know if the evidence is still around. Also, if the shell casings could be connected to another crime.
Recently, a guy in jail in another state for a crime, was tied by DNA to a similar murder in adjoining state, which took place in 1984.
There are several unsolved murders of F/B prostitutes in Iowa in the early 1980’s. All of them in their early 20’s. I don’t know if they are connected, but something to look at for a pattern or how they died.
CJ, thanks for the update. I wonder if the Lyons County Sheriff, ever posted the picture of their suspect to other agencies around the country. I am sure some agency dealt with her based on her background.
Please check into why they wanted me to sign some paper. It was all a very weird thing for me and I was really surprised that there was no tape no nothing and they let everyone in the house leave, no tape. I think they decided what was what and it was wrong.
I will never give up for justice for Charles William Netherland my son. But, I also need my family right now too. I’m getting ill, I’m not sure if this is the right place to say anything. But, I started getting I’ll after my boys, James Lee Netherland jr. in the car accident, than Charles William Netherland murdered August 18,2012, same year. Than James Lee Netherland jr with the Brain injury he fought for 4 years Than he passed away. I was their for him and fighting JUSTICE for Charles where only 2 people wanted to help when I had and have every thing. Not Even hear say. I’m not sure if this makes sense to any of you. I’m just saying that I need my family to help. I dont really want to put the health issues out there.
I am Charles Aunt I woke up to pounding on my door letting me know I needed to get to the hospital because something happened to him. Then when I was getting ready to leave I received a call from my ex son in law asking me to stop by his house. I did and there was no police tape and Hank came up to me and said I am sorry I had no idea what he was talking about then I was asked to go to a police truck that my ex son in law and a police officer was in and they wanted me to sign a paper that I knew nothing about I did not because I wanted to get to the hospital and also had no clue why they wanted me to sign some paper and my ex son in law said he needed to contact a lawyer. I do know my grand babies where in this house and do not understand why things were done the way they were. I do hope my sister and the rest of our family will get the truth.
It mentions Dean’s return to the Knoxville area around the VA Medical Center. Was he ever in the military. He would have been old enough to have served in the military, and been sent to Vietnam.
I was concerned enough about the draft to having a real low number. So I volunteered to join the U.S. Navy, and indirectly volunteered to serve on a submarine. Not bad duty, extra pay and good food.
The other thought, what drew her to Waterloo, Iowa. It’s not like it was a gold rush or they found a large oil deposit. She left East St. Louis for a reason. Was, she brought there by someone to fill a need. Also, who reported her missing. She had only been there for a month, and someone thinks enough of her to report her missing.
I am sure the bike gangs probably are connected to many crimes around the country, especially with the distribution of drugs.
I think that a case like this and a few others, the crime scene should not have been contaminated. It’s not like a crime scene from 30 or 40 years ago. If need be you request assistance from the next higher agency.
I would think with advances that this case be looked at again. The resources from the FBI and forensics can provide more answers. The cutting of the what they thought was the phone lines, is also interesting. So what kind of lines were cut. Also, if the details of the crime have been entered into the FBI’ VICAP system. This way it could be linked to other similar crimes around the country.
Jody, can you contact the person who wrote this and see if they will speak with me off of Facebook? “The murder was never solved and the police questioned many of us who were teens at the time. It wasn’t the 60’s. It was more like 1972 and most of us thought it was a Penn student who left school right after the murder and lived next door.” It looks like we have the same suspect. When this happened, I was doing an undergrad degree in Psychology (graduated Feb. 1972). I wanted to be a Psychologist at the time, but got steered into another career. Now that I have been retired for a few years, I am starting another career, that of a Forensics Psychologist. I have just begun working on the degree in Clinical/Forensics Psychology. I will be getting an Iowa PI license and a Certified Forensics Interviewer certifications concurrently. The firm that sponsors the CFI did a number of motions and amicus briefs for the Steve Avery/Brennen Dassey case (Making A Murderer.) I am looking forward to an exciting career for the rest of my life or as long as I can work. If anyone has information on Ed Schmidt case, please contact me by IM on my personal FB page.
Carole: I have asked Tom Neuleib to contact you, since in 2016 he had two names of likely suspects. I continue to try to get Dateline interested in doing a segment on this.
Thank you. I wonder who wrote “most of us thought it was a Penn student who left school right after the murder and lived next door.” If I could talk to them, I think we could get a lot closer to solving it.
Linda and Janet, every season and every episode of “Cold Case” is available now on HBO Max. I just happened to run across it not that long ago. To my knowledge, Start TV, Roku TV, and HBO Max are the only mediums airing the former series at this time, though there could be other venues of which I’m not aware.
It sounds crazy and goes against everything in me. But I think the family should consider allowing the reward to be claimed by the offender or those involved in his disappearance. They don’t deserve it and Ethan’s loved ones wouldn’t want to do good for that person. But it could get the answers, and that’s what really matters.
There is not much information on Yvonne Nicholson’s background’s besides her being released from prison about 10 days before her death. Since, she is identified as being from Rock Island, Illinois. I assume her arrest was for prostitution, but where did she normally work or hang out in Illinois or Iowa.
Also Agnes Kennedy’s photos gives the impression that she would normally be seen at the Lyric Opera, or at a Broadway play, instead of doing a stroll down some city street looking for a john.
Not a lot of details on his disappearance. It would be nice if someone fill in the blanks about him, since the police seem to have failed to get them. We don’t know what he did for a living, if he was married, single, divorced, where he lived.
I looked at Rock Island and Moline, Illinois area on a AAA Road Atlas. Interstate 74 passes through the area, and noticed a Interstate – 280, that runs from I-74, and by passes Rock Island and Moline and ties into Interstate – 80, after crossing the Mississippi River. Also Interstate – 80, passes just north of Rock Island and Moline.
Often times a criminal will return to the scene of the crime to relive it. Sometimes I read these cases and the comments and wonder if this site isn’t providing a reliving the crime type of experience for the offenders. They can get on here, read about how the family is suffering, try to throw off the investigation…
I know it’s a stretch, and I may be overstepping my bounds, but I think it’s entirely possible that on occasion people commenting may have been involved. This is one of those that makes me wonder. I imagine everybody who comments can be traced. I think it would be worth it to investigate people who are commenting.
Well, here are the details from Galesburg. A Peoria salesman, Willia, Ross Kyle, was found dead in his room at the Sheraton Motor Inn, at Iinterviewedterstate – 74, and East Main Street, on June 25, 1980.
He died from a dozenzblows from a sharp heavy object to his head, neck and shoulders. He was found face down on the bed, knees on the floor, with his head covered in a blanket. There was no signs of forced entry, and very little taken from the room.
The authorities determined that a Raymondo Esparza, (50’s), a drifter, transient, drug addicted veteran as the offender. He was actually picked up by the police earlier and dropped off in the same area. He entered the motel, seeking something to eat. He carried a tool belt from his work on a sugar cane farm in Mississippi.
On the blanket, police found the bloody outline of the murder weapon was found. It matched the size and shape of a sugar cane knife. Also, they found a leather case with a metal fingernail clipper made in Europe. The manufacturer told authorities that the finger nail clippers had been only sent to a blood bank in California, which gave them out over a two week period. Esparza had been in the area receiving treatment for his mental health issues.
According to one of the lead investigators said that Esparza had a violent background, according to interviews with his girlfriends. They interviewed him, but could not get a confession. He later died of liver cancer at the Iowa City VA Medical Center in March 1983. This is not to far from Williamsburg. Authorities obtained a DNA sample from the VA, to compare, but the material from the crime scene was degraded to be useful.
I don’t see it mentioned in regards to the murder of Roger and Rose, but they appeared to be covered with a blanket. Also, they were face down in bed. These two crimes scenes should be reviewed by a criminal profiler, to see if they might be linked.
Raymund or Raymond Esparza was born on January 7, 1931 in Morgan City, Louisiana, and died March 26, 1983, per VA & SS records on Ancestry. Also, his SSN, was issued in California. He served in the U.S. Army as a Corporal in Korea, (1948-1952). At some point in time he lived in Rock Island, Illinois. This information is listed on his VA headstone in California.
At some point in time his family moved to California. His mother died in LA, on 9/17/1937.
I live between Rock Island and Williamsburg and was about 10 when this occurred. What I’m wondering is did Raymond work sometime at the Rock Island Arsonal? If military and he was pretty young. The 2 VAs were Des Moines and Iowa City.
I agree this murder was personal. Also, the theats to Tammy and her files were destroyed in a fire. Also, what about the incident in Galesburg, Illinois on June 25th. Anyone know more details on that incident.
Also, their was the murder of that couple at the Amana Holiday Inn, in September 1980. I notice that all three of locations are connected to Interstate -80. On another webite, they mention a witness claiming the offender was driving a red in color Ford Mustang. I wonder if a similar vehicle is connected to any other cases.
As usual, I will ask if these cases were entered into the FBI’s VICAP system. It might identify a pattern or link to other crimes. Who knows it might be connected to other unsolved cases
A minor tweeking of the story, refers to a newspaper article tmentions July 4, 1962. However, the article that is shown is dated correctly July 4, 1982. It does not exactly mention that the husband was cleared of any involvement in the crime.
Also, where is this motel located in relation to the Starlite Motel, where Linda Mayfield was murdered. Also, the one Wisconsin hospital is 20 miles from her home in Michigan. I think that Wisconsin, is more than 20 miles from Nunica, Michigan.
There was no forced entry to her room, located on the 1st floor. So, it had to be someone she knew or someone claiming they were from the motel allegedly saying they needed to check something.
I find it interesting that the authorities collected DNA evidence in this case back in the 1970’s. Maybe, we need to rethink that since DNA, did not come along until the early 1980’s, and was still not as advanced as it is now. I assume they may have collected blod evidence from the crime scene of Sarah’s murder.
I hope they still have the evidence and it should be sent for updated forensic testing. Who knows what they might find. Maybe a link to another suspect.
Andrea, I agree the belt should be tested. Also, what other evidence they might have. However, the medical examiner really threw a monkey wrench into the prosecutor’s case, when he changed the time of death. A bit of rush to judgement in his time of death, and did not consider the food, and then the telephone call.
However, the neighbor had access to her apartment, supposedly there were no signs of forced entry. I wonder who else knew about that other door. Also, they moved out within days of the murder.
They should have taken their time, and gotten everything nailed down.
It should be reviewed by newer invetigators. I am sure that they might come up with something. It wonder however if any of the evidence still exists. With new forensics they might find something different.
I notice there is no mention of the certain circumstances of her murder. Also, was anything of value taken from the residence. Tina, how many times was she stabbed. I Wonder why they determined that the stepson and his buddy, did the dirty deed.
Also, who stood, to inherit her money, and that mansion of a mobile home. I find it interesting that they moved the trials to two other counties. Maybe, the authorities should have stood down after the hung and maybe dead locked juries, and reviewed things, and looked at their case.
Robin, for general information a Vietnam veteran and lawyer from New York, disappeared sometime in 2005 or 2006. He was tracked through Pennsylvania and Ohio, I assume he was using his credit card. Well, he ended up in Chicago, where he found his way to the Pacific Garden Mission. He was using a name in found on a empty medication container.
He finally got with someone there and they checked and found he was a missing person from New York. He had PTSD, and was depressed prior to leaving. Also, he had walked through the twin towers sometime prior to them being struck.
Also, it migh be an idea to see if they was any activity on her social security number or even Medicare. About a year ago, a New York State Police investigator, was trying to identify remains that had been found. They appeared to match the description of a woman who disappeared in Sullivan County, in New York, over 20 or more years before. They found the case report, and rechecked everything. That included her SSN, and found a woman with the same 1st name, but a different last name. She was a resident in a nursing home in Lowell, Massachusetts. They took the picture from their case file, and drove to Lowell. She recognized her picture. Her husband had died since she dsappeared, which did not bother her.
I wonder if the suspect Mr. Schnider, had a criminal record prior to this crime. I don’t understand how they transferred the button to the FBI, and they supposedly they lost it. Yet, according to a post the victim’s son has the button and other evidence. It would be interesting to know how he has the evidence. Also, it’s contaminated and also, the chain of custody was not maintained. So, any good criminal defense attorney, would have it thrown out. So, we are back to square one, unless we get the alleged offender to admit that he shot the victim. Then he would get a easy sentence after pleading to a lesser offense.
I bet the Ames Police Department, is actively investigating the case, so they can’t reveal any evidence. It would hurt the case and maybe cause the suspect to flee. He or she could cross the southern border into Mexico, but then they might be arrested for entering the country illegally.
But, at least his wife got all the money. It helped cover her debts to the boys from Chicago.
It would be nice if the Des Moines Police could provide a bit more details on his murder. Was he shot, stabbed, strangled, beaten to death. Also, was any money missing. Robbery, might be a motive to kill someone especially a cab driver. It makes me wonder why they are holding back some information. He was murdered over 22 years ago, and not releasing some basic information, seems to not have helped.
Patrick, as the founder of Iowa Cold Cases, I give thanks to the Des Moines Police Department for taking the time to provide to me a list of their unsolved homicides, to include the names of victims, their case numbers, the address or vicinity where these individuals were killed, and the crime dates.
I’d also like to note that the DMPD has an incredible 85% homicide-clearance rate (as of the end of 2018), which is not only higher than many other Iowa cities, but well above other several other major American cities.
It’s been nearly 14 years since the ICC website launched, and there were far less digital newspaper archives available in 2005 as there are today. Murders across the state are going cold faster than we can add pages for them on ICC, and we put a priority on getting the names and basic details added to the site rather than queueing up back-logs of other names that equally deserve to be noted here. In between adding new cold cases there are tips to forward to the respective investigating agencies, numerous inquiries awaiting responses via email, website comments, ICC’s Facebook page (where there are more comments and messages to review), and of course taking daily phone calls.
We are an Iowa nonprofit agency run by real human beings who also have real lives we must address.
As more and more arrests are made by agencies utilizing genetic genealogy, those case summary pages must be updated accordingly to reflect current developments and/or convictions or acquittals.
This site’s mission is to include on the website every known unsolved homicide to remind readers these cases remain unsolved and information still badly needed. We are not city- or county- or state-paid homicide detectives. But we spend thousands of hours every year trying to keep this ever-increasing list of victims’ stories up to date (including any arrests and details arising during the subsequent trials) in a state that has no official Cold Case Unit. Are we able to include every single detail of every case or answer every question posed to us? Real examples on different cases include:
Did officials ever test so-and-so’s DNA?
Why didn’t family members report him/her missing earlier?
Was this victim found missing her shoes, too?
Why was the family told by LE officials it was a “freak accident” when in fact there were three separate fatal injuries inconsistent with falling from a car traveling 15 mph over a speed bump?
Did you do a real estate search to see who owned the foreclosed home the victim later purchased?
How many times was he/she stabbed?
Did LE conduct a rape kit at the time?
How much money was missing?
How many times was he/she shot?
Did officials ever consider disinterring every casket buried that week, because you know, given the suspect’s profession, how easily one could dispose of a weapon in a casket’s lower end beneath all that silk and padding?
How many people knew the couple kept a safe in their basement?
All are legitimate questions, but why are they not being directed to the investigative agency instead of ICC? Who amongst us doesn’t know that LE oftentimes do not release the cause of death (or even how many stab wounds a victim sustained and where on his/her body?) because it possibly could compromise an ongoing investigation.
We have several hundred cases on this website from across the state, and though we do conduct research and interviews and update case summaries on a regular basis, we don’t have access to all documents in every city/county cold case file.
In an in-depth 2018 Washington Post series titled, “Murder with Impunity,” there are numerous sections that address different aspects of homicides such as Where Killings Go Unsolved. Another article in the series is “Buried Under Bodies” (published Sept. 13, 2018), and it explores the average homicide caseload any detective should reasonably be expected to handle over a one-year period. (Hint: “Any city that has a homicide detective handling more than five cases is kidding themselves,” according to Vernon Geberth, who wrote the textbook used by many police departments to teach homicide investigation. “Even the best detective can’t handle more than five cases,” Geberth says.)
The people who contact ICC are looking for answers they haven’t found in newspapers or press releases or in phone calls to detectives, but both Carol Kean and I juggle many separate cases per day and dig to find those answers (to include photos for victims in archives). We do it because we care about the victims and the family members left behind, but we don’t and never will have all the answers. Still, we carry on.
Thanks, I see a need for the various Attorney Generals around the country, to establish cold case units, that would use retired and active investigators and some federal input, to take these cases. That way they could take the burden off the local agencies to work on the more pressing cases.
The idea for this came from author J.A. Jance, a mystery novel writer. One of her characters is a J.P Beaumont, who have a number of years moved from Seattle P.D., to the Special Homicide Investigation Team (SHIT), which is under the control of the Attorney General. They have statewide jurisdiction.
Here is Illinois, the reported on the unsolved murders of a number of mainly African-American women, who have been found on the West side and South side of Chicago. The Chicago Police response is their waiting for DNA, to provide some sort of investigative lead. I am of the mind set, that they should be looking for other things that might point them towards an offender. What will they do if the DNA comes from someone not in the system. They are back to square one
I agree that they do withhold certain information as in regards to cause of death. But, in many other cases the authorities have released that information. I have a problem with some of the stuff that has been withheld, especially in cases that are over 20 or more years old. That little tidbit about a ring, or watch that was missing, might have jogged someone’s memory.
I came across a cold case from Indiana, involving the murder of a man and his wife, on Websleuths. I don’t know all the details, but one of the main contributor appears to be someone from their family. It appears when in days of their murder a relative is cleaning out the house. Also, that included a safe containing numerous firearms. When complained to the police about it, they were told its a civil matter. Wait a minute could one of those weapons have been used to murder them. There are hints that the relative was a female who had a serious drug problem.
I also point to Todd Matthews, a spokesman for NamUs, to was the guy who spent years of his time trying to identify the murdered woman known as the Tent Girl.
Cindy, did Valerie actually go swimming at the pool. Also, why would she leave alone, since it appears you two went there together. Also, did she have a boyfriend, possibly someone older than she was.
Also, a comment mentions someone with a shoe fetish. Can someone elaborate on this person. Again, is this and the others entered into VICAP.
Valerie and I were dropped off at the pool by my parents. We were going for the evening swim session and she was going to stay the night at my house after. We paid our admission and went to the changing room. It was then that she handed me her suit and towel and informed me that she was going to go meet someone and would return to swim within the hour. I instantly had a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach. As much time as we had spent together as friends, she had never done something like this. She seemed nervous and conveyed that the person she was meeting would be angry if she was late. I begged her not to go. But she promised to be back within the hour. I proceeded into the pool area and immediately went to the chain link fence that separated the pool from the park and looked out to see her walking South of the pool. I called out to her and she started towards me. I asked her again to stay and she smiled and said I’ll be back. I watched her walk away for several minutes, and then turned my attention to the pool. Valerie never returned. My parents were there at 8 pm and were very concerned when I told them what transpired. I cannot answer any questions about the person with the shoe fetish as I have never heard about that. I have answered hundreds of questions over the years about that night. Maybe thousands. And I will continue to answer them, if for no other reason, than to keep her memory alive. She was a wonderful person. Kind and funny. She loved life and animals. She didn’t deserve what happened to her. But she deserves justice.
What a haunting description – and to relive it hundreds, thousands of times, answering questions, but never coming up with new answers (who, why). Yes, she deserves justice!
Cindy, what you say here – “she handed me her suit and towel” – is different from what Valerie’s grandma reported: “When she (Cindy) came outside later, she found Valerie’s swimming suit and towel nearby” – Valerie walked from the pool to the Hicks residence, where she “spoke briefly with an older Hicks girl,” then walked away and “was last known seen” (???) on the street corner around 8:30 p.m. Sunday. When Valerie hadn’t returned home by 10 p.m., her father filed a missing persons report with the Waverly Police Department.
A town the size of Waverly, someone had to see something and know something – and with the FBI joining forces with local LE, how hard could it be to figure out what happened to Valerie?
Carol, your response to Cindy’s version of what happened that Sunday evening makes me wonder where she would have gone that she would be back in 1 hour.
Also, Cindy’s parents dropped them off, yet Valerie decides to go off and meet someone. Then why go the swimming pool, if she had to meet this individual, who gets angry when she is late. Unless it was her way of sneaking out of the house using the excuse that she was going swimming with Cindy.
If she returned then she would be using Cindy, to cover for something she was doing against her father’s wishes.
I can say with certainty, that my account of the events at the pool are accurate. It has been almost fifty years since that night. And I can see the events as clearly in my head today as I did then. I don’t discount the Ted Bundy theory. Anything is possible. But my gut tells me otherwise and that gut feeling has never been wrong. The person who did this, in my opinion, is hiding in plain sight.
Cindy, please know that I was not questioning the accuracy of your recollections. Valerie’s grandma quoted you one way, but people misquote others all the time. She said you said….
I am saddened all the more with every passing year that a town as small as Waverly cannot figure out which one of their own is a killer. I have no doubt this was not some distant serial killer passing through town. Joseph Carmody Jr. had victims in Waverly as early as 1971. Julie Benning, #2 of “The Waverly Three,” was silenced during the same month that two Waverly women charged Carmody with rape. He was operating there. It’s possible that Valerie was supposed to recruit a new girl for them, but failing to produce her (the Hicks girl), Valerie got killed. Lisa Peak was held captive by Carmody when she went to interview him in Mason City (journalism major, Wartburg, her freshman year). She escaped, got him arrested, and was writing a book about Carmody’s sex trafficking scandals when she was killed. I’ve always wondered by her co-author, Chuck Offenberger, never finished the book and got it published.
Who was the guy Valerie was supposed to meet that night? All roads lead to…. (Not a Serial Killer).
The other question is whether any other similar crimes have taken place under similar circumstances. That’s why it’s important that these cases get entered into the FBI’s VICAP system. There is no mention of any signs of struggle, at the store, such as displays knocked over.
What about the boyfriend, was he ever ruled out as a possible suspect. Also, was it normal for the manager to show up that early. Also, I would have made sure the authorities were be aware that a woman, was working alone at the store, so that they would check her on a routine basis. It also could have been accomplished by a phone call. If no response, then a unit would be dispatched.
Mr. Elledge, do you remember the name of the individal that was charged. It might be something to tie him to this case. Also, how far away is Jones County from Delaware County. What was similar between the two cases. I assume the offender is deceased by now.
Yes, when the Jones County case happened, the M.O. And signature evidence matched.
That is the reason Delaware County Sheriff’s investigator Bert Elledge suspected the same man as the killer in the Delaware County case. Elledge worked closely with then
Jones County Deputy Jim Benter. Benter would be your best contact. Sheriff Barr of
Delaware County is deceased, as well as Deputy (later sheriff) Bert Elledge. If I recall correctly the suspect was convicted in the Jones County case, (the victim did not die
In that one) through the investigative efforts of Elledge and Benter. Seems like if memory serves the suspect upon conviction got 10 years, and did time. Jones County Clerk of Court should have the records, and Benter first hand knowledge. Seems like a few years ago DCI had it on their priority cold case list, and were digging back into it at one time.
Good luck.
Maybe Mr. Kurtz, returned and decided to kill Mr. Alborn. It was nice of the criminal justice system, to give him only 30 days for burglary. I wonder if his major was basic burgary, and was working towards an advanced degree in burglary.
It could that he had an interest in her, and most likely she blew him off. There was no signs of sexual assault, and no money was missing from the store. So this points to someone who was upset with her. Maybe her family can think of someone who expressed an interest in her, or someone who attended her services that was overly distraught.
I also wonder what was in his vehicle, when it was found in Mount Pleasant. I wonder if it might have been stolen. Also, I wonder what connection that this area had with Mr. Doerring or his family. I find it interesting that Harold and his wife were married in Beloit, Wisconsin.
List not complete, Gilbert was guilty, Brocks kill serving time in Illinois. These were casez the CRPD did not want to solve from the beginning. Other murders they considered accidents. For years CRPD was corrupt. Now for last seven years, they are second to none in this state. Now if the judicial process would catch up it would be great.
Jonathan, nice of you to update us in regards to the local police. Too bad, all these cases were not solved due to the local police being a problem.
However, where was the county and state law enforcement agencies stepping up to the plate. In Georgia, their Bureau of Investigation is required to review all cold cases. About 2 weeks ago, they arrested a woman, and charged her in the kidnapping of a 19 year woman, who disappeared almost 20 years ago.
April, thanks for the additional information on his criminal history. One of the problems in the criminal justice system is that we bounce from legislation that tells judges that if someone is convicted of a certain crime, they get a certain amount of time in prison. Then, we think that the judges should have the freedom, to decide how long a convicted criminal serves. Here in Illinois, many felons were barely serving half their sentence.
It also depends on the states attorneys, they sometimes will downgrade a charge, if the offender will take a plea. Here, in Illinois the powers to be want stronger gun control. However, many of those arrested for gun possession, get a slap on the wrist. Earlier this year a convicted felon, was running from the Chicago Police for selling drugs. A district commander chased him down. He struggled with the offender, who shot and killed him.
The politicians wanted to place a ban on selling extended magazines for weapons. Yet they missed the point that he was convicted felon, and could not legally possess a firearm. If he was arrested on a gun charge, he would get a slap on the wrist.
In New York, they have stricter gun laws, that were passed by an Irish-American elected official back in the 1930’s.
I hope we can get the family’s attention to the information you have posted on Christopher Drew. Keep me in the loop. I would love to get my hands on a all the arrest reports and criminal history. A good review might develop some investigative leads. They, might even provide names of others involved.
Someone, mentioned the rumor that he owed people money to people here in Chicago, which might point the finger at the Chicago Mob, or the branch in Milwaukee. It might be something for the Chicago Crime Commission. They have done their homework on the mob and street gangs over the years.
The family is monitoring the posts Patrick however there is nothing anyone can do with this information. It needs to be provided to the authorities. The authorities who seemingly have zero interest in this case.
A great use of time might be to better understand why “Dsm Lady” is so interested in knowing about any potential reward so many years later.
Robin, this is only a guess on my part. I came across this disorder in an article about a missing woman from New York. Her sister was identified as an MD, and most likely works in the field of psychiatry.
There are a number of articles about disappearances connected to this disorder. A couple of individuals have experienced several bouts of this disorder. If you get a chance Google the names Hannah Upp and Jody Roberts.
This disorder has been written up in medical journals, but nothing in law enforcement journals. It would be nice if they could put something together such as a profile to say this person might have fled because of this. The other problem is to create a search protocol for law enforcement.
I am a former police officer and detective, and worked at two VA hospitals in Chicago.
There were a number of people who rode with her in the Des Moines Commuter Club, several that day, including me. I didn’t remember any details about her, I usually slept or studied in the car. A lot of members became friends with fellow passengers. If they weren’t all interviewed, something may have been missed. At this point my memory is fuzzy too. I would trust the notes of the detective who interviewed me and the car schedules and passenger lists I gave him more than my own memory.
It is also possible that police know, but just can’t make a strong case or they know the criminal is safely incarcerated or already dead.
Can targeted funding like Crime Stoppers or a Go Fund Me help get a re-look? Can civilians get involved? As an engineer, I know that fresh minds applied to a problem can often uncover what previous people overlooked. Just like a technical problem I don’t want to let go. I know there are many cold cases but this is the only one that directly affected me.
Another important message is that police and people in general think human life important enough to bring murderers to justice no matter how long they think they have gotten away with it.
JP, the State of Wisconsin has a Cold Case Review Team of 13 active & retired investigators, with local, state and federal agencies. They bring 13 extra sets of eyes and don’t hesitate to ask the agencies if they took certain steps or spoke to other people.
So, the case should be reviewed by others, with a more detail. How, a homicide investigation is handled today is different then when she was murdered. So, different questions would be asked.
Yes, Even if a detective simply re-read the case notes with an eye to what might have been missed or what new forensic tools might be applied it would be hearting. It would be good if say every 10 years at least that was done. Another thought. It would be good if agencies would report a status like: no suspect, suspects but weak evidence, suspects in prison for other crimes, suspects deceased. I could be satisfied with no further review if a suspect is deceased and that was reported here. Of course the suspects should not be named to protect the innocent.
I think a volunteer team of people connected by the internet having some appropriate training in forensics but not necessarily detectives or forensic experts could review cases and ask questions that then could be reviewed by professionals. Appropriate non-disclosure safeguards would have to be instituted but I think the fresh eyes might generate some of the right questions. An organization like Iowa Cold Cases might sponsor such an effort.
j think the authorities need to consider the girlfriend as a suspect. I agree with LuAnn, that the girlfriend should have gone after him. But, she was protecting her brothers. If it was my family member, I would be filing a wrongful death lawsuit against the girlfriend and her family. It might force them to come clean about what happened.
Teresa, keep pushing for the retesting of the pillow case. Also, how many people knew about the safe in the basement. It appears from this story, that family members knew about it.
It might be something to challenge family members to provide some answers. Also, it seems odd that the thief would remove the pillow case at the crime scene. Unless, he believed they the victim’s wife would not turn him in.
Also, was there a problem with the local police to do an investigation on their suspect. I guess it was to hard to develop leads by working the street. Also, what was in the safe, that was of value.
JP, also it’s important that we keep discussing and commenting on these cases. It might knock loose some tidbit of information that someone all sudden remembered. It might have been something inconsequential, but in the grand scheme of things it might be the key to solving her murder.
JP, I find that sometimes law enforcement does not interview everyone. A few years ago someone commented on a cold case involving somene in Mchigan. The person, had received a phone call from the person who disappeared the night before. She was looking for a ride, but the poster was going out of town. The poster had never been interviewed by the police all these years later.
Also, quite often relooking at cold cases is not a priority. Also, a recent article reported that testing of evidence from cold cases was not a priority for crime labs in California. This allowed several offenders to remain on the street, committing further violent crimes.
It cost money, manpower, and other resources to relook at cold cases. But, it also sends a message that the agency does not give up. It also important to the famiy that the authorities are still determined to find the answers to what happened to their loved one.
April, I found a whole bunch of addresses for Christopher, most of them in Des Moines and West Des Moines. But, came across three addresses in California, two in Riverside and one in Pomona. Also, one address in Betany, Missouri, which is located close to Interstate -35.
One of the addresses in California, dates to around May 1996. It makes me wonder, if he was hiding out in California, for some reason. I believe his date of birth is July 24, 1975. Maybe, being in California was to create an alibi.
Also, he filed an appeal to a conviction, that he pled guilty to via some sort of form. He had been arrested for being drunk, and arguing with someone in a trailer park. He suuposedly told someone that “he knew some N word, that carried guns, or something to that effect”.
It appears he has a problem with alcohol. That could be the trigger for some of his violent acts over the years. I dealt with patients at a VA hospital, who acted up and out due to the influence of alcohol. One of the reasons, I don’t drink, unless walking. It’s easier to cry in my oatmeal, plus it has fiber. LOL!
April, keep me in the loop, we will figure this out some way. Then, we will have to investigate other cold cases. A modern day Nick & Nora except we investigate online.
So on Iowa courts online it’s extensive. It’s amazing he’s even had the time to walk the streets to commit these violent acts ranging from assault to domestic abuse to robbery and harassment and the list goes on and on. He has several no contact orders from several women. The list was so long I didn’t have the time to view them all. I am hoping family members see this and take this info to the police. Check him out on Iowa courts online
I find it interesting that a number of communities in Iowa, are so anti-social in regards to people who move into the area. But, then there are those people who alllow their family members get away with murder. This seems to have popped up in another cold case posted on this website. I guess this is tolerated in Iowa, even up to the state government.
But, then here in Illinois, we have elected officials put their family members in government jobs. It appears they could not handle working in the private sector, like real people. I actually worked for the federal government for a number of years, but left after having to deal with incompetent leaders.
I missed the work, but the leadership tolerated the incompetent people. But, then the leaders don’t know the process of leadership, and how to properly deal with these people. I just easy to move them around then get rid of them.
I searched him on one database. They have links to some court records. I did not find anything on him on the database. There was a number of Christopher Drew’s in the court record database, but not him, for some reason.
I need to get a hold of that detective of MR.Marlon’s case i’m doing a report on him in class and he is about my age so I picked him…PLEASE WRITE BACK👮
April, I wonder if the authorities ever looked at him for this crime. Also, he would have been about 21 years old at the time of this crime. It would be interesting to run him through the databases and see what he has been arrested for. Was he ever connected to any street gangs of note. Maybe, one connected to my neck of the woods in Chicago.
I wonder if any of Big Earl’s family is monitoring your postings on Mr. Drew. Then, they could pass it along to the authorities. Keep me in the loop.
April, and other interested party’s, Christopher Sean Drew, 43, was booked into Polk County Jail, on October 22, 2018, for Public Intoxication- 3rd offense, and two counts of parole violations. So, he might be a keeping the State of Iowa for awhile.
It sounds like something that the Chicago Mob, would want a piece of his profits. They most likely behind on his street tax, or wanted to be silent partners in his business. What,I don’t uunderstand is the arson business. The offender gets community service, what a crock. Some jail time was deserved.
Alsom has anyone checked Mr, Christopher Drew’s background. He sounds like a possible person of interest. April, you need drop a dime via crime stoppers.
He may have been hospitalized somewhere, but because of HIPPA, this information is restricted. The family should contact the Salvation Army. They have a Missing Person’s Bureau. They can be contacted online or by calling an 800 number. They have some sort of form, to fill out and submit. The person has to be missing for at least 6 months. Freddy, meets this requirement.
Also, if he has gotten medical treatment, he might have a Medicare or other medical coverage. It might be something for law enforcement to check with Social Security, who knows he might be getting SSI for his condition.
It’s been about almost 6 years around that since u been gone brother I know I don’t show my feelings but now I am I am hurting inside really bad my heart is broken I miss u so much I cry all the time brother Freddy this is Chris ur bRotherham I miss u so much it hurts a lot I am crying right now cuz ur still gone and no one has heard anything from u if ur still out there I hope u are please try to get a hold of someone wherever ur at brother I hope u are safe and I love u so much Freddy please come home I am so hurt without my brother Freddy I wish u were still here I love u
Chris I am sorry you are hurting I just came on here to say I am currently researching your brothers case and have been following it since the “sighting” of him in Davenport that turned out no to be him a couple years ago. He is not forgotten, best wishes to you and yours
Hello I have called the police in every single state and have called everyone in the Homeless shelters across the USA I have filled out every paper work in the USA every State and Country so far nothing has came up .I have sent flyers every where if you or anyone else know what happened to Freddie please call me I’m Sherrie Brown I’m Anna’s sister 813-313-8777
Still no word on Fredrick Workman i have never stopped looking for him,i would like to put his picture up on missing persons again in hopes it jogs some body memory ..i have a new phone number in case someone wants to talk about my nephew or have possibly saw him 8134394982 I will continue to pray 🙏 and look for him Freddy you are loved
It makes wonder what the story is with the different alias names. It would make me think that he had an arrest record besides the terrorism charge. I assume that he did not have any other weapons after his arrest. It might have been someone thinking he had some money, and was upset that when he didn’t.
It’ nice that the people who posted on here, know what supposedly happened. Law enforcement should be monitoring this page. All, they would need was to fill in the details, and file charges.
There is no proof. The family of the slain hired a detective, and the family of the accused sued for defamation, or something like that if I remember correctly. The bottom line was, there was no proof. Only heresay.
He was active in the church, yet was homeless. He was arrested for public intoxication. Yet, he could spend hours doing crossword puzzles. An interesting character. I would be looking at someone in the homeless community that all of a sudden dropped out of sight. Maybe, his character changed under the influence of alcohol, and he got someone bent out of shape enough to take his life. But, the cause of death took a while to determine.
I would wonder how he was murdered, that was complicated. It makes me wonder if anyone else was murdered the same way anywhere else.
A certain Iowa grocery chain moved their corporate headquarters to Chariton in 1945. Did the founders have young sons at that time? No doubt they were influential in Chariton. Just a thought I had.
1981 a man with 1972 impala tried to kill me me he had black hair with a pitted face and also drove a small white car he was never caught ,he beat me with a metal baseball bat and was a public official he often drove 19th street and 1st ave . He ran me over when I dug my fingers in his eyes ,I will never forget his face
Just for general information, there is psychological disorder that is triggered by severe emotional trauma, that leads to amnesia and the person to flee the area.
This disorder is called Dissociative Fugue, and can last for months and years. A man in Australia disappeared for almost 23 years. He was actually found by an investigator checking the Australian version of Medicare. This was a week before he was to be declared dead.
It could be that she wandered off and might have lived thinking she was someone else. It is only a guess. Since, she had been dealing with depression. This disorder is considered rare, but their maybe a number of undiagnosed cases.
Wilbur Millhouse, a man who lived directly across the street from Morris’ store, implicated himself in Johnny Gosch’s disappearance in 1982. In 1973, the DM Register interviewed Millhouse at the scene of Morris’ murder and quoted a neighbor who said Morris would only have unlocked that store door after hours for someone from the neighborhood. In 1986, Millhouse went to prison for 20 years for sexually abusing teen boys. It would not surprise me at all if Millhouse was involved in Morris’ murder too.
No the person who is involved lives here in Mesa Az at 155 N. 88th way 85207 his name is Mark David Davis Sr.? He’s also a Child Molester & Rapist I should know I’m one of his victims & unfortunately one of his siblings our family had to leave Iowa because of his crimes he was young violent & on drugs (PCP) & involved with people even far more dangerous than him! His terror continued in AZ on innocent women & children. I’m sure if they took his prints & DNA they’d be able to solve several unsolved cases.
Are you saying he implicated himself in David Morris’ murder, or in the Johnny Gosch or Eugene Martin kidnappings? Did he live in Iowa in the early 1980’s? How old would he have been in 1982? Did he have any involvement with the Des Moines Register?
Also, Millhouse was a newspaper dispatcher who regularly drove old delivery trucks at that time.
Millhouse wasn’t the only pedophile working with the young delivery boys at that time, there were at least two others, delivery boys had stories about them propositioning the teens often, rumors of worse, and Millhouse mentioned on a number of occasions that Gosch never learned to keep quiet and that’s what got him in trouble, this was after he went missing.
Has Kimberley Sue Doss’s DNA ever been compared to Princes Doe, Found dead in Blairstown, N.J. August, 1982. I have been inquiring for years now with no answers. Is it possible there are some mix ups with DNA samples from wrong parentage?
Another unsolved attack on a senior citizen in Des Moines. Again no mention of any signs of forced entry. Off course, the police may have held back this information. Who knows, someone after all these years could walk into the police and claim they killed him.
This would be a detail that trip him up, if he or she confessed to the crime.
I again wonder if this case was entered into the FBI’s VICAP system. It would be interesting to see if there were any other cases involving the use of a .32 caliber firearm. There were two girls found murdered in Chicago in the early 1970’s, that were shot with a 32 caliber firearm.
Also, a young man missing from Zion, Illinois, was found shot to death with a 32 caliber firearm in Racine County, Wisconsin. I know the case involving the two girls by has never been solved. The murder of the young man, I am not sure about.
I wonder if the Dubuque Police, ever ran a check on the vehicle VIN number. I recommend they contact the National Insurance Crime Bureau. They could check their databases and see if they come up with anything. This is like doing a Carfax check before buying a used car to make sure it was not damaged.
I have wondered the same thing. Parts of that car like the tires, grill etc could be in a junkyard. But a chop shop would have been a smarter choice
No record that way….
As, always they are protecting someone and don’t want to rat out their supposed good friends. How many young people get killed or wounded over an argument over some stuff that amounts to nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Their have been shootings, where someone was denied entry to a party. So they go home and get a gun. Then they go back and shoot up the place and kill or injure someone. If I don’t get invited to a party, it bothers me. I go home and cry in my oatmeal. But it does not bother me.
Therese, the other thing for crime patterns is geography. An investigator in Canada, plotted the locations of a rash of sexual assaults in his city. He theory was that the offender lived in the area, and was in his comfort zone. However, his computer program, sort of displayed a graph, vesus a map. There is a company that provides training in this area, and he was an instructor.
As former detective with the Veterans Administration hospital, I used a Geico leave and pay period brochure, to look at some thefts from patients. It highlighted that the thefts were taking place on pay week. We had no incidents after payday. It did not identify an offender.
There might be a pattern, or something that might link these cases, but it will not reach and grab you.
Someone, I assume thought that there was something of value in the place. The offender or offenders were most likely upset that they found nothing. But then there is no mention if anything was missing. Also, I notice there is no mention of signs of forced entry to his home.
I like that Theresa is looking at possible pattern to these attacks. It could that somene seemed to think that these seniors may have had something of value. It would be nice if these cases were entered into the FBI’s VICAP system. It was set up for this reason to help see if the M.O. of the crime had been used before.
The pattern could be related to the day of the week. It could be related to wgen they got their retirement checks. This was before we had direct deposit. Also, someone was observing certain stuff about these people, at a bank, store, drug store or whatever. Then they shared it with a friend who targeted them.
They might have something in common, that law enforcement did not look at or think to look at.
It appears that the authorities should have looked at the woman truck driver Lucy Evans and made sure they covered all the bases. I like that the prosecutor should have been clear as to the motive and not assumed a motive.
I wonder if the local police ever relooked at his case. Also, I wonder if their any similar crimes like this in the area. Also, the fact that the offender or an accomplice cut the phone wires
Also, I wonder if she had a previous boyfriend who was upset, that she dumped him and married Douglas. The other thing was that she was stabbed twice in the stomach, and once in the throat. I wonder if this was to keep her quiet. Also, the auhorities mention robbery as a motive, but no mention of anything missing, or signs of forced entry.
I wonder if contacting Des Moines Police would get them to look again in light of so many forensic technical developments in recent years. The investigation at the time seemed pretty thorough. I was asked about things like possible boyfriends and conflicts. I knew of none but provided lists of people she rode with commuting to Iowa State University. I assume those people were also asked.
I didn’t know her, but she was from my home town in Illinois. I went to school with her younger siblings. I remember when this happened, but was too young to understand much. I randomly remembered it after I developed a interest in cold cases. It always struck me as weird that a “robber ” would cut phone lines, and break in at basically dinner time? I do remember that she was strikingly beautiful (the photo used here is terrible) and wondered if some guy had fixated on her or targeted her. I very much doubt she had a boyfriend, both from what I know of her family; also she’d only been married for a few months. Her parents had the resources to pursue the case publicly or privately, and perhaps they did, or perhaps they wished to put it in the past. Looking at it now, it just seems strange that it’s labeled a robbery/murder and makes me wonder about the thoroughness of the investigation. I know there were a lot of unsolved homicides in Iowa in the years around this sad crime.
They were protecting their friends. That’s more important then standing up and telling the truth. We then have the local police involved in covering for the guilty parties. I would be suing the Garrison family and their son for the wrongful death of Douglas.
I like that Larry’s parents should crucified their son, for having the party and the fact that someone died in their house from being shot. I would be ashamed and do anything possible for the family
Theresa, the fact that a detective with the police department advised against looking into his murder is disgraceful. I wonder if these boys now a bit older have been paying off the right people to protect their own children’s mistakes.
Also, I wonder if the detective would feel the sameway if it was someone in his family? It would be nice to file a lawsuit against the police department accusing them of covering up the murder of Joe. It might expose those involved and also expose the corruption in the town. Then it would lead to a wrongful death lawsuit against those involved. Also the town’s residents should be ashamed that they protected those who committed the crime.
Especially, he did not hesitate to help someone in need. He was a good and decent man. I wonder what the FBI dug up in their investigation.
Sadly, it’s not uncommon for carpets and other bulky trash items to be dumped in semi-remote areas. I have seen everything from carpets and rugs, to stoves and wash machines, dumped in areas off the beaten path. Maus Park in Dubuque, due to it’s location, is a prime location for dumping items. Today, it is a mostly forgotten space, chiefly inhabited by the homeless.
The state of Iowa always has an excuse. I have no faith what’s so ever in our justice system. I can acknowledge Iowa is better for raising children but that doesn’t mean DHS, courts or law enforcement agencies are doing their job. Cha chingg$$$
This lack of information on these cases, is the norm in certain communities. In Illinois a coach for some sort of team, got upset and started an argument. He then pulls out a weapon. Luckily, no one was shot, and he got arrested.
What a nice example for the kids on the team. Their coach is supposed to be example and provide leadership and guidance.
Instead, this guy resorts to the street gang mind set. Well, what do we expect, when we promote this violence in certain songs, movies and video’s.
I like this story, he gets discharged from the hospital, visits a daughter and then has to hitchhike home. I am glad not be part of his supportive family.
They just threw him under the bus. Then he is found murdered and his body wrapped in a tarp. I also like that there is no identified cause of death. But the authorities claim he was murdered. Was an autopsy performed by someone, and he or she classified it as a homicide?
What do we know about the tarp. Where was it made or sold. Where we normally find this type of tarp. I quite often see trucks hauling various products that are coveted with tarps.
I wonder if any of the veteran posts provide any transportation to the Iowa VA’s for patient to visit there clinics.
He served his country and needs medical treatment at the VA. Then no one gives a damn on how he is supposed to get home.
There are a lot of untrue things being said, but i can assure you that we are just as happy that you’re not part of our supportive family. Find something else to take your bitterness out on.
Not a lot of details on his murder. There is no mention of what he was doing for a living after returning from Vietnam. Also, were there any shell casings found at the crime scene. If yes and hopefully they still have them they should be entered into the computerized ballistics system. Maybe the gun was used in another crime, or recovered by law enforcement.
These cold cases should be revewed and details that were with held be released to seek information or investigative leads.
I agree!
They need to check the shell casings.
I also find it very odd that the person who murdered him called it in!
Praying they find the person who did this!
I would assume, someone from law enforcement is still in the area, from that time period. I would think they would come forward and state yes that the police chief was corrupt, and protected this pimp, and others. Also, the BCI, was involved, would they tolerate a coverup. I wonder if her autopsy could be revewed by a pathologist today and maybe he or she might be able to pinpoint something on how she might have died.
Also, how did she get to where she was found. It would have been nice to determine what caused her to runaway. Also, was the former boyfriend ever interviewed. What about her close friends.
Bill, individuals involved in human trafficking, normally target young women, who may be runaways. So, the term “Pimp”, was used by the commenter to describe an individual, who was involved in prostitution.
She could have be targeted by this guy, since she was a regular runaway. We have her juvenile probation officer, sort of ignoring the fact that she had runaway again. He was going to work the grapevine.
This was the mindset of law enforcement when teens disappeared. Here in the Chicago area, many years ago, a 11 year old boy was missing from home. The police figured he ran away, since the family was moving to Kentucky.
Then they changed that mindset, when he his body was found in the woods. It was determined that some individuals had burglarized his home and found him in the process. So, one of the burglars killed the boy.
I pray that someone has seen your comment by now Andy! And that it has not been pushed under a rug.. I don’t think that your off base at all. Anytime someone is feeling as if they are being watched,.. 99% of the time they are.
Im curious about the shell casings at the scene of where Lisa’s body was found ..and the fact that the Connelly boy was shot to death. Could they have been linked in some way? Or perhaps the person who disposes of the evidence and bodies in the same place..
I am sorry for the families loss… Truly a terrible thing! And to not have any answers or justice… And perhaps to never have justice served . RIP Lisa :(
There is no mention of forced entry. Also, if the neighbors saw or heard anything. Also, was she a stay at home mom, or did she have a job. Also, did the neighbors see or hear anything.
She ran an in home daycare at the time. No forced entry, and if I recall there was a sighting of a person wearing sunglasses who was spotted by a person in the neighborhood during the mid day.
It appears from some online records that Donald Eugene Wellington, may be deceased, but others show him as being 70 years old, with addresses in Palmdale and Pleasanton, California. So, which one is correct.
I wonder if they ever tracked down her ex-husband Donald Wellington. I am impressed t that Sheriff Bloemendaalm took the bull by the horn to solve this case. It’s important to someone and sends a message that his department will take the necessary actions to find and charge the offender in this case.
The other thought I had was that he might have suffered from what we now know as PTSD, from his service in WW II. Her divorcing him, most likely did not help him. He most likely never sought treatment and maybe qualified for a disability for his condition. The money could have helped him support his family. But, then he was thrown under the bus.
KP, he did have a responsibilty to support his family. However, he puts his life on the line for his country. He may have suffered some from serving in combat, that affected him. I wonder if he ever returned to Kansas, he might have gotten support from his siblings.
How many WW II veterans suffered from their time in combat. Many of them never spoke about what they saw. How many of them never sought the treatment and the option of getting a disability from the military.
So, this may have caused problems in his marriage, led to the divorce and being put in prison for non-support. So, he gets out an rides the rails and ends up dead in Iowa.
So, his ex-wife and family are out of luck in getting any financial support from him.
P.S. I am a veteran and the son of a WW II veteran, who suffered from what we know call PTSD. I also worked as a police officer and detective at a VA hospital in Chicago. So I have seen my share of what combat does to these guys.
One patient broke down crying about the fact that he was sent into combat in North Africa, with not a lot of training.
My father suffered during 18 months of combat, was wounded and knocked out three times from concussions. He got lucky when a doctor temoved him from combat.
His death is considered a homicide. Yet, it does not indcate how his death tied to exposure is considered a homicide. Also, he us from Kansas, yet spends time in a Oregon prison for non-support. He serves his country and they throw h7m in jail. He should have gone back to Kansas and his famiy. He might have found work and supported his family.
Since, he was deceased his ex-wife and kids got nothing for getting sent to prison. He gets out and is riding the rails and ends uo dead. I hope she was happy with the outcome.
You fail to understand, or at least to acknowledge, that he had a responsibility to support the children he fathered. It has nothing to do with whether or not she was “happy with the outcome”.
What a sad story. Her husband was killled during the war. She then gets remarried and then separates from him after a short period of time. I don’t understand all the tattoos. Also, she was from Ohio, and then marries Stanley in West Vrginia. Then she ends up in Davenport, working at a laundry. It makes me wonder why she did not go back to her family in Ohio. She could have been estranged from her family, and was embarased to return home.
They may think they got away with this. They think the law can’t get them but know this: Karma will find you. It always does. Keep looking over your shoulders guys cuz Karma is following you and you never know when it will reach out and grab you.
I really think the waterways need to be searched in the area he was last known to be in. My thoughts and prayers are with Ethan’s family and loved ones. He’s been missing far too long. They need answers, justice if his disappearance was at the hands of another, and some measure of closure.
I like the fact that the Hotspot manager does not remember David being there that night. But supposedly he got into an argument with someone there earlier. So, I guess the manager ignores the fights and arguments taking place at the club. But, then he be protecting his gang members who hang out at the club.
Also, wonder about the car VA accident. He was driving a friend’s car. Could his friend beenb brought the actual target.
I’m sorry I never got the chance to respond to this how to say yes there is 20 people to interviews and nobody wants to step forward 20 some years later in the person’s car he was driving with a female and she passed away a couple short years later that seems to be that code of the street where nobody speaks
I wonder, if she was having any problems with someone at work. I am surprised that all her supposed friends did not want to go fishing with her. Did one of them know something was going to happen.
Also, her phone is missing, which is interesting. But their should be records of all the phone calls she made. It could be that the offender’s picture might be on there. Also, where was she staying while on her fishing trip.
This is real nice. His pregnant girlfriend and “friends”, cleaned up the crime scene for two hours before calling EMT’s. I guess they wanted to make sure that authorities did find proof that they killed him. I hope someone was charged with obstruction. It might be an udea if they dumped his body.
I hope she can explain to his child that mommy killed daddy.
Nobody was charged. And police said not any evidence to charge anyone .And the skank murdered his unborn child too and got away with that also. The police dept in fairfield iowa is lazy..and corrupt. Police letting the ho get away with murder while their other officers are eating pain pills they steal from the vet clinic. Another officer with domestic abuse charges but can carry weapon while on duty is now been moved up as a Sheriff’s deputy..and he beat on a woman after handcuffing her and charging her for domestic while she was bruised and bleeding from her old man at the time and his nephew investigated the report she made on him and of course found no reason to charge him with a crime. Something needs to be done with this police dept ..There is way too many illegal things going on. Too many crimes not being investigated right. Murder left unsolved cause they dont wanna do their jobs right .
Not a lot of details in this case, but it took place a couple of months before I was born. It would be a nice case for cold case investgation training. I wonder if the Delaware County Sheriff’s office even has any records or evidence from the case.
It mentions that he was found on the front lawn of the Barney Wiskus Home. I wonder what kind of place. Also, if it was not his residence, then why was he there. Did he wrk or live there. It would be nice to know.
So heartbreaking! I remember Kim well and have thought of her many times over the years…..praying for answers and justice for Kim! Wish there was something I could do to help
I’m so sorry for the loss of your sister, Kim. It’s just horrible. When reading the story from that night 32 years ago, some law official should have noticed something just isn’t right. Is there anyway you can go over the sheriff’s head and have Kim and Craig’s case reviewed? I hope you and your family get some closure.
He is murdered about five months after his last divorce. Also, authorities seem to blow off the report of the fight with his latest supposed marred girlfriend. His friends were concerned to mention it.
Mr. Teske, I assume that supposedly Mr. Clary was abusive, and not your grandmother’s husband. However, Mr. Clary served in Korea, so he could have been dealing with what we now call PTSD. That would have contributed to his at least two marriages, and him having an affair with your grandmother.
I worked with a Chief Quartermaster, on a submarine who had spent time on the riverboats in Vietnam. I noticed certain things going on with him. AS a former employee of the Veterans Administration, those things were signs of PTSD, from being in combat.
I think it’s odd too that he divorced & a few months later he is dead but from what it says they were on good terms.
I also think it was odd that he got into a fight with his new gf.
Could he have fought with someone else too at the party?!
Maybe someone who followed him home from the party & they spoke in the trailer?
Then the person flipped out & murdered him.
I wonder what caliber the firearm was. In Chicago, two young teenagers were found murdered in Washington Park, on the Southeast side of the city in the 1970’s. They had been shot with a .32 caliber firearm. Someone said their murder was connected to the Chicago Mob.
One of the girls worked as a waitress at a restaurant and motel for truckers, that was owned by a mob guy. Also some senior mob leaders from Bridgeport section of Chicago, hung out there. So one of the girls may have overheard something.
There were several murders in that time frame, where a .32 caliber firearm was used. It would be nice if they released that information and other details.
Anon, I don’t know. It seems a long way from Iowa to Tarrant County in Texas. Also, we don’t know if the authorities in Iowa have any DNA, to compare with what ever they migh have in Texas. It might an idea to notify the Eagle River Police Department.
Also, is anyone from her family from Texas. It would help if the authorities provided more details. I guess it was to hard to provide them. It’s frustrating since they will ask for the public’s help.
Doubtful it is her – the age range given for Jane Doe was 21-35 (in 2013). Yerlanin would only have been 16 in that year.
I think it would behoove us all to consider the possibility that she exited this country with her family and has lived a perfectly normal and lovely life. It is somewhat common for Latino families to return home and very normal for them to return for visits. There very well could have been issues that prevented their return.
Charlie, the local police would have a problem if another agency was bought into review their investigation. But, if they have nothing to hide, it would support what they have done so far in their investigation. The outside agency might recommend further action.
This case should be reviewed by another agency. If Les Kennedy was in law enforcement and still has friends in that field, then it appears that there is a conflict of interest. So, it would make sense to have an ouside set of eyes look at it.
Great answerPatrick. Why hasnt DCI or whatever authoritative Superced over any City Police Force or County Sheriffs office stepped in and taken over?? In 19yrs?? Im pretty sure FBI supervises over each County Sherriffs office in iowa. Idk for sure but i bet Jody Ewing might know oe be able to find out??
Charlie, the DCI can’t just step in and take over a case from its local jurisdiction. They MUST be called in and asked to assist in the investigation. Specific circumstances must be met in order for the FBI to intervene and take the lead on the case, and it also depends on the resources they have available to them at any given time. Jody @ ICC
Please allow me to say, there was nothing covered up by the Council Bluffs Police Department. I was a detective at the time and worked on this case, we all thought Les was in on it, but believing and proving are two different things. Les did everything in his power to sidetrack the investigation, like not allowing his wife to talk to us at all. Believe me when I tell you, Les Kennedy was not a friend of anyone on the department, we just lacked the DNA technology to solve this murder until recently. Since the suspect was Les’ son Matt, his attempts to cover up the crime and thwart the investigation are understandable, but Les could still be a coconspirator. In my mind, I believe he was in on this murder, but there is no proof as of now.
I Rember you Robert, Les was telling everyone I did it, my ex wife and I knew Kim she would hang out at our house a lot she was scared of Les and Matt Kennedy the situation is sad I alway thought Les And Matt Did it but like you said thinking and proving is way two different things.
It would be nice if authorities could provide more details. I mean what she doing when she disappeared. A commenter has posted that she was with her grandmother or her father.
I guess it was too hard for the authorities to provide more details. Unless the did not make an effort to get them
The local authorities could not have the expertise to handle a homicide. So, they could have requested some assistance from other agencies.
It makes wonder if someone had it in for them. I guess we will never know. Also, we have few details. All we know is that they were shot with .20 gauge shotgun. I assume there was no forced entry, no fingerprints, no footprints, no other forensic evidence.
One on-line directory seems to sho him as being at an address in the Bronx, New York, in August 2006. That’s about 6 months after he disappeared. But, he is currently living in Council Bluffs. Maybe he is hiding in plain site.
Clueless Human’s, I agree the authorities could have been a bit more specific about where he was from. Maybe, they never made the effort to check and let us know. The other question is whether he had any major emotional stresses prior to his disapearance.
Also, their is no mention of any family. Was he working anywhere, or attending school. Also, was he normally up and about at this time, There is no mention who him. I guess that is top secet.
Jack, I wonder if this case was ever reported in the Asian community’s in the area. I wonder if there is any Vietnamese communities in the general area of where she disappeared and found murdered.
Also, it wonder if there were any similar cases to hers anywhere in Iowa, or surrounding states. The other thing is wondering if this case was ever entered into the FBI’s VICAP system.
The other thing, is the question is whether she worked at the casino, or just went to hang out would seem to be easy to answer. The alleged boyfriend should have been able to provide that information. I would think authorities could have released that information to the public.
Sounds like a real nice family. The parents let their sons kill their son, and never threw them under the bus. I would charge them with concealing a homicide, and obstruction. Also the witness could have come forward after a number of years.
Then they could say that who actually murdered Frank. Then the case could be closed, and add that the offender or offenders are deceased. Authorities in Oregon or Idaho, about a year ago, identified an offender in the death of a young female resident of a state facility. He is also deceased. The cold case is closed.
WTF is an Alford Plea? I know what it is actually, but it is the stupidest thing and it really pisses me off. It not only allows, but encourages these criminals to continue to deny any personal responsibility. They are clearly guilty, but are allowed to say “I know it looks bad, but I super duper seriously didn’t do it.” And by continuing to lie they are rewarded with less time!
Everybody is a jerk sometimes, granted some more than others. But when I hear stories of a killer admitting “yeah, I did it, I’m sorry, let me answer all your questions so the family has closure” I actually find some respect, and even grief and forgiveness for the offender.
Offenders who continue to BS everybody should rot in prison because they clearly lack any conscience or personal responsibility.
F this guy and any coward who uses this plea as well as the SOBs who got the ball rolling on this garbage.
My regards to the family.
I would be interested to see if they had any evidence that could be tested, with the new tools available. But, it appears that they never recovered the weapon used to kill her.
Also could it be linked to the other murders mentioned.
So if Wilson didn’t commit the crime and it wasn’t Ed Edward’s. Who then did kill this baby so brutally? If he has passed away years ago… it should be ok and up for discussion. And I’d also like to know, … is why is this other person a suspect?
Lisa, you ask good questions. The problem is taking the known facts and connecting them to someone.
In this case it appears this was a planned event. Not, something that was random in a sense, because the offender seemed to know where she was.
This was a time when law enforcement, was not up on serial killers, people into molesting little kids, crime patterns, sharing information across jurisdictions, etc. They did not have the ability to run license plates through NCIC, or state motor vehicle records. We still don’t know if they traced the plates on that one vehicle.
So, all we have is suspicions of who might have done the dirty deed. We have no proven facts that a prosecutor could use to seek an indictment.
We need some facts that be proven. There might be a clue on the reports on this case, that was never followed up on. On review of many cold case investigators have come across someone who was mentioned and never interviewed or a piece of evidence that was never tested.
There is a law enforcement agency that is looking at Ted Bundy in connection to a murder of a young girl. He was supposedly in the area when she was murdered.
But, don’t stop asking questions, because it might jog someone to look at something they remember from that time period. Who knows they provide a clue to a culprit.
This was definitely someone from that area who knew the house and the family and that they had this very young female baby and that she was located in that particular room. This was not random! These demons, hide among us! They are called sociopaths! They do not have a conscience and what he did, does not bother him at all! He does not think or feel like normal people do. That is why he is a sociopath. And there are degrees of sociopaths….and I would say this guy is the worse on the meter because of the horrid description of what he did to this baby girl Donna. This guy if he had been caught, deserved the death penalty for what he did! It is so unjust that this animal was never caught for this rape, and torture murder of this baby girl it make people literally go crazy in their minds to think about it! I can see why that policeman felt so responsible and was losing it in the end of his life about this case! Very sad all the way around!
So if that man admitted to what he had done to little Donna Sue … why was he not charged with her murder? Were all of the details released to the public? And even , if it was, within his confession I am sure there was something he claimed in his detailed confession that would’ve been enough to prosecute is sorry ass! That poor baby, so innocent ,sleep in her bed and taken by a pathetic monster and brutally killed. To know she never received justice is heartbreaking! May her small soul RIHP …
Why is everyone bitching and complaining about what Noreen does to her website or what not? I know it’s been over 30 years but for Christ’s sake have some sympathy… having a child kidnapped and going through all the shit that she’s gone through cut her some slack…. have you ever had a child kidnapped or murdered and not knowing? Maybe that’s just the way she’s dealt with it all these years…… back the hell off… just let her be
She needs to back off. Her foundation no longer exists, yet she claims it does. Why don’t you educate yourself about what is really going on by reading and listening to the research performed by people outside of Noreen’s cult-like camp. She even accused her husband of burying Johnny in a crawl space at 1004 Marcourt. What a joke!
Why don’t you back the hell off and start getting with the new information. She should have never made the documentary or went after Sarah DiMeo, who has done a great job revealing what really happened.
Noreen has taken advantage of Johnny’s disappearance and I am not alone in thinking that.
Here is a link that will give you an idea about where the Johnny Gosch Foundation (Help Find Johnny Gosch, Inc.) stands with the IRS. I talked to a few people that work in the West Tower on Valley West Drive where the Foundation leased an expensive to rent space for several years. Every one of the people I spoke with stated the non-profit simply “disappeared.”
Now, get off your lethargic ass and do some frickin’ research.
Why don’t you stop lying? Yes, it’s true that the JG Foundation lost its tax-exempt status. But had you bothered to do any research, you would have seen that this happened in 2011 (https://i.imgur.com/jfsH8WT.png), meaning that the cessation of maintaining that status predated the documentary. Will you be retracting your claim that forms stopped being filed “after the documentary lines Noreen’s pockets”?
Interesting that you should say “The truth shall set you free”, as that was your username on Franklin Files. And while there, you made some pretty startling insinuations if not outright murder accusations against both Noreen and her then-husband LJG.
> […] Leonard has easy access to lime […]
> […] Lime slows decomposition, which reduces the stench considerably. Just throwing that out there.
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> I forgot to mention the Register reported the day after the disappearance that Leonard found the vacated newspaper wagon and delivered the full load of 37 Sunday editions of the Des Moines Register, instead of going back home to call police. I find that odd. […]
> […] The only conspiracy here is the one that involves both parents, regardless if they killed Johnny or simply conspired to make it happen. […]
Back then, you were quite suspicious of LJG. But I guess that as soon as he validated your virulent hatred of Noreen, he became a credible guy in your book. It doesn’t matter, I suppose, how many discrepancies there are in LJG’s statements. Meanwhile, as you call Noreen crazy for accusing LJG of burying Johnny underneath his house (an allegation that rests solely on LJG’s dubious word), you accused Noreen of burying Johnny’s body underneath her house:
> […] On Saturday October 20, 1982, Leonard leads a search team to search for Johnny in an area that resembles the psychic “perspective.” No body is found at the section of rural area between Hickman and University Avenue adjacent to Interstate 35/80.
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> But wait…I know of another area where all of the psychic predictions comes true. I lived here in 1982 and I am back again.
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> Care to venture where that area is, Noreen? Could it below the hill you live on in West Des Moines?
It is easy to distract you, George. While you attempt to place the blame on Leonard, you clearly miss the bigger picture.
The resolution of the case might be near, and it does not assign guilt to either John Sr. or Noreen. I’ve known this for a long time. I lived here when it went down. You did not. You were not even alive.
Just the facts. Johnny was taken by a local perp.
Son, you are way too young to understand what was going on in Des Moines back in the early 70s and throughout most of the 80s. Let the adults sort this out.
Your attacks on my age are laughable. No matter who points it out, a lie is a lie and you’ve told some big ones.
While I have highlighted many inconsistencies in LJG’s statements, I have never accused him of anything. The only one who has attempted to “place the blame on Leonard” is you, as anyone can tell by reading your statements posted on Franklin Files.
If, as you now maintain, the resolution of the case “does not assign guilt to either John Sr. or Noreen”, would you care to explain your statements expressing the exact opposite view? My favorite one is “The only conspiracy here is the one that involves both parents, regardless if they killed Johnny or simply conspired to make it happen”.
“I do not hate Noreen, George, but if I did, I would.” You do realize that your statement makes no sense at all. For you to call anyone else out on their theories or conclusions is complete bullshit. I don’t care if you grew up in the area, there really isn’t any concrete evidence with regards to this case and any theory is still plausible. As for Noreen, she’s either telling the truth, telling exaggerations or complete lies to keep the media and public interested, which I see no fault in, or is completely delusional and believes her own fabrications. Either way, she is the mother of a kidnapped child. I honestly don’t believe for one second that she or her ex-husband had anything to do with it. For the situation that she is in, you are a despicable person if you give her no grace.
Maybe he needed proof, that the job had been completed. Also, the part about the dog being found hung and butchered. The dog was purchased for protection. So, who was able to get close to the dog, that they could have hung it and then butcher it. The question, is whether an autopsy was done on the dog, to see if it was drugged.
You would think that the students from the high school know something. But, then I recently read a story about the murder of an active duty female sailor and her male companion. NCIS and the local police worked the case. The sailor was white and was her mother’s only child. She also loved being in the U.S. Navy
They identified and arrested the offenders, a bunch of males of color. One of them was found guilty of kidnapping and not guilty of murder because some juror did not want to put another person in color in prison. Well, the guilty verdict gave him 60 years to think about his actions. I wonder what that stupid juror would have thought if the victims had been their son or daughter.
So someone in Des Moines know something and is protecting them. I wonder if the othersstudent’s murder is connected to Pennye’s murder. The aumni of that school should stand up and demand answers from her community.
Apparently you know nothing about Des Moines, Ia. This is isnt New York, Chicago, Cakifornia where people are afraid to open their mouths about things like this. If we seen something we would talk, no matter what color of the victim. We care about our city and all the people here.
Eugene Gosch: Why not share what was said on this unavailable interview instead of eluding to it? You seem to be more anit-Noreen than you are pro-Johnny.rescue/search. Are you a relative? I have nothing to gain or lose by studying this case. Do you?
I’m not sure what interview you are talking about, but if you want to learn more about the case, spend some time reading the Des Moines Register articles on microfilm at the downtown branch of the Des Moines Library system.
Like Sarah DiMeo said, the case will not be solved until someone confesses or the remains of Johnny are found. Confession is the only option, as no one will ever find his remains.
As for Noreen, she has lied about the case since day one. Her version of events makes the Easter Bunny seem plausible, and I am not the only one who thinks this.
Sarah DiMeo, who has done a great job looking into Johnny’s case, is visiting the Des Moines area at the end of September. She plans to present at least three episodes from West Des Moines on Saturday September 23.
Check out the podcast at https://fadedout.libsyn.com/, if you are interested in learning more about the case outside of the “official story” told by Noreen Gosch.
Sarah has dealt with Noreen making inaccurate statements on the Johnny Gosch Foundation website. The IRS has not received the proper paperwork for the past three years that validates the existence of the Johnny Gosch Foundation.
Hence, there is no Johnny Gosch Foundation and Noreen’s post on the foundation’s website violates IRS code.
Interesting article. I was on the phone with my half brother, Robert. He was talking about my family in Madrid today.. My father Charles, passed away when I was a toddler. I never really knew that side of the family. I do remember a visit where I got head butted by a goat! I was looking on Goggle for Ruby’s Cantina. Came across this cold case in Iowa. After I hung up with Robert, I was scrolling down the article, only to find my Aunt Ruby’s obituary provided by Jody Ewing. I thank you for that. Also, I am very sorry for Ronette’s families loss. I pray for the capture and convection of her murder(s).
I don’t understand, this guy was married and had a place of his own. Also, his wife had died three weeks before. So, why was he at this residence? We some exlanation, why he was not living in his own home.Also, who was the owner of the residence? There was no bruising to support the story that the homeowner provided to police. So how did he die.
His death takes place three weeks after Brenda Dailey, dies after she was beaten and thrown a set of stairs. Makes one think that these cases might be connected. But, then she moved around a lot and maybe someone from her past caught up with her. There is no mention of forced entry of her residence. Also, who called 911 in her case.
Also it mentions that there was a suspect that was linked to Connie Marie Ruddy’s…. but I dont ever remember hearing or reading about a suspect been looking but cannot find a name
He was at this Kathy’s house I can’t remember her last name at this point? My Dad would’ve never fell downstairs and my dad was a good person, But stuck up for all of us kids I wasn’t the best kid out of all us but my dad definitely helped me before and after a lot of things.
I wonder how she supported herself and her two kids, while her husband was stationed in Fort Lewis. Also, was she renting the place where they lived. Also, she was in the process of getting a divorce from her husband. I wonder what the reason for the divorce was. Did she have a new boyfriend. I assume they did not live at Fort Lewis, due him not being eligible for off base housing.
Samething is happening with my brother in law brother’s case, he was murdered in Cedar Rapids. Beat to death and left by the side of the road a year ago. The Cedar Rapids cops have been horrible to deal with and they know who did it. Hell there have been other instances in that area of town where people have almost been beaten like that. To many unsolved cases in Iowa. I know how the procedure goes, but its frustrating and sad to see others having similar issues when trying to find answers in this state especially at the local level. We do feel your pain and I am sorry it’s been that long with no real answer.
So, I assume that the wife reported him missing. It makes me wonder who else were they involved with. Also, she was about 12 years younger then he was. It makes me wonder if she became involved with him. Also, what knowledge she has or had in regards to his disappearance.
She did not drive here. She was in someone else’s car. No Idea what happened to her friend. If i had known in advance that she would become a missing person I would have been more observant . If I had known the ball would be dropped by my mother snd LE I would have been more aggressive in my search.
Unfortunately we don’t plan this stuff honey… And it is definitely not your fault. She had gotten a bus ticket back tho right? Any idea if she had made it on that bus at all?
Betti, anything new on her case. It would be nice if the Waterloo authorities could check their records for the name of the woman who was being allegedly abused.
It could be that the ex-boyfriend or victim’s husband, held her responsible for the love of his life leaving the area.
If only we had more details, and the initial case report from Florida, or wherever she was reported missing.
Is there any other info given about Joseph? Did anyone ever get a hold of him? Just wondering if there could maybe be a a drawing or picture or perhaps even a description of him. ?
I have said it before, I don’t understand how anyone can take a life and just never feel any remorse for what they did! As one commenter said, who ever has done this will have no other choice than to answer to God in the end.
May this family one day have the answers to 2ho committed this awful crime!
Julie and Diane (Schofield) and Lisa and Valerie…..and so many others
your lives mattered!!!
see, people like me are still reading the comments too
and want justice
My family and i lived in that area at the time. We lived on 2nd Ave N. My son was 6 at the time. He, too, was hit by a truck that was leaving DJs bar on the corner. The guy didn’t stop… My sons back was hurt , thank God not badly! But his bike was ruined and he had just gotten it.. He was scared to tell me at the time cause he thought he did something wrong. His brother told us..
I often think of Josh ! And pray that someone would come forward! Someone must know something! For real! How in Gods name can someone live with this! Knowing they did this!
The second question is whether the motorcycle has been found. Maybe, somene wanted the motorcycle in the worst way, so they got rid of him. Maybe, he missed a turn and drove into a body of water. We have a few cases of people who have driven into various lakesm rivers and canals around the country.
in my neck of the woods, a woman was murdered by her husband. Her body was recovered from the trunk of her car. The car ws dumped into the Calumet Sag Canal, in the South Suburbs of Chicago. Her husband was a Mob lawyer.
It appears that he has connections to several places in Iowa, Delaware, and Florida. It appears his mother died in April of this year. Her obituary identifies Dennis and her husband Paul G. Addlesberger as preceding her in death.
Ironic that Eileen was sleeping way downstairs yet could hear odd noises coming from Charles but never heard the gunshot. Doors locked and no sign of breaking in says that the killer was already in the house. Eileen apparently had quite a few reasons to be mad at her husband for his infidelities. After all this time, and if no more evidence is found, I feel you should charge Eileen and go with circumstantial evidence. She’s already lived 34 years beyond the incident, and with no other possible leads, what does justice have to lose?
Sylvia, this is Carol. I only wish we had the influence and authority to get people charged. Jody has reams of information, and whenever brings information to her rather than to LE (wanting to remain anonymous), she diligently forwards to the authorities all new information. She cannot make them act on a tip, so it may appear that she has done nothing with a new lead, but Jody is a journalist and a blogger, not an officer of the law.
I want to add to Kim’s comments about John Wayne Gacy, that a number of investigators from one of the Chicago Police Department’s Youth Divison were following him. However, because of political pressure, were told to leave him alone.
Also, comments on 2nd City Cop Blog, mentions that some of these investigators were directed to remove any infomation that related to Gacy, from their follow-up reports on missing teenagers.
There are about four teeens, that he killed, have never been identified to this day.
At approximately 3:30 p.m., a search team discovers a cardboard box in a ditch under a stand of juniper trees about five mouths south of Norwalk.
* needs updated to five miles south of Norwalk.
Annie, remember that the details listed are estimates. It could be the guy. It would be interesting if they any way to get DNA, and run it through the systems.
I am too young to remember my cousin Bryan, but every since I was a little girl, I would go to the cemetery with my mom, his great aunt, and put flowers on his grave. My mom never wanted us to work at a gas station due to Bryan’s murder. This was not the first time he was robbed.
I can tell you marion manley was the salt of the earth kind of guy he was a good man and I also remember as a kid Patti Loy she was a pretty blonde girl who has a lot of brothers I had heard back then that her mom was very very abusive and had issues i remember her being religious also….George Pattis brother was in my class in school,this is so sad that this murder went down and not prosecuted when the whole town of Creston knew what happened,it also breaks my heart that Reggie Moorehouse and Corrine Perry never were brought to justice I often wonder if the county doesnt was the expense of prosecuting it??
Can anyone tell me any Elaine’s other family names? I learned about this case recently when my uncle made a passing comment about a family member whose murder had never been solved – and I’m curious how (and if) we are related. My Uncle’s last name is the same as Elaine’s. This is such a tragic story – and I’m curious to learn more about it.
Jami, who is your uncle? Elaine is my great aunt. I too wish that I knew more. I only recently found out about this. My grandfather never talked about it and it seems like a sensitive subject to much of my family. My dad remembers Elaine fairly well but was away at college at the time and doesn’t know any of the details.
Several months ago, I caught a program on obscure television channel about arson invesation. I was watching a friend’s foster daughter. They showed a house set on fire by a Florida fire department. There were two expert arson investugators there watching. After, the fire was out, they inspected and found signs that they connected with arson. Yet, they the fire was not arson.
Also, the ATF has this hugh facility, where they can reconstruct the fire. Their were certain assumptions on how certain fires can reach certain temperatures. Well, the experts were surprised when it reached that temperature faster then be expected.
So, the fire and circumstances around Jaymie’s death, need to be revisited. The newer forensic tools, may reveal something different about the point of origin.
We know that Texas, executed a guy for murders by arson. Yet, we now know, that it could not be arson, if investigated with today’s tools, and better knowledge of fires.
Ok. As a legitimate massage therapist I take offense that it is assumed that masseuse equals sex worker. I realize this profession was a little more lax back then, but let’s not assume she was anything but legitimate unless the article or somebody who actually knew her confirms that. I feel like that would be more respectful to her as the victim as well.
Her sister confirmed in an article that Diane was “a masseuse, and not the kind that works the kinks out”. Diane was found guilty of a weapons possession charge and was ordered by the court “not to work as a massuse”, implicating that the court was aware she was involved in some shady business practices.
I wonder if someone who may have worked for him, may have had a beef. The other thought was maybe someone did not want him the race of office. Maybe, he was not part of the right crowd. Like here in Illinois, the elected officials don’t go to washroom with out permission of Michael Madigan.
Also there is no mnetion of the caliber of the weapon used. I wonder if they still have the the bullet. If it was in decent shape they could run it through AFIS.
Towards the end of the Cold Justice video, the drunk guy trying to get into the car is Bret.
Bret is Rocky’s dad, Terri’s first child.
Bret had a great paying job in the Kansas City area, while her 2 children were growing fatherless. Terri never took him to court or forced him to pay child support. Which seemed odd.
Jump forward to 2013, Terri finds out he’s homeless drunk, living behind a grocery store.
He’s lost his KC wife and children, his company went bankrupt and he had nothing.
Terri was able to leave a note and find Bret again.
The guy was a monster drunk and abuser, but Terri let it go on until she was arrested.
This guy seemed to have spell on her, and the whole thing seemed odd.
Well they do say that love can be blind. It defies logic many times especially when a woman stays with a drunk & abuser. I’ve seen many people go through this and it always is crazy why they stay. Like you said maybe he had some sort of spell on her. Well all you can hope for is woman in that predicament figure out how to get away and stay away. However many don’t.
Jody, I think the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation needs to look at Ricki C. Hess, 52, as of 2017. He supposedly had two previous arrests involving children. He has lived in Evansdale and other towns in that general area.
He is also listed as a Missing Person from North Liberty, Iowa, according to the Iowa Dept. Of Public Safety. He is considered endangered/physical, for some unknown reason.
I am not saying he was involved, but he has connections to the area.
We have many cases over the years that have never been handld properly considering all the available forensic tools. But, we have missing person’s cases, where the agency tossed the reports or never took a report. So, law enforcement has a black eye in many of these cases.
However, the FBI should have been involved from the beginning. She was last seen in Illinois, and was found murdered in Missouri. They hopefully would have processed the vehicle and the crime scene.
I spent four years in the U.S. Navy, most of it on a submarine. We normally hung out together. We watched each other’s back, and made sure we got back. Also, there is a missing young man, who was staying in Dubuque, but went drinking with a friend in East Dubuque, and got ripped off. He was thrown out, without his jacket in the cold. A police officer from East Dubuque, stopped him, but let him wander off. His remains were found in the river, a few months later.
I guess it was to hard to drive him across the bridge to his hotel. He could have driven him across the bridge and passed him off to a Dubuque officer. I hope it does not say Serve & Protect on their squad cars in East Dubuque. Maybe, the authorities in Dubuque, don’t trust the police in East Dubuque. They might be good friends with these brothers. We could ask the FBI, but then they are busy, looking for the colluding Russians. They also are protecting those who took money from Putin & friends to control 20% of American unranium.
I feel for his family. But, still stick with my concerns about him being allowed to wander by himself, especially after dark. I would refer you to the Grimes sisters, whose disappearance and deaths have never been solved. Also the Petersen & Schusslers, kidnapping and murder, which took almost 40 years to solve. These cases took place in Chicago, in 1950’s. We did not have cell phones.
I was not allowed out to wander the neighborhood, even while in high school. I wandered around a bit by myself, in the U.S. Navy. But, we normally hung together to look after each other, so nothing happened to each other. But, that was the way it was on a submarine.
i dont think thats the problem. he was autisitic and as a parent of an autistic child they seem to gravitate towards water. someone should of been watching him more. i dont let my autistic child wander my neighborhood.
My heart is broken for this family. My son is 20 and on the autism spectrum and each and every day I worry about his safety and well being. He is a wanderer and our years have been filled with frustration and anxiety while trying to be vigilant as possible. Parents are only humans trying to do the best we can. Please don’t be so quick to judge until you have walked in our shoes. From a mom with a son with autism.
I remember Marie “Lisa” Peak, her tragic death, and when she was found September 7, 1976. I was a Freshman at Wartburg College in Waverly, Iowa in 1976 living in Hebron Dorm. I will never forget.
I am a Wartburg alum and knew Lisa – we were both from the same hometown as well as at Wartburg at the same time. I will never forget her or that tragic day,
and hearing what had happened. I continue to hope and pray that someday, somehow, her case will be solved.
Don, I see your frustration that this case has not been solved. But, at the time, crime scenes were not prcessed like we expect to be handled. Also, I assume this was an isolated area. It is frustrating to hear that the authorities may have lost reports, evidence, and maybe did a lousy incomplete autopsy.
It bothers me that Roger heard this guy muttering stuff in regards to the case, and never passed it along to authorities. He posts it here. Maybe, he ecpects Jody, to pass it along. So Don, if you have an investigative background go for it. But in regards too the flowers at the crime scene, remember someone would place flowers or something at the grave of Edgar Allen Poe. He also wrote the 1st crime novel.
I do agree that there are not enough details posted on some of these cases. Some of them state that there the authorites are seeking the public’s help. But, they don’t provideany details.
A few years ago, there were several burglaries in the area, wher I live. One if them was attempted a house across a busy street from my house. The alarm system scared them off. This was during the winter, and I was outside cleaning up snow neary every other day.
I saw the local police patrolling the area. None of them, stopped and asked me if I had seen anything suspicious. I was talking to the mailman about it. He told me that the policewere looking for a brown PT Cruiser with three individuals. I had to hear this from the mailman. It pissed me off, as I am a former federal police officer and detective.
This was a good friend of mine n I really wish they would reopen this case n try to solve it,I have wondered why this was never looked into again .I miss her dearly
Hi there. I stumbled across this article and found myself unable to stop thinking about it. Some things in the comments stood out to me. I have a question, not necessarily about Maureen, but victims like her in general. How often do you suppose people post on these sites claiming to be someone else? I think that would be torture for the family. I’m sorry you’ve had to endure this. Also, often times a murderer will revisit the site of a crime. These websites are obviously necessary and provide valuable resources for capturing those involved. However, I wonder if culprits of a crime ever visit these sites as a means of revisiting the crime, trying to throw an investigation off track, or some other sick purpose. In which case, have those who have commented ever had their identities and/or motivations confirmed. I realize I’m making a very intense suggestion here and apologize if I’ve overstepped any line. However, I think I speak for everybody here, it’s never a waste to exhaust every Avenue.
Margaret, some killers might revisit the scene of the crime. However, at that time period stuff was not well know.
The criminal profiling we know about today, was not something known to LE. I suggest reading the book ‘Mindhunter’ by John Douglas.
I would think the crime scene today, would be handled much better then it was. Also, hopefully the clothing being in a disarray, or whether she had shoes on or not would be better defined.
I would hope that the initial officer and others who arrived at the scene, properly documented the condition of the body, clothing, that they observed. It might differ from what the two boys seem to remember.
It’s important for initial officer to document what he or she observed upon arrival. The same for the investigators, when they arrive.
I wonder if pictures were ever taken, as we would expect today.
But, again thanks for your questions. It might trigger something someone to remember that might provide a clue.
Retired police capt. John Schweer was murdered in Council Bluffs on July 22, 1977. Two Omaha Ne males, Terry Harrington & Curtis McGhee, were convicted of this crime and sentenced to life based on the testimony of two other people (Kevin Hughes & a Miss. Pride, who happened to be dating each other.) After 25yrs of fighting for his innocence the case went all the way to the US Supreme Court. Before the big 12 in DC laid down their decision Council Bluffs reached a plea agreement with Harrington and McGhee and the were released. A mistrial was declared.
Doesn’t this make Schweer’s case unsolved?
There are a number of cases of adults, who have disappeared along with vehicles. Also, their vehicles were never found. There are a few cases where they were found years later, by draining a pond. A woman a year ago or more disappeared from a veterans post. Her, vehicle with her remains were found after a farmer found part of a car sticking out of a pond on his property. She probably missed a turn in the dark and drove into the pond and drowned.
However, Helen, appears to have a medical condition that bothered her emotionally, and it could have caused an onset of amnesia. I wonder if authorities ever checked with the National Insurance Crime Bureau, to see if their was any activity on the car’s VIN.
The problem in bodies of water, is a search tool that is easier to use and gives an indcation that something is there. There are only a few agencies that will spend the money to bring in someone with a boat equipped with side scanning sonar.
Alvin Beets Jr. just died. The obit says that Alvernia Beets Franklin is still alive. It reads:
Alvin R. ‘Stone’ Beets Jr.
August 21, 1949 – July 12, 2018
Alvin R. “Stone” Beets Jr., 68, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, passed away Thursday, July 12, 2018, at Mercy Medical Center, Cedar Rapids.
Services will be 11 a.m. Saturday, July 21, 2018, at Gospel Tabernacle Church, Cedar Rapids. Pastor Jackie Horton and Pastor Anthony Smith will officiate. Inurnment will be at a later date at Linwood Cemetery, Cedar Rapids.
Alvin was born Aug. 21, 1949, in Kokomo, Indiana, the son of Alvin R. Beets Sr. and Lucy Margaret (Young) Snow. He graduated from Kokomo High School and served in the U.S. Army during the Vietnam War. He married Jacquelynn Ballew on Oct. 1, 1994, in Cedar Rapids.
Alvin was a syrup system operator at Quaker Oats for 33 years before he retired. He loved going out to eat, playing golf, watching westerns and Judge Judy. His quick wit and sassy sense of humor always got a lot of laughs. Alvin loved spending time with his children, grandchildren and extended family and close friends.
Alvin is survived by his wife and companion of 38 years, Jacquelynn, Cedar Rapids; children, Reba, Daylene, (Keever), of Fort Worth, Texas, Luther, Lester “G”, Paris, LaRhonda (Dillion), Isaiah (Ranee); 15 grandchildren; five great-grandchildren; sisters, Carolyn S. Bell, Kokomo, Indiana, and Rose Merry Thomas, Iowa City; brothers, Richard R. Beets and Oscar Snow Jr., both of Kokomo; a special aunt, Alvernia Franklin “Aunt Berna”; and lots of special nieces, nephews and cousins.
He was preceded in death by his father, Alvin R. Beets Sr.; mother, Lucy Margaret (Young) Snow; son, Rolondo; daughter, Jacqueline (Johnny).
I found a newspaper article from 1967 showing he and Janis Louise Fish, age 18 of Story City, had applied for a marriage license.
I found other newspaper articles. In 1955 he was in a piano recital. He was admitted to hospital in Story City in 1962. He won half a beef in a raffle in 1968. He had drunk driving convictions in 1966 and 1968, and driving after revocation in 1964 and again in 1968. He had a public intox in 1970, and then nothing in the papers after that.
Anon, thanks for the information from the newspapers. It shows he had a drinking problem, which could have led to medical problems down the road. I will have to run him through Ancestry and see if they have anything more on family.
Also, Anon, you do some great detailed research, from some of your comments on ther cases. You would make a great investigator digging for the facts, and other material.
Anon, I checked Mr. Westwick on-line and found that according to the The Charley Project Blog, he had epilepsy, and lived with his parents.
Ancestry, does not show much, however, it has two Find A Grave entries for him.. One shows a picture of the stone in Rose Grove Cemetery, in Williams, Iowa, with a date of birth of October 26, 1945. Also they have the date he was last seen on it. The second entry does not have a picture, but mentions the 1944 year of birth. There is no body.
Also, there is an entry from the Iowa Consecutive Register of Convicts 1867-1970. It shows he was sentenced to Anamosa Men’s Reformatory, for one year on June 3, 1965. He arrived there on June 9, 1966. He was released on February 19, 1967. The prison record shows his date of birth as October 26, 1944.
I did not find any marriage record entry for him. However, there is ton of stuff on Ancestry. There is a lot of stuff not on there. Since, he was born in 1944, there would be no census record. There was no address record entries for him. Which seemed odd.
I tried to search Janis L. Fish, but did not have her age, or year of birth.
So, we are back to square one. It would be interesting if we had more details, on where he was last seen.
Another murder should be on Story County’s list. In November, 1965, 18 Month Old Kenneth Eugene Clapp was murdered in the home of Mr. and Mrs. Ronald E. Quillen of rural Story City. The newspaper article reads:
No Charges in Death of Baby NEVADA—Story County officials
have decided no charges will be filed in connection with
the death of Kevin Clapp, 18 months, son of Mr. and Mrs.
Harold Clapp of Des Moines.
The child died early Thursday morning at Blank Memorial
Hospital in Des Moines of head injuries. He was being cared
for by Mr. and Mrs. Ronald E. Quillen of rural Story City.
The Polk County medical examiner’s office said an autopsy
showed the child died of brain damage and noted the body also
had a number of bruises.
Ambulance attendants had been told the baby fell from a high chair.
Strange how kids never die from falls from high chairs in this day and age but we instead prosecute their caretakers for homicide…
There is also the murder of Deborah Dawn Sadler of Waterloo, age 17 months, whose head was bashed in back in 1965. Of course the authorities had their heads in the sand and pretended it was an accident. Funny how kids no longer die from falls from chairs.
Here is the story from the Waterloo Daily Courier (Waterloo, Iowa), 2 December 1965, pg 1, 2:
Child’s Death is Probed
Police Thursday afternoon continued their investigation of the death of a 17-month-old girl.
Deborah Dawn Sadler, of 1009 Bluff St., died at 7:10 p.m. Wednesday at Allen Memorial Hospital.
According to Dr. Paul T. O’Keefe, county medical examiner, the girl died of a massive brain hemorrhage which could have been caused by a fall or a blow on the head.
Dr. O’Keefe said he tentatively has ruled the death as accidental.
Says Fell from Chair
Police said the girl’s mother, Mrs. Lorraine Sadler, told them the baby fell from a chair Wednesday morning and hit her head.
She said the baby was unconscious after the fall and that she took her to the hospital.
Police, who said Thursday morning they had no evidence of foul play, intended to continue their investigation during the afternoon.
There are no other children in the family.
Services Friday
Funeral services for Deborah are planned at 2 p.m. Friday at Bethel United Presbyterian church. The Rev. Earl D. McCrae, pastor, will officiate.
The casket, which will be taken from the Kearns-Dykeman Chapel to the church at 12:30 p.m., will not be opened at any time.
Born in Waterloo
The girl was born here July 9, 1964, daughter of Charles and Lorraine Spiering Sadler.
Surviving besides the parents are the maternal grandparents, Dr. and Mrs. Robert C. Spiering, 911 W. 2nd St.; the maternal great-grandmothers, Mrs. Claire Lowe, Casper, Wyo., and Mrs. Matilda Kolashefsky, Madison, S.D., and the paternal great-grandparents, Mr. and Mrs. Irving Sadler, Jacksonville, Wis.
Well, if you are going to kill or neglect your baby, having a Doctor as your father may certainly help getting some strings pulled with the ME. Especially in a small rural city.
Seven years with no publicly known advancements in this case makes me ill. What happened to Kay and Bill broke my heart from its beginning 7 years ago and still does. I cannot imagine Kay’s terror and that horror remains because my age and gender are so similar. I have had this case on Google email alerts for years so that I stayed updated on developments.
The long silence on this case is frustrating because we don’t know if stems from the beginnings of investigative policy to not share information, or if it is from a total lack of leads. Then there is a trend that my mind is conflicted about: our society’s lack of regard for the elderly. As an example, I was angered during this last winter’s flu epidemic that states and the CDC did not track hospitalizations and death rates among the elderly. My mind struggles with the seeming societal logic of that and a personal belief in each person’s value regardless of age. The length of time Bill and Kay’s family waited for autopsy results was among the initial aspects of this case that was appalling to me.
I have tried on several occasions to bring some light on this case; most recently with a YouTube channel that focuses on cold cases. That channel has 354,000 subscribers, but it again seems to not see merit in Kay and Bill’s case.
To the family, and those who loved Kay and Bill, my heart and prayers remain with you.
Helen you have no idea how much your statement means to me.. Thank you from me and my family for remembering and keeping them alive . Closure is all we ask for. People keeping this case alive instead of dead with thier file. From the bottom
of my heart thank you!!
Melonie. Wood
It seems odd, that she does not have dementia, but without medication, she becomes confused and depressed. I wonder why she was in a nursing home. Also, where did she live prior to being admitted. Also, how far away is the Iowa River, from where the nursing home is.
Was, there any strange or odd behavior before she disappeared. She could have amnesia, and not have recgnized the nursing home. It might have seemrd strange to her, and fled before getting in trouble.
I was wondering how far away is the Iowa River, either from the town, or the nursing home. Also, what is the reputation of the home. Also, what amount f searching was done at the time. Also, the alias last names, are a concern, unless they are her maiden name, and she was married and then divorced.
She could have been found, but being confused about her identity. A woman missing from Sullivan County, in New York for a bunch of years was found alive in a Lowell, Mass, nursing home.
it appears that the remains of a woman, that matched her description were found by NYSP. They contacted the sheriff’s police. They dug up their case file, and rechecked her SSN, and found a woman in the nursing home, with a different name but the same SSN.
They visited her and showed the picture in their files and recognized herself. So, how many other cases out there could be cleared by the search of SS records.
I searched Peggy Ann Cottrell on Ancestry. I found that she was born Peggy Ann Rowen in Union Township, Iowa in Hardin County. She was Peggy Ann Rowen, on June 1951, then Peggy Ann Dickenson, July 1955, and Peggy Ann Cottrell, on September 1970, according to her Social Security Application and Claims.
I did not find any records of any marriages, or divorces. She had an older brother Larry J. Rowen, and two younger sisters, Marjorie Mae Rowen and Ruth Carola Rowen.
There was an address of 840 11th Street, in Des Moines, Iowa, in 1954, for a Peggy A. Rowen. Also, an address in 1993 of 321 7th Street, West Des Moines, Iowa. No age of year of birth was connected to this last address.
However, there was an entry for a Peggy & Roy Dickenson, of 2017 Grant, in Davenport, Iowa. This appears to be a business address in 1960. Not sure if this is her.
She might have lived in Des Moines and West Des Moines, while working a the IVH according to Rosemary.
Theresa, I agree with your question about the caliber of the weapon. It appears the dogs did not pick up the odor of someone in the area. Also, about the dogs, one comes in the front and the other goes to the back door. I wonder if they normally came in at that time.
The information on the home is somewhat confusing. They owned the farm for years. Yet, they just purchased the house and only had lived there a month. So where did they live before this house.
I agree someone might have been upset at him, in regards to his involvement in the soil or water commissions.
We have no information to show if he had any family. Did, he ride his motorycle a lot. If so, did he have a certain area, who route he took. Also, was his cell phone ever pinged by law enforcement. Also, did they review his phone records to see who he normally talked to.
I think the jury and Mitchell’s attorney owes her family an apology. Also, that judge that lowered his bail, so that his mother could bail him out, is responsible for him being out on the street. She, would still be alive, and her son would be still be alive.
If she was a family member, I would sue Mitchell’s attorney, for defamation of her character. He accused of being involved in drug activity, yet he provides no proof, or evidence to back it up.
He must be proud of himself, letting a career criminal get away of murder. At least the feds got involved.
It makes me wonder, if the offender knew that Mr. Bates was working that night. He wasn’t supposed to work that night. So, if this was connected with the confrontation, then how would know Bates was working.
Also, was the confrontation caught on tape. Also, when did this confrontation take place in relation to the shooting. Also, he mentions it to a family member, but not the management.
It would be interesting to see if their are any people who lived in the area, who have caused problems at the store over the years. Also, were their any complaints made to corporate about this partcular store. If, yes, these people need to be interviewed, who knows they might identify a person of interest.
UPDATE:
Quoting Luke Nozicka and Stephen Gruber-Miller, Des Moines Register Published 4:11 p.m. CT Aug. 16, 2018 | Updated 4:33 p.m. CT Aug. 16, 2018
Authorities announced at a news conference that the remains were spotted by kayakers in Wolf Creek, which flows through La Porte City.
La Porte City Police Chief Chris Brecher said it could take “up to a couple weeks” to get DNA results from the remains that were found in rural La Porte City. He declined to give the exact area.
When asked whether the remains could be those of Wilson, Brecher said: “With what we have found it’s consistent of what we’re looking for.”
“We’re not in a position right now to make comment on any possibility of foul play,” Brecher said.
Since the remains were found, authorities have been working to clear the area to hopefully locate more definitive evidence.
… In previous news conferences, investigators indicated they found no information to suggest a crime was committed in Wilson’s disappearance, though police had not ruled out the possibility of an abduction.
… In the months after Wilson’s disappearance, authorities echoed words officials told the public since the beginning: “We can’t rule anything out.”
Andrea, I agree with your comments, especially if has the intellectual level of a 9 year old. As a kid, I had to be home when it got dark. Yet, with his background his family lets him wander off at 9 p.m.
Someone in his family should have said no or went with him. I have problems with these cases. He could have been taken by someone, who could manipulate him, for their own perverted needs
He is a diabetic and disabled. Yet, he was out drinking with a supposed fishing buddy. I am missing something. He could have a problems mixing alcohol and his medications. This could cause serious problems, which could have led to him doing wandering off.
Is there a way to get Mikey’s real name. Then we send him for an extended vacation in Gitmo. Then we can tell his new roomates, that he disrespected their religion and the Koran. He will then be willing to tell the truth.
A few nights ago, I came across a history of the Ohio Fish Market. It was an interesting story. However, the article mentioned that three homicides took place at the place. One of victims was identified as Johnny Joe Shields. It did not provide any details on how he supposedly died. Yet, the details appear to show that Mr. Shields, disapppeared from home, and not from work.
Also, someone with the same last name was born in Nebraska in 1938, and lived in Carter Lake, also in Bettendorf, Iowa, and Port Byron, Illinois. He died in Carter Lake, sometime after his namesake disappeared. I wonder if this was his father. Since, he was living with his mother.
I hate to ask the question. But how was Harlan killed. Was he stabbed, shot, strangled, run over by a car, truck, bus or train.
It makes me wonder, are they sure he us dead. It appears from this small bit of information, that they never conducted an investigation.
It appears they took someone’s word that he was dead and that someone killed him. Case closed.
They want the public’s to do the job, that it appears didn,t do. I wonder how they determined he was slain. There is no mention of an autopsy, to back up the statement, he was slain.
Is the work of a modern day police department in the State of Iowa. If this is the kind of work rhey do. I would ask for my tax money back.
Can you please tell me where the article is that talks about the circumstances of his death. I notice you have more information than I am reading here. Thank you!
I am somewhat confused about this case. Ms. Payano is living in a house with Mr. Burgs, but her boyfriend is Ralph Jordan, unknown age. Where did he live in relation to the crime scene.
Also, the house was owned by Mr. Quinn’s father. He supposedly had rented the place out to Jordan’s ex-wife. It makes me wonder when she lived there before the crime took place. Then her boyfriend Ralph has go to jail in California for unspecified crimes.
He left L.A. supposedly it was to fast paced. Well, maybe some of former friends might have been looking for him. Also, authorities recovered two weapons and ammo from a car with California license plates. Who did the car belong to.
I like the part, that he developed some names of possible suspects in his shooting. However, they are in prison for other crimes. Well, what were these other crimes, Also, did he know if these crimes involve the use of weapons.
Also, what type of truck did he have that attracted them. Was the truck registered to him, or did have dealer plates, like some vehicles used by salesmen by car dealers here in Illinois.
No money budgeted for cold cases, so criminals roam free. That’s worse than corporations not funding R&D (Research and Development), then having no new tech to bring to the table when it’s time to bid on a contract. The money wasted on so many pork-barrel projects or more weapons of mass destruction could be dedicated to apprehending murderers lurking in our small towns and cities, killing and getting away with murder.
We need new blood in political offices!
I was wondering if their any traumatic events that took place in his family or friends before he disappeared.
I wonder if was dealing with any type of stress connected with his job. Also, were there any noticeable changes in his demearnor in the days before he disappeared.
Why did someone mention Julie Anne DaBillo in the thread below? Who is she and what does she have to do with this case? Who is the crazy old black prostitute lady around these parts in Iowa? Somebody knows.
Hmmm, I don’t know why Jennifer mentioned my name here. Maybe she thought it would tag me and I’d read all this? I knew Angie way back back and also were in the Facility together. She said I looked like her Mom but Angie and I were about the same age but seeing the photo here of her Mom, I understand why she said that. Anyway, she was an incredibly funny and sweet girl that had a wild spirit and beautiful singing voice. I think of her every year that she’s gone. Her loss to the people who knew her is huge and I doubt I’ll ever meet another like her..
Not a lot of investigative details for some reason. I guess the police don’t have or found anything of use. I guess he was loved by the whole world.
We don’t know if he worked, was extremely wealthy. Was he was married or divorced. I guess they closed the case, since he is deceased.
Maybe, the police are holding back some details to prevent someone claiming they killed him, while not being involved. I guess after 46 years you have to prevent that from happening.
Divorce announcement April 5, 1968 from Marilyn Jean McConnell, but they were still married at the time of his death (hmmm). They had no children. He died Wed., July 7, not on the same day as the fire. He was a welder at Fruehauf Trailer. His father lived in West Virginia. I posted the July 9, 1971 DM Tribune story on FindAGrave.
Aug. 3, 1968, TRIB, he or his father, also Ross, held at gunpoint in a robbery at the Hotel Kirkwood.
He went to Phillips Elem. School.
Sept. 25, 1957 TRIB, found innocent of an OWI south of Indianola.
July 23, 1969, TRIB, while welding at Fruehauf, gasoline fumes caused a fire.
Dec. 3, 1952, TRIB, attacked his former father-in-law with an axe, accused him of causing the divorce from Enid Eleanor, the daughter of C C Downey, paroled from a year at Anamosa.
His parents divorced in 1935, when he was 12.
His father was from Mexico & advertised he sold the ‘best hot tamales this side of Mexico’ in 1941.
Patricia, thanks for the information. I wonder if he suffered from what we now call PTSD. It appears that he was married and divorced twice,
The last set of details provide some interesting details. However, nothing stands out as pointing to someone or a reason, for his being attacked in a way. It would be nice to know if law enforcement has any information in regards to the alleged threat, or what it was related to.
Also, I wonder if any of his co-workers were ever interviewed. The threat could have been work related, maybe a labor/management issues. We know that Organized Crime was involved with many labor unions years ago.
Patricia, thanks so much for sharing the photos & newspaper articles. I’ve updated Ross’s page to reflect the additional info about his case.
Patrick, these case summary pages are always works in progress. When the Des Moines PD first sent me their list of unsolved homicides a decade ago (included the case #, victim’s name, date of crime and location), it was important to me to get the victims’ names added to the website so they were at least “acknowledged” as being unsolved cases. The DMPD’s list, like other LE agencies, includes just the basics, and the date is always the date the crime took place.
There are far more publicly available newspaper archives available today than back when we launched in 2005 (those are checked when anniversary dates roll around as we continually add new cases), but just because a case here may not include every answer to every conceivable question one might ask (there are always more questions than answers) it by no means indicates that investigators didn’t do their job(s).
One of the primary reasons cases don’t get solved is because witnesses or those with knowledge about a crime refuse to cooperate with investigators. “We’re not going to do your job for you,” John Q. Public says, oblivious to the fact that “interviewing witnesses and getting those statements” is part of any investigators’ “job” and often plays a tremendous role in whether a case gets solved or goes cold.
But please, do not confuse the amount of details on any given case summary here with how hard the respective investigators worked the case.
What about Mary Lou Cooper August 8th 1978? Obviously a cold case. I gave the Polk county sheriff’s office my DNA to rule out my father who was a suspect over 2 years ago and no results yet and the case is not listed. Her and her children deserve justice.
What a tragedy. Her son gets murdered and then his mother takes her life. I wonder if the break in was tied to his murder. Burglars will break into a home when the family is attending the funeral. But this break in takes place within a short time after his body is found.
Also, the victim is stabbed and dragged out of the apartment, and his roommate hears nothing. Did someone else share that room prior to the victim. There was a reason for his murder, or the wrong guy ws murdered.
I like that authorities have no motive for his murder, but his wallet is missing. It could be that he was killed for his wallet. Also, did he normally hang out at this restaurant. How much money did he have in his wallet.
He had a skull fracture. The other question was their any sign of a struggle. Also, what side of the head. This case needs to be relooked at with today’s investigative standards
It appears that we have identified several persons of interest in these Des Moines disappearances. It appears no one connected the dots, but then crime pattern analysis was not as advvsanced as it should have been.
I think the feds should be looking at these cases, instead of spying on political candidates that were running against the Clinton’s. They could interview the circulation manager and do a work up on Mr Matice.
I agree that Mr. Matice would not have geen cured of his problem, after one arrest.
I did some searching on Mr. Roger Dean Matice, and found the newspaper articles and press release for his arrest in 2013.
What appears interesting is that he filed a federal law suit against an unnamed defendant in U.S. District Court in the Northern District of Iowa, Cedar Rapids Division in April 2017. It was dismissed in August 2017.
The other nice part is that he is supposedly living in Westmont, Illinois. Westmont is located, n the Western suburbs of Chicago. It’s about a 40 to 50 minute drive from me.
I did not find anything to show that he was convicted for the child pornography charge.
Marc Allen is not connected with Gosch and Martin, unless you consider Sam Soda. Everything that happened in Des Moines was perpetrated by locals, not Matice or anyone from Omaha, including Bonacci.
Wrong, soda lived right behind Marc and was hired by mattice for all three who was paid by reza kargar dezah, who lived and worked within blocks of the Gosch house and Johnny had been picked out in person by reza and the police have always known all of this.
The other dstion who is the father of her three kids. Also, who was watching them while she was off visiting her family in Florida. She should have brought them wirh her to visit her family. Since, her property was tossed from where ever she was living and they were thrown in foster care.
Merlyn, if I had the time to dig through law enforcement records, it might produce some names to research. I used to dig through government property records while working as a detective at a VA hospital in Chicago. This was the different deartments could not find equipment during their annual inventory. Our medical research service was the worst, but kept great records.
The other question was this visit to Florida planned in advance. Did her family know she was coming. Also, you would think that she talked with her family and they would be in the loop on some of her supposed friends.
Also, how did she end up in Waterloo, Iowa. Her family should have gotten her to move to Florida, so that she be closer to them. I guess we need to know more details on the family dynamics. Especially in Waterloo.
I will try to answer your questions Patrick and Merlyn. 1. We did not know that she was on her way here. 2. The girl she brought here was unknown to us since she was living in Iowa. 3. I never saw the car that she came down in. She stopped here to borrow money for a bus ticket back to Iowa. If she got on a bus we so not know. She was missing more then 10 days before we knew she didn’t make it back to Waterloo. 4. Viola did not have a car. 5. We had no idea whose car or who the friend she was helping name.
6.The fathers of the children were not involved in the kids lives. The state of Iowa tried to find the father and could not. 7. Waterloo police never investigated nor did the state of Iowa. 8. When we went to Iowa to get the kids we went to where she was living at the time she disappeared and noone was around to give us info. It took over 3 months for the state of Iowa to allow us to pick up her children There is so much more. The Daytona Beach police could case unit (1 guy) has been working with me to find the original police report and who knows maybe something will come of it. Any more questions? I am taking care of my one and 6 year old grandchildren so sometimes it takes a while to answer.
Also Patrick my sister liked living in Waterloo. She was 28 years old. Also I have tried all the agency’s and only one ever had any info. Most told me the records no longer existed. Waterloo pd are the only one that ever found anything and that took a while but they did it.
Betti, thanks for the updated information. So, maybe we will have to see if the Waterloo Police will let someone dig through their records. I would think that this supposed friend who had an abusive boyfriend or husband would have called the police on him.
That information might be actually found in dispatch records for say several months up to a year before the trip. The information would provide a name of the complainant and possibly a name of the abuser. It might only provide an address. This woman most likely has family in the area.
The other thought, would be to contact the local media and see if they would run a story about your sisters disappearance. Then they would ask anyone who might know who the person who she traveled with. They would be asked to call someone in the family or post something to a Facebook page.
I did a little research on Ancestry, and found four different family trees, two of them show a date of birth of April 22, 1938 and two of them with April 22, 1937. I found that his father married his mother on June 17, 1937, according to the Iowa State Department f Health record which was signed by the pastor of St, Mary’s Church, in Dubuque. A 1940 Census record shows him as being 2, when it was enumerated on May 13, 1940.
Also, he served in the U.S. Air Force sometime around 1959. Also his father Anthony Hubert Hoerstman died on October 19, 1981. His mother passd away a few years earlier. Also, Theodore had a brother William Patrick Hoerstman, who was born in 1945. He died in 2017. Their was a reference to him on a Family Tree, but no name was mentioned.
So, I wonder if he was still grieving his father’s death. One Family Tree pisting showed a number of pictures. None of them had his brother in them. It could have been the age difference. He would have been sx years older.
I think the authorities need to verify his date of birth. But, then he considered deceased, so why would the Dubuque Police Department make the effort. It would be interesting to find out what his disability was.
I wonder what his relationship was with his younger brother. I found it interesting that his brother was not mentioned in any time lines listed on the four family trees that were posted on Ancestry.
Maybe, I might call NamUs and pass it along to them about the age situation.
I agree with anon. Did L.E investigate Curtis Padgett indepth? Like search his car for evidence of foul play towards Erin? What clothes was Curtis wearing at the time and did he have any scratches or cuts on him around that time? What about Erin’s friend Brit, that Curtis supposedly dropped Erin off at. Did Brit ever come forward to confirm or deny such events took place? Did they actually have plans and either party backed out? I wish L.E would release more info, without jeopardizing the case.
Why wouldn’t the local or state question the father (the last person to see him)? Seems they really bungled this case. I wonder if Ian was able to contact his father. I hope Ian is okay. Ian, please give us an update.
I get emails regarding updates. Yeah, we’re definitely finding that the locals do not want us here.
From two large male vigilantes coming into our back yard to bitch about something we later learned waany illegal (burning sticks) to a couple two houses down doing the same thing (complaining about us shooting off parachute fireworks for our child) again, later learned it’s not illegal in town.
Apparently, it’s just illegal for us to do it.
Then during ragbrai that same couple refused to walk on the sidewalk in our front yard. I guess they would rather walk in the wet grass 🤷🏼♀️ When I told them they could walk on the sidewalk they both just scowled at us. This is THE most unfriendly place I’ve ever lived.
And whenever I do try to talk to the locals they ask where we live and apparently there is a whole story about the couple that used to live here.
It’s like, all they have to do is talk shit about everyone 🤦♀️
And they all did their rude, uncalled for bullshit in the presence of our child. Do they have no conscience, social skills, filter, etc etc? 🙄
They’re not all bad…
Our neighbor is like our family. She’s so sweet, classy, and educated and doesn’t fit in-kind of like us.
i mean, our daughter isn’t even going to the Keota school this year. We’ve opted to drive her to Kalona every day instead.
We’re outcasts here and we’re both fed up.
We didn’t pay much for the house so we won’t be out much if we sell at a loss.
Sorry, these people are too weird for me.
We’re getting out of here!! 🙂
I lived in Cresco, Iowa and was made to feel like we were unwelcome. Nobody but our neighbors across the road welcomed us. I hated living there and when we moved to my hometown in SD, I swore I would say hello to any stranger. People who were to do remodeling for us ripped us off and refused to take my calls regarding getting any money back. So Iowa left a bad taste in my memories.
Keota is and was a shit hope. I grew up there and left as soon as I could. It’s gotten way worse over the years. The town has no money but the people that live there refuse to let it just die. Leaving was the greatest thing I ever could have done. In regards to Aaron I’m not surprised in the least that he went missing or the amount of time that went by with people doing nothing about it. It’s all about your last name in Keota not who you actually are as a person. If your last name was Greiner, Sieren, or Flander you better believe you would have been found within the hour with the whole state looking for you. ✌️
I agree about Keota! I was assaulted in high school, but I kept it to myself because of the he said/she said crap. I knew better. I watched students be tormented in the high school (they would put one kids head in the toilet), I know the gal that says Keota is her beloved town in this post. She was a few years younger than me in school. Obviously she married into a connected family, so her experiences are different. I never even heard of this case before. It couldn’t have been in the local paper more than once. Obviously Aaron was from a broken family and it seems people don’t think much of his mother. Hence, why the police aren’t interested. Most of the people in Keota sit around and drink beer and root for the Hawkeyes, though few of them actually went to college. I wouldn’t move my family there if you paid me!
I am somewhat confused about her disappearance. She travels with some unidentified person or persons supposedly to Florida. She supposedly returns to Waterloo, Iowa. The dumb question, is who car was being used. Was she using her car. Also where did this supposed argument take place.
Also would the alleged abusive husband have reported his wife or girlfriend missing. A search of police reports from the Waterloo, Iowa area, might identify a possible victim, if she ever called the police on him. Also, if she received medical treatment at a medical facility in the area. These steps very labor intensive might provide a name of the abused woman.
Also, you would think she would have come forward after all these years and tell her version of what took place on the trip. Also, where and when the argument took place.
Also, if you were driving from Waterloo to Daytona Beach, Florida, which way would you go. This might be something someone could research. Did they drive straight thru or make any stops along the way.
I was wondering the same Patrick! Seems like a lot of stuff has been skipped over. The woman on NamUs that some one posted in the feed here.. Could be her.. Like does any of this woman’s discrption fit Vivian’s?
It does not explain how he was dsabled. Also no information, on the details of his disappearance. When, Where, Why, Who, and How, of his disappearance. This is the basics of police work. I assume the police department know this.
There should be something in the FBI files about her. Also, I would xpect that they would have someone who infiltrated the group. When, I was in the Army Reserve, some members were federal agents. They said that a number of people who attended meetings of a local Nazi group, were federal agents keeping tabs in their activities.
So, Who knows what might be buried in their records in the archives. Since, she had been interviewed by them. They would be interested in her disappearance. Plus, they should have the names of those involved with the group from that time period and where they lived.
Who knows what they might find, if they tracked down the surviving members from that time period.
There are two people interviewed who have an idea of who it was. One person stated that a former classmate confessed years later, saying it was an uncle and that the whole family knew and covered it up. I am perplexed. Was this reported? Any kind of follow up? Why would you keep that to yourself?
If he has the intellectual level of a 9-yr-old, why was he allowed to go out alone at 9pm? Wasn’t it dark and cold out? Just wondering if this was something he was normally allowed to do.
One of those boys was her son n his long time best friend! Her son surely wouldn’t of killed his own mother n I know for sure his poor now deceased best friend wouldn’t have neither! Those boys wouldn’t have heard anything if they were asleep downstairs w the door shut n she was upstairs on the couch being strangled while asleep. Because if she wasn’t she would of fought back that’s for damn sure n there would of been defense wounds on both her n Scott! So think about it! I’ve known this family all my life n have witnessed Scott beat her up! So I know what that drunk ass meth head woman beater killer is all about n is capable of doing! I heard there was a witness that seen them the night before fighting in the laundry room n he was trying to drown her in a sink in there. Did anyone follow that up??? Also of course his prints would be in n around her home bc he lived there w her! So that throws off the investigation. So he pretty much committed the perfect murder however everyone knows he did it n is guilty they just need witnesses n evidence! So if anyone has any information they need to come forward not come on here w bullcrap n hating on Alisia!
Did Mr Johnson, have any family? Also did he have any medical issues. Also, there is no mention of him having a vehicle. I hate when there are few details.
I searched him on Ancestry, and found that John Thomas Johnson, was born on October 23, 1925 in Columbus, Ohio. This is according to his State of Iowa WW II veteran bonus. He served in the U.S. Marines Corps from October 8, 1943 until March 9, 1946. It does not mention what unit or division he was attached to.
I could not find a marriage record. I assume he may have used the VA for his medical care. However, there is a SS Death Index entry showing he died on March 15. 1998. Someone did not wait long in my book. His last residence was Des Moines, Iowa.
Yes. My grandpa had a lot of family. I Am one of many kids. John Thomas Jr Johnson was my dad. He died in August of 2008 from kidney failure. I have 7 other siblings. I don’t know about the vehicle thing. My mom left my dad when I was 1 because my dad John Thomas Jr, was very abusive mentally and physically. My grandpa John Thomas sr had very bad mental issues. He had schizophrenia. John my dad had a very rough childhood. I have an uncle, Jerome, David and a aunt christianna and Roseanne.
I think that investigators have a decent case, they can try and get prosecutors to file homicide charges without a body. The FBI has a program on this. Also, it’s interesting that his vehicle was found on the east bound lanes, when he should have been going West. Also, they find any fingerprints other then his.
Since he worked at the arsenal, his fingerprints would be on file. As a former federal government employee and retired military, I have been fingerprinted a number of times.
So with the news of Billy Lewis being identified and Larry Eyler being the person who took his life; would I be silly to think some of these missing cases of young men in Iowa we’re linked?
You need to look at the redinbo family, their story and alibi are questionable, I lived 2 houses from them and when I heard the shot their cars were present in the drive way as I could see them from my bedroom, the redinbo family was home when Eric was shot and killed!
I would also like to add that I questioned the daughter Bambi 3 days ago with that I said in this comment and she immediately blocked me from facebook……I liked this family but all fingers point to them….I know what I saw
Anthony Gibbs, you are full of dog caca. I am Bambi’s Aunt and I am the only REDINBO besides Eric that was in Keokuk or the surrounding area when Eric died, in fact we weren’t even aware he was here, his mother and sisters were living in Ohio at the time. Do you enjoy causing them more grieve and pain than they are already suffering? Murder and not knowing the true circumstances is hard enough. All fingers do not point to any Redinbo’s and I wasn’t even there. So knock off your bullsh*t!!!
Eric’s parents were home when the shotgun went off because I lived in the neighborhood and I saw their cars after I heard the shot they lied to the police because I know what I saw
I never said it was a Redinbow I said it was the family Eric Redinbow was living with they are lying to the police and they have been for almost 30 years don’t you think it’s time for the secrets to stop what are you trying to hide
FYI – They didn’t live in Iowa when this happened. I don’t know who you are but you are full of it and since you think you ‘know’ so much maybe YOU should be questioned!!! You are a sick individual!
You stupid SOB you need to remove this crap you contacted my daughter you didn’t even know my sons name or where it happened you contacted my daughter Bambi trying to hook up with her when she turned you down saying she was happily married you got mad and weird as you are , I am Eric’s mother we lived in Ohio when this happened my pain never goes away do you think myself or any family member appreciates this … just makes all our pain resurface again , myself or any family member had nothing to do with this what so ever, you said you seen our cars in our driveway never ever had a damn driveway, when you met my daughter and hung out with my daughter was when we moved back to keokuk after my son was killed… I’m contacting keokuk police dept and going to file charges against you…so just keep it up
Hey Anthony,
I am assuming that you believed the Redinbo to live in the house that Eric was killed in. It wasn’t the Redinbo’s that lived there, it was the Anderson family and Eric hung out there quite a bit.
You said you saw the vehicles in the driveway when you heard the gun. Can you remember what those vehicles looked like? Did you ever report this to the police?
Yo Anthony dude you really need to shut your fucking pie hole before somebody shuts it for you permanently my sister didn’t kill her kid you god damn dumb fuck
I am frustrated that someone with that diagnosis was still driving. He puts himself and others at risk. He been missing since 2013, and presumed deceased. He should have been monitored more closely.
I think there would be some forensic material on the blanket. Also, why leave the body outside a bowling alley. I wonder if she hung out there or was seeing someone connected to the place. There is no mention of her being employed. Maybe, she had a conflict with someone at work, or someone was stalking her.
I watch this every time someone makes a comment , were ready for his ass to be prosecuted for first-degree murder on my mother, Scott Macy is a killer walking the streets smoking meth with his mother every day and he is FREE Still …. Sickening !!!
Yes, Alisia. No point. I just remember ! lived next door you know. Yep the boys did stay home sometimes on school days. They were there when I visited.
I wonder if either of these two cases were entered into the FBI’s VICAP system. I would think the young M/W, probably committed similar crimes somewhere else. Also do we the type and caliber of the weapon used in these two murders.
I feel a deep sympathy for all family members suffering the loss of missing family. With all the technology and DNA these days… Why is this? We can’t it’s don’t search find work hard enough, if fire enough to do or complete the job. We should never stop searching..
Hire smarter individuals or use the money to investigate poperly…
I wonder if the murder of Pam Hinrichs and George Leonard , may be connected. They worked at similar places of business in a sense.
Was George a robbery victim, or was he shot for general principles. I see that Pamela was murdered on a Tuesday. What day of the week was November 28, 1981.
I would think if the police department had it’s together, then they should make a stab at clearing a few of these cases. Especially, since one commenter suggested a possible motive for his death.
If they can’t even solve thefts god help thes people and 911 don’t seem to make some of bpds officers from being good peace keepers .reported attempted stabbing I’ve never heard back from them wow and ya want to solve cold cases?pray the new chief gets them doing their jobs oh now let me guess ya will still be on my aaa for being a good citizen I even reported it with the presence of a Burlington social worker and victim will testify because she lived
Sarah DiMeo has done an outstanding job with the Faded Out podcast. Unfortunately, Noreen trolls have started posting the same old talking points that simply do not make sense. Monique Ventrano is especially annoying, as she or it spews lies after lies. For example, the Des Moines Register presented a story the day after Johnny went missing that no one heard the dog bark. Monique claims the entire neighborhood heard the dog bark. that is, if there was a dog
The Noreen version of events should be dispelled and put to rest. she stopped searching for Johnny years ago and her foundation continued to rake in the cash. The jackpot was the so-called documentary produced by Rumor, which if you think about it, is an appropriate name for a Johnny Gosch documentary under written by Noreen. Shortly after the documentary lines Noreen’s pockets, the foundation stopped submitting the paperwork the IRS requires for organizations to maintain a non-profit status. The IRS gives non-profits three years to make amends and the Johnny Gosch Foundation simply disappeared.
At one point, it became all about the money for Noreen and hence, the presentation of lies only a Hollywood writer could create.
One more thing: there were two cars (three cars if you count the Birge’s car near the scene of the kidnapping on a day when the sky was overcast and you cannot see much on a clear morning at 6 am and much less when it is about to rain.
She did help draft the Johnny Gosch bill but, other than that? Well, she wanted to be a movie star from way back and she kinda got her wish. The only ones still supporting her story are folks who have not done enough research into the case and have not looked at the source of claims from the story as told by her and the various con men that inserted themselves into the case from early on up until present times. I’m still trying to figure out what some of those con men got out of it other than sounding ridiculous. I guess some of them sold books, but the ones that didn’t should have chosen a different post retirement activity like golf or watercolors. The last investigator still believes that Gannon was Gosch and that he was simultaneously hiding on an Indian reservation. Ridiculous! The only facts that morning are those presented by the witnesses and those facts are very few. The rest is just a story and a story told by the “investigators” and con men and people the con men conned who were not there that morning and those who wanted to cash in on the case. The only people that know what happened to Johnny are either dead or aren’t about to come forward and have purposefully been laying low for years. Even though he didn’t probably come after Johnny on foot and emerge from the trees between two houses like the “story” suggests, I would bet my life that GPB, SS, and a few former Des Moines Register employees know exactly what happened to Gosch and Martin. Why was SS never arrested for impersonating a DCI officer or for obtaining and showing CP? The reason why is one of the things wrong with the case from the start. Boy if there’s one guy that I wish I knew what he knew it would be S. The fact that he moved from Omaha to Des Moines once things heated up and was straddling two cities and was part of local politics at the time just blows my mind. I am not saying he was the abductor at all. All I am saying is he at least knows who it was and there he was part of city council all that time that LE was so desperate to find information on Gosch or Martin. All that detectives had to do was talk to one of the guys on city council and then ask themselves how he could know or have access to something like that. There were several people around the case that should have been polygraphed and interrogated that weren’t. Too bad LE were probably all prevented in a certain manner by certain parties from doing any such interrogation or asking too many questions. After all “you saw it too and what would your wife think of that or the folks at church?” “You want your pension don’t you?” Ask too many questions and look forward to your next career bagging groceries instead! He was clever I’ll give him that.
I agree with what you wrote. Both Gosch and Martin were taken locally and dumped locally. I wonder how deep the cover up goes and why was Martin targeted. I get Gosch, because of the motive to eliminate a snitch to keep the pedos in business. No one, however, has linked Martin to any pedo activities.
Noreen Gosch is posting lies about Sarah DiMeo on her Facebook page. Noreen states Sarah is not part of the Johnny Gosch Foundation. Well, Noreen, your foundation went out of business, so you are not a part of it either. Right after the release of the untruthful documentary, your foundation stopped filing the proper forms with the IRS to continue operating as a non-profit.
Let Sarah finish her work and tell your robotic groupies to stop promoting the fairy tale told by Bonacci the lying scumbag.
You should have never made the documentary, Noreen. You opened the door for credible researchers to debunk the myth surrounding your son’s disappearance. I’m not sure when it became about the money, Noreen, but I think it happened before Johnny was kidnapped and most likely murdered.
Say hello to Sam Soda for me in hell Noreen, when you see him.
Hey Gene. You were physically abusive while you were married right? Why dont you stop bullying your Ex/wife and try doin that shit with me? Its a shame after all this time your still trying to intimidate her. Your a slimey dude Gene. I’d bet my life your behind your flesh and blood going missing that day. Pretty sure you’ll be the one in hell you pos. Go peddle your ever changing story of what happened that day somewhere else jerkoff. We know its just grandstanding. Ps if you were a man at all. Instead of an abuser you would meet me for a little chat. Don’t worry i won’t post anything i know about you after i pump your fuckin’ teeth down your throat. Enjoy the misery that is your life.
Sam Soda came from Omaha? I thought he had always been living in Des Moines and was a PI there. Was he maintaining residences in both cities at the same time?
Yes Sam Soda came from Omaha. If you look at some early articles from Des Moines register staff writer Frank Santiago wrote , they say Sam Soda, Private investigator of Omaha, while later articles say Sam Soda private investigator of Des Moines. I have heard he was straddling two cities. Easy to create a double life that way and easy to reinvent yourself in one place when things go south in the other. There’s the old saying don’t piss in your own sandbox. There you go. I’ve heard from one source, not sure if it’s true but, that he was a manager at a bar in Omaha called the Stagedoor in downtown Omaha, close to the old market in the early days before all the PI stuff.
Hello. I would like to leave a comment. As a point of information, I viewed the comments on the podcast. Referencing the one comment you mentioned above pertaining to the dog barking was not a certainty just a speculation. The comment does not read that the dog woke up the whole neighborhood instead it reads the dogs bark triggered the witnesses to pay attention to it resulting in one looking out his window and the other spotting a man walk out of the bushes. If the dog woke up the whole neighborhood it would of been better more witnesses may have seen what happened that morning.
First of all, Troll is a silly word and I do not Spew lies. I was simply setting a possible scenario.. I never said the whole neighborhood heard Gretchen bark, I said Mike Seskis reported hearing the dog bark and it’s possible PJ Smith did as well, which led him to look out his bedroom window. Sorry you found me to be annoying, but I raised great points and tonight’s Podcast Episode 23 was excellent.
The September 6, 1982 edition of the Des Moines Register quotes Mike Seskis saying he did not hear the dog bark. Because the dog was not barking, Mike did not “sense immediate danger.”
I do not find you annoying; I find you unwilling to entertain other possible scenarios besides the garbage spewed by lying Noreen. She is the reason the case became a mess. She criticized police, but when two psychics told her where Johnny’s body was buried, she did not bother to join the search.
She stayed at home to devise more ways to milk the case for publicity and hence, money. She’s a freaking liar!
I do not know if you live in Des Moines or were around when this went down, but you should know that many people that fit both descriptions think Noreen had something to do with it.
I’m not from Iowa. I never read that newspaper article I’m not a closed minded person. You’re entitled to your opinion. Unfortunately we’ve become a society that if they don’t agree with someone you’re the enemy that must be destroyed. Sad.
Oh, but it has everything to do with someone else.
Noreen’s version of events has run its course. Her harassment of Sarah DiMeo is a disgrace. The Johnny Gosch Foundation no longer exists, so referring to the former money machine applies to no one, especially Sarah. I hope Sarah puts the Patreon page back up.
It is apparent Noreen became unhinged after the John Sr. interview. She is obviously trying to protect the Noreen Gosch brand, which she has done for more than 30 years.
She has lied so much Noreen makes politicians look honest.
As a former US Army MI Analyst, what I believe happened is that Dan was traveling with a pop-up camper (News had it the murder scene has two sets of narrow-gauge tire tracks as if pulling a trailer) and perhaps with Misty, as well. I note from news reports they both disappeared for a while. I have read that there is a “Meth Town” at the head of Wamsutter Road to the West where it meets the main highway and that road is the back way to avoid attention thru Casper. There seems to be a good camping spot up there, and remote, I found on the Internet. I think the two girls tried to get away while Dan (And Misty?) were perhaps showering at Love’s, for it is the only place in Wamsutter for many miles to get such services and supplies.
But to later see his small blue nice paint and body job p/u right at a tight place in the road parked in the ditch as no local would ever do, seeing their reaction to me and my white 18 wheeler, and, in passing looking to read their plate #, seeing copious amounts of dust dumped upon the trailer hitch, and hiding the licence plate just added to the intrigue.
Conclusion: Meth-heads are murderers; The young girls knew too much about something that meant serious jail time for Dan and Misty, and/or perhaps even retaliation from other Meth-heads. Or it’s all Fake News.
And no one from Crime Stoppers, etc., ever called me back.
I worked at Rawlins City Market had station for quite a while. One evening just before closing a small purple sedan with a couple on it tore thru lane 2 then lane 3, back again, turned around, and back into lane 4. No way was I going outside. I watched the man driver seem at if to pump, but did not start it. He just furtively went to the pump and the open again and again. Finally I heard what sounded like a .22 short. They suddenly drove off without fueling. As I was about to lock the doors the same car pulled into lane 6, and an obese woman pre-paid 8$. She had 2 notable small moles on her right cheek next to her mouth. I went out to pretend to check the trash cans but kept my distance while I tried to get the plate number. I called the cops on what I thought were high meth heads. The man had black short hair, but was balding on top, and unless he was hiding was now not with her. The next day while browsing my photos I recognized my downloaded photos of Dan and Misty from the Amber Alert. I checked, and it was the newer colors of the Iowa State licence plate the sedan had and that’s why I hadn’t recognized it. I guess I almost bought the farm that night. Wonder why the authorities never have contacted me.
Rick A. Hyatt
548 15th Street
Cathy Gardens Apartments – #402
Rawlins, WY 82301
307-321-3371 rickahyatt@gmail.com
7/28/2018
Chief Jeff Jensen
Evansdale Police Department
Evansdale, IA 50707
Fax transmittal 319-232-1586
Re: My reported sighting of Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins attempting to hitchhike at Wamsutter, WY, Love’s Truck Stop way back when the Amber Alert was still active. And dressed in urban street clothes (We’d just had a snow) while holding a cardboard sign penned in ink “IO…” How, about a week later, I came upon a man I am certain was Dan Morrison in a small blue p/u with Lyric (Notable “Owl” eyeglasses) about 15 miles up Wamsutter Road seemingly very distraught about her ID’ing me or something.
Also, a most recent encounter (7/6/18) with Misty and Dan Morrison at my work place at Rawlins City Market, HERE IN WYOMING.
To wit:
Perhaps my previous attempts to report same were dismissed because I have Celiac’s Disease, and only recently have recovered from its adjunct, Lactose Intolerance. While being a former MI Analyst, these two conditions can still give one “Brain Fog,” and I note that the odd names and circumstance of this case are bizarre enough anyway.
I was never called back by anyone, so when I one day saw a sedan with IA plates and what looked to be four suited detectives at City Market, I approached them to tell them, “If you know any cops back in Iowa, tell them I’d seen (The above).
I note your cold case people have re-instituted a grounds-up re-investigation. Please do call if you with and please ignore my speech defect (A past tongue surgery), but I do now have hearing aids. My eidetic memory is still good, however.
On July 6th, right before my closing time when it’s pretty dark and slow out there, a small purple sedan zipped south thru lane 2 to turn around the kiosk to whip north through lane 3 to turn around, whip back, then turn again to stop at lane 4 as if to fuel. A young Caucasian man with black needle like short hair and what I would call a “Meth-head” demeanor keep gesturing to his passenger as if “How could you do that!?” Going back and forth, and looking at me in dread.
I could have sworn I heard the report of a .22 short thru the thick windows but saw nothing.
He suddenly hung up the handle and sped off without fueling. This was so bizarre I called 911 to document this. Since I’ve worked there, many a “Meth-head” had tried to instigate trouble. I think I’ve noted and reported things that have had an effect upon their covert means of transport.
I’d tried to get the plate #, but could only note the multi-colored plate was one I’d not seen before, but definitely not local Wyoming. I note from the Internet Iowa now sports a new design. Did his passenger have an accidental firing while handling a pistol? Or was it all some sort of show?
Right at my closing, two Hispanics came in at not their usual time to buy cigarettes. An Obese blond Caucasian in her late 20’s or so with a mole on her lower right cheek came in with a nuisance conversation about the price of cheap cigarettes and to put $7 on pump six, the furthest one out, where she’d now parked.
I noted that it was the same purple sedan, so tried again to get the plate number without approaching too close. This time I could read “IOWA” in white on top, a black cryptic block lettered custom #, and a green bottom symbolic, I guess, of a grassy field. She stood triumphantly before the car door, so I could not tell if the male was with her, had been dropped off, or was perhaps hiding in the back seat.
I did not know what to make of all the above until the next morning when I was browsing my photo Gallery.
Misty and Dan Morrison from news files.
Dan now had male-pattern baldness, and she is quite the more obese, but apparently has the same blond hair and facial mole. And some untoward current and intent interest in me.
Without a doubt, this man, his black needle-like hair, shape of face, and his “Universe is going to end” demeanor is the same man I saw with Lyric on the side of Wamsutter road when the Amber Alert was on.
Apparently coming all the way from Iowa to check me out? Well, I surmise they’ve been getting renewed questioning, I guess. Please note my long-term survival has been do to my practiced and trained ability to not react to things, but to appear to “Not notice.”
I am in occasional email contact with Officer Gamlin of the Rawlins Police Department.
“:” is publicly posted, if it is correct.
Yet as a twice-sworn-in Veteran “To Preserve, Protect…” I am painfully aware of how our moral base has been corrupted in order to Conquer-And-Divide by foreign forces, as with the Drug Trade, and do what I can to note and report things per my training at the 4th PSYOPS Group at Ft. Bragg.
On top of which, I no longer work at City Market, so would hope to have hit pay dirt with the proffered reward. I am a pragmatic man.
Lastly, please forgive my visually-oriented over-attention to detail. I was trained to be like that.
Please forgive the typos and in that this media will not accept the embedded photo nor email address I had in the original. Please just make sure this gets to the right authorities if you would, please.
In my research of missing persons, I came across an article about a missing woman from New Jersey. She had been rejected by a Muslim that she wanted to marry.
She had a breakdown and was placed in a psychiatric facility. Her sister and M.D., had her released and brought to her home in N.J., and the sister fled within 15 minutes of her arrival.
Her sister said that Renee had a case of ‘Dissociative Fugue’, which is psychological disorder. This disorder causes amnesia, where the person completely forgets their name, and flees the area of the severe emotional stress.
The 1st documented case of this in the U.S. was in 1880’s. The person is identified as Ansel Bourne. There are more cases of this documented on-line over the years.
It appears to be triggered by a death in the family, marital discord, and PTSD. One guy in Australia disappeared for about 23 years. He was found because he regained some of his memory and registered for their version of Medicare.
I recommend the stories of Hannah Upp, who disappeared at least three times with this disorder. Also, the story of Jody Roberts from Washington. She was found by the investigators in Alaska. Her parents were surprised to find she was married and they were grandparents. She had been missing for 12 years and had not recovered her memories.
So, this could explain her disappearance. Especially the death of her husband, would be a trigger as the medical community suggests.
I read excerpts online of a book by Norma brother Sydney Louis, who lived in Texas. He lists all his evidence that his nephew Carl Maynard, the chief of police in Boone, his nephews attorney’s, and the Iowa circuit court system for the disappearance of his sister.
He believes that Carl Maynard was most likely involved in the murder of his mother. Sydney, mentions that in May 1980, Carl was starting the process to declare his mother dead. He also became the conservator and the executor of her estate.
Also, he claims that the disappearance of his sister was not properly investigated or no mention of her disappearance was mentioned in the local media. Sydney, would have been mote involved in the case. But, he was taking care of his mother for almost 20 years, who was suffering with dementia.
He found out in 1988, that his sister had been declared legally dead in 1986. He also brings problems with Carl’s reports about parent’s assets. He spent money on the family home that would not have raised the dollar value of the home in that part of Boone.
Also, after his father is dead and his mother has disappeared he gets married to a woman, who it appears from a poor background, who she may have assumed that Carl Maynard had some money. Also, he suggests that Carl, who supposedly has an AA degree in welding never seemed to get a job in that field.
Sydney, is the one who suggested that Carl and his wife move to Texas, as there was plenty of work in that field. Also, there was another brother of Norma, identified as Sam, who still lived in Iowa.
Also he does not believe that Norma, would buy a bus ticket to California. There were other comments about stuff that Carl did that was not normal for him.
Not sure if this is still an active case. She was a former student of mine in Clarion. I believe she was either with grandma or her father when she was reported missing.
Clearly the boyfriend did this. It doesn’t take a genius to know this! Hello! Domestic Abuse always leads to someone being killed! Plus time of death was around the same time her boyfriend left for work supposedly well doesn’t that give you a clue right there? Plus if he noticed her laying upstairs on the couch when she was sleeping downstairs and she’s got a blanket over her head wouldn’t his first thought be to check on her if he truly cared? NOT throw a pack of cigarettes on her head! Duh! Because he killed her and tried to throw the police off and they once again failed the family! The killer walks free! Not to mention he calls his mom after he calls the cops… why? Because he’s guilty and is freakin out? Why doesn’t the Des Moines Police ever do their job and handle domestic abuse cases like they’re suppose to? Get with it guys! You’ve failed this family, you’ve failed me and my kids and you’ve failed a lot of other women plus their children too. How many more have to die in the hands of their abusers til someone learns how to deal, educate themselves and handle cases with domestic violence?! Seriously?! I just pray everyday for this family that this killer one day gets punished for what he did to this beautiful lady ❤️🙏🏻.
With all the new forensic tools available the police should review their case files and determine what evidence they have and whether anything can be tested.
However, if the boyfriend did it, his finger prints and DNA evidence would normally be found there since he lived there
However, it would be nice to know if they verified if these other people were present. Also, do they remember anything from that night or morning.
But, in some jurisdictions cold cases are not a priority. A recent article spoke about a six year delay in forensic testing in several cold cases, allowed the offender to remain on the street. However, this was a decision by the crime lab. This took place in California.
Right Patrick. Prints and DNA everywhere from him anyway..The part that I can’t stand is he was across from me then and. 23 year’s later he’s across the way from me again. New questions are coming up about the deal with the two minors downstairs that fateful morning. It was a school day. Mystery!
There are a number of Native American women, who have disappeared. However, they don’t a lot of attention from news media, since their disappearances take place on Indian Reservations, and either Tribal Police or Bureau of Indian Affairs Police don’t have the resources. Also there are jurisdiction issues that complicate law enforcement issues on the reservations. Also some of these reservations cover a lot of territory, for the detailed search.
I wonder how she got connected with a guy from Kansas. I don’t know how far away his home is from her residence. Also, it mentioned that he was married. So was she aware that he was married. Maybe she found out ad decided to end the relationship. Also, did he have a family, that could provide some answers.
Obviously I am just a reader so take this with a grain of salt. It mentions he drove but doesn’t say anything about what, if anything, was found in the vehicle. Was it not searched for evidence or was it and that information is just not shared here? Unfortunately, I believe she’ll be found in one of the bodies of water along the route indicated as it’s a fast place to get rid of any evidence. His commission of suicide leads me to believe he didn’t do a very good job concealing his crime and the evidence is out there to be found and he was under the assumption it had been and killed him self. Having other people involved may have given him a bargaining chip if he shared information so it seems likely he acted alone. I do not know this woman but PLEASE, if you live in the surrounding area, search for her. One year later or 20, any small bit of information or evidence may help solve this. “Missing” with no other information is an unacceptable answer and she needs to be brought home and we cannot count on a dead man or any possible other perpetrators to solve this.
I am Dawn’s niece. They met online. He lived a double life. He was married yet told the family he was divorced. He lived in Rolfe, IA with his wife. He lied about his employment, his marital status, everything.
I came across Emanuel burgs my high school friend wow 😢he has been missed his murder still has been unsolved even with all the technology being so advanced RIP J.R🙏🏽
There is not a lot of information on his disappearance. I wonder if he had any family, and if they are still looking for him. It bothers me that no one has taken the time to colllect more details on his background.
The question is why did Handlon took the truck. Was it for another criminal enterprise. Also, did Delaney have a criminal record, or needed the money. Also, you woyld think that the dealership would have the VIN for all the vehicles in their possession.
I don’t want to change the subject, but were the skeletal remains in the 55-barrel ever identified. When, I read that it reminded me of the Bear Brook remains found in New Hampshire.
The other question is whether the ex-boyfriend that was in prison. Was he ever questioned.
Patrek those remains where identified as Lois Tomich, who was murdered by her husband. Her husband, Thomas Tomich, was also a person of interest in two other murders; Debra Ann Barajas and Brianne Smith.
It is once again the upcoming anniversary of my father and stepmothers deaths. Also their grandaughter malinda jos 14th birthday. Every year i pray something new has been found. Please God let this come to rest. And bring us some closure. .. I love you… Melonie
I seen them Barb… he was once again defending him on here…. and how he was found not guilty blah blah blah….. and I said it then and I will say it again…. he was found not guilty on kidnapping not on murder….. so murder is still on the table…..
John, I apologize for my tardy response to your question. I do remember you making one or two comments and I also remember responding. I did a search on my computer and found a single text document referencing what you’d written Aug. 20, 2012, that said (verbatim):
–>I was Brokert’s attorney. He did not give police five stories, nor were there gloves or shovel in his car. The medical examiner testified the child was murdered 72 hours after Broker was arrested.< --
It also showed my response (which I will post below), but I honestly have no idea why your comment went missing as well as my response. As a rule, comments are never deleted unless there is excessive profanity (yours certainly did "not" fall into that category), and I'm at a loss as to what happened because I would not delete a comment to which I had replied. My response had included some of the text currently included in Amber's case summary. I'd written (also verbatim):
-->A doctor who testified for the defense said the remains found in the dry creek bed would have been placed there about 12 to 72 hours before they were discovered. He admitted he wasn’t an expert in studying fly larvae, a forensic entomology method used to determine the length of time since death.
According to interview notes taken during the investigation, a special agent with the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation said Brockert gave five different stories regarding Amber’s disappearance.
Jose Canas testified he saw a pink diaper bag sitting in weeds near the alley behind his home the night of June 8, the same night the baby disappeared. Canas also testified that he saw Brockert driving in south Muscatine the following morning with the diaper bag in his car. Canas said he would allow Brockert to borrow some of his tools without asking, and that after the abduction, he believed a shovel was missing.<--
I do remember one point in time (many years ago, though I don't recall the year) when we'd made the transition from using WordPress's regular comment form to using their "Jetpack" version, and I'd received perhaps a dozen emails from people who'd asked why their comments were deleted (on other cases). I hadn't deleted those, either, and though I was able to find some of them in old email messages notifying me (from WordPress) of new comments received, it wouldn't allow me to "re-approve" the comment so I'd reposted them manually citing the comment's original date and poster's name. I don't recall any other comment glitches since that incident.
All my best, Jody at ICC
IT’S BEEN ALMOST 7 YEARS GRANDPA! IT’S BEEN REALLY HARD WITH OUT YOU! NEXT WEEK I’LL BE 14!! BUT THAT WILL ALSO BE THE SAME DAY IT’S BEEN 7 YEARS WITH OUT YOU…. I’VE GROWN INTO A STRONG YOUNG WOMEN AND HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH IN LIFE. THINGS WERE SO TUFF GROWING UP AND I KNOW IF I WERE TO HAVE YOU EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN A BIT EASIER. I KNOW WRITING HERE DOESN’T CHANGE ANYTHING BUT IT TAKES A BIT OF THINGS OFF MY SHOULDERS. I HATE THE MAN WHO DID THIS. I TRULY AND DEEPLY DO. I WANT YOU BACK SO GOSH DARN BAD. IT’S SUCKS YOU’RE NOT AROUND. SO MUCH CRAP HAS HAPPENED. BUT I THANK YOU FOR THE YEARS I HAD WITH YOU AND ALL THE MEMORIES I HAVE TO CHERISH I LOVE YOU GRANDPA- with all love your grand daughter Malinda wood
Just throwing this out there but did anyone consider it a revenge killing in association to her fathers practice? Lawyers make a lot of enemies. Especially good ones.
Why were so many without picture’s? The public needs to know what they look like in order to be found. I never knew there were so many people in Iowa that are missing. I pray that they are all ok and safe.
As usual, I am looking for more details on his case. What was the cause of death, if it is considered a homicide. He was supposedly murdered in 1984, over 30 years ago.
Maybe someone could be held responsible if authorities released more details.
There is an 11 year old girl missing in Iowa. All we know is her name and date she supposedly went missing. I would expect a lot more than just that. Is someone being protected? If the authorities don’t have the details then they need to fill in the blanks.
The closest VA Medical Center is in Des Moines, Iowa. There is a VA Community Bases Outpatient Clinic in Knoxville. However, any admissions from the clinic would normally be sent to the VA Medical Center in Des Moines.
So he may have been referred to a civilian hospital, and eloped from there. Eloped is the term used for patients that leave medical facilities against medical advice, better known as going AMA.
So we need to determine what hospital he was in and why. Also, if he had a service connected disability from his time in the Coast Guard. Just for general information Coast Guard Personnel served in Vietnam,any many other conflicts.
I served with the Coast Guard Reserve during Desert Shield/Storm, in the Persian Gulf. I also served on a U.S. Navy attack submarine during the Cold War, and Vietnam era.
I did some more research and found that there was a VA Medical Center in Knoxville. However, it merged with the Des Moines VA Medical Center in 1997. So the Knoxville VA Medical Center is an Out Patient Clinic or CBOC.
The county attorney Kenyon is a crook. He has less morals than an drug addict I’ve ever seen. He should be fired for not prosecuting the mom. The reason he didn’t is because that crazy bitch has an uncle who is county attorney in next county. Let me guess was that hardisty? He was wierd also. They all blame me for getting an attorney barred but that attorney also was a crazy pedophile pervert. All the attorneys stick together weather they are right or wrong. I know other cases where Kenyon got the cops to lie on the stand and he lets his rich friends kids get away with rape of a minor. If your friends with Kenyon you can get away with murder rape whatever. He should have been fired a long time ago. I’ve never seen anything like it. My son went to law school just because of the crooked ass lawyers in this area .
Motive for mother to kill one child…she can’t handle two or less child support to the father. She is a crazy bitch and should be put away or finally she forgot to take her nutcase medication. She’s just out there looking to kill some other innocent person or animal. Thanks to kenyon. And there are rapist wanting to rape again ….why… cauae they can get away with it. Daddys rich
I wonder what was going on in the family that may have led her to run away from home. This might provide an investigative lead of sorts. What were her interests at the time. Also, what modes of travel into and out of Clearfield.
As a follow-up, it would be nice if Social Security could check their records and see if they issued a SSN to a female with that date of birth, or within a few days before or after.
Also under her original name. I wonder if she might have a boyfriend, who happened to be 18 or older. He leaves and she decides that he is the love of her life. It only an idea.
I find it interesting that her best friend is out of the loop on her disappearance, except that she ran away. She figured that Colleen would have gave her a head’s up. Maybe, it was a spur of the moment thing.
She mentions a family function outside of town, where Colleen took of from. Her brother said she ran away from home in the middle of the night. So what is the truth.
I agree, confusing, brother says she ran away from home. Her friend says she was with family at a function and disappeared from there. Not much to go off of, someone hiding the true facts of where she really was that evening.
Has there been a Facebook Page set up to try and find leads or information about Colleen Simpson’s disappearance? It has 46+ years since she disappeared. It sure seems to be a good way to try and find leads.
I don’t understand why the police refused to release any details of his murder. Were they protecting someone? This case is almost 35 years old. What are they waiting on. Also, has this case been entered into VICAP, so it can be possibly linked to another case that might have been solved, or matches this case.
We don’t even know the caliber of firearm used. Someone needs to ask the Cedar Rapids Police, when they are going to release the details of the murder. His children deserve some answers before they die.
What the hell is going on with Law Enforcement in the state of Iowa for the last 50 years? All these sad cases on this website all ended the same way and tell the same sad story. I read about how law enforcement dropped this ball or that ball, how there was no investigation or the investigation was botched or the crime scene was compromised or a member of law enforcement was actually in on it or somehow responsible or the ex police chief was corrupt and arrested himself for drug dealing or stalking or was buddies with the DA etc etc over and over again. What the hell was going on with Iowa police departments ? We’re they always this bad or is Iowa any worse or notoriously negligent and incompetent than every other department in every other state or are they all this bad everywhere? I think I know the answer sadly but that’s my question.
The only arrest’s the CRPD and Linn County can make are DUI’s,they don’t even try to investigate anything else unless it’s big news and then only if CBS,NBC,or ABC shames them into doing some work!
I find it interesting that there was no mention of whether if the victim opened the door to his home, or entry was forced. Also, were their any prints found in the car. Also, we have a guy involved in the theft of the victim’s vehicle, but it appears he was not the guy who was driving the vehicle stopped in Minnesota. Yet, the car was found in Effingham, Illinois, most likely close to I- 57.
If I remember right the Illinois State
Police have a district headquarters in the same town.
I think that’s odd as well!
There were no signs of forced entry so he must have know the person & let them in.
If he has done that, why do it nude??
Was this a girlfriend he was meeting???
Praying this get solved
Again another case with no details. The guy died, and we have to wonder how he died, that his death was classified as a homicide. I guess it too hard to provide some details. Who knows it might generate some leads. I like that his fellow homeless guy told Graspy’s niece that there was something wrong with him.
That more then the police have told us. Maybe, if they provided more details it might jog someone’s memory. Nah, we can’t that.
Again, law enforcement has not shared the basics of who, what, where when, or how. Where was he when he was murdered? How was he murdered? What was the time of the incident?. This incident took place almost 22 years ago. Yet, they might be some detail that they quite often withhold. I assume that he was murdered someway, shot, stabbed, strangled, died of blunt force trauma. When, will they tell us.
Jorge, I would make the call, and let the police follow up on the lead. It never hurts to say that the seen a guy in Cedar Rapids, that matches his description. Also, it keeps his case active with law enforcement. Mervin, could have have moved on from Spencer for greener pastures in the big city.
I searched Mervin Walvatne on Ancestry earlier today and found an address entry from U.S. Public Records showing an address of Route 1 Box 134 in Lone Rock, Wisconsin. However, their is no year when he was living at this address. The records from them covers 1950 to about 1993 or so.
I wonder if he had any family in that neck of the woods. It bears further investigation, even it means figuring out where Lone Rock is located in Wisconsin. Also, if alive he would be eligible for Social Security and Medicare. So, they need to be checked to see if he is receiving any benefits.
Another resource is the Salvation Army. They have a Missing Persons Bureau of sorts. I don’t know how they search their system of facilities, but because of his background they may have come in contact with him. I would think that he has come to the attention of some social service agency.
The first thing I would do if I were a detective on this case is hit all the recycle spots where you can get cash for cans in Cedar Rapids. Especially since he is on a bike he should be easy to track down. I would Interview the folks that work at these recycling redemption spots and interview other can collectors like this guy and ask if they have ever seen the guy and what time or days or how often this guy comes in. Most of these transient types who collect cans do it for a living, know each other and believe it or not, have a routine and frequent the same places regularly. They normally come weekly or more. There’s a ton of guys just like this in my town. Worst case a family member could post up there for a few days and I believe they could run into him. Now, Getting a law enforcement agency with stretched resources to track a mentally ill transient who is a non-contributor to society, a drain on local medical and emergency response resources, last seen in 1993 that generates no tax revenue for the city, yeah that’s the hard part. Best results could probably be achieved by a family member willing to put in the time and effort.
I like that idea. But something better would be the agency faxing a missing persons flyer to these facilities. Then they could notify the appropriate agency and the local police can then pick him up. He should be referred to social services. However, at 81 years old living a transient lifestyle, would he still be on the streets looking for cans.
Also, between social service agencies and law enforcement should be interacting with these people, to determine their identies. Who knows how many missing persons they m might account for.
Your idea about posting a flyer at these sites is a good one. Although if last seen officially in 1993 unofficially in 1999, that was quite a while back. Most of the transient types with no mental illness pass on in their 70’s at most due to hard lifestyle and being outdoors. But add in mental illness, poor health and hygiene and that makes even 70’s a stretch. If he’s truly in his 80’s there’s a good chance he’s not alive anymore. I wonder what the authorities do with random unidentifiable people that expire. Do they go into some kind of database? Are they cremated? Any notifications get put in a local paper for unidentifiable people for their loved ones to hopefully see? Like if I was someone random with no ID on me and just died on the street, what do they do if they have no one to contact? I guess the policy and procedures would vary by county. Sad. I believe the family could have done more to find this guy if they really wanted to find him. Some people don’t want to be found.
There are not a lot of details on his disappearance. It makes me wonder how the police determined that it was involuntary disappearance. If they have more details, they should share them, so that it might generate some leads.
When and where was he last seen? Does he gave have any medical or mental health issues? Does he drive or have access to a vehicle.
Time to call on Parabon Nanolabs for a “Snapshot” based on the DNA?
“In 2013, the Linn County Sheriff’s Office announced that they had sent the evidence from Ron’s case for testing and there was a DNA profile from an unknown person found on his clothing. The sample was run through CODIS (the Combined DNA Index System). No match was found. Ron’s case again is at a standstill.” –Marlene Florang Chramosta, guest columnist, The Gazette, https://www.thegazette.com/subject/opinion/guest-columnists/who-killed-ronnie-novak-someone-must-know-20170710
It’s frustrating that the authorities ignored this case. They should be ashamed. It appears that Karen, is a serial arsonist. How, is it that these previous and later fires did not provoke investigators to connect the dots. The State of Iowa needs to admit they failed and look at it again. The same with a full complete autopsy.
I wonder if her case was entered into the FBI’s system. Another thing is that her ankles and wrists were tied. There are other cases around the country involving the binding f wrists and ankles. It would be nice to see if the case might be connected with others around country. Also, I wonder where she got the idea, she was pregnant. Also, what was so important that she had to go back out at that time. Also, the roommate appears to have dropped of the radar screen in this case.
The Fred that Chris referred to in the FadedOut podcast is Fred Freelin Sayre. He was a known chester in the Des Moines area that worked at the piano store at the mall and died in 1994 from a gunshot wound once he relocated to Missouri. Not saying that this guy was the “Emilio,” just saying that he is one of many many people that could have been potential suspects and I’m sure at some point he was on the police’s radar. Just think of how many hundreds of people it could have been that are known chesters. Then think of the many chesters that are unknown or were unknown and have died since then. It’s literally impossible to tie anyone to Johnny Gosch’s kidnapping or Eugene Martin’s kidnapping without evidence and witness accounts that could positively ID a license plate or someone for certain or someone to lead them to the remains and then do DNA testing. Yes Johnny and Eugene were both paperboys and they were both kidnapped but then think of all the attempted kidnappings that almost happened but didn’t. For years I thought the cases were tied together and they very well could still be because there are many similarities. Both on a Sunday, both paperboys, both around the same age etc. But the more years go by on this case, the more I’m beginning to understand why law enforcement couldn’t tie the cases together. The only one saying Johnny and Eugene and then Marc Allen’s case were tied together was Noreen in her book. The whole Sam Soda alerting Noreen that there was going to be another abduction in 1984, then Eugene Martin was kidnapped- that whole thing was from Noreen. Noreen said in her book that Soda told her. Sam has denied it and there is absolutely no proof, no recorded phone call, nothing concrete that shows that Sam did alert Noreen before Eugene Martin’s kidnapping. If she could put a wave file or MP3 of that convo on her website, I’d believe it all day long and it could be true but I’m just saying there’s no proof. Linking the two cases together was probably done to keep the Johnny Gosch case in the spotlight and keep the leads coming in. Hell I probably would have done the same thing if it were one of my sons. A good way to keep your case alive is to tie it to other similar cases as the years go by. Notice that Patty Wetterling didn’t tie her sons disappearance to anyone else’s kidnapping or to Franklin or MKUltra or DeCamp or Gunderson or anyone else and neither did the Martin family. Think about that one for a minute. Just saying. This case cannot be solved by looking at all these far out conspiracy theories. The whole Franklin thing was a tragedy. I’m sure it really happened. I’m sure LE King had some skeletons in his closet but most politicians do and that doesn’t mean it’s tied to Johnny Gosch. This case could only be solved by looking at who the chester the molesters were at the time, and what witnesses saw. A lot of the folks that could have potentially been perps are long dead and there are only a few people living today that probably know what happened to him. Not saying they were the perps but I bet Sykora has a pretty good idea even if he just heard through the grapevine and I bet even more so Soda because of his involvement with the program he put on, S.C.A.R.E.D (Stolen Children are Reported Every Day), he has a pretty good idea of what happened also. Wilbur Millhouse probably knew for sure as well but he’s dead now and I doubt he was ever polygraphed at the time anyway. I’m saying we have no real idea who the perps were. I know the general consensus among many is to view the police as lazy and uncooperative in this case according to the many watered down documentaries, just remember the police really have no proof what happened to him. There are good cops and bad cops. Most cops are pretty good. Some good cops have a bad leader and they are stuck. The police also have limited resources and can’t stop everything they are doing to dump all their manpower and money into solving one case. The only thing that was tragic is that the police had to wait 72 hours before they started investigating it as a missing person’s case but that was the law at the time and thankfully Noreen did a wonderful thing to change that. That’s probably why they weren’t in a big hurry to get to her house that morning. If it was a murder, they would have been there faster but they had 72 hours to get there. That’s why it took them 45 minutes. I’m taking a wild guess that the police worked harder than anyone who wasn’t a member of the West Des Moines Police Dept at the time could ever know on this case. All the facts from this case can be found from the early days. Everything else is just a story. I urge everyone to use common sense when investigating this case and don’t get sucked into all the Gannon, MK Ultra, conspiracy stuff. Go to Netflix and watch a few episodes of Longmire and then tell me if you think a white person could just run away and go post up and work on an indian rez. Not a chance.
At least 9 pedophiles were arrested in the Des Moines area after Johnny’s kidnapping. I found newspaper photographs of all but one of the men. None look like the man who approached me in the Ford Fairmont when I was delivering newspapers in 1982. I agree with you that Johnny and Eugene were probably dead within 72 hours of their kidnappings. If Johnny was kidnapped to make pornography, how come no one has ever reported seeing him in pornography? There are some real problems with the story of Johnny’s 2 AM homecoming (listen to Faded Out podcasts 6-8, and take careful note of Noreen’s account of that event in two separate interviews–one right after the Bonacci trial, and the other done later by Ted Gunderson). See if you notice what I noticed.
One thing I have thought about lately: Wouldn’t it be counter-intuitive for a pedophile to kill his victim? These nine men apparently liked having sex with teen boys. Wouldn’t kidnapping and killing a boy put an end to what they enjoyed? So this kidnapper either took pleasure in killing, or Johnny was kidnapped (as Wilbur Millhouse told me) to shut him up. When the man in the Ford Fairmont insisted I get into his car on a snowy morning, I sensed rage, not sexual desire. I could see that man killing for pleasure.
If Johnny was kidnapped to shut him up, that makes sense too. Millhouse was arrested for trying to sexually entice a teen boy in 1975. Millhouse spent 30 days in jail for that, but the Des Moines Register rehired him 3 years later to work with children. They had to have known about Millhouse’s arrest because that arrest was printed in the Register in 1975. Maybe Millhouse was calling Johnny and Johnny threatened to tell on him. With a second offense, Millhouse would have know he faced prison, getting his a__ kicked again by fellow inmates, and the loss of his dream job (working with and victimizing boys).
I still don’t know what the connection was between Millhouse and the Fairmont guy. Someone out there does. When that person speaks up, there is hope this case will finally be solved.
Yellow Bag- thank you for your responses. Yes I agree with you 1000%. The 2AM homecoming is bogus and if it did really occur it was probably someone who played a cruel prank on Noreen even if it really did happen. People do all kinds of crazy things for dares or even just to be a sicko.
I have also heard that the composite police sketch of this “Emilio” character is bogus and was concocted as well as it didn’t assume the name “Emilio” until Paul Bonacci gave it that name in 89 or so. Also that sketch lists the man as in his 40s and if you go back and read newspaper articles, the age discrepancies are all over the place. Some articles list him as in his mid 20s to 30s, some in his early to mid 30s, some in his 40s. The only thing consistent with the descriptions in the articles are that they are inconsistent in his age range and that he had beady dark eyes, looked angry had dark hair and a darker complexion so possibly like Italian or Mexican or Puerto Rican or something but probably Italian is my guess. I would like to know the date of when this first composite sketch of “Emilio” came to light. One source clams November of 82, but I’m not sure it could have been much later. One thing I am sure of is it didn’t assume the name “Emilio” until Bonacci came along, which was many years later than the kidnapping itself, which could cast doubt of the person being named “Emilio” at all, even if just used as an alias.
The only people that could solve the crimes are people who knew exactly who Wilbur Millhouse hung out with. You would think guys like Ron Sampson, who was president of the Johnny Gosch foundation and also worked for the Des Moines Register for years and a very good and respectable guy could probably at least remember Wilbur Millhouse and perhaps some names of who he hung out with at these register events, and also especially people like then Des Moines district circulation manager Lou Cooke probably knew Wilbur Millhouse very well since Wilbur worked there so long and Lou could also probably tell you who he hung out with at these register events like the one at the Old Skate East. I wish someone would interview Lou or some other old time Des Moines Register managers just to see what they remember of these shady characters. They have to remember some names of these guys even if they didn’t like them, didn’t condone their behavior or their presence at these events. These Des Moines Register managers probably knew “of” these guys.
On another website about cold cases that my Great Great Grandmother told police that her son in law confessed 2 her twice that he was the one that did it.
According to newspaper articles my 2x Great grandmother told the Waterloo PD about it but there wasn’t anything to prove it but her word. That is one of the reasons she Mr Cordell, as well as mistreating her two daughters.
As a former detective with the Veterans Administration Police, I am frustrated that LE may have lost or misplaced stuff connected with this case. However, LE sometimes holds back some details. However, after all these years why would they not share it to possibly generate some leads.
However, from different comments, there is some confusion on what was the condition of her body when she was found. Shoes or no shoes, dress torn or not torn. So it forces us to look in the wrong direction.
It would be intetesting if they have any phyical evidence, that could be retested. Also, he was found dead inside a van. Most likely it was not his. So, who was thevan registered to.
Glenn was my great-uncle. I was 15 when he was killed. He was a transport driver. He drove one van while pulling another. The vans were similar to what the older UPS trucks looked like.
This is my grandfather. I contacted the homicide dept in Des Moines 15 years ago. They informed me that there was in fact evidence at the time, but that it has since been lost or misplaced. As far as the van, it was his employers.
I’m just throwing this out there…. anyone ever thought it might have been a gang initiation? Kill somebody random to prove one’s worth for a gang? Prayers to the family…..
No, it’s not a racist thing, like you are suggesting. He got wrapped up with some named Di or Ty, and then a man she knew killed him. My sense is they were using him and things got messy because of drugs.
Like others, I’ve heard rumors for years that the killer is or was a police officer. Does anyone know, or has anyone heard, it it was a New Hampton cop or from somewhere nearby?
Thanks
Everyone is pointing fingers i have heard of a person and not the pimp who killed Lisa was i there did i see him do harm to Lisa no, I am sure Lisa did not get a ride 3 miles away from home to commit harm herself. Someone took her there where so died of an over dose and the person with her was scared and left her there to be found it is crazy. If this did happen then why has no one come forward with info. I feel it some one left her there they would have told someone and may regret living her there, but nothing has been come up. Now, if a person kills someone, then that would be a deep dark secret that will never be talked about.
If G Kelly was in that attic space, at 5’2″ and thin, and emerged around midnight, he might have been identified by either of the Moores in wakefulness in the dark as one of the children.
They had no indoor plumbing, in the way of a bathroom. Perhaps it is plausible to imagine that during warmer months, the kids created late night traffic through the house to visit the outhouse in back, and as such, create a routine background noise during sleeping hours, never considered suspicious at all by the sleeping adults.
Kevin Colston: “They has no indoor plumbing; it’s plausible… the kids created traffic to the outhouse and back…”
I also considered this, but in a house with that many children (4 not counting the Stillinger girls) there were closets in each room, and they would likely have had bed pans. It’s possible they didn’t, but when you have small ones you don’t want to get up with them several times a night. You would probably have a water pitcher and basin, with a cup that older children can help the youngest with and, a few chamber pots inside their closet. I don’t know if this is true, but I heard that they had milk and cookies before bed. A mother as experienced as Sarah was, would not have given them milk immediately before bed, if she wasn’t assured that they would be able to access the toilet quickly. The youngest two were ages 7 and 5. Just a practical mom’s point of view. It still doesn’t necessarily rule anything out.
Good theory about the chamber pots. You wouldn’t want your young children running about outside early morning to use the outhouse. But then again, perhaps there wasn’t the fear we have today about our children’s safety. Who’s to know. Very tragic……very interesting.
Good theory about the chamber pots. Wonder how strict parents were back then as far as any of the children using the outhouse at night? Everyone was so much less fearful back then.
These events obviously took place after the 2200 dismissal at the church. Maybe midnight? How dark was it? How does a killer navigate a dark house with no light, without waking someone? That house is small. One sneeze after bedtime would certainly be heard. Moore had enemies, competitors in business. Is it possible there were two killers?
I believe it was a person that was very religious I say this because of the bacon wrapped in a towel in the kids room and i believe this person went to there church the old saying about pig in a blanket was said to be pretty much about wrapping the meat to hide that your eating it as a religious point when your not supposed to I’d look back in to all the people who went to there church I believe that’s were they would find the one responsible
Theres a new book called The Man from the Train. The author went thru old newspapers and found there were more than 20 killings like this near railroad tracks. The authors theory is that the man was a pedophile who killed families with little girls. Its gross but there was often bacon found at the crime scenes. The author thinks the killer used the bacon fat to masturbate. The killer may have been a lumberjack who traveled by train.
I grew up in Dubuque Iowa same age has Kenny joe Johnson , trust me Dave Soppe did this i remember this like yesterday because as a kid i was scared all the time after this that it would happen to me or my little brother, Dave Soppe drove around in a ice cream truck and would try to pick kids up all the time. My dad ( rip ) would run him off all the time. Dave Soppe would run his mouth to Kenny lick about doing it Kenny was a friend of my older brother about 5 years older then me and he hung out with us. Kenny got a pool table from my dad in late or early 1987 /1988 my dad was getting rid of it Kenny had no way of getting it to his home he lived with people down by the old Dubuque packing house it was a brick building , i remember this also like yesterday when me and my dad took the pool table to Kenny’s house Kenny was all shook up my dad asked him whats up Kenny replied by saying” Dave Soppe just threatened me if he told anyone about killing that kid in the carpet at Maus park he would be next “. This can be proven if they can pull up where Kenny Lick lived at that time trust me it’s where i said by the packing house. now Kenny Lick was no saint but he trusted my dad big time, a few years later Kenny lick was charged with multiple rapes around the Dubuque Iowa area. I believe Dave Soppe died in davenport Iowa. Dave Soppe would always tell Kenny if he told he would be next, yes sure Kenny lick could of made this all up, But you ask anyone who grew up there they would of told you Dave Soppe did this. I feel so bad that this has not been solved i truly think the Dubuque police messed this up like other cases. Now if you think i’m full of it look up the records about Kenny lick and Dave Soppe pretty sure Dave is dead but Kenny i have no idea we moved away from Dubuque Iowa in 90s. Hope this helps. feel free to contact me i’m 47 years old now this needs to be fixed so this young man can be in peace now. I know so much about hill crest my sisters where in there trust me this place was a joke and not good for kids. And yes we told the police the same thing before but my dad was not liked so they would blow it off.
hi sorry i just seen this been threw a lot over the past few years and my mind was not on it , and i been watching old cases on tv and thought about this again. you can contact me at theecheesypizzaboy@gmail.com i hope you come back here and see this please contact me.
Kenny Joe Johnson rip, i grew up at this time in Dubuque i remember this like yesterday everyone at that time new damn well dave soppie did this, the guy was a perv drove a icecream truck around and always tried to pick kids up including me and my little brother. he was seen with this kids by people and police were told but fucked it all up
I spent some time looking at all the sex abuse arrests reported in the Des Moines Register from 1980 to 1987. My hope is still to identify the “Fairmont guy” who tried to get me into his car when I was a 15 year old newspaper carrier in 1982. I know the Fairmont guy and Wilbur Millhouse, a Des Moines Register employee, were acquainted.
It appears that the Des Moines Police were very aggressive in going after local pedophiles after Eugene Martin was kidnapped in 1984. There were multiple home searches and arrests, and it was alleged that there were three “child sex abuse rings” targeting teen boys in the Des Moines area. The arrested men all denied being part of a ring, but nearly all either pleaded guilty or were convicted of sexually abusing teen boys.
Sam Soda’s investigation alleged 3 Des Moines Register employees:
1. Frank Sykora (Register adult carrier, pleaded guilty)
2. Unnamed, presumably Wilbur Millhouse (Register circulation manager, pleaded guilty)
3. Unknown
The Des Moines Police raided 3 homes in February of 1986:
1. Steve Crawford (school volunteer of the year, pleaded guilty)
2. Wilbur Millhouse (arrested 6 months later)
3. Robert Robbins (young man, apparently not charged, died of AIDS in 2001)
The Des Moines Police alleged a child sex ring centered around a local witches coven:
1. Davis Graham (school teacher, leader of the coven, pleaded guilty)
2. Jerry Wintz (income tax preparer, pleaded guilty)
3. Patrick Baird (insurance clerk, partially deaf, pleaded guilty)
4. Stephen Woodcock (school teacher, convicted)
5. Larry Hoffman (declared mentally incompetent)
Millhouse told me on several occasions that Johnny was kidnapped because, “He couldn’t keep his mouth shut.” I think the key to finding out what happened to Johnny is to find that person (maybe a cop, school teacher, childhood friend, Des Moines Register employee) who remembers what Johnny was saying back then and who he was accusing.
Also, I found in my research that the Des Moines Register rehired Wilbur Millhouse in 1978 (he previously worked for them in 1969 and 1970). That was 3 years AFTER Millhouse was convicted of sexually harassing a teen boy by telephone. Millhouse was sentenced to jail time, forced to undergo a psych evaluation at Broadlawns, and the Register still hired him to work with children. Hmmm…
I have been in regular email contact with Sarah, the creator of the Faded Out podcast. I may do an interview in the future. Sarah, by the way, is doing an outstanding job of analyzing the different Johnny Gosch theories, organizing them into easy-to-follow narratives, separating truth from fiction, and presenting the stories in an interesting way. I had my doubts that a young lady in Connecticut could make any difference in a 36 year old Iowa cold case, but Sarah has proved me wrong. I hear that Sarah uncovered some new information, and I am looking forward to her next podcast tomorrow night.
Yellow Bag- Does the guy you remember that tried to kidnap you and that also you said knew Wilbur Millhouse, does the sketch of “Emilio” even resemble the guy you remember? How close is the sketch to the guy you remember?
The Emilio sketch does not resemble the man I saw in the Fairmont. The man I saw in the Fairmont was only around 25 years old and he was not Hispanic. He had black hair, brown eyes, and a well-trimmed mustache. He was medium build, had a very angry look in his eyes, and he spoke with a slight accent (not a foreign accent, maybe east coast). The thing that stood out the most to me was his bright blue and orange jacket. When I called the West Des Moines Police after Johnny’s kidnapping, I told them I believed it was a paramedic jacket. If the Emilio sketch looks like anyone, it was Millhouse himself. But then again, Sarah DiMeo with the Faded Out Podcast found an eyewitness who is telling her that Johnny did not walk to Ashworth Road on the day of his kidnapping. That makes the Emilio sketch dubious.
I saw a photo of Jerry Wintz but he does not look like the guy who approached me in the Ford Fairmont. The guy who approached me was not heavy, like Wintz. I have seen photos of Frank Sykora, but not his brother. It looks like the Sykoras lived in the 1600 block of E. Capitol. That is really close to where I was approached–around E. 23rd and Grand. I would sure like to see a photo of James (?) Sykora.
The man who approached me in February or March of 1982 seemed very alert, angry, and agitated for someone out and awake at 6 AM. It was also snowing very heavily at the time. After he asked me for directions, he told me I should sit in his car to get out of the snow. My thought was that the man was coming home from work, not going to work. He did not look like someone who just woke up in the morning. I guess it’s possible, too, that he was wound up because he was out hunting for a victim. I got nervous because he kept looking in his rearview mirror, like he was worried about someone seeing him talking to me.
I still think the blue and orange paramedic jacket and East Coast accent are the keys to the man’s identity. If I remember right, it was Labor Day of 1982 when I called the WDM Police after hearing they were looking for a suspect in a Ford Fairmont. What are the chances there were two men trying to abduct paperboys who just happened to drive the same model and color car?
I have not posted in a while, mostly because I have nothing to add. The only new think it that I was able to get into Millhouse’s house when it was for sale this spring. There was nothing in the crawl space from Millhouse’s day except some old paint cans. There was an old fireworks box in the attic. That is kind of interesting because I heard from a reliable source that Millhouse sold or gave away fireworks to try to get boys to come to his house so he could molest them. I still think the truth about what happened to Johnny Gosch will come out. The Fairmont man, if he is still alive, would only be in his 60s or 70s. Someone out there has the missing pieces of the puzzle.
I cou;d have answered the car and driver question years ago when we spoke but you were to busy attacking my creditabilty . FYI I moved here thinking people cared, but Iowa is just as mind controlled as California is.
Are you aware that “they” socially programed one million Iowan incuraging them to sing JG songs and then say all those JG expression that act to keep the programming current. Thier plan was to gain conscious particapating control of me then use that population as my loyal base to rise me to political power. It is a political satanic cult.
I have chosen the other path that will allow me to protect the children who are traumatized and curupted into willing participation in this cult because nobody else will.
Those of you who are in the perpitratjng class act like you care but when confronted with the truth you resort to the same old tactics. Now I’m really here and you have no way to deal with me and can only try and silence me in ways that keep others from lessening to me. Those people I ask to start thinking about how damaging your actions are to the children who you profess to be seeking.
The location the samples were taken from Said they came and removed carpet, parts of the wall and floor. Yes Les that’s right. Blood soaked through the carpet into the floor and I hope you rot in hell.
Coming up in less then 2 months it will be five years that my little brother Freddy has been away from our family… Freddy this is ur big sister Angela Marie Dowd I have recently changed my last name I wanted to update u just in case u want to reach out or if anyone has any information my new phone number is 6414525917 so if anyone has any information please let me know and Freddy if u do ever see this we miss and love u so much…
Dear family and friends of Freddy. You have my hope and faith that soon you can all be reunited. My name is Charlie and I know I’m a complete stranger but I felt the need to comment. I suffer from short term memory loss and PDSD from a coma I put myself in a couple years ago. Since then I found faith and strangely have random shocking events (that shock me) at least, so before I forget this event I wanted to share my my view. Been up all night due to insomnia and a random movie came on Hulu that I ended up watching that ended maybe 30 minutes ago and it intrigued me to look up missing people around my area. The movie is called Kidnap. It’s an extremely moving film that I encourage anyone to watch. After watching it and curiously looking up missing people around me, I scrolled over around maybe 30 missing people and decided to click on Freddy first. Once I began to read I noticed the date he went missing which strangely happened to be today. I got that random strange coincidence feeling I encounter from time to time and went wide eyed again. This could be a small coincidence to others but through my experiences since I woke up from my coma I find these random coincidences a bit more strong then others can see. I ask for you all not to ever give up hope on seeing your loved one Freddy again. Life is hell without hope. Before my mind separates and I forget this I wanted to give you my hope on a safe return of Freddy, and to say I’m here thinking of Freddy and praying for the best. If you’d like you should watch the movie. The strength and faith throughout the movie is something everyone needs. Stay positive. Sincerely,
Charles L, Pond.
Council Bluffs IA.
There has to be something we can do! Can we all call the Union Country Attorney and demand he release the information?? This story has bothered me since I first heard about it :( its obvious who started the fire and killed Ricky Jr.
I tried to research her on Ancestry, to see if they any records of her marriages. I found a Family Tree entry for her, but no marriage records. I was hoping to find when her last husband died and when. It said he died in Minnesota one place. Someone thinks the husband died along with his son died in Missouri. It might explain why she disappeared. Also the family tree did not mention her children.
I have researched all of her marriage licenses the only one I ever came across was for Charles Jackson and as I was told she never actually married the guy in Minnesota but maybe I’m wrong but I did fine a person I was connected to the carnival with the same to scars on her face and they said that she passed away in a car accident but had several different names and she was leaving the carnival about the same time same height scene hair color a little bit heavier but the timeline didn’t match up
Another question can anybody give me any information on Charles Chuck Jackson I’m trying to find any of his siblings and his obituary date for family history
I talked to Amy tonight. All of Grandpa Chuck’s siblings have passed.His only living relatives are Kathy, Amy, Chuck jr., and of course all of us grandkids.
Her daughter’s don’t know all of the info. I do know her last marriage was performed in Soiux Falls South Dakato. The reason she was reported disabled is because the family believes she had a nervous breakdown due to Alan’s death and a miscarriage shortly after.
his name was tom demsris he died releasing the band on a trucload of logsthey werent set right on the load they rolled off on himhe was adding on to farmhouse due to big family they had
Eileen was a wonderful lady! She opened a branch of our dress boutique in Mediapolis. Main store was in Burlington. Bob didn’t want a divorce. Why is there no mention of her 2 year old daughter Mindy as a survivor. Bob didn’t want to give up his daughter. Bob has passed away now and with him – his secrets. As the story goes Bob Dill passed a polygraph test but I always wondered – his line of work and past history of physical abuse in other relationships. Only the Lord knows and those responsible for this terrible tragedy will be held accountable by a higher power.
She has two kids. I think her death put her family through unimaginable horror. Her ex was the last person to see her, he was an excavator or in that line of work. I researched her Sharon and saw that she opened a boutique. I think, argument, things got out of control and It was convienient for him to bury her at one of his work sites. The family doesn’t want to cause waves or upset those still alive. Breaks my heart
Tina has anyone ruled out the decedent 1982 in Richland Co. S.C.? It’s a longshot however this is what I research. Local LEA has been contacted.
NAMUS Has the unidentified decedent in Richland Co. South Carolina been excluded in this case?
NAMUS ME/C Case Number
82-0073
Demographics
Sex
Female
Race / Ethnicity
White / Caucasian
Possible First Name
—
Possible Middle Name
—
Possible Last Name
—
Possible Nickname
—
Estimated Age Group
Adult
Estimated Age Range (Years)
35-50
Estimated Year of Death
1982
Estimated PMI
—
Height
5′ 0″(60 inches) , Measured
Weight
134 lbs, Measured
Circumstances
Type
Unidentified Deceased
Date Found
February 15, 1982
NamUs Case Created
June 18, 2014
ME/C QA Reviewed
—
Location Found Map
Street Address
2414 Bull Street
Columbia, South Carolina 29201
County
Richland County
GPS Coordinates
—
Circumstances of Recovery
Jane Doe was a patient at SC State Hospital who was unable to provide her real name due to schizoprenia. She died as the result of an accidental fall on 02/15/1982 in the hospital. She was buried as ‘Jane Doe’ by the Richland County Coroner’s Office, following exhaustive efforts to determine her identity. Her skeletal remains were exhumed by a forensic anthropologist in 1996 from the county cemetery, as part of an effort to revisit efforts to determine her identity.
Details of Recovery
Inventory of Remains
All parts recovered
Condition of Remains
Recognizable face
Physical Description
Hair Color
Brown
Head Hair Description
—
Body Hair Description
—
Facial Hair Description
—
Left Eye Color
Blue
Right Eye Color
Blue
Eye Description
—
Has anyone excluded 1982 Richland Co. S.C. Jane Doe?
NAMUS Has the unidentified decedent in Richland Co. South Carolina been excluded in this case?
NAMUS ME/C Case Number
82-0073
Demographics
Sex
Female
Race / Ethnicity
White / Caucasian
Possible First Name
—
Possible Middle Name
—
Possible Last Name
—
Possible Nickname
—
Estimated Age Group
Adult
Estimated Age Range (Years)
35-50
Estimated Year of Death
1982
Estimated PMI
—
Height
5′ 0″(60 inches) , Measured
Weight
134 lbs, Measured
Circumstances
Type
Unidentified Deceased
Date Found
February 15, 1982
NamUs Case Created
June 18, 2014
ME/C QA Reviewed
—
Location Found Map
Street Address
2414 Bull Street
Columbia, South Carolina 29201
County
Richland County
GPS Coordinates
—
Circumstances of Recovery
Jane Doe was a patient at SC State Hospital who was unable to provide her real name due to schizoprenia. She died as the result of an accidental fall on 02/15/1982 in the hospital. She was buried as ‘Jane Doe’ by the Richland County Coroner’s Office, following exhaustive efforts to determine her identity. Her skeletal remains were exhumed by a forensic anthropologist in 1996 from the county cemetery, as part of an effort to revisit efforts to determine her identity.
Details of Recovery
Inventory of Remains
All parts recovered
Condition of Remains
Recognizable face
Physical Description
Hair Color
Brown
Head Hair Description
—
Body Hair Description
—
Facial Hair Description
—
Left Eye Color
Blue
Right Eye Color
Blue
Eye Description
—
I am Bob Dill’s daughter. I am amazed how Eileen’s family are so eager to trash my father even though he was proven innocent with a polygraph test. I guess they forgot about the time Eileen disappeared with her son Derek and was later found in Texas living in an apartment as if she did nothing wrong. Poor Stan went through hell finding her and getting his son back. Makes me believe she was the Jane Doe in the mental hospital in SC.
Also, not long after her disappearance, I seen her in person in Gulfport Illinois at a night club. I reported it and gave them a picture of her. There was an investigation and the bouncer at the club confirmed he seen her. There was a class reunion going on that night and she was with another man.
As you can tell, it has been years and I remember that day still. I could go on and on but prefer to let the Detectives do their job.
I have not seen a single thing written or otherwise by Audreys’ family saying anything negative about your dad. Polygraph tests are not solid proof, especially in the 70’s.
He was the last person to see her in Iowa. Trained authorities listed her as= involuntary missing for a reason.
Why would she go to another state for a reunion?
I do not believe she would just up and leave her two children.
I know it must be difficult to ever believe a loved one committed such a crime… but it does happen.
Didn’t she have a 2-year-old daughter Mindy? I was the owner of the dress boutique in Mediapolis where she lived. Eileen loved life and was looking forward to being divorced. Didn’t Bob kick his first wife while she was on the floor and broke her hip? That is the story she told us. I will never forget the day she went missing. Yes, everyone thought Bob was guilty – backhoe, she would have fit in an empty garbage can – soo soo sad!!!! No one leaves their purse, a birthday cake for her daughter and clothes in the washer… Just too many questions that will probably never be answered. Bob is gone – and with that his secrets.
Yes Sharon she had a daughter Mindy and a son, she would not have just left her family and children. It is well known he abused her and his first wife. The detective said the last person to see her was Bob and as we all know polygraphs might help but they do not prove a thing.
Pretty convenient he had a excavating company. She was tiny, would have been very easy to put her body anywhere. I do not believe she went to Illinois for some school reunion. Wish there was a better picture of her on her though.
I know he is gone, one thing helpful with that is I believe he had to answer to our maker. We just won’t get justification or closure here on earth.
Your father choked Eileen till she passed out. Whatever mistakes she made in the past doesn’t change what he did to her. Don’t ever bad mouth my sister again.
I was always told that during the time of her initial disappearance, Bob had poured a new cement slab and on it had built a garage at their home. I wondered why no one had ever had it dug up to check.
I Donna L. (Monson) Booth married. Traveled to the funeral with our father & young brother, Darin.L. Monson. Denease was also in a Women’s Crisis Center 2 weeks before her death due to extensive injuries by Robin. Her funeral had to be closed casket due to the injuries new & old. Seeing the extensive abuse on her young body was crushing. Robin Latham is known to have been verbally & physically abusive on an ongoing basis, dating back to their life in Blackfoot, Idaho in the mid 1970’s. She returned to Idaho with her 3 young innocent boys in 1985, seeking relief from Robin’s abuse. Family & friends saw the lengths Robin went to abuse her. Her death was tramatic for everyone that knew her, dieing 2 weeks before her 25th birthday.
Please, if you have any information that could help solve this case, contact the Unsolved Case Department in Iowa.
Thank you, Denease’s Families & Friends.
Mrs. Booth, would you consider a telephone conversation sometime. I’ve been researching Denease’s case for the past five months and could really use some help and perspective about her. Thank you. You can reach me at the Oskaloosa Herald 641-672-2581 ext. 424. My hope and goal is to put her story out there that somebody might come forward or evidence comes to light. Thanks again. -Shelly, Herald staff writer
I find it frustrating that the now sheriff, is claiming that her death was accidental. Since, he was a senior person in the sheriff’s office, he should have referred the case to another agency. I hope the State of Iowa would take a look at it.
Craig’s mother most likely does not want to acknowedge that one of her sons had a hand in the death of his brother. He also may have been involved in the death of Kim, or knows what really happened.
Now they are stating case is closed just like my family’s cases both closed kims case was suspious then closed and my mom dad and 2 brothers died in fire christmas day this year and they say undetermined but wont even look at all evidence or speak to all siblings
First of all, I apologize – I realize I’m a little late in reading this.. I hope with all the time that’s passed, you have been able to obtain some answers and get the closure you deserve.. Someone else asked about the 2 guys that were there/and a part of Kim’s demise – did the Blue grass sheriff’s department speak to them?
Julie, I’m so very sorry for everything you’ve been through.. I don’t know if I mistook your family’s home catching on fire the wrong way, but it kind of seems like maybe it was a message from the authorities to hush?? God I hope not. Please let us know how you’re doing!! You’re very strong and courageous, don’t ever forget that!
I agree. I’m so sorry for the losses you and your sisters and brothers have endured. This sherriff sounds like an ass. I wish there was a good private investigator who would take your case for free.
I checked Ancestry and found a South Dakota marriage record for a Dwane Dreher (30), who married Lois Irene Genzler (18), on June 6, 1952.
However, a Family Tree posted on Ancestry, shows that Lois Irene Genzler was born on October 6, 1936. So that would make her like (16) years old.
That might explain him getting a marriage license in Mason City, Iowa to marry his now (18) year old wife Lois Dreher.
Also, the Family Tree entry shows that he may have lived in San Diego. California in 1953 or 1954. But there was no link to an official record to support it. A David Allen Dreher, supposedly was born there on December 1, 1953. He died on November 6, 1977, at the age of (23).
We are now approaching 35 years of an unsolved case. DNA technology and the evidence should be enough to try the monster. If Terri was white, he would have went to trial years ago. She should not be forgotten and this crime should not be forgiven. Take some action and give the family some peace. Native American women are murdered at TEN TIMES the National Average…35 years should be enough time to figure it out. Stating that it is still being treated as an open unsolved case is an insult to the Native community. If this was your daughter, or sister, or cousin; how would you feel about this time warp?
Frustrated with a Heavy Heart.
Tjay Gill is a GooD Guy and from what i Gather from him and a friend whos mom was actually dating the Guy that did this to my mother..
The scpd knows who did it and im for sure this guy did it to i want to expose this guy on facebook he has a account on there talking about where he lived and what kind of gun he had and that he use to frequent the place they found my mom and he lived within a 5 block radius of the place but i dont want to mess up any legalityz or anything..
Nate, Tom Popp has NOT been accused in your mother’s unsolved murder. This conversation is treading on dangerous waters. There are cases that have a considerable amount of circumstantial evidence, and as we’ve seen in the past, that’s often what it comes down to when a completely different person is charged and arrested. Coincidences are bound to exist in any case.
Thank you for understanding, Nate. This case means more to me than you know not just because of Terri, but because it was one of the cases I covered for the Weekender series long before ever launching the Iowa Cold Cases website. This is why her case actually has an article title and the same reason the original content has not be edited.
I understand the frustration of a loved one’s case having been cold for so long, and 35 years is a long time to wait for answers, but I do stay in touch with SCPD and know this case is important to them.
Most interesting, I think, is the irony in Sunclades’ words about the true perp eventually screwing up and getting caught. In today’s world, the possibility exists that one of the perp’s close or extended relatives may unwittingly help solve the case by having submitted his/her own DNA through a genealogical organization like Ancestry.com or 23AndMe. DNA and genetic genealogy is now solving decades-old cold cases in record numbers across the US. Hopefully, it will catch up with your mom’s killer in the very near future. All my best to you, Nate.
whats up Family..
me n my son live down here in omaha now.
we went by uncle pats house.Condolences fam..
but nobody answered..
i would love for you to meet my son and i wanted to catch up with you guys..
Love yall..
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Unfortunately MPD is far too busy to reopen the case and investigate. Evidence has been lost so the story goes…. I for one have written letters to numerous agencies trying to get justice for Amber…. always the same answer it is out of hands…. The beat thing thing this family has is each other and knowing the fact there is no statue of limitations on MURDER!!!! He was tried for kidnapping and was found not guilty….. There is still a murder charge on the table and I hope for the sake of Amber’s family he will be blessed with the murder charge and found guilty….. how this POS sleeps at night is beyond me….
Sounds like you all were there and know exactly what happened that horrible night. What are the facts, as I myself do not know because I wasnt there or around. From what I can tell is that a perfectly innocent child was taken from her home, where she was left by her monther in the care of said Les Brockert? And from there I have no idea until a schoolmate of mine found a part of her. So can someone fill in the missing pieces? From being at home, to being scattered across Port Louisa.
#angelbaby
Also, he may have suffered from what we know s shop as PTSD. Also, did he ever seek medical treatment from the VA. Also do you have any of his military service records. There were several VA hospitals in the Chicago area at the time.
The other thought is that PTSD is a trigger for a psychological disorder called ‘Dissociative Fugue’, which causes a form of amnesia, where the person completely forgets their name and quite often flees a source of trauma, such as marital discord, a death in the family.
Quite often they will adopt a new name. There are recent cases of this and others dating back many years. A guy was missing for 23 years with this disorder in Australia. He was actually found a week before a hearing to dclare him deceased. He had remembered his name and applied for their version of Medicare. They found an entry in the records.
It would be interesting if he exhibited any signs of strange or odd behavior. Also, did anyone track down the woman mentioned in the marriage license application in November 1954.
It sounds like he was a part of the U.S. Navy Armed Guard, these men manned various guns installed on cargo ships during WW II. So they were extra protection against attack by U-boats and German aircraft especally on the runs to Murmansk, Russia.
I’m going to put forth my theory, crazy as it may sound. I think the father did it.
Look at it with forensic psychology. Of all the victims, the adult male’s face was completely demolished. This happens for two reasons – 1 – the killer is in a rage, or 2 – the killer is trying to obscure the identity of the body. The whole house speaks of cool calculation, not a crazy rage.
And there is this – how could so many people be killed quietly with so much violence? My answer is that they were drugged. Something slipped into a bedtime glass of milk, say?
Now the obvious question is where did the dead man come from? The same source where most of the suspects come from – the train, and the transients who walked through town. The father could have offered him a job, some charity like new clothes, or food. The father might have killed him in advance (since time of death determination was really crude at that time) or arranged for him to come to the house late at night. The man could have been poisoned in the kitchen (the uneaten meal) or with blunt force that was then obscured by the axe blows. The father dressed him in his clothes and finished the job.
For a few loose ends, the food and bacon left the impression of an outsider. So did the cigarettes, though those might have been smoked while the father waited for, you guessed it, the train. He slipped out into the dark and went to start a new life.
I’m not gonna lie, I just started doing deep research on this murder case and all of these replies and comments have me thinking! This case and all of the conspiracy theories are crazy!! I wish I could see the actual legal reports and the evidence so I could look at it! It would be super cool to have an actual answer to the biggest US crime case of “WHO DONE IT?”!
Cannot help but think this has a connection to the 1904 Ella Fox murder done with an axe…too much in common.
If someone was to do the research, think it would be discovered that many other cases exist….this is the kind of thing that CANNOT be a solo act…just has to be others….this kind of Psycho doesn’t stop at one or two….
What an interesting theory! I personally keep thinking it was the father too, or perhaps a teenage boy close to the family or part of the family.I get a sense of a secret and pain perhaps abuse and the need to cover it up or to end it.
What if the preacher witnessed it (just a thought), What if someone committed the act but someone with their own issues went in the house after?I also feel have this feeling the mother might of been a main target out of anger and hurt. Was the father having relations with Lena? So many thoughts.
“Police say Alex Michael Bullerman died after a shooting in the 2300 block of Olive St. He is 18 and from Waterloo. Police found him in the backyard. One hour later they found Dylan Gehrke. He has been treated and released for a gunshot wound.” Apparently, Gehrke hasn’t been able to ID the shooters?
Wow, I used to live in that gray house showed in the video and pics referenced in the linked article when I was a student at UNI. That is literally one block from the NE corner and “The Hill” where the bars, etc. starts.
It’s very unfortunate. I certainly don’t recall any gang activity at the UNI campus – and I spent a lot of time on “The Hill’ back in the day.
I wonder what the protocol was for showing the model home. I would like to think that you called and asked when you could visit, or did you just show up and walked in.
Also, was it normal for some from the realtor to be working in the model home. Was, there someone there every day, or just on Friday, leading into the weekend.
Was, the door locked or unlocked when someone from the realtor was working. Also, did she let the offender in. Was, there any fingerprints anywhere on the home.
Realtor is always spelled with a capital R. Martha has never been to Iowa. All the questions are valid, however model homes are consistently left unlocked if an agent is on the premise. All Realtors are real estate agents or brokers, however, not all real estate agents or brokers are Realtors. Realtors belong to the National Association of Realtors as well as the state and local associations, and has A Code of Conduct with very specific standards, just a bit more info you may not have in your repertoire. Martha is the author of the upcoming book, possibly completed in November, To Real Estate Agents and Brokers — Homicide and Other Subjects You Slept Through In Class. Be advised the number one cause of death of an agent on the job is homicide. Respectfully, Martha – a Realtor and licensed Broker in VA and NC.
Reading through the information, had I been Eric or Chris, I would have recommended meeting with the Investigator at the police department. What if Chris or Eric were the perpetrator? Anything is possible, and there has not been any other communication regarding this since February 10, 2018. Does anyone know if there has been an arrest? I am writing a book for Agents and Brokers – Homicide and other sujects you slept through in class. Homicide is the number one cause of death for agents on the job. Martha
Please add #justiceforRicky group on FB to follow the case and see documents that haven’t been released to the public.
ALSO IF ANYONE HAS ANY INFORMATION OR WANTS TO TALK NOW PLEASE GET A HOLD OF ME ON THIS PAGE ASAP, thank you.
My prayers to all the families. Let me say, I am not accusing anyone. My grandmother had a saying, if something isn’t where it’s supposed to be, check EVERYWHERE. Here goes…I hate to say it, but cases go cold because close evidence goes un checked. If you go back to the 1st anomaly, the boy allegedly did his route alone for the 1st time. Why didn’t his brother go? Did he really leave the house? New incidents of family hurting family, even accidentally was too harsh to be considered by police or the community back then. I am not throwing shade or saying I know the family or town. Just offering my opinion as a person who has seen the dark side of families through child welfare. The boy had a scar and a wrist break but no mention of his playing sports, (red flag #2). I think the towns folk should be questioned again, especially the school staff& neighbors. Someone knows more, but back then you didn’t speak on how a parent raised a child due to sovernty of a home and the religious beliefs not to judge. At this late date, someone has something to confess before meeting his or her maker. A polygraph test should be brought in.
I pray the property in & around the home is searched and clues to this poor boys body can be used to lay him to rest one way or another.
My gut feeling is that this one literally hits close to home. As for the witnesses to his talking to another male, in small towns, one day is the same as the next, so the witnesses my have gotten the dates mixed up or there may be a cover up. The description is too vague. As for the pedophile ring theory, plausible. If the father was ill at the time, then Eugene may have been coerced by the promise of money for doctors & medicine, in exchange for his “time”. There are all sorts of newspaper want ad’s written in code, offering cash for young men. Maybe an employee at the paper told Eugene to meet with someone who could “help” his family situation, but he had to go alone. Maybe the dad knew of the meeting and was against it, but gave in eventually, only to lose his boy. And he couldn’t come forward out of guilt or threats. And why on one poster it said eugene wore a crop top (“boy-toy” apparel for that day), but other reports say a sweatshirt? (Red flag #3), Then the manager finds the boy’s bag and finishes the delivery without ever going to the boy’s home or school to confront the kid? (red flag #4) either way. I say check the home& family, ask at the school. There is more to the story, at the beginnig.
There were found to be a few “Chesters” working for the Des Moines Register. One was incarcerated for sure and another was a known pedophile. There was a prostitution ring in Des Moines. The police and detectives knew it. Route managers knew the boys routes.
Nice analysis Cold case enthusiast. Same principle might apply to the Gosch kid as well. For years, block on 45th Street in West Des Moines where Johnny lived had a low chain link fence around the perimeters of the homes that are along Ashworth Road. Now, there is a 10-foot wooden privacy fences along the same property boundaries. As for the “Chester,” start with Frank Sykora and Wilbur Millhouse, both Des Moines Register circulation managers at the tome bot boys went missing. According to one former newspaper carrier, Millhouse said “Nothing would have happened to Johnny is he had kept his mouth shut.
According to some, all detective James Rowley would have had to do then or now was go talk to or polygraph or interrogate a member of his own then city council that happens to still live in the same town for the information. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Wonder why this never happened?
This fact that this case was never solved is insulting to the Martin family given the wealth of knowledge of the scrupulous characters that swarmed around at the time. This case and Gosch stink to high heaven of blackmail.
We were in elementary school when Eugene broke his wrist! I was with him when it happened!!! He fell off of the backside of the viaduct beside Willard school! I am the one who ran back to school and got help! And as for the scar on his knee… really? Most kids have scars on their knees… that in no way points to being abused at home!!! If he was abused at home there would have been a lot more than 1 scar!!!
He was my friend and a cousin to one of my childhood friends, he was a very kind, loving and compassionate boy from a very loving family!!!
I agree kids were in no way the way they are now outta control n disrespectful hell to have a paper route back then was just the beginning of learning to be a responsible young man
A few people have said on here, oh she doesn’t have a mean bone in her body, she could never do this ect ect ect. The fact is, YOU NEVER KNOW. Yes, she has been founded for Child Neglect. The paperwork from DHS does not lie…especially after multiple times. This was before Ricky died. Who’s to say that after it happened, she didn’t have a coming to Jesus moment, change her life around, become this great person you all claim that she is? Probably got her self saved and thought she was good to go…does not change the facts! It was deemed arson by official investigators. The child had an accelerate doused on him before being set on fire. People are saying let it go let him rest in peace, let the family get on with their lives ect…That can never happen till the truth has been known! Do you think Madiline McCanns parents have stopped wondering and looking? Natalie Hollaway? There are too many what ifs to let it just go. And if you are any type of parent at all if it was your child you would want to know too.
I think the whole thing was a cover up. The mothers relative was part of the neighbouring country attorney team. I knew one of the fire fighters that was there when they discovered little Rickys body. I happen to be Ricky Neal Morehouse III ‘s great uncle. The cold case crew for this incident should have the dacking or authority to get the files needed, released to open this case back up. Murder holds no statute of limitations. The case needs to be open and people brought to justice for this obvious hellatious crime. Just get it done please.
A family member of the father im bitter about how this has never been solved and justice served. County attourney was her uncle which is a conflict of interest on all accounts. Everytime .Visits made and reports of spoiled milk forks on floor or unsafe environment by DHS he wrote them off. so dont you think he is going to protect her in this? someone needs to take his files and stand up for Ricky please! Thanks Robin M and justice
I never heard about this case. Another Tech High grad was murdered in October 1983. His name is Jeffrey Deaver. That murder is an unsolved case as well. The weird fact is that Pennye was murdered one month before Jeff was killed on Jeff’s birthday.
Robin for one I was raised with that family, yes I I haven’t been around for yrs, but I do keep in contact with them. Also you can’t say that Rachel is my friend when you have no clue, I talk to Rachel, she was at a funeral the same as I. Do I have hard feelings for her, No, I guess I feel the entire story not just one side or what I’ve heard from this person or that person. My brothers beat beat f was shot point blank in the head, murdered, his fiance was also shot and survived, yesterday marked the anniversary of nothing being solved, my cousin was hit by a rock truck, he took his own life because of the brain damage he endured from that, do I hate anyone involved no, but I can stop to feel both sides. As I said before I didn’t say she did/didn’t do it, but it’s not meant to be online bashing people because in the end what will you get from it, it’s gonna make more hurt feelings, and you still have a baby that’s gone.
No not everyone knows the history as you, Rachel, Rick, and Reggy do. I just don’t agree that being online dive bombing everyones comment is gonna help anyone in the end, as you can not use any of the things you have exposed in a court setting now.
You’re right, not everyone knows the history like we do. We are trying to get it out there though and we will use every avenue available to us.
I reply to people because I want people to see the truth, as does Rick. I’m just more active on the internet than him and I have his full blessing. Ricky deserves justice. This is all for him. He didn’t deserve what happened to him. Everything can still be used against Rachel since there is no statute of limitations on murder.
I know as her friend and a mother yourself, it’s hard to imagine this happened. It was for us at first too. Obviously, you’re not going to change your mind today, but maybe someday when it all comes out. That will be soon. Just keep an open mind when you hear or see things about your friend that you probably don’t want to.
I don’t know you, so I have no hard feelings against you. What you are doing is what you think is right. I totally get it. Like I said, this is all for Ricky. I will never give up until justice is served.
I’m not here to say yes or no, but I do know alot of people whos hearts have hurt because of all this. I as a mother couldn’t imagine to purposely murder your own child, but as I have found mine almost dead from suicide.
No she didn’t; she transferred from the Atlantic Care center to the Lenox one. At that time it was the same company that owned both. I do not know if it is still though.
If she’s so guilty and have all these signs of her doing it, then why in the hell isn’t she paying for it, that’s right she pays for it every day just like you and Rick do, and his grandparents. I can’t imagine what it feels like to lose a child, but again there’s another child involved, the last time I seen Rachel in February, obviously Reggy still communicates with his mother and has that right, again I truly believe Reggy is the one who’s suffered the most out of this entire thing. It will never bring Ricky back, nobody will truly know what happened that day except the baby that’s in heaven.
That’s a perfect question to ask to Tim Kenyon. So go ask him. Make him explain why he failed at his job in representing Union County. I believe that has already been explained too though. It seems you only read what you want to.
I actually agree with you that Reggy has suffered more than anyone in this. I have never said he doesn’t communicate with her. I have even stated they had a good relationship up until fairly recently, when she tried to pawn her bills off on him.
We all know what happened. Some people just don’t want to admit it. Rachel herself places only her, Ricky and Reggy at the scene. The Fire Marshall also has determined the fire was arson. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
Pretty soon, and I mean very soon, people are going to see the truth. It has been years in the making, but it is going to come out. Rachel knows this as well. I wish I could tell you everything, but you’ll see soon enough for yourself.
Unfortunately, even though the death certificate was updated to the correct and factual cause of death… Union County will not proceed without new evidence. There are people out there … even a few at the scene of the crime, that police have not spoken to. They do not want to come forward and speak with law enforcement, due to the corruption and possible backlash from certain individuals.
Robin I’m well aware of what was said in other statements, and I myself know how the process goes when hired or already working at a place. Thank you though for attempting to point that out.
I have searched everywhere and can not find the address this took place at. I am curious at to the apt bldg supposedly straddling county lines or city/county lines. Could anyone provide an actual address so I can study the Creston map online?
It has been a lot of years ago and my memory of exactly where this woman lived is very fuzzy in my mind. I can’t give you an exact address, but I believe she lived in a small apartment bldg on Townline Road.
This street runs east/west at the north edge of Creston and at that time would have been the north city limits.
Highway 25 runs north from US Highway 34 toward the west side of Creston, then makes a 90 degree turn to the west. This is Townline Road. The apt would have been a few blocks to the east.
I hope someone can give you an exact address but hopefully this will help give you a general idea of where she lived.
I did not know her but did know Sheriff Loy and also knew Marion Manley who was on the Police dept. Manley was from my home town 32 miles east of Creston (Osceola, Iowa)
I knew both men personally. Totally trusted Manley. I had no idea of Loy’s affair and was very shocked when this came to light. He did not seem the sort to be anything but upstanding & honest.
I am sickened by the fact that this woman’s death was called an accident and so much was done to cover up the affairs.
She may well have died as the result of an accident, but the truth should have been told then. The cover-up was obviously, at the very least for the face saving of the County Attorney & the Sheriff.
That fucking killer still walks the streets and more people than me know it. I’m not going to write a book on here but the investigation was shit. That young man deserved better
In 1985 I was 17. I was at a police station in northern California when I saw the police sketch of an unknown Jane doe who was Bambi. It is something I always remembered. I prayed she would be identified. Rest in peace.
The police should probably look into Ronald Dilley and his father Cliff (who died shortly after Greg’s disappearance). Anonymous reports have been made regarding these two including reports that RJ told people about this crime. Considering Cliff served time for attempted murder and RJ is currently serving time for murder, the police maybe should’ve took those tips seriously.
Casey, I really hope you get the chance to read this. It sickens me to no end, how an “entire family” like yours, would go as far as “making/reporting a false alibi” to protect one of their own, for a crime the “entire family” knows damn good and well what your mother committed. Everyone knows that she didn’t act alone. Lie for her, try and play all innocent that she couldn’t have done such a thing. For Denial is a Sin that WILL NOT go unpunished. You and your “entire family” are all crazy and crooked. Know this, Terri will meet with her Maker, for what she’s done. Just because she got away with murder for 31 years, and was found not guilty, and walks free, makes me happy knowing that Judgment Day for her can’t come soon enough, and I guarantee she will ROT in Hell! Along with her accomplice(s)!!!
My ex wife and i use to pick up Kim in malmore she told us how afraid of les she was. Les Kennedy is An evil man I believe him and his creepy son killed Kim. Les was pointing the finger at everybody. I believe he did that to keep attention off himself. I believe Kim’s mom knows Les did this and she is protecting Les just like she did when Les was molesting the kids. I hope Les rots in hell.
LIES! I’ve seen the reports Les. I don’t know how long the paper trail has to be to get those kids out of there but I hope it’s soon. They will never talk because they are terrified of you but something don’t need words. Your day is coming Les. It’s coming.
I truly believe this is Les. The grammar and punctuation are deplorable. He is defending a man and woman ( Les and Joyce ) who have already killed one child and are now being charged with abusing a second generation of children. As for the screen name, he pours salt on the wound by misspelling their last name and using a common moniker for the now deceased Jacque as a first name. This man has terrorized a family for two generations, his wife is no better for allowing this to happen to her children and now her grandchildren while disguising herself as a godly woman.
I have read nearly all of the cold case files on here and this one haunts me. It defies belief. People do not vanish in one or two feed of water. Were scent dogs ever brought in? I only ask because going by the everything mentioned only a predatory animal could have snatched the poor boy that fast and taken off with him without anyone seeing or hearing it. Perhaps a mountain lion if it got his throat on its initial attack. Otherwise the screams would alert attention. I do hope my suspicions and/or comments do not offend anyone.
Can any of the critics of the police identify the county attorney, and all the assistants, on the street? Can the critics identify the district judges on the street? But the police drive around in marked cars, and in uniform, easily identified, so they are the target of all the blame. Here is an idea for the critics. Apply for a job as an officer, and see how the other half lives. And when you kiss your spouse and kids goodbye for work, you will be wearing a gun, and it could be your last goodbye. Or, next time you are assaulted, or are the victim of some crime, don’ t call the
police. Call the ACLU, and tell them to work the case, or intervene in the bar fight!
F. Lee Bailey when asked if O.J. was guilty, said ” It matters not whether he is innocent or guilty, all that matters is what the State can prove in court.” Rumor, innuendo, here say, and speculation are laughed out of court. FACTS are what are needed to convince
A jury to convict, or not. So before people blame the police for everything, they should really stop and consider how our system works. A lot of times people who hate the police have their own history with the police, and have a record. And by the way, stop trying to get out of jury duty.
Yellow Bag- You mentioned this character with the Ford Fairmont you thought he was wearing a blue and orange “paramedic” type jacket or maybe it was possibly a vest. Reflective high contrast safety vests or jackets are worn by folks in all kinds of professions. Baggage handlers at the airport, bus drivers, highway workers, railway workers etc. Tow truck drivers, long haul truckers and repo guys too.
I suppose it’s possible. It was snowing like crazy that morning, so he could have had any job that required a reflective jacket. Since I saw the man later with Wilbur Millhouse, a DM Register circulation manager, I wonder now if any Register employees had jobs that required the wearing of blue and orange reflective vests. One other thing that puzzles me: the man had dark hair, brown eyes, a mustache, and an average build, just like the “Emilio” sketch associated with the article above, however, the man who tried to get me into his Ford Fairmont was only 25 to 30 years old. I don’t remember thinking the man was Hispanic, just a Caucasian guy with dark hair and a very angry countenance. I distinctly recall that the man had an accent–not a foreign accent, but I got the impression he was not originally from Iowa (maybe New York, New Jersey, Boston, or somewhere else on the East Coast). He stopped and watched me for a while, then rolled down his window and motioned for me to come to his car. He asked me for directions to Ankeny, but then insisted I get into his car so I could get warm and he could help me finish my paper route. Six months later, when I heard Johnny was kidnapped by a guy in a Ford Fairmont, I had no doubt it was the same man.
Yellow Bag, did you see the comment from a girl named Sarah that does a podcast about the Johnny Gosch case? I’d be interested in hearing your story further and answering a few questions if you were to do an interview with Sarah. Just wanted to mention it again to be sure her comment didn’t get buried.
I would really, really like to know who “MT” is in this article. If anyone knows, please respond.
We bought a foreclosure a year ago in Keota, knew nothing about the town, etc. and had a stalker within the first couple months of living here. Having never lived in such a small community, I innocently posted an ad in the local library with a photo of my child and I (from behind) walking in an apple orchard, name, and contact information seeking childcare. Within a week we had some sicko pervert pedophile contacting me via a blocked number, saying disgusting things about what he was going to do to me when he “catches me” and that he watches my child play in our back yard. I reported it to the local police, they subpoenaed the harassers number via my cell company but they refuse to give it to me! All he tells me is he “isn’t local” which actually makes me think he IS local and is being protected.
After reading this article, I am definitely not surprised and it makes me even more uncomfortable living in this town :( I do not even go outdoors alone at night because we do not know who this person is. Nor do we really know many people, in general.
For a town recognized as “the most extroverted town in the US” via Wikipedia, it couldn’t be farther from the truth.
KJ,
So sorry to hear about your experience in my beloved town.
I would suspect that you’ve experienced some crappy luck.
We are very friendly.
We’ve had things happen but from my observation, every town does.
The town is presently investigating building a day care. Might suggest you go to a council meeting and inquire about volunteering for the committee.
Also, look up the Facebook group, Moms United in SE Iowa. Its geared towards moms networking and is run by a great local gal.
I’ve actually been discouraged from attending a school board meeting when I inquired about the dates.
Maybe I am “making too many waves” here? I tried to start a girl scout troupe, to no avail. I am unnaturally outspoken here, which is strange b/c I am an introvert but I just feel like more should be done that isn’t being done.That being said, I don’t know much about living in small town, rural Iowa.
I know there are some really good people here (our neighbor is like family, sweetest person I’ve ever met reminds me of my grandmother) but everyone here is related so it’s hard to acclimate to the environment. I’ve never lived in such a small community. I was hoping it would be more like I had envisioned small towns to be.
Please don’t be offended. I am ignorant in regard to rural Iowa.I guess just imagined outgoing, friendly neighbors, and block parties like I experienced in AZ.
And we acquired a stalker within the first few months of living here. That doesn’t exactly make me feel comfortable here.
I was told this pervert in the article referred to as “MT” is now deceased so he cannot be our stalker, which is more unsettling b/c it’s hard not knowing who this person is. There is something so terrifying about someone calling you, by name, and telling you that they watch your child play and basically want to brutally rape you. I clearly never should have put up that sign in the library. Whether he was just doing it to scare me or not, somebody doesn’t want us here.
Thanks for the info on a “moms group” I will have to check it out.
School board meetings are generally open to the public. Minutes and agenda are posted in The Keota Eagle.
Might want to get associated with one of the local churches.
Report this stalker to Doug Conrad.
Volunteer in her child’s classroom. I know it’s the end of the year but you might be able to still get in.
It must be very difficult to move to a small community when you’re not from the area.
Go ahead a message the administrator for the Moms from SE Iowa. I know that she would be delighted to hear from you.
I understand it’s open to the public but I was discouraged from coming.
And I did report the stalker to the local police officer to no avail.
It’s fine. I am pretty sure we are selling and moving out of area.
I’ve seen enough.
You were wise to move out of Keota. That gal that was acting like it was your fault…was a few years younger than me in school. She married into a family with a big farm and money. She’s in la la land. Be glad your daughter was in school in Kalona! No, I’m sure they don’t have block parties there. People sit in their garages and drink beer. They wear Hawkeye gear like no tomorrow, but most of them never left town to go to college.It is sad that no one looked for Aaron. If he had the right name, they would all be looking. I wouldn’t move to Keota if you gave me a free house and paid me. Hope you are happier now that you’ve moved on.
KJ, I doubt you will look at this, since it has been a month since you posted. I actually agree 100% about this town. It is probably “beloved” if you have the right name in town. A friend of mine moved here and her daughter was assaulted (high schooler). It was he said/she said and the he was from a well connected family in town, Well, you can imagine how that ended. They ended up moving after 3 years. It was so hush hush, that probably no one knows that this happened. You won’t find block parties in Keota.
Keota is not friendly and very unwelcoming. I’ve been here 8 years. My kids spent all of 2 weeks in this school and was moved back to Washington schools as my daughter was tormented and called nasty names and one certain kid had all the boys calling her the nasty names in the halls and then she had enough and punched him square in his nose in the middle of class after throwing pencils at her. I FINALLY got a call from the school after that incident. As far as the town cop investigating. It’s who you know and who you blow for him. We had brand-new tires stolen out of our yard, along with my husband’s child hood redline bicycle frame and a few other things. No report was made as police officer Conrad never came to file a report. But let my dog get off the chain and they do everything they can to deem her dangerous and fine us and take us to court to get rid of her. Sad that this man Did not get the attention he deserved and needed to be located back then because of who he was and where he lived. This town is unpleasant and If we didn’t own our house outright with no mortgage I would have packed up and left week 2 of living here!
#aaronpate
Me and my older sister, Lois, were children of Elmer Roy Jellison.
My mother considered her in a common-law marriage with Elmer.
My mother’s name was Mary Ernestine Larkey but know at the time as Mary (Marie) Leidigh. Elmer never accepted us as his to
keep face with Ethyl, his second wife.
Thanks for the info Yellow Bag. Maybe Sykora took over while Millhouse recovered from the heart attack. The key to the case is motive and you have presented a compelling motive for Johnny’s disappearance and most likely murder. However, that begs the question, why was Martin killed? Did he or was he about to expose some of the same illicit behavior Johnny mentioned. Johnny had to talk about what he knew to at least one of his parents, or maybe law enforcement.
Noreen book has an interesting story at the start talking about the events leading up to the disappearance. She discusses how Johnny left his seat at a Friday night Valley High School football game two times, and both times, Leonard Gosch found Johnny talking to a West Des Moines cop under the bleachers.
There are so many things that make no sense on this case. I could go on for hours. One of the strangest is Johnny’s step siblings have never been interviewed by the media and frankly, I have no idea where they live. According to Noreen, both step-siblings were present at what she refers to as “The Last Supper.
The fact that both boys went along to deliver newspapers for the first time the3 day they disappeared speaks volumes about what happened.
Unfortunately, I do not have any first-hand information on the Martin kidnapping. In the summer of 1983, I started to get creeped out by Millhouse calling me every night trying to talk me into coming to his home. When I refused, I heard an anger and an evil in his voice I had never heard before. Also, as I posted before, three teens boys who were visiting a girl across the street saw Millhouse dropping me off at my house after buying me beer. The boys lived in West Des Moines and had delivered newspapers there. When Millhouse was gone, the boys warned me that Millhouse was a “faggot” and that I ought to stay away from him. I stopped answering my teen line phone, and I told my mother to tell Millhouse I was not home every time Millhouse called our home phone. Around that time, I also had a vivid nightmare that Millhouse tried to drag me into his car. I took that as a warning from God or my subconscious that I ought to stay away from Millhouse.
I did not know this until recently, but I spoke with my mother about Millhouse, and she actually remembers him showing up at our house one night when I was not home, shedding crocodile tears because I quit talking to him. Around that time, Millhouse had his heart attack. I turned 16 and had a car, so that fall I was able to find a better job and leave the DM Register.
Last night, I was able to confirm through online research that Millhouse died in 2015. He is buried in the Leavenworth National Cemetery with a military headstone that mentions his Vietnam service. In some ways, I am disappointed Millhouse is dead. I had hoped an investigator would get a chance to question Millhouse about what happened to the missing paperboys. It also steams me that Millhouse was buried with military honors. I am a combat vet myself. I don’t care if Millhouse killed 100 enemy soldiers of saved his Army platoon. After the war, Millhouse was a convicted pedophile and admitted accessory to a kidnapping at best, and possibly a serial killer at worst. That ought to negate any military service he had. His body should have been disposed of in a trash dumpster!
My best guess is that Millhouse was the “brains” of the Register’s pedophile ring, and the Ford Fairmont guy the “muscle.” There were several other Register employees who hung around with Millhouse. One in particular I will just call Slimy Dufus Guy (I cannot remember his name). Since Johnny’s kidnapping happened 35 years ago, Fairmont guy should only be around 60, and Slimy Dufus Guy 55 years old. There must be multiple people out there who know exactly who Millhouse hung out with and what happened to Johnny and Eugene. Hopefully, one of them will read these posts and speak up.
You have written about Millhouse and Sykora. Lou Cooke took Johnny for an airplane ride over the Des Moines area as the reward for winning a sales contest. Did you ever deal with Cooke or Charles Edwards Jr., who was the Circulation Director at the Register during the time when Johnny disappeared?
Don Potochny and Yellow Bag, I don’t know if you saw my comment but I do a podcast called Faded Out, in which I’m following the Johnny Gosch case with the goal in mind to solve it. This is genuinely fascinating information that you’ve both brought forward. I’d really like to talk to each of you. My e-mail is fadedoutpodcast@gmail.com. Don, I see you put down your e-mail address, so I hope it’s okay if I send you a note this week.
Hello Sarah. I apologize for not responding to your message from May 3.. My tunnel vision made me miss your comment. I will check out your podcast for sure and feel free to email me at your convenience.
Hopefully Yellow Bag will get in touch with you because he is the one who has made all of the contributions shedding new light (at least for me) on the case.
I typically enter the Johnny rabbit hole at night, but not every night. If I do not respond to an email promptly, it is most likely because of my workload as a freelancer.
I have been independently researching the JG case for awhile now. I live in central Iowa, and have previously lived in Southside Des Moines. I would love the opportunity to talk with you about your knowledge on the case. If you are interested in speaking, please reach out to me. ouimetbridgettel@gmail.com
Don Potochny, you say: “Noreen book has an interesting story at the start talking about the events leading up to the disappearance. She discusses how Johnny left his seat at a Friday night Valley High School football game two times, and both times, Leonard Gosch found Johnny talking to a West Des Moines cop under the bleachers.”
Do you know of Leonard Gosch has ever backed this up?
Millhouse was about as tall as Johnny, but weighed around 10 pounds less than Johnny.
I remember driving back to Des Moines from St. Louis several times and there was no development around Four Mile Creek. You are correct the perp had little time, but he did have 45 minutes before sunrise. On September 5, 1982, the sun rose of course, but thick clouds darkened the sun’s entrance into the day.
I’m thinking more along the lines of a remote area back then that no one would walk through, such as what is now Four Mile Creek Park near Easton Boulevard or Strasser Woods State Preserve. The Bottoms works as well, since it is near the Des Moines River.
The fact that both Johnny and Eugene Martin did not leave any evidence of a struggle tells me both boys got into a car driven by someone they knew.
I have read about the Morris murder and read Millhouse’s Register quote.
The reason I suspect the Bottoms is that Millhouse tried to get me to drive out there at night and meet him behind his house. I see, now, that there are some houses behind his house, but that may not have been the case back in the early 80’s. There has been a little bit of development in that area. I may drive out there sometime and take a look.
One other thing that puzzles me is why Johnny and Eugene were both kidnapped on Sunday mornings. The Sunday morning newspaper routes were completely separate from the Register weekday routes. When I started delivering newspapers, the Des Moines Tribune came out in the afternoon, so there were actually 3 separate newspaper routes in each neighborhood: the Tribune, the weekday Register, and the Sunday Register. One carrier could take all 3 routes if he were ambitious, or it could have been 3 different carriers.
I can only speculate, but the Sunday newspapers were very heavy. It was impossible to carry a full route of Sunday newspapers in our yellow bags. Unlike the weekday newspapers, the Sunday papers were dropped off in front of the carriers’ houses. We had to take them indoors and actually assemble the newspapers. Since the Sunday newspapers were so heavy, it was best to “stage” them along the route, then go back and deliver them. If the kidnappers were Register employees, which is what I believe, then they may have offered the carriers rides to help stage bundles of newspapers along the routes. During weekday routes there would be no reason to offer or accept a ride.
Also, I wouldn’t rule out Marc Allen’s abduction just because he was not a newspaper carrier. Millhouse had a heart attack in 1983 and stopped working for the Register at that time. When Millhouse was arrested in 1986, he apparently was using some kind of telephone “chat line” to meet teenage boys. Losing his job with the Register changed Millhouse’s approach to his sexual crimes.
I took the time this morning to read Eugene’s page on this website. The detective in the case questioned why no newspaper carriers were kidnapped between Johnny (1982) and Eugene (1984). Remember, Millhouse almost died from a heart attack in 1983. It took him a year to get back on his feet. Another pretty startling coincidence.
I was born in Sioux City and lived the horror of the Davis and Bremers murders. I was attending Irving School at the time. We lived 3-4 blocks from Irving. My father had the most direct route from school to home figured out , and if I deviated from the route, he was out looking for me. Things were never the same after these two events.
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Well David it’s April 2018 I miss you more and more every day and I know you would be proud of your boys Greedy is getting yourself out of trouble and Darius 💰 Will David it’s April 2018 I miss you more and more every day and I know you would be proud of your boys Greedy is getting yourself out of trouble and Darius 💰💰💰 well you know he was the go-getter he’s a junior in college and deciding to maybe transfer to the army out of the Marines he wants to go on for more years of college to graduate with his masters and David wants to get out and he’ll take care of his mom these kids remind me so much of you day in and day out so many memories and so many of your traits come through them I miss you more than life itself I just want you to know how much we miss you and we will be to see you and there’s never a day that goes by that I don’t think about you I drop a tear at least once a week You are my knight in shining armor and nobody is ever set up to be half the man that you were to me I love and miss you dearly
There was a group of pedos working at Register at the time Gosch and Martin were abducted. There were also several subsequent abduction attempts after 1984, as meticulously researched by someone who started a Reddit thread.
More than on online poster has called out Millhouse and Frank Sykora, the latter whom was fired from the Register in late 1984 for having molested at least seven Register paper boys.
For a few years, Noreen was all over the Register connection. She even implored parents not to deliver for the kids to deliver for the Des Moines Register.
Yes, Johnny and Eugene were victims of a pedophile ring, but the ring operated in Des Moines, not Omaha.
Is it just me or is it odd that the manager found Eugene’s papers outside of des moines, and finished his route? How the heck did he know where to find them?
Sorry about the late reply, Cw. What’s just as strange is Johnny Gosch’s father finished his son’s paper route after finding the abandon wagon.
That said, the trail for finding who took Johnny and Eugene goes through Des Moines, not Omaha. Des Moines Register Circulation Manager, Frank Sykora, went to prison for molesting 7 Register paperboys. We was outed by Noreen’s private investigator, Sam Soda.
Omaha involved high profile politicians and business leaders. In Des Moines, it was Register Circulation Managers. According to one former Register paperboy, Circulation Manager Wilbur Millhouse told people “Johnny wouldn’t have disappeared if he had kept his mouth shut..”
Johnny either told his parent or law enforcement, or both, because shortly after the Register transfered Millhouse to a much less lucrative route on the east side of Des Moines and with his job hanging in the balance, Johnny disappeared.
Not odd at all, he kneow the route, he started where the first complainant said they never got their paper and worked backwards, finding the papers abandoned he probably figured the kid abandoned his job and just quit.
“There was a group of pedos working at Register at the time Gosch and Martin were abducted. ”
And at the local churches, and at the supermarket, library, nearby businesses, schools, daycare centers, retirement homes etc., in short- pedophiles are EVERYWHERE not just working in a newspaper!
I really don’t know why but I’ve always remembered this case. I didn’t know Ramona and had no idea who she is until I heard about her murder. I would love to talk to family members to let them know that she’s being remembered even by strangers who didn’t know her.
“A friend stopped by Pruin’s home the following day and found the door open about four inches, the keys still in the outside lock. After calling out to Pruin and getting no response, the friend left.”
Some friend..
Did this friend already know what was inside if he or she went in?
I was witness to a confession to the murder of Melvin Gallagher by one of the participants to my mother while living in RR Black Hawk county south west of Eagle Center, Iowa. “Bub” White a cousin by my fathers ‘aunts’ grandson was “laying low” because he and his father ‘Bob’ White had killed a service station man in Waterloo with a 20 ga shotgun while robbing a gas station. Bub was at my mothers’ house during the following fall coon hunting season and this was his way of “laying low” to get the heat off. I have tried for the last eight or so years to clear this matter up with the Waterloo police, the last contact as late as last summer. No confirmations or actions acknowled by same.
Kelly, the WPD had no interest in reopening the death of Debra Dawn Sadler mentioned in a comment below when I got in contact with them. They apparently believed the mother’s story that she had died of massive head injuries after falling off of a chair. Incompetent fools. I grew up in Eau Claire Wisconsin where back in the 1960’s the cops weren’t buying into anyone’s story about a baby falling down and dying- in Eau Claire this stuff got prosecuted as child abuse even back in the 1960’s. I know that you are commenting about a NON-child case, but the WPD’s pattern of not following up and not doing their jobs is demonstrated by their nonchalance about a baby being beaten to death.
I agree with Mr. Kerrigan. Has her vehicle been found. Has it checked through the National Insurance Crime Bureau, to see what information they might have. I am sure the police would have the VIN on the vehicle.
Also, there is no further information on the cause of the fire and whose bedroom was damaged. Also, what property can’t they search. It would be nice to purchase it and then the authorities to do whatever they need to search it.
We still wait to recover BethAnns remains.. Please.. Her kids and extended family still suffers today.. The small bit of info could crack this case open..
Yes, they are remains of an Arkansas police officer.
My thoughts are something happened in her bedroom and the boyfriend who claimed she was still alive was lying. My condolences for her family. Not knowing is the hardest part.
I have always prayed that this case would be solved. Thank you for the cold case work.
Jim Weaver, Grinnell High School Class of ‘77
Friend of Camille Njus
Hi, I am Camille’s cousin and wondered who she was seeing at the time of her death? I was a child when this happened, but I never heard about him as a possible suspect.
My daughter knows someone who has told her things but said she would deny it if anyone was told. Pretty sure plenty of the same group of people know what happened to my brother.
Pretty sure her ex husband who operated backhoe equipment did it. She lived next door to her ex in laws and he was the last one to see her. I am guessing there is lack of physical evidence
Barbara, appears to have suffered a bout of dissociative fugue, which is a version of amnesia. This is triggered by depression, PTSD, marital discord. The person loses all their regular memories, assumes another identity and flees the source of trauma.
She most likely is some where in the country, possibly living on the margins. I recommend that her family reach out to the Salvation Army, and many of the well known homeless shelters. One of them is Pacific Garden Mission.
Sounds like it was an accident on a foggy morning with the culprit leaving the scene. But we are being fed accusations of deliberation with no motive being provided. The whole “video speed” argument is inconsequential as even still images should have sufficed. I am led to believe the judge allowed this argument because an over zealous district attorney was not being allowed to throw the book at him. Again, I am only assuming this from this page and the local news videos provided. Please enlighten me if I am wrong.
I should clarify that if the DA had decided to charge him with manslaughter and leaving the scene that the video speed argument would have been struck down.
A poster on another forum spent considerable time researching a timeline to the attempted abductions of Des Moines Register paperboys after Gosch and Martin. Millhouse went to prison and shortly thereafter, the attempted abductions stopped.
Research I have performed indicates Noreen at one time believed the Register was protecting an employee who was considered a pedophile I wonder if the employee was Milhouse.
From what I remember, Wilbur Millhouse was very angry about being transferred from West Des Moines to the Fourmile area of east Des Moines shortly before Johnny was kidnapped in 1982. Millhouse did not tell me why he was transferred, but he did tell me he had fallen out of favor with Register management and that his job was in jeopardy. Millhouse asked me to help him with a little scam in which Millhouse would pay me to gather names and addresses of Register non-customers, offer them the newspaper at no charge, record them as new customers to temporarily inflate Millhouse’s circulation numbers, then gradually cancel the new customers later. Millhouse paid for those newspapers out of his own pocket so he could keep his job.
Millhouse told me that he was not Johnny’s direct supervisor, but that he knew Johnny because Johnny delivered newspapers in an adjacent district in West Des Moines. Millhouse told me on more than one occasion that Johnny was kidnapped “because he couldn’t keep his mouth shut.” Millhouse became visibility agitated and angry when talking about Johnny Gosch.
This is pure speculation on my part, but I wonder now if Millhouse’s transfer had something to do with the Register finding out that Millhouse was a pedophile. The Register may have been shuffling circulation managers in the 80’s the way the Catholic church shuffled abusive priests. Millhouse was a big money-maker for the Register; I Googled Millhouse’s name and found an old Register page from I believe 1979 or 1980 reporting that Millhouse was “circulation manager of the year.”
It has never been publicized, but I suspect now that Johnny either told someone or planned to tell someone about Millhouse or one of Millhouse’s Register associates grooming or trying to sexually abuse him. Millhouse’s anger toward Johnny may have been due to the fact that Johnny got Millhouse transferred and nearly cost Millhouse his job. I was just a teenager then, but I would imagine that many of the Register employees from the 80’s are still alive and would be able to provide more information about Millhouse and the pedophile ring that existed within the Des Moines Register.
Just for clarification, nearly all of the circulation managers I worked with as a Des Moines Register paperboy were good people. Millhouse, though, was a sexual predator who hung out with a very small group of creepy men. After 35 years, I can remember a couple of faces, but no names. I distinctly remember that Millhouse brought a couple young men (approximately 18 to 20 years old) with him to Register functions. Millhouse introduced them as former paperboys of his. I suspect now that they were involved with helping Millhouse in his evil deeds.
Hey Yellow Bag. Sorry for the delayed response. I checked back here a few times for about two weeks after I posted my message. Your reply was not there. Pretty weird.
I want to ask you if you knew two Des Moines Register paperboys at the time you delivered Register newspaper.
Shawn Williams and Brian Hikock. I have met Brian and he says he delivered Register papers near the route Johnny deliver Sunday Registers. I know about Shawn because I used to work for his mother at a Court Avenue restaurant between February 1983 and August 1984.
Also, I have conducted research by reading the microfilm documentation of Des Moines Register newspapers starting the day after Johnny disappeared until about two months after that. There are plenty of discrepancies between the official story told by Noreen now and what she believed happened to Johnny back in the 1980s.
She was quoted in a northern Iowa newspaper in the 1980s warning parents not to allow their kids to deliver Des Moines Register newspapers because she believed the perp in her son’s case worked at the Register.
The names of the two newspaper carriers don’t ring a bell. Then again, 35 years ago was a long, long time.
I remember my manager’s name before my family moved and I went to work for Millhouse. She was a nice lady who went by “Bert,” I am guessing short for Roberta. She would have known Millhouse since they worked together. Millhouse’s boss was a pretty blond lady named Vicky. I worked for her after Millhouse had his heart attack in 1983. I Googled her name, and it looks like she still lives in the DM area. If you want her last name, please give me an email address and I will contact you directly.
I try to check the ICC website a couple times a week to see if any new information has come up on the Johnny Gosch page. An investigator I spoke with was honest enough to admit the law enforcement investigation had serious flaws, and chances are police will never solve this crime. I feel like I have laid down the few pieces of the puzzle I have held for many years. Other people are adding pieces now. Maybe at some point, a writer or investigative reporter will put the pieces together and finally solve the mystery of Johnny’s disappearance (and probably Eugene and Marc’s too).
I have never met Noreen. I left her a voice message and sent an email, but she never responded. My guess is that she was correct to initially suspect Register employees in Johnny’s disappearance, but later got duped by private investigators. From what I’ve read, it was common practice in the past for private investigators with no real leads to create elaborate conspiracy theories involving politicians and powerful people. That would justify years of investigation, explain their inability to get an indictment, and keep their paychecks coming the whole time.
If I were working to solve Johnny’s disappearance, I would try to locate former Register carriers and employees (as you are doing). It might also be worthwhile to check Millhouse’s former property. Millhouse lived in the area people used to call “The Bottoms.” On multiple occasions, Millhouse tried to convince me to drive to his house late at night without telling my parents. Millhouse called me one night saying there was a cute female carrier there who was looking for a teen boy to have sex with. Millhouse another time said he had a rich gay friend who would pay $100 “just to look.” There were other times Millhouse said he had work for me to do there. His excuse for wanting me to come late at night is that he did not want to wake his elderly mother. I am glad I had sense enough to stay away from Millhouse’s home, but I wonder how many boys did go there. If you Google map Millhouse’s old address, there is a wooded area and a pond directly behind his old house. Hmmm….
Also, the guy who drove the Fairmont was out in a blizzard and looking very wide awake when he tried to get me into his car around 6 AM. He looked like a guy who had worked the night shift and was just getting off work, not like a guy who just woke up. He was wearing a very distinctive blue and orange jacket, leading me to think he was a local paramedic or fire fighter. I don’t remember seeing any insignia. I suppose he could have been a Register employee, but why the jacket? It might be worthwhile to research if any employees of a local fire department or private ambulance service were ever convicted of sex crimes in the 80’s.
I am certain Millhouse was involved in Johnny’s disappearance. Heck, was going around back then telling everyone why Johnny had to disappear. My mother is still alive, and she remembers Millhouse saying something strange about Johnny to her. What I don’t know, is if Millhouse was “ringleader” of the Register’s pedophile club, or if he was just the guy who rounded up boys for other men to abuse. I am optimistic, though, that someday the truth will be revealed and this huge mystery will be solved.
There was another DM Register circulation manager, named Frank Sykora, who was convicted of sexually abusing carriers in 1984. Sykora was apparently cleared by polygraph in the Gosch and Martin disappearances. Whether Sykora and Millhouse had any connection, I do not know.
Thanks for getting back with me. The poster who uploaded a map of the attempted newspaper carrier abductions post Gosch and Martin has performed some amazing research. At this point, he is the leader of the movement to discover the truth.
I will leave you an email address at a future date. Spend some time reading the Des Moines Register microfilm resource at the downtown branch of the Des Moines Public Library.
I’ll check out the possible Sykora-Millhouse connection. I think there is something there, considering they worked for the register around the same time.
Marc David Allen should not be connected with Gosch and Martin. His disappearance had nothing to do with a Sunday morning paper route. He disappeared in the middle of the afternoon.
I find it strange both Johnny and Eugene disappeared on a morning when it was the first time either boy had an adult accompany him on a Sunday Register newspaper route.
I have not forgot about sending you my email address. I am in the process of creating an author and writer site. Once I establish an email address for the site, I will forward it to you.
You have provided helpful information and yes, I would like any names you can provide to perform research in addition to what I have done reading Des Moines Register microfiche stories of the case.
One thing I have thought about the past couple of days. You mentioned Millhouse was transferred to the Flour Mile area of Des Moines, which is on the east side. Back in the day,Four Mile Creek ran through mostly undeveloped land and today-outside of Pleasant Hill-it still does.
There has bee speculation for years the perp dumped Johnny’s body along either Walnut Creek or Jordan Creek. Heck, even Noreen claimed not one, but two psychics told her she could find Johnny’s body near a creek.
Why not Four Mile Creek? You said Millhouse had it out for Johnny for at least exposing the actions of pedophiles who worked for the Register. It is possible that if you are correct, Millhouse and one or more of his sick buddies killed Johnny and buried him on the east side of Des Moines.
I think that if Johnny was dumped along a creek, his body would have been found long ago. Those urban streams may look desolate in places, but there are mushroom hunters, hikers, kids catching tadpoles, walnut collectors, and even homeless people frequenting those creek beds.
Millhouse lived on Maury Street, right next to Dean Lake, in the area people call the Bottoms. There was not much there in the 80’s other than swampy places, trees, junkyards, and slaughterhouses. In 1973, David Morris, a Jewish grocer who had a store directly across the street from Millhouse, was robbed and murdered. Morris was shot in the back of the head with a .32 caliber pistol. A neighbor named Robert Braather said that Morris was killed in the store two hours after it closed, and that Morris would only have unlocked that store door for someone in the neighborhood he knew quite well. Hmmm…
Interestingly, the Des Moines Register also interviewed Millhouse, who would have been working for them at the time. Millhouse talked about how well-liked Morris was, and said of Morris, “When I was little, he used to give me candy.” Millhouse also revealed that he (Millhouse) had lived in that neighborhood since 1955. I have speculated enough about Millhouse on this website, so I am not going to type it, but you know exactly what I am thinking!
If Johnny was killed to shut him up, which is what Millhouse was blabbing about right after Johnny disappeared, then it is likely the kidnapper already had a plan to dispose of Johnny’s body. The sun would have come up soon after Johnny’s disappearance, so the perp would have been in a big hurry to get Johnny out of West Des Moines and into a remote area (like the Bottoms) before daylight.
Millhouse had a sexual interest in teen boys, not in younger ones. Millhouse’s last sex offender mugshot showed him at 5′ 7″ and 130 lbs. Johnny was actually bigger than Millhouse. Millhouse, though, was part of a small group of pedophiles, some of whom worked for the Des Moines Register. If Millhouse had help, possibly a gun, and maybe some previous experience with killing, well, you may find yourself writing a very interesting book.
Hi, this reply is for Don and Yellow Bag, and anyone else on this thread providing all this information. My name is Sarah DiMeo and I do a podcast called Faded Out, in an effort to solve the Johnny Gosch case. You can find it on iTunes, Spotify, iHeartRadio, pretty much all avenues for podcasts, or the direct link fadedout.libsyn.com. I’ve been obsessed with Johnny’s case for well over a year now, and I started the podcast in February while I was a student at the Connecticut School of Broadcasting. I would really really like to talk to each of you. Please give my podcast a listen so you can see the direction I’m aiming for, and please e-mail me at fadedoutpodcast@gmail.com.
Bernice Row was hit by a hit and run driver on Oct 20-1940 in Sioux City, To my knowledge no one was ever arrested for her death. Her death certificate reads: Homicide? Accident?
Mike, thanks for catching that; obviously it should have been “slug” rather than “casing” and I’ve corrected that. I’d typed up the initial case summary based on notes from phone conversations and email correspondence with others, along with references to the data cited from Gary Peterson’s post at the findjodi.com website. My fast-typing fingers appear to have gotten ahead of me as I went through my notes. Can’t believe I didn’t catch it at the time. Thanks again.
Okay if it was the spent bullet laying there it would have had to go through him and I thought the report said that the bullet went into the ceiling. It would have then had to fall next to the gun. Makes no sense.
I would have shot those bastards entering my property as a clear threat. Family is so important, sometimes the law is corrupt when big dollars are involved. However there are good cops and detectives out there that could solve this. Sounds like a movie with small town rednecks and a redneck sheriff. Come on to my property and see what happens. This is devastating and I feel so sorry for this family!!
Corey, My Appeal to the Supreme Court of Iowa 17-1933 for the Polk County Courthouse Dismissal of my Civil Rights Case CVCV046761 (saying it was untimely) charges the State of Iowa and the Iowa DNR to honor my Civil Rights, my Rights to my Property, my information, denied since 1993 including contaminant well test reports and even the information and evidence of both the murders of my husband, Gary and son, Adam Lack after their murders and my harassment by the Iowa DNR’s Dale Adams and Russ Tell and Iowa FSA’s Charlie Heiderschiet since 1993. And the Iowa DNR had promised to warn the 1/2 million Iowans in Russ Tell’s mapped out Plume of contamination in 2009, but at my deposition in June of 2015 promised again that in just 45 days from my deposition, they would warn well owners in the Plume, and restart investigations into both Adam’s and Gary’s deaths. Then both my attorney and the Asst. Attorney General’s attorney reneged on their promises and claimed it was to POLITICAL to tell Iowans they were drinking the Koch Brothers Anhydrous Ammonia Nitrogen fertilizer. So the Republican leadership claimed they could not tell Iowans of the Anhydrous Ammonia levels increasing to unheard of levels that were documented increasing in the Iowa DNR published research of Paul Johnson and Robert Libra. I tried to get the Iowa DNR to alter their Chlorination Protocol, so the Iowa DNR stops advising well owners to Chlorinate Source Water testing high in Ammonia Nitrogen as (N) and Cyanobacteria as that causes the release of very carcinogenic Cyanotoxins and Trihalomethanes and other decontaminants into Iowans drinking water, as it did into my home’s, pets, and farm animals water. I have spent $40,000 on attorney fees so far on this Civil Rights case and was promised the Iowa DNR would warn Iowans in the Plume back in 2009 however Russ Tell has still refused to warn the 1/2 million Iowans whose health has been put at risk in this one Plume. I have been refused an attorney to represent my Rights to safe drinking water, my property Rights, and my Rights to Protection from harassment, or even my Rights to Justice or Rights to Life in Iowa for my family and Downstream neighbors for this civil rights suit that I have to file pro se, please help me find an Iowa attorney to stand up for the 1/2 million Iowans in this one documented growing Plume mapped out by Russ Tell. Veronica Lack
I am terribly sorry for the loss of your husband and son, such an awful thing.
I’m not saying that I don’t believe what you are saying, sounds like you have a lot of proof. None of it sounds far fetched at all…money is the root of all evil.
I have a question, how do you know that impala turned and blocked the road? Maybe you have that info, maybe a witness? Just curious if only that car and your son were there.
Like I said, I believe what you are saying, this just popped in my head.
It was either Deputy Hintz or Sheriff Younker who mentioned something about that, when I was filing a request to Prosecute form. I had identified Brody Mitchell’s Chevy Impala and who I thought was Bradley Johnson jumping into the passenger side (light came on). As Adam drove home from Poet’s Ethanol Plant on the night of 7/12/2008.
Charles was my nephew he was a very great father to his kids everybody loved him we all miss him his laughter his loving us we just want the people that know what happened to my nephew to come forward and say what they saw and help catch the person that did this to my nephew it’s been too long and we want Justice for him and we want it now there’s other family members on here that I feel sorry for and I hope they all find Justice for them to nobody in this world should have to go through what all these families are having to go through somebody needs to come forward and tell the truth and be honest because I know there’s somebody out there and I know this is eating them up so they should just come forward I will miss seeing him grow up I will miss seeing him get married I will miss everything about his life I love you Charles forever and always
As pauls sister, who always looked out for me when i needed him too, 2019 we still have not been notived about any kind of closer or neither found out who had done this. Paul never hurt no one…. Paul i think of you often, i wonder what you would like at the age of 51 ,where would you be living, would of you had a family a wife, i just wish you were here…. With love your sister michelle brule, stephens, bell
Lies. She has never been on child abuse registry & has always had custody of the boys. There also were never any unexplained injuries. Although stepmom continually reported her to DHS, no reports were ever found to be true.
I have seen the reports…yes, she was founded of child neglect/abuse… multiple times. Have you asked Rachel about it?
Perhaps, you’re unaware that ‘criminal’ charges are not always pressed when someone is founded of child abuse. Basically, someone can be on the child abuse registry and not have a felony or misdemeanor for child abuse…make sense? Why would someone not be charged criminally one would ask? Well, great question…the last founded report from what I can tell was finished after the fire. In the report, it was recommended that Rachel be criminally prosecuted…however, she never was.
Would you like to see the reports? I have them all and I’m willing to show them unlike her. It wasn’t just me that reported the injuries to Reggy either. Several people did including the hospital. They called because we couldn’t explain his broken leg. Why couldnt we you ask? Because she couldn’t either and it happened in her care, yet we were the ones to finally take him to a doctor. That and he had stiches above his brow, completely bruised up back from being hit by Jeff, and was involved in a single car accident while riding with Jeff because Jeff was driving drunk.
False statements are here. The mother spent several days in hospital due to injuries. Twin brother smelled like smoke as he was rescued from house by the mother.
Damn!! She is one ugly woman. She needs the firing squad. My ex wife was charged with child endangerment for slapping my son around. She lost her rights as well. And this fat piece of white trash still walks the streets??! You must have the worst set of investigators. There is enough evidence to charge her just based on reading the story. Sick baby killer. How you can put your ugly mug on Facebook is beyond me!! You need a new sheriff in the office!
Wilbur Millhouse was a circulation manager for the Register at the time both Johnny and Eugene were abducted. He is a convicted pedophile and on other forums, several former newspapers carriers in Des Moines believe he had something to do with both cases.
The first question you have to ask is it just coincidence that the two boys disappeared delivering newspapers on a Sunday morning for the first time without adult supervision.
I rode together In the Des Moines Commuter Club with Mary Senne to Iowa State. I barely knew her but have never since forgotten her name. Every few years I am saddened to discover her murder has not been solved. I hope to see justice in my lifetime.
It’s a hard day today for many people I’m sure …Including myself. I’ve been turned around by every official involved in this case, and when an opportunity came to help open this investigation, it was turned down. For anyone who thinks this will be another lost case after my thesis is done, you’re wrong. I won’t stop…I can’t stop, the media is coming and the pressure will intensify. This is not over, and it won’t be until Ricky’s case is opened and the truth comes out.
I want to thank Robin Moorehouse for helping me with my project and always being there to answer questions and giving me more of a reason to keep going!
Money talks. I’m guessing bribery had, or still has, taken place. Very very sad. Don’t ever give up.
Vote these Criminals out of office for poor little Ricky.
Shame on the DA who offered that plea deal. shame on you!!! I understand that you don’t want to leave it up to a jury but he murdered and raped her dead corpse…. you’re telling me you thought that a jury was going to come back and not convict this guy. I can’t believe with the evidence, DNA MATCH, witness testimonies, the fact that the guy turned around and smiled at the dad when the picture of his dead daughter was up on the projector, and everything else yet still they didn’t have a rock-solid case????????you roll that dice on this one…he was guilty and I’m sure 10 years in prison is not going to satisfy what the family has suffered and what the victim suffered. you put them away for as long as possible or in other terms you throw the book at him and hope the jury does the right thing even if they acquit the man he still is seen as the monster that he is because of the evidence that proved it….. if a jury let him walk then let him walk.. 10 years isn’t going to make anybody feel better and you know it. Did you not take into consideration that he’d been living free and clear for 38 years since this murder???????? The state literally gave the man free room and board and food for 10 years…. the family deserved a longer sentence the victim deserved a longer sentence. I understand that he paroled after like 5 but I’m trying to make a point that I’m disgusted by this story disgusted and hurt that this girl her family had to suffer like this she didn’t deserve to die like that the family didn’t deserve to have their loved one taken away like that and the state screwed up and gave this man seriously a pass on this…..
Found an old Polaroid picture of her in my dads old things that made me wonder if they had ever caught anyone. Very sad they didn’t but hopefully they will someday.
I had no idea Millhouse was with the Register that long. I guess that explains how he had the names and addresses of 2200 boys in his home. Just curious, what were your experiences with Millhouse?
Thank you for posting the pictures , you must of had to contact them for posting them . Last I knew when I called them they were closing the cold case site for some reason but it is still available so they figured a way to keep this program going , thank god maybe someone will come forward there is still a reward leading to a arrest of her killer .
Your welcome. I’m very happy they were able to upload Kathy’s Picture. Thank you to those who worked on getting picture’s on here so fast. Appreciated very much. Kathy never liked sleeping downstairs. Most of the time she chose to stay on the sofa. We spent a lot of time together in 1993-94. I on one end of the townhouse her on the other. She came to visit when he would leave, it’s the only time she could get away . According to her , he tried to keep her confined, not wanting her to have friends. She said she didn’t know how to go about getting away from him. No job, no where to go and did fear for her life.
Death Anniversary has come and gone. Of course I remember it like yesterday. You were my neighbor and friend. He lives across the way from me now and it’s a constant reminder. Miss you. I decorate your grave each year. So glad they finally added a photo here.
At the time of her disappearance, Colleen was much younger than most, if not all, of Ted Bundy’s victims but I am wondering if the sheriff or anyone involved with her case, ever tried to track the time of her disappearance with Bundy’s travels. The number of Bundy’s victims is staggering and the total may never be known. (A friend of mine’s daughter disappeared from Grand Junction, Colorado, around the mid to late 1970s and to my knowledge, her body was never found. The parents, both of whom have since died of natural causes, believed Bundy was responsible.)
What about contacting one of the murder mystery TV shows or Dateline or 20/20. I think they are always interested in new “old” murders. Maybe they would uncover something.
I have to heard these rumers and asked my cousin Doug Chidester about it and would not ever give me an answer. I rode the bus with you guys and always thought highly of Harry and you . Mark I wish I had the answer but I don’t.
from your previous comments you believe you knew who it might be who did it. start there with answers, I wish you the best. I am so sorry for your loss.
I believe you have some of the answers! We all need closure! Someone should pay for taking your brother’s away from all of us. They were so little and so loved.
Thanks, Brody, for catching this. It should have been 100 (not 1000) N. 16th St. I’ve updated the address to reflect the changes. (The correct address was on Douglas Shondel’s case summary page here.) All best to you!
Wow, most murders of newborns just let them die naturally or from exposure. Beating the newborn in the head to kill the poor little thing makes this an especially gruesome case. Too bad, whoever did this is more than likely dead or will be, very soon.Too bad, that DNA was not available then. It would be nice if they could find the parent who would be extremely old but alive who thinks they have gotten away with this crime only to end up sitting in a cell as an aged killer. And a lot of people close to death who are believers start to become nervous before they die because they are afraid they are going to go to hell.
The state (and the police) gave you incorrect information about Jesse Giovanni Nimaja Pol. His name isn’t “Nimajapol” it is “Nimaja Pol.” Also, there are some internet postings from someone named “Adexe Nauzet Giovanni Nimaja Pol” from Denison, Iowa. Was his real name Jesse?
I was a 7 year old daughter of my Mother who was secretary to the Ames Canning Company in 1948 when Henry Chavis was gunned down. I spent hours playing outside of the office. My best friend was Sherry Rhenbloom Semanka. Her Mother, Doris, and my Mother were on the Ames Bowling Team. Sherry and I and our Mothers took a 6 week trip to California at that time. It was also the year my Mother divorced my Dad. Mom & I moved to the 1st home she owned in Webster CIty, IA. At 76 years old in Santa Barbara, CA… I still have many questions.
She changed my last name to Hemmen, and remarried Maurice Hemmen. Much more I can’t say…
Linda, thank you for helping remind all of the family and friends of deceased Iowa Cold Cases, who have not had their deaths investigated or cases solved, and those that have been solved, after more information was gathered from information organized on our family’s case files, that Jody has many expenses that are not covered as most of us she works to help us, while existing on a limited income like we do. If Linda had not reminded me I might not have thought to pass on a small gift to Jody for the VPS Server Fees. Veronica Lack (Still hoping to find an Attorney to Represent my Iowa Supreme Court Appeal 17-1933 of the Halloween 2017 dismissal of Civil Rights case CVCV046761 in the Polk County Courthouse.)
Kimberly sue Doss came up missing when she was 14 not 16. She came up missing in March 20th 1980 not1982. I kknow some knows information on her . If you do you do come forward not have to give you man just a phone # will do please help it has been 38 years please please help
Schelly, though Kim’s case has been removed from the Iowa Department of Public Safety’s (IDPS) Missing Person Information Clearinghouse (MPIC), Kim is still listed on NamUs.gov as having gone missing at age 16, with the date of last contact on Sept. 1, 1982. https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/2919/details
NamUs gets this information directly from the investigating agency. When a case is removed from Iowa’s MPIC, they do not notify us as to why the individual has been removed. Yet Kim’s case remains on both NamUs and the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children.
I cannot explain why she was removed from the State database yet kept on two national databases. Also, the lead detectives are rotated over time, and Det. Jordan Sander of the Davenport PD is currently handling her case file. His contact information is listed as (563) 328-6749.
Just wondering …
Jane Doe
Unidentified Body
Jane Doe
Estimated Age: 19-25
Race: White / Caucasian
Height: Cannot Estimate
Weight: Cannot Estimate
Des Moines River Area SE
Des Moines, IA
Investigating Agencies: Polk County Medical Examiner’s Office and the Des Moines Police Department
NCMEC Case Number: 10-77-1490
Des Moines PD Case Number: 1980-20704
NamUs Case Number: 10846
Body Found: May 26, 1980
Estimated Year of Death: 1980
My condolences to the family and I hope that this case finally receives justice very soon. I work for the local paper and am interested in finding out more information as well as other perspectives (on or off the record) on this particular case to help keep it in the spotlight. Please contact me at sragen@oskyherald. Thank you.
Shelly, Thanks so much for your interest in this case, I’ve passed your email address on to my son in-law Josh ( Denease’s son ) he has a lot of information for you. ~~~ Lorrie ~~~
I am having difficulty getting very many people to talk even off the record. Would you be willing to talk with me about the case, even if it’s your perspective. It would be super helpful. Also anyone else that might talk with me, like I mentioned before, on or off the record. Thanks so much! My email is sragen@oskyherald.com
Shelly, All I know is what I told told Jody in this article on Iowa Cold Cases, sorry I don’t have anymore information, I would really like to know who this ” beever cleever ” is that commented on the towards the top.
~~~ Lorrie ~~~
Thank you Lorrie. I don’t know who that would be….I am interested in learning more about Denease as a person too, if anyone can help, I would appreciate it. sragen@oskyherald.com. Thank you.
M’Thinks Bill Carter protested too much boo hooing over Shirley’s death. Neighbor said he was extremely controlling over even smallest things. While son Jason was said to have a good relationship with his mother, and besides which, how could he inherit farm if only his mother and not father was dead.
Regarding your last question, the theory is that his parents were very conservative and would disinherit Jason upon learning of his infidelity; a fact that Shirley recently discovered but had not divulged yet to Bill. Jason’s inheritance would have been secure if he successfully hid his involvement in his mother’s murder so the theory goes.
He threw it all away and has paid a big price. He will pay a much bigger price in the after life I strongly suspect.
J.F. North, What are your questions and what proof are you looking for? Des Moines P.D. can provide you with both. Thank you for visiting Mother’s cold case site.
Dear Jody, Thank you for your care and concern for my Mother. Since the death of Mother’s devoted Sister I cannot imagine anyone knowing how to proceed further. You have provided me with more closure than anyone in our family would give to me and I am in your debt.
Hi Janette, Kathy & Lanny,
This is Jane McMenamin – Tigges, I grew up with all of you, I never knew any of this growing up so close. My Heart is Heavy after reading all this, I’m Very Proud of the Great Kids you were & the lives you Had and now the Adults that you Are!
May you know much Love and Peace,
God Bless you 3 and your families.
Blessings to you,
Love,
Jane
Jane McMenamin, I remember you vividly as an adorable blond upperclassman. I also remember you had a large feed sign that said “KENT”. Thanks for stopping by Mothers’ cold case site. No one knew what happened to Mother in Dexter-it was a closely guarded secret even in our own Family. I myself knew nothing until attending prom as a freshman with a junior boy who casually asked me on the way to Redfield if it was true “my Mother was buried in a basement somewhere.” I had an interesting chat with my Gram later that evening. Thank you for your kind blessings. Kathy is the outgoing famous one- Lanny and I have always kept under the radar. I do remember that Kent was Lanny’s Friend and Vickie T. was Kathy’s. Janette.
From what I have gathered from articles is that they do not know if they are his shoes. It’s possible they could be someone else’s shoes and if you look at the finger prints it’s possible that persons finger prints aren’t even in the system. I grew up in Clinton Iowa. I was a child when this happened. Growing up there were 4 places I thought were creepy places also places where someone could find a dead body. 1.The park in Fulton (the forest area) 2. Forest area around the bike path. 3. The thick forest area by the old Lyons Middle school (up the hill from Miller ridge) 4. Under the South bridge. I really hope they find him alive.
Des Monies police dept should not have closed Johnita Clemons case for the sake of her children. The killer Maryann Gatewoid Gatewood there in des Moines on the run from Oklahoma judicial for human trafficking. Please community help close this case the house she was murdered in has been torn down. Is the police was smart Deron Humes Maryann Gatewooda boyfriend at the time knows all the details currently inmate iowa dept of corrections. Please lets continue to fight for justice.
I really need people in the sea Moines community that in Dec 24th 2013. Johnita Clemons was killed by her niece Maryann Gatewoid Drs Moines have the murdering right at hand . This should have never been a cold case. We the family will see justice prevail. Prayers up and blessings come down. In all are ways acknowledge him and he shall direct my path. Amen
I just saw this case on the ID channel and could not believe that the ‘piece of crap’ got out of prison so soon. I hope he has nightmares for the rest of his miserable life.
Its unbelievable this monster is out of prison. I feel horrible for the family of Mary Jayne. I know this is a double whammy as they waited so long for justice and the justice was so short . I’m praying for them to find some kind of peace. Our justice system stinks!
My dad worked/friend with Gerald’ s brother Bob at the cement plant in mason city for over 20 years….. shortly before my dad died he told me Bob had physical evidence on who had commited the murder and tried to relay it to the pigs, and they basically told him to forget about it…… mason city/Cerro Gordo police officers are straight up lazy and fucking worthless
Both the prosecution and defense were to recommend a 10-year sentence, but there was no requirement that the judge actually had to issue a 10-year sentence; he could have sentenced him to 25 years, for example. Shame on the judge for not protecting the rest of us from someone whose criminally-versitile behavior demonstrates that he is a psychopath.
I too am sorry for your loss of Mary Jayne, River Tribe, This very light sentence for this worthless, substandard, waste of air is disturbing.
As it turns out, this case happened to be profiled on the ID Discovery network “Murder for Menu” series today (1/13/18). I took particular note to the segment and the case as my wife is from Ottumwa.
Again, sorry for my loss. She didn’t deserve this.
After reading the above summary for this case, which has now been unsolved for over two decades, I was struck by the fact that no one had ever commented on it. I did some research on this woman’s case and found some things that might be of interest to individuals who stop by this page.
To begin, I found a couple of typographical errors in the “about Dung Kim Truong” section of the summary write-up. Dung Kim Truong was actually female, and she was born in Saigon, Vietnam, as reported in the SSDI. While “California” does appear in her record in the index, as far as I can tell, that was actually her state of residence at the time she was issued a social security number. There is a note in her record stating that in 1989, her name was recorded as “Dung Kim Truong” in a social security filing of some sort which is not specified in the index. It is possible that this unspecified filing was her original social security application, and that 1989 was about the time she immigrated to the United States. If so, her port of entry in the United States would likely have also been somewhere in the state of California. However, it is equally possible that it was just some other routine filing, and that she had immigrated at some point prior to that year. At the time of her death in 1997, Truong was a classified as a legal alien with the authorization to work in the United States.
Using information from newspaper articles published at the time her remains were discovered and then when they were subsequently identified, I was able to find some details about Truong’s case that clarify some of the details about how everything unfolded.
The articles state that at the time Truong went missing, she had been living in Omaha, Nebraska. The wording seems to imply that, more specifically, she was living with her boyfriend there. At some point on September 22, 1997, Truong went to the recently-opened Ameristar riverboat casino, which was technically considered as having been located in Council Bluffs, Iowa as that was the location of the on-shore portion of the Ameristar property (e.g., the hotel). For those not familiar with the area, Council Bluffs is located on the other side of the Missouri River from Omaha, and is often considered a suburb of that city. Thus, to board the riverboat, she would have had to have first travelled across the bridge over the Missouri River into Council Bluffs. The articles do not provide any insight into why she had gone to the casino – whether she gambled often, whether she went because of the novelty of this new attraction, or perhaps for a completely different reason (e.g., perhaps she was employed there).
The articles also do not clarify how she got to the casino or for how long she was there. However she got there though, she ended up accepting a ride home from an Asian male who to the best of my knowledge was never successfully identified. She called her boyfriend, who was evidently at home in Omaha at the time, from a phone at the casino, to let him know that the man was giving her a ride. Then, she passed the phone to the man so her boyfriend could provide him with driving directions to their residence (remembering of course that smart phones with GPS that tell you when and where to turn were unheard of in those days). After they got off the phone, casino security cameras captured Truong and the man exiting the riverboat at approximately 6:30 PM. After she failed to arrive at the residence that evening, Truong was reported missing, presumably by her boyfriend.
Later that year, in the evening of Thanksgiving Day, a hunter discovered human remains on public land near Washta, Iowa, over 100 miles from the casino where Truong was last seen. At the time of the discovery, authorities stated that remains were that of a woman over the age of 30 who had been deceased for approximately four months, and that they hoped to identify her through dental records.
By December 02, the remains were identified as that of Dung Kim Truong, and newspapers across Iowa detailed the story provided above. The cause of death was undetermined at that point, and the articles closed by stating that the unidentified Asian male that Truong was last seen with was being sought by investigators, though he was not considered a suspect in the case at the time. They expressed that he may have important information about the case. At the end of an article published by the Des Moines Register, it was reported that investigators with the Iowa DCI believed that the man may have been from the Sioux City Area. Although I have no idea for certain why they believed this, a few reasons might include that not only was Sioux City the closest major city to the area where the remains were discovered, it is also located directly north of Council Bluffs on I-29, and statistically-speaking, it has a higher non-white population than many of the surrounding communities in the area.
Unfortunately, I was not able to locate any further information on Dung Kim Truong or her case, despite an exhaustive search of all electronic resources available to me. I was unable to locate any information regarding topics such as her cause of death, her place of burial, an obituary, her family, her boyfriend mentioned in the newspaper articles, her occupation, her personality, her interests, or her life goals. I personally think that part of the reason for the lack of any substantive information might be that she was a recent immigrant who had lived in the United States for less than 10 years at the time of her death. She was unmarried, probably had no children, spoke English as a second language, and may not have had any family in the country. It’s not clear how long she had been living in Omaha, and it is possible she knew very few people there. Sadly, if those conjectures are factual, they might partially explain why her case has gone unsolved: in the case of a woman with few ties to the community who was the victim of a crime committed by a stranger, it’s possible that there wasn’t much information to go on.
In any case, I hope that this information helps anyone who might want to know more about Dung Kim Truong, and that someday, justice will be served on her behalf.
Whoever “nobody” is, or anyone who knows or saw anything, please go to the Clinton Iowa police department or call them here: 563-243-1457
Amanda P. I read your thread on reddit thank you for making that thread and I hope Ben and the other missing men and their families find out what happened.
I have recently shared about this case on reddit on the Unresolved Mysteries page to hopefully bring some more attention to his case. My family and I were talking about him this morning. Continue to pray for him and his family and hope one day there will be answers.
Apparently there is a rumor that people have speculated they know who did this. I heard this from someone who knows the family and grew up around them. I asked if that person was alive and he said very much so. He would not tell me a name.
This does all seem way too odd to be a random act and I have been reading every article I can get my hands on about this. Would either of you be interested in meeting up and speaking about this rumor?
what my boyfriend went through during that time ; I’m sure is nothing compared to why her family went through,.They didn’t convict my boyfriend for a reason. Please dont be so quick to judge…..
I was referring to your comment” what my boyfriend went through during that time.” I just was not sure what case it was about and if you met he was involved in some way with the case. It is a very sad situation.
Her boyfriend was one of the defendants. I don’t know which one. I actually lived with Yant in 1998 and didn’t know anything about this. I stumbled upon the news article years ago when reading about a different case. I was shocked when I first saw his name.
I notice there is an “about” section for Bill but not one for Kay. What more can we know about her? It states they were widows when they met but that is all that is given.
I have heard throught the grapevine that the policehave been informed of who done it, gave the person who informed them alie detector test(which was passed), yet the police are doing nothing about it. Throughanother story its rumered that one of the people being accused has people in “authority” thatdoes her”bidding”. Meaning they let her do ANYTHING she wants. Furthermore, they arrest anyo e she tells them too. Shes got the freedom to kill someone or have someone thrown in jail. Which ever she feelslike doing.
You are right about it…I talked to them too…I had 411 about it …and detectives looked like if they did not care a bit…is there a number where a family member can be contacted…
The Deputy Sheriff (later Sheriff) Bert Elledge, who worked the case, believed he knew did it, but could not prove it.
Later the suspect committed a similar crime using the same method of assault on another individual as memory serves, in Jones County. Deputy Jim Benter of Jones County worked that particular case. The victim survived, and an individual was charged,
and did prison time on the Jones County case.
No … this seems like a tragic situation that had zero to do with this cold case. It was bitterly cold and according to information in the provided link, the house was full of clutter, which impeded escape and helped the fire spread more quickly. Very sad end to their lives.
Rick and Brian, there are far more extenuating circumstances than just a house full of clutter. It wasn’t the clutter that impeded their escape, but rather the high deadbolt locks on all the doors. The State Fire Marshal Division ruled the cause of the fire as “Undetermined.” Arson wasn’t officially ruled out, and though they could not determine the fire’s point of origin, they do know it started in the living room.
I’ve thoroughly read the final reports from the multiple investigating agencies, and the number of inconsistencies reflects the number of contradictory statements provided to investigators the night of the fire and in the following days/weeks.
Medical examiners begin with information (a victim history) provided to them by law enforcement, who already may have been misled by one or more family members or others who have or had a good reason (motive) for wanting to mislead. The autopsy reports, as expected, do accurately reflect the “causes” of death (i.e. they were injuries consistent with those one might sustain in a house fire), but the “manner” of death is highly subjective when it comes to fires. Normally, if the cause of a fire is ruled undetermined, the “manner” of any death(s) would follow suit as undetermined. (Obviously, this is barring cases where individuals have been shot or stabbed or bludgeoned to death and fire(s) then set in attempts to try to cover up the crime.) Otherwise, if arson can’t officially be ruled out, neither can the possibility of homicide when it comes to the manner of death(s).
I’m not implying these deaths have anything to do with Kim’s or Craig’s unsolved cases — only saying there remains far more questions than answers in all six deaths.
Hi Janette this is Rex. When I saw your Mom’ photo on the news I thought for a moment it was you as you both looked so much alike. She was so pretty. I feel disturbed over this quite often now.
Best wishes to you and your families.
You were forgiven many years ago Dear.
You say you were wrong, but not as much as I was.
Am very lucky and grateful to have known you.
I will never forget you.
I pray God has arranged the day you and your people will meet your beautiful Mother.
Her beauty is beyond this world.
Rex David, please join Classmates @ Classmates.com, and I will meet you there, My Mother’s Cold Case Site is the incorrect forum for past lovers to meet.
I would certainly look at Patricia and her known relatives or if she had brothers. The taking of half the cash leads one to believe it was a personal murder while trying to take money to make it appear as though it was a robbery attempt. I’m glad her son was adopted and hopefully living a full and rich life.
Thank you Kate, I’m Michael Rogers, I am Pat’s son, and yes, alive and well thank you, although I will tell you, I met Pat and her family in 1996, they were rude, never accepted me, and to this day, have nothing to do with me, yet, some family members sing in the church choir and attend Mass weekly, go figure?
Michael, Patricia’s family’s attitude toward you should tell you something. You did nothing wrong, but you are the end result of your father’s ‘mistake’ that they resented him for. I still think the males in that family are the suspects in your father’s murder. A gas station robber NEVER takes “some” of the money, they take it all. Think about it. PLEASE.
PATRICIA KELLEY SKILLINGS, WIFE OF RICH SKILLINGS, EVANSDALE, IOWA. 319-234-0710, OR THIS NOW I HAD BEEN NOTIFIED COULD BE THEIR SON’S NUMBER NOW, MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT ENOUGH FOLKS CALL AND PRESSURE THESE INDIVIDUALS TO WORK WITH THE WATERLOO POLICE DEPARTMENT! THANK YOU, MICHAEL DAVID ROGERS, ADOPTED SON OF PATRICIA KELLEY SKILLINGS, I CAN BE REACHED@ 469-434-7419
AS OF TODAY, I HAD TALKED AGAIN TO THE WATERLOO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ASKED THAT A DETECTIVE, GERGIN GO AND INTERVIEW RICH AND PATRICIA SKILLINGS, TO THIS DAY HAVE HEARD NOTHING
That was my fist thought too!
They didn’t want the stores money.
They left it!
They only wanted his money!
She was mad because she was pregnant & he was honest with her & told her he wasn’t in love with her.
She hated him for it & took his life over it a week to the day he was supposed to be getting married!
It’s so obviously them!
Tom was a good friend to me. I have always held that Dawn was the one who did this, or at least helped to orchestrate it. Her story has just never quite washed…Perhaps one day she will get her comeuppance…
The Gazette Clip before this article says that Charles pursued the two men that supposedly murdered Bryan Pence, a cousin to my mom, but in the informational paragraphs after it it says that Charles did not pursue the suspects. Typo or a lie?
A family without their wife/mother, and no trace of her since. Sure makes me wonder if she slipped & fell down an embankment into the river, or…….? This family needs closure. IBased on details given here, I doubt any foul play. An unfortunate accident perhaps? Too bad her body was never recovered.
If she was shot just entering the house, the only chance that the murder was someone she knew would be that he could know in advance that she was going to that house that day, and alone. So the really important question is who could have that information. If nobody, then Ashley was not the target.
Could this be another victim of Jesperson? I believe the timing is right and he bound other victims with duct tape. I believe his full name is Keith Hunter Jesperson and he is currently in the Utah prison system serving multiple life sentences.
I am just learning of this case as far as it being Steve Leisure. It is time that people get on Amy Beavers office and press her and the Burlington Police to push for Justice for Steve. I did not realize it was Steve until I talked to an old friend of his. There are rumors of who was involved and these people are a Criminal Element of Burlington and should be behind bars on suspicion along. The only way Justice will be served in this case is if the people who \knew and loved Steve push the Burlington PD and Des Moines County Prosecutors office to do their jobs. If I am learning of the names of those involved in late 2017 then why isn’t this case solved. I know the name of one of the people rumored to be involved and he has always been involved in shit. They did drain the lake and sent the foot off, but not having people in custody is a travesty of Justice. Autumn Steels case has gotten National Attention and she was killed by accident when her dog attacked the officer. This is a grisly murder of a completely harmless individual. It disgusts me that this case is not solved and that people are not scouring the woods every day around Lake West and Issac Walton and the woods surrounding. They need to use dogs and the machines that can detect human remains under the ground. This town has always been full of murderers, but now it is completely out of hand. The more unsolved murders Burlington has the more money they can get from the Feds.
I would like to say to Bernadette and other loved ones of Keara’s if they happen to read this. Justice will prevail and Karen (very evident based on reading through this page) will be held accountable, on this earth (hopefully) and for sure when she passes.
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This is so interesting and heartbreaking at the same time. I too wondered why her family didn’t insist on a autopsy or a more thorough investigation. Are any of her family still alive?
The thought I had was that this information should be shared with the people connected with Antique Roadshow. Also the same with other businesses that conduct antique auctions. Since there has been a another murder of a couple involved in antiques.
After reading through the comments on this page, I feel that a great disservice has been done to the deceased, Eric William Jones, due to the spread of information here in the comments which is not accurate. If a person came along and read the comments here and took them at face-value, they would be severely misinformed. Therefore I would like to point out certain facts about this case.
First and foremost, according to the Des Moines Police Department and Jody Ewing (who administers this website), this case is classified as an unsolved homicide. This is a fact and not a clerical error. What it means is that, at minimum, homicide could not be ruled out as a cause of death, and so the case is investigated as such in order to pursue justice for the deceased, if necessary.
Second, no evidence exists in the public record that Eric suffered from Guillain-Barré Syndrome as has been suggested here in the comments on this page. That medical condition is extremely rare and affects fewer than two out of every 100,000 people on average. While it is an extremely serious and potentially fatal condition, its symptoms do not match those which have been attributed to Eric.
Third, according to the Des Moines Register article published on May 11, 1993, Eric actually had Prader–Willi Syndrome, a genetic disorder associated with a host of symptoms including developmental disabilities, low IQ, behavioral problems, and physical abnormalities. The symptoms of Prader-Willi Syndrome are far more consistent with those which have been described by others here. For example, children with Prader-Willi Syndrome frequently require a feeding tube as part of their treatment. This condition is far more common than the aforementioned Guillain-Barré Syndrome, occurring at a frequency of up to one out of every 10,000 births.
Fourth, according to Dr. Francis Garrity, the doctor who performed the autopsy on Eric Jones, “there is no medical evidence connecting the disorder to the baby’s death.” Therefore, the results of the autopsy disagree with certain statements which have been made here suggesting that Eric died as a result of a disorder he had. Absolutely no evidence suggests that the infant’s death was the result of his genetic disorder.
Fifth, according to statements given by the Des Moines Police Department to the Des Moines Register newspaper which were published in the same paper in May of 1993, investigators believed that child abuse may have played a role in Eric’s death.
Sixth and finally, according to the Polk County Medical Examiner at the time of Eric’s death, R.C. Wooters, the results of the autopsy showed that the cause of death was an injury to the infant’s head, consistent with, among other possibilities, having been struck.
In this post I have shared only the facts which were duly provided by law enforcement, medical professionals, and journalists at the time of Eric William Jones’ death. None of these statements are based on my feelings or opinions, save for my opening paragraph in which I stated that I felt aggrieved by the spread of inaccurate information here.
I believe these facts represent the other side of the story that has not been shared here. While I empathize with those who lost their loved one, I believe that in the interest of the deceased, all sides of the story should be given due consideration. Although I sincerely hope that some sort of error was made at some point in the investigation, and that Eric died of natural causes rather than as the result of homicide, all people owe it to the deceased to rule out potential foul play before casting judgment.
This is a factual, articulate, well thought out, well written, and thought provoking post that resonates with credibility. One of the better ones I’ve read on this site. Nice work.
This was a long time ago. I was at the hospital when he was born and there when he was buried. His grandmother was a friend of mine. This is what she knew at the time. I knew both parents and they never laid a hand on any of their kids let alone a newborn baby. It’s sad and let Eric rest in peace. Let his family have peace.
Yes Eric had Prader-Willi Syndrome which was the cause of his death. Thank you for bring that up none of these wanna be detectives could figured it out which is why I didn’t mention the name of it. No one in my family did anything to my brother. We were told exactly what you said Prader-Willi Syndrome caused his death. I love my brother that was the worst thing to ever happen to me and I have been blown up by IEDs in Afghanistan. Once again thank you for being the only one not accusing my family when they didn’t know all the facts.
This case was investigated by the Wapello County Sheriff’s Office and the Wapello County Medical Examiner, Dr. Bruce Mason. An autopsy was performed and the cause of death was determined to be Hypoxia due Grand Mal Seizure. There is no indication of a “partial decapitation” as stated above. Although a minor point, he had just turned 54, not 55.
Michael has been arrested for Elizabeth’s death/disappearance. Happen to read it in local Iowa paper. Sparked my interest and that is what brought me to this Iowa cold case story!
May Elizabeth’s Family now get some kind of closure. 🙏💜
Josh Wellman is still missing….I know for a fact that if you were to look at CHRISTY WORM and HARRY MEADER you would be looking in the right direction…WORM had gotten away with 3 or 4 murders now….she likes to give people HOT-SHOTS…which is pretty much untraceable…
This is one of the cold cases that infuriates me to no end. A young man who was dealt a tough blow while protecting his sister & family – a truly impressive act of heroism that deserves respect. This is a very solvable case, I pray that someone that knows about this comes forward and gives this family the peace they deserve. Come on now!
Wish the Fuc#%$ Osceola police department would grow some balls, roll the dice, and arrest the worthless shitbags they interviewed that were known to hang out and leach off this guy…. c’mon assholes, do the right thing, better yet, DO YOUR JOB….IGNORING IT WON’T MAKE IT GO AWAY
Exactly, they need to shake things up. Identify the weakest link, most likely to talk and charge that person. Get him/her rattled so they start talking. Nothing is likely to happen at this point unless they push it to make it happen.
We have a cold case here in VA BEACH VIRGINA IN 1986 OF ROBERTA WALLS, 22 YRS. also stabbed to death they also did a SNAPSHOT DNA and it looks remarkably like THE MARTINKO SNAPSHOT , something ,coincidence or are these snap shots kind of generic molds? Articles in VIRGINIA PILOT 11/29/17-11/30/17.
Today marks 22yrs that Scott has been gone. I find it unbelievable that in that busy of a district no one seen anything. Someone robbed him of his life, they robbed his mother and family of an amazing person. He always had the most amazing laugh, he would just bust out laughing because he thought of some random thing. His laugh was contagious! I was blessed to call him one of my best friends for many years. We love and miss you.
Uncle John, mom and I still visit your gravesite. We place flowers and say prayers. We wish we could bring you justice. I don’t know where else to turn for answers. But I can tell you we will never forget you. We love you!
Hey Dylan, this is not a place to make comments about how you wanna help and be a police officer….. help your self by learning proper grammar and also common sense…… your comments are innapropriate and just plan dumb…..jackass
Hey Dennis radar, Leave the kid alone. And before you criticize someone else, you might want to proofread your own comment and take your own advice. “Help yourself by learning proper grammar and also common sense..your comments are inappropriate and just plain dumb.”
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My father was murdered in a hotel at pocahontas Ia in 1977. His name is Warren Douglas Clark. And yet i can find no records of his case file or court records of the trial for the man the was caught for his murder.
Thank so much for your help. This helps me find some peace of mind. I was 14 yrs old at the time my dad,was murdered. Guess I just needed to know why . If there’s any photos of that man available. Would like to see one.
Hi Richard, I am sorry that I could not find a photo of the perp. You may, however, want to keep up with the Iowa Board of Parole and let them know how you feel. The perp has been seeking clemency.
Also, to the effect that you want to know “why,” the answer is probably that the perp is just another criminally versatile person. Prior to your father being murdered, he had a history of larceny, as is shown by this link: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/1239451/
The perp was born in September 1955, and at age 18 he was already making the news for his criminal acts.
Best I can tell Myra Williams is expressing her remorse to Richard Clark for the death of his father Warren Douglas Clark at the hands of her father Kline Goeders – a man implicated in the death of Mamie Sime (profile on this web site) as well I might add.
You’ll need to fire up some Crystal Meth or something to attempt to follow anything she’s trying to articulate beyond that – totally unintelligible.
Your comments should be respectful. Have u heard the saying if u cant say anything dont say anything at all. Ppl are trying to get piece of mind with the loss of a loved one. Shame on you. Im gonna pray for you my you find peace within yourself and not judge as there is only one true judge our God in heaven. In jesus name i pray Amen.
Wow,really,some guy from California with no DL just happens to be there sticking his two cents in,and she came from California, winner winner chicken dinner, there’s your killer,they obviously had a really bad police force at that time,my guess is that guy wasn’t even a suspect gezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……
hi carolyn this is gracie and I wanted to let you know that I am always looking for her and hoping that she will come home soon and I have a feeling she will very soon and I am sending prayers to find her
A minor thought here….. did I read that in her apartment they found her partial pack of ciggerett …..As a smoker I don’t leave home alone or with someone with out grabbing my ciggerett s ….
Could she have been killed at home …
That might account for no shoes on …
I have read the cold case files of Maureen Farley, Naomi Wilson, and Paula Oberbroeckling. They all took place in the same area of Cedar Rapids, Iowa. I have found some connections between these cases. The landlord renting to Maureen Farley also owned the house where Paula Oberbroeckling was raped and murdered at.
Murder Mystery Reader, thank you for your research. It looks you were using some of us learned in school, the 3R’s, history and geography.
In my research of cold cases, I look at the location on maps. I used to drive and navigate a submarine, so using maps is a regular tool in my research. So, what you hinting at a connection with the landlord in these cases.
In this day and age is easy to go online and find records, and notice a possible connection between incidents, such as location, day of the week, time frame, age of the victims, etc.
It might be just a coincidence, but something to look into. Since, it might provide the needed tidbit, to break these cases, wide open.
I have been researching a cold case of Theresa Fusco, (16), from Lynbrook, New York. It is located on Long Island. Theresa disappeared Nov. 10, 1984, and was found murdered. A Kelly Morrissey, (15), disappeared in June 1984, from the same town. They are identified as friends, however, their is no mention how they were friends. They went to separate high schools.
I was actually trying to get a list of 10 people most likely responsible for Maureen Farley death like Stan Weeber did in his article called “A Preliminary Analysis of the Paula Oberbroeckling Case”. This article came up with a list of 11 people who might be responsible for Paula Oberbroeckling’s death based on geography and their personal relationship to Paula. So geography is definitely being looked at in compiling the list of possible suspects for Maureen Farley’s murder. Some people might think the same person(s) might have killed both Maureen and Paula, so that angle is being looked at. These people think both Maureen’s and Paula’s deaths were due to rapes/murders. Both of their bodies were dumped into ravines extremely close to the Cedar River, in an extremely bad smelly area of Cedar Rapids. Both went missing on a Friday night.
Very sad this man’s widow went to her grave never knowing who killed her husband. 40 years is a long time not knowing. I can only hope whoever did it died themselves a miserable death. I hope Karma got them.
Actually, I should have said above that Matice was “previously accused of molesting a paperboy in Iowa,” rather than “previously known to molest a paperboy in Iowa.”
But he definitely was convicted of child porn in Texas.
Roger Dean Matice, convicted in Texas of child pornography, and previously accused of molesting a paperboy in Iowa, has filed some sort of lawsuit in federal court in Iowa.
This is despite the federal bureau of prisons saying he is in prison in Texas.
I wonder what this is about…
Of course, I don’t want to accuse Matice of being the perp. I merely point out that he #1 was previously accused of sexually molesting an Iowa paper boy and #2 bears a resemblance to the sketch of the suspect in the Johnny Gosch case.
Roger Dean Matice, convicted in Texas of child pornography, and previously accused of molesting a paperboy in Iowa, has filed some sort of lawsuit in federal court in Iowa.
This is despite the federal bureau of prisons saying he is in prison in Texas.
I wonder what this is about…
Of course, I don’t want to accuse Matice of being the perp. I merely point out that he #1 was previously accused of sexually molesting an Iowa paper boy and #2 bears a resemblance to the sketch of the suspect in the Johnny Gosch case.
First point to make is Noreen had scathing things to say about the West Des Moines Police Department,not the Des Moines Police Department. Big difference. Second, for the Gosch and Martin cases, Register Circulation Manager at the time of the disappearance of both Gosch and Martin, Frank Sykora, plead guilty to molesting seven newspaper carriers. Third. another Circulation Manager, Wilbur Millhouse, should be considered a suspect in at least the Gosch case. Finally, there were attempted abductions of Register newspapers carriers outside of the Indianola cases. James Pollack was a 15-year old newspaper carrier who stated a man tried to abduct him on a paper route that was located a mere quarter mile from the Gosch home in West Des Moines. This happened in 1986.
Of course, I don’t want to accuse Matice of being the perp. I merely point out that he #1 was previously accused of sexually molesting an Iowa paper boy and #2 bears a resemblance to the sketch of the suspect in the Johnny Gosch case.
Roger Dean Matice, convicted in Texas of child pornography, and previously known to molest a paperboy in Iowa, has filed some sort of lawsuit in federal court in Iowa.
Again, I am Paul Rayer’s granddaughter, the other deceased murdered victim in this unsolved case. Recently, I spoke again to a good friend of my deceased grandfather, and whether you would believe this or not, he was very close to my grandfather, Paul Rayer, and after he was murdered, this man had dreams of Paul sitting on the end of his bed and telling him that it was a station wagon and it was either light blue or gray, and he had the license plate very vivid in his head, but after going to the police/FBI, he tried to remember it and asked them to hypnotize him to get the license plate number back in his head for evidence to check it out. They were not interested he said. It wouldn’t have hurt at least checking it out! There were no other closer leads back then that I have heard of. Anyway, I just spoke to him again last month regarding my grandfather and we talked of his past memories with him again. He is a very sweet man and loved my grandfather dearly. To this day, he wishes they would have hypnotized him to at least TRY to recover the license plate number…you never know. I have wanted to do something about this mystery since I was a young girl and I remember telling my grandmother, Paul’s wife, you have to contact Unsolved Mysteries, Grandma! We need to find out who did this! I wish too that there was something else I could do to help solve this!
““I think she knew the person, because there was no struggle,” Cochran said. “I’m sure she looked up, gave a big smile and probably that was it.””
There’s really no doubt about that. If her murder is ever solved, her family and friends will probably be shocked to find out who it was. I know a man was supposedly spotted but is it possible this is a red herring? It’s amazing how few clues there are in this case.
Back when this happened, a friend and I both believed she was murdered by a jealous friend. She’s successful, beautiful, and looks very happy in her pictures. I can imagine someone close to her being envious of her life.
“The family also told KCCI that Okland sent a text message to a friend less than five minutes before she died; it was not a plea for help.”
Creepy. Her killer is already there, probably just hanging out having a chat while she’s oblivious to the fact she’s about to be murdered. I assume that text offered no clue as to what was going on.
I feel really sorry for her. She was obviously blind sided….a blitz attack but with a gun. She didn’t have a chance.
Her killer was bold. In the afternoon when anyone could’ve been outside or even walked in. Shot her in the head and chest…guaranteeing she doesn’t get out alive.
Any details of the “commotion” heard by the witness ever released?
Tracy, curious to know how you know she was shot in the head and chest….. those details weren’t released to the public……. and you really think the police would release information about the commotion that the neighbor had heard? Hmmmmmm
I don’t mean for this to sound judgmental as I was no saint in high school/college but here’s my opinion on this case….
She’s juggling too many guys, one which cant even be accounted for. In most situations women can handle this but in others…
Her pregnancy is what set things in motion. The fact she was dating “colored” guys as well did not make the situation easier. She “thought” she was pregnant? NEVER mention pregnancy if you’re with more than one guy until you’re sure that you’re pregnant.
Any time a woman disappears and/or is murdered after an argument with a guy, shouldn’t be too hard to connect the dots.
This was a long time ago. I knew Lonnie quite well. He came over to my place very upset. Said he couldn’t believe they were questioning him as a suspect. Lonnie told me that He would never harm Paula.
Steve Gross
If nobody here is interested in helping me or solving this i’ll move on to a different website that is more productive and serious. Did like this would be so one sided and unresponsive…how depressing !
It’s not the role of this website or of its dedicated, tireless, and unpaid webmaster to try to solve crimes. This website provides information. Law enforcement solves crimes.
Thank you, Jody, for all that you do, and for your unflagging efforts on behalf of victims’ families for the past many years. You’re the best!
People who use and appreciate this site should donate funds to help keep it going.
I am very interested in what you’re saying Don. I , too, see what was said and it was totally debunked. I think the man who goes there is definitely a great place to start! Someone has that murder on their hands!
“IOWA CITY — Karen Ann Christensen, 28, a former media specialist at Coolidge elementary school in Cedar Rapids, has been identified as the second victim of a mysterious blaze which destroyed a pickup truck north of Marina 218. Johnson county authorities Friday confirmed that dental records provided by her dentist provided the positive identification. The other victim, identified Thursday as Larry Gordon Wells, 25, Marathon, was Miss Christensen’s first cousin and lifelong friend, Johnson county Sheriff Gary Hughes said Friday. Wells also was identified through dental records after Iowa bureau of criminal investigation agents traced him through registration records for his truck. In Marathon Positive identification of both victims was made by Dr. Clayton Schalla of the oral surgery department of University hospitals in Iowa City. Miss Christensen, who had been living with her cousin in Marathon for the last year, was a divorcee. Her ex-husband, Duane Seward, lives in Cedar Rapids. Born Aug. 27, 1947, Miss Christensen was employed at Coolidge school from 1969 until May 20, 1974, when she took a leave of absence for personal reasons. She asked to be released from her teaching contract May 9, 1975. Acquaintances in Cedar Rapids termed her “a nice gal and a good teacher. She did a very good job.” Becky Pewsey, a teacher at Coolidge and a close friend, said Miss Christensen hadn’t been working the last year.”
Thank You, the reason I’m asking for the exact location is to confirm a rumor I have been following that flowers have been put on the crime sight still to this day.
I have a Private Investigation background and would like to pursue this lead.
I truly believe the answers to this murder is in the very spot it occurred.
Thank You, Don.
Have they ever tested evidence for DNA?Testing is a lot more accurate today and if the haven’t that’s something the family needs to push for.We miss him so much and would be great if we see a break in the case while we are still living.
I have been praying ever since this happened to both babies. I remember reading about it in the paper and it just broke my heart. I pray the parents turn themselves in or that the Police find them. My prayers remain with both babies.
It is my belief that Louis Dale Reed was murdered by the parent or relative of yet another child he sexual molested. I was six years old when he sexually abuse me at his junk yard when my mother and her then boyfriend left my sister and I at the junkyard. I was a senior in high school when he was shot dead. His death lifted some of the emotional damage I carried. there isn’t a day that goes by that I cant visualize the acts he forced on my tiny body.
I may or may not win the Pulitzer Prize for reporting, I may not be a lawyer and I may be wrong about many things, but there were good reason for anyone to be concerned about this trial. I had a right and duty to say something:
(see more here) https://youtu.be/s6c9EMwAbwY?t=1m51s
If no one listened or if County Attorney Ben Smith trashes me personally, so be it, but to use his power to punish me and shut me down and ruin my life is unwarranted, offensive and illegal. I may wrong on my broader concerns about a conspiracy with Tracey Richter (then Roberts) ex-husband and Ben Smith, but when Ben Smith went that far to punish not just me but others, it makes me unable to shake that I am right about that as well.
I might not be a genius reporter, but why was I threatened with arrest for interfering with a murder investigation if I set foot in Iowa? Why didn’t County Attorney Ben Smith disclose he was dating his star witnesses daughter?
County Attorney Ben Smith, testifying as a witness for Michael Roberts, stated my article was a lie when I published Michael Roberts failed police polygraph.
I’m not a genius reporter but when I called the tip line about Michael Roberts prior to Tracey ever being arrested, but never had a returned call. He did criminally charge me, and I was facing 25 years in prison unless I retracted my articles. I think that should make others in Iowa, ask why?
I wish you would reopen the Edi Torres case, shot the morning of October 1, 2005. You have the wrong person in prison. Justice is not about putting someone in prison, it’s about putting the right person in prison. Edi Torres’ family does not have justice for him. And there is no justice for Danny Sing as long as he remains in prison for a crime he didn’t commit.
Herb doesn’t know anything. Just one of MANY who now troll the crime sites acting like they’re experts when in reality they don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground.
They watch an episode of Law & Order, CSI and Silence of the Lambs and are now profilers. His type has ruined all these sites. I usually ignore comments sections and of course sites like Reddit are flooded with his type.
Aren’t we all so proud of ourselves of getting David Flores out of prison, so he could continue his life of crime and victimize more innocents.
Aren’t we all so proud?
I don’t remember ever hearing of this slaying, even as I got older. I hope that this will, somehow, be solved for the family. Someone, somewhere, knows what happened.
This kid has been seen in Davenport iowa by KFC and new China restraunt he was spotted there twice by a friend. We looked at his pictures above and confirmed that is him. Has been walking I don’t k is if he ran away or was taken but he claims he 19
My name is Alex of you need more information I can be contacted at
563-459-7356
I have notified his Mom of the latest reply, hopefully this pans out, and I pray, like many, he is OK, he’s aged out, he should contact a family member at least to stop all the worrying, especially his Mom.
My mom Sherrie Brown was helping her to find Freddie but the family told her that they didn’t want her help so mom back off
I’d like to reopen the case and see if I can find some things out or missing clues …I believe he’s gone it’s not fair to them what happened to Freddie if anyone knows what happened call me 813-550-8537 I’m Mr Jaelen Brown
One would have to understand the religious climate of the day. The Stillinger children did not attend public school, and one map from 1912 places the Stillinger school on their property. The church service the two attended with the Moore’s was Christian…and in those days, Amish, Mormon, Mennonite and other sects separated themselves because of their ‘different views’ regarding proper treatment of girls and women. Lena was the object of the event, and the scene found in the morning, was exactly according to the ”Blood atonement ritual” practiced by the fundamentalist Mormons. The ‘hints’ were all documented in the first few days after the murders took place. You’ve never heard this before because it has been the missing piece of evidence that no one noticed…. and of course the fact that they were all ‘knocked in the head’ and placed in their beds before Lena was forced to witness what had to be done to protect their community of brothers and sisters.
ELIZABETH “LIZ” HEMMINGER
Cedar Rapids
Elizabeth “Liz”
Hemminger, 52, of Cedar
Rapids, died suddenly
Thursday, Aug. 13, 2015, at
Mercy Medical Center,
Cedar Rapids. A memorial
service will be at a later
date.
Liz was born Jan. 29,
1963, in Cedar Rapids to
Thomas and Carolyn (Null)
Hemminger. She worked at
Goodwill, and liked cats
and birds. She enjoyed
sewing, embroidery and
cooking. She was a
member of Father’s House
Church.
Survivors include her
longtime partner, Shawn
Franklin; father, Thomas
Hemminger; mother,
Carolyn Marquez; sisters,
Terry Marquez of
Kingman, Ariz., and
Michelle Hemminger of
Amana; brother, Matthew
Hemminger of Fairfax; her
stepbrothers and
stepsisters; special cousin,
Dwayne Janey; and many
aunts, uncles, nieces,
nephews and friends.
Liz was preceded in
death by her grandparents,
stepfather and uncle.
From the 2005 Cedar Rapids Gazette (again pertaining to Shawn Franklin, son of Alvernia Beets Franklin):
Shawn Franklin. 52, of 530 Bentley Dr., Marion, for assault
causing bodily injury (domestic abuse) at 1:30 p.m. Friday;
accused of assaulting Elizabeth Hemmnger at their residence
1978 (pertaining to Alvernia Franklin’s son Shawn):
Judge refused to throw out riot charges against seven
Seven persons facing aggravated
misdemeanor charges in connection
with a confrontation with Cedar Rapids
police outside a southeast Cedar
Rapids tavern on May 20 have been
thwarted in their attempt to have the
charges dismissed.
Charles Hodges, 25; Roy Williams,
27; Edward L. Williams, 25;
Daniel J. Morgan, 21; Shawn Franklin,
26; Rufus Lea, 33; and John
Pledge, 42, face a rioting charge in
connection with the incident outside
the L & H Lounge.
From the January 21, 1976 Cedar Rapids Gazette, pertaining to Sammie Franklin, the son of Alvernia Beets Franklin (demonstrating more genetic psychopathy in this family, and no doubt yet another possibility in Naomi’s disappearance):
Police nab man wanted in Milwaukee
Sammie Franklin, 29, was arrested at a Cedar Rapids residence Tuesday on a charge Filed by Milwaukee police. Franklin was arrested shortly after 9:30 p.m. on a charge of “injury by conduct regardless of life.” Police reported Franklin listed his address as 1041 Fourth avenue SE, the place of his arrest. Franklin was being held in the county jail pending extradition to Milwaukee.
Two Beets siblings (Alvernia Beets Franklin and Thomas Beets, siblings to Colbert, Wendell, and Co.) were present at the scene of a shooting death in November, 1952. From the December 21, 1952 Cedar Rapids Gazette:
Woman Fatally Shot; Police Call Death Accidental
Mrs. Jack Reed, 22, of 908 Ninth street SE was fatally shot about 8:45 p.m. Saturday. Police termed her death accidental.
Sam Franklin, 28, who lives at the same address, told police that he was an eye-witness. Franklin’s story was this:
Mrs. Reed had been changing her clothes in one room of the second-floor apartment while Franklin was in another room. The woman then walked into the room where Franklin was and said “Sam, look what I got here.”
Displayed Pistol.
She was holding a small automatic pistol in her hand. Police identified it as an Italian 7.65- caliber automatic. Franklin said that he told Mrs. Reed to put the gun away but she continued to hold it. “Let me show you how it works,” Franklin quoted the woman as saying. Then, she started to pull back the slide on the gun and it went off, according to Franklin’s story.
Franklin’s wife backed up her husband’s story. She said that she too saw Mrs. Reed shoot herself by accident. “Don’t play with that thing,” Mrs. Franklin said she told Mrs. Reed just before the gun went off.
Detective Captain John Kuba said, after all witnesses were questioned, that the shooting was apparently accidental.
The clip to the gun was found on the floor of the apartment and Captain Kuba surmised that Mrs. Reed had removed it and thought the gun was not loaded. One cartridge remained in the firing chamber, however. Kuba also noted that the gun’s safety catch was worn so that the gun could be fired even with the safety on.
In another room at the time of the shooting was Thomas Beets, 21, of 84 Eighth street SW, a brother of Mrs. Franklin. He said that he heard the shot but didn’t realize it was a gun firing.
Taken to Hospital.
Then, Beets said, he saw Mrs. Reed walk past the room where he was sitting. She stood at the top of a stairway, he said, and then turned back. Beets said that he noticed then that there was blood on the front of her clothing.
Beets said that he ran over and caught her just as she fell. She was taken to a local hospital by Ambulance service and was pronounced dead on arrival.
Police recovered the fatal bullet on the kitchen floor of the apartment. By the time officers arrived a number of neighbors and friends were in the apartment.
The dead woman’s husband arrived about 20 minutes after his wife was shot. The Reeds and others in the apartment at the time were all Negroes. Witnesses Franklin and Beets were taken to the police department for questioning.
Thanks so much for sharing this, anon. I’m deeply saddened by her death and appreciate all the photos she shared with me for use on Corey’s page. It’s such a tragic thing to leave this earth not knowing what happened to one’s beloved son. My heartfelt condolences go out to her remaining family and friends.
Michellaina or Michelaina Siemer also went missing from Cedar Rapids in 1983, age 37. She was reported missing by a friend on October 5, 1983. The police said at the time that her marriage was “stormy” and that she had a history of walking away. The police also said that for all they knew, she went back to Sweden, where she was from.
This woman vanished and there is no record anywhere of her ever showing up again.
Hey mom…its me again. I met the love of my life and we are expecting another baby..I wish you were here so you can meet your grand daughter, she turns 3 in January.. Not a day goes by where you aren’t on my mind. I love and miss you mom and I know you’re watching me from above. Fly high <3
Hard to believe, this devil got away with murder.
When he should have gotten death.
Shocking, simply shocking. What the hell is the matter with Iowa laws.
i was around the same age as tammy and remember seeing the news stories when she first went missing and it scared me to death as a young man i have since gotten into law enforcement and left it mainly because of what happened in tammy’s case a lack of seriousness about cases cops seem to feel they don’t need to be very thorough in missing investigations because a lot turn up alive and cops feel this is a waist of time she with a boyfriend or had a fight with the family and so special care is not taken and extra steps are no taken in the initial investigation but once the scene is cleared and other people are allowed back in the scene is contaminated and any evidence that wasn’t collected is lost for life i have followed this case and is saddened that this young bright girl who was trying to go to school to get a college education was so salvagerly murdured with overkill and her dad has now passed away not never finding out who murdered his daughter i can’t believe dna has solved this case which tells me that A either none was collected or B the real killer has high up connections and evidence was lost on purpose there should have been a ton of evidence to link some one the guy more than likely touched her car to pretend to want to help, fiber sand hair from his clothing should have transfered to the blanket as he was carrying her to the dump area all log sheets for truckers traveling through that area should have been looked into for missing time unaccounted for or being late on deliveries so being a former cop this reaks of a family member or friend of a high ranking law enforcement official in that area who was able to infirtrate the investigation and lose or alter evidence you would to almost have a PHD in forensics to be able to avoid leaving tons of evidence behind and WERE TALKING 1992 none of the forensics shows were really on tv to educate the public on how evidence left behind in a crime scene can connect someone why wasn’t there pubic hair transfers even if a condom is used, why wasn’t there hair transfer,to the blanket she was carried in SOMETHINGS NOT RIGHT HERE,if it was a ordinary trucker your telling me he is that edept in forensics that he didn’t leave no evidence behind i don;t buy it the only other possible thing that could have happen is that when a case becomes real big some cops or forensics take evidence home and keep it as a souvernier to show friends a family later of a big case they were involved in which is bad
I love you bro and wish you was here to meet your bad ass niece??and see all the good things I hear your handsome boys my nephews are doing ❤️❤️?I love you and miss you dearly???
Still hoping, wishing, praying that these cases will yet be solved, especially Lisa’s – I was a fellow Wartburg student then & from the same hometown. Changed my life and so many others We will never forget……
Dee was my sister Cindys best friend. Dee would never have left her daughter. Dave was creepy then and is still to this day. For almost 35 years he has gotten away with the murder of Dee. I don’t ever want to give up hope that he will face justice someday. Dee was part of our famile.
Long shot, but I can’t help but wonder if Robert Hansen could have “visted” back home for a while. He was supposedly in Anchorage in 1967, but also states his killings there didn’t start until 1971. He was known to tie women to posts in the wilderness. Typically 16-19. I wonder how close of a timeline the FBI could have on him given so little was actually tracked or trackable back them. Even with Schaefer…their dates active are just what they can (for the most part prove/guess) right? Just because he killed in Florida, doesn’t mean he wasn’t inspired by previous unknown activity in Iowa.
Sounds to me like the Des Moines police are afraid to do their job.Move out of the way and let some new blood take over the investigations of unsolved murders.
My thoughts exactly..I am her daughter and it has been a complete nightmare dealing with Dmpd and getting justice for my mother. Keep us in your prayers!
I am glad so many Have not forgotten my dear brother. Mom and I were there at the funeral, it was such a shock, I couldn’t believe it happened to my dear brother. I am older now and have medical problems, so I would love seeing it resolved before I go home to be with Jesus!
I can only assume that the statement “did not die of smoke inhalation” means that smoke was not found in his lungs. Does anyone else think it possible the child was dead/killed before the fire started?
Jim, he was not deceased first. His cause of death is thermal injures. No smoke in his lungs because his airways were literally burned before the smoke could get there.
I tried to contact you via email a few years ago. Jody and Tim as well. I only heard back once. I still am waiting to go back and do my senior project for my bachelor’s degree in Criminal Justice. I would be so happy to have your blessing to do so and reach out to a few contacts Jody sent me. If you and/or Rick would be willing to do an interview for my thesis when I go back to school I would so appreciate it. Would you please consider?
Natalia, I responded to you via email tonight, and will check back in with you tomorrow (Thursday). Thanks so much for writing and your willingness to help us work toward justice in Ricky’s case!
Natalia, first off I want to apologize for not getting back to you sooner. I talked to Rick the same day I saw your message and then I spaced off replying and that’s my fault. Again, I apologize.
You have both of our blessings as wells as Reggy’s. We would be happy to do an interview with you and answer any questions you may have. Ricky stated he would like it if you could work it around his work schedule. He generally has most weekends off. If that won’t work for you he said he could always participate over the phone. Looking forward to hearing from you. Thank you for taking an interest in Ricky’s case.
I am a retired Illinois State Trooper and worked in District 21 Ashkum at the time.I was not involved in the investigation, however,I do feel it was a case that should have been solved.Sunday, new week, possible tollway video and toll booth on I-80 and location of her recovered vehicle. These factors alone would lead me to believe the route taken by the offender was I-80 to Rt. 59 south to I-55 in Bloomington to I-44 St. Louis and southwest to location where victim found. A large number of truck stop on the route. I don’t know anything about the specific of the case at the time, however a major aggressive in investigation by FBI, Illinois,and Missouri State Police manpower I think would have solved the case.
Fiction makes for great reading material and some of this story is pure bullshit made up by people wanting to add to the story how many decades later?? Your not a fact checker you make your own opinions and listen to hearsay without any responsible reporting, because I would love nothing more than to see a copy of my dad’s non existent suicide letter, and I’m sure his suicide had nothing to do with his mental illness or my parents separation. Funny I was told 3 years ago that my dad went to Kenny’s house but he wasn’t home, now it’s he went to his job? Let’s at least keep it consistent. This really is the lowest that people can stoop to talk about someone who has been dead for so long and to let his children read that he wrote a suicide note because of something that happened 20 years before he died, because not one person in my family has ever seen this alleged note. This is disgusting.
Kim Gill, I am so sorry that, your Dad, was put into this article. It is bad enough, that one family, had to suffers though this. Then to add another family with no prove of a letter! I went to school with your dad. I was back in town shortly, after his death. My Grandmother told me about it and she said Gordon, mother had been worried about him because he had be so depressed and recently been separated from his wife. I too, as many do suffer from mental illness, it is a hard thing to ask for help for, and a hard thing to treat. I hope you learn not to let the fool out there hurt. No one know your Dad like you and yours. He was a good person. And nothing anyone can say can hurt him now. So don’t let it hurt you. God Bless you and your family.
Hello! I’m a granddaughter of the other deceased man, Paul Rayer, in this case. I would love to speak with you, Cindy Chevalier, regarding this case. I called the phone numbers above to try to get a phone number for you, but the police dept. did not help me very much. I was transferred many times and finally to an area without much ambition to help me get in contact with you. Maybe you can email me if you see this. Or I’d love to talk to you, Mr. Kerns. I’ve also always wanted to help solve the death of my grandfather! I may or may not have a bit of information to share. Tina Raytel88@att.net
This article has said that 2 boys from Illinois killed her years ago…Now it doesn’t even mention them… people and investigators need to make their own judgements based on facts and not rumors
Yeah my good friend Billy worthen was arrested and wrongfully accused for this. So sad and tragic but wrong of the law enforcement officials to wrongfully accuse and treat a man so poorly..
Laura Barlow….how do you know Guy and about his case?? Im his cousin..his mom is my Aunt Nancy…we would love to hear about any informationyouve gathered..please and thank you. Thank you for not letting his memory just fade💖
How far away from the archery club where they? Was anyone from there interviewed? I am a mushroom hunter. For years i walk those hills. Always looking..Thanks.
Thank you Brian….we so appreciate you keeping him in your thoughts when you are in the area! Not sure how far from the archery area the camp was but we will look into it for sure. All of the scouts and scout leader were interviewed…but not sure how far out they reached.
Please let us know if you think of anything else.
Sincerely,
Laura Knowles
Laura…
The scout master and scouts were interviewed in depth. I can promise you without a doubt that there was no foul play. If you have any questions please feel free to ask.
Hi Jeff! As I have talked to my family extensively and understand that you have spoken to each of them extensively. Please know the next generation of Guys family has surfaced and doing everything and anything we can to try and solve this case. Thank you for your honesty and know we are doing anything and everything we can to solve this case. I have seen how many times you have claimed to know information and I have no doubt that you do. This child has not been found and I make it my life’s mission to solve who kidnapped my second cousin. We would love to speak to you but already know the information that you have given. Fresh eyes is ultimately what this case needs and we won’t sleep until there is justice for guy!
Hi Laura – Uncle Howard was one of my absolute favorite people in the world! His sweet nature and contagious laugh will never be forgotten. I just wish there had been some closure for him while he was still living. Aunt Nancy is still alive and doing well. We spent time in the summers with Howard and Nancy and the kids regularly – Guy was about 6 years older than me, but was always kind, sweet and fun. It’s just not right that people have to go their whole life without closure for something so personal and close to the heart. Thanks for replying and reaching out. I hope someday there will be some answers.
I remember the day I was told. It was two days after my brothers birthday. It was the night/morning after his party and I have the last card they gave to anybody in our family. I went through middle and high school remembering the pain and thinking through this. It still breaks my heart that somebody would do something this heinous and that it could’ve been because of some stupid auction.
I just want closure. Even if My great-grandma Kay is dead, and we can’t talk to her again, I just want to know what happened. The pain and speculation hurts and it messes people up. It messes families up and it makes mental health work.
I love them so much. I miss them so much.
I will go into my Senior year with pain in my heart that they can’t see me achieve my dreams like they wanted to.
And they they can’t see my brother do that either.
Jo, I’m so sorry your great-grandparents’ case remains unsolved and so many questions have gone unanswered. It’s a terribly heavy burden to bear, especially not knowing what happened to your great-grandma or the “whys” behind these crimes.
Please enter your senior year with confidence and determination to still achieve the goals and dreams you set out to achieve. (And this includes your brother.) These are “your” dreams – your lives – and they matter every much as your great-grandparents’ lives mattered. Don’t give up on seeing justice service in this heinous crime, but don’t let those responsible get away with destroying even more lives by holding you back.
Investigators have never given up on solving this case, and just because they’ve made no arrests doesn’t mean they don’t know who did it and aren’t working to make charges stick once they’re filed. They get only that one chance. Anyone who’s lost a loved one knows it alters our perception of the world in which we live, but it doesn’t mean you can’t still live yours to its fullest potential, just as those now gone would have wished.
My deepest condolences to all your family members.
Can’t believe after all this time that adam Schumacher hasn’t been investigated…… at least given a hard, hard look….. fucking snake works at fed ex I think? Carma is a bitch…… every one is fooled by the church, family guy image….. well, behind the mask……..P*%#& of. S*#”
Warren prosecutors suck that’s why this hasnt been solved, if this were to happen in polk county alot more intensive investating would take place. I live less than few miles from the woods murder and this isnt the 1st time foul play happens across county lines it’s sad but an entire family was murdered 32 years down the street my folks live on few miles fro. The woods and an murdered woman body also found by hunters to complete separate case from the woods. I hope they find whoever’s did this but I also hope warren county finds better prosecutors
I sat through most of this trial as a totally unbiased observer. I had never heard about the case before. Do I think she’s guilty? Absolutely. It was obviously a crime of passion. All of the pieces of the puzzle seem to point to Terry Supino as the murderer. But, if I had been a juror, I could not have convicted her. There was no hard evidence that tied her to the crime. No murder weapon. No blood found on clothes or vehicles. All the evidence was circumstantial. And that’s not enough to convict. Fascinating case.
Due to it being a crime of passion, is the main reason why this evil b**** got off scott free. Now, had she not had the murder weapon when she found them together, left only to come back with every intention to kill…is then considered premeditated and she would’ve been found guilty. I don’t know how a person who has pretty much sold her soul to the devil, can sleep at night. Oh wait…yes as a matter of fact I do…to her (as you see in many different pictures) she’s all smiles. #ONECOLDHEARTLESSB****
Of course she did it. Who had the motive and time to do it, she did. A naked man confronts them, then orders her to get undressed? Very rarely a person ever escapes like that. She said her husband told her to run, in effect making him the hero so she didn’t die. He tied him tight but didn’t tie her tight, so she escaped. If it quacks like a …….
It amazes me that everyone here is so quick to judge. I also grew up in Dubuque, I always loved this town and it still has a spot in my heart. Yes there are cold cases, which is very unfortunate, but if you compare our list to other cities it is quite short. So in that aspect I believe our police are doing a fairly good job. It does so suck for the loved ones of these cases because they do not get their closure or justice. That doesn’t mean that these will still never be solved. As in any case, you have to trust that our officers and investigators are doing the best they can with the evidence provided. I know in a lot of cases officers may know beyond doubt who did what, but without the evidence to prove it they can’t proceed. I am not in any way saying that the people lost in these cases should be forgotten or the cases no longer worked, but more to the people commenting on here and making such judgments about the police and other people they believe to be guilty, if you think you can do a better job at solving these cases or you have such facts as to who the guilty party is then prove it and pony up on the evidence needed to solve these cases. Otherwise, shut up. This site is more for remembering the ones lost in these cases. So if you can’t do the same thing the police weren’t able to do, respect the families of the lost and offer up prayer and condolences instead of worthless judgments and false accusations.
Some of the suspects have already taken plea deals on lesser charges in exchange for their testimony against the killer/s. One of the men, Imere Hall, has already been found guilty of first degree murder, while two others still await trial on their first degree murder charges:
Since there were arrests made in Brown’s case and one person already convicted of first degree murder in his death, his case is considered solved at this point.
I’ve got good reason to believe there’s a lot more connected to Collins case than they have let on. These dumbasses in court is just the tip.
Collin was one of my roommates for more than a few occasions.
People in his immediate vicinity or circle keep changing stories. And believe me the shit that has been admitted since is completely fucked.
Law enforcement knocked off my friend and replaced him with more submissive people when he wanted to get out of that shit.
MOTHERFUCKERS ARE WANDERING OUT AND FREE AND THINKING THAT THEY CANT BE TOUCHED BC THEY ARE SET LOOSE BY THE COPS IN EXCHANGE FOR INFO
AND SOME OF THESE COCKSUCKERS THINk I dont know.
Where is the justice when we get to pay for their rent and for them to be protected for the rest of their lives? When my friend is laying in the fucking ground!
His memory has been constantly disrespected and tarnished since the goddamn funeral and now there’s a bunch of assholes set loose by the Dubuque cops thinking they can do whatever the fuck they want and poison the community, drive the good people down into the ground, and perpetuate all this misery and pain
Panamared- I’m extremely sorry and sad that you lost your friend and truly hope that life is getting better for everyone that knew and loved Collin.
You won’t want to read this because it only adds to the wounds: You should know that Collin was not an innocent individual, albeit, his life should not have ended nor should the robbery have taken place to begin with, but Collin was involved with the drug world(you being his friend should know about this to the “T”) and surrounded himself with many shady people, It is 100% nonsensical for people and his family/friends to continually hide and ignore that fact or try to justify it by other means due to his very unfortunate death.
Anyway, I thought I “knew” the killer/planner(s) of the robbery very well, as my sister had a child with
him, but could never have imagined in my wildest dreams that he would some day commit a homicide, none of us did. You need to know, as you already should, that there’s many sides to this extremely sad case. Noone should have died, but when drugs are involved, and when someone sells those bad batches of drugs(Collin) causing other people to get sick, or in one situation causing overdose that lead to death which couldn’t fully be pinpointed back to a certain person, but everyone knew due to close relations and sales contacts.. Well… You clearly know what happened after that…..
Then there were cover-ups, the media coverage, the hearings, the lies, and many stories that simply didn’t add up to the big picture, and to throw salt on the wound, Collin’s child will be raised without a father and his family and friends are at a complete loss; on top of that, my sister and family are dealing with Tacari’s aftermath as well, not only does she get his bad reputation that she couldn’t control, but now she has to raise a toddler alone because her father was involved in the drug life and committed this disgustingly heinous crime leading to a life behind bars. And…. not just Collin’s case, but 1000s of cases throughout the U.S. have occured in similar fashion due to very similar situations which can and should be avoided by staying away from drugs.
My advice, stay away from drugs and anyone that’s involved with such practices.
Collins case was horseshit and cops replaced my friend knocked him off and replaced him rather with more submissive people. People outside the case have admitted shit and stories keep changing
They think I don’t keep track of what these bastards say when they forget he was my roomate more than a few occasions
Let’s just keep perpetuating the shit thatll eventually drive all of dubtown into the ground. Assholes set loose by the cops thinking they can do whatever the hell they want poisoning the community.
Kharma is very unforgiving v
So, wait. You’re saying that the police killed Collin Brown, in order to “replace” him, and then pinned it on others? Am I getting that right?
How about in the future you refrain from making such ridiculous accusations, especially considering the authorities did an excellent job in closing that case. Crackpot theories and false rumors are a huge reason that a lot of these cases remain unsolved. They only serve to muddy the waters, and take up valuable time and resources to investigate.
Or Brandon O’Rourke. I graduated with that man.
Bottom line is there is no justice when we get to pay these fuckers’ rent for the rest of their lives
As they sit and smile in court and even at our friends funerals.
Rest in peace Dubuque.
My friends memories have been lost tarnished forgotten thrown away starting at their own goddamn funerals!
What? So some assholes can make more money off of our blood and tears as concern is pushed aside for the “growth” of Dubuque into a fucking tumor
They were just kids and I won’t forget. And kharma hurts real fucking bad
Like how bad it hurts seeing my friends being put to rest into the fucking dirt every time. People don’t learn unless it’s the hard way because guess what
Human beings are the only creatures to claim a good, but we are the only ones who also act like we ain’t got no one to answer to in the end
This is Collin Browns dad. Collin was into drugs and selling, tho he did not deserve to die, he still did wrong. We are fighting a spiritual battle that we can’t win alone. When the men who killed my son were convicted, I forgave them at their sentencing. You see unless we all accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, we will all end up in hell. So you think that those who killed Collin are getting away your wrong they still have to pay eternally, unless they accept Jesus and ask for forgiveness. So I am asking you all to repent of your sins and ask Jesus Christ to be your Lord and Savior.
This really is crazy I was born and raised here and I only new about the 3. OK I understand the cops are busy (not) but really these are peoples loves ones. No answers dont have a clue were there at. Get your asses out there and do your jobs you can’t till me there’s no desk cop that would love a cold case. If theses were my loves ones my butt would be down at the police station every single day till I died. To theses family ?
It’s been how many years & the cops still don’t know who Marlons killers are he was a good kid no one need to die at a young age he had is whole life ahead of him ?? Rip Marlons
WPD sucks! I can’t count how many times I’ve called & got the run around! It makes me sick to think that my mother’s death will remain unsolved, because they didn’t take their jobs a lil more seriously.
I pray for all the other Families, that have lost loved ones, to gun violence. I hope that WPD does a better job, in those cases.
I feel the same way, my brother is still a cold case, I called the WPD with leads by doing my own investigation and by the time they looked into them the people couldn’t be found for questioning, well of course not if you wait weeks before attempting to follow up on the lead I give. I put it in God’s hands now because all it does is make me angry and depressed. Good luck and I hope you get some type of closure
I live in Storm Lake and I remember when this happened. Who just throws away a baby? And then the poor thing goes through a shredder? Who ARE these people?
I currently live in Osage and appalled but not surprised that there are people in this area who are unjust. I cannot believe…. Actually there are so many parts that I cannot get past. How do people get away with this!!! Wow just wow ?
Whenever an election for County Attorney or Sheriff or Assessor or County Trustees or County Soil and Water Conservation Board Members if you see and smell too many crooks or CAFO’s consider running for the Board as too many building contractors or developers do run for that Soil and Water Conservation Board and get elected just by getting their name on the ballot, no position on CAFO’s given until they get on the Board that issues CAFO Building Permits. Iowans, get involved, Protect our Water. Veronica Lack
Oh my gosh. He had a baby born two weeks after his murder! Horrible. Any idea if the car was a dump site or belonged to the killer? Could the owner of the car have also been a victim? This seems so perplexing.
How can anyone live with themselves after killing this very young dad? Condolences to his mom, friends, and other family.
I think it would be great if people stopped attacking the family members for their mistakes and drug use. Did you see yesterday’s Des Moines Register? Lyric’s parents and Elizabeth’s father (Mr. Collins on this page – sorry for your losses, sir) went into detail about their mistakes, how they’ve paid for them, and what they’re doing now to make things better and honor their daughters’/nieces’ memory.
Mr. Collins lost his daughter, his niece, his marriage, his peace of mind and much more. Why dig in deeper?
Lots of people in Iowa are on meth. Most Iowa meth dealers I am aware of are small time losers who will be caught by LE long before they can do serious damage (in the form of murders and stuff, obviously they’re doing damage to addicts and their families).
This was in no way set up as if to “send a message” as dealers and the mafia do. They would have been left in front of their homes, or photos would have been sent of them harmed before they died. Someone wanting money would keep them alive or the perception that they were alive in an effort to collect. Someone wanting money would threaten or harm the adults who actually owe them money (perhaps by threatening the children, yes).
This seems more like one or more pedophiles or a thrill killing. :-(
Can’t believe you said that !? Really !, don’t dig deeper to find out who did this ??? Wow ?!
Do you have any knowledge of the workings of a drug cartel ? The parents may not know the specific killer but they DO know why thoes beautiful little girls lives we taken !
These drug cartel enforcer are animals but they are also magnificently smart. They know exactly where the focus would be and that is excatly what happened, the “child molester in a white van” theory. These murders were a direct result of the parents “bad habits”.
I say keep digging til you hit China ! Thoes girls deserve it.
FWIW, Dustin Honken and Angela Johnson, both “small time” meth dealers in the Mason City area, kidnapped and killed five people in 1993 order to send a message not to squeal. Three of their victims were an innocent woman and her two young daughters who happened to be dating one of Honken’s former dealers…they were considered collateral damage in Honken’s quest to shut his victims up. The victims were all shot and buried in shallow graves around the Mason City area. So it’s not impossible that a dealer would do something like that to someone’s child in order to ensure silence.
Thank you Kim for looking outside the box.
I lived in Dade county Florida (Miami) for 3 short years back in the 80s where a close relative worked with one of the early drug task force’s in the state. Some of the most disturbing drug related killings was that of drug dealers luring the children of lower level user’s and dealer’s that had stolen product from them or owed money for drugs used.
They would kill the children and lay them face down with their arms folded under their heads as if they were sleeping. Not all mutilated like you would expect from such animals.
They would also target “drop off” spots for their bodies where know abductions had taken place so the public would automatically think it was a child molester/killer.
Now, is it clearer that this is realistic ?
Again Thank you Kim.
Anon, I looked and Google hasn’t actually removed the “street view” for 717 Franklin Ave. in Des Moines, but rather removed the image of the house itself. (I have no idea why.) I still have a large photo of that apartment building, and when I checked realtor.com and trulia.com, both sites still had images of the house as well.
Do you believe someone who may have lived in this home had something to do with Jo Jo’s death?
Anyone interested in Justice for Iowans and Gary and Adam Lack (who were murdered, Adam just the day after he asked his Mom to get copies of her well tests, that the Iowa DNR agents and Mitchell County authorities were hiding from her) please come to the Polk County Courthouse at 8:30 am on Wednesday, July 19th, 2017, at 500 Mulberry Street, Des Moines, IA.
Veronica Lack filed a Civil Rights case CVCV046761 in 2010 to try to get copies of the list of contaminants being Illegally Point Source Drained down the huge Sinkholes in Cedar (W) Township Mitchell County Iowa’s Aquifer Recharge Area after the Iowa DNR had charged her with Blockage of Water and allowed the huge Flood Channel to be dug through her farm, digging away 42 acres of her 90.36 CSR topsoil without her permission and with no reimbursement or use of Eminent Domain Laws — just theft and trespass.
Veronica Lack could give them no access since the legal 404 drainage permit for her farm would not allow her to add even 10 acres more of her own farm’s Drainage to the Designated National Wetland’s Sinkholes. The IDNR had Discriminated against Veronica in not requiring the polluting farmers and their contractors to obey both the Iowa Drainage laws and the Clean Water Acts Anti-Degradation Laws as were strictly enforced on Veronica. Veronica still is trying to get access to the list of contaminants she tried to filter from her new deeper well that was causing the miscellaneous masses and tumors in farm animals and the cancers and asthma, COPD, neurological effects, tremors, skin and eye damage, erosions to throats and intestines.
Her family, extended family, and neighbors and friends in Floyd County and Downstream in the eight counties this Plume of Contaminants is effecting are being exposed to this building and on-going contamination of the Cedar Valley Group Aquifers. If Veronica and the well owners Downstream could get the list of contaminants that are testing positive around their wells/in the aquifer their well draws from, they could maybe filter them out or drill to a yet safe aquifer, if they have that option, to protect their health as 7,000 Cerro Gordo County Residents were given the options to protect their health from high levels of Arsenic.
Big IDNR data files of well test reports, both at the IDNR and at the U. of Iowa’s 3 Hygienic Labs could be downloaded into the 3D GIS Arc Desktop Application used at the beginning of 2016 by the Board of Health, Iowa DNR, and U. of Iowa 3-D GIS Arc Software mapped the well test reports of the contaminant Arsenic in only one Iowa County, Cerro Gordo. Iowans access to the contaminants the Iowa DNR had condemned her first farm well for in 2004 and then after Adam asked her to get the copies of her old and new wells test reports to find out what the IDNR had condemned her wells for as she has wanted to complete the job Adam had requested of her on 7/12/2008. Veronica Lack
It’s very obvious that this horrible tragic event took place because of the heavy drug use and selling of drugs within the families.
This actually happens a lot within the world of illegal drug use and dealing of drugs.
They either received drugs that couldn’t be paid for or they stole drugs from dealer.
It is very common for revenge to be taken out on the loved ones in this fashion.
Some think it was a botched kidnapping/ransom scenario that went wrong ?
Why did the brother vanish so quickly after the girls were declared missing ?
Either way, look deeper into the families connection with the drug world and you WILL find the killer/killer’s.
I think people want to blame the alleged drug use of the families because, they can’t accept the real truth. Here it is, as I see it, and this site PROVES, children get abducted and murdered everywhere. Even in rural Iowa. I think it is easier to blame the families, so we can all feel a bit safer, and better about ourselves when we let our own kids ride bikes or play outside alone.
Five blocks from my home a murdered woman’s body was dumped. I live in a town of 500. My family refused to tell me because they” didn’t want to scare me” … deluded and risky…
Btw, only one set of parents was connected with drugs. Even if they were the meth dealers of the year, did they deserve this? No. Roger, Please don’t feel like I am attacking you directly, I’m just trying to shed light on this blind spot we Iowans seen to have regarding murder, and the reasons it occurs. Even if I am proven wrong by an arrest of a drug cartel member, other children and adults in this state have been spotted, stalked, killed, and dumped. Drew, if you’re out there you and your family are victims too! You deserved better, so did your little ones.
In no way do i feel attacked by you making a comment, that’s why we are members of this site, to bring minds together.
I’m not pushing this off on “Drugs” because it’s the path of least resistance, I’m stating known and proven facts. These were not not run of the mill “Druggies” that you see on tv sitting on a tore up couch in a 8’×25′ mobile home.
They simply got in too deep with professional drug dealers and as i said before, very common practice to have the children kidnapped for ransom or as in this case, murdered.
Believe me, sometimes the general public knows way more than law enforcement agencies will ever know and to me those people are just as guilty as the killers for keeping that information secret.
I’m being a broken record here, but for a good reason…LOOK DEEPER INTO THE CONNECTIONS THE >FAMILIES< HAD IN THE DRUG WORLD…
The killers are there !
You’ve been watching too much television. Law enforcement has already repeatedly stated there is no evidence to suggest the crime was drug-related or some kind of “retaliation” from some nefarious Midwest cartel. They know what they’re doing more so than anonymous people on the internet who are convinced their baseless accusations and unrealistic theories are “the truth” despite a lack of any kind of evidence to support them.
Roger, How is it “obvious” that this tragic event took place because of the heavy drug use and selling of drugs within the families? So, you must know exactly who did it and why. Have you told any law enforcement that you know all these details?
I can pass your name and info to them so they can contact you, since you know the facts…
I always thought it was someone working for the DOT. That section of hwy 20 was under construction for months. People on the crew could have seen them alone every day on those paths. Why not see who called in sick the day they disappeared?
I don’t see anything about the car, other then it was a gold in color 1994 Geo Prizm. So was her car also missing, and has it been found or recovered. What is the license plate number.
From the Billings Gazette, November 9, 1973: “DIVORCES GRANTED Karen L. Hanni from Jesse J. Hanni. ” Interesting!
From the Billings Gazette, Wednesday, February 27, 1974: “Jesse J. Hanni. 25. of 125 Broadwater fined $25 for shoplifting.”
From the Arkansas City Traveler, May 22, 1973: “Four Youths Are Held On Dope Charges.” An early morning call reporting a disturbance at 111 North B St resulted in the arrest of four youths on charges of marijuana possession. The class A misdemeanor
charge in addition to disorderly conduct was made against Ernest W. Isom II, Frieda Bosick (sic), Frazier R. Brown, Jr., and Juanita S. Hay early Tuesday by City Attorney David Lord. Lord also serves as deputy county attorney. A call to city police at 1:20
am by James Sanderholm, owner of the apartment building, was made because of the excessive noise in the basement apartment Upon entering the apartment, police notified the odor of marijuana and Lord was called to the scene. A search warrant was obtained from .Judge David Mills and a search yielded a small quantity of marijuana seeds, hypodermic needles and other narcotics paraphernalia. The four appeared before
Judge Mills Tuesday morning and bond was set at $1000 each. A request by the four for a court appointed attorney was taken under advisement and the court date set for May 24 at 9 am.”
So at least 2 were using hard drugs intravenously, also.
3 days later the paper reported: “Ernest William Isom II, 111 North B, pleaded guilty to possession of marijuana and was sentenced to six months in the county jail and fined $300 plus $16.70 court costs. He was paroled for one year. Freida Bosick (sic), 111 North B, pleaded guilty to possession of marijuana and was sentenced to six months in the county jail and fined $300 plus $16.70 court costs She was paroled for one year. Frazier Brown Jr ., 124 N. Fourth St., pleaded guilty to possession of marijuana and was sentenced to 6 months in the county jail and fined $300 plus $16.70 court costs. He was paroled for one year. Juanita Sue Ray, 102C South Fifth, pleaded guilty to possession of marijuana and was sentenced to six months in the county jail and fined $300 plus $16.70 court costs. She was paroled for one year.”
From the Billings Gazette, May 23, 1970: “Army Pfc. Jesse J. Hanni, son of Mr. and Mrs. Eddwin L. Hanni, Route 2, Roberts, has been awarded the Combat Infantryman badge while stationed near An Khe, Vietnam, as a rifleman in the 4th Infantry. He is a 1967 graduate of Roberts High School.”
From the Billings Gazette, September 20, 1970: “Army Spec. 4 Jesse Hanni, 21, son of Mr. and Mrs. Eddie Hanni, Roberts, has been promoted to specialist four near An Khe, Vietnam, as a rifleman with the 4th Infantry. He entered the Army in April, 1869.”
Thank you, Tina for posting the truth. Leanne did not “disappear” but was granted full and permanent custody. Donald Knight had years worth of chances to have SUPERVISED visitation.
A grandparent chosen over a biological father is almost unheard of and the court file shows all the reasonings of the various judges.
After watching the Forensic Files episode on John Joubert, I can’t help but feel there has to be a connection with this missing case. John kidnapped and killed a 13 year old newspaper boy in Bellevue, Nebraska on September 18, 1983. He also killed another boy ,12 years old, in the same area on December 2, 1983. Bellevue and West Des Moines, IA are connected by I-80. A witness in the Johnny Gosch mentioned a car with Nebraska license plates. He killed an 11 year old boy on August 22, 1982 in Portland Maine before he moved to Nebraska. He probably would have traveled through Des Moines on his move from Maine to Nebraska and felt somewhat comfortable with the area and its proximity to I-80. Another interesting connection is that (including Johnny) the dates all fall on a Sunday. The other one is on a Friday (December 2 1983) boy walking to school.
Only thing is that John Joubert never traveled very far with his victims (3 to 4 miles). But if he was involved in the West Des Moines abduction he might have traveled a little longer and probably along I-80. Would be nice to be able to determine where John Joubert was when Johnny Gosch disappeared.
Joubert was ruled out by police in Johnny’s case because he was working at a paint company in Portland, Maine at the time. He didn’t move to Nebraska until July 15th, 1983, which was about ten months after Johnny even disappeared. In my mind, I’ve no doubt Joubert was definitely not responsible for Johnny’s disappearance.
I grew up in the big yellow house his son lived in at the time of the murder… just down River Road. The story I was always told was these guys were looking for the son’s cash stash and when they couldn’t find it or him, they went to the fathers house to demand he go get it. Well, the rest you know.
There are murderers who cover the face of the victims they know and murderers who cover all mirrors to ensure they don’t see themselves because in their mind, it’s not them commiting the crime. There was no evidence of sexual assault on the girl but there was evidence of defensive wounds. Could it be possible that she’s the only one who saw the killers face and recognized them and she was left in a sexual pose to shame her so she wouldn’t be believed or even heard in the spirit life so that when the killer died, there would be no judgement from her words?!? Remember that this was 1912 and an unmarried female who wasn’t a virgin would be prosecuted in heaven and on earth. Also think about the fact that in the old testament it is a sin to eat pork because it’s a white meat, the same as humans. If the murderer actually took the large slab of bacon out of the house freezer, maybe they were murdered for the sin of eating pork ?! I believe that anyone capable of commiting a crime like this has to be mentally ill; even psychotic, which means they wouldn’t think the same as someone without mental illness. Therefore, possibly making all reasons for why/how things were done totally impossible to figure out. Just my thoughts !
The very first fact that your comment twisted is why many have followed false leads and gossip…that’s a shame. Do you know that in 1912, penetration was the gauge for ‘assault’ of a GIRL, but a married woman could not accuse anyone of rape…no matter what the circumstances or the perpetrator. Children had less… no rights. No voice…they worked without pay, and were subjected to any condition at the will of their ‘father /provider’. Women were considered as valuable as livestock and married for the dowry to enhance the position in the community, and would lose title to their ‘joint’ property when the husband died for any reason.
Ever think it might have been the neighbors son? He was mentally I’ll and she could have came over and covered their faces and the mirrors…she could have been the one to clean up the mess. She was up early washing clothes and why did she call the brother instead of walking over there and knocking on the door? We will never know….
Please, if you know of anyone that could sit and support me, Adam’s Mom, at the Polk County Courthouse on July 19, 2017 or march with signs supporting Clean Safe Drinking Water for Iowans, tell them I could use the support call me at 319-430-3957 to make sure the time, location, and date don’t get changed. Veronica Lack
Yellow Bag, if you are still around, can you take your info to Nancy Grace, or some tv show since the police do not seem interested. I found a link on google from the DMR stating that Wilbur Milhouse was arrested for sexual abuse of 6 teen age boys in 1987. The artical states he was 44, not 25 like you remember, but you were just a kid then and 25 and 44 might have been the same to you. If you search “Wilbur Milhouse sexual abuse” on google, you will find the article. I cannot access it as I dont have a subscription.
I had a lengthy conversation with the detective investigating this case. He promised to follow up on that information, and I trust he will. At this point, I think I have done all I can do. My information about a local pedophile who knew Johnny and talked about why Johnny was kidnapped apparently does not interest some of the international conspiracy theory buffs. So be it, I told what I saw and heard. As for Millhouse, he was not the man in the Ford Fairmont, but I saw Millhouse with that man at a Register function. Millhouse was not a big man, he was really kind of a “sissy” with a childlike personality. I doubt if he could have personally kidnapped a healthy teenager. Millhouse’s younger buddy, however, was tough and had a look of pure evil in his eyes when he demanded that I get into his car. I still remember carrying a big hunting knife in my yellow newspaper bag from that point on, just in case the guy came back for me. For weeks, I would duck between houses any time I saw a Ford Fairmont coming down the street. The Register held frequent circulation drives, contests, and social events for newspaper carriers in the early 80’s. I often saw Millhouse hanging out with a small group of creepy men at those functions. I never knew who they were, I just assumed they were Register employees. The other district managers tended to avoid Millhouse and his buddies. I wonder now if they suspected the guys were pedophiles. I believe Millhouse was employed by the Register from around 1980 to 1983, but not arrested until the fall of 1986. Johnny Gosch was kidnapped in 1982, Eugene Martin in 1984, and Marc Allen in the spring of 1986. After Millhouse was arrested and sent to prison, the kidnappings stopped. Quite a coincidence, isn’t it?
Yellow Bag – Thank you for replying. I think your right – there is not much more you can do. That must have been scarey times for you! It is hard not to believe that somehow Millhouse’s pedophile buddies did not have something to do with Johnny’s disappearance. Sorry I did not reply earlier…I was unable to log in.
What the fuck if you have any information I would say there’s plenty of information right there fucking government nothing gets done because they’re all fucking crooks and murders for them to think they need more information about this case is just simply a cover-up
At court on June28th, 2017 only one person, who I did not know, sat in the back as the Attorney General’s attorney David Stewart represented the State of Iowa and the Iowa DNR as the defendants in my Civil Rights charge CVCV046761. My attorney Erik Fisk sat beside me agreeing to most of the assertions of David Stewart, and I was not allowed to speak. I did get a copy of the transcript before I responded as they had wanted me to agree to no warning of the well owners of the contaminants that caused our tumors and cancers and tremors, neurological effects, asthma, skin rashes, throat erosions, damaged intestinal linings, scaring of our eyes, and other health effects. Judge Jeanie K. Vaudt seemed to read through their pretense however and asked if the DNR just maintains a repository and they never put information into it.
The millions in our tax dollars over the years that the IDNR has spent collecting water samples and storing the data with no feasible access to the positive Contaminant well test data, after citizens and private and public well owners have tried to test for what is killing their animals and a request made by a well owner (public or private) and the IDNR only says to test for Nitrates and Bacteria and tells us to Chlorinate when the Bacteria levels are up. There are 600-700 contaminants to test for especially in this Ag state where Iowa’s Source Waters test at the highest levels in the Nation for Anhydrous Ammonia and CAFO (Bacteria) Nitrogen fertilizers and Iowa’s DNR does not tell us to test for NITRITES, Ammonia Nitrogen as N or even Cyanobacteria before we Chlorinate.
Please if you know of anyone who would sit quietly in court on July 19, 2017 in the Polk County Courthouse,500 Mulberry Street, Des Moines, Iowa (June’s hearing was in Courtroom 404 by 8:20am to support my suit to try to get Adam’s USDA-NRCS RUSLE3 utilized and first get Iowan’s warned in the Plume from Cedar (W) Township’s illegally built Flood Drainage of about 50,000 acres of Farm fertilizers and herbicides and pesticides down the Sinkholes in the Aquifer Recharge Area of the Designated National Wetland. This contaminates the well water for 1/2 million Iowans Downstream especially along the west side of the Cedar River through Floyd, Butler, Bremer, Black Hawk, Benton, Lynn, and Johnson Counties. Don’t bring any weapons, just stand with me when the Judge enters. We want to know what is killing our animals in high numbers, and what is damaging the health of so many Iowans unless they can afford to drill a much deeper well or have a series of very costly filters, if its possible to treat their water safely. We need to know what contaminants we are drinking to protect our and our loved ones health.
Bars association members are as dirty as you get. All lawyers are actors for the govt. Never trust a dirty lawyer ………. We need to put these people behind bars. It’s us we the people that need to go get them an put them behind bars.
This case makes a person sick, manslaughter I don’t think so, this devil needed the death penalty,.. Why was she naked from the waist down. We all know why, and all this dog got was ten years. If she were my daughter, I would be waiting when he got out.
No evidence of murder, sudden infant death syndrome, does not usually have an illness associated with it. That is why it is called sudden infant death syndrome.
There is much about illness and SIDS that we do not know yet. It would be a great travesty of justice to convict these people with no evidence of murder.
This nott headed pathologist or what ever he is, should know better, rare things do happen, just because they are rare does not mean they never happen.
It could very well be, these babies inherited a rare malefunktion of the brain that forgets to tell them to breath.
If there is no evidence of murder, why in the h_ _ _ would any one call it murder.
Marie, no one here is denying that Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) exists. In fact, research shows the rates of SIDS varies tenfold in developed countries from one in a thousand to one in ten thousand unexplained deaths of children less than one year of age. Pathologists ARE trained, however, to recognize and identify one of several very specific underlying susceptibility factors in order to rule cause of death as SIDS. (Search SIDS on Wikipedia or, better yet, explore the topic on the Mayo Clinic’s website or the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development.)
It takes great courage (and years of experience) for an M.E. to *rule out* SIDS — which is what happened in Tamara Lass’s case — when he could have made things so much easier on himself by attributing her death to SIDS. What I found so unsettling about your comment, however, is your intimation that “these babies inherited” a rare malfunction of the brain “that forgets to tell them to breath.” Did you not see that Tamara’s 6-day-old brother, Shane, was killed by blunt force trauma to the head? That, too, will cause an infant’s brain to forget how to breathe, and Shane’s cause of death wasn’t ruled SIDS, either. These two siblings did not inherit some rare brain malfunction. This is NOT a matter of “personal opinion” (neither mine nor anyone else’s), but is a matter of fact. Look it up under the Freedom of Information Act.
There are countless loving and decent parents out there who do everything right with new babies, and it angers me that they often have to endure an unwarranted stigma when they lose a baby to SIDS. This stigma wouldn’t exist if not for other types of parents who cite his or her infant’s cause of death as SIDS even when the state’s certificate of death and autopsy report reveal the death was NOT related to SIDS in any way.
This family was told at the hospital that their baby died of SIDS. They were never told anything differently. Years later they requsted her medical records and after bloodwork came back the ER doctor changed the cause of death from SIDS to Sepsis.
The story I heard about this murder had nothing to do with the rough crowd, she may or may not of hung around.
I heard the killer cut more than her throat, that the body hair left of her body was that of a white and black mix. That she had received anonymous phone calls, for awhile before she was killed.
It was also possible he was a serial killer, that worked as a fry cook. And often changed jobs traveling between Des Moines and Chicago.
That some believed he was also responsible for a second murder in Des Moines. Who had also received anonymous calls before her murder, in her own home, much the same, the only difference was the weapon used. Might all be just gossip.
She was into going to bars and said to have a few male friends. I would suspect one of these persons first. I am not indicating there was anything bad about her character. It has been stated a man called a neighbor a few days before and asked “Who is that neighbor woman next door”. The man did not tell him. It was also stated mixed race hair found. There was a 25 yr old mixed race man known to hate whites that confessed to the crime. He later said he made it up just to confuse things. A 14 yr old neighbor boy was questioned and by the parents consent gave him a lie detector. He was released. But he had admittedly been in the basement apartment where the linoleum knife originally was. Also he had been caught peeking in her windows. A well dressed man was seen sitting on her couch that evening. It was stated it appeared she was putting in rollers in her hair at the time she was attacked from behind. To me this indicates it was someone she knew. A few decent suspects.
If DNA could still be collected, and ran against criminal data bank, it might be possible to find the father, through him the mother. Any devil that would do this, will commit other crimes.
It takes areal devil to do something like this.
“It’s wrong to automatically assume two cases being connected.”
Absolutely. Zero evidence they are connected. All this government conspiracy nonsense does neither case any favors. If anything, just muddies the waters and guarantees no resolution. However, its “exciting” for some people to talk such theories(about all cases unfortunately).
The more likely scenario going by what the actual witnesses said, he was probably abducted/murdered by someone he knew, likely a neighbor, family friend, or subscriber to the paper along his route.
While I’m not saying I’m buying the government conspiracy stuff, that’s more likely than that they were abducted by someone they knew. That’s nonsense. Very little doubt in my mind, these were stranger abductions.
So Johnny just happens to get abducted by a stranger on the first day he’s allowed to go alone on his paper route? Eugene just so happens to get abducted by a stranger on the day he doesn’t take his older brother along with him?
Witnesses saw Eugene having a “father-son” conversation literally minutes after leaving home, which means he more than likely knew who it was. He kept talking to the guy while he folded his papers getting ready to go on his route. This also implies familiarity with his abductor.
No…a government conspiracy is not more likely than these boys being abducted and murdered by someone they knew, especially when you take into consideration the fact that most murder victims are killed by someone they know.
How in the hell is a government conspiracy MORE likely? You got any statistics or anything even remotely resembling a fact to back that up? Talk about nonsense…
Have you read about the Franklin CU cover up? There is also Paul Bonachi’s civil suit against Larry King and Paul Won. There was an underground child prostitution ring in Des Moines in the 80’s. There is also a timeline that was put together that showed many many people who were involved with this case that died and they died under very suspicious circumstances. There were a couple of deaths that were ruled suicides but yet had two gun shot wounds to the head??? DeKamps investigation is also a good read. There is so much out there about this. Project Charlie…mind control. I don’t know why it is so hard for people to believe. It happens all over the world but yet no one can believe it could possibly happen here. Victims from the old Boys and Girls Home in Omaha were able to give detailed information about rooms of the White House that were off limits to tourists and also high ranking officials who attended these parties at the White House where the children were brought. I dont know about you. It I certainly would not have known anything about the White House or who any of our government officials were, except maybe the President, when I was a young teen. And we did not have internet back then. Just sayin…sex slavery has been around for a very very long time but people are just now hearing about it.
I just wrote commented on this article first time today. I was reading through the comments and all of yours have really made me feel someone else gets it. I also would not know those details as young teen. One of the reasons why I was always so concerned my 3 year old son told me he goes on an airplane to fly to Florida we lived in Illinois. Then could show me the states on the map. Told me Florida is hot has big water. Never had he learned or experienced any of those detailed situations with me. He told me things that scare me so much that brings me to your solution we need to step in. Open eyes and ears and stop shutting our mouths.
It’s truly sad and disgusting to know that this family has taken part in so many predatory events. They seem to be sexual predators that hide behind bibles and smiles. I know that someone somewhere knows some things have occurred. Until people speak up they will continue creating victims, and that is not okay. They are known for telling accusers that they will go to hell or their words “Get a stroke at the mouth”. This basically means they wish this person would have a stroke in hopes of them being forever silent. This is so twisted. Hiding behind pulpits while committing crimes is indeed cowardly. Your wrath shall come, each of you Beets’ that hurt others in secret.
I am one of Lillian’s granddaughters. After years of searching and wondering her remaining daughters have their answers. Lillian passed away in New Orleans on 1969.
It will be 20 years this December. The fact that I’m 30 and still do not have justice or even a clue as to what happened to my mom is infuriating. Why isn’t anyone still checking on this. I have called multiple times over the years regarding my mothers case and it’s always someone new stating they need to look into it and then they will call me. Well the last time I was told that was 4 years ago. IM STILL WAITING for that phone call!!! I’m so glad to know that the person responsible for this gets to live a normal life like nothing ever happened. While I get to pick up the pieces without a mom. Getting married last year was so fun without my mom there let me tell you! I’m so disappointed by the way this case has/was handled. If this was your mom I’m sure it would be a different story. I just love that every Mother’s Day, her birthday, or even her “death” date. I can’t do anything but light a candle and cry. We have no resolve, no head stone, and no peace. With that being said; how could we have any of those things when “detectives” state they have to look into it and they will call you back and you wait years for that call. Can’t believe it takes that many years to make a phone call; but hey whenever you guys “gets around to it” let me know. I’m here.
Shanda, I hear you. (This is Carol.) My sister’s cold case (Julie Benning 1975) passed the 40 year mark, then 43, and still no answers, despite my having devoted a great deal of time hunting down names and clues in my sister’s diary–the #1 perp fled to Vegas, and I flat out gave up. I hope you find answers. My family at least had the consolation of the body being found after missing Nov-March. Nobody really “gets over it” but we move on because we have to, while part of us is left behind. And knowing the killer(s) walked free and lived to have grandchildren who adore them: meh!
Some of these agencies will only relook at the case, when there is a tip. Others because of the new forensic tools, are rechecking evidence that they have.
In a recent cold case a new investigator was looking a the files. He looked at the crime scene photos, and noticed a glove in the photos. He checked and found they still had the glove, and had it tested and it led to the offender. All, this time the answers were in the original case file. Which is something mentioned in their review of cold cases.
Investigators in Orange County, arrested a James Neal, (72), for the murder of a young girl walking home from school. She disappeared and was found dead, in July 1973. So their is arrest of the offender came from DNA Genealogy. This is 45 years after the incident took place.
Also, investigators in LA County, also arrested an offender in the disappearance and murder of an 11 year old boy, from Ingleside, California, in 1990. The arrest came from basic investigation, and some forensics. They did not wait for someone to provide them with a tip. However, they believe that someone else was involved in the case.
Sometimes it takes the local prosecutor to push the local’s. In Ohio, the new district attorney in a county decided to relook at everything. They ended up arresting and charging the guy, that they suspected of the crime. The prosecutors back then did not think they had the evidence to go to trial.
I would try and get your mothers case into the local television media, or even to television programs that relook at cold cases. Sometimes media attention brings pressure on the agency involved.
I have recently been diagnosed with terminal lung cancer……. I have about 6 months to live… Karen will be dead within the next 6 months…… that’s a promise
Oh hey look another dumbass that doesn’t know what he is talking about and hey look at that his name is Chris Stieker. All I am going to say is if you don’t know anything about it or don’t have something nice to say don’t say it. If you do have something to say that is constructive to the cold case then please present your case, but don’t you dare go around and speaking about something you might not know as much as you think you do on.
You are typing illiterately and all of your statements are non-factual assumptions that irritate most who love someone who is or was man just like us. No need for negative inputs pertaining to anything, catch a clue man, there is such thing as karma.
The baby murder is still a cold case
Police report said robin Magnuson knew what happened on 1/3/1975
She was killed in a motorcycle accident 7 months later in 1976
Sorry to see Judi’s mother, Norma, passed away on 06-14-2017. I recognized the name and got on IA Cold Case Files to read up on the case. My heart goes out to her family and friends.
I was interested in finding out whatever happened to this Lybarger character, mostly to see if he has killed again. I couldn’t locate him specifically but I did find this obit. Is this possibly him?
He court records show his name was Steven LYNN Lybager. Not the same – but thank you for looking.
Norma lived a long life and has now been reunited with five of her children who preceded her in death.
She will be missed.
Did the police ever look into Chelsey Tinderholts family? The other person in the accident that was hurt. Her family was extremely pissed about the accident. So who knows…. just curious..
Seriously. Of course they were pissed. Chelsey was seriously injured, but accidents happen and she was going to be fine. Don’t blame another victim or their family for whatever has happened to him. Ever occur to anyone that maybe he wanted to disappear before facing the charges he was about to face in court.. also.. just another “thought”.. This was not just some small accident, I saw what this did to Chelsey and what she had to endure. The last thing in anyone’s mind was Ben and doing anything to him. It was about getting Chelsey better. Think before you make such accusations. Chelsey and her family had gone through a lot too, not just Bens family. I pray he is somewhere safe and nothing bad has happened to him. I pray he comes home and Gives his family peace if he is able. But stop insinuating that Chelsey or her family had anything to do with it. And of course her family was questioned. Standard procedure in something like this!
This is gonna sound crazy ..it is!. I was schrolling through faceboik and seen this man missing.. i dont know him or anyone surrounding this ..after i seen his picture .and read about his age and stuff i just felt different and thoughts came to me .. please if someone could verify or dispell any of this .. cause i dont know if any of this is connected .. but this stuff came at me like i was watching a movie on tv.. i dont want to hurt anyone or stir the pot.. im not from clinton and dont know anyone from there . IM NOT A MEDIUM OR PYSCIC..NOTHING LIKE THAT ..just please read and if it means nothing .. then whatever ..if something means something .then great..
1) quarry
2)man
3) woman
4) x girlfriend
5) no drugs
6)9th ave
7)shooting
8) stomache
9)2 door newer vehicle
10) color of car… dont make sence but i got letters that im not sure about ..
O or p and an A then G or an H
Felt like he was forced in a car
Felt like 4 people
And he knew them
And thought they were friends
Robbed
Now this maybe important :
I kept getting a mans inits.. M.Q. strong feeling ..and a ladys init.. G.M
This has never happened to me before and im not trying to cause problems but i couldnt keep this inside ..
Felt like the man ..M.Q is in jail but not clinton could be prison.
I keep feeling like he is found by quarry s.w. of clinton..i dont even k ow clinton and i dont know if there is a quarry in clinton.
Clinton then go west.???? Quarry A or a z
Thats it!
My hope would be that this would help some .. but i know its probably just me connecting my thoughts to this after reading it .. i pray he is ok and found soon..and my thoughts were wrong ..
So you basically had a hallucination? Or was it your Intuition? That’s kind of scary…. what’s your name may I ask? If you wish to remain anonymous I understand. But what you just said Intriuges me a bit.
It was just strong stuff like images and feelings …none probably fit this case . Like I said though I’ve never had this happen before to me and I dont know Clinton or anyone involved here ..I did not know Ben.
Why is that..quite curious? I expressed it was a thought almost like a movie on tv .I dont expect anyone to believe it . I guess I myself felt that it might fit in somehow beings it felt so real when the intuition came to me.. a rock quarry wouldn’t be a good place to bury somone..it is all rock and people digging or working there all the time.. but it is how it came to me..I didnt want to upset anyone..I was hoping that something I felt that day would somehow fit in the puzzle.and hoped it would help in finding him.
What a terrible tragedy. To me it seems that maybe someone needs to see their victims face to remind them what they did, perhaps put up posters around the town?
KP, thanks for catching that. I found two instances where I’d inadvertently typed the name Clark instead of Carter, and have fixed both of them. So glad you brought this to my attention. All best to you.
My 2 pennies worth, if this case is still “open” and there are obviously 2 known people to have talked to and seen a man that was consistently at the crime scene with first hand knowledge of these 2 cousin possibly “messing around” with one another, my God come on people !, really?!
That’s some pretty private information if you ask me ! Guess it’s just a matter of wanting it solved or just giving up. How sad.
I see this is a “Pick n Choose” to answer type of website !.
Now I know why there are so many unanswered questions on site, what’s up with that ?. I even E-mailed one of the creator’s of this site and not a word back !. Unanswered questions=unsolved crimes.
A fresh set of eyes and minds would do wonders for this site, maybe it’s time to turn it over or shut it down if you have given up !
Don, evidently you’re not aware that ICC is *not* a law enforcement agency website staffed with investigators at our disposal. (I wish.) We work as a liaison between tipsters/families and local, state, and federal officials, but we cannot legally bring in suspects for questioning or arrest them or prosecute them. The vast majority of our readers understand how the whole concerted effort works, and they also understand that, by law, we absolutely CANNOT “put out there on our website” all known information we have about a case because doing so – whether 10 or 25 or 50 years after a crime – would not only compromise what’s still classified as “an open and ongoing criminal investigation,” but would also place a number of other lives at risk.
Let’s not forget your “not a word back!” comment and put it in perspective. On any given day, I personally deal with about 200 cold case inquiries: some via comments on pages like this; some via questions posted to ICC’s FB page; some sent to me by email; and then there are the phone calls and meetings. Let’s say after talking with a victim’s family, I write the lead investigator, but when I check my email the next day, he hasn’t responded. On the very next day, would it be in my best interest to publicly attack him for “picking and choosing” which emails he’d chosen to answer on that single day in between? After all, since I’d wanted to help, shouldn’t that take priority over his already crammed schedule? NO, IT SHOULD NOT.
One last thing. Apart from spending 10 to 14 hours a day collecting details on a case they already know they can’t put into print (but which might advance the case), people do have lives, families, will sometimes need to take a pet to the vet, eat dinner with the kids, exercise, and, if lucky, force themselves to not open one more email so 3-4 hours of sleep might still be possible. It’s 6:05 a.m. here, and no, I am “not” up early.
I have seen several unanswered posts concerning this particular case and trends to other case’s on this site. It is very contradictory to say that you are trying to solve a case, but yet will not give out information to do so ??. I have already tracked down one gentleman that has posted on this site about this case and his information is mind blowing, but yet i noticed the replies to his comments were lackluster at best ! Oh and i have been feeding cattle since 4:45am and lucky to see my wife and 4 children much before 10pm. It all depends on how passionate you are about what you do. I know from past case’s like these that there is ALWAYS a clue at the crime scene…ALWAYS. You have to take into account that this person is probably still alive and positively, 100% knew this young man and woman. He also has family/friends that have held on to this dark secret. This case needs fresh mind’s and eye’s and to hold back information just because of the age of a case is pitiful ! I believe the killer has visited the crime scene and even at his current age still does so and with today’s surveillance technology, he/them can be caught.
Thanks Don.
Is there anyway that you could have the man you spoke to who knows more go to the police with his information?
This case really hits me & I’m praying it gets solved!
Actually one of these men, is my other half. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and wasn’t convicted for a reason. The letter “N” could be ment a number of things; none of which had any connection to him. I mean no disrespect, and I wasn’t there. Don’t be so quick to judge…..
This is amazing! This poor soul has been identified, and family member(s) have FINALLY been notified. :-) After this many years, may there be many hearts happy – no matter if he was known by them, or if seriously disheartened by this man’s terrible death (like myself). :-( God’s sweet angels work in very mysterious ways and forms. Blessings to Mr. Downey’s family and all whose lives he touched.
The other killed his mom in Marion in 2007 and also went to school with Michelle and killed himself in jail shortly after. I’m sure you guys have checked all this out. Just hoping you might have missed something.
There is at least one student a year behind Michelle that I wondered if he was tested he does not match your picture but is now in prison and was arrested shortly after her death which may have let him slip under the radar. He also went to junior high with her and was arrested for kidnapping and sexual assault. This girl was kidnapped at knife point at a mall in Cedar Rapid,taken to a seclude place and assaulted..Don’t want to say his name on this site though, for his family”s sake in case he is not involved at all.This may be enough info for the detectives to figure out who I am speaking of.
A friend of mine did and Ouija board and she said they contacted a girl named Penney Watson. They asked her age too and she said she was 18. They then asked if she was good or evil and the board said neither.then it started making circles which means the spirit is trying to escape. They said bye and headed home ( they were in the middle of nowhere) my friend told me her dream and it creeped me out. She said that she was getting ready for school that she didnt recognize. She walked down the hallway and at the end there was a African american girl. She finished her classes and a black SUV picked her up. She said all she remembers was a bag going over her head. She doesn’t remember who the people were that picked her up. She continued to say that she was still dead, there was a bag over her head and they were undressing her. They then dumped her to the side of the curb of a white house. My friend woke up and she couldn’t breathe. When she told me this my brother had a panic attack and was breathing heavily. My knees felt weak and I had trouble breathing. This was just yesterday
. . .more thoughts. I remember reading somewhere there was a suspect questioned. This suspect was someone seen with Mr. Dougherty. If memory serves me right, this suspect claimed to have been in Chicago. Madison County Iowa would easily be alongreat the routeam from Sioux City to Chicago. I just wanted to share this information as these sorts of memories are what sometimes solves cold cases.
I grew up in Madison County Iowa on a farm South of Earlham. Back in 1977 or 1978 my mom and I hiked a creek bed that bordered our property. We began the hike from a road that had a bridge over the creek. Deep in the woods in the middle of the creek we found and old rusted car laying on its side. At the time, I didn’t think much of it other than it was really strange that a car was in such a remote location. However . . .after seeing a picture of the 1954 Tudor I feel the car could have been the same type or at least from the same era. I have scanned this creek using google earth but can’t see all areas due to tree cover. Also, so many years have passed, the car I saw in the 70s may not be whole any more. I emailed these thoughts to the Sioux City PD a couple of months ago and never heard back. I’d like to hike this area again but my family no longer owns land on this creek.
I was about 12 years old at the time this happened and knew all 3 of them. Kind people. Dixie was a absolute sweetheart! Chad was a very nice guy to me and I as just a dumb kid. Jason was nice as well. I believe my sister and him were friends and his nickname was packrat. Very sad that this was never solved! Small town murder where evidence was most likely tainted and removed due to inexperience. Not their fault though, just not a lot of that stuff happening there. With any luck somebody will step forward at some point and give this family some peace!
Law enforcement has repeatedly looked at Hoopy as well as his alleged drunken rantings. I was told many times by various law enforcement officials over the years there is a BIG difference between “knowing” and “proving.” Luckily there is no statute of limitations on murder. I hope your mom is found soon, Lindsey. I hope you have found a modicum of peace.
Kathleen, the names that are highlighted have individual pages on the Iowa Cold Cases website. At the top of the page, it tells readers to simply click on the black and white image for the other names, which takes one to the missing persons page on the Iowa Department of Public Safety’s Missing Person Clearinghouse page. These are still cases where we have very little information, so until we gather that info, we link directly to the MPIC site. I apologize for the confusion.
My brother, Greg, would be 66 today. He was a kind soul, probably too kind. He sometimes hitchhiked when he did not have a car. When he got a car he paid forward by picking up hitchhikers. I think he picked up the wrong hitchhiker. I love you, your brother Mike.
My mother, Barbara Dickey, Greg’s youngest sister, spoke of him often when I was growing up. So sad what happened to him. I am truly heartbroken that I never got to meet him. He sounded like the nicest guy. You are truly missed!
Mike, I am so sorry for your family’s loss. Your brother indeed sounded like a very kind soul, and it’s unfortunate that many people prey on that sort of kindness. During the 1970s, my siblings and I traveled to trapshoots all across Iowa and other states with my father, and he would often pick up hitchhikers along the way. Never once do I recall “safety” being mentioned before Dad stopped to pick them up; it just seemed like the right thing to do to help out someone who needed to go somewhere but didn’t have the means to get there.
We never felt endangered and the hitchhikers were always so gracious when Dad dropped them off — sometimes 100 miles down the interstate near the exit to a town — and we always felt our lives had somehow been enriched by hearing the “exciting” stories behind why these men were hitchhiking in the first place. (My dad loved hearing their stories and telling his own, too.) I miss the innocence we all had back then.
Do you have a photo of Greg you could share with us for use on the ICC website? (Any “family” photos are also welcome, and proper attribution will be provided for any submitted photos.) Pictures not only help our readers put a face to a name, but remind them that all our victims had lives that mattered. A photo might also spark a long forgotten memory of seeing the person at a particular location with someone, or even remind someone of “something unusual” he or she saw around that same time period. Again, I am so sorry for your loss.
I hope it is acceptable to leave a message here for Zero.
Marion Manley was from my hometown although I did not become acquainted with him until he started working for the Creston PD. I always admired & respected him. So sad to learn of his passing.
C, yes — according to Shirley’s obituary, she was just a couple of months shy of 16 when she and Bill married. It wasn’t all that uncommon back then, particularly if the parents gave consent. Many of these “young newlyweds” also stayed married for the rest of their natural lives. It’s a wonderful thing seeing couples who’ve been married 50, 60, and sometimes even 70 years.
Thank you for clarifying this, Jody. It’s not surprising “C” focuses on her age at the time of marriage. Billy G Carter was 16, just a class ahead of Shirley.
The uncommon fact is that he worked while finishing high school through half days at the school and the remainder via correspondence to earn his high school diploma and working full time as a butcher and driver to support his young family. He received an ACT score of 29, and turned down college scholarships to be with his young wife.
Shirley and Billy were still happily married after 52 years, successfully farming and raising their family against all odds.
As Jody said, the young marriage was not uncommon at the time, but there are also many failed marriages and unwed mothers. The Carters were the exception to the rule due to love, hard work, and the unique ability to stay real, honest, good people, and perseverance.
‘Happily married’ is an opinion. Unless you’re the husband or wife, the happiness of a marriage is never known. Married people only let you see what they want to divulge. And older couples show even less. Because their thought process about marriage is ’til death do us part’. Because that’s how it was way back when. None of that new fangled divorce or separation talk. Married at 16? A life of working a farm? With your spouse 24/7 for decades? Loss of monetary support? Property? Access to children and grandchildren? Not something older folks ever think is possible. Again ’til death us do part’.
It’s very true that you never know what’s really going on behind closed doors. People did marry in their teens quite a bit. But…researching my family history, I can tell you that even in those “long term marriages,” a lot of side stuff went on. A lot of divorces back in the day too, we just didn’t have the massive media we have now to hear about everything that went on.
Wow, a druggie who sold drugs and ruined other people’s lives. Ft. Dodge police and investigators have other cold cases to solve on human beings who were an asset to society. Greg got caught up with drugs and it cost him his life. That is certainly sad but he was a druggie. He’s bottom priority for Ft. Dodge police.
That was a cold ass and unnecessary comment,I personally doubt that any of the people commenting on here could care less about your useless,self righteous,opinionated opinion,obviously he was very much loved by these people and that speaks volumes about the kind of person he was
Pria, yes, the “birth” date is incorrect, but the 1914-1890 caption directly beneath Mr. Nurre’s picture is actually “part of the photo.” We have kept the image intact with the same attribution as originally submitted to the Findagrave website by W. Safford (initials “wns”).
All the referenced articles do provide the correct year of birth, but you’ve made a very good point; most readers probably don’t realize why the caption date doesn’t make sense. I’ve made a separate notation beneath the photo to explain why the 1914 date hasn’t been changed.
It is one of many interesting historical typos from years gone by. :-)
Ken, I assume Joseph was your great grandfather? Was there a son named Stephen as well? The daughter Catherine married John Reiff who was my great grandfather and that would make Henry my g great grandfather as well. This story is published in our Reiff-Nurre family tree book that was written in 1936-1938 . I currently have it being copied and preserved so I can’t get more specific right now. I don’t know if you have done any ancestry online but I may start when I get the book back. Thanks Tom
I love how the article says he served in a federal prison in Kansas in April on unrelated drug and gun charges. Those things might not have happened at the same exact time, but if there are drugs involved, some of the worst things you can think of can happen, especially with meth. Nothing good comes from that drug or that lifestyle. I don’t think it’s unrelated. They may have had their problems, but drugs always compound everything. Hopefully they will find her body. It’s doubtful he’ll ever give up the location, but maybe he will to his jailhouse buddies again. I don’t know the guy who he served with story…but I’m glad for her family that he came forward.
I have never stopped hoping Jack’s murder will be resolved. I think of him often and the fun we had as kids. His other half brothers and sister do too. He and I have the same mother and dad and had a great childhood. Sandy Price
I’m looking for a young girl that was kidnapped in Des Moines Iowa over by 8th street and murdered and the body was dumped by adventure land any help finding more info on this plz
Laurie, thanks so much for providing the correct graduation date. If you can provide me with the name of the third sister and the brothers, I’ll get them added to his page right away. I did not have that additional information. All best, and thank you in advance.
There were three men in the truck that hit Valerie.One can only hope that one or both of the men that were NOT driving the truck that hit this child wil have a guilty conciense after holding in the truth for all of these years and come forward with the name of the driver so this case can finally be closed.I don’t know how anyone could live with themself with that kind of weight haunting them.
I just came acrossed this. It gave me chills. I pray he really is okay and someday the family will know what happened for sure. I know what it’s like to lose people you care about very much. I lost my mom, dad, grandmas, grandpas, fiance, friends, animals, ect…I think it would be even harder not knowing where, how, who, ect.. I can’t imagine. My love goes out to these people!!
Every lead should be investigated.. Nobody gave u a lead and u wanna ridicule. What if thats the one lead that u needed? Now as the average public i can see why poor ben hasnt been found. U quit trying.
Shortly after the sketch of the suspect with the dark afro like hair, came out in the gazette, I saw a similar man in a car beside me at a stop light in town. I had to take my husband (at the time) to the Linn Co. jail to serve a couple days for a OWI. It was not till I got to the stop light on Oakland Rd. and 32nd St. NE that I noticed a car had been following me closely. I looked over at the car and saw this man with the dark curly hair and it scared me after seeing the sketch. I was heading back home to Center Point and he followed me the whole way there and on my tail. I was in Center Point and turned off to head home when I decided it wasn’t safe since no one was there so I sped to my parents house a few blocks away and thank God there were 2 cars in the driveway. This guy turned around in a driveway a few houses down and drove back past my parents house very slow. It was a older big 4 door, tan colored car with no license plates. When I calmed down I called the PD dept. but they didn’t ask anything further. Had I stopped at my house, hard telling what this guy would have done because he was so determined.
I’m sorry but it really looks like, from reading about all this, that both people were killed by the same individual and that the Keokuk police seem to be the one doing the cover up. I never heard of police not “requiring” much less “allowing” a family to identify their loved one. That smells bad. My sister was shot & killed & they allowed me to view & identify her. I live in another state but this is very odd, don’t you think?
We lived just to the west of the gas station. Rhonda always held my son for me while I used the phone. Rhonda deserves justice, it’s hard to believe her killer hasn’t been caught yet.
Does anyone know if the murder of Peggy Giddings in 1970, ever got solved? She lived in Millard and her father was a Fire Chief. She was found murdered in the stairway of her front door and her baby sister was unharmed, in another room. Peggy was about 18, had dark nearly black hair and lived in a split entry home. I know someone who dated her and may have some helpful information.
Please contact Omaha police at 402-444-5656 if you have information about Peggy Giddings. I am an editor at the World-Herald if you’d prefer to contact me. My number is 402 444-1082.
I thought this murder was solved. I could only find articles from the Lincoln Journal on this which is strange because it was a crime that happened in Omaha. Here is a link to one article: https://www.thedarksideofamerica.com/hill-richard-ne.html
I called the police about information I had about this crime- they told me they had the killer so didn’t need more information. Very very odd it hasn’t been brought up in the news.
Are you talking about Peggy Giddings? I guess it hasn’t been solved. I’ve tried to find out about this for years. I know her cousin Chris Powers and tried to ask her about it, but all she told me was that Peggy was her cousin. What do you know about Peggy?
Peggy Giddings’ murder remains unsolved. There was a false confession several years after the crime that led to an involuntary mental hospitalization for the supposed killer. Since Peggy’s murder was in Omaha I’m wondering if there is any website like this for Nebraska?
I remember the night Peggy was killed. I was about 7 we lived around 122nd and Woolworth. It was summer and I was out playing in our front yard. A car came racing up heading east on Woolworth and it was traveling super fast on the residential street. Like 60mph. It was crazy. The next morning we heard about the murder and I always wondered if that car was the killer racing away. Our house wasn’t far from the Giddings house.
I am from Omaha and some relatives met Tom Hill. They found him a very offensive person who leads people to believe he is a priest. He was a catholic priest but was defrocked by the Archdiocese of St. Louis. The St. Louis Paper warns that People about him posing as a priest. He wrote a book “Four Decades in Genesis” by. Fr. Thomas Matt
Since I went to school with his brother, I read. He writes in full detail how She. was murdered.
Mulch of what he says about Peggy is inaccurate.
He said she work with him which maybe try but he said that they had gotten close and talked a lot
He refers to Peggy as his first love. He say she said she was an only child (obviously not true). He said she was blond. (She had dark brown hair). He said they finely had a date with her too. one to the pool at his house to swim but did not show. He was told about the modern that night and was driven to the house. Her parents were at the neighbor and he talked to him and the took him to show him the crime seen. I find that highly unlikely they would let a fifteen year old enter a fresh crime scene. He describes the murder with detail which is odd since he wasn’t there and then goes on to say that the angle Athanasis came to her and talked to Peggy and helped her the horror of the murder and that she continues to be with peggy after…
I would recommend the police reading this book
Tom Hill also meets the man who confessed to her murder and writes as if he were the murder. He said it bothered him hearing about the murder of Peggy but he was a Priest and need to help him. Richard Hill heard Voices and Tom he helped him lesson the voices by teaching the rosary when he heard.
voices.
He felt like he took credit for curing a psychotic
Do you know for sure Richard Hill was not the killer? I know someone who used to date her and he looked just like the artist rendering. In fact, my fiancé and I went on a double date with her and that guy in April before she was found dead. If Hill was insane, what evidence did they have other than what he said? Florensic evidence? I suspect Hill was not the killer.
I suspect there is even a possibility that it could have been someone she met in Memorial Park because she used to try to buy drugs there. Back then all the teenagers drove through the park and hung out with the hippies and drug sellers.
The guy she was on a date with that my fiancé knew was named Mike Sadler. He went to Benson High. About the time of the murder he suddenly joined the Air Force.
I am glad to see that 50 years later, people have not forgot about Peggy. I was only 7, a neighbor. She worked for my mom for a short time prior to her death. She lived on Bel Air Drive, not in Millard. My sister and I still talk about her occasionally. I visited her grave and left flowers a couple years ago. She is buried near our dad.
I went to HS with Peggie and graduated with her from Burke in 1970 and I think about her often. I am saddened to know her killer has never been caught.
Wow, I didn’t know she went to Burke. I graduated in 1970. I probably saw her at school before I met her on a double date in April 1970. It has really bugged me all these years about her. The guy she was on the date with looked like the artist rendering, later when I saw it on tv.
When I was growing up in Omaha (in 1970 I was 11yrs. Old) we were neighbors with Richard Hill. He was being raised by his grandparents. The Richard Hill that I remember was def. retarded. I know he did not drive but he was un predictable. He once ran over my little brother with his bicycles in our back yard! Even at my young age and obviously later into my adulthood I had a hard time connecting the dots that he could have had the skills to pull this crime off. His grandparents that raised him never spoke of him after his confession. I certainly could not fathom him on a date. He was really slow and developmentally handicapped. I am shocked to hear that this is a cold case. So what ever happened to Richard Hill?
Thank you for letting me know art or whoever you are. What rob told you… And traci is right… If you cant do it for you do it for. Tom… His kids myself. We arent mad at you nor. Accusing you im sure you understand if it was your family. Going threw. What we did you be same way…i believe this is GODS TIMMING. AND GOD SENT YOU AS THE MESSAGER..TIME TO. TAKE THAT MESSAGE TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO. GO.. I WISH I KNEW WHO YOU ARE … ID GAVE YOU MY NUMBER I DONT KNOW IF WE EVER MET I KEEP RUNNING THRU MY HEAD .. WHO U MIGHT BE.. PLEASE. I BEG YOU TOM YOU SAID WAS GOOD PEOPLE GOOD TO YOU REPAY THAT BACK TO HIM.. He cant stand up. For him self it takes YOU ART IT TAKES ME AND HIS KIDS AND GRANDKIDS ..TO ME YOU WILL BE MY HERO.. TO ME I WOULD OWE YOU ..I. FEEL YOU GOTTA HEART AND MAY BE SCARED BUT. … I WILL STAND BESIDE YOU .. I WISH YOU COULD SEE MY KIDS AND FACE THEM. MY GRANNDKIDS. AND LOOK IN THEIR EYES BECAUSE THRU THEM YOU WILL SEE TOM..YOUR FRIEND …ASKING YOU TO GO TELL.. HELP MY FAMILY….. THINK OF TOM OK ART. THINK ABOUT THE LAST TIME YOU SAW HIM…THE LAST CONVERSATION YOU HAD WITH HIM..32 YEARS AGO AND I REMEMBER. TOM AND MINE… I REMEMBER HOW HE KAID HIS KIDS DOWN AND KISSED THEM. GOODNIGHT .. AND TOLD THEM HE LOVED THEM.. I WISH MY KIDS COULD ATLEAST REMEMBER THAT PART. OF ALL MEMORY THEY COULD HAVE. ..BUT YOU GOT MEMORYS OF TOM LIKE I DO… GIVE THEM THIS MEMORY OF HELPING THEM. PLEASE FIND IN YOUR HEART. THIS LITTLE LEAD YOU HOLD IN YOUR HANDS. CAN FINALLY BRING. CLOSER TO TOMS CHILDREN HELP US. LET TOM REST IN PEACE HE DIDNT. DESERVE THIS .. I KNOW GOD WILL BRING TRUTH AND I PRAY YOU ARE THE TRUTH HE SENT US… THANKS AGAIN
Ok..that’s enough! I don’t trust the law for good reason. I put an alias up for that very same reason. I liked your old man, he was always good people to me. I thought you had a right to know what Rob had said. I will call, But let me do it on my time. I need no more legal troubles!!
Every one loved. TOM….art. As you know if you was his friends. You got the chance to know him where my kuds and grandkids didnt my son may have a few memorys but toms daughter dont. They miss him you know.. We all miss him… Please if tom meant anything to you DO IT FOR HIM OK.. PLEASE DONT HURT MY KIDS AND MAKE THEM WAIT ANY LONGER…OR LONG…WHAT A BLESSING YOU WOULD BRING THEM .. I KNOW TOM LOOKS OVER THEM… I CAN UNDERSTAND .. YOU USING ANOTHER NAME .. AND YOU DONT GOT TO SAY WHO U ARE BUT. WHOEVER YOU ARE I THANK YOU MY KUDS THANK YOU AND MOST OF ALL TOM THANKS YOU…I HAVE PRAYED. FOR THIS DAY TO COME ART…AND I THINK TOM PUT YOU ..THERE FOR A REASON..GOD BROUGHT YOU FOR A REASON..TO BRING JUSTICE. TO US …30 SOME YEARS CARRYING. THIS HURT IN OUR HEARTS. AND NO CLOSER I RATHER DIE WITH A SMILE ON MY FACE KNOWING WE GOT ROB. THEN. DIEING LETTING HIM GO FOR THE LIFE HE TOOK.. TOM DIDNT GET THAT LIFE TO ENJOY HIS FAMILY HOLDING HIS SON AND DAUGHTER SEEING THE BIRTH OF HIS GRANDCHILDREN… WHERE ONE LOOKS JUST LIKE HIM. AND ONE ACTS JYST LIKE HIM.. PLEASE BRING A CLOSER TO THEM TOO AND KNOWING GRANDPA TOM S LIFE. WASNT FOR NOTHING BUT FOR SOMETHING HIS KIDS HIS GRANDKIDS.. AND YOU CAN STAND UP FOR TOM TALK FOR HIM AND SAY FOR YOYRSELF.I DID IT FOR HIM… I DID IT FOR MY FRIEND TOM..HIS CLISER I HOLD IN MY HANDS TIME TO LET IT GO ART…GOD BLESS YOU ART AND THANK YOU. ..IL BE WAITING TO HEAR TOMS CASE IS NOW CLOSED
One more thing art .. You talk to poluce ok. Im sure myself and kids will not let u get in trouble for this ok. I promise you this… Just tell the truth ok..i promise you no trouble
I been waiting on the day for rob tisor to suffer just like he made me suffer over 30 years…from the time i had to say goodbye to my husband til when i read. What you said art. When i read it.. I cryed and said out loud. Tom we got him…i want Rob to suffer like he had tom suffer. Leaving tom out in the field. Laying there. Leaving toms body and taking off. Un til the police took him in. Hours he took our car hpurs. He may have left tom ALONE in that field..il always remember that day when his wife looks at me and charles kaufman and says to us rob did it i know he did it…his own wife…il never forget the day tom left us not because he wanted to because rob made that choice for him..i never forget the day i had to exsplain to a 2 year old and 5 year old daddys not comming home…SO YES I WAITED AND WAITED AND I PROMISED TOM. I WILL NOT GIVE UP ..I WANT THIS. NOT FOR MYSELF BUT FOR TOM.. HIS LIFE IS GOING ON THRU HIS KIDS AND GRANDKIDS. AND IM SHARE IF ANY MEMORY YOU HAVE IS. ONE TOM LEAVES IN YOUR HEART IN MIND.. I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND MY KIDS ARE HOPING. PRAYING. WE GOT DADDYS MURDER THRU YOU… IM SURE THE WAITING IS KILLING THEM INSIDE. YOU THOUGHT THEM HOPE ..ART..HELP THEM REMOVE THE HURTING NOW AND FOR TOM WIPE THESES TEARS FROM HIS CHILDRENS EYES… YOU CAN BE A HERO TO THEM YOU KNOW ..TOMS KIDS ARE GOOD KIDS. YOUD LIKE THEM.. IM SURE ..DONT TAKE TO LONG WE NOT GONA PUSH YOU YOUR RIGHT ITS YOUR TIMMING BUT IM SURE YOU WILL DO IT SOON… I DONT KNOW WHO YOU ARE.. BUT YOU MEAN THE WORLD TO ME FOR STEPPING UP… JYST LOOK AT YOUR KIDS AND THANK GOD THEY DONT HAVE TO GO THRU WHAT MINE DID OK..MAY GOD BE WITH U WHEN YOU MAKE THAT CALL .. I THANK YOU MY KIDS THANK YOU AND. I WOULD BACK YOU. TO KEEP YOUR REAL NAME OUT OF ANYTHING I WILL MAKE SURE YOUR INFO STAYS. WITH IN THE POLUCE AND OUR FAMILY.. IM SURE MY SON WOULD BE RIGHT WITH YOU IF YOU NEEDED SOMEONE TO GO WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU LEAVE THE POLUCE STATION. IF ITS WHAT YOUR WORRIED ABOUT YOU CANT GO TO JAIL FOR TELLING THETRUTH.. GOD WILL BE WITH YOU AS WELL .. BECAUSE HIS CHILD IS TOM.. AND YOUR HIS BROTHER THRU CHRIST PKEASE REMEMBER THIS WHEN YOU MAKE THAT CALL GOD BLESS ART OR WHOEVER YOU ARE IL BE PRAYING FOR U AS WELL
Okay, but I’m confused. You knew Tom and you recently did time with Tisor? So this is a little more personal for you considering you also knew Tom. I can promise you that there is absolutely no judgement towards you for what you have done, why you don’t like the police, or anything. However, this might be the one time they can do something good for a family and that information rest with you. Please help ease the minds and hearts of my husbands family. I understand wanting to do it on your own time. Build up the courage. I can assure you that once you’re done, it will feel good knowing you did the right thing.
I don’t know what the argument was about or that his best friend was Ernie!! I wasn’t living in town when all this went down. I didn’t move back till 04. I decided to look up some of my old party buddies last week….that’s how I found this site
Again, please contact the Van Buren County sheriff department. If you want to help the family, I would rather you contact the authorities so that justice can be served! It’s heartbreaking to know that someone may have information but would rather comment anonymously instead of going to authorities. PLEASE!!!
Art my kuds were 2 and 5years old when rob took their dads lufe.. Think if theses were your kids dont you think they deserve a closer.. Missing their father and grow up with out you… Then they have grandkids that dont even know you. Were your kids have no MEMORY of you…im sure your a father yourself so look your kids in the face and say. You dont deserve it…..could you actually turn the other cheek. Or have A FRIEND HOLD INFORMATION THAT COULD LEAD TO THE MURDER OF YOU…ROB DONT HAVE TO KNOW YOU CAN CALL THE POLICE MY DAUGHTER GAVE YOU THE NUMBER… ROB TOOK ALOT AWAY FROM ME AND MY CHILDREN ..THEIR. FATHER WAS MURDERED YOU KNOW IT I KNOW IT… PLEASE BE THE GRACE OF GOD. FIND THAT SPOT IN YOUR HEART AND GAVE MY CHILDREN THIS BLESSING ON PUTTING ROB WHERE HE BELONGS I KNOW IT WONT BRING THEIR DAD BACK BUT IM SURE IT BRING PEACE TO THEM…PLEASE I BEG YOU IN THE NAME OF GOD HIS SON PLEASE MAKE THAT CALL…IF YOUR ANY MAN AT ALL YOU DO RIGHT THING .. THANK YOU ART FOR ATLEAST READING THIS ITS UP TO YOU. OK BUT I PRAY YOU DO WHAT GOD LEADS YOU TO…MAKE THE CHOICE .. ITS UP TO YOU BUT DONT LET YOUR HANDS BECOME JUST AS DIRTY. AS ROB TISORS
Sherri, do you not realize that this person is most likely a liar? Art Vandelay is an alias. It is a name from the Seinfeld show. This person is most likely taking this tragedy and messing with everyone’s emotions. :(
I hope whoever it is traci ..either steps up who info ..and if he kieing gets what whoever it is. GOD PUNISHES FOR THIS .. I WANT ROB CAUGHT MORE THEN MY KIDS DO ITS ASHAME THIS IDIOT IS PLAYING WITH REAL LIFES… I PRAY TOM GOD. LEADS. THE RIGHT. INFO TO POLICE TOM DESERVES THIS WE DESERVE THIS
Robert The DCI in Osceola will lead you where you need to go! Just so you know my Dad lived in Woodburn Iowa and he built that house along time ago. I have my own oppinion about where my Dad is. I live in Indianola facebook name -betsy mae
Loyal Thomas it was great to hear from you and your daughter .I cannot tell you what it means to me that someone is thinking about my Dad ! Super Bowl Sunday I thought about him all day ;14 yrs ago i sat with him for the last time we was watching Super bowl together I had a few drink with my ole man Ill never forget that day I love him so much….I am going to look for him but I have to be careful because the last time I looked for him me and my sister she got ran over and then Rhonda and I was sued for $14000.00 by my brother , So I will have to use the legal route but I am going looking if I cant if maybe Cold Case can help … It is time to look for him again, Thanks for lighting the fire in my heart again Betsy Mae
Betsy- What do you mean the last time you went looking for him you were ran over by your brother? Do you mean run over by a car? That doesn’t make any sense. Why would your brother run you over? And then sue you? Why would your brother not want you looking for your dad? Why can’t you look for him together? Can you please elaborate on this situation? Your relationship with these people and their opposition to you looking for him might shed a lot of light on his case. God bless you and your family. I hope you find out where he is.
Since Bill Sr. had a successful business, who was that business left to? My guess is there is a quarrel regarding where his estate and business is left to, perhaps a business partner or family member or former associate of some kind and someone feeling left out or jelous and then vengeful perhaps? Or was his business working on a controversial or politically charged construction contract? I would get polygraphs, look at history of business invoices around the time of disappearance and look at any active and current contracts he had at the time of disappearance. Take K-9 units on various locations and properties owned by interested parties and go from there. I wonder if anyone ever did that in this case? On a side note, wouldn’t it be nice if everyone smiled in family photos?
After the August 2nd post I really am more motivated to get closure on Bills disappearance . Personally my health is not good but hopefully soon things will fall into place and I’ll be able to move forward in my life. But before I move from Iowa I will make a huge attempt to look for clues and information on Bill’s case. .
I am so glad the step father was convicted of this crime. I was one of the 1500 people searching for this little girl for two days. I cried all day when I learned of her discovery and deceased. I was also very angry, and felt powerless. This case lead me to working in the field of security since then in Illinois. I work primarily selling security cameras to residential properties. In hopes to prevent and deter assholes like this guy from thinking about commiting another crime like this. Only if more people would speak up more often to the police we can deter serious crimes like this from happening. Lets all work together to keep our children and familes safe! http://www.homesecurityconsultantllc.com.
Oh and another thing i kept my mouth shut due to toms brother is married to rob tisors sister… So this can cause big problems as well not just for me toms kids and grandkids
I like to say i am toms wife … And. Whoever put stuff on here about me needs to be removed ..you put things on here that wasnt true with out hard facts.. Exspeacily tom having weed in car to me getting with co work 2 months after his death i think before things get printed that you should get hard facts not bye others telling you lies this could. End up in a law suit… I even had you remove where someone said i had my husband killed .. I think you should get facts instead of hear say thank you
What was the arguement over .. I know rob was high on dope the nught before and linda said rob killed a cat…and. Saw fear in her face…rob always acted funny when me and kids saw him. Nervous and wouldnt look at us in face. He took my LIFE… I want to confront him so bad i have words i wanta say to him in person
Rob, please go to the police with this info!
We believe you, so will they!
Please be his voice, he was murdered by his best friend that he trusted & cared for.
Just sick
Hi, my name is Laure. My maiden name was Mitchell. Unfortunately I don’t have any information about the Guy Heckle case. I wish I did though. My family lived in the same neighborhood as the Heckles. We lived on Benton St NE shortly before the disappearance took place. We moved away from the neighborhood in 1968. My younger sister, Lisa, was in kindergarten with Guy. My older brother, Jeff was in the same class as Holly Heckle at Eisenhower Elementry School. Of course my family heard about the disappearence when it happened. I can’t imagine anything this horrible happening to anyone. It’s very haunting whenever a child is a victim. My heart goes out to the Heckle family. I hope this case gets solved and the family gets some closure. The sooner the better. My thoughts and prayers go out to the family.
Could you guys even get the mothers dna and put it in the system and check to see if johnny is alove and has possibly been put in the system possibly by another name….?!? Probably wouldnt hurt to try. Iv losten to the series and investigators in thos case are so lazy it’s saddening. Its like they think its ok someones child has been miss for so long woth noone helping find him but only the mother. What if it was the cops/investigators child. Guaranteed they wouldnt give up the first day like they have in this case.
The CIA/Deep state kidnapped me and the Department of homeland security is running the cover up for them and threatening to place me in one of there secret prisons if I continue to speak out.
Johnny Gosch is dead. No one, except Johnny’s kidnapper, saw him alive after September 5, 1982. Johnny has never “spoken out” about anything. Please get help for your mental illness.
Your violation of the comment policy only demonstrates your need to do the research required to uave a better understanding of the facts. PLEASE Read my Twitter profile to view the necessary photos of me and my birthmarks. The police don’t have ” Johnny’s” fingerprints because I’m walking around with them.
So, where is this Twitter profile? You linked a private WordPress page no one can access. I recently heard about a mental patient falsely claiming to be Johnny. Do you realize how hurtful that is to Johnny’s family?
Sorry dude, but your birthmark 1) does not look like South America, and, 2) is nowhere close to where Johnny’s birthmark was. I know one of Johnny’s close relatives, and I know EXACTLY where the birthmark was. You don’t remember growing up as Johnny Gosch because you are NOT Johnny Gosch. Please choose another delusion.
You are just trying to ad more propaganda to the cover up by casting doubt at me. That is what trolls do. If they cast an overwhelming amount of doubt, all the doubts over shadow the Facts. Noreen has said hundreds of times that it was on johnny’s left chest. All anybody has to do is google Johnny Gosch birthmarks South American This will produce 6200 results of which there must be over 500 that describe Johnny’s birthmark as a large birthmark shaped like South America on his left chest. You need to stop adding more lies to the abduction narrative. You completely ignored the right side birthmark which is 80% the same as would be expected because birthmarks change over time. This is a fact that anybody can easily see in less than 10 minutes. Yellow Bags is just casting doubt in an effort to get the rest of you from doing your own independent research. Do not believe his propaganda. Johnny is not dead ether.
So, you saw on Google that Johnny had a birthmark, and you have a birthmark in a completely different place, so that proves you are Johnny Gosch. The CIA must have used their memory eraser machine on you and surgically moved your birthmark 8 inches. Happens all the time :)
Yellow Bags trolled me on my other post and I will not entertain him any more. He is what people call troll, they work for people that don,t want the truth to be reviled.
Johnny Gosch memories started emerging in me almost 9 years ago. Although I did not know this until about 3 years ago.
This is way bigger than just the abduction.
The truth about what happened to me has been elusive. I was subjected to a lot of mind control programming that involved a lot of hypnotism that was used to manipulate my memories. Memory control is mind control, we are all the sum of our memories. I have had to investigate my recovered memories in order to corroborate them in there truthfulness. The following is about 80% correct most more and some less. with help this can be improved. My memories point to a CIA mind control experiment where TWO children were programmed with similar personalities that did not know each other. Then they had them unknowingly switch places with each other where only the father knew the truth because both were active members of and help run some of the ninth circle child sex rings. Something went wrong and they ended the experiment with a semi fake abduction. OR the two johnny narrative is just part of my transition back to Johnny being my front personality. where he can play a more active role.Only time will till. I am only after the truth and the FBI and the CIA only want to hide me. I have a right to know what they did to me and why. WHY?
oh my god e7138@trbvm.com what a terrible thing to say…clear back in 6th grade?think outside the box and realize what nate was probably going thro at that time in his life.grade school was a long time ago…get over it
Linda, I contacted Chief Prosser regarding Jean Marie Christensen, who was found strangled in her Storm Lake apartment Oct. 17, 1971. Jean’s fiancé, Michael Dean Peterson, was indicted and tried for her murder and found guilty. The Iowa Supreme Court reversed the verdict (based on a technicality) in June 1974, but that did not diminish the investigator’s position that Peterson was the perpetrator.
Iowa, like other states, considers a case closed once a suspect is arrested and charged with a crime.
I spoke to Toni the morning before she was killed, and NOT ONE cop or investigator has EVER asked me for an interview, ever. Not one.
She told me that she knew that the shooting next door was a murder, and she knew who did it.
I’ll never forget that, ever.
Any new information in this case? I remember this day, my parent’s names are Larry and Barb and when the new first came out, of course I thought it was my parents. Living in a small community, our hearts broke for Barb.
Does anyone know where Eugene’s newspaper back was found on the side of the road, which part of town? Not sure if this was ever made public? Wondering if it ever lead to any clues as to which direction/road he may have been taken after being abducted?
A pile of Eugenes newspapers was found on SW 14th and Highview, probable abduction point.. the SW 12th and Highview location was where Eugene was last spotted having a conversation with a man. There’s a helpful map on Reddit with these locations! Hope something useful comes from it
I think the guy who killed jacob wetterling needs to have his whereabouts known on both the johnny gosch and eugene martin cases. Just a thought but he is a pedophile.
I agree Daune, when I hear Danny Heinrichs was stalking paperboys in Paynesville, between 84 and 86 that gave me chills. He kidnapped and sexually assaulted Jared Scheierl in January 1989 in Cold Spring, MN; Jacob Wetterling was kidnapped, assaulted and killed in October 1989. Danny Heinrich was in his 20s but looked much older than his 20s. He also served in the National Guard. Is there any National Guard facilities near Des Moines that he might have had weekend guard duty? I have wondered if they ever checked him out for these missing boys in Iowa.
Fort Des Moines is on SW 9th, which is just a few blocks from where he was last seen and his bag was found a few blocks further away. I don’t know what Ft. DSM was used for at the time of either boys’ disappearance (I was born in ‘85); but in my lifetime it’s been used for weekend guard duty, a substance abuse treatment facility, and a halfway house.
From the Wisconsin State Journal, May 1, 1978 (regarding the main suspect in Ms. Kean’s death):
Man is convicted of murder
LA CROSSE (AP) — A circuit court jury convicted Lawrence McCoy during the weekend of second degree murder in the death of Michael Bentzen.
McCoy had been charged with first degree murder in the May 31, 1977, death of Bentzen, 24. The six-woman, six-man jury received the case Friday night and deliberated all day before returning the verdict Saturday night.
A pathologist said Bentzen had been shot twice, immobilizing a leg and an arm, and died of drowning. The shooting occurred after an incident at a bar in which Bentzen allegedly
made a racial slur.
A pre-sentence investigation was ordered for McCoy and a court appearance was set for May 8
OK, I identified the wrong Lawrence Albert McCoy in the comment above regarding the obituary. The guy in the obit is not the Lawrence Albert McCoy who was the suspect. The real main suspect is still alive, and living in Milwaukee, as far as I can tell from advancedbackgroundchecks dot com.
I may have identified the wrong Lawrence Albert McCoy in the comment above regarding the obituary. I am trying to track down the correct Lawrence Albert McCoy
Who was the next person to see Padgett after he allegedly dropped Erin off? What time was Padgett seen by this person? Under what circumstances? What was Padgett wearing? What was his demeanor? What had Padgett been wearing when Erin got into his truck? Where now is the truck that Padgett was driving at the time of Erin’s disappearance?
Lawrence Albert McCoy
Age 60 Of St. Paul Passed away May 7, 2012 after a brave but brief battle with illness.Larry was born on April 26, 1952 in St Paul, MN. He was a hard working business owner with 35+ years in furniture repair; Larry was loved by many and will be greatly missed. Preceded in death by father, William W. McCoy. He is survived by his wife, Maria McCoy and stepsons, Anton and Nicholas (Christine) Butler; daughter, LaTayo (Darrin) Talton, and her sister Selina McCoy; sons, Larry McCoy Jr. and Julian Hassel; Also survived by his two sisters, Anita Robinson, and Billie McCoy; brother, Charles McCoy; 7 grandchildren; numerous nephews, nieces, cousins and friends. Mass of Christian Burial, Monday, 10AM at the Church of St. Peter Claver, 375 Oxford St. N., St. Paul. Visitation Sunday 3-7PM at Willwerscheid Funeral Home, 1167 Grand Ave., St. Paul, 651-228-1006 and at church 1 hour before the Mass. In lieu of flowers, family requests donation to Our Lady of Peace Home, 2076 St. Anthony Ave, St. Paul, MN 55104, the hospice where Larry spent his final peaceful days.
The perp’s name is/was Lawrence Albert McCoy Jr. In 1978, he was age 24 and living in Minneapolis.
In part, the article says:
“In testimony at McCoy’s trial at LaCrosse, Edward Warren, 25, of LaCrosse who was granted immunity from a first-degree murder charge testified for the prosecution that he was with McCoy when McCoy shot Bentzen. He also said he helped McCoy dump Bentzen into the Mississippi River from a bridge near LaCrosse. Dr. Ruth Dalton, a pathologist, testified that Bentzen died from drowning but that his ability to swim to safety was impaired by shotgun wounds and that he could have died from loss of blood since two vital blood vessels were punctured. McCoy admitted firing three shots at Bentzen with a .410 shotgun, but he claimed Warren tossed Bentzen over the bridge rail.”
“Michael Kean, who discovered his wife’s body in the bedroom of their home, had known McCoy as a fellow worker at Union Carbide Corp. here. What piqued renewed interest in McCoy by the Keans and Des Moines police was testimony by Warren, the state’s key witness at LaCrosse, that he had seen a .38-caliber pistol in the trunk of McCoy’s car sometime after the Bentzen shooting. The pistol had nothing to do with Bentzen’s death, but investigators now are trying to find McCoy’s car, which was burned mysteriously in Minneapolis before McCoy’s arrest last June 29 in connection with Bentzen’s slaying. The long-shot hope of investigators is that the remains of the burned car are impounded or sitting in a junkyard somewhere and that the pistol Warren says he saw may still be in the trunk of the car. In Des Moines, Kean said he went to McCoy’s trial at LaCrosse because “I just wanted to see him face to face, but I was told I couldn’t talk to him.” Kean recalled that on the day of his wife’s death someone had called him at work and asked if he (Kean) was going home for lunch. When Kean said he wasn’t, the caller hung up. Mrs. Kean, who had attended summer school classes at Lincoln High until about 12:30 p.m. the day of her death, is believed to have died during the noon hour. McCoy, then living at the Oakridge Apartments at 926 Oakridge Drive, was arrested by Des Moines police shortly after Mrs. Kean’s death. He was held for several days on an intoxication charge, but no charges were filed in connection with the Kean slaying. Mrs. Kean was the daughter of Nadine Wilson of Des Moines and Don Wilson, a West Des Moines attorney who died in March 1973 of injuries received in an auto accident McCoy’s sentencing on the second-degree murder conviction is scheduled for June 14. He could be sentenced to 5 to 25 years in prison. Officials say McCoy could be eligible for parole in 20 months if be is sentenced to a minirrum term and is given credit for 10 months in jail while awaiting trial. when his body was tossed over a bridge railing, witnesses testified. The unsolved Des Moines slaying is that of Geralyn Jean “Gigi” Kean. Kean, a Lincoln High School senior, was found dead at her home at 446 S.E. Hart St. about 2:30 p.m. on July 29, 1975. She had been shot five times in the face, back and side with a .38-caliber handgun. McCoy, an acquaintance of Kean’s husband of eight months, is considered a “top suspect” In the Kean slaying, says Des Moines Police Lt. Ed Harlan. Harlan said Kean had been pistol-whipped and the trigger guard of the weapon had broken off and was found near her body. “We have never been able to find the gun, though generous rewards have been offered,” Harlan said. Harlan said police are looking for a five-shot, blue steel .38-caliber Iver Johnson revolver with serial number 641832, which had been registered to McCoy.”
I still cannot get over Eugene Martin and the two other missing Des Moines boys, Johhny Gosch and Marc Allen. These cases pain me so, so much! I want the families to have closure…I want them to be found! I live in VA, but I feel like I have to go to Des Moines. I don’t know why, I just feel drawn to that place. Maybe I think I’ll find something??? I’m only 19 though, I have no money to go…but God willing ONE DAY! And the fact that Eugene’s parents have died not knowing what happened. That fills me with such sorrow. I feel like I’m too empathetic sometimes. I see the sorrows of others and make them my own, I internalize them and I become overwhelmed. I just hope that one day…ONE DAY we will all have the answers to these questions. I hope that all missing people of all time and their loved ones will have peace and rest and closure. One day. If not in this world, then in the next :,(((
A trip to De Moines would be awesome! I feel so badly his parents had to leave the world without any resolution as well. I think it’s so above and beyond that retired PI JAmes Rowles has his photo in the garage and has attempted to chase down any and every tip presented to him. I would love to have a chat with him, and I hope that he has passed or plans on passing on all his knowledge and theories of the case to someone as passionate as himself in the near future.
As only living aunt of Gene Martin I spent time with his mother, his uncle went on the search finding nothing, I remember a week before Gene disappeared we stopped to visit at his mother’s place. I was in the yard and he came to me and gave me a big hug I asked what that was about he said “just because I love you” I accept that went about the visit . But that’s shows how.. great of a child Gene was . His mother’s side of the family still holds hope of finding.Gene. Beside his siblings. We all miss and love Gene.
It’s been sixteen years since this innocent child was murdered by his own mother.Isn’t it time that the authorities charge the mother with his murder and prosecute her?This murdering bitch should be behind bars paying for her crime!! I am outraged that justice has not been meted out in this case!!!
What is the truth then. Can you tell us what happened that night, why so much evidence points to the fact that a MOTHER killed her son. Mothers is the name for God on the lips and hearts of all children. Do you even wonder what poor Ricky went though, or are you just so damn set on defending a monster
I totally agree!! As a mother I would never just stand outside while my son is inside the house burning! The statements I have seen and heard all point to the mother. I live in the same small town as the father and the fact that they have let this case go cold and not investigated her further makes me ill! Plus, why didn’t she grab both boys?! Shes a strong woman. Its fishy that one boy was burnt alive and the other had no trace of smoke on him. But yet he was on the landing.You would think the police department and detectives would want justice for Ricky and his family!! If the mother is innocent why won’t she do interviews to TRY to clear her name!!
My thoughts are I know who killed these people, I know who took Johnny Gosch and the other paper boy. I know who put the body’s in the barrells in New Hampshire. But nobody really wants to know the truth because I keep trying to tell them. If anyone would like to hear what I have to say my number is 9184243575.
This is so sad to have on here, a Mother (Crystal) lost thers baby, A BABY DIED, A nother mother lost her son, The Fairfield PD failed to put this case together, the truth is the truth, right now only God knows, Seems like a lot of people still hurt that’s understandable. But if you police don’t know what happened all these years later then how do those that think they know, were you there? Did you see things you didn’t tell police, if not it all people’s opinions, if he was my son I would want answers, if she was my daughter and grandbaby. I would need prays.God bless the Mothers that have lost so much.
We are getting the medical records from Iowa City to post that chrystal had only carried the baby for 4 months. the baby died because of stress. From DJs death. You better get the people who came forward and said chrystal had people punch her in the stomach, Because there is going to be a law suit. And i just left the Fairfield police department and the address you posted where all this stuff was suppose to of happened is non existant. My daughter buried her boyfriend and her son all in one week. Dana Bowermaster told me she pushed him out of her house because he was swinging a whisky bottle around and almost hit her daughter in the head with it. And that he hit the back of his head.Her daughter was crying and said mom please go check on him. Now if a 5 year old thinks somethings wrong. Then theres a good chance there is. 10 days later he died. From trauma to the back of his head. Leave my daughter alone shes been threw enough.
Coroners report clearly states he had a broken neck. You cant go about your day for 10 days with a neck broken that badly. This was obviously a cover up and hopefully the state will continue to pursue it until an answer is found. His family deserves that.
Who ever wrote all this trash is in serious trouble. The fairfield police said if another person brings this up again they were goung to jail. There are so many lies on here. Chrystal was 4 months pregnant when she lost the baby. She lost it because of the trauma of losing DJ.. then to say she had someone punch her in the stomach repeatedly. Your a bunch of sick individuals. Yeah lets open up the case again. And lets find out the real culprit.
You are seriously absurd. You claim that “The fairfield (sic) police said if another person brings this up again they were goung (sic) to jail.” Apparently you are too stooooopid to have ever heard of the First Amendment. I doubt very much that the Fairfield police said any such thing.
Since you have clearly lied about the Fairfield police, why should anyone believe anything else you have to say?
This case was handled so poorly which doesn’t surprise me in this town but this victim and his family deserve answers and justice for this crime yes I said crime. I truly hope that someone follows through with this.
Why wasn’t anyone ever charged with tampering with evidence.
it seems to me when there’s murders in Fairfield they never get solved because the cops aren’t capable of doing the fingerprints collecting evidence seems like they need to get a new group of people in the police department to do that .
I’m saying this now it doesnt take a ROCKET SCIENTIST to see that he was murdered and clearly HIS GF had something to do with it. Its horrible to think peices of trash like his killers and accomplice are out here living life while his was taken. She probably lost the baby because sbes a meth junkie. I hope and pray they all get what’s coming to them especially since John Walsh is now investigating! I feel justice is coming for a few people.
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Murder itself is a terrible thing! But I cannot fathom murdering an Elderly person. I believe there is a SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL FOR THEM AND THE KILLERS OF CHILDREN!
THIS MAKES ME SICK AND ANGRY TO NO END! I am unable to to have children and SO MANY TAKE THIS GIFT FOR GRANTED! Especially dumped like Trash! And this was a BIG Baby. 9.3! No one noticed a REALLY PREGNANT WOMAN. THEN NOT. And not putting the pieces together?! I hope this haunts all involved for THE REST OF THEIR LIVES!
What disturbs me about this Case is the seemingly lack of motive. It seems without that there is nowhere to start. My deepest condolences to the Family and Friends of this poor young Woman. But I believe the Greatest Judge is God. And the ones responsible WILL PAY IN THE END MORE THAN ON EARTH!
I remember this so well. This person is so guilty of murdering 2 of her babies. Really !!!!!! And yet this woman gets off Scott free. It’s horrible!! Our legal system SUCKS big time. It’s all about money. If you have money a person can get away with murder. If you don’t have money you’re going to jail even if your innocent. It’s so sad ? that this person got away with murder. There’s no proof that anyone was stocking her or raping her she’s a very sick individual I would say.
OMG she is soooo guilty of 2 murders. That’s our legal system a murder gets get free. Someone innocent get sent to jail. It’s all about money. You got the money to pay for a good attorney. You’re going to get off. It’s a bunch of BS.
16 yrs ago tommarow you became an angel Ricky you are never forgotten and are missed by many my deepest sympathies to the entire family and my prayer is that the truth of what really happened that horrible night would be discovered and all the false allegations would stop………..it was a tragedy a horrible tragedy making allegations and gossiping and trying to be judge and jury isnt going to bring this precious baby back I will NEVER believe Rachel hurt her son NEVER and neither does the legal authorities in union county or they WOULD have prosecuted her or someone.I went to hospital and saw Rachel after this horrible tragedy and the greif and sadness she was experiencing was real …………blessing and peace to everyone on this sad anniversary of this tragedy
Gayanne, I have replied to you before on here but you never replied then so I will offer the same thing again. If you would like to see DHS reports that prove Rachel abused or neglected her children, I will be happy to provide them to you.
I can also assure that many legal authorities do think she did this. Just because she has not been prosecuted doesn’t mean anything. This “horrible tragedy,” as you call it, could have been avoided if Rachel had not done what she did. This is not just gossip; there is evidence that shows what happened. I’m sorry you choose to not want to believe it. Although, I do expect that since you are a friend of Rachel’s.
I don’t know why you are claiming you were at the hospital that night to visit Rachel because I know you weren’t. It was her parents, brother, sister-in-law, Rick, me, my sister, and various authorities. The only person she would let in her room that night was Rick. She wouldn’t even let her own family in. So please don’t come on here and claim something that is completely false.
Finally, let me tell you a bit about her grief and sadness she was experiencing after this. The week between Ricky’s death and his funeral Rachel decided to go shopping in Des Moines. She bought all kinds of new stuff for herself with the donations people gave her. Even got her hair and nails done. While she was doing that, Rick, myself, and Rachel’s mother were planning Ricky’s funeral. Rick, myself and one of Rick’s aunts were also meeting with DHS that week to get them to explain to us how they failed Ricky like they did. Shows where her priorities were.
I visited Rachel the day after at the hospital Rachel at one time was my niece my heart aches for your loss I knew her as a child not a adult I was not there I don’t know what happened but am truly saddened by this loss I to hope u get the answers you deserve I’m sure you your heart longs for answers
I agree someone should be looked at even if they have a disability. There is a Case here in MN where a guy in a Wheelchair killed a Woman in his Car. And evidence was linked DIRECTLY TO HIM. I still can’t wrap my head around that one but it happens. For saying this one guy couldn’t have done it. Well no one could believe the WONDERFUL TED BUNDY could do it either.
I am Denease’s cousin. She lived with us for a bit when she was in Jr. High. We were told that it was her husband that committed this crime. I always assumed that he was in jail. I’m sorry if this hurts anyone’s feelings, in saying that. I’m just surprised.
Hello….You said you were my mom’s cousin….That’s nice to know people that knew her when she was younger…..Well during her child hood….He never went to prison or was even charged for the crime that was committed so many years ago….Jody and some other very nice people have been doing all they can to help get some closure after all these years…
If your moms cousin might I ask which one cause it’d be nice to know. I’ve been to meet the family I’m sure I didn’t meet everyone of you but ya never know so I was just curious.
I know half of his classmates and I have talked to them , I even went over to the road where the phone pinged off, during the day lots of Semi go through. They last phone call was 12:15 to his mother but she miss the call. So 12:15 to the time he was suppose to go to his Grandfather has not b
Ronnie and I were first cousins. His mom, Ruth Lura Westwick and my mother, Myrtle Lura Tjelta were sisters. Ron and I grew up together. He originally went to Williams Iowa to school but came to Ellsworth Consolidated School, Ellsworth, Iowa. I believe we were about fifth or sixth grade. We both graduated from Ellsworth High School in 1962. Ron did have epilepsy and was on medication for that. I don’t recall he had any other medical problems. His biggest problem was alcohol. Quite a few arrests and jail time. He was sent to Anamosa after he took a school bus and drove down Main Street in Webster City, Iowa. I doubt he had a license at that point. His parents, Ruth and Elmer Westwick, lived in Ellsworth at the time he went missing. Ron lived with them after he divorced Jan Fish and after getting out of Anamosa. He was actually doing pretty well and not drinking too heavy at the time he went missing. He told his folks he was going to Ames the night he went missing. I don’t remember the name of the bar he was going to but the Ames detectives did find he had a high score on a game machine at the bar. I would assume you have checked their files. The lead detective was Clair Keigley (deceased). Ron was an only child and it tore his parents up with grief. They were never the same. One of our classmates thought she saw him in Chicago but couldn’t prove it. To my knowledge his credit card or SS number was ever used. I don’t know if he is one of the pictures on the new deck of cards you are using. That is a wonderful use of cold case dollars. My name is Geraldine Carole Tjelta Greenfield. I live in Story City, Iowa. Email is scamma1944@ gmail.com.
I’ve been told Jason Stonebraker may have some information but no one wants to listen to him. Please ask and see if it holds water.
I belive I’m the son of her and im not dead .
Brenna Bird announces a new strategy to solve cold cases:
https://www.kcrg.com/2025/04/16/iowa-ag-unveils-plans-use-playing-cards-solve-cold-cases/
What was the name of the female realtor that was killed a few years ago? Was that case solved?
Are you thinking of Ashley Okland? She was shot in a home she was showing. Her case from 2011 has not been solved.
https://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/ashley-okland/
Did she have any personal or professional encounters with Ralph Hamilton?
Please visit Lyon County’s Wilma June Nissen Web site for more details about the case and the reward.
That is no longer available at the moment. According to the Rock Rapids Sheriff’s Department, it is an IT issue. It is in the process of being fixed as of 3/18/25
This website needs an editor and moderator. Some simple fixes would make this project come alive. I like the storytelling. A few writers would beef out case files and create a narrative. Telling about their life at the end is always jarring. I hope these cases can be solved. Good luck out there, everyone.
Idk her but… I wanna know more because my last name is Scovel
This article is about a missing cold case. I can’t understand when people start to bring political opinions. There are family and friends mourning the young lady
I would think that the updated forensics tools, would be able to identify the weapon used as either a .32 or .38 caliber firearm.
Also, there seems to be additional details about his location after his wife last saw him, that should be released after all these years.
It bothers me that some details are kept close to the vest. However, hiding these small details has not helped the investigation in over 47 years.
The most likely offender, may be deceased. But then we must protect the investigation, otherwise someone or connected to the murder, might stumble in claim to have murdered him.
he did it to himself
I am Ronettes mom.I heard a name first name
Kevin.Has anyone else heard about him?
how come when you search grant leonard a site comes up saying hes in custody in des moines?
Poor John Pork, he was my best friend, can’t believe his own wife killed him.
can you put this in Fortnite terms? Seems to me like bro go full boxed and 200 pumped
Heard it was a gold pump, god rest his soul
Are you sure?
Absolutely!
Dad… is that you?!
Article in the Cedar Rapids Gazette about unsealing the search warrants:
https://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/judge-release-part-of-huisentruit-search-warrant/
In February of 2017 Trump’s Administration took away access to the PFAS Nitrite ‘forever’ chemicals water test data that had been collected since the 1970’s on our Tap and Bottled Water and our Source Waters. Trump protected BAYER, CHEMCHINA, CORTEVA AGRISCIENCE, and AGRIGRAIN/VILMORIN-MIKADO from everyone in the United States, knowing the increasing levels of those Corporations PFAS Nitrite man-made inorganic Arsenic, organophosphates, herbicide/pesticide contaminants ingredients and heavy metals that have grown to levels that have Iowa as the second highest state in cancer rates that are starting in younger and younger age groups. I’m one mother, grandmother, great-aunt and someday great-grandmother who is still waiting for JUSTICE for my son Adam M. Lack, with the reinstatement of Adam’s USDA-NRCS Revised Universal Soil Loss Equations, Version 3 or the RUSLE3. Adam’s RUSLE3 had limited Point Source contamination of our U.S. Source Waters from KOCH and Arab ORASCOM’s Anhydrous Ammonia and the People’s Republic of China’s Smithfield CAFO’s very water-soluble nitrogen fertilizers. Now in 2025 Trump’s Administration has taken away access to the AEA, NIH, vaccination records and health data on the miscarriages, learning disabilities, birth defects, handicaps, etc, to cover-up for those same Conglomerates products having contaminated our Tap and bottled water.
Paula’s sister Lynn (Oberbroeckling) Greve passed away.
She posted in this thread multiple times throughout the years.
Thoughts and Prayers are with the entire Oberbroeckling family having lost two daughters & sisters.
Link…
https://www.thegazette.com/obituaries/lynn-marie-oberbroeckling-greve/
The judge has ruled that the search warrants in Jodi’s case can be unsealed:
https://www.kcrg.com/2025/03/27/judge-rules-motion-unseal-documents-jodi-huisentruit-case/
I found her. She’s alive in Mexico.
Could you provide more details. What steps did you take that led to to determine that she is alive and supposedly well in Mexico.
Because, hopefully the Eagle Grove Police will want to know how you found her. Plus, she is now an adult. Makes me wonder if she has family in Mexico.
I found out about the case on a YouTube video. I recognized the name because I went to school with her. We were in the same grade. I confirmed she was the same girl we went to school with in a group for our graduating class. Then a mutual friend let me know that she’s alive in Mexico. I messaged the profile she gave me and she confirmed that she was the Yerlanin “JD” Garcia that was in class with me. She had no idea that this was here so I gave her a link to contact the admins but I can’t imagine it’s easy to confirm your identity after 15 years.
Please, if you knew Wilma in any way, no judgement at all, I swear!
Or you want to follow her case , I’m her daughter & I am doing everything I can to get answers!
You can go to https://www.reddit.com/r/WilmaJuneNissen/s/wKZwx9lxfA
Or
https://www.instagram.com/wilma_june_nissen_cold_case?igsh=MnM5ODdqcHV3djFq
What about that Honduran girl found In Manawa off 92? Have they found her killers or is omaha covering that case?
Was Ryan and Cicil related? Ryan was 16 When Cicil was murdered. Maybe would help to know how they may be related or unrelated.
In your video account of the murderer Jack Purcell, when the detective Was asked why thirty one years later he came in to confess? The detective gave the wrong answer. Jack purcell said he had found Jeus Christ as his savior for his sins. That was when God made him born again. Then Jesus told him to go confess! This is a huge detail that you must include, to be correct, in the story of The reason mister purcell turned himself in.
Looks like Robert Davis has been arrested for Barbara’s murder:
https://www.kcrg.com/2025/03/11/iowa-man-arrested-35-years-after-womans-disappearance/
I like that the State of Iowa Cold Case Unit was created. They brought more resources and new eyes to the investigation.
Plus they bring the clout of the Attorney General. Maybe that will push the envelope on other cold cases, that have been posted here and ignored for too long.
Mr. Davis sounds like a individual, that should be residing in prison.
There was an article in the Gazette about Denise’s case:
https://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/cold-case-popular-cedar-rapids-singer-goes-missing-in-1982-husbands-stories-inconsistent/
As the time has gone by and no results have been made on the case of my mother and step-father, it doesn’t get any easier. I have contacted DCI and with many questions and information gathered but no results. They sometimes get my hopes up but seem to just drop it as “we have current cases” that we need to look at.
All I am asking is to find out where to find my mother. Her family in Maine and Iowa, children, grandchildren and great grandchildren just want to find her and bring her home.
DCI can handle the who done it.
We just want closure with finding her.
Please if anyone has any information
A judge is to decide if the search warrants involving Vansice’s car should be unsealed:
https://cbs2iowa.com/news/local/judge-to-decide-on-unsealing-search-warrant-in-jodi-huisentruit-disappearance-case#
24 years ago sweet little man you became an angel and now you have had so many of your grandmas and grandpas join you aunts and uncles…this day never goes by without my mind thinking of your beautiful blonde hair and innocent eyes…i know you are in paradise surrounded by angels sweet boy..know you arent forgotten..
I believe this was my aunt who threw her baby in the river. I was talking to woman of this generation in my family couple days ago and they said my aunt threw her newborn in the des Moines river. The year adds up, the would been a teen. I was shocked to be told and another woman said yes she threw her baby in.
Snakes don’t eat plain meat, beef, butchered chicken, human or otherwise. Pet snakes eat whole prey animals, like mice, rats, bigger ones like red-tailed boas and Burmese pythons get rabbits, whole chickens etc. Some wild snakes eat fish or eggs. None of them’ll eat sliced pork.
George Cheramy did it. Everyone knows this. He has a brother that’s schizophrenic or suffers from some form of mental illness. He has been screaming to the hills that George has done it. George is not stable and has a felony. However, even though he has a felony he has no issue carrying air guns that are modded and shoot much stronger then typical firearms. He has 2 dogs trained to attack and potentially kill people. I would definitely look into dna in evidence box. There HAS to be something. And whether the brother is sane or not, I feel that is the best lead to chase. Instead he gets dismissed due to his mental illness. George has been a thorn in many peoples sides over the years including his own flesh and blood! It is time for true justice to be served!
People really don’t know how obvious this was back in the day. I know people that worked with Lynn. She’d show up for work some mornings with bruises and marks on her face.
Then the guy refused to help? And he quickly took up with another woman? Then he sought a divorce with Lynn, and how soon after? And then finally got granted the divorce in another county where he couldn’t be questioned about her disappearance?
Pleeeease!
Unfortunately the people that knew him are mostly gone now. His neighbors knew the family well and had firm beliefs to the point of shouting “What did you do with her Keith!?” whenever they saw him. People knew Lynn, loved her, and she did not run off and…abandon her little son????..Um, no. If I could laugh about this whole thing, I’d laugh hardest about the idea she’d abandon her son. And I guess if you knew her, you’d know that wasn’t an option. This was the biggest case of “If it looks like a duck…” you will ever see in Cedar Rapids, IA. It was an open secret in a time where people did not have websites to go argue about it.
Don’t care how well you know him in Idaho, just trust our community. This was a murder and he got away with it.
31 year’s still no revisiting of the case I have tried to contact the detective no response back regarding me to come in and see all the information they have and also I want DNA done on a swab in evidence and pubic hairs they need tested to rule out to just confirm anyway the blanket and clothes nail trimmings etc , there is so much technology available to test all DNA and just know he who killed her will never make to heaven Jesus will slam the dam door, I cannot believe her ex is still walking around talking about her to people seems like he’s got a bad conscience Jesus will judge you either way, hellis where your going for killing my mother.
I ran across a similar case while reading on a Reddit mysteries thread:
https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/family-holding-out-hope-justice-34-years-after-brutal-murder-n1259000
Both cases involved women selling waterbeds. Jaye’s case involved a classified ad for the waterbed and Patricia’s case involved a yard sale. It’s a really long shot, but I wonder if the cases are related.
It was a different time back then. Police sometimes inspected the contents of impounded vehicles, and many times they did not.
In this day and age, it’s important to inspect them and also inventory the contents, otherwise they could face a lawsuit, by someone claiming that something of value was missing.
This might be important of the vehicle was registered to someone arrested, or in connection to a crime.
I find it interesting that he was found shot to death in his home. Then his apartment was found ransacked, and money he saved for the purchase of a new van was missing. There is no mentioned of who found him. Also, there is no mention if there were signs of forced entry
Then it mentions that he was married to one woman probably r to WW II, and then married another woman. But iit seems that he was alone, when murdered.
The next question, is who knew about the money, that he set aside for the new van. I would assume that the offender may have left the area, otherwise they most likely have attracted attention, with a large sum of money.
Of course I have no evidence or proof but there’s not a doubt in my mind that those two creeps killed Mr. Hatcher. I have relatives that were neighbors and that whole house was a nest of drug addicted vermin.
Was Bob working at the casino the night he was killed?
The sick things humans do to other humans!
Hi Everyone,
My name is Brian Wise, I work at KAAL-TV in Rochester, MN.
We recently ran a story on 25th Anniversary and I was hoping to get some answers for Gerald’s family.
Here is the story link:
https://www.kaaltv.com/news/25-years-the-unsolved-murder-of-gerald-best/
I am hoping to connect with anyone that has information about the case.
You can email me at bwise@kaaltv.com.
Anyone with information can reach out to CID Lieutenant Brett Hollander with the Mason City Police Department at (641) 421-3644 or by email.
You can also call the general investigations line at 641-421-3636.
Brian,
Thanks so much for the hard work you and Hanna put in to cover the 25th anniversary of Gerald Best’s unsolved murder.
Your story, with its inclusive details, interviews, and photos, is journalism at its finest.
Keep up the incredible work, and thank you again!
Jody @ ICC
As a former detective with a federal government agency, it bugs me about records issues. We have cold cases, where the cause of death information has not been released to protect the investigation. This involves some cases that are decades old.
In Pennsylvania, a woman was found stabbed to death. The medical examiner classified her death, as a homicide, until the police said there was no signs of forced entry. So, he reclassified her death as a suicide.,
Her parents disagreed, and have been fighting, and had another autopsy. The medical examiner finally reclassified it as a homicide.
However the crime scene was cleaned by the apartment landlord.
The other issue on these investigations, is that who is going to get the credit. It’s part of the reason the FBI, was not well liked many years ago. The Washington Field office used to take credit for recovering stolen cars that the D.C. Metro Police actually recovered.
Another detective was concerned that are department was not getting credit, for some arrests we made, that we turned over the Chicago Police Department. Like we were not getting credit.
I could care less, because of the arrestee, pops up on a warrant or is tied into something better, then the Chicago Police officers involved might owe us a favor.
Many agencies are concerned about who gets the credit. That’s why am big on state wide cold cases units, that are staffed with federal, state, and local agencies.
The U S. Marshal’s Service has had fugitive task forces made up of their people, and many local, state law enforcement agencies, which various resources, and expertise.
“Hedin said he left the saloon about 10 minutes before Blachut.” – How did Hedin know, just curious, if Hedin left early… How do they know Blachut left later, hmmm,.
Linking a reddit thread discussing Jacob’s case, along with Gladys’ case as well:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/1igpr4k/in_1993_in_waterloo_iowa_two_senior_citizens_were/
Linking to reddit thread discussing Gladys’ case, along with Jacob’s case:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/1igpr4k/in_1993_in_waterloo_iowa_two_senior_citizens_were/
Looks like Steve Ridge wants the search warrants on Vansice unsealed:
https://www.kcrg.com/2025/02/04/jodi-huisentruit-investigator-asks-judge-unseal-2017-search-warrant-recently-deceased-person-of-interest/
Thank you for this, I have looked on here so many time, only to not find this. Lori was my mother, I am Kayla, Thank you Danielle.
I never knew this Kayla. I am so sorry honey.
Looks like Dan Morrissey’s been arrested for drug possession:
https://www.kcci.com/article/iowa-crime-daniel-morrissey-drug-charges-waterloo/63639414
Ask her drugged out mommy enough said
Maybe someone should investigate our crooked Sheriff Marty Fisher and his retired Deputy Cheif Hames Davis and the affair Marty was having with Wade’s mommy dearest.
Soo creepy story
its been almost 7 years since Paul was tragically murdered there are answers I am sure someone knows something!!!let gets answers for this family!!!
ever heard of aliba middle school students at that time lost there hair in a card game to a marine i belive harry was the only one at that time i know these guys and they were eigth grad at the time
I was married to his sister and would like an update on this case.
The October 1946 shotgun murder of Dr. Ady Royal McKeown of Conesville was never solved, at least from what I can tell. His neighbor, Conesville mayor George Brown was arrested but the grand jury did not indict so he was released.
could it be that aperson is using domestic acts of vilonce to cover a serial killer acts ther edoing or mybe for hire i mean there ernie there is amos from albia also knoxville a man convicted of shooting his mom ottumwa deputy shoot his wife all these a family killing or ex supposidly done this see the patern each done with a difrent weopon and the fry killing down i melrose mybe this sick person is from an abusive parentents or there parente used to fight in front of them and they think its okay
is it possible that the amos lady tim erni and the smith boy all the same reson mybe those involved were involved with the martin kid and gott kid or difrent cases it seems all military involved has the farm where the hills and martins lived out side of avery searched it has a pond in it and people i lknmow lived there got sick after drinking the water from tap mybe just asking
Linking to a reddit thread about this case on Unsolved Mysteries (reddit):
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/1he2tjz/dorothy_miller_was_murdered_on_aug_19_1969_after/
Linking to a Reddit thread about this case on Unsolved Mysteries (reddit):
https://www.reddit.com/r/coldcases/comments/1hporti/mary_lange_was_murdered_on_december_17th_1970_in/
Linking to a Reddit thread on this case on Unsolved Mysteries (reddit):
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/1i5f2d4/on_may_26_1998_patricia_jauron_went_to_meet_a/
33rd and Pavonia Street don’t cross or intersect…??
wondering what gun did they recover i read here they took a gun from his house
did tim have three girl freinds heard that from albia just wondering
Any updates??
Nice to see an arrest has been made in this case after 41 years.
Here’s the article in the local Cedar Rapids Gazette about Terri’s case:
https://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/arrest-made-in-1983-sioux-city-homicide/
So glad to see an arrest has finally been made!
I am pleased to see that an arrest was made after 40 years of going unsolved. I have followed her case for years and have always hoped this day would come.
Thinking of her family through this difficult time and I hope this brings you some peace after everything is said and done.
I am so happy to hear that there is an arrest. I love this for the family it’s about time! Ummm
A day we never thought would happened – finally did. An arrest made 40 years later! The same man many guessed was the murderer will finally be held responsible. The arrest of Thomas Duane Popp!!!!
Norma was married to my grandfather’s brother. I wasn’t very old when this happened but I do remember the talk about it.
Here’s a YT video that includes this story, which starts at 9:25. It sounds like she engaged in a lot of very risky behavior, especially for a youngster her age, then or now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwIWQV7Jq8Y
I watched the video. Multiple errors on the parts of multiple LE agencies over decades compromised LE investigations; or lack thereof as the case may be.
Seems to me she deserved better than her home life and absentee father coupled with the inept handling of her case.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/identifyus/permalink/1935855256942547/
Tonya, the age range is close, and height is spot on. However, the eye color, and hair color is not a match. Their is no mention of the missing guy having freckles, or tattooes.
I was just going to suggest the same person. I just saw this on FB
Looks like John Vansice has passed away:
https://cbs2iowa.com/news/local/man-connected-to-jodi-huisentruits-disappearance-dies-in-arizona#
Looks like Timothy W. Fortney has been found and identified. KCRG in Cedar Rapids has a story on their site about it.
Link to story on KCRG:
https://www.kcrg.com/2024/12/27/authorities-use-dna-identify-remains-iowa-man-missing-more-than-5-years/
I read about it in the Des Moines Register. I’m awaiting additional info to see if his death should be added to our homicides section. A very sad ending for this young man.
What I want to know is…When was the last time she was seen by someone other than her husband? Why wasn’t the alligator and snakes x-rayed to see what they had eaten? Those would have cleared Pogo and the snakes from being involved. Was the places he says he visited that day checked?
Is it possible to take a three year old fishing in Iowa? Yes. For five hours? Probably not. That is a long time for an adult to go fishing. This piece of shit killed his wife. All of these faggots who say “he was my science teacher, nice guy” are fuckin clueless pieces of shit. This motherfucker will get what is coming to him. No doubt about it. He deserves to die.
Jerry Lee Huff the man who was acquitted of kill Sanda Kinney died in 2023.
I wonder if they ever looked into Theodore Anthony Hoerstman as the possible skeleton that was found in Winneshiek County?
Theodore Anthony “Ted” Hoerstman, a 45-year-old disabled adult, was reported missing to the Dubuque Police Department in Dubuque, Iowa, on December 6, 1982.
Weight: 175 lbs.
Height: 5′ 09″
Hair Color: Brown
I wonder if they ever looked into Theodore Anthony Hoerstman as the possible skeleton that found in Winneshiek County – March 31, 1986
Description: White male, 33 to 36 years of age, five feet six inches to five feet nine inches, 145 – 160 lbs., brown hair, medium build
Details: Skeletal remains found March 31, 1986, between hay bales at a farm site in Winneshiek County, Iowa
Was there ever a possible motive suggested? Why is there no mention of whether or not there was evidence of a sexual assault?
There was an article in the Gazette about Rose’s homicide:
https://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/cold-case-son-remembers-mom-being-tough-as-nails-never-one-to-back-down/
It’s been over a year since Burns’ remains were found and no release of autopsy results – at least what I could find via web searches.
I would think the autopsy would ascertain if foul play was suspected (e.g. knife wound markings on his bones, compressed trachea indicating strangulation, gun shot wounds, etc.), inconclusive results, or no foul play – suggesting he perhaps wandered off and succumbed to the cold Iowa winter elements.
Maybe their holding off on releasing any information to not compromise the investigation but it sure seems like the case is very, very cold.
I worked with Lana from time to time for Trison Corp as a maintenance tech/heating-cooling & plumbing tech, I worked the West Desmoines properties, Lana was a very nice lady to work with. If you slacked off on your job then she had no problem letting you know, this came from a couple of her maintenance techs that worked there then but I vehemently disagreed, she was always pleasant to me, her techs were lazy to a point, thus myself & another tech were called there to help out from time to time. Her husband Tom was very kind also & was like the vice president I beleive at the time, very nice people, we were sick to our stomachs as the news spread that day from property to property. Great family! Not sure if there was ever a connection but the other tech I worked with every day was Raymond Countryman, he is the maintenance super at 3000 grand who murdered the Milotech (sp?) elderly sisters there. That happened after leaving the property we worked at together for Trison. He had stolen a large tractor from there for mowing, he had been in prison prior to that, he was also on meth as we come to find out later. The building he lived in also “just” happened to burn to the ground even before that, he received a insurance settlement from that also. Ray was a small man but violent as the murders of the 2 sisters showed, he & his wife were sentenced to 2 life terms, he kept the bodies there for some time behind a false wall in that case, it was violent. I remember once that he came back from landmark south apartments after being told to report there to help the other techs, he came back ranting & raving about Lana being a “b” to him, he said he couldn’t stand her & would never work that property again, that they could fire him, he didn’t care. He was always in need of quick money, I’m not sure why because Trison Corp paid us very well but found out after the murders it was likely due to his meth use. Many residents would state that he creeped them out. I’d put my money on Ray for Lana’s murder, I really would. As I said Tom, Lana & the kids were very nice & always was kind to me & other techs, landmark was a very large property & it was a tough property but Lana was turning the place around for the good. I miss those days as it seemed all who worked for Trison were great people & seemed like family. I weeped for 2 days for this family & still think of them often. Tom, if you or the kids read this I pray all has been good for you folks, I felt horrible for you guys, &Lana was a pro, I admired how she was turning that rough property, rough properties such as landmark south are very, very tough to get under control, I admired her work ethic & intelligence & commitment. She was a great lady, R.I.P. my friend & co-worker😪
Rick, I wonder if the police ever interviewed you. Since you and the other repairman worked there and had contact with Lana.
Plus the fact you point to a fellow repairman as a possible suspect, because of his anger at Lana, his apparent drug use, and his conviction on the murders.
I wonder if the police ever had any of the forensic evidence retested. The murder weapon, was supposedly stolen, a few days before his murder. But, I assume the police have not released the name of the person, who had the weapon originally.
Plus, was anything else stolen,besides the weapon. Also, the original witnesses should be less afraid after the passing of over 30 some years.
I assume he was born in Sioux City, but lived in California. In fact he is buried there. There is no mention of how long he loved in California. I wonder if there was a reason he came back
I was reading the following story: Forgotten Wisconsin Cold Cases; Christopher Revek – Deadly Connections. Although deceased, he is connected to the disappearance and murder of two women, one in Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin and another one in Missouri, where he worked as a paramedic
There appears to be sexual connection to his murders and authorities believe that there may be more victims. He killed himself while in custody for the Missouri murder.
Well, the article seems to suggest that he might be connected to Jodi’s disappearance. Since they don’t know where he went after graduating from high school in Wisconsin Rapids.
They did not provide any date or year of birth, but he may have been about 36 when he died.
So, another person to look at. His former wife helped him dispose of the body of the Missouri victim. She claims she was afraid of him
She supposedly has remarried and moved to an unknown location.
If they tie him to any other cases, he will be considered a serial killer. I have no opinion. But they referenced Jodi, I had to share the information.
Here’s a link to the story Patrick is referring to:
https://www.wsaw.com/2024/12/06/forgotten-wisconsin-cold-cases-christopher-revak-deadly-connections/
That was a good read – including the links embedded in the articles.
A vague, speculative reference to Crystal Aarensdorf – based on the MO and evidently the Wood County WI authorities have been in touch with the Dubuque PD – so maybe there is something there.
I agree Crystal seems to fit a pattern in regards to Deirdre Harm in Wood County, Wisconsin. Both victims were either bar hoping and were 20 and 21 years old. However Rene Williams, was 36 years old, and was a bar tender, and closing up the place.
However, the time frame, may fit a pattern. The problem, is finding a record placing Christopher in Dubuque. His ex-wife should be brought in for questioning.
I think, she might know more then she has said so far. Plus we need a full background check on Christopher. All the training, and where he might have vacationed.
Mason City PD is once again looking at Revak as a possible suspect in Jodi’s case:
https://www.kcrg.com/2024/12/10/investigators-revisit-previously-dismissed-lead-jodi-huisentruit-case/
Yea, from I heard from a Deputy I contacted earlier this yr is they know who did it but didn’t have the truck. I forgot to question then as to why they went after Brown when it was one the Boys who’s Dad just passed away recently. If that truck is still around, they are about to have a major estate auction tomorrow I believe. I’d love nothing more then if they showed up and hauled every single one of those vehicles in for forensics testing even after all these yrs. He’s gotten away with it for 22 yrs.
Is this man related to the Newton Forsyth family murder? Because, if so, I’m related to this person.
Thoughts?
https://www.lmtribune.com/local-news/man-arrested-in-alleged-domestic-violence-incident-outside-of-riggins-89afbe53
At least he’s toned it down from outright execution via a firearm.
An obvious scumbag.
As usual, there is no mentioned of the possible caliber of firearm used. His wife supposedly found his body by his truck Monday morning. However, there is no time frame mentioned about when he was last seen alive and found dead.
I would assume the bullet that killed him, came from the Elk Creek Marsh, but it appears that was not confirmed. The county may have not had the ability to determine that with any accuracy.
It would be more helpful to sort with a map that you can filter by neighborhood (i.e. River Bend, Oak Park, etc.), year, street, age of victim, and other things. The homicide that happened in my apartment at 712 E. 7th St. is not listed. I know that was not solved. A woman was killed in my old apartment. I know that, because the apartment manager at the time said no one had lived there in 6 years because of it. I was the first to live there after it happened. I moved in December of 2003. I still don’t know her name.
I noticed there is no mention if there any signs of forced entry into his apartment. Also, no mention what type of weapon may have been used, in the attack.
I would guess that it might have been related to his drug trafficking.
Year after year, I come here to check on any updates. Still a huge void in our life not knowing who murdered my uncle. Hope there is still hope. Somewhere in this world.
Did Ruth ever live in the San Francisco Bay Area. More specifically(, Vallejo, CA?
yes she did
Patty’s mother just died. In her obit it stated that she and her former husband owned Veach Fish Market in eastern part of downtown Des Moines (now called the East Village) Patty’s mother worked at their market which was near Bernie’s Italian Deli, owned by Bernard Grandanette whose first wife was murdered (unsolved) in a mob style hit in Windsor Heights, IA in 1958. This same man was listed as Etta’s (Patty’s mother) companion of 27 years, he died in 2006.
Was the wife ever looked into? He was fooling around on her after all. Whose to say she didn’t know,. The article doesn’t mention her until the obituary. Having a wife at home would be pretty good incentive for Mrs Carley to go anywhere else to call the police.
Has anyone noticed that where Geraldine lived, Maureen Farley lived/worked, and where Maureen’s killer(George smith) lived is all in the same area and within 5 years. Both young women dumped in ravines. All lived around that area on first ave. Coralville res, where she was found is just a short distancee from Ely road. I might be reaching but very similar.
I’m truly so sorry for the tragedies you’ve had to endure. I shouldn’t say that I understand your drive now, but I do see what has driven you. And I commend you so much. Your family has suffered some very big untimely and unfair loss. That is a feeling I am all too familiar with. I’m honestly in awe of you and your work. I really wish I had done something as amazing with my grief. Thank you for sharing your story. 💜
Her son Carl Edward Maynard died in 2006 at age 57. I’ve viewed a couple old articles that do cast suspicion on her son.
It would be interesting to compare DNA between these two babies at the very least. They were killed similarly, close in time, and in the same area. They could be siblings. It would take a special kind of monster to do this not once, but twice.
Back in the 50’s this may have been a woman married to an abusive man and unable to leave. If he killed these babies, she wouldn’t have had much say in the matter.
I’m stunned to hear myself say this. But I think it’s perfectly possible that the husband was not involved. At least no more than he could have been.
He was clearly running around with an unsavory bunch. He could have been the target for just a little “talking to”. She could have been collateral damage.
Also, people often don’t remember specific details during a traumatic event. She could have simply jumped back and he could have perceived her as turning.
I know nothing more of this case, so I could be way off the mark. But unless if I’m missing something, there is not near enough evidence to know for sure enough to insist it was the husband.
I can’t help but think of a slew of cases in which the husband is wrongly imprisoned; on trial for having bad friends or being bad husbands, but being sent to jail for murder. That’s a dangerous jump to make.
There was a recent search done in Minnesota by Iowa and Minnesota investigators. It was due to a tip sent in regarding Jodi’s case:
https://findjodi.com/mason-city-iowa-investigators-search-area-in-winstedminnesota-on-a-huisentruit-tip/
Yellowbag, may have have dropped an interesting tidbit in his September 26, 2022 comment. He mentioned the guy was wearing an orange and blue reflective jacket. Now, we need to think who would normally be wearing that type of jacket. One thought might be someone who works as maybe ground crew at an airport, maybe loading luggage into a plane, etc.
Also, he talked with an accent that seems the guy was from out East.I am originally from New York City, from many years ago. But don’t seem to have an accent from there. However, while in the Navy, was stationed in New Hampshire, and Connecticut
So maybe Yellowbag can expand upon the accent part. Would it have been someone from New England area, or further south.
Hi Patrick,
I have always thought the jacket is the key to figuring out who the Fairmont man was/is. It could have been a paramedic jacket (which is what I thought at the time), or someone who worked at the airport or Air Guard. It was unusual in the 80s to see someone wearing a heavy blue and orange reflective coat at night. The guy was wired and aggressive at 6 AM, so I assume he was getting off work and not going to work. It was snowing heavily, so it is also possible the man was wearing the jacket while removing snow someplace.
I saw the man for less than a minute, 42 years ago, but I do not think he resembled the Gacy associate from Chicago, or the sketch of the man seen at 42nd and Ashworth when Johnny was kidnapped. When he said “with you,” it sounded like “wit-chew.” I think that is pretty common from New England to Virginia, so I am not sure how much that narrows things down. If the guy who tried to kidnap me is the same guy who kidnapped Johnny (the car is exactly the same), then he must have been around the DM area for at least a 7 month period (March through September, 1982).
Yellowbag, I was also thinking along the lines of someone getting off work. I threw out the idea of working at an airport, was a guess. But the reflective jacket would be required for someone who worked outside at night, and needed a jacket that that would be seen, especially at night.
I was hoping that the colors would trigger a memory of someone who worked a certainly job. The other thought was someone who served in the military, that might have been in the military, and was from the East Coast, and decided to stay with in the area.
Yellowbag, you mention a an associate of John Wayne Gacy. The Chicago Tribune on May 16, 1977, wrote about John David Norman, who ran a nationwide homosexual ring, headquartered in Chicago, known as the Delta Ring.
His assistant was an individual identified as Phillip R. Paske (25), at the time. Paske, worked for the City of Chicago. I seem to think he worked for the Chicago Park District.
There is a reference to a Michael J. Rossi, as an employee of Gacy’s Construction Company, however they don’t provide any more information on him.
Norman, had 30,000 index cards with names of pedophiles who paid for sex with young boys, and their preferences.
The index cards mysteriously disappeared. They were discovered by Dallas Police.
I wondered in anyone can connect Paske, who was born in 1953, Norman, or Rossi to Iowa.
Yellow Bag, I was writing up a case file of sorts on my computer on Johnny’s case. In regards to the reflective jacket.
In my former profession, we purchased certain uniform items like shirts, pants, uniform belts, handcuffs, holsters, shoes, jackets etc.
Many law enforcement agencies, firefighter, security guards, postal employees, municipal bus drivers, would go to certain uniform shops in Chicago or their suburbs.
Also, there was a place in Kentucky, that carried all kinds of stuff for law enforcement, firefighters, etc. I remember paying through their catalog, and ordering something for one of our government agency vehicles.
In your case, orange was one of the most bright colors around. In this day ang age there are more options, such as lime green or bright yellow. It appears they most used item are the reflective vests.
So, someone might check uniform shops in the area, that might seem to remember carrying that type of jacket in their stock.
But if it had been a paramedic or security guard, There would be something on the jacket to further identify their profession hopefully.
Hi Patrick,
I wish I could remember if there was any kind of emblem on the coat, but I cannot. I think the coat was primarily blue, with orange stripes and outlines.
When I was talking to the man, he kept looking in his rear-view mirror. I took off running at the point I felt like he was about to jump out and grab me. I remember being surprised he drove off in a hurry instead of running after me. So, I am sure the man was coming home from work at 6 AM, not going to work. Why would someone try to kidnap a kid on the way TO work?
Yellow Bag, I was not putting any pressure on you. I was just adding something that came to mind in regards to the jacket.
I sort of putting out stuff that comes to mind, that might get some people thinking, or trigger a memory.
It could be someone knowing someone wearing a similar jacket.
Quite often in cold cases, it’s the little things that an investigator might stumble upon, and it triggers something to look at.
There have been offenders identified through DNA 🧬 n cold cases, that were never on law enforcement radar screen of sorts.
Could Aaron possibly be this Arizona Doe?
I just donated $10 for the DNA sequencing, in Aaron’s name.
https://dnadoeproject.org/case/4513-2/
I have more information on Dennis Rhomberg. At age 43, slightly under 2 months after Crystal dissapeared, Dennis (kidnapper and rapist, who grew up in the area from where Crystal was taken, and who at one point lived just a few blocks down the street from Knickers) died, after falling or jumping from a bridge in rural East Dubuque.
Given Dennis’s prior kidnapping and rape history from downtown Dubuque, his cousin Randy’s abduction, participation in the gang rape of, and murder of Jodi Bausman (one of Randy’s roommates and participation in the Bausman attack was Craig Otterbeck, who we now know to be a serial rapist and probable serial killer, given his murder of Thomasina Dunavant and participation in the murder of Jodi Bausman), Dennis’s cousin Sean Rhomberg’s high level of psychopathy as evidenced by his conduct including his murder of the elderly woman, and what one might wonder is possible genetic psychopathy running through that family, maybe one should be looking at where Dennis was the night Jodi disappeared. Did he commit suicide by jumping off that bridge?
I’ll post a link here; I don’t know if it will go through or not. https://iagenweb.org/boards/dubuque/obituaries/index.cgi?read=308988
Again, this is just one possibility among many. I used to own a couple rentals very close to Knickers Saloon and have had interactions in that capacity (and some in my professional capacity) with a number of the local psychopaths.
Anon,
This is all good info.
I’d be interested in your assessment of the most likely perpetrator(s) and motive after all of your research and knowledge of the neighborhood.
The usual qualifiers of course… your conclusions are alleged only, opinions are your own, you possess no direct and substantive proof, etc.
If your so inclined and feel comfortable but it looks to me that you possess a unique insight into this case.
In 1965, Leonard J Oswald, formerly of 2561 Jackson St, Dubuque, forced his way into a Dubuque woman’s house at gunpoint and violently raped her. He grew up 4.5 blocks from Knickers saloon and this would have been within the zone of comfort that most criminals operate. Oswald is alive and well. He was discharged from Anamosa in 1969 for this violent rape. According to online records, he was living in Dubuque at the time of Crystal’s disappearance. He is just one of many violent sex offenders on the loose with ties to not only Dubuque, but in fact to the very neighborhood where Crystal was taken from.
I continue to comb through old Dubuque Telegraph Herald articles for possible perps.
In 1966, the following Dubuque men were found guilty of kidnapping a woman who was walking down the street, so that one of them could rape her (he told her this in the car). She managed to escape: Ronald J Wallace, Sidney Wallace, James L Lucy, and Richard Dunwoody. All were convicted of kidnapping her. Sidney continues to reside at 1538 Central Ave, just a few blocks from where Crystal disappeared. Sure the Peacocks names are well known, but think of all of the other Dubuque men with violent sexual assaultive history who were and are free men but whose convictions pre-date DNA testing, the Sex Offender Registry, computerized arrest and conviction records, etc.
Was there any ever update on the jaw bone found in the Iowa River? Also do we know what relative she was last seen with and why she was even placed in the nursing home in the first place? This lady deserves to have her story told, but theres just so many holes and so much thats not provided.
I think the jawbone belonged to a prehistoric man:
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2022/09/22/jawbone-found-iowa-river-belonged-prehistoric-human/8080397001/
I commented yesterday about how Crystal went missing from a bar just a couple doors down from where Jodi Bausmann had been abducted by Randy Rhomberg, Greg Otterbeck, and Michael Shaffer.
Anyway, Randy’s cousin, Dennis Rhomberg, was also an abductor and rapist, as it turns out. Dennis had picked up a girl who was hitchhiking in 1977, drove her out into the countryside, and violently raped her.
Dennis was alive and well, and living in Dubuque, at the time Crystal went missing.
I’ve been going through old newspapers to ascertain the names of other historical Dubuque rapists and/or kidnappers who had convictions before the days of mandatory DNA testing for felons, before the days of the sex offender registry, and before computerized records were kept.
Here are various Dubuque and Dubuque-area gang rapists: Michael Betts, Timothy Murphy, Ricky Shannon, Joseph Huber, Joseph Matthess, Lenny Creger, Bernard Kalvelage, George Petersen, Kevin McDonald, Randall Reiger, Charles Breitbach, Douglas Fiedler, Steven M Becker, Michael E Glans, William Camp, Winston Blackmon, Herbert G Witt III, and Charles Lewis are Dubuque and Dubuque-area gang rapists from the 70’s.
Those who were violent solo rapists from Dubuque and the greater Dubuque area from the 70’s include Raymond Rowell, Thomas J Weidenbach, Gary Shepard, William R Heitz, Gregory Lund, Carl Cox, Gene E Dryer, Michael W Fries, Daryl E Brooks, Steven R Gill, and Larry Damm.
And I’m only part-way through reviewing these old records.
Yeah, the Peacocks might be good for it, but there are so many others that might be quiet and older and under the radar.
who was she engaged to at the time of her murder?
John Joseph Carmody Jr. died in November of 2020, in Texas.
Dubuque can be a pretty dangerous city, and the area she went missing from has a lot of crime. This is not relevant, but just a historical fact. Jodi Bausman was taken by Randy Rhomberg, Michael Shaffer, and Gregory Otterbeck from Kelly’s Cove which was at 2126 Central, on the same block from where Crystal Arensdorf went missing. I used to own a couple rentals in the 1700 block of Washington, which was 7 blocks from there, and it was not a safe area.
I found an article in an internet archive, plus some Deans List publications. He was an honors student at the Iowa Western Community College for three semesters in a row. Then he didn’t show up to visit his family in New York for Thanksgiving. When law enforcement checked it out, they found his apartment door unlocked, his car in the parking lot, and his wallet, car keys, and book bag in the apartment. What a terrible tragedy this, and all other cases like it, are.
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There was a story on KWWL about Kenny’s unsolved case:
https://www.kwwl.com/news/crime-courts/looking-back-at-unsolved-14-year-olds-murder-in-dubuque-37-years-later/article_f58ce124-871d-11ef-9017-5f251ffcf9c5.html
As Dennis’ niece, I would love to see his case be solved. My grandparents went to their graves not knowing what happened to their son and my dad (his half brother) is now 90 so I would like to see it solved in his lifetime. Wonder if there is a way to get my hands on the case file?? I always felt it made no sense for the police to think Mary had anything to do with it with her two children in the house all weekend with no food or water in 100+ degree temps in July. Time to rethink this whole thing and come at it with clear vision.
Should say Fayette County Iowa. The portable brain spelled wrong by assumption.
Additionally, the law enforcement is a reflection of the community they serve.
If citizens refuse to testify, try everything to get out of jury duty, and blindly approve of judges on a ballot, or leave the judges vote blank, you have the system you deserve.
These folks lived down by my family farm it’s so messed up this hasn’t been solved.
Goes to show how much Warren County can depend on the sheriff….
Sometimes firemen are arsonists. Google it.
They need to get these aired on the TV and question witnesses again get new detectives on the case to get maybe get new fresh eyes
I have heard from some that Rhonda knew her murderer. I don’t know if that has any merit. I thought I would throw it out there.
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I guess my mother’s case wasn’t never reviewed or there was no time for anyone to contact me back Jodi I had left you a message at the top of the page quite some time back, also never received a phone call back from the detectives I would like to meet with and have this case reworked with fresh eyes new detectives my mother was abused on her autopsy report that should be more than enough evidence that he beat her up prior to killing her, she had a bite mark on her lip on the outside bruises on her face black eye and they stated she had bite marks on her tongue from being strangled how do you bite your tongue at the same time you get a bite mark on the outside of your lip he’s already bit her lip off once completely off.
Alisia I’m so frustrated reading about your mamas case that I cannot even fathom how you feel. Why is there 0 drive or urgency to lock him up till he rots? I want to suggest for you to reach out to a few people who run you tube channels dedicated to unsolved true crime. It would maybe help not only to spread awareness but to put some pressure and accountability on the LE you’ve had to deal with. And their inadequacies. I will send a few names/channels that take their work and research very seriously and you can submit the case to them. I will too (squeaky wheel theory). I’ve had about 5 channels cover the my friends missing person case. Anything helps! This is absolutely solvable I feel.
Please do send me the information for YouTube or documentary interested on cold case solving, I would be interested in pushing someone to say something come forward there is reward money from crime stoppers in Des Moines for her case.
35 yrs. A LEO. Retired. In every major crime consider “cui bono” who stands to gain.
As to evidence, look for things that are at the scene that should not be there, and look for things that should be at the scene, but are not.
People who commit this type of crime are NOT sick, they are EVIL. The local Priests should be asked anyone confesses to this. Yes, I know, sworn to secrecy, but a yes or no answer is not divulging details.
The material witness and his brother were charged in 2022 for a deadly shooting
Yes, I am looking for this, too.
Article in the Cedar Rapids Gazette about Brocks’ murder:
https://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/cold-case-unsolved-murder-of-willie-brocks-spans-career-of-cedar-rapids-investigator/
Could this priest, Leo Riley, who’d worked in Dubuque, be linked to this boy’s death?
https://www.kcci.com/article/father-leo-riley-iowa-priest-faces-allegations-sexual-abuse-children/60647587#:~:text=DUBUQUE%2C%20Iowa%20%E2%80%94&text=in%20the%201980s.-,Father%20Leo%20Riley%20was%20arrested%20in%20Florida%20last%20week.,was%20a%20priest%20in%20Dubuque.&text=He%20then%20moved%20to%20Florida%20in%20the%20early%202000s.,-There%2C%20a%20John
He would be a person of interest in Kenny’s case. However, all his other alleged victims are all alive, it is assumed.
Plus, the authorities would have to place in to have come in contact with Kenny. Did he work at the school, Would his duties as a priest require him to provide any religious services at the school or at Hillcrest.
Also, was the school or Hillcrest located close to the church where he was assigned. Otherwise, how would he come in contact with Kenny.
I would assume his victims most likely were children at the church where he was assigned.
Crystal was in my class in the early 90s. I remember that they lived in a rural run down house that caught fire and they remained there. Her and her brother smelled of smoke for days. She rode my bus route. I was at a Burger King a few years after graduation and saw a missing person picture there.
I think that he bears a striking resemblance to the circumstances and the physical characteristics of Marion county John Doe from Florida. John Doe was the victim of being hit by a vehicle. The accident occurred November of 1990 in Marion county Florida.
A long shot but maybe they could use Mvac to retrive any dna from his register bag. The abductor likely discarded it. Might even have used it to strangle Eugene.
Nobody brings up the kidnapping from starlight village, Rebecca / her daughter, how they cover it up, use are town as a plot, landfill of death..BS, how long term residents are treated, for safety. Solve these cold cases, what are they scared of?????
Iowa, Fort dodge wrongfully charged her boyfriend, he didn’t do nothing wrong.
just adding stuff. The car that left the area we thought we heard a girl murdered had unfamiliar tail lights and longer trunk at the time. but I matched them to a 78 Chrysler Newport decades later. when the car stopped for a bit in Gitchie, we were discussing what had happened. and the discussion was pointing that it could be law enforcement. I was sceptic the Law Enforcement could do such a thing. So I was focused on the car and didn’t see and sign of a law enforcement logo on the side of the car. I also watch for lights on the roof and definitely there was no light on the roof of the car. I remember as were were watching the car, I was looking around to make sure nobody was walking up on us. Dean said he saw someone outside the car. but we decided it was nothing because no doors had opened because that would turn the car interior lights on. they though it looked like someone had walked past one of the rear tail lights. and we decided it was nothing. At that time we didn’t realize that there was a truck parked near that spot. For decades I could not figure out how the guys in the truck would have had time to run back to the spot the girl would have been killed. it never seem possible for them to go back after they left gitchie. the car stopped in the area of the truck but no doors or trunk opened. but I had forgot about the part where they thought someone passed by the tail light. but the evidence from the cold case says that she had a rope around her and she was drug at some point. It seems totally possible that when we were driving up on the truck that one of the guys from the truck could have just drug her body behind the truck. they could have untied her from the rear bumper or the passenger in the car could have held the rope thru the window. it would explain how we might have seen a guy walk past the rear tail light and the transfer of the girls body to the truck.
Something else. I’ve always remembered the plate as 9803ME. But there’s a memory of when we had decided to follow the truck to get the plate number. we were going to each get a part of the plate. I was going to get the last digits. which was 03 not ME. 9803 is primary and ME was secondary. I continually said 9803 in my head and added ME Later. So I think its ME9803 because I thought that the ME was less important. I repeated 9803 a half dozen times then added ME. then repeated it to myself. when I looked up ME9803 it went to a 2007 Harley motorcycle. I looked up 9804 and 9805 and it no motorcycles showed up. you’d think motorcycle plates would be in sequence. South Dakota had a way of reusing your old plates on new vehicles. so I was wondering if someone had the plate reregistered to a different vehicle since the plate number was documented as the plate of the truck that left Gitchie that night and was on the road where Wilma was found months later.
There seems to be many cold cases, or suspicious deaths in Iowa. Thinking about Truck driver David Schultz where his truck was found in Sac County. According to what I been hearing on headline news, that when David went missing in November 2023 his truck was pulled over on side of road. David’s wallet, credit/debit cards, money, and phone were still in the truck Untouched. David “jacket, coat?” Was outside his truck on the ground. And, if I remember correctly either the local county Authorities did a super wide search around surrounding open areas. Due to Fields being down at the time they should have found David. Though, they not until later. Not sure like I said if finally a search team found David Not far from where his Semi was at All. And, they “the coroner” says David died of natural causes. Then I read today that meth was in his system. Though, during first autopsy this was not revealed. I am not sure if The deceased did drugs like that??? This leaves many questions for Authorities! Why would David get out of his truck , take his coat off, and walk a ways only to succumb to hypothermia??? It just does not make sense. If I am correct David’s wife asked for a second autopsy. After seeing all the cold cases going way back from 50’s to now. This is unreal. The two cousins, ages 8, and 10ths young in 2012 were found about 20 miles from where David was found. Thinking did someone pull David over??? And, then he exited the truck, and then only God knows what after that. Sounds like Iowa might need a bit more cold case investigators on all these cases?
There was no foul play involved in David’s death. This article outlines what happened. https://www.ktiv.com/2024/06/19/david-schultzs-cause-death-has-been-released/
The meth was found on the first autopsy during toxicology tests. He wasn’t found right away because there was enough stubble in the field to hide the body, plus they apparently only walked the fence lines when searching instead of actually going into the fields. At the time of his disappearance, he’d been working for 30 hours straight without any sleep, so he took the meth to give him enough of a boost to get the pigs hauled. Meth can really mess up your system. It made him have a medical emergency (overheated/racing heart), so he got out of the truck to walk it off and went into the field where he was found. He didn’t call for help because he was probably afraid of getting busted and losing his license.
The field where he was at is not 20 miles from where Lyric and Elizabeth were found. There’s almost 200 miles (give or take) between the locations. He was found in Sac County, they were found in Bremer County.
It was probably Big brother/ little brother whichever James Altman. He seems to get away with murdering and assaulting woman in cold blood! I BET HIS ASS!
I get paid by Noreen to discredit the truth.
John and Noreen snaked me in the culo.
John and Noreen snaked me in the culo.
Noreen and John Sr. killed their son.
I am a shill for Noreen. She did it!
I know who killed Rhonda Knutson. I am absolutely 100% certain. I know him personally. Will someone please listen to me. 319-269-8830. I have known for 32 years.
It would have been nice if Mr. Dill’s daughter provided more details about school reunion. Was this a school reunion that Audrey attended, or a reunion for the guy she was with. Also, the name of the nightclub would have been nice. She mentions a picture, but who has the picture, and a statement from the bouncer.
Plus she does not provide any details on when she supposedly fled to Texas. I assume this Stan, has been cleared of his possible involvement in her disappearance. I like to quote Sgt Joe Friday, in regards to the facts.
Also the results of polygraph exams are not allowed in court as they are not reliable. I had one many years ago, when applying for a job. The examiner seemed to think I had a thing for fires. Yet, I don’t smoke and don’t play with matches.
I even use electronic lighters to light the candles at church and the same with the incense charcoals for funerals.
In many missing person cases, we sometimes hear or read that the missing person was seen somewhere else, but it wasn’t confirmed. Was this appearance at the nightclub confirmed by law enforcement.
It would be nice, if this deceased woman in South Carolina could be exhumed and DNA to properly identify her. It would give her a name and confirm or deny she is this missing woman.
Looks like Jade Colvin’s 2016 missing persons case is now a homicide and there’s been an arrest made in her case:
https://www.kcrg.com/2024/08/12/georgia-man-charged-connection-2017-iowa-cold-case/
Buzz Anderson? He spent Christmases with Heather and Drew and was CONVICTED of kidnapping a girl the same age and raping her repeatedly in the 80s. He even gave Heather and Drew a gold Camaro to drive during all those parades and motorcycle events they organized….. Someone posted this on Reddit. I’ve never heard this story.
Not sure if anyone posted this yet, but there’s a new docuseries out about the Evansdale case (link is to story on KWWL website):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNR9IuTe-28
I watched it. I still want to know why the FBI won’t tell us how they excluded Klunder? Like they say they have several reasons why it’s not him, but won’t say exactly why.
I remember Iowa investigators said something at one point that Klunder was ruled out as a suspect because of GPS/cell phone ping data that didn’t put him anywhere near the area along with eye witnesses verifying his whereabouts. Have to keep in mind they were under no obligation to publicly rule him out and did so anyway.
A couple thoughts/questions..
1. I saw on Facebook that Iowa cold cases said (in 2016) they thought they knew what caused the marks on Kim’s body and what connected her case to Craig’s, was this ever posted to the public?
2. In terms of the house fire that took the lives of the Loose brothers and parents, did they ever release anything on the padlocks that were on the doors? I wondered if they were installed by the parents to make sure the brothers didn’t run away and/or get hurt.
3. With the amount of people that seemed to come forward witnessing things that night, I’m surprised no one saw what happened? I also have to think there has got to be rumors, do they warrant any truth?
4. I’m also very curious about Kevin and Jeff, were they in and out of trouble after this? Did they stay friends? I was able to find a picture of Kevin, but never found any of Jeff…
I found a picture of Jeff from sleuthing yearbooks. Neither one of them have a digital footprint.
I am a niece of Miles Dougherty, I was 10 when he disappeared. It literally broke all of our hearts. He was my very favorite person. My parents at the time had us 5 girls & he would often just stop by & bring us candy. He babysat for us as well. He had the most gentle heart & loved us dearly. He adored his family and would never have left on his own. My Father, Tom Fennell worked as a reporter for the Journal & tried everything to find him, I remember him being so frustrated that the police department would not drag the river. He left a lasting legacy of bravery and courage. I still miss him & just pray someday……… Mo Shepherd
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Hello I wasn’t born yet when this happened but my grandfather was in the towns law enforcment at the time and went to the scene. He shared that he as well thought it was by law enforcement. The cop reported his duty baton missing even. If someone could find that it would have been solved. I grew up hearing details of the crime scene and it was horrible. My grandpa still to this day can’t believe how brutal the scene was. I hope justice is served for Rhonda.
Stumbled across this in 2024. will share the flyer from https://www.facebook.com/Missing.FredrickJamesWorkman
And hope it helps someone get in touch with the young man.
My heart goes out to you.
From the Des Moines Register: “Harland Shuey was stabbed in his home. He called 911 twice to report his injuries but was apparently hard to understand. Officers found him conscious in the dining room with a trail of blood throughout the house. There was no forced entry, and he had no known enemies.”
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KWWL news story about Crystal’s disappearance:
https://www.kwwl.com/news/crime-courts/4th-of-july-marks-23-years-since-dubuque-womans-disappearance/article_4ff4d62e-3a1d-11ef-8dde-93acf9fadabf.html
Article in today’s Gazette (7/5/24):
https://www.thegazette.com/news/29-years-later-pleas-to-solve-jodi-huisentruits-abduction/
The two year gap could also be him holding them captive until he killed them? There are kidnappers and pedophiles who do have their time with them before “getting rid of them”. Think for a minute. The boys were between 12-14, around when some start hitting puberty, so he could have held them for 2 years and they just got to be “too old”.
Who paid the phone bill? The cell phone that sent the messages must have been paid for somehow?
Does it seem a bit suspicious that Steve’s Girlfriend (Paula Shimek) married another guy (Mark Wilson) less then a month (Feb 26, 1978) after he was reported missing (Feb 5, 1978)? There seems to be some obvious motives there and I wonder if investigators ever followed that lead.
The earliest newspaper reports state the coroner’s estimated date of death for Lois Bradley as Thursday, June 27, 1991. Neighbors reported an odor in the hallways that following Saturday. When interviewed, neighbors said Lois would leave her door unlocked or open in the hopes of talking to neighbors as they walked in the hallway. Her aunt said she struggled with living alone and had moved into the apartment when she was no longer able to keep up with her childhood home. Hopefully someone knows something.
It’s bewildering to think that this couple actually found their own grandchild. It’s difficult for me to imagine that they had no idea their son or son’s gf placed the baby in their barn. They admit their son was the last to go to bed that night and that their dog had been barking. Did the gf drop the baby off on their property or did their son place the bag with their grandchild in their barn? Extremely sad.
It’s odd after all these years I found this.
James (Jimmy) was my half brother. He lived with us for a time in C.R. on Mt Vernon Rd. I was around 12 or 13 when it happened. Jimmy was mentally disabled, he could dress and feed himself, I’m not sure if he was capable of cooking but he couldn’t get a drivers license. Mostly he wasn’t able to live alone.
My dad had gone and brought him to the house on Mt Vernon Rd for Thanksgiving just before it happened. I remember that his face was very swollen with at least one black eye, he was somewhat unrecognizable. He told us that he’d fallen down some stairs. I don’t know if my dad inquired further into why my brother looked the way he did, but what ever was going on was going on for a while.
I don’t know what the relationship was between my brother and the Huelsenbecks but he was obviously a person that needed taken care of or at least looked after. Obviously non of these things were happening. I’m not a Dr but I’m sure a persons face doesn’t become swollen to nearly unrecognizable condition from falling down, even if it stairs.
For sure an interesting detail that he was mentally disabled. How easy was he bullied or manipulated into saying things that weren’t true by someone else in a position of power over him?
I have info for Steve Ridge
Regarding Jodi. If you can get him
To call me ASAP. I tried very hard to pass on my info and
Nothing happened. No one called for all these years.
Steve Ridge should call me anytime is OK.
My phone number is 334-598-1553.
Or mhrosier@yahoo.com. I will talk to
Him if he is truly interested in a new lead.
Thank you.
Mary Rosier
Daleville, AL
Former Minnesotan!
Have they ever looked into the maintenance worker?
No update in the case, according to a recent story in the Gazette:
https://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/newstrack-no-progress-in-1996-case-of-dead-iowa-baby/
She went missing only a few days before Johnny goesch. I really think their cases are related. For sure.
She went missing well before Johnny Gosch. Two and a half years before.
Praying that the Carr family finally gets answers.
Dallas County – 1987
It doesn’t appear this person had been archived here. Anyone know if the forensic lab was successful in pulling DNA?
https://www.kcci.com/article/john-doe-dallas-county-iowa-unknown-ashes-remain-unidentified/38272246
https://web.archive.org/web/20230608213626/https://redgraveresearch.com/2022/02/25/dallas-county-john-doe-sandie-iowa-1987/
100 agree with Illinois findings, Casey’s on south 22nd in Fort dodge has Billy Davis wearing the clothes that was seen in the woods at fiinny park, as a white man / black man, were seen with a knife a man sitting g in a dark chairing the woods, as a older red white / silver truck that was seen recently at kwik star on 5th Ave awhile, talking to a long black hair female, , couldn’t see who was driving, Ms. Napier as her life is a hotel living, etc.. Cops have turned their badges upside down to the community/ not stopping the drug traffickers. Kathy hepp breaking into Gowrie medical clinic, Billy being tight with the black community. At a young age drugs relation. The retaliation from these people MAKE COLD CASES.
I pray that with the new cold case unit starting up that there is success in solving these cold cases. God’s continue blessing 🙏
This was on KGAN’s news tonight: https://cbs2iowa.com/news/local/iowa-attorney-general-launches-new-cold-case-unit-to-tackle-over-400-unsolved-murders#
I wasn’t sure where to put the link, so I put it here on the Polk County page.
Go read nee gazette article about this new info
Way more details in that article than the family usually shares . Interesting that the Verizon store he was last spotted at was on the other side of town from the ASAC location he was dropped off at. The Verizon store was the 1100 Blairs Ferry Rd. NE location. He would have needed to be traveling with someone and you can see he seems to be entering the Verizon store with another person. What was the business he was handling at Verizon? Who was the person he was traveling with? Where was his last cell phone ping?
I just realized that up until that article things always says he was last spotted on security cameras a US Cellular Building, but it was really a Verizon store.
Link to article:
https://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/missing-from-cedar-rapids-since-2015-we-just-want-someone-to-tell-us-where-he-is/
MikeD, some of the earlier news reports on Josh’s disappearance cited the security cameras at a US Cellular building. That has since been corrected to reflect surveillance video from the Verizon store at 1100 Blairs Ferry Rd NE in Cedar Rapids. Thank you for writing.
Haeeee grandma I love you an I miss you more than you would ever know , I am now 19 an I’m still in disbelief an distress about that day ,I would have never known that , that day was going to be the last day I saw you ! I never knew I was going to lose you so soon hell I didn’t even have in mind you ever leaving me everyday I wonder what life would be like if you was here cause I know good an god darn well I wouldn’t be who I am today I would someone so much better . That day still hunts me down cause I feel I could have saved you I could have ran out the store and held you down till the police came but I was so young and so clueless I didn’t know what to do some days I blame myself because I know I could have saved you but I was an a daze that day I was so lost so confused so hurt lied too everything ! So many people kept telling me it wasn’t you but the entire time it was you ! I knew something was up because you didn’t come in the store right away ! I life hasn’t been the best w/o you man out family is literally fucked up my mom man she drives me crazy an I just ask for you help an your guidance because I literally losing myself day by day I hope you hear me an know that I am so sorry an I should’ve saved you ! I always think your mad at me cause you don’t visit me n my dreams or just let me know your near I think about you all the time an I think about how much we neeed you ! Me an my siblings literally need you the most ! Idk I’m trying to get a good grip on life but this shit is hard after you left grandma it’s been pure hell there’s been happy moments but the bad out do the happy moments n my life I swear ! I really don’t be knowing what to do in life but cry an I’m getting so tired of it I wish I could just bring you back right now today ! Oh god 7 long years of nothing but pain grandma I don’t been through so much an only you would know I done seen things I shouldn’t have seen I done been in things I shouldn’t have been I always wondered when it was gone get better grandpa he’s still holding on I wonder how he dose it but he dose it I feel bad for him every day cause our talk about you ! He just says every time you was his dawg an you really was ! You had his front an he had your back ! I just hope you keep him together he’s all we got an I just ain’t ready for him to leave I just can’t manage life w/o both grandparents I get in here everyday an just wonder when will justice come but it wouldn’t even feel overly good cause we don’t have you back but I guess it’ll be some kinda peace for the family hell it won’t be any for me I want blood but god gots it All I know he do but I’m going to wrap this up I love you more than life its self you was my mother fr ! I just ask that you keep guiding meee an leading me down the path you would have raised me to be on I love you so much an I hope you getting the rest you deserve I wish shit ain’t ever have to be like this but I guess everything happpens for a reason but deep down inside I’ll never understand this one but keep watching over the family we love and miss you more than you would ever know can’t wait to catch up on all the things you know an seen me done lol cause your girl done did slot out here man wish I could go back in time an change a lot of shit cause the knowledge I have known would have definitely been needed for back n the day ! But yeah I love you so much
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Hello, Please look into uncle on Elizabeth’s side.
Just curious, is this the uncle who overdosed with his girlfriend when the girls were still missing?
Has anyone looked into Kenneth C Scholz? He killed my uncle in 1951 when he was 13 and Kenneth was 17 or 18. Kenneth went to jail, got out a few years later and then relocated to Des Moines. His picture matches the composite. He died in Urbandale, IA in 2004
Kenneth Carl Scholz
DOB 4/13/33
From Crete, IL where he killed my Uncle, Billy Rodenburg 1/17/1951.
Some people who are very charismatic who seem normal live right next to parks for a reason. My antisocial (sociopathic) biological father would watch for kids across the street in the local park and wait for the perfect opportunity to use a childhood photo of me to get them to run to a specific location nearby using a non-suspicious, consistent method. The location would have had everything he needed that someone else was responsible for placing in that location—He was opportunistic in that regard. The criminal behavior escalated to violence or something more serious when there was greater opportunity for it. It might not necessarily be the case in that regard that this would be a serial offender as other factors of the profile I’m proposing might indicate to an expert.
Considering this as a similar scenario, the killer could be nearby and the profile given could be a bit off. The antisocial characteristics in this circumstance would be greater. Again, an antisocial opportunist would have identified that this individual had a disability/was naive and vulnerable. The interpersonal skills in this scenario would actually be highly evolved. Trouble “coping” with the murder would look more like “I got away with it.” Check the neighborhood for individuals, an older male, living in the neighborhood. In this case, he might be responsible in day-to-day life, but might have also displayed tendencies reflecting anger or emotional volatility and immaturity. He would have wanted to do what he did. He would have liked it. And he would have liked getting away with it. He might have been a lonely loner, too, but I think the opportunistic aspects have been overlooked in some capacity. I’d check the neighborhood again and look for public opinion to determine the presence of aggression and biased mindsets.
(Medical research, psychology, clinical psychology)
“In 1988, Steven Conlon, with the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation (DCI), profiled the killer and speculated he was a loner who had poor interpersonal relationship skills and had trouble making friends. Conlon theorized that even with antisocial tendencies, the killer had difficulty coping with the murder and probably told someone.“
I heard Krystal brag about killing him drunkenly at the Red Rock in the year or two after it happened. Something about pushing him off a porch and hitting his head on the stairs. Exact details are fuzzy, but I’m certain of the main point. It stood out to me because I didn’t even know her. I think she was dancing on the bar the same night.
Why is Theresa LeAnn Rice-Jackson not listed as a cold case when her remains were found buried in Story county? She grew up in Polk county which is right beside Story county and although I read she moved to Vegas at some point before her death wouldn’t Story county be where she would be listed as a cold case? It appears her case is nowhere to be found.
Wait…. so where are the photos? I might have a first hand witness…
I find it interesting that their is no information on whether anyone else was with him, on this weekend camping trip. Off.coursr, there was no investigation since his death was supposedly accidental.
Also, the second autopsy revealed signs of blunt force trauma. We need to have many old autopsy reviewed under the present standards.
Although, he was a high school dropout, he served in the U.S. Army. I would assume he served in Vietnam, but we have no information of when he entered the Army.
I wonder if his death, may be connected to the family of the girl, who he got pregnant.
The girl he got pregnant is my grandmother, and that last little bit of your comment is absolutely absurd, and you should really not make comments like that about things you know nothing about .
[5](4)[6] Most of this is my opinion in the instance that this was a homicide. Unless it was an accidental drug overdose, this was probably sexually motivated. She made plans with the bartender and had fought with her boyfriend, Tim Gerlieb, on the 3rd. She was 20, underage, and Robert Mootz served her anyway. He offered to share a cab with her back to East Dubuque. She agreed and made plans to do that, but was nowhere to be seen at bar close.
I would ask whether someone overheard Crystal speaking about the fight she had with her boyfriend and whether she mentioned that her friends would be leaving. A predator or predators might think and know at that point that 1) Crystal is emotionally vulnerable or feeling less enthusiastic about her relationship and 2) physically isolated.
I would ask… How drunk were David and Steven Peacock? What had their behavior been like in the past? Did they often frequent bars?
Sometimes, criminal history means nothing and a casual phrase or whisper concealed with a smile is everything. Crystal was a perfect target for a late-night assault that, to predators, might look like a late-night “snack.”
If there is no physical evidence of a scuffle or some sort of fight, then there might have been manipulation and more than one person involved. One would hold Crystal down and the other might sexually assault her. She was only 5’6” and 115 pounds. One might cover her mouth to quiet her and/or even her nose to quiet her completely, increasing the risk of accidental suffocation or perhaps intentionally causing suffocation leading to her death.
There was no evidence of an encounter in any of the vehicles involved, so I’d wonder whether someone told Crystal to meet them somewhere isolated where no one would hear or see what was to take place which would have possibly been a sexual assault. Crystal might have grown inpatient to leave and communicated this to people at which point they would have encouraged her to meet them somewhere or start walking. She might have left, drunk, to begin walking home as so many others I have known personally have done in a drunken state. The lack of footprints and DNA traces lead me to think that this is less likely, but might it be impossible to trace footprints on the sidewalks of such a heavily trafficked area?
It’s a mystery how far Crystal would have gotten had she left the bar of her own accord to walk home. A staged accidental death comes to mind. I think of a bridge, and how it might be impossible to recover a body thrown and weighed down into the Mississippi and hard to determine whether the cause of death was suffocation or death by drowning at that time (e.g., the heart stopped beating before water entered her lungs).
Law enforcement might have seen Crystal walking on camera, though I do not know whether street cameras existed back in 2001.
What we would need to know is what footage they have of Crystal and where they found her and others’ DNA.
I was the owner of the house at the time my son joey went into the burning house to find the boy his mother told my son that he was asleep in his room since we had lived there for years my soon knew wher e the bedroom was he was not there there was a landing where you could go to the right to a bedroom and left to another bedroom and straight into the bathroom the landing was on fire in front of the bathroom door and in the bathroom while his mother was drunk and at the neighbors she said the electricity went out which was a lie in my opinion she did it also my husband burned the rest of the house down so this could not ever happen again
I remember when this happened. I was just in the area today and I wish her case could be solved. Someone knows something about her case.
Lillian Eileen DeMaris’ case has been closed with the Mason City PD and Namus. I have asked Iowa Cold Case to close this or at least update her file.
Unfortunately Lillian Eileen Huff Jackson DeMaris Hunter Daily passed away in 1969 in New Orleans Louisiana.
What about BTK killer? He had a fantasy of abducting a girl from a laundromat..he had a regional job for ADT home security I think? Why hasn’t he been considered?
I wish someone with the authority to look into the case… would actually do, just that … because I too, suspect BTK – as Corrine Perry’s killer…
& Really…unless someone has better evidence than the stuff I’m looking at- prove me wrong.
However BTK- is the guy.
Unfortunately.
100%
DCI needs to figure out if she was burried after they serched the area, and if her remains are heat tempered from a fire. Pretty sure BTK would be the bottom of the list. And that would answer my questions.
Anything is possible, but I wish they would first look into the local sheriff deputy (Jeff Moreland) who later was shown to be a repeat murderer. The local guy makes more sense to me.
I wonder if he had an illness that doesn’t show signs like fever etc. A brain tumor comes to mind and can have such effects on the person as walking out in the middle of winter without shoes and hat. Just an idea.
Hi,I’m alisana and I’m 12 years old. so from what I read , a man walking his dog found her body where other people throw there trash,it said “Just after 8 a.m. the next morning, a local resident walking his dog stumbled across Terri’s partially decomposed body in the wooded vicinity of 33rd and Pavonia Street. She lay in a thicket along an unkempt dirt road, naked except for a pair of white panties down around one ankle and white tube socks pulled slightly off her feet. She had been killed point-blank by a 20-gauge shotgun blast to the face.” as it say they think she was sexually assaulted,well just it saying that they found her with her panties and tubed sock half way off her feet, they are correct.just from reading about the man who drove her ,he was giving me a bad vibe,they found a gun shot in the dash of the car , what they should have done was take the dash apart and find the bullet and 1. see how hot it is, and 2. scan it for DNA . that is all that I got from it , I hope this helps
The judge has found Padgett guilty of first degree murder in Dennis’ death.
https://cbs2iowa.com/news/local/verdict-to-be-read-monday-padgett-trial-cold-case-curtis-padgett-dennis-first-bench-trial-iowa-courts-missing-person-cold-case-erin-pospisil#
I don’t think he has much of a conscious or will say anything, but let’s hope that this results in something as far as the Erin Pospisil case goes.
Formally sentenced today to “life without the possibility of parole”…
https://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/cedar-rapids-man-who-fatally-beat-stabbed-his-friend-was-sentenced-to-life/
Richard Ball has a very lengthy history of violent crimes and is currently in Federal prison for being a pedophile. Unless he was locked up with viable witnesses to him being there, any “alibi” provided to or for him should be questioned.
DeNae, thanks for the update. I assume this is the guy who Johnita was supposed to marry. Not exactly a nice guy according to the news report that was convicted of these bike acts.
It throws him into the mix, as a person of interest in her case. Off course I don’t know his full criminal history, besides his arrest for these crimes.
But, could she have learned of his background and decided to throw him in under the bus and he took offense to it. Plus, his activities put her daughter at risk..
I seem to remember a guy somewhere in the country, who married women, to get close to their kids especially their daughters.
Plus, she was murdered on Christmas Eve, an important day. Plus a busy one for me at my church. I worked 13 masses in four days, at my church, at Christmas.
Well..probably not admissable in court but someone told me that Vince Spidle admitted that he and Gary Bethards had killed Ryan after catching him trying to steal Garys cattle again. Supposedly this was said during a hunting trip shortly before Vince died. And lets face it, Decatur county cops arent smart enough to solve a riddle, much less a murder case. So incompetent its pitiful. I know the twins mom very well, and Nikki would never harm anyone, much less the father of her children.
My heart goes out to the family, especially Tammy and those beautiful girls who were cheated of a father and for what? If theres any truth to this, my guess is justice will never be served. Around here, its nit about what you do, but who you are, and for as long as I remember theres too much money and influence in the last name for them to hold Bethards accountable.
Anonymous, I would like to talk to you.
SEAN ERIC TURNBULL WAS MURDERED IN MARSHALLTOWN, IA ON SEPTEMBER 4, 2019!!! WHERE IS HE ON THIS LIST?? JUSTICE FOR SEAN
Darrow, I already have a file on Sean Turnbull and he will be added to the site very soon. Recent lists from different counties and cities are being compiled as we speak, and there are names we wouldn’t have known about without the cooperation from these law enforcement agencies.
Thanks so much for writing, and Sean will be added shortly. Jody @ ICC
I still do not see him listed. He deserves to be on here. His family deserves a chance to get some answers.
Sebastian Husted’s remains have been found in Missouri:
https://www.kcci.com/article/sebastian-ty-husted-centerville-iowa-teen-found-dead-missouri/60616876
This could only come back to a couple people in town (especially if there is a possible meth/drug connection), and they NEVER work alone.
There is a drug connection. Right on!
There is a drug connection. But who??
I was born and raised in that town, moved away in the early 2000s, and moved back in 2017…gone now, thank goodness we were able to sell our house. The 2 names that have been involved the most heavily in the shady drug life since the 1990s…and have been known to make things happen to people?
Marty Claussen
Joe Potter
Every law enforcement professional is aware of what they do, yet do NOTHING to stop them. Makes one wonder how deep it goes…
JUSTICE WILL NE SERVED IN GODS NAME!!!! this will forever be heavy on my heart. its a nightmare and i will never be ok. Jade you deserved so much more from this life im so sorry the ones who were supposed to protect you, failed you ao miserably. I will never every forget our childhood memories playing and being kids and i will forever cherish that i had you growing up ❤️ I love you Jade You are forever another part of me, as my sister and I will always have u in my thoughts heart and prayers. I cant process this still… No no no this didnt happen Jade is ok this isnt real 💔💔💔
Oh no, was there an update with her case? I’m so, so sorry.
I’m so sorry for commenting 3 times. It looked like it wasn’t going thru.
Oh no, was there an update with her case? I’m so, so sorry.
Has there been an update?
My name is Donald DiMaggio and I own Genetic Genealogy Researchers LLC. Is this case still open and were there any DNA evidence collected? If there were DNA evidence collected can I assume it did not match anyone in state or federal databases?
My company is most interested in using any DNA evidence to attempt identifying the criminal(s) through genetic genealogy research.
Thank you,
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Yes! This case continues to be unsolved.
I wonder what the cops on scene really know, because I think there should’ve been some more investigating down the road a bit further. I’ve always had some theories, I think it’s time to reopen this case and get to the bottom of it!
From what I heard, the cops know who did it but they don’t have enough “evidence” to charge. I bet if it were their child they would be singing a different tune. So unfortunate.
Marianna Is my aunt it’s so sad that still today there is no justice for her. She was only 15 she wasn’t even able to experience life yet because that was taken from her.
If this gentleman was unfortunate enough to have driven into a local body of water. The family should consider hiring one of the diving teams that post their successfull finds on YouTube. These divers have given families much needed closure.
I feel that a Bown family member did this. A male, he is still alive living in marshalltown.
Curtis Padgett’s trial for the murder of Dennis First started today in Linn County. I’m sure Erin’s family is paying attention to it. Let’s hope that if Curtis is found guilty it results in more information or answers for Erin’s family in the future.
I would assume that since his vehicle is also missing, that most likely he and the vehicle are in a body of water in the area. Supposedly there are about 700 cases of missing persons, whose vehicles are missing
Thanks to various dive teams around the country, they are helping close out some of these cases. Vehicles have been found in a number of different t bodies of water, from lakes, rivers, streams, creeks, retention ponds
It would be interesting to determine what route he would have have driven from where he was last seen to his home. Then look for various bodies of water, along the route.
The use of a drone might be useful in flying over the route. Then using side-scanning sonar to look for possible targets.
The lack of any backpack or luggage suggests that he was either robbed, was staying with someone or had a motel room near by. My theory is that this man was likely drinking at a bar somewhere in the area and was being driven in a car by a man, woman or group of people and a disagreement ensued and he was asked to exit the vehicle. This was likely in the winter of 1985 (October to December) as his skeletal remains were found on March 31, 1986. They likely provided him with the blanket he was found with when they asked him to leave the vehicle. He may have tried to knock on the nearest farm house and either no one was home or do to the time of night they did not hear the knock and he sought shelter from the elements in the barn between the bales of hay. He then succumb to the elements and died.
You would think with DNA today there has to be something anything that con be used for JUSTICE
She was a good friend. We always hung out and walked home together. Loved her singing a voice like an angel. In ROTC we push the rules to a point, but we had fun. I was devastated losing what I considered a close friend.
With DNA technology today there should be something
This was on KCRG’s news today:
https://www.kcrg.com/2024/04/03/dna-evidence-identifies-body-found-missouri-1978-missing-iowa-girl/
Happy Birthday Jeannie, don’t know much about you or your story but i hope your safe, heard about your case January of this year and remembered your birthday. I hope to hear about you anytime soon.
Is there any update in the case? I think about her every single day. I was born a year after she disappeared and I’m now older than her at the time she disappeared:(
Just now reading this in March of 2024 – I am a first cousin to Dennis. I’m thankful they feel they have found the rightful guilty party. Prayers of comfort again for his daughter, Lori, and for Christine❤️ 💔.
I’m sure they found the right person. I’m looking forward to the results of the trial, doesn’t it start April 9th? 15 days.
Has Robert Ben Rhoades ever been investigated regarding Bambi’s death?
Kimberly to a good call. But I seem to remember him terrorizing his victims. The sort of M.O. , on the long haul truck driver, appears they pick up a victim at a truck stop, in one state, sexually assaulted them in another state and then dumps them in a third state.
However, Bambi was not sexually assaulted. She was found well groomed, but missing some articles of clothing. Which seems to point in another direction.
Also, according to her brother on Websleuths, Bambi attended the concert with a unidentified girlfriend, who supposedly changed her story several times.
Also Bambi, had a boyfriend. However, he lost his job, and moved with his family to Texas, prior to her disappearance. Which is suspicious, in a way.
Also, a Sherri Ann Jarvis (14), was missing from another state, and was found murdered by strangulation in Texas.
The Cedar Rapids Gazette had an in-depth article about Chaffee’s death:
https://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/cold-case-cedar-rapids-man-killed-in-1983-while-his-toddler-twins-were-alone-upstairs/
This is part of their cold case series.
Thank you Kim. How did you find me to send a message?
Jerry Chaffee
Hi, I don’t think I sent you a message, I just linked the Gazette article here to Dennis’ page. It’s part of a series the Gazette is doing about cold cases in the area. Last month the story was about Fred Coste’s murder in downtown Cedar Rapids in 1959. You might have gotten an alert to my post if you’re signed up to receive new posts or comments on the ICC site.
https://www.facebook.com/Thundernum1?mibextid=ZbWKwL. Re run the dba!!!
How can the police get a warrant for an innocent person, George Smith’s relative, to provide DNA? That seems like a clear violation of the 4th amendment.
Mr. Johnson, the police got a warrant to most likely obtain DNA, of Mr. Smith’s family. They have to submit paperwork to a judge stating why they wanted a search warrant. The basically have to show probable cause for the warrant.
This means they have to supply information that leads them to believe that Mr. Smith was connected to her murder. This information could be in the form of an eyewitness who came forward and said that he or she saw him commit the crime or heard state that he killed her for whatever reason.
It could be that they reviewed the physical evidence recovered and had it reviewed by the crime lab, and they found DNA, and they needed DNA from a family member, to double check it.
Also remember that the application for the warrant is submitted by a states, district attorney to judge who has to review and sees that it meets the standards for a search warrant.
They do this to show that they followed an established protocol in their investigation. They could have gone through the garbage,or asked the family to provide one. But they could refuse to cooperate. So, they go to a judge by filing an application for the search warrant.
It’s an extra step, but it’s nice to go through the extra step of going through the legal process.
IN my opinion, assuming that Dougherty was murdered, the perp must have been particularly COWARDLY for him (or her) to have targeted a defenseless individual with a prosthetic hand.
I knew Roger I was 11 at the time of his disappearance, His brother Gary and I talked many time after and I remember one day the suspect was pointed out to me by Gary . He wasn’t tall and black curly hair slight build. Our family and their family lived 3 blocks from each other. I think of Roger often.
I wash my hands of this filthy world. They will never clean this filthy world. I’m connected to this case somehow. And it is my believed hunch that the murders are unsolved due to it being sanctioned. It just feels that way. I’m alone in this world with nothing and no one and I know the root of all of you myself included and if the future is now? But it’s all in the past? Then time is of the peasants.!! Yours truly, Brian Force
I may be freta bostiks kid. I’m having a hell of a time and I have secret society members and authorities I do different organizations oppressing me terrorizing me and I know it is not solved because it was sanctioned. I know it in my heart. But my heart is stupid alone I. This world with nothing and no one. I wash my hands of this dirty world. Sincerely up yours everyone. It must feel good to be the center of the universe, Brian Force
Some of these need updated. Like Trey Lee. His killer wasn’t charged because he had an immunity deal but the guy admitted he shot him under oath. The prosecutors made a mistake with the forensic evidence and gave the wrong defendant the immunity deal.
Was this in 2009 or 2004? It says 2009 at the top of the page, but reading the case summary, it states 2004.
We are coming up on 10 years since Ryan has been gone and still no answers. Someone knows who the guilty are, we need answers.
We meed justice for Ryan.
(Margaret had 9 kids)How did Margaret have her last kid when she was 40, even tho she killed her husband when she was 32 …….. suspicious. AND she has 20 GRANDCHILDREN THAT’S CRAZY ?!?!?!?!?
The article says she was his wife “of 32 years,” meaning they were married for 32 years at the time he was killed–from 1868 to 1900. She wasn’t 32 at the time of his death.
A reminder another year has gone by with no answers, no real investigation, and no justice. I really hope the new Union County Sherriff will look into the the unsolved cases in his jurisdiction.
I wonder if the Creston News Advertiser
will finally agree to do a story on Ricky’s case now that Kenyon is (basically) out of office…
The Chief of the state Bureau of Criminal Investigation, Tillman Thompson said, “There is no question that this is a murder” in an article published in the Gazette. If that is a correct statement, why does the death certificate indicate the cause of death as “unknown”. Why or how could there be such a discrepancy?
Andrea, at the time, whoever conducted the autopsy most likely could not determine a cause of death, with the medical knowledge and the available forensic tools available, at the time
I am of the mindset that the autopsy results should be reviewed by more experienced medical examiners. Then if necessary, they could recommend that her remains be exhumed, for review by them and a forensic anthropologist. Hopefully, they could determine an exact cause of death.
However, in the minds of law enforcement her death most likely was caused by someone. Since the autopsy states her cause of death is undetermined, they can’t close it out, one way or the other.
I’m not sure what the autopsy report says only the death certificate. It was a doctor that signed it. It’s odd to me that detectives are saying there’s no question and the death certificate says cause of death unknown. It would be interesting to see the autopsy report.
One would think if there’s obvious neck bruising and fractures , there would be more information than cause of death unknown. Wish there was more information available about the state of her body when she was found.
I feel terrible for those who’ve wondered all these years what happened to their loved one.
Andrea, the other issue is that at the time, most communities had a coroner. A good number of these individuals most likely were undertakers and not certified medical examiners.
Again this makes me to think it would be a good idea to have a team of medical examiners to review all these cases where the cause of death going bacK 40 or more years are undetermined.
This would help law enforcement to decide whether her and many others deaths were homicides or a non-criminal deaths.
We have teams of cold case detectives reviewing cold cases. We should have teams of medical examiners to review these cases.
What’s interesting is the Smithsonian Institute in Washington has forensic anthropologist who have been reviewing bodies at the request of many agencies for many years.
Quite often they have found marks and other indications that a person was murdered.
Also, the initial investigators most likely did not have the training that a homicide investigator in many of are major cities did.
I remember two major crimes here in Chicago back in the late 1920’s. The first one was the kidnapping and murder of Bobby Franks. He was the son of a wealthy family in Chicago.
He was found dead in a rail yard on the far southeast side of Chicago, on the Indiana border. At the crime scene Chicago Police Department detectives found a pair of eyeglasses.
The eyeglasses were made by a well known company of Almer & Coe. The detectives got lucky with these glasses, they were a newer model frames. Also only three people had glasses with those frames.
It led to one of two wealthy college educated men. They were arrested and charged with murder. They were defended by Clarence Darrow, who pled them guilty to avoid the death penalty.
The other is the St. Valentines Day Massacre. A Cook County Coroners Jury was impaled. Two wealthy members of the jury brought in a Dr. Goddard. He was a U.S. Army Reserve doctor. But he worked.st a private crime lab.
He reviewed the crime scene of murder of Bugs Moran gang. He said that two Thompson submachine guns were used. One of them had a twenty round straight magazine, and the other with a fifty round drum magazine.
Dr. Goddard is considered the sort Father of Ballistics.
However we now have scientists reviewing the science behind many things that were considered a slam dunk over many years.
It was the ex husband
And also, why the hell are people still talking about this.
Well Dana- This is the Iowa cold case website. This case has not been solved.
“Cause of death” will never be “homicide.”
“Cause of death” could be strangulation, “MANNER of death” could be homicide.
I believe one of his friends killed him. They obviously knew that he just sold his horse and had that money, which was a lot back then. It wasn’t the person he sold the horse to because they would’ve just stole the horse without giving him the money. Then said “friend” made up the story about him going to visit his sister. Of course it was believable because ppl trusted said “friend” word and it bought him some time before they found the body. This is just my opinion.
The newspaper says she was in fair condition, having been shot in the face by her ex, who committed suicide. Also, she lived on 35th, not 25th.
When I search her name in Iowa missing clearinghouse, there’s no match using her name. https://dps.iowa.gov/divisions-iowa-department-public-safety/iowa-division-criminal-investigation/missing-persons
Pali8r, she wouldn’t have been listed there because it wasn’t a missing persons case.
The list of cold cases provided by the Des Moines Police Department shows the crime address as 1300 E. 25th Ct.
This is such a strange case. She’s not listed on uncovered under Iowa unsolved murders and I cant find anything about her under any other unsolved murder cases. I’ll have to check out the DM PD. I hope she truly is alive but it’s proven difficult to find anything on her. I may check out ancestry and see what I can find on there.
I found one of the articles.
It won’t allow me to attach it.
With a middle name like Samsoudina, I surmise that he is from Burkina Faso.
Anon, a good call. The other question, what is his immigration status. I assume he entered the country legally Could his visa expired and he did not want to return to wherever he came from.
So, we should have some answers from ICE. Also, the State Department Office of Diplomatic Security Service, could a resource of information. They are the Secret Service of the State Department. Plus they have regional security officers all over the world.
If anyone has any information please call the authorities. We are coming up on 10 years since my son passed and still nothing….Someone knows something.
They should exhume his body if he was buried and see if they can extract any DNA. Then, they could send it to ancestry and get some familial links, that could very easily close this case if that information is out there.
Agree. This baby had family, someone is responsible for his death.
I agree. That was my first thought. There’s an 8 yo girl that is also listed as being molested/sexually assaulted prior to her death. That one could also use DNA testing.
My uncle my dad brother please someone come forward please
That’s my uncle my dad brother my dad is the only brother left of the jordon please if you know anything please come forward plese.
I know who killed Bill and Kay Wood. I’ve tried numerous times to contact the Indianola police dept and the dci but noone will return my calls. I would like to get this case solved so the family can have some closure. I know if it was my family member I would. I want these criminals off the streets before they do it again. Someone please contact me Brad Greene email brdgreene@gmail.com phone 515-480-5723 call or text.
Contact Patti Shaw immediately her email is ps2467@yahoo.com
I know as well and they have done nothing. I wonder if we are talking the same people? I have spoken with DCI and haven’t heard from them in several years
This case is not closed there is still reward money available thru crime stoppers please notify if you have any information regarding this murder still unsolved, reward money available to who ever comes forward with information.
Still holding on to hopes that her case will be solved as well. My thoughts are with you Alicia. <3
Alisia <3 Spell Correction
Alisia, I’m juggling about four cold case conversations right now and will follow up on Kathleen’s case when finished. Thanks for your patience. Jody @ ICC
Was this ever followed up on or just simply forgotten about not important enough I’m assuming money was just funded to help solve these cases what is going on and why is nothing being done , there is a new Cold Case unit that had money funded to solve cold cases in Iowa this one’s long overdue and they need to be reworked I have her autopsy report it states clearly on there she has bruises and had a bite mark on her lip she was abused by her boyfriend and they just let him go that’s all the evidence that they should need they can see she’s been a physically abused by the autopsy report what else more do you need to know, also sperm found wasn’t tested yet also pubic hairs were clipped I spoke with the coroner’s office regarding everything they got I would like to have a meeting with the detectives handling my mom’s case and you and your office that list this need to address that there is reward money still available and a murder case is never closed there is no statute of limitations it needs reworked this case was never worked word DNA can be retrieved from the spermatosis swabs and the hair clippings from the pubic hairs they got from her to rule her boyfriend out if it wasn’t him however I know it was him, the autopsy stated she had a bite mark on her lip how is she biting her tongue at the same time had a bite mark on the outside of her lip her boyfriend had bitten her lip off in the past before completely off and now at the autopsy report they didn’t realize that there was a bite mark on the outside of her lip she couldn’t possibly be biting her a lip and her tongue at the same time she’s being strangled could she doesn’t make any sense to me.
The roadside memorial cross was apparently removed a few years ago.
Interesting piece in a recent CR Gazette article about this cold case. It echoes a lot of the information contained above plus some recent developments. It’s interesting how they uncovered the daughter living in Columbus, OH to better distinguish the blood evidence for DNA testing.
It sounds like they have a probable suspect but will likely never be officially solved.
https://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/cold-case-daughter-of-finance-manager-slain-in-1959-in-cedar-rapids-still-hopes-for-answers/
How can a dog use an ax?
It’s been confirmed that the remains found in November are those of Brian Burns: https://www.kwwl.com/news/crime-courts/human-remains-found-in-delaware-county-confirmed-to-be-those-of-missing-man-from-2013/article_e143b466-beed-11ee-9af9-d7026daec391.html
I found this on a list on a website called
THE LINEUP. Thought the peach tattoo might be significant
6. Girl with the Peach Tattoo
The body of this murdered woman was found by a hiker in a wooded section of Long Island, New York in 1997. It was missing both arms, both feet and its head. But there was one very identifiable mark: a tattoo on the left breast. It showed a heart-shaped peach with a bite taken out of it and two drops of juice.
Police published a picture of the tattoo and a tattoo artist came forward to say he remembered giving it to a young woman from the New York area. In 2016, investigators linked other skeletal remains found on Long Island to the torso with the peach tatton It is now believed she may have been an es
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victim of the Long Island Serial Killer, also remains unidentified.
the-line-up.com
Looks like a plea deal was made in this case:
https://cbs2iowa.com/news/local/cedar-rapids-man-takes-plea-deal-in-2016-death-of-a-fort-dodge-man#
The parents of the baby have been identified through DNA testing, according to the Iowa DPS website:
https://dps.iowa.gov/parents-identified-1996-newborn-death-investigation
https://dps.iowa.gov/parents-identified-1996-newborn-death-investigation
Maybe all 3 individuals were involved with her to some capacity and she had some type of dirt on them and they got rid of her together and made some type of pact? But hey what do I know I was 11 around the time she disappeared
Bambi was my cousin. Aunt Evelyn dies 5 years ago and her father dies two years ago. There HAS to be some way to solve her murder, With advancements in DNA and other Forensic development the answer IS THERE! Reopen the cold case and star again, Her remaining family has a right to know what happened and that she hasn’t been forgotten on a cold storage shelve.
I wish they would, too. I was at that concert at the Col. Quiet Riot had done album signings earlier that day at the record store at Northpark Mall. It always bugs me that Bambi was there and I wish I’d seen something. It was a small venue.
I would love to get my uncle and my grandfathers cold case reopened. Gary and Mike Anderson. They were murdered in mount pleasant Iowa and the men still walk free today due to lack of evidence due to it happening in the 80s
i think im connected to a cold case in some way. i know that i have been lied to all my life stolen from and i even have a twin that lives in kansas city i have learned. i think i may be a child from the morningside murders i dont know. lots of corruption and big operation nvolved in this travesty. here is my dna let’s get justice!!!
Well what have we found it’s been 7 quite years
It had nothing to do with drugs.
Anyone know if this case has been looked at again with all new DNA technology? I was her friend and lockermate in Jr High. She would come to my house after school sometimes and my mom would take her home. I’ve thought a lot about her over the years. She was such a gentle soul.
BACK 2012 I HAD VISION OF A LAKE OR POND NORTHWEST WITH AN (AEIOU) NAME WAS THAT IN THE REMOTE AREA?
Any new information to this
Linda Mayfield was my best friend when we were kids. I hope they solve this case.
[…] authorities because they “understand” why she did it. This story is based on true events of the 1901 Hossack Murder Case which Glaspell covered as a reporter. A farmer’s wife (Margaret Hossack) was accused of killing […]
Would be nice if the contact information provided was correct for law enforcement. The area codes are wrong they should be 515 not 712 and why is there no update…….cause the case isn’t being worked on.
Jonetta, first I would like to offer my condolences on your brother’s unsolved murder. It gets no easier after waiting eight years for answers; by contrast, each passing year creates more frustration, anger, and mistrust.
Wendel’s case was written a little differently, using actual news pieces in their entirety rather than just references, and some media outlets don’t always put an area code in front of the number to call. That can be confusing for those who don’t live in that particular area. I take responsibility for the incorrect area codes listed at the end, however, and have corrected them as well to reflect 515 instead of 712.
This may not come as any consolation, but just because no updates have publicly been posted does not mean the case isn’t actively being worked. By the time the case is 48 or 72 hours old, LE officials must then contend with other crimes just committed, and try to run out every possible lead before that case starts to go cold, too.
Cities like Fort Dodge have a slightly increased crime rate as compared with those in smaller jurisdictions, but there is always one constant theme. Killers, accomplices and witnesses like to talk. They like to brag in bars after a few drinks. They embellish details never released to the public, and police have them on their radar. (It’s true that in smaller cities “just about everyone in town” knows who did it but fear coming forward.) Agencies often must hold specific details close to the vest.
Please don’t think your brother’s murder is any less important than the others. It isn’t. You also have something else on your side; Larry Hedlund, a former FDPD detective who proudly served 25 years as a well respected Division of Criminal Investigation agent, was added two years ago to the Webster County Attorney’s Office to fill a new investigator position.
Don’t be afraid to call in and request a status update. You might learn something new. I wish you all the very best in seeing your brother’s killer held accountable and brought to justice.
What’s happened to the Hardy family mass murders please? July 1910, on farm 4 miles South East of Melbourne ( the old train station before Melbourne was as big as it is now) where only the son Raymond Hardy survived the dusk killings of his entire family.
I am the last surviving member of my family. I am Eileen’s sister. I am the only one who can describe what we knew about her disappearance. We have been silent too long.
Bob Dill was a violent man. He was abusive to Eileen multiple times. One time he choked her till she passed out. She stayed with me for 3 days because she was so afraid of him. Unfortunately, he was quite good at sweet talking her to come back. He controlled every aspect of her life and was extremely jealous. She started hiding money in case she needed to get away.
When my parents received a call from her friends saying she was missing, I went with my father to file a missing persons report in Des Moines County. We later heard the investigator that did Bob’s polygraph was a good friend of Bob. When my family was finally able to clean out her house, Bob showed up and began harassing us. He wasn’t concerned about Eileen being missing. He only wanted some antiques in her house. We had to call the sheriff to keep him away while we loaded the U-Haul truck. In her house we found wet clothes in the washer and a cake on top of the fridge. Her car was parked out front but her keys and purse were missing. We had to make special arrangements to get the car moved. My parents were so afraid Bob would hurt them that they started locking their house. Something they had never done before. Eileen’s disappearance nearly destroyed their marriage and we all suffered varying degrees of anger, helplessness and grief. After seven years my parents had her proclaimed legally dead. Every time a female body was discovered in the tri-state area, law enforcement would contact them and drag all the pain up again. Eileen’s name is engraved on the back of my parents’ stone. I pray her bones will be discovered so I can lay her to rest with my family before I die.
Eileen made many mistakes in her life. But she loved her daughter Mindy with all her heart and would never have willingly left her with Bob.
I still miss you Nene. 💔
He was in excavation business. He could have placed her in one of the jobs he had been working on. I believe it was Bob. He was the last person that saw her alive. Correct?
I know who did this. I am certain beyond a doubt. I would bet my own life on it. I turned this bastard in 25 ago but made the mistake of going to Chickasaw County sheriff instead of DCI. The ball was completely dropped.
I think it is so sad that Bill Carter will most likely never get official confirmation as to the guilt of his son, Jason. It seems obvious that with competent investigative procedures this case would be closed.
As it stands the guilty party must live with himself and know that his actions will be judged by the Almighty. I wonder if the internal guilt eats away at him.
I have heard Hurky (?) Moore may know something about this murder.
Adding KCRG’s story to the recent update that Brian Burns’ remains may have been found in Delaware County.
https://www.kcrg.com/2023/11/22/human-remains-found-delaware-county/
Thanks so much, Kim. I’ve got KCRG’s update posted. Such a tragic ending for a good man so well-liked by his community.
Thanks, Jody. I hope they’re able to figure out what happened to him. He seemed like a really good guy.
https://cbs2iowa.com/news/local/brian-burns-went-missing-a-decade-ago-now-human-remains-have-been-found-near-his-manchester-home
Remains found Nov 5, 2023; info released to news outlets today (Wed Nov 22, 2023). No official confirmation yet but evidence points to this being him.
My gut tells me this is a possible Larry Hall case.
I’d be interested to know if Iowa has made attempts to discover this.
Also be interested to know if there were any war reenactments
going on in iowa/around the area that time.
Larry Hall would find his victims while he traveled to war reenactments
He was known to target women alone- walking, riding their bikes fold victims clothes as an act of “care” and he was also
A grave digger and would usually bury victims in fields/woods.
Between 1980-1994. I’ve found a couple more from Iowa that fit the profile.
Lmk your thoughts!
Hannah, I’ve never heard of Larry Hall, but if you believe he is a possibility, please email dciinfo@dps.state.ia.us with the information.
Hello my love another year has went by. It is now a few days before my birthday. Thinking about how we would’ve been celebrating. You are so very much missed and I’m hoping one day this will all be solved. This ways on my mind heavy every day I wanted to let you know Yeah David is having a few bumps in the road, but he will get it together. As long as you keep your hands wrapped around him ,your son Darius has moved onto the special forces. You would be super, super proud of that young man at who he become, I really really miss you and love you to death You would so love these beautiful grandchildren. We would be grandparents of seven if he was here which I fully take on by myself, you are truly missed. I really really hope one day I will see you again. forever and always
There was someone else in that house just before the explosions… Cynthia, who was that?
I’m guessing the private investor in South Dakota who thinks it was the same killer as Jodi Huisentruit’s was Jim Feldhaus?
yes, according to this article he thought it was a serial killer who was a Newton native and moved to Arizona. That sounds like John Vancise but he wasnt a serial killer
Yeah, not sure if I would subscribe to JV being a serial killer, but I would be interested in knowing if he had any sort of connection to Bobbi Crawford. Did he or any of his friends or acquaintances ever date her? I guess her son could answer questions about her social life and who she dated in the past. I can’t quite place my finger on it, but I feel like Bobbi and Jodi have some similar facial features.
Wasn’t there a thin connection between Vancise and the Copper Dollar ranch murders? I think it was mentioned in Beth Bednar’s book about Jodi H’s disappearance. Vancise either worked on the ranch or knew the owner at the time/around the time of the killings, something like that.
Yeah, I remember he has some sort of connection to it. If I recall correctly someone said it was a talking point for him to mention being close to it in some way. That whole case and trial got botched, but that’s a whole other topic of conversation.
I don’t think the copper dollar ranch was JV. I think it was a drug connection.
I am a niece of James Bright. Why isn’t he on this list? His nieces and nephews think about him all the time and wish we knew who attacked him.
Let’s pull together to convict her and wake up her husband Lord have mercy on there souls and don’t allow them into heaven palms 23 they are not wanted
She is in the well.
Curious to how you may know this?
Hi. I work with Harrison County Crime Stoppers. Can you email me an information that you might have? ssalter@harrisoncountyiowacrimestoppers.com
How do you know this?
How on earth would your know this and what well!!!
I’m only assuming this but maybe he’s talking about the alleged serial killer that buried bodies in Thurman, IA?
Funny! How do you know she’s in the well? Did you put her there?
I believe you already know whom did each one you just need to find more evidence.
If the Peggy Giddings murder case has not been solved after all, is there someone working on it now? Her family deserves to know who committed this horrible crime. It is just as horrendous now as it was when it happened back in 1970, and someone should be brought to justice even after all these years. Peggy did not deserve to die the way she did. She was not perfect, as none of us are, but she was a very sweet girl who had no guile. She loved her parents, brothers, and new little sister. The heartbreak her parents felt when they came home the night of Peggy’s murder was agonizing. Her dad told my friend and I the next day that the reason they moved out west from their former home near Benson High School was to provide a “safer” place for his family to live. It is unconscionable that this case has not been solved, especially with all the DNA advances in forensics since then. I often think of Peggy, her smile, and beauty, and occasionally visit her grave when I am in Omaha. Rest in Peace dear Peggy…
Paul is my uncle. His car was found in the Mississippi River near the Hawthorne boat ramp around Oct 11/12 as Newt Marine was dredging the river to make it deeper from the current drought we are experiencing. It was caught on the dredging equipment and pulled up and the detective said it was buried under around 7 feet of mud/silt. There were NO remains in the vehicle. Another vehicle was pulled up as well, a 1970 Pontiac GTO. No remains in that one either. At this point we still don’t know where Paul is.
https://cbs2iowa.com/news/local/dubuque-police#
From KGAN website today (Thurs Oct 26, 2023)
I am from Dubuque, Iowa. It was in the news today that Paul’s car was pulled from the Mississippi River on October, 12th!
The car was found 10/12/2023- No remains found in the vehicle.
THONLINE released this today:
A recent dredging operation along the Mississippi River resulted in the retrieval and identification of a vehicle belonging to a Dubuque man who went missing over 30 years ago, police said.
A 1981 Mercury Zephyr belonging to Paul J. Knockel, of Dubuque, was located earlier this month near the Hawthorne Street boat ramp in Dubuque by employees from Newt Marine Service, according to Dubuque Police Department Lt. Brendan Welsh.
Knockel was reported missing on Nov. 25, 1990, after failing to show up at a family gathering and missing work for several days. The location of the vehicle is the first major update in the case since his disappearance.
FYI, Police indicate local dredging company found Pauls vehicle Oct 12, and Police recovered what they could shortly afterwards. No remains were found but the entire vehicle was silted in.
10/26/23 — For Immediate Release
DUBUQUE, Iowa – On October 12th, 2023 the Dubuque Police Department was notified that employees from Newt Marine Services, while conducting dredge operations in the Mississippi River near the Hawthorne Boat Ramp, located a submerged vehicle. This vehicle was pulled from the river and identified as a 1981 Mercury Zephyr. Investigators from the Dubuque Police Department were assisted by Wenzel Towing in recovering the vehicle. During the subsequent investigation and while processing this vehicle, investigators were able to identify it as belonging to Paul Joseph Knockel who had been reported missing in Dubuque on November 25th, 1990. Knockel was 53 at the time he was reported missing by family and his case has remained open since then. No human remains were located while investigators processed this vehicle. Anyone with information about this case is encouraged to contact Investigator Corporal Clark Egdorf at 563-589-4430 or Cegdorf@cityofdubuque.org. Anonymous tips can be submitted online via the Dubuque Police Department’s Official Page: http://www.cityofdubuque.org/209/Police or by calling Dubuque/Jo Daviess Crime Stoppers at (800)747-0117.
They just pulled his car out of the Mississippi river in Dubuque. No human remains were found. The Dubuque PD is continuing to investigate.
Have they ever checked the unclaimed bodies at the police departments
I don’t think anyone cares about this guy or there would be answers to questions like the phone records just saying
It’s not that nobody cares about this guy, it’s that getting phone records that are over 33 years old would be nearly impossible. Phone companies have changed over the years or even gone defunct, so their records have been destroyed. Unless he called his family collect from wherever he was at, there’s likely no record on the family’s end. IIRC, the only numbers to show up on your bill were long-distance numbers that you made as outgoing calls. Incoming calls weren’t likely noted on the bill unless they were collect calls. Technology in 1990 was nothing like it is now and phones back then were probably landlines and not cellphones.
This isn’t like a tv show where a mystery is solved in an hour. Investigations take time and resources are often spread thin. That doesn’t mean people don’t care about Mr. Keller. It’s just that there’s not a lot for investigators to go on for leads. If you read the comments, there’s been some folks who’ve mentioned a few John Does that have been found that kind of match Mr. Keller, but all anyone can do is submit the information to the NAMUS page or Doe Network and hope that it gets investigated.
Thank you for responding. You are absolutely correct. There wasn’t social media documenting his adventures. There weren’t cell phones to check in. He didn’t call home. He showed up on our doorstep between his cross country trips. He was a traveler. A dreamer. A hitchhiker without a plan. It’s not that we don’t care. We’ve been on TV. We’ve been in the paper. We share on social media. We search Namus and the Doe Network. Unfortunately, after 34 years it’s hard to believe that he is still alive and hasn’t returned “home” or been seen by any friends or family. We still hope that one day we will have answers.
this has franklin scandal written all over it
I have found 2 people named Eileen Jaeger (in Dubuque County) that could possibly be her. One died in 2017 and the other in 2022. I have tried to find if these could be her, and I am not sure. Is she possibly still living? Did she change her last name? Does she still live in the area?
Any help is appreciated.
The Iowa Inspection and Appeal’s Office at the end of 2005 released their 25 pages of Citations against the Nurse and Mercy employees who drugged Gary Lack and caused him to fall and hit the area of his colon surgery on 01/13/2004, then after Gary was bleeding internally, Linda used drugs stolen from Ray Powers, after Ray died on the morning of 01/14/2004. Linda refused both Gary and Ray Powers the care they required and instead did not deliver Ray’s prescriptions to Ray, but instead Nurse Linda brought Ray’s prescription drugs to Gary’s home and administered them to Gary who had no prescription for Ray’s DBR gel and other pills. She dabbed the DBR gel in Gary’s throat and he drowned in his own blood.
More than 6 years ago an officer with WPD had commented on this case with me and said they reopened the case with substantial new leads. If I remember correctly there was video surveillance that had been brought to their attention. I’ve never heard anything else about it… I’d have to agree that there isn’t much concern with solving many of these cases, it’s very sad. RIP Lil’ Rod…
None of this points to Ryerson being involved.
I feel that the girlfriend and the brothers who he fought with need to be looked into. The girlfriend insisted he was in the river, which is odd, she was so convinced. Why? Also, it is easy to assume that something further happened with the brothers outside of the bar. Perhaps they threw him off the bridge or simply just into the river. More needs to be looked at and done here. There are people who could clearly be involved that were skimmed over.
My thoughts are the sheriff and the pd in cresco and Howard county are lazy they take everything face value they don’t investigate I know first hand they call murders suicide there u got my opinion and as for cold cases I. Howard county they have a lot of cold cases cause they don’t investigate nothing
Please check unidentified male UP8588 on Namus. Found in Illinois. Photos look very similar except UP had a mustache.
💯 agree,
I seen Billy Davis wearing the same clothes in the woids
If you’ve got all this information on Ryerson being involved with all those murders/missing persons cases, why haven’t you gone to the police? Why haven’t you contacted someone in the DCI and said “Hey, I’ve got a suspect in these cases and here’s how to connect the dots to prove his involvement”?
I just don’t buy that he’s this insanely successful serial killer who has gotten away with a whole list of murders/missing persons cases. From what I’ve read about him in the stories you’ve linked to this site, he seems more like an inept bumbler who MIGHT (emphasis on might) have a fringe connection to a small handful of cases. He seems like the kind to like to brag about his “connections” in order to look like Iowa’s version of Ted Bundy.
All the cases you’ve listed that you claim he is involved in have different MO’s and different victim profiles. There’s different theories behind each one as to why the crime occurred. They’ve happened across a wide range of jurisdictions and it’s a little ludicrous to think that not only the DCI but all those different cops in different jurisdictions are ALL acting in collusion to cover up Ryerson’s alleged involvement in their cases. Even if he’s acting as a drug informant for them, the heinous nature of the crimes would essentially outweight any benefit he could give them, so you’d think they’d arrest him.
Contact Jody on this site, maybe she can help? Or go to the FBI? That’s the only advice I can offer.
In the same general time frame, there were some paper boys that were molested in Edina, Minnesota by a guy named Charles Walter Bathel. He got caught, went away for couple of years, got out and met a man in a bar and murdered him during rough sex. He actually showed up at the police station with the body in the car, saying he’d found him on the side of highway 100. He JUST got out in the last couple of years. Paperboys and Edina is a couple of hours right up 35.
Paul M. Campbell’s body was recovered from the Mississippi River near Muscatine in 2021:
https://www.ourquadcities.com/news/local-news/remains-of-man-missing-since-2020-identified/
https://obituaries.clintonherald.com/obituary/paul-campbell-1083243458
Maybe I missed it. But it was stated a man remembered a license plate #. But I don’t see anything stated what became of it. This crime is so disgusting. Just awful. Killers ramp up. So I believe the perpetrator fantasized about children. Then went on to molesting. Then progressed finally to this awful murder I would bet the perpetrator had a history of sex crimes against children. And like 1 too many. Let out of prison early. It is STILL going on. I’m sure everyone reading this knows. IT HAS TO STOP!!! NOW!!!! The public hets it. Why are the parole boards. The ones in charge NOT getting it?!!!!It has been stated by psychologists, Psychiatrists, They CANNOT BE REFORMED!!! They ate allowing more victims!!! Have them live on YOUR block then. I bet things would change then.
I was wondering the same thing. They said the place who could help with wasn’t open until Monday. Weird that nothing else seems to be said about after that. Another strange thing, the man found in Nevada gave too many eerie right on details for someone who was supposedly in Des Moines during the kidnapping. They also don’t discuss anything that was done with the ones who failed the lie detectors test. So many things seemed to be missed or just moved away from.
At the time, the DMV offices probably did not have a way to access the records until, the next working day. It most likely take an order from the governor or head of the DMV, to get several staff members to dig through paper records. Iowa license plates have the county name where the vehicle is registered to. Don’t know if they did back then.
Also, lie detector results are not admissible in court. Plus, who administered the test. Was he most likely certified to a standard as they would be today.
Also, being strapped to one of those devices might have created a stressful situation for the person being interviewed allegedly. Plus, how many people have been convicted on false confessions.
In Lynbrook, New York in 1986 or so. Three men were convicted in the disappearance, rape and murder of Teresa Fusco, ,(16), in November 1984.
The lead detective basically rewrote the youngest suspect’s confession at least seven times. The suspect was a high school dropout, drug abuser and may have been still high.
In 2003, he and the two others were cleared by DNA. The lead detective ignored and never mentioned about a car was stolen the night she disappeared and later found with a pair of jeans she was wearing in his reports. Also, he got wiretaps on the three claiming her blood was found in a van owned by one of the suspects. However, the crime lab people did not find any blood in the vehicle.
His actions cost Nassau County millions. On top of it, the rope used to strangle her and the jeans, were never tested, in a crime lab. Also, they were conveniently lost or misplaced.
With computers, radios, NCIC and other databases we can find information in minutes versus manually searching through paper records.
Neighbor Berger seems a little off considering they had farmland in the area she was found. Look up obit. for George E. Berger-Arizona Republic Archive. Let me know anyone
Not finding anything about that person in the Arizona Republic Archive.
Just the Sioux City Obit stating he had land in Dakota City.
https://azcentral.newspapers.com/article/sioux-city-journal-obituary-for-george-e/139030670/?locale=en-US
Thank you for link. Not positive it’s the same Earnest Berger though. Going to search
I mean George E.
Hey mom, it’s me again. Little update, Freya was born a month and a half early. She is 8 months old now and today we are taking her to her first pumpkin patch with dad! She is also getting so close to crawling! Wish you were here, you’d absolutely love her. We love and miss you so much mom. Stay close. ❤
I miss my nephew
I’m Praying for justice Leroy.. you should be here STILL 💔 Ur Son miss you bro !
I dont see how all these people are connected.
My Husband Gary and my son Adam were tortured and killed to cover up Proud Boy Republican politicians (Branstad/Kleckner/Grassley/others) on-going Point Source Contamination of 1/2 million Iowans Tap Water or drinking water.
Have they ever looked in the homeless shelters cause he may have stade in one
Brian’s mother has now passed to be reunited with Brian and Arnie. Like Arnie, it’s fortunate that Laura lived long enough to learn who tragically killed her son.
https://www.thegazette.com/obituaries/laura-belle-schappert/
https://www.cedarmemorial.com/Obituary/2023/Sep/Laura-B-Schappert/
I don’t quite understand though. He took a shotgun to the lounge but then was shot with a shotgun? Was he shot with his own gun? Or did the shooter already have a gun and shot John and John’s gun is the one they found?
Just learned about this case today. What a horrible end for such a promising young woman. I tend to believe that Arthur Charles Scott Jr. had something to do with her death.
There was a lot that everyone does not know about. There was family dysfunction and so much more to the story than anyone knows. I have questioned my elders and investigated the entire family for proof of the stories, by each person’s behavior and demeanors, and patterns, as well as consistency in the stories. I know, for a fact, that there are things said that are not true, for my Aunt Mickey’s events, as well as what is. They dysfunctional patterns from Mickey’s life to the patterns of my life are incredibly parallel. I don’t believe Arthur Scott had as much to do with the situation as everyone thinks. Not sure how well he knew my Uncle Ray, Mickey’s brother, but I do know he didn’t murder her.
I just found out about Marlene’s story, through a YouTube video, from “Fascinating Graveyard”, posted yesterday. The more I’ve been reading about this Arthur Charles Scott Jr. person, he sounds like the likeliest suspect. The video is well presented, and very respectful. These old cases fascinate me, especially when they’re solved. And hopefully, this one will be solved as well. And then, this case, which I still find infuriating.
When I was about 17 months old, Dr. Edward C. Branson, of Walter Reed Hospital in Washington, DC, was treating me for my club feet and pigeon toes. He and a friend, T.E. Drach, drove to Jacksonville, FL for a vacation, late May, 1955. Dr. Branson encountered an 18 year old Navy man, Robert Owen Emmett, in a Jacksonville bar, and the two went for a ride. Long story short, after falling asleep/passing out in a Green Cove Springs woods, Dr. apparently made “improper advances” to Emmett, who proceeded to club Dr. to death with a hickory branch, robbed him of his wallet, stole his car, and confessed quickly. He got virtually no punishment, since it was a “g@y panic” murder, which was a thing for years. Robert Emmett died at age 80, Dr. Branson was only 31.
I litteraly heard her tell me with her own voice her two lips they were at a get togather in a back yard got to argueing she hit nhim with a gallon glass alchol container then that’s when she stopped talking and would talk about it to me ever again
Please provide this information to the Fairfield PD. It may help.
Why tied to all these other people?
are all these cases connected to DCI agent Bill Basler?
IMO I don’t think it’s ryerson
Mar 2023 – Paget was in the news for killing a man in 2007.
https://www.kcrg.com/2023/03/02/man-charged-2007-cold-case-connected-cedar-rapids-missing-person-case/
RIP Precious baby. You are too good for this horrible world.
So did he also work at Lowe’s?? Or nearby? What was the motive according to the State? Seems like we are missing key information here.
She was murdered. Hit-and-run hired by gee husband. That’s my theory as my mother dated her nasty husband after she passed away.. . He is a very violent and abusive evil man…. started dating my mother not even a month after his wife passed away.
My son Dayton Matlock was murdered may 15 2021 in waterloo iowa and nothing done or said about him
Sweet grave….
yo thats my father
first id check any waterways on route from albia to avery 2nd id find out what cop stopped harry the 17th to give him ticket seems shady but this case and albia iowa are seeming shady the more i look into it someone has to know something.god will judge them in the end 3rd id interogates the two men who last seen him alive they would be 1 suspect.
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Jerry Goff is my father
Wondering if this has ever been solved?
A friend of my father’s came by our place the night after this happened. Said He knew who it was and had been with them at some point before she was murdered,or right after. I always wondered if He was being truthful.
This was a very close friend of the family. Today is her birthday. Her children are now my siblings. Brianne’s children now all have children. She’d be a grandmother of three. All boys. We miss you Brianne.
It was Felix Baccam, he also participated in the murder of Anthony Anania
Definitely seems capable
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/local/waukee/2023/02/18/waukee-police-department-releases-name-of-victim-in-thursday-murder-suicide/69918643007/
Please elaborate on how Felix was involved with Tony’s murder…
http://www.rave.ca/sp/news_info/126061/all, stick up boy just like his uncles.
Rachel Anne Reuter died. https://www.channel3000.com/obituaries/rachel-anne-reuter/article_30a8e221-b28e-56bb-82c3-effe0b13f8ab.html
Never understood how people could live in the same town With people that murdered your family without some kind of Vigilanti justice smh
It’s was a Hit and my Brother took a Hit and the the plane crashed.
I don’t want to say these things on here.
Lonnie Bell is now residing at the Heritage Specialty Care center in Cedar Rapids 200 Clive Dr SW….was once the Heritage Nursing and Rehab Center…he is well know for his derogatory and racist comments he will call all black person whether employees or residents “N…..” and other names and continually tries to get them fired by telling lies.
He is pure evil and hateful and very vindicative towards anyone.
Lonnie Bell has passed away…
https://www.teahenfuneralhome.com/obituary/lonnie-bell
They should get Tim McKnight’s DNA cross reference it with evidence. He is hiding out west somewhere in Oregon…
X38, it would be nice if you elaborate on why we should get his DNA, in connection with this homicide. The first question would be does he know the victim. Secondly is he from the area. Does he have a criminal record related to what happened to her. Also, has he made any comments that suggests that he was connected to this case.
I am sure the police would appreciate some more details such as his description to include his age, date of birth, height, weight, hair and eye color as a start. Plus answers to the questions, I posed above, as a minimum.
The Cops, facts, Dateline got it right. The fantasies and admissions of Annette Cahill’s were quite Delousional of what & who she was & meant to a bartender. It so Clear she was trying to catch & trap someone for a financial future. She wasn’t at home with her kids, but trying to trap & catch someone who was 7 yrs younger, by often getting drunk & asking for a ride. Realistic Annette was just a convenient side piece and that’s all. Annette’s claims of love was lust, and her claim they were going to go look for bars and start a life!? What a fantasy! Annette is a coward, liar, a murderer. And unfortunately She wasn’t nailed & arrested & jailed 25 years sooner.
I lived in MC in 2006. I can’t remember the guys name…he worked at Best Buy and had a French name.
He lived in the same apartments as Jodi Huisentruet and he knew her. He was obsessed with the story and told me that they would never find her. That she had been thrown into mill. He creeped me out and I never went out with him again. 😬
As I remember he was released. Saw him at a country bonfire party. I believe it was 1975.
Around 1966, I spent three days in the San Francisco Children’s Hospital for a tonsillectomy (yes, that was a three day thing back then). Wilma’s sister Mona was there at the same time. I was totally transfixed by her just sitting there in a wheelchair, just staring off into space most of the time. The nurses told me that she “lived” at the hospital and I tried to talk my parents into adopting her. I never forgot her and was shocked when I heard Wilma’s story on “The Trail Went Cold.” I reached out to Robin Warder about this and he told me that Mona ended up living in a group home in Southern California for her adult life. What a sad story.
It truly is despicable that the Des Moines police claimed that they could do nothing until he had been gone for 48 hours. Too bad the cops involved can’t be named and shamed. Even today certain Des Moines cops lie to people and pretend that the law is something other than what the statutes actually say when doing their job becomes too complex for them. For example, my disabled sister was recently the victim of theft by bailee (among other types of crimes) and despite what the Iowa statutes unambiguously state, the officer involved falsely claimed that it was a civil matter, rather than applying the facts to the lesser-known subsections of the theft statute. Iowa has a far smaller proportion of its citizens incarcerated than does Wisconsin, but having strong ties to both places, it’s clear to me that Iowa simply allows more of its citizens to be victimized without holding the perps accountable. Iowa doesn’t have less crime; it doesn’t have fewer criminals; it doesn’t do a better job with rehabilitation.
Prayers . Better investigation in this field. We suffer enough on these crimes. Bring Jacob from Minnesota
What bar was he leaving when this happened? to many things tying together with a little research about this.
It am frustrated, with the comments by Col. Stuelke, from 2010. Well, the pathologist supposedly could not determine the cause of death, and they are waiting for the right piece of evidence to mysteriously sprout legs and walk in the door. Well, what,have they done to push the envelope to generate tips.such as the one provided by the girl she babysat.
The LAPD, solved a cold case from the 1950’s. They periodically had it reviwee. Then a female detective was assigned to the unit. As the new York kid on the block, she was given the case. She dug and started taking notes and solved the case. Although the offender was deceased, since the 1950’s, as he had committed suicide.
I guess other police departments don’t wait for someone to slip an envelope under the door, or over the transom. Maybe they can call NCIS, who was the first and get some guidance on investigating Cold cases. Since, they kind of established the book on it after getting with authorities.
How about getting a medical examiner to review the autopsy report originally done. I would assume that what wasn’t understood then, should be better known. If that does not help, then exhume the body, and do another autopsy, based on today’s standards. I would ask that a forensic anthropologist be asked to review the initial one and a second one if needed.
Most cold case units start with reviewing the case report. Then they look to see if there was any physical evidence recovered. The forensic tools available are incredible.
So, the county sheriff needs to take the 1st step. If not then the State of Iowa should walk in and take everything. Then they get the credit, and not the county.
Look at the recent arrest of a suspect in Long Island. It involved investigators from a mix of agencies.
My daughter had a dream where Daniel came to her in a dream! I looked up everything she said & it matches this case perfectly! Who do i contact about this???
They should have looked harder at Ed. I still think it was him
The truth is very different than the Government Abduction Coverup’s narrative that we are expertly given by the likes of Noreen and the M.S.M. so much so that the truth is difficult to understand even if told by the abductee.
Suppressed facts.
Ted Gunderson found me in South Texas where I was being used to further the New World Orders agenda and Ted was made to work with the cover up by pointing at another person in Washington DC in order to draw the attention away.
Noreen told the news and it aired locally before the coverup regained control of the narrative.
Noreen and I were used as monarch slaves using trauma based mind control. T started awakening from my enslavement 15 years ago.
I was made to visit Noreen with a 2 person mind control programming team to hypnotically access Noreen in order to manipulate her memories of Ted finding me.
25% of the hundreds of people I’ve spoken with about this in the Des Moines area remember when it was on the local news here.
This is just one of thousands of memories that Adam has become Consciously aware of. We are in the process of integrating my Johnny and Adam personalities as we become aware of each others memories.
The technology used in these secret government programs are advanced and often extremely abusive.
What’s wrong with you? You must have no decency. Mental illness is not an excuse to pretend to be a missing child.
Ignore the evidence and attack the truth speaker’s credibility. A common coverup tactic.
Nonsensical ramblings does not constitute evidence. Kindly leave this forum alone and seek out mental health treatment.
‘ditto’
WILLIAM FULD + AJIUO + ME-LA-S.
Before my Grandfather passed away he couldn’t let go without telling my mom that he knew what happened to her. He said he was afraid to come forward because he didn’t want them to come after him and his family. He said that a local biker gang took her and murdered her and put her in a one of those drums. He didn’t say what they did with the drum.
I think the presence or involvement of a biker gang would have been blaringly obvious and noteworthy to law enforcement and others who were at or around the bar that night.
would you be willing to tell me about what your grandfather said before he passed?
The question is, who benefited the most financially from the alleged abduction?
Who and where were all the major drug dealer and hustlers in town ? No body knows anything ? Come on people, spit it out already ?
After watching the People’s airing of this case, Tammy, why don’t they pursue the genealogy route w that DNA they finally lifted off her clothing? Many murders are solved now by hiring a Genealogist to track a family start then begin narrowing it down. Just a thought. They family deserves closure.
I’m curious why Bob and Bonnie Swanson aren’t on this list. My (step)grandfather was Bonnie’s father. He was also the sheriff of Des Moines county during that time.. Merritt quick. They were murdered in 1969 and it’s never been solved. Me and my grandpa spent a lot of time looking into it, he’s since passed. I’ve just started getting back into it and if anyone knew the couple or anything about the case that might not be public knowledge I’d really appreciate you reaching out to me!
My email address is justiceforswanson@gmail.com please don’t hesitate to email!
This article says they were killed in Missouri.
Robert and his wife was murdered during their honeymoon 1969.
From the newspaper September 1969: MISSING IOWA COUPLE FOUND SLAIN IN WOODS, Jackson, Mo. September 1, The bodies of a missing Iowa newlywed couple were found yesterday in thick woods in southeast Missouri. Authorities said they were murdered and dragged to the spot. James W. Kinder, chief deputy sheriff, identified the victims as Bonnie Quick Swanson, 19, daughter of Sheriff Merritt Quick of Des Moines county, Ia, and her husband Robert Conrad Swanson, 19. Kinder said the couple were en route to New Orleans in late March when they were reported missing by their families. The couple had been married in February and were last seen in Burlington, Ia., about March 20 in their blue and white Oldsmobile which had Iowa license plate number 29-19347. Kinder said Mrs. Swanson had been shot in the right temple and that her husband´s skull had been fractured. There bodies were found by a timber buyer who was checking the woods.
SLAIN COUPLES CAR FOUND AT TRAIN STATION Fort Madison, Ia., september 3. The car in which Bonnie and Robert Swanson, both 19, left for their honeymoon last March was found yesterday at the Santa Fe depot, four days after their bodies has been discovered in the wooded area of southeast Missouri. The slain newlyweds were daughter and son-in-law of Des Moines county Sheriff Merritt Quick. Charley Huck, a reserve Des Moines county officer, was driving to the depot on business when he spotted their abandoned car about 200 yards east of the depot. Local authorities said fishing equipment belonging to Quick, clothing for a man and woman, and a 22-caliber bullet were found in the car, which apparently had been abandoned on the depot parking lot sometimes between May 1 and May 15. The bodies of the newlyweds were discovered Friday in the thick woods four miles north of Oak Ridge, Mo. Mrs. Swanson had been shot in the head and her husband had been beaten about the head, police said. The couple had been killed somewhere else and dragged to the wooded area.
Right.. but it says they were killed and taken to that spot. They were killed in Iowa, I believe Burlington or ft Madison and then they were moved to Missouri. Otherwise the car wouldn’t have just randomly showed up in Iowa at the train depot.
I live in Ft.Mad and recently did some digging. There was a escaped inmate ( the prison is here) during thst time. The prison was not far from the train depot. I have a gut feeling he had something to do with it
Tammy…I don’t understand why you keep professing that Rose was your best friend when I understand that you and Rose had a falling out over a guy and hadn’t spoke to each other for a year or more before she died. Isn’t that true?
Our family ran this motel from 1959 to 1964.
I am the widow of Roger Atkison. I just published my book on his murder. It can be found on Amazon.com. The title: AXED! The 1980 Amana, Iowa, Ax Murders by Marcella Hatcher-Atkison.
Just ordered it.
This looks like Sharla Mcahren. There is only one Sharla Mcahren in the state of Iowa according to data aggregators so she appears to be alive and posting on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100093400122307&mibextid=ZbWKwL
Anon, I attempted to pull up that Facebook page. It seem to show her as having some connection to Scripos Memorial Hospital. However she seems to list Waterloo. Iowa as her home town.
I assume this is the one that is posting to her page. However, there is very little detail on her disappearance. I was looking for something that suggested she worked in the medical field, especially with the reference to a hospital in the Dan Diego metro area.
Do you any further details on her background. I get frustrated that with the limited details on many missing persons cases. In this day and age there should be more details that law enforcement should develop and provide to us who like to help find them.
Also, I don’t have access to Facebook. I had a page on there many years ago, but stopped off. Too many strangers wanted to be friends, but no enemies.
I think this is the missing Sharla Mcahren on fb: https://m.facebook.com/sharla.mcahren.7/
They need to make a new law that in cold cases, the amount of years that they get to just go on with their lives, is automatically tacked on to the sentence, and can’t be plea dealed down.
From to the Cinemaholic Apr 16, 2022 :
“…According to Pilcher’s criminal records, he was in prison till 2017 and served probation till 2020. Since then, Pilcher has preferred to stay below the radar and prefers privacy. However, as things currently stand, it appears as if he is still residing in the state of Iowa.”
The guy is 77 and undoubtably living on social security now and I highly doubt he has accumulated much of that. Personally, I don’t want to pay for his 3 meal and a cot with medical, dental and YMCA lifestyle thrown in for good measure. He will find it MUCH more difficult on the outside unless he is getting assistance.
He is on housing now living free of charge telling everyone the total different story he saying he was in prison for 40 yrs and the case finally got overturned that 40 years was taken from him i.was shocked when I found out the truth
So Sweet .
My Nigga.
He was my husband’s great grandfather.
Maybe if one person does one state asking questions and another person asks in another and talks back and forth to each other Maybe we can find him if we get a lot of people asking questions Maybe it would help to find him that would work too so then you can narrow down the search
I’m slightly confused as there is an upcoming burial for her. I don’t see any arrests or anything to that degree. Did MPD release her remains just now, or is there something that has changed in the case? Prayers to the family. https://www.sandhfuneralservice.com/
Her remains were just finally released and thats why there was a service for her.
Yes they need to do that too ask these places where he could of been at to become famous if was to and ask around for information to find him too
Could she be the Vernon County Jane Doe?
I thought so at one time, but I spoke to the detective working Vernon County Doe and this woman from Iowa was ruled out due to dna. Yes, it’s a striking resemblance.
What’s bizaare, which absolutely no one has explained, is why on a 9-1-1 call, the son, who is not a medical examiner or coroner, puts his mom’s death at 2 hours ago. That right there is so incredibly bizarre that I am surprised that the police didn’t interrogate Jason on it. And why did he call others before calling 9-1-1?? Another thing is that the propensity to start “crying” almost on queue. Also, the female-like screeching that Jason does, such as on the 9-1-1 call. I could understand anger and yelling, but the screeching voice at 3 raised octaves is waaaay over the top, a bit dramatic for a grown man, especially a man who thinks he’s got big enough balls that he can have an extramarital affair.
I have tried to tell people, there are these things in the woods. They are a cross between a dog and a monkey. They are invisible to the naked eye, until you hit them with direct light and the moment it hits them they will move away. I know how crazy it sounds. But someone actually caught one on video recently in England. You can find the video on TMZ.com search Demon Dog.
Act accordingly.
He was shot twice in the head . Contact me if you need to know anything else I am his daughter!
My theory. He saw something upstream. a person, a dog etc,, he went over to investigate and was grabbed. or followed whatever it was..
This sounds like a textbook missing 411 case , David Politis is a investigator who has researched thousands of missing people who just vanished out of thin air. This is definitely a missing 411 case that David investigates
Its david paulides….. and hes a crock of Sht
Any details?
So sad. We pray for Ackerman family today and far into the future. I believe this is a missing 411 case that fits Dave Pilaides profile points. These disappearances cannot be explained and we can only hope and pray these mysterious disappearances will one day be solved, so the pain and suffering will cease. God Bless you All!!!
Anybody know the disposition of the death of one Kenneth J. Krakow ca 1970 or 1980?
He was a class mate it was a sad day. Can’t believe it is still unsolved.
I’m sadden by this…….I’m the step granddaughter of this. I came looking for answers……..not slander.
I’m Jeff’s Youngest sister I think they need to do a DNA test on the towel or washcloth. I was just told two names that are involved in his death.
Have you contacted a detective with the DMPD? I would start raising hell. They should have the evidence right there.
Another name for that style of dress was sizzle dress or sizzler dress. They had a matching brief of the same color and pattern as a dress so it blended in and didn’t show your underwear to the whole United States. My sisters had some and I wore a kid’s version (without the built in bra) in the early ’70s
why is she not on namus?
Normally, it’s up to the investigative agency to enter the missing person into NamUs. However, many law enforcement agencies don’t use it, for whatever reason. A number of states have laws that require law enforcement agencies to enter all missing persons cases into NamUs.
I look at NamUs, as another tool to spread the word that a person is missing. The other issue is that many agencies are not aware of the different websites related to Missing Persons, such as Iowa Cold Cases, The Charley Project, Websleuths and The Doe Network.
Also, the number of people who are into True Cime, Cold Cases and Missing Persons is extremely high. In fact an early PR guy for NamUs, was involved in identifying a young woman found murdered by his then future father’in-law. When the internet came along it helped him figure out who she was.
Also, a number of missing persons cases have been solved by people connected to The Doe Network.
I even found a missing woman to apparently ran away from Camden, New Jersey. I searched her online about five years ago. I came across an entry for her on LinkedIn. Everything seemed to match up. I called the Camden Police and spoke with a female in investigator. She was upset that I did not have the full case report number. Plus, she seemed bothered that I was a complete stranger and had basically did their job.
Also, I almost wanted to tell her to get off her posterior and dig through the records and find the original case,report. I was a former detective with a federal agency, and would gave soebtctge time to dig through are records especially if it was from a previous computer era case file.
I should have offered to fly into Philadelphia, wrote up a follow-up and then borrowed one of their marked cars and driven to where this,young woman was,living and working.
Plus, it would given me a chance to visit my former partner, who lives in Philadelphia. I figured out that they did the work, when the missing woman’s entry on NamUs, was restricted. I did not fetxa thank you from them. Nut a free tour of the USS New Jersey, a retired U.S. Nsvy battleship would have been nice.
Would be amazing to find out who killed my father. Almost 41 years of wondering why someone would do such a thing.
where is her namus profile?
Lillian’s mamus case has been closed. Mason City was supposed to update this site and close her case. After years of searching her family finally has answers. Lillian passed away in 1969 in New Orleans. Her remains are interned in Charity hospital cemetery.
My family isn’t from this town originally but I grew up there. My mom knows the story to a degree and from what she’s heard from locals she knows who probably did it. He’s still alive and still lives in town. I won’t name is name because if I’m wrong it’s a terrible thing to accuse them of. But I think she’s right.
I just checked my records, Shirley Magee disappeared on her way to Harlan High School on July 23, 1973. However. I get frustrated with the number of missing person Cases, with no further details.
I assume that she may have been attending summer school. But this is only a guess. Because of her age, she would still be in grammar school, unless she was going there for something else.
Also, a Kelly Juanita Staples (8), disappeared on January 8, 1980, whilexwalking to school again on the Southeast side of Chicago, about 73rd & Merrill. Again few details.
Then in April 1984, a 10 year old was kidnapped while walking home at noon. The offender was identified as Thomas Sykes (29) at the time. He was also arrested on April 13, 1984, for kidnapping another girl, he abducted on her way to school. He attempted to bring her to a building where he once lived. The landlord denied him entry to the building and she was recovered. At his trial the judge allowed the prosecution to mention the previous kidnapping.
There is another case of Betty Ann Moore (12), who was staying with her foster grandfather’s house in Robbins, Illinois, while her mother was in the hospital. She was last seen at on June 3, 1986, when she went to bed. It was assumed she left the house voluntarily in the morning and went school. However, her naked and beaten body was found in the Calumet-Sag Channel
Her clothes were found alongside her body. Her father had died a,few months before her. She did not interact with other kids. The other interesting part, was that she wrote an fictional murder story for her Englush class, where an adult victim with her name. She supposedly read it in class. It was found in a,photo album.
its simple,fairfield police did not do thier job sufficiently.lots of evidence points directly to the culprit.a little kid could solve this case.shame on you.jefferson county p.d..JUSTICE FOR D.J. NEEDS TO BE GIVEN.
is it me or do we have the worst police in the history of police.if someone didnt even report the situation for two hours and had others come help (clean up) and neighbor saw crystal and other men carrying his body upstairs with blood coming out his ears ,i think the answer is clear.plus there was no clothes found.i think a 5 year old could solve this case.the fairfield police dept. dropped the ball big time on this.i myself have recently contacted the internal affairs and a lawyer to make sure justice is served and the police and crystal knight answer for thier actions.pam and doug deserve better than that and so do we d.j.s family members.i love you d.j. and misss you so much.
I agree with you 100% Sean they botched my daughters investigation up left a lot of evidence untouched never even checked it I’m not real happy with them right now Fairfield police my daughter was the one that was killed and laid on the railroad tracks on Easter
Sadly, no resolution as to why…very sad for his loved ones.
Josh’s mother posted something interesting in the facebook group recently. She said that the detective working on this case is Matt Denlinger, who is the one who worked on the Michelle Martinko case. He recently took cadaver dogs to a Palo, IA property and also drained a septic tank to look through the contents and that it wasn’t the first time this has been done. She mentioned that Denlinger said he is very optimistic about the future of this case. Since she mentioned septic I’m guessing it was rural Palo.
Was this oitside of a bar?
Veronica, I am deeply sorry that your family has suffered so much by trying to do the right thing. I am appalled and saddened to see just how corrupt our system is. I applaud you for continuing the fight and doing what is right. I am glad you keeping bringing attention to this, especially for not giving up. You have lost so much to give up now and let these people win, or let other people suffer. May God bless you and keep you safe.
Sincerely,
Judy
Hello. Just moments ago at the time of me typing this , ( April 25 , 2023) I came across a picture of Kimberly Sue Doss on a random missing persons website . ( It could have been Fandom, but I don’t want to back out of this post to check ) . Whenever I see photos of a young female that might fit the description of Vidor, TX Jane Doe, I stop scrolling and look at their missing dates. I looked at Kim’s age and height and hair and so I searched further and found myself on this Iowas Missing Person page. It’s very eerie to tonland on this page and find out that Kim had ties to Texas . The Vidor, TX Jane Doe’s remains were found on January 1, 1984 not far from Interstate 10. They believed that the person had passed within the three preceding months ,but most likely in December 1983 according to the reports. So If this can help her family , please look into the case of the Vidor, TX Jane Doe.
https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/4574/attachments?nav
Thank you very much, but she has been rule out.
Why doesn’t anyone answer anyone’s questions about this matter
Sorry about repeating myself just didn’t realize you were the same website I commented on earlier in the week
Sorry about repeating what I asked 2 times just didn’t know if you got my questions
So did the police ever check parents phone records to check where he was last at so then you can g from there where he may be at and ask around Florida California New York City just saying you gotta start from where he was last at to find out if anyone has ever seen him since 1990 you gotta check things out
Wow, John Rose did some nice work in his 35 short years. Not too many can say that he actually killed his father and then was killed, presumably, by ex-cons that he looked.
* looked up (his ex-con buddies I meant to say, I hit enter too soon).
I would like to know if the police asked for the parents phone records to see where he last called from to go from there where he might be at cause you could ask people from that last area that he was at if they knew where he was at Did they ever ask around in Florida California and New York City if he was ever even really there plus that would also narrow your search for him
I found an article from 2022 that said they were investigating a man named Algene Vossen for Emma’s murder and for the 1978 murder of Anna Miller. I can’t find any follow-up articles, other than Vossen was declared incompetent to stand trial after he was charged with murdering Mae Herman in Minnesota in 1974. Recent DNA testing found his blood on her sweater. I just thought I’d pass on what I’d found, even though authorities aren’t saying if he was the killer of Anna and Emma.
Read my, 2019 Iowa Supreme Appeal #17-1933 of my case CVCV046761 it is a public record at Iowa’s Supreme Court. Branstad and Kleckner’s on-going Point Source Pollution Plume mapped out by IDNR’s Russ Tell in 2008 has taken out at least 3 public wells for Cedar Falls, at least one for Waterloo and 100’s of private wells in Russ Tell’s mapped out “Plume” in the Cedar Valley Group Aquifers. The State of Iowa and the Iowa DNR continue to cover-up their profiting from their on-going 30-year former Republican governors’ and former Head of Farm Bureau’s profiting from their promoting on-going PFAS Nitrite AG chemical point source contamination of the Tap Water of our “left” side or “Bloom” side of Iowa Source Water our drinking water. Branstad’s 2017 staff attorney C. Smith agreed in 2017 the illegal channeling of 50,000 acres of Flood Water from parts of Worth, Cerro Gordo, and Mitchell Counties Flood water to be illegally drained down the Aquifer Recharge Area Sinkholes in Cedar (W) Township, Mitchell County Iowa’s 1991 Designated National Wetland’s Aquifer Recharge Area (Sinkholes). Branstad’s profits included the damage or costs to 1/2 million Iowans health in at least parts of 8 Iowa counties.
IDNR’s Russ Tell had mapped out the growing on-going contaminated “Plume” in the Cedar Valley Group Aquifers from Mitchell County Iowa’s 1991 Designated National Wetland’s Aquifer Recharge Area in Cedar (W) Township in 2008.
I had always heard “rumors” that the perpetrator was one of her male high school teachers or mentors. So sad! Hope they find him some day, and that he suffers a worse demise!
I was watching today program and was worry why no body try looking firmy camera of Tammy should be exoensive and maybe killer try selling
Has any one looked into the brothers drug store. Could a customer family member have a beff with the family. What was career path. We’re there any connections between the families finical dealings. Did the husband have a lady in the side
Forever holding on to HOPE. ❤️ Missing you a little more today. Happy Birthday Blacky.
It is amazing how no one has mentioned or made a distinction that the victims are surviving families of WW2 and the allied American forces. I mean really Ronald Lee Nowack. The Davis’ , Sanders, Searcy, Meadows, Martin, Olsen, and I can personally tell you I’m relative to maybe %100 of the victims or they have relative or friends names. Murdered Roma murdered Auschwitz survivor name. It never stopped. Even my grandma has a nephew named Donald John Duitsman that got hit by a semi in 1983 in Harris IA. The dates case numbers everything mean something personal to me and my personal history. I think that I should leave my phone number here in case anyone wants to contact me for family tree information. (515)410-5160.
It bothers me that there is no mention of the caliber of the weapon used in his murder. Also, were there any shell cases recovered. If there were shell casings, they could provide a fingerprint and maybe even DNA
My gma said a law enforcement officer from Mapleton was gonna testify who it was he was found shot and dead in in cop car and the way guns were in placed and how he was shot he did not kill himself…
The night she was last seen, I was in the back seat of my dad’s car waiting for my step mom to get off of work at airlight. It sticks in my head very vividly, she usually would walk out the building talking to her step brother or would often wait right out side the doors until he would come out before walking to the parking lot. However she came out and didn’t even look back and quickly shuffled out to her car she was alone when she drove past. Normally a wave to me and my dad but not even a glance that night. Moments after she left her brother rushed out and looked around then came up to the driver’s side window and asked if we seen her come out yet. My dad said yeah why what’s going on. And my dad even tried to start a conversation but Matt walked away looking all around the parking lot even walked towards the building several times but not back inside. Before he jogged to a vehicle that pulled up along the side of the building. There were two men in that vehicle. Not positive if they worked there since they had been parked a little while before everyone else was dismissed. Although my dad was sure that one man was waiting in the car prior to dismissal and the second man got into the car and it pulled off then returned for Matt all within 10-15 minutes of the second guy exiting the building however Kim was already gone. She was the fourth person to exit that night. But no officers seem to have questioned my dad. I was a minor at the time. But it was a strange behavior from Kim and Matt.
I’d look into everyone who has commented on public media with insensitive rude remarks or even comments that seem to mock the incident, poking light onto details of the case ,see if there are connections between those people and suvs as well as living proximities. I wouldn’t put it past a killer who is sick and twisted enough to do this to children, to be some way want to still be connected to them one way or another.
With the nature of the internet this would be a needle in the haystack method of solving the case. Unfortunately anonymity + public forum = insensitive and rude comments. Internet 101.
I am familiar with this case because I was a dance student whose recital was at Hoyt Sherman close to when this happened. I was a junior in high school and moved away from Des Moines during the summer of 1962. Now that I find relatives for family members and adoptees through DNA research, I hope that the Des Moines or state police crime labs can find grant money to pay from analyzing the DNA with an Investigative Genetic Genealogist…I would even help if I could. I have never forgotten this case as it was so horrific that people around the apartment heard her screams and no one took action immediately. I know if there is enough DNA available, the killer will be found. Every day now cold cases are being solved and the group of IGG is growing to fill this need for both victims families and also Jane/John Doe cases. God Bless her family and the cold case investigators who have continued to work this case.
No DNA Or Physical Evidence Connecting Theresa To The Crime That Is Why She Was Aquitted Of The Double Murder…
I Have Always Had My Suspicions That This Was A Murder For Hire
well sweet little man 22 years ago you were brutally robbed and you life stolen from your precious heart my thoughts always turn you this time of year I will never forget that cold cold morning when you gained your angel wings,my heart aches that no one was ever held accountable for your murder you never got the chance to become a young man get married start your adult life you were robbed of that!!!what a sweet little baby you were I knew you would grow up and do good things im so sorry that was stolen from you!!!! I’m also ashamed as tax payer in iowa and union county that they haven’t held anyone accountable and just brushed it under the rug!!!!!you were a human and should have had the chance to live your life!!!!I think of you often and visist your resting place but know you arent there you are flying with the angels!!!!
https://anchor.fm/the-first-24-hours/episodes/Into-the-Darkness-e1o8c6j
I saw this case was covered on an episode of a podcast called Missing In America: The First 24 Hours. In the episode “Into the Darkness” Marc Allen’s brother is interviewed. According to this podcast interview Marc did have a paper route. In this article on Iowa Cold Cases it says reports first said he did have a paper route, but then it was said he didn’t. I understand he wasn’t on his route like the other two boys, but there seems to be a pattern here. This is my educated guess, but the Register really wanted to hide something. It’s been decades now, and the employees from that time might not be around anymore. So there might be some cover ups that are very hard to expose. I know it also could have been a random person who took Marc as well. There’s just so much information we don’t have, and so much time has passed.
I am with you regarding Des Moines Register connection.. Find it also odd that two of the three usually had someone with them? Were they LURED by secret offer of work bonus?
I have tried to reach out to who I can. I feel maybe nothing had been done since I was never contacted for more info/leads. When I first got my info, not too long after this horrific night, I immediately called the police. Still nothing. Less than 6mo ago I gave info to I believe a grand daughter, but no one contacted me still. I’m not sure what’s going on. The mouth I heard it from was supposedly there that night and witnessed/contributed to this crime.
Abbey Eslinger
Contact Melonie, patty, or I, we will take your info and give/ask detectives. And I say ask because we tell them info and give them contact information to contact source, but unfortunately because it is an ope. Case we don’t always get an answer on the tip….but I know we want this solved, we want to have justice for William and Grandma, and we want to be able to bring her home!
Abbey, my email is ps2467@yahoo.com you can contact me there or work phone is 847-777-2647
Padgett was arrested today and charged with Dennis First’s murder:
https://www.kcrg.com/2023/03/01/cedar-rapids-police-make-arrest-2007-cold-case-murder/
There was never much information exposed about this case. DNA or confession may be the only hope to solving this case. The person who did this needs to pay.
29 year’s now still not solved, God please take the wheel and solve this for them since no one cares to do anything else or bother to at least follow up with us the family shouldn’t be our job to do their job to communicate with them they’re the ones that supposed to be reaching out to families that they have not forgotten about my mother or others unsolved!!
Love my mother and pray this is solved before my time comes , I will see her again and then I will know and they will not be coming to heaven because I’ll kick the door shut the devil is waiting for whoever did this to my beautiful mother she wasn’t just nobody she was somebody so let that sink in.
Still holding out hope that the killer will be brought to justice! Although he has to live with it in his head everyday it isn’t enough. Justice for Kathy <3
DAVID, THIS IS ARLAN KICKBUSH . LYMAN BUILT SOME CLOSETS IN OUR HOUSE AND MY DAD GAVE HIM A RIDE HOME TO A HOUSE THAT RALPH MOSER HAD ON YELLOWSTONE RD. I WAS PRETTY YOUNG BUT I REMEMBER DAD HELPING HIM TO THE HOUSE. I LEARNED OF HIS DEATH WHEN I GOT HOME FROM SCHOOL.
Blacky where are youuuu
could she be the Barstow Jane Doe? BJD was a female hispanic head found in a back pack Feb 10, 2010 and TOD was determined to be approx 3 days prior to discovery
WEBSITE UNCOVERED.COM HAS APLACE FOR DONNA SUE DAVIS.
Has it ever occurred to you that some of these shady characters may have reason to try and “claim responsibility” for Jodi’s disappearance? Has happened frequently with other high profile cases.
What about Kia lorez, Indian Joe, Jake Davidson, Thompson’s, Police negligence.And all in connection with Lori Alexander’s homicide??? SOLVED, m, my ass… What about the appeal, not mentioned??? Another appeal, who shot my son Shane Wessels??? And the others who helped kill my son, and never received no charges??? Guilty as shooter. Police need to be investigated here, and I can’t wait until BIRD visits here.
I understand your frustration, with authorities in Fort Dodge in charging others in relation to your son’s death. However.it takes evidence, such as witnesses to come forward, and physical evidence.
These forensics programs such as CSI Las Vegas and Miami, have juries looking for forensic evidence that may not been recoverable, such as maybe trying to match up a mark one body, to a punch thrown or body part grabbed.
Plus the authorities may have certain evidence to support their beliefs. However, the prosecutor has to say yes there is enough to go to trial, or he or she wants more to put before a jury.
The prosecutor has to approve all felony charges, at least here in Illinois. We hear of a number of cases where people were wrongly accused of serious crimes and sentenced to jail for crimes they did not committ.
One of them involves the disappearance, rape and murder of Theresa Fusco. 16. In Lynbrook, New York in the early 1980’s. Three men served almost 20 some years. Then DNA cleared them. However, the DA wantedcto retry one of them, based on his confession.
However, the confession was basically written orxrewritten several times by the lead detective on the case. Also, he got wiretaps on their phones, claiming her blood was found in one of the offenders van. However, no blood was ever found in the van,. Plus he claimed that her hair was found in the van. However, the hairs he claimed were found in the van, had signs of banding. According to forensic experts this banding occurs several hours after death.
It appears the drtective had unfettered access to the crime lab. He also never reported to any other detectives working the case or the states attorney, about a car stolen, when Theresa disappeared. The vehicle was recovered and her pants were found under the front passenger seat. However, another police agency took the evidence found, but never had it processed, andvit disappeared.
There is a whole lot of unsolved murders that are not even listed…I want their families to have closure and these “supposed to be a cop” have taken no time in arrest people who do drugs without a hint of searching for facts but they can’t even be honest with our community that they don’t have the guts to say there is murders that are not listed and it’s awfully funny that they want to help the community then why are they hideing behind their badges and be on the take and labeled everything as drug related and has SNITCHES that are guilty and let them get away with being involved in the murders because of being a SNITCH, I have never seen cops like Fort Dodge cops in any other town…..all I can say is Good Bless to the families that are still suffering
They were probably using drugs and that is why they were cleaning the scene . They did not want anyone to no they was getting messed up with a pregnant woman..
Hey Mathew Ratliff I see you are decently active here and I was wondering if you and your sister are in any way related to the Jim Ratliff who was recently sent to prison for human trafficking and soliciting sex from minors?
Also I believe “BRYCE PETERSON” was involved with the murder of “MOLLIE TIBBITS”, also, Bryce has “co conspirators, Megan Walford Baustian, and Ben Ardvinson” from Brooklyn, Iowa whom Bryce brought from Brooklyn Iowa after meeting her on a dating app, whom I caught in my apartment together, they were having sex, and smoking crack, when I came home to this, they shoved me in my bedroom and held the door closed so I could not get out for sometime, for 2 years they were covertededly in a relationship in my face, hone, bed etc, they are part of what “Bryce calls his perfect circle”, after I caught on Megan Walford Baustian and Ben Ardvinson went back to Brooklyn Iowa thinking they were going to “escape criminal investigation and prosecution”, to this day that’s exactly what is happening even after I have reported a multiple of times to the Iowa City Police Department, Johnson County Attorneys, and the Judges” THIS IS BEYOND CRITICAL AND SERIOUS”!!! I had previously just commented on Kenny Joe Johnsons “murder”, A concerned person!
I have been reporting “Bryce Laurence Peterson”, for the last 2 years now, absolutely NOTHING” My uncle is an “unsolved murder ” in Des Moines Iowa, and when I showed Bryce my uncle’s story, he brought up Kenny Johnson, I had not known about his murder until than, I grew up in Des Moines, Bryce Peterson wanted to take me to his hometown and take me to MAUS PARK, Bryce has an obsession with “males, knives, and strangulation during sex”, Bryce is a “COVERTEDED, MALIGNANT GASLIGHTING PSYCHOTIC SOCIOPATH, WITH BPD, WHO WAS EMOTIONALLY ABUSED BY INCEST, AND WAS SEXUALLY INCESTED BY 1 OR MORE FAMILY MEMBERS “! Bryce will tell you for “no apparent reason” his “adopted mom and dad” Lyle, and Jean Peterson made him leave the house as soon as he graduated from Dubuque High School, Bryce “pulled knives on me multiple times, stuck knives in my neck threatening to kill me, cut up my furniture, physically and sexually abused me with a multitude of people in 2 years and less, he was in jail over a year of the two years”, Bryce is now in PRISON NO ONE WILL INVESTIGATE HIM, FOR Kenny Joe Johnson, his family and all affected, and “All VICTIMS VICTIMIZED BY BRYCE PETERSON AND HIS PERFECT CIRCLE” SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS! Thank You and God bless all of us in Jesus name! SWIFT JUSTICE!
It seems like he definitely fits the profile, but I imagine they need time, place, and something more than convincing hearsay to do something about it.
https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/90738?nav
Another body part was found in Keosauqua, IA (only about an hour from Burlington) from an unidentified male victim in February 2022. Just in case this may be connected.
My thoughts are that it doesn’t take a genius or rocket science to link or connect these murdered to either WW2 or my family from WW2 I mean quite many of them are on my family tree.
Rhonda’s brother Bob attends the same church that I do. It would be really nice for Bob and his family to finally get some closure by finding their loved-one’s killer.
What I find odd is that the B-I-L, Anthony Jackson, has no headstone. Jodi and their two kids share a headstone, but Anthony Sr;s name is nowhere to be found. There’s no separate headstone listed for him anywhere else either. It seems pretty obvious that he’s the one that killed Traci, but sadly hasn’t been proven.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/120117211/jodi-l-jackson
I thought the same thing when I looked at her Find-a-Grave memorial too actually. I suspect you’re right, the family suspects Jackson Sr killed Traci and rightfully is distancing themselves, Jodi, and the children from him.
Too bad, Traci seemed like a lovely young lady robbed of a chance to live her life.
Coincidentally, I grew up a couple of miles from where Traci’s murder occurred.
Harold Kempf cheated justice. He died in 2021.
Has there been any up dates? why don’t we put this on 48hrs or cold case !! we know the truth. What ever happened at the trailer was not good!! Craig was kill by his brother because he wanted to tell the truth!! So Jeff and Kevin got away with murder
Katie, I agree that the members of the Petersen family and Jeff Daly are responsible for the death of Kim. He borrows a car and pesters her to ride with him to pick up another girl for the party. Instead he takes her to a trailer and she ends up dead. He makes no effort to call 911 to get immediate medical attention for her.
Then the authorities sort of hide the fill extent of her injuries, Then they appear not to conduct a full investigation. Then the police identify Kim, as Jeff’s girlfriend. I assume they never interviewed Kim’s family, since they told them the full extent of her injuries.
Then one of the Petersen brothers died after an argument with his brother. Their mother appears to be non-chalant about the death of her son, possibly at the hands of another son, and their possible involvement in the death of of Kim.
These are adults whose actions resulted in the death of a minor, and the authorities take action or hold anyone responsible. I guess the residents of this community are okay with this.
A good lawyer, would look at filing wrongful death lawsuits at Jeff and the Petersens. Then we can get to the truth.
No I have not heard anything.
No updates. Thank you for asking.
Poor guy survived WWII only to have some gutless punk shoot him for nothing.
Most likely became intoxicated the night of new years eve and was abducted. She was last seen out around a large area of apartments so it is possible one of the residents of these apartments at the time might have something to do with it
She’s 7 months pregnant, gets into a fight with her bf & he says she gets out & chooses to walk the rest of the way at 7 months pregnant?
I have a hard time buying this.
I feel like he didn’t want the responsibility & that’s what they were fighting about.
I feel like it gout out of hand & she ended up dead.
Praying this is resolved.
Praying the truth comes out
Praying they are able to find his wife!
Here we are almost to the 12 year mark. I can honestly say I was hoping this would all be over by now. Why we can’t get this case solved is frustrating as hell. Someone knows what happened and who did this…please step up and help get us answers to why…….
Patty,
I just posted a comment. If you’re family, please contact me.
I am bills daughter you can contact me
Praying she is found!
Are these old cold case is still being worked on? I want to help solve a cold case. Is there a place we can find out more information? For example was their DNA put in CODIS? It would be beneficial if some of these cases were opened up to the public to try to solve, especially old cold cases like this.
That is a great idea!
*Jim
Feathers Plucked per say Turkey. SEEMS reveals a HAM per say? More SO than a TURKEY. I had both this year.
Very unfortunate she was beautiful
I do not have any first-hand information about this case, but found my way to this webpage as I grew up in the area.
In reading the case description, one thing I noticed that was unique physically about Ben was that he had been in an accident and sustained a skull fracture. Given the length of time between when he went missing and today, I suspect that Ben is likely deceased, but wondered if his remains may have been found but not properly identified as his. So I went to NamUs.gov and started searching for any unidentified remains that might match his physical description. I did find one record I thought might be worth following up on. Here is the summary of the information with a link:
White male, between 20-50 years old. Estimated height of 5’9. No estimated date of death. Found on December 3, 2012, when a hunter discovered skeletal remains in an area of wooded brush, several yards from any roadway in Sauget, Illinois.
Distinctive Physical Features – The decedent sustained a blunt force head injury resulting in a skull fracture during life. It is likely that medical records and imaging exist for the decedent as a result of this trauma. The decedent also sustained a broken nose during life.
Link: https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/11511?nav
Again, I have no first-hand knowledge of this case, and there is a lot that doesn’t match up here, such as the remains being found in Sauget, Illinois, which is a 4 ½ hour drive from Clinton. The description of clothing and coins found near the remains also doesn’t seem to match what Ben was wearing/had in his possession when he disappeared. However, the injuries to these remains were similar to injuries Ben sustained in life, and while the Iowa Cold Case description does not mention a broken nose, in reviewing his pictures, it appears he sustained a broken nose in the same area depicted in the FBI’s facial approximation image for these remains.
I hope the sharing of this information does not cause any of Ben’s loved ones additional heartache. I am sincerely sorry if it does. However, as several family and friends seem to monitor this page, I figured it was worth sharing on the off chance its a lead that has not already been investigated.
He is still alive, as of last summer and I believe he’s still alive now.
If someone can help me get in contact with someone who might be looking for him, other than the police or anyone in the public sector who would be intimidating. Preferably a person who he’s been close with in the past or someone that has a history in missing persons cases: I would like to meet with you and discuss this further.
My email address is gem.rose2@icloud.com or mkc523@skiff.com.
I have a lot more information about a lot more missing persons and it’s been very difficult to find the right person to talk about this with.
If he’s alive how come his family and friends don’t know about this !?
I was looking at this case on NamUs: https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/11893/details?nav
Adult male skull found in 2013 in Jackson Township, IL. “Forensic Anthropologist from the University of Illinois indicates that the fractures surrounding the left and right maxillae are more extensive than a simple broken nose and would be noticeable in life.” I don’t know if Benjamin had fractures in the area of the scarring, but wondering if anyone has compared to see if it could be a match?
Any new leads or updates on the case just read about it on reddit
Is he even still alive?
Yes, he is still alive. I still find it hard to see him doing this. He was my 6th grade teacher, I’ve known him for most of my life. A lot of people pointing fingers at him without even knowing him.
He is a piece of shit. I hope he gets his ass beat
I am surprised that the information given regarding Ms Christopher now Mrs. Slaughter has not been looked into.
Mr. Knapp, thanks for the information you submitted. However, the names you provided are nice, but law enforcement needs further information on these two individuals. Thus would include a date of birth, also what information that you might know that connects them to the crime. Besides having a criminal history, for this type of crime.
One of the other problems in this case, is that the original murder took place in 1966. Then the letter naming the woman, came in 1976. We don’t know if the original case reports still exist. Also, do they still have any physical evidence, such as fingerprints, shell cases, etc.
Also, a district attorney has to look at the evidence and say yes or no to approving charges.
I am Patty’s first cousin, her father and my mother are brother and sister. I just learned about this today, decided to do some research. Don’t know anything about who is who either. Have never heard any talk of any kind, Patty died in 2014
Maybe some day there will be someone with a decent soul to help solve this case for my Dad and Debbie, god rest their souls. Ray had one Child me and that is it to the person above that does not no what they are talking about.
I’m Larry’s little sister.. I’m still waiting for justice for my brother and cousin’s brutal murders. Please don’t give up.
I think I have information on this. I think that there was a group of people that would frame and murder people from around this town. The Mayberry case is one that is involved. The dewoody case.
Paul sueppel was a police officer at the time. And I think the same group that killed Mayberry and killed dewoody also were involved with this
Why are you suggesting this guy for multiple cases? i.e. Elaine Doris, Roberta Crawford, etc ???
I see…do you have any information on him? I can’t seem to find anything and I’m interested in him in relation to another case.
Is John Wakefield still alive ? And why have they not work to get closure ?
I did some searching and I think he still is. In his 70s and is living in South Dakota. Wish they would reopen this and test those bone fragments with todays technology. It’s very clear what happened here.
You be good to call the State! Iowa has DCI criminal Investigation.
I’d bet they already know about it. I still think a captain had a mental breakdown and killed the girl.
I’ve always had my own theory. People ask how no one woke up? I have always believed. They invited someone they knew over for dinner. Or they were hiding in the attic. Thus the uneaten food. And they had some how drugged everyone in the house. Through their food. Therefore they never woke during the attacks. This happened way before forensic science. So who knows.
but Lena had a defense wound on her arm if they had been drugged then that wouldn’t make sense
1 its a Hassel and quite difficult considering that the killer(s) had poisoned the occupants when there where 6 other children in the house not including the parents who could have walked in at any time.
2 there where no reports of another person in the house also they had just come from a meal at the church they wouldn’t cook a whole meal if no one was going to eat it.
3 in ur theory u also stated “people ask how no one woke up” but you’ve gotta keep in mind they where killed in there beds the lack of friction in the mattresses would have caused it to be almost silent. another point to this is that we know the parents and a few of the children had slept next to each other, if u look hard enough you’ll be able to find evidence that the axes Handel was longer by about5 1/2 inched with how elongated the axe was the killer(s) would have been easily able to reach the axe to the opposite end of the bed crushing the skull of the victim on the left while also causing substantial damage to the victim on the right.
4. following my claim with how long the axe was the person on the left would at least have a concussion and have passed out AT LEAST then the killer(s) could have easily focused on the victim closest to them killed that person and then ended the life of the victim on the left.
If any of the family of Colleen reads this you may want to follow the Donal Studey investigation in Thurman Iowa. Lucy Studey Mckiddy his daughter claims he killed multiple people and was witness to it. One of the people she claims was a 15 year old which is close to Colleen’s age. You may want to follow this case if they are able to excavate and find remains.
Long shot but Donald Studey investigation in Thurman Iowa. Lucy Studey McKiddy claims one of the murdered victims was 15 and Colleen was 14. I just felt like I should mention this in case they find remains. I’ve continuously thought of this girl since I moved to Bedford. In case someone is reading this who’s family you may want to follow that case.
John Hossack an L for this
I lived right around the corner and walked down to Hyvee the same night and time as he went missing. I would have walked down the same block he did. Always wondered if I missed something, If I would have seen something if I was looking around.
Was there an investigation done at the time or during the time she was identified? Cause of death? Any issues in her personal life at the time? Cold cases are solved everyday with news fresh eyes and attention.
Here we are in 2022. Has there been any DNA evidence processed? Even though hard to process but if DNA was not collected at the time, there is an option for exhuming the sweet baby and with advances in ancestral DNA and the popularity it might be worth a chance at finally getting justice for him.
Why would there be a Boy Scout camp-out in February? It’s the second coldest month of the year, on average, in Iowa. Were they actually sleeping in tents outside or would they have been in a building? I find it kind of bizarre to be camping outside in the winter. Most campgrounds in Iowa are closed that time of year.
I found that alarming too but apparently it was the norm.
I never fell in with extra curricular activites so I’m no one to judge.
It does appear strange though that not only was it cold February but they were also playing outdoors AT NIGHT.
That poor family.
This case is frustrating. Mr. Anderson is found injured on November 30, 1987, and dies the next day. There are no details, on how he was injured. I guess he purposely walked real fast into a brick wall, and the medical examiner could not figure out how he died.
So, the police department keeps it a secret to protect the investigation. So But wants the public’s help to them figure out how he was injured. So, I guess providing a few tidbits, such as was he shot, stabbed, beaten, thrown off a tall building.
So, he has been dead over 30 some years and the Davenport Police are still protecting the investigation. Maybe they don’t want the public to know that they mishandled something in the investigation.
Here in Chicago, two girls ages 17cand 13 were found murdered in September 1972, in Washington Park. They were shot with a .32 caliber firearm, also their bodies were positioned in the shape of the letter VEE. Their murder has not been solved, but we know the cause of death and the caliber of firearm used.
I later learned from someone, that the 17 year old girl, worked at the restaurant and motel for truckers. However, the place was owned by a member of the Chicago Mob, who worked for some senior mob leaders in the Bridgeport section of Chicago.
I recently came across a book about unsolved murder in Canaryvill section of Chicago. Canaryville borders Bridgeport. A high school senior was shot in a drive by in the same time frame. The shooting was witnessed and they went to the police. However, the offender was the son of a local mob guy, so he was protected by his dear old dad, and the senior leadership of the Chicago Police Department, and the mayor.
The offender later shot and killed his girlfriend with a .32 caliber firearm. Again he was protected by fear old dad.
But, at least we have some details to work with. So, maybe someday the Davenport Police will admit to some details before a certain place freezes over.
Who exactly reported that she was planning to hitchhike to Iowa City, and also who exactly reported seeing her hitchhiking around 6pm the evening of the 18th? Also, why could the firearm used never be identified? From what I understand 4 rounds were discharged and the caliber or make, model or the gun was never revealed.
Jim
Another “Turkey Day” or “Ham”?
Anything to Add? The DIVERS and probally “Cavers”!
I have been told twice,
that jeffrey bond was the killer via his daughter and friend, Bond died last year. I dont believe anyone jokes about stuff like that.
Happy Heavenly 30th Birthday John Jr….You Have Touched So Many Lives & & Will Always Be Loved ..
Remembering You Today & Always
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God Bless
Thank you LuAnn — as his killer sits in a Wisconsin prison only to be released in July 2024 we can only imagine what madness grows. This person, IMO, is a classic example of a sociopath with no feelings or remorse whatsoever. The most dangerous of the dangerous. The DCI guys commented that, “he’s something” when I asked about the conversations with him. He did try to kill his girlfriend, but got the attempted murder charge dropped. I guess he had threatened to kill her whole family too. Yeah, he’s a real gem. Good luck Wisconsin.
“At the time, Matlock was dressed in a white Denver Broncos ‘Terrell Owens’ jersey, blue jeans and black Nike tennis shoes.”
Terrell Owens never played for the Denver Broncos. This is misleading. I would guess he was wearing a Terrell Davis jersey.
Not a big deal and most likely not enough to make a difference but thought it should be pointed out.
Why have they not done reverse DNA? I heard they had a person of interest and this may have been a murder for hire. She was a good person and did not deserve this.
Could it have been Clark Perry Baldwin the serial killer that was arrested in wloo 2020????
Extreme negligence on the part of police department. I’d sue the hell out of them.
I find it really incredible, that if the local agencies had no one properly trained to process the crime scene. This did not take place in the 1950’s, 60’s or 1970’s, but in 2007.
They should had an agreement, with the DCI, another law enforcement agency, FBI or whoever to someone process the crime scene.
Also, they should have also had the building restricted and posted no entry until the fire department of state fire marshal could certify that it was safe for entry.
The FBI has mobile crime scene teams that are trained, and could have been requested.
Why do you think it’s him?
Sounds like one of DeBardeleben’s crimes. I wonder if he’s been looked into.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_DeBardeleben
I’m sure they have, if I recall his name is all over Dustin Honken trial. Mason City PD has clearly shown us who they suspect with these GPS warrant years ago,.
The murder of Jackie Folkerts in 1999 was committed by Brad Erdahl. DNA from the scene was matched to him and he admitted to killing her. Doesn’t look like anyone else was ever involved in her death.
Billy Pruin’s death is considered an accident by his family, as per their own investigation into it. He was carrying the gun and somehow it went off (theory is he tripped) and killed him. I think his daughters would like people to stop thinking his death was a murder or somehow connected to Jodi Huisentruit’s disappearance.
I think you clearly are off on your own “island” with some of your theories. Billy Pruin very clearly and obviously died in a terrible accident. Haven’t you studied the evidence? And JV is 100% responsible for what happened to Jodi. Look at the timeline. The events leading up to. He lied about her being over at his place the night before. Why do you suppose he did that? Look at the birthday party video. Him picking her up and holding her like she is his in his mind. Classic case of “if I can’t have you no one ever will” by a man with a very aggressive, hair-trigger temper.
I’d like to know what proof there is that Pruin was on the Vansice boat outings. He was never mentioned as being on the trips in any of the documentaries or books or interviews about Jodi’s case.
I also read over Brad Erdahl’s case and there was no mention in any of the articles that were available or even in his appeals that there was a passenger in his car the night he killed Jackie. I think if there’d been someone else with him, he would’ve thrown that person under the bus and said they were the killer.
Angela Johnson and Dustin Honken were the killers of DeGeus, Nicholson, Duncan and her daughters. Again, no other person was mentioned as being involved in those murders besides those two. And they were both cagey enough to have thrown another person under the bus in a hot minute in order to save their own evil skins.
I just don’t think this Ryerson is the criminal mastermind who is behind a bunch of the unsolved cases in northern Iowa. The MO’s are different, the victims are different, the case situations are different. Even the investigating agencies are different, so even if one agency missed evidence in one of the crimes, surely another agency would’ve found evidence in the crime they were investigating. So if he’s behind all of them, why hasn’t there been any evidence to link him to them? If he’s cocky enough to pull off that many crimes, you’d think he’d get sloppy somewhere and leave DNA or trace evidence behind.
Hey do you know why he could be tied to Melissa Jo Olson’s death? Wasnt hers a accidental death?
I believed what my family said at the time and still believe to this day. A Dubuque Police officer committed this crime. It was known as a police restaurant and officers were known to be there at all hours. There is a reason no progress was ever made in this case and the only reason is because an officer was involved. Back then the Dubuque police was known to ” protect the badge ” at all cost. I was raised in that town in an area known then as the “flats” and I can attest to just how crocked the PD was back then. 1 honest cop in the bunch and that was “Pig Smitty”. He had a pigs head belt buckle and a tattoo the said “proud to be a pig” with a pigs head on his forearm.
Mr. Wilmot. I would agree with you, but her murder actually look like a rage killing. It appears someone was upset with her, for whatever reason.
I agree that the crime scene was mishandled, but then that was sort of the way, things were done, back then. How, the crime scene is handled and processed, including taking pictures can provide many answers. It surprises me that she was hidden in a cooler. The other thing, that bugs me is this is a restaurant, yet there is no cook. Did she do everything at this place.
There have been any number of women killed by being stabbed more than the 30 times that Jackie was. A 18-year-woman, was found murdered in New Jersey. She died on blunt force trauma, to both sides of her head. Then she was stabbed 66 times after she was already dead from a skull fracture. This incident took place in 1965.
In Wisconsin another young woman, working late to answer the phones at a manufacturing plant, was stabbed to death over 100 times. Her boyfriend was looked at. However, hexwas basic training and laterxshipped out for Vietnam. He was killed in action.
Plus, the weapon of choice was a pair of scissors, and not a knife. A knife in a restaurant would definitely be a weapon of choice.
You refer to the area called the flats. I assume that is an area from the A & B bar was down towards the river. I am somewhat familiar with Dubuque. Have not been there in a number of years. I remember the single lane toll bridge going to Wisconsin, and the restaurant there.
I have a few questions. They were last seen at an auction in Stuart. It makes me wonder if they purchased something, that someone wanted really badly and was outbid. Maybe it was something they might have sold at that auction.
Then we have their truck stolen and then dumped 200 miles away. Which seem a long way to drive a vehicle and dump it. Also, I wonder what route they may have taken to get from Norwalk, to Kansas City. Such as taking Interstate-35 or U.S. Highway 69. It might be that Kay, body was dumped along the way.
But, why take her along. Was it someone they knew and trusted, and if they truck was seen by driven by a stranger might have attracted attention. But. If she was along for the ride, it would be okay.
Another question is does the auction house, have any clients in Kansa City, that they might send them a flyer about the auction.
These are all good questions that we asked back when this all began. Unfortunately we have little to no information. William’s truck did have on star but what they have found from that we do not know. The dci did go to auction house but no information of what came of that has been shared. We have gotten vague timelines as to when they left the auction (sometime around its ending) when the truck arrived at the apartment complex in Missouri. (Late afternoon early evening) and the fire started around 11 pm…….most of what we have are rumours, and not very many answers or updates from the DCI…..William was shot multiple times, whoever did this to them is still out there. They deserve justice and we the family deserve answers….Thank you all who are helping keep this alive with questions, sharing the story or fliers on Facebook etc. And even for the theories and questions I disagree with! (My grandmother did not do this to William she too is a victim) but I understand speculating and wondering and as upsetting as it is to see that too keeps their story out there. So again Thank You!
My sincere condolences on the loss of your mother Kay and William. I am just learning of this case. Could you please tell me if your uncle Ross Allen has any relation to Richard Matthew Allen? Thank you.
I don’t understand this at all. An ancestry.com test costs a few hundred bucks – why on earth can’t the DNA be run through a database like that? What am I missing?
I am sorry but the testing and the necessary research runs about $5000.00. However, there are organizations that take donations and provide the funds the do the testing
I have come across an individual who has kicked his own money to find the cost of the tests.
id say lets do it regardless of cost. its amazing how much our local and federal government will waste on endless wars and funding ukraine but will not even blink an eye to figure out whose child this was
I have been reading through all of the comments regarding William and Kay Wood. I am the oldest child of Kay. She has six children three live in Iowa and three live in Maine. I live in Maine and I can tell you it is very difficult for us to believe that we still have no information regarding the disappearance of our mother. I see lot of posting regarding William. He was a wonderful man and so good to my mother. They visited me in Maine once a year and would have been making the annual trip after William’s birthday. Although sad William’s family has some closure as they have their father’s body. We have nothing, we have no closure. All we are asking at this time is to find out where our mother is so that we can have some closure. Find her and worry about who did it later. I have started letter writing to Warren County Sheriff Dept. regarding the case as they are handling the case. It is very confusing as to who is doing what sometimes I don’t know if the right hand knows what the left is doing, but I keep hoping that they come up with something. Don’t want this to be a cold case. If you know anything about where to find our mother please, please let someone know
I believe you are right. Although we all would love closure as to who and why. Knowing what happened to To Kay should be top of the list. We both lost the people we loved that night. But we only know what happened to my father and were able to lay him to rest. I’ve never stopped thinking about Kay or wondering if it may be possible to lay her to rest also. We all need answers. Please believe me when I say my heart feels your pain and your loss. This case needs to be re opened.
The couple were Catherine Christopher Slaughter and Rodney Layne Johnson. Both were U of I students.
Thank you for sharing this info, James Knapp. I know the victim’s family.
Krista,
I knew Steve when he lived in New Jersey. He worked for me for a couple of years. He would often talk about his two sisters and his grandmother back in Iowa. I hope they find out what happened to him.
Art Capriotti
I was 4 years old when this happened, and I lived right next door. My mom, who is now deceased, always said she believed that Darleen was buried under the basement floor. She believed this because she said she was awakened in the middle of the night to the sounds of loud banging coming from the corner house. She didn’t remember for sure what the date was, but she felt it coincided with the date that this woman disappeared. My mom and Darleen were neighborly friends and were only a year apart in age. I’m sure my parents were probably interviewed by the police at some point during the investigation due to their bedroom being directly next to the Fitchett home. I sincerely hope that at some point, if her remains are really buried at 717 Franklin, someone will find them so she can have a proper burial…
Ken Whitehead II, thank you for stopping by Mother’s Cold Case site. Mother’s body was not found in the basement during the DMPD dig there. I can only imagine what plans Father had to dispose of her body. Like the “Bog Man” what is left of her will be found someday. Remember to honor Jodi who keeps my Mother in our memory. I must say I am mortified that your Mum and Dad had to hear the disturbing things going on in that house that night.
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Julia Day Torres, As I explained to my high school sweetheart, Mother’s Cold case site is the incorrect forum for anyone to be discussed except Mother and her murder. Respect for Jody and her work is a sacred thing to my Family. My reclusive life is of no interest to you. Please move forward with your life, not back.
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Dear Janette Stutsman! I hope you remember me! [Edited by Admin]
Cindy Haffner, thank you for visiting Mother’s cold case site.I am happy that you are blessed and healthy .Please remember this site is not Facebook. It is a serious work to forward the investigation of the unsolved murder of Darleen Fitchett. Unless you have new information pertaining to this case please don’t post on this site.
I made a comment, and checked spelling twice, yet comment appears with spelling errors! GRRRR!
Common denominators; The boys were paper boys, they all were abducted
In the Des Moines area, they were all the same age group,. Look for what is there that belongs there,Molokai for what belongs there but is missing, look for what is there tha should not be, and ask who stands to gain from the actions taken. Ask who was in the area, and left the area after the crime/s.
Ask who acts “that way” and check if they bought handcuffs, rope, condoms
Maybe the 2 year gap was because the perp was incarcerated or assigned to work out of the area.
Here’s my theories:
-Maybe a lot of kids were sexually attacked, but only a few were killed. Millhouse had other victims, as did other pedophiles from the Des Moines Register, like Frank Sykora and his older brother. Those kids weren’t killed. Other pedophiles in that area had victims who weren’t killed.
-Maybe the sicko that did this gave a sick treat to themselves, and killed a kid every few years on a holiday.
-Maybe there were attempts that we don’t know about. After the last boy, Marc, went missing the kidnappings stopped. This conveniently happened after Millhouse was arrested. There were also other pedophiles in Des Moines busted around that time. However, there were kidnapping attempts until 1989. Then it all stops. I don’t know what happens in 1989 that finally ends it all.
-Maybe the kidnapper moved around to different states and towns. To avoid being caught.
Could the young man be the missing paperboy Johnny Gosch. He bears a resemblance?
He is in the height and weight range, but far from the estimated age rage that they determine based on the bones.
“Sheriff Burt Muir says he thinks the case will be solved quickly.”
“I believe this is going to get solved. How quick I’m not sure, but it’s going to get solved,” the sheriff said.\
Yet still cold case? Wonder what fell through?
There are people who believe I had something to do with Ryan’s death and to be truthful I don’t understand how someone would even mention My name unless that same someone had something to hide.
I also want to include that there once was a female officer of Leon by the name of Blake Kofoid who once told Me something I will never forget. She was in tears when She told Me She believed Me and that She knew I had no part in His death. She stated that there was a female who was not in uniform in decatur County who had the authority to discontinue DCI’s investigation with the case. Something about lack of evidence and I believe some political BS concerning jurisdiction or the length in timing of the investigation. Furthermore I do understand now and am led to have determined and in My own belief that the woman She didn’t know who but the woman She had spoke to Me about is Lisa Jeanes whom is also known as the decatur County district attorney. Lisa Jeanes has a nephew who is named Nick Phelps whom I am led to believe is one individual behind Ryan’s death. I pray that Ryan’s family and others as well as Myself will one day see the justice that is deserved! I wish I knew more that I could say however I must leave that to Ryans family. More specifically His Mother Tammy. I am so sorry that I was not there to help Ryan when He needed it the most and if He is watching I just gotta say that I Love Him like a brother and I will never stop piecing the facts. Fact is Belinda Reed You are guilty of knowing some critical information in regards to this. Also why was Ryan’s FBT never spoken of when found and pulled out the ditch next day on h45 north of leon. Also what about this gun that Ben Grove had spoken of seeing when interacting with either Ryan’s babies momma or Nick Phelps or the two individuals altogether. May We solve this one day and place all corrupt officials on the stand and out of office. Lisa Jeanes You are protecting either Your nephew or You are protecting Your interests. I’m confused because I thought all people had to follow by the same rules and laws which are supposed to be applied to US all but I guess just as Angela Hill gets special treatment from the prosecution so does Lisa Jean’s and all other corrupt officials or non officials working amongst Us with legal authority in the Decatur County iowa and other surrounding areas!!! Try to prove Me wrong and U may just solve this case!
Just watched Accused, I believe the ‘evidence’ doesn’t prove or disprove John. The whole time I was leaning towards the father Bill’s involvement but I don’t think that was clear cut either. I think the whole investigation was conducted with tunnel vision and Ludwick/Ludwig (whatever his name) was embarrassing and proved he never followed up because he went with his own judgement! Not facts! I personally don’t believe Jason committed this crime.
I agree fully. Sadly once tunnel vision becomes the direction of any case the evidence does not take the investigator/s in the right direction. This case may never truly be solved because Ludwig’s tunnel vision meant that many issues were not followed up on and quite possibly evidence was ignored that didn’t fit his theory.
As someone who studied Criminology, I struggle to understand his thinking and his processes. Whether a Cold Case Team could solve this case is something that without all the complete facts is doubtful
So many lives have been ruined completely because of this very sad case. Not only did they loose a wife, mother, daughter, sister etc but false accusations hang over all involved as long as the true culprit is not caught, send to trial and found guilty. My prayer is that the Police finally do their job right and start from scratch with open hearts and minds and follow only the evidence to it rightful conclusion.
So clearly not the father but feel free to point fingers.
Hi Betsy. Wanted to ask if there has been any updates to your Dad? Your Dad had dated my mom. Your Dad was always very sweet towards me. Always had a smile on his face and was so welcoming when I would see him at my moms. I pray there will be a day your family receives resolution for your Dad.
Hey there will be because I will never give up to finding him. So bill jr better know that!! Because we are fighting for Douglas. I have video of of grandpa loyal there and it’s great to hear his voice and see him. Even though I never met him before!! I’m loyal s grand daughter, and I am the one who will solve this case I promise u that!!
This is the newest video on his Youtube account that has had the name changed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H8bUxP5vbw
Anyway, if you go in to 57 seconds, there is a written statement:
“Jesse Nimaja y Abel Efebo unidos por siempre tiene un relacion.” This means Jesse Nimaja and Abel Efebo are united forever and have a relationship.
Seems to me like Jesse might be a child predator.
One of his aliases is “Juan Carlos Simay Nimaja.” The “Simay” is likely “Simaj.” Here is a facebook for someone with that purported name: https://www.facebook.com/juancarlos.simajnimaja
If you save his photo and do a google image search, it’s actually a photo of a Spanish rapper named Porta.
Jeff Gannon is Johnny.. changed his name few times but always keeps the initials the poor soul here thinking he’s Jonny needs help .. noreen has personally met jeff now and they’re keeping that private . You must understand that Jeff is in a very special situation and only those privy to that information know. Noreen and Jeff are in contact and that is all I will say so please respect their privacy and to that man who thinks he’s Johnny . It’s very sad that you are experiencing this . Please get help and for the missing memories in you’re life please don’t add other people’s memories to suit you I’m sure you will find the truth eventually. I’d like to add this even though it’s all very sad , noreen is full welll in the knowledge regarding what happened to Johnny and has some sort of peace of mind now and will not be looking further on the quest to find Johnny as she doesn’t have to now . Make if it what you will but please like we asked leave the family alone and Thankyou fir all of you’re concern over the years .
My memory isn’t great, but I seem to remember a mcdonald ave having a 50313 zip code. If that’s correct, the address would be a north and south street, just north of Euclid.
Soon will be 7 years and still not a lead or nothing while my son was taken just a cold case. With no answer
I am a life long resident of Des Moines. Born and raised. I am not familiar with McDonald Ave. Even when I google it, nothing comes up. Is it possible the street name has changed since this awful murder? Just trying to find out where this took place. I haven’t heard of Frank’s place either but I’m sure it’s a different business now.
McDonald is at the intersection of Dixon and Euclid Ave. McDonald is north of Euclid while Dixon is on the south side of Euclid. If you go north, Franks Place was on the west side of the street on the corner of McDonald and Madison Ave. It has a chain link fence surrounding the building and is now a detail shop I believe. The gun man shot dad from across the street on top of the hill. Dad worked at Ford Implement factory that was at the end of McDonald Ave where it T’s into Aurora Ave. Frank, the owner lived just behind the bar in a brick house at 1707 Madison Ave. Hopefully this helps with you finding the place.
Kat, it seems your information points to the gunman, being in a different location, then what is posted on this forum. So, it could point to someone specifically targeting your father and not for the money and beer stolen.
Also, there is no information on the caliber of firearm identified. That is something missing in the public information on many shootings and murders
Sometimes, the authorities identify the caliber, sometimes they don’t. In one cold case in Chicago, from the early 1970’s, the girls were shot in the head, with a .42ccaliber firearm. In another cold case in Elgin, Illinois, a young girl was taken from her farm home and shot with a small caliber firearm. Which makes me wonder, why that information was withheld.
So, it could be that someone had a grudge, either a fellow employee from where he worked or possibly blamed him for some slight.
We periodically hear of gang bangers shooting someone because he disrespected the shooter. We routinely hear of rap artists who get shot or murdered around the country.
Who wrote this article
See my post on facebook.
Which Norma Black are you on Facebook? Could you help with my finding your post?
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Three person of interest that should be looked at.
#1: Jerry Wintz: Jerry was part of the 5 guys that went to prison for the child sex ring. He was Chatsworth The Reindeer at Merle Hay May and lived at 6114 Rollins Avenue ( 8 minutes from where Johnny was kidnapped ). What interesting about Jerry is if you look at the profile of the Omaha Paperboys the FBI said the killer would be a loner and would take jobs that would interact with children and most likely be a soccer coach or scoutmaster which John J. Joubert was a scout leader. Jerry is involved in the Boy Scouts Sexual Cases. https://boyscoutssexualabuse.com/wp-content/uploads/iv_files/bsa_jerry-d-wintz.pdf. He doesn’t look like the person in the sketch and was 235lbs, but depending on his sex ring he may be involved in some way. Jerry worked at the Iowa State Fair – I find it odd that Johnny left for his paper route without his dad because he was going to go to the Iowa State Fair and Eugene article mentioned the Iowa State Fair – IS there a connection to the Iowa State Fair back in those days like Peony Park’s Sprite Night was in Omaha?
#2: Sam Soda: Sam was the private investigator who involved himself in the case and supposedly told Noreen that an “informant” told they knew when the next paperboy would go missing. Sam ran for City Council in which he was caught in a lie stating he received some war medals. In the article that mentions Sam running for city Council it list his home address as 14th and Emma. Marc Allen went missing from 10th & Emma and Eugene went missing from SW 14th & Highview. Both of these locations are roughly like 5 minutes apart of each other. Sam also lived in Martindale, Iowa at some point would would put him in the Warren County area ( The license plate was warren county ). Sam wewnt to Dowling High School and would be familiar with the location Johnny went missing. Sam also travelled lived in Buffalo, NY and Kansas City and travelled a lot when he worked for Robert Bosch company – It’s mentioned that Sam as a private investigator would drive around at night and possible he may have shown the boys some type of badge to make them feel comfortable in talking with him. Sam was also a Polk County Deputy according in one of the articles and Noreen said Johnny was talking to some type of cop under the bleachers at her other son’s. Sam is also a dead ringer for the sketch that was taken and his family came from Italy that might make him look more latin as the description indicates. Does Noreen seem more crazy in here theories because of Sam’s involvement?
#3: John J. Joubert: The Omaha paperboy killer actually killed an 11 year old boy 14 days before Johnny Gosch went missing in Maine. The thing is in the 14 days there is no real information on the whereabouts of John J. Joubert. He at some point had to report to Bellvue, Nebraska Offuett Air Force Base. John Joubert fits the weight and height of the sketch and in most of his pictures he really looks like three different types of people. John Joubert was driving a tan Nova Sedan which looks similiar to the Ford Fairmont. The main difference with John Joubert is all his victims were found and Johnny has never been discoved and he was arrested before Eugene Martin and Marc Allen went missing.
Wilbur Millhouse would be another potential player, but yellowbag who says he was approached by someone knew who Wilbur was, but did see they guy who approached him with Wilbur at a some type of Des Moines Register event. Wilbur had 2200 peoples names in a book and said he was trying to recruit paperboys. Was Johnny and Eugene’s name in this book?
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26108166/mar-15-1986-reg-man-who-had-been/
Jerry was busted with the other men mentioned in the article. Maybe they look like the sketch?
The man who tried to abduct me in 1982 was driving a Ford Fairmont, not a Chevy Nova. I remember the two rectangular headlights, which was I see online was standard for the Fairmont Futura that came out in 1978. The car was covered with snow, but I remember it as white, or maybe two-tone white and grey. Funny thing–I went out East for college in 1986, and had a girlfriend who drove an old Fairmont. It creeped me out every time I saw her car coming because I remembered the evil dude who tried to get me into that same kind of car four years earlier.
It’s hard to remember a lot of details 40 years after the fact, but I don’t think Joubert would have been old enough to be the man who tried to abduct me. I’m guessing the abductor was at least 25 years old. The thing I remember the most is his orange and blue reflective jacket, and the way he kept looking in his rearview mirror to see if anyone saw him talking to me. He did not look like the photo of Wintz at all, or John Rossi’s sketch of the guy at 42nd and Ashworth the morning Johnny was kidnapped. Dark hair, angry dark eyes, well-trimmed mustache, Caucasian, and accent like he was from somewhere out East.
I actually met Sam Soda through the Faded Out podcast and had lunch with him. Anyone who thinks Sam was involved is barking up the wrong tree. Yes, Sam could brag and tell some stories, but he came across to me as a guy with a big heart. Sam thought the kidnapper was a total lone wolf (if he partnered with anyone someone would have ratted him out for reward).
Yellow Bag,
I’ve been following your story through this post, and I find your story regarding the Gosch disappearance to be the most truthful, and logical.
Are you at liberty to expound on your conversation with Sam Soda?
You have made prior mention to Wilbur Mihouse, and his strange behavior and comments regarding Johnny, do you feel that Milhouse was physically present on the morning of 9/5/1982? If, yes? Did someone assist Milhouse?
Or, do you believe that another party is responsible?
Thank you Yellow Bag for your honesty, and candor.
Dave
Sam talked to criminals, pedophiles, and even Mafia types. He came up with exactly nothing. His final thoughts were that only one man kidnapped Johnny, not a group of men. If it were a group, someone would have talked by now. Sam also believed the man was probably connected with the Des Moines Register.
I do not know if Millhouse was physically present. He was, though, repeatedly claiming to know who took Johnny and why from the day Johnny was kidnapped. Millhouse became angry and visibly agitated every time he talked about Johnny. I have no doubt he was involved, but I have never figured out to what extent. Millhouse probably had dozens of victims (he received a 30 year sentence for sexually abusing 6 teens), and I still think the key to solving Johnny’s disappearance is for one of those victims to reveal the identity of the Fairmont man. Someone who knew Millhouse knows who that man is.
Yellow Bag, don’t you have a photo of the man who tried to get you into his Fairmont?
Yellow Bag, thank you for sharing this valuable piece of information. Did Sam have any thoughts about the Martin and/or Allen abductions? Sam made a comment in an interview that the Gosch and Martin abductions were slightly different. Did he make any comments as to how or why the abductions may have differed? Sam also made mention about how both Martin and Allen were taken within a short radius of Sam’s home.
The victims of Frank Sykora, and his brother James Sykora, might also know something. Those kids would be men in their 50’s and 60’s now. At least some of them must still be alive. All three men worked at the paper. They could have been in the same pedophile circle together.
Have you heard of a man by the name of Raul Saca Ancer? Rumor has it he was the abductor of Eugene Martin.
Yellow Bag, are any of these people the one who tried to kidnap you?
Yellow bag. Are you aware of Ken Newell? He attempted to kidnap a wdm paper boy in 78. Was a scout leader and school janitor. Should have been around 32 years old at the time of your encounter. Dark hair and mustasch.
yellowbag, have you seen the unreleased police sketch in the gosch case? The one you are reffering to is from noreens PI’s.
Although i think whoever took theese paperboys were local, have you seen pictures of Larry Eyler? A serial killer (1982-1983) around Indiana and chicago at the time with 20-30 young male victims.
While searching, I found his name to be associated with an AKA Linn, Allen Snyder that goes by Linn, Allen. The same source showed a current address of 2221 S Indiana Ave., Joplin, MO. since March 2016. It also showed a past address and AKA matching Snyder, Linn Allen – 21950 Green Valley Ave., Council Bluffs, IA.
Associated persons listed on the site (also listing Linn’s former Council Bluffs address) were a Snyder, Jimmie Wayne and Snyder, Amy Neomi (married) belonging to the same address 2221 S Indiana Ave., Joplin, MO. since 2008, which I verified on the Jasper County Missouri Beacon site.
I completed a search of Snyder, Amy N on Spokeo which returned to a female in her 70s living in Joplin, MO. Under the “Family Members” section read “Amy resides in a single family home in Joplin, Missouri with Jimmie.” as well as “Amy and Linn Snyder reside together in a single family home in Joplin, Missouri.”
I guess I don’t know the source is just associating Linn with the address in Missouri, but I found it odd that Jimmie and Amy belonged to the address starting in 2008, while Linn starting in 2016 – and maybe something to look further into.
Thanks for obtaining that info. I know people from that Green Valley Avenue area. I’ll inquire if they knew Linn.
This case always intrigued me. So much missing information as if he were a loner. 280 lbs is a big guy to take down so I gotta wonder if he and that bike were lured somewhere.
I love that the police department could not take the time to provide us the public.on how Mr. Wright was murdered. I assume an autopsy was conducted by a coroner or medical examiner. The cause of death. should at least be provided to back up their claim, that he was murdered. I guess it wasn’t important.
Recently county authorities in Pennsylvania, are reinvestigating the death of a young women. She was found stabbed to death, and it was determined that she committed suicide although she was stabbed in the back and her neck.
Authorities did not find any signs of forced entry, so she stabbed herself to death. I guess it was not worth it to determine that she might have let her killer into her residence, possibly someone she knew.
The gun used to kill Stump maybe in kensett Iowa now
Has anyone ever looked into Reza Kargarzadeh? He is a wealthy business man in West Des Moines with a private jet. He has plastic manufacturing plants throughout the country and family ties to Colorado. He looks like the suspect composite.
If he is that wealthy, he probably would not have been driving a cheap Ford Fairmont.
He wasn’t wealthy only middle class the year Johnny was abducted. In Persian and Afgan culture it is common for a thing called boy play where its a status symbol to have boys for sex slaves and pleasure. “Straight” men do this as part of the Islamic culture all the time and as disgusting as it is even the women accept it.
I know that he has been involved in lots of illegal activity including recording sex tapes to pass around. He is known for providing favors, jobs, etc. He is a master at grooming young moms with children. The locations of his plastic plants should be aligned with other cases as he is known to frequently travel using a private jet to his business location where I am sure he does other activities.
Here are the locations of his manufacturing. Interestingly one is in Mexico. He has family ties in Colorado, California and Florida. He has also been known to travel internationally to places like Iran.
EPC plastic manufacturing is the name of the business. EPC, Inc. plants span across the following US locations:
Alabama: Bessemer and Leeds
Indiana: Scottsburg
Iowa: Corporate Office, Grinnell and Kalona
Kentucky: Lebanon
Mexico: Reynosa
Michigan: Saint Clair (Christian Haas Dr. and Range Rd.)
Missouri: Columbia North Carolina: Siler City
Ohio: Bellevue and Lebanon
South Carolina: Anderson
Wisconsin: East Troy and Osceola
As well as our Mexico location: Reynosa
Has anyone ever looked into Reza Kargarzadeh? Is is a wealthy business man in West Des Moines known to be above the law and excellent at grooming women with children. He looks like the photo and fits the description only he is not latin but Persian.
He has a private jet with manufacturing plants all over the country. He has signifcant family ties to Colorado. Strangely although in different neighborhoods (still very close by) he lives on the same street as Johnny Gosch. I have more information that I would love to share but it would reveal my identity.
He is no doubt in operation with human trafficking even if he is not part of this abduction. I have more details but I cannot share here or would reveal my identity.
Justice- is there any way you can provide more detail as to how you know these things without revealing your identity? Have you had an encounter with him before?
He mi brother and I’m going to find who kill u I love u bro always
I want u to be able to rest in peace
I miss u so much it hurts to mi soul
Your sis Georgia
I have so many questions. The only reason I came upon this was because u googled unsolved murders in Appanoose County. It brought up this woman and the Deteach man murdered at his home. I don’t know how often this page is updated but there is nothing about the Ty Husted case. And I find it very disturbing is agencies say she’ll never be found, she’s either in a well or buried in Missouri…very odd, a friend of mine said someone had said the same thing about Ty. I find it absurd that Appanoose County law enforcement has so many cop cars sitting in their parking lot but do not have funds to even attempt to find missing people, whuch don’t mind the new jail being built here. I understand with Crystal happened in Wayne County but counties don’t work together nor was the Ty case ever brought to public attention. I feel Appanoose County should shift their focus on important matters other than “drug busts” that never change. Same people in and out of jail. But what do I know….
If these departments don’t have the resources, then the Iowa DCI should take it over. They have the resources to work this case.
I am sure like most cases if if was one of their own it would have been solved by now, just saying,
I searched Sebastian Husted’s case again. One thing that bothers me is that he disappeared from a hog farm, where he had been working for a few weeks. I assume this hog farm has a formal name, unless it’s a unauthorized farm.
Also, I assume that Sebastian was an employee of this hog farm.
So, it bothers me, that they should have been concerned about one of their employees who disappeared.
Yet, we hear nothing from them. Their should be some comment from them, showing their concern, oroffering a reward. This sort of makes me wonder, about some suspicious activity going on there.
Also, could he been seriously injured, and did not want OSHA, coming in and finding out they violated federal safety regulations. In my time enforcing federal pollution regulations with the U.S. Coast Guard, many facilities had issues with OSHA inspector’s, who assume you are guilty, and not innocent until proven innocent.
Also, his brother gets some text’s supposedly from Sebastian. The text’s asked him to come and get him. Yet, his family has no clue where he is working at. Also, the text’s seem to claim that his co-worker, also unidentified is supposedly getting aggressive. I wonder if this text was actually sent by him. Yet, his family is unaware of any previous problems with any co-workers.
There is no explanation of what the co-worker was doing. Also, pictures of Sebastian mention his tattoos, which gave me the impression that he was a gang banger. Which might explain his disappearance, as revenge for possibly leaving the gang, or his refusal to do something illegal.
I have new recovered memeries involving this satanic political cult manipulating this web site to delete my testimony from this web site about 5 to 10 years ago I had put several post on this site that contained most of the results of my investagation at that time. Shortly thereafter
Mdybe 5 to 10 years ago all my post on this site were caused to be removed by the satanic political cult. I assume Jody Ewing would have a record of this. And be a honest witness. She has not responded to my email. Can somebody find when why how and what evedince was retained to prove this act of the cover-up?
My mistake, they were not deleted but are under the Johnny Gosch photos.
This recovered memory still needs corroborated. It’s a memory of me being subjected to one of programming hypnotism sections , always by force and unable to remember afterwards, where the perpitrators were trying to sirpress my testimony. There was a phone call made to this website and the conversation involved the removal of the post. The person s[oken to was a lady IDK who and they s[oke to me briefly and to the lead programmer who was working for the CIA. He spoke for some time explaining other actions he wou;d take to have the post removed. This memory is most likely not fully emerged and has other memory fragments that will further emerge. I do not try and force them but each time I think of them there’s a chance that they have expanded where others disassociated memory fragments have reconnected to there original memory. I have decided to include this to help the reader have a better understand of how my memories have been e, erhing these past 14 years and how I have always tried to be open about them. My memory of this conversation between this web site and the perpitrrater still needs to be looked into. And should demonstrate the danger that me continuing to be outspoken about this is effecting me and how my creditabilty is damaged each time they make me forget or attempt to alter mine or Noreen’s memories.
Johnny; it was 40 years ago yesterday that you disappeared. You have not been forgotten.
I am glad they keep these cases open. They identified the guy that was found in lake Meade. I bought A small farm near tiffin thirty years ago. After buying it I bought a bulldozer. The guy I bought the farm from said not dig any holes on the place. He told me he buried some farm machinery. Then a a few years later I told him I was going to dig up that junk and haul it to the wilton shredder. He told me something’s are best left buried. . I often wondered what was really buried there. I know he had a barrel of agent orange and figur Ed maybe it was something like that. Then an elderly neighbor told me that whole place was buried with construction waste. I notified the DNR that the place may have toxic wastes buried on it. Never heard anything back. Then due to a chain of unfortunate circumstances including major illness I lost my little farm. Somebody should follow up on this. Lewis Cassill the address of the place is 4018 Ivy Ave SW Oxford Iowa. The burial of this stuff was in the seventies and eighties
There was a new house just built (according to Assessor website) in 2023 https://beacon.schneidercorp.com/Application.aspx?AppID=86&LayerID=841&PageTypeID=4&PageID=572&Q=1104603598&KeyValue=1121227001
The Government Cover-up narritive is primarily promoted by members of “THIS” Satanic political cult. Most members are NOT consciously aware that they are in the cult, like Noreen and most of our related families. The people I refer to as perpitrators are the conscious member who starting at about puberty consciously aware they are in the cult and are further trained to become monarch programmers in a 30 year menter protosai relationship who work in together. They drug and hypnotis us monarchs to control our actions. They alter our memories and place post hyp otic suggestion that we have been further programed using trauma, to create amnesic barriers and binding that I’ve been told changes a [pst hypnotic suggestion I to a personality traits. The government uses monarchs as school shooter and many other thing. They are used by most of the large organization to gather Intelligence because thier memries can be downloaded easily and they can’t keep secrets from thier handlers. This is a widely known secret and is vibable in the midea around us. TV Programming edigecational programming monarch programming that was even tattooed on many of is children which is the rocking X tattoo, which is the image on the top side of a monarch butterfly’s wings.
The act of awakening is directly tied to this.
It is the power of the human mind to believe something just because it was told to them. And the human ability to not consciously process our decision before taking action. That makes this technology so dangerous. And therefore valuable to the leadership and power.
This technology is information based and it is access to this information that can trigger the awakening process to begain in somebody . Even just by reading what I just wrote. This more complex than just this but it is the ba of the hidden knowledge that is house at the Vatican. And many old books. Spells = hypnotism & pottions = drugs the government’s have just taken this to the point where they want a NWO. It is this underling features of the control system that is being changed now. Earth entering the information age triggered the great awakening cause the masses to awaken fast than TPTB can do the maintenance on thier amnesic barrier’s allowing people to awaken from a state of sleep similar to an mild hypnotic trance that further allow control of people subconscious.
I am no expert but I nut know how it has effected me. My research is in complete and I’m about 80% correct so don’t through it out just because you find a mistake, this is just the nature of Satanic Ritual Abuse. I have tried to be completely honest and why I have chosen to not candy coat my testimony. I further want to express that I have no memories that point to ether one of my moms being perpitrators. And you need to leave my family’s alone, you will just cause some to be hurt or killed for something they know nothing about.
Adam,
Both of Johnny’s parents have confirmed that you are NOT their son. Your delusions may seem real to you, but you have to accept they are just delusions. You can’t remember being Johnny Gosch because you are NOT Johnny Gosch. There is plenty of evil in the world, but your stories of CIA mind control, satanic murders, a million people singing Johnny Gosch songs…it’s all in your sick mind. Take your medications and leave Johnny’s family alone.
You are trying to discredit the truth,
No Adam. No. You are not Johnny. Stop harassing everyone.
It’s not Johnny; It’s Noreen
Is there any new news regarding Willie Mae Rucker disapears?
They found a female jawbone and other remains in the Iowa River a couple of weeks ago. I wonder if it could possibly be her?
Isn’t it funny how everyone who is all aboard the “Faded Out”
podcast starts to not believe the factual evidence gathered in the Netflix
Johnny Gosch story, which involved America’s
Most Wanted and Paul Bonnacci? Or Conspiracy of Silence? Then start viciously attacking Noreen, in particular “Tri State Girl”? Sounds quite personal for them so assume some of their family or locality may have been implicated. Somehow they “all know” he is dead…
mmmkay.
I’m not attacking anyone. I just follow facts. I feel bad for Noreen, and the families of the other boys. No one should lose their child this way. I just can’t believe how many people ignored obvious suspects, and then made up the current more well known story. A lot of people who “helped” Noreen ended up being weirdos. Faded Out is the only serious source to cover local suspects. There had been discussions on this site before about local people, and a little bit on Reddit, but nothing solid. There’s been coverage on other podcasts and YouTube after Faded Out, and it’s all the same old stuff again. The Netflix documentary showed a lack of investigation, and has been proven wrong. You have your beliefs though, and I have mine.
I think you didn’t realize you got played by interviewing and perhaps taking the side of Johnny’s father who is definitelu
not up to snuff. A lot of midwestern people
might come off as unassuming and innocent, but doesn’t mean they don’t have some sick secrets. Look at JonBenet’s mother… she took her secret to the grave and how did that end up helping her other child? Would have been better to clear the air when confronted, then to face the afterlife with a guilty conscience hidden away.
I didn’t interview anyone. Faded Out isn’t my podcast. I’m just a fan. I don’t understand why so many people don’t want to believe it was someone local. Faded Out isn’t perfect, but at least it looked into a realistic timeline.
There were 2 possibly 3 locals and more from a few other states that I can identify. I am begining to think about half of the people or AI BOT that frequent this page are here to prevent justice from accuring. If you can protect me from our government so I don’t end up like Edward Showden or worse like Julian Assange. Everybody needs to wake up, this is not the republic that was originally created in the late 1700’s. This new government is trying to legalize what they have already been doing. Crimes against children are unforgivable. Why are so many people refusing to accept the fact that the government did it and are continuing to do the same to other children.
Look at the PHYCHICAL EVEDINCE that surports my finding. And don’t let these cult members influence you to not look at ALL possibilities.
https://johnnygosch.wordpress.com/
Adam,
Physical. Evidence.
I think there was a married police officer that didn’t want his infidelity found out or fell in love with Jodi . I think he was with her at her apartment when she overslept and while she was getting ready for work pulled that white police van up and snapped her neck or killed her in parking lot as he was putting her in van . Conscience at that time he was building a machine shed on his property. 27 years of covering up his affair.
In 1974, Frank Sykora had a 10YO boy staying overnight at his house to help him with his paper route the next day. Frank’s brother James S. Sykora molested the child and was arrested the next day. Another potential suspect.
Did this happen on the Mississippi River?
Jason’s attorneys solved the case on A&E in 2021 where is the updated case information 😩
My aunt Alice is a missing person. Wondering if this skeleton is missing the lateral incisors
My brother Adam and I were born as conjoined twins who were both drafted into the CI*’s monarch program. The phychic research branch of thier phycological (mind control) research MK-U;tra.
Because of the extensive use of hypnotism used to, manipulate my memories, my narritive needs nongovernmential investagative resources to help with the finel draft.
Conjoined twin are known to be born with a phychic ability that allows them to know what each other is thinking. This This telepathic connectedness was the target of thier phychic research. The truth will be known.
https://johnnygosch.wordpress.com
Definition of delusion: “an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.”
That black and white photo of the guy Noreen says partisapated in the abduction is my other dad. The lower part of his ear lobe has been amputated, he’s blowing his cheeks out, there’s a 3.5oz gold Cuban link chain around his neck. The photo was taken by members of the, anti pedo alliance who kednapped him to exact information and evedince from him. The photos delivered to Noreen were his personal collection of political blackmail photos that have links to other child rape photos. The photos and thier agreement to allow me to fully awaken were exchanged for his freedom. They were partially photo shoped by the lead programmer responsible for my programming and then left on Noreen’s porch for my use and protection aftered I was allowed to fully awaken.
Attacking my creditability and egnoring the evedince is not going to keep the current cover-up narritive in place.
They have repeated that narritive so many times that it has become a false truth.
My nongovernment and evedince based investagation is continuing on my site where we can prevent the large satanic political cult who operate in the shadows of our government from manipulating us with there many tactics like Rattus and others are using against me.
Just because it sounds crazy, doesn’t mean its not true.
Come clean tell everyone your true name is Adam Bevington and you have trying to pass yourself off as Johnny for over 10 years. A couple years ago in a phone conversation when Noreen asked you why your doing this I remember telling her she wasn’t going to live forever and you want a share of any inheritance? In our meeting Friday 4/26/24 we again explained to you you’re not Johnny Gosch. I I hope you also remembering Noreen saying no way are we going to open a non-profit for you to go around the country telling your story and if you try to tie a non-profit with Noreen’s name , initials or Johnnys name there will be consequences. Adam is clear you were a child victim of human trafficking were put though some form of mind control, drugs, tortured and other horrific acts. It’s sad that there are no help centers out there for you and the thousand other victims like you. You didn’t ask for this to happen to you. Of the victims like you that have crawled out of the rabbit hole and made a life for themselves it was extremely hard for them but they did it. Perhaps it will be easier for you to pull yourself Adam Bevington up than trying to be someone your not
You are Sick! How can you actually come on this page under Johnny Gosch and protray and present yourself as something you’re not.
Please Stop. Johnny’s Family and Friends visit here.
So in the sixties many girls went missing in The same mason city so could it be the same person twenty years later yes. Yes yes
Why did you never see your mom if you are really Johnny Gosch?
I am very interested, can you please tell me information about your childhood that the public does not know about, that only your parents would know about?
Do you see a therapist to talk about what happened to you?
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I might be his daughter so if y’all find him please make him contact me 651-463-2190 is the landline
Hey Kasandra- Just curious why you think he may be your dad…. get a hold of me…
I have over all these,many different theories, and most are all the same…Ethan owed a drug dealer money for drugs…????cocaine,meth.most likely meth.maybe they were cooking meth out there and other illegal activities, that’s why no one has spoken a word this entire time???they would al be in trouble for accessory to the fact,ormaybe they just didn’t like eathan,or someone accidentally killed him,or he overdosed,or alcohol posioning,and everyone was to afraid of getting in trouble them selfish selves …..
From what people who know him have said on Facebook over the years he wasn’t that kind of person. People paint a picture of kind of a band geek who was also into drama and theater. People said he attended the University of Iowa and was part of the marching band there, but didn’t graduate. He appears to maybe be at kind of a lost stage of his life not sure what he wanted to do and there were also rumors about his sexuality. I have the feeling this is one of those cases where we will never know the why and the family are under no obligation to say anything.
I see her grave says Connie Jo Choate. Was that her legal name when she died or did the family just not want to have Bodensteiner on it? I can understand if they did it, but would be nice to know what her legal name was at the time of her death. Old DM Register archives seem to just call her Connie Bodensteiner. I’m guessing that was her legal name at the time.
These cases remind me of a very creepy occurrence. Back around 2000-2003 a guy that worked on my construction crew would get very jittery everytime we drove over this bridge. The creepy part is when he said “there had been a young girl found choked to death down there years ago”. While telling me this he was rocking back and forth on the truck seat rubbing his hands together. If these are still unsolved I think I need to contact DMPD. I’ve long forgotten this guy’s last name, I’m sure work records are still available…
Why isnt chuck flint listed?
These dirty Sheriffs Dept Set me Up Dumped Tires in My Noryh Field Prosucted me Huge fire Jail time I. 66 Tears old with Health Problems Had a Stroke inside Jail denied Hospital. Starved Me in Kail yet No one will listen We Called Iowa Civil Rights No Help denied. No Justice. I’m forced to leave my Home. Sherriff Yelling at Me telling me to shut my mouth stop talking to FBI They won’t do anything any how.i hate The State of Iowa CORRUPTION right down through their Courts system Police Judges They came stole our children Waz Terrible. When doctors te me I’m dying I’m going after a few. That did this too me. Left out was Beatened Up by Mitchall County Seriiffs Office Told to get out of Iowa Your not wanted Here. Deputy Jackson Beat me while I was Handcuffed Denied Attorney for Court too. Judge says You don’t need a Attorney. I was in a wheel chair Sick Couldn’t walk. Went from jail when I was released to Austin Medical Center I Life saving surgery I was minutes from death had lost 85 lbs. Too. Yet I had no health Issues.oh Sherrif Denoed me My Heart meds 7 days too.
WHY IS THIS A COLD CASE?! THERE NEEDS TO BE. BOOTS ON THE GROUND CITIZENS ROUNDING UP ALL THESE DIRTY COPS SO THEY CAN PAY THE PRICE FOR WHAT THEY’VE DONE, F#CKING COWARD ASS SISSY PIGS
I was celled with this man in federal prison and I hope the family seeks justice for what he and two other was involved in.
I asked Urbandale police in 2016/17 to consider my mother’s death a cold case, with possible autopsy and cremation despite Roman Catholic affiliation. Urbandale is also DSM in zip codes. They looked at me as if I were a public nuisance. I think technology and housing killed her – she had mercury fillings, not Alzheimer’s.
I am an Iowan by birth but lived elsewhere for many years. We returned to Iowa during the era when the Dennis Chaffee murder occured and because I am a Chaffee, I have been interested in this unsolved case. I encourage Marie and Adam to pursue a solution.
No Steve wasn’t a veteran.
It’s still so sad to me that there are people that were her so called friends know who pulled the trigger and took this beautiful life. She was love just plain love and she lived these people that are suppose to be her friends. For God’s sake someone who knows needs to come forward. They need closure the kids need closure. Someone who knows find the strength to come forward. Have the courage to say it’s been to long. Lisa deserves this. We all do. If you truly loved her say something be strong it’s time.
All you people think it’s a walk through the park during a house fire. It happens so fast that you don’t realize how fast the fire spreads. My wife didn’t do anything wrong and blames herself for not grabbing the baby first. She thought she had time. It’s pretty sad that people want to lay blame on someone when they don’t even realize how hard it was on us to lose our son. People also want to post how I went to Federal Prison and guess what I paid my dues and have been drug free now for 25 years. Fucking hypocrites need to clean their own porch off before they judge anybody else
Has anyone submitted a public records request on this case? Does anyone know if Marie is still with us?
I see on a few other sites he’s listed as deceased. Have they found something or has me been declared dead?
It sounds to me like Hathaway feels guilty for encouraging him to get the motorcycle parts back rather than him feeling guilty as if he hurt Kenneth himself. It is absolutely not his fault if this is the case but I know it’s human nature to blame yourself.
My great aunt is still here with us.
Word on the street was she overdosed, and her body was put into a 55 gallon drum of lye and built into the house of someone out in the Durango area supposedly.
https://www.kcrg.com/2022/07/29/man-acquitted-2011-robbery-killing-cedar-rapids-face-trial-federal-charge/
Has Kenneth Scholz ever come up as a suspect? He murdered my uncle (who was also 13) in Crete, IL in 1951. He moved to Des Moines to be with his mother, Elsie Scholz, after he got out of jail in the 70s I think, and they are in the Des Moines phone book in 82. Kenneth would have been 49 in 82. How many people living in Des Moines at that time had that kind of backstory? Here are some articles about my uncle and the trial. https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2013/03/01/billy-rodenburg-murder-1171951-crete-il-17-year-old-kenneth-scholz-confesses-to-killing-13-year-old-billy-rodenburg/
That is a name that I haven’t heard before. Thank you for sharing this story. I’m sorry about your uncle.
Matt, thanks for sharing that information. It introduces a new name of a possible person of interest into the disappearance of Johnny. However, the body of Billy was found. A big if in relation to Kenneth Scholz, would be if he kidnapped Johnny, where he hidden him or his remains all these years.
Also, one of the articles refers to Kenneth as a Iowa youth. But, it did not mention where in Iowa he was from. Also, you have him moving to Des Moines, after his release from prison.
I have Elsie Scholz’s address in an old Des Moines phone book from 1985. 1079 22nd St, Des Moines, IA. He lived 5 to 7 miles from each abduction site. That house is still there. Is there a way to find out if he or his mom owned a Ford Fairmont?
Kenneth Sholz was born in Crete, IL. He moved to Des Moines to be with his mother after he got out of jail. He died in 2004. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/121330632/kenneth-carl-scholz
I see they have a photo of when he was caught. He was young then and wearing glasses. Does anyone know what he looked like in the 80’s? Maybe he looked like the sketch of the man in the car in Johnny’s case, or the man Eugene was seen talking to. Maybe someone who grew up with Marc might recognize him from just walking around or something. Maybe he was at Des Moines Register parties with Wilbur Millhouse or Frank Sykora. Maybe he went around the mall where Fred Sayre went after kids. Most of the adults are gone, but maybe a former paper boy from that time would remember.
I think they were likely taken by a loner. And Kenneth Scholz was a loner.
There’s a podcast called Faded Out that follows the theory of someone at the Register doing it. Maybe Kenneth was friends with Millhouse. What kind of job did Kenneth have in Des Moines? Did he work for the Register? Did he work at the mall? Did he work at the bookstore?
Maybe Millhouse took Johnny, and Kenneth took Eugene and Marc. Or any other kind of combination of that scenario. I know the towns are close, but it’s definitely a possibility that different men took each kid. Or maybe Kenneth worked with local pedophiles, Millhouse included. There was a pedophile ring with other pedophiles busted in 1986. If Kenneth was left behind that would explain why there were kidnapping attempts from 1986 to 1989. Then it all stops. Maybe the group fell apart and Kenneth wasn’t as good.
This post also shows us just how many bad people can be around you at any time. This is why children can’t be out alone.
If Kenneth did this I bet he did it alone. I don’t think the theories about a ring in Who Took Johnny added up to much.
I don’t believe the documentary either. The people I listed were covered in Faded Out. Local pedophiles who could have come in contact with Johnny. Millhouse specifically.
In Faded Out, and on this site, Yellow Bag talks about how Millhouse said Johnny was taken because he couldn’t keep his mouth shut. The Paper really messed up. Letting two pedophiles work with kids.
Millhouse had already been charged, while working at the paper in the 70’s. Sykora had been in the same home his brother molested kids in during the 70’s as well. Then Sykora was busted in the 80’s as a pedophile himself.
There was also a pedophile ring in Des Moines that was busted in the 80’s. Other men, that as far as I know, weren’t attached to the Register, but maybe they knew Kenneth. https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26108166/mar-15-1986-reg-man-who-had-been/
There were also the attempted kidnappings from 1986 until 1989. I don’t know what to make of those because Millhouse, a prime suspect, was already in jail. Maybe Kenneth was having his go at it. A lot of this is lost in time since all of these men are dead now.
Nobody has ever asked me what happened. Never. My truth can not overcome the false truth created by repeating the narrative above. It was not a physical kidnapping. It was an inslavement of the mind using trauma based mind control.
You are not Johnny, and you have a lot of nerve. I really don’t get how some people can be this heartless. His family misses him everyday, and a lot of people know he is dead. Get help.
The way TRI State Girl attacks the truth because it doesn’t fit with the cover up narritive shows everybody here that she is working to keep the cover up in place. Using tactics taken out of the government\ CI*’s play book.
Don’t address the evedince only attack the creditability of the truth speaker. The evedince so overwhelmingly supports my truth that nobody is even allowed to think outside that narritive.
I’m here after the truth and this conversation involves me.
I was there. I have the answers to many questions that the people have a right to know. I refuse to candy coat what happened to me. They manipulated my memories because memory control is mind control. But the evedince is physical. 100’s of physical prices of evedince.
I will answer some questions if three of you are able to maintain an open mind and are willing to learn about the tactics used that made this possible. The truth is so different than the current narritive and that the cover up is so compartialmentialized that few of the individual parts can stand alone but become more understandable as it relates to each other parts. I’m telling you that
This was done by the people who also operated the MK ultra programs and other government mind control programs.
Johnny; if this is you, please know there are others out there that know your pain. I was a victim of a sexual predator when I was very young. I did not go through what you did, but I can understand the pain it leaves you with. I wish I could help you.
Prove it
Sorry not you
I have the evedince. I want everybody to help Protect me from our government who has been manipulating me since birth. I realize how crazy this sounds but I refuse to candy coat what happened which would only hurt my creditability more. To also understand that the CIA never does anything without taking a detour through the land of deniability or crazy land. That’s just how they do thing. I know because they trained my subconscious using trauma based mind control that allowed them to control my subconscious mind which had overwhelmingly influence of my conscious mind. Basically they compartialmentialized my mind into different personalities and personality parts who were completely unaware of each other. Although my individual programming dramatically Changed after Anton killed my formerly conjoined twin brother. Which caused the fake kednapping so I could be moved to Adam’s family. when I was I had already spent about half my life, 6 years living as Adam who was one of my well established personalities. Think of it like there were two Adam’s and two Johnmys but never activated at the same time who switched places with each other every 6 months in order to keep us as identical as possible. Both mom’s wrteneber aware of the experiment but victems of memory manipulation as I was. Memory control is mind control. This was done as part of thier mind control research that was also researching the connectedness that allowes conjoined twin to know what thier siblings are thinking, a telepathic ability used in prayer but much stronger which also gave Adam and I a strong connection to the sprit world which is the source of the power that is used by the elites to dominate the masses. The reason for the cover up of the research projects is it classified as hidden knowledge. The same knowledge that has been systematically hidden from the masses for thousands of years that is hidden the Vatican. This powers makes it possible for the, elites to dominate the masses. Allowing them amunity from prosecution so many became addicted to sex with children creating the elite pedo problem. I am God’s Messenger and I want everybody to know about this knowledge to eliminate the unfare advantage and the abuse of the children.
What is hard to wrap my brain around is ..If you have an identical twin Adam ..no one ever saw him in all those years …? Where is He now ? Where is this other family?
I have one recovered memory of being on the kednappers bed where they say “Adam died why don’t we ,ale him Adam ” and when the who done it question came up the answer was always Anton.
If you are really who you say you are prove it
Why did you never see your mom if you are really Johnny Gosch?
I am very interested, can you please tell me information about your childhood that the public does not know about, that only your parents would know about?
What happened to you? I would love to hear what you have to say! I have a very open mind!
Contact me on my website where we can arrange to speak by phone
https://johnnygosch.wordpress.com
My apologies, I do not feel comfortable sharing my phone-number with you because I am 13 years old. I cannot help you. I am sorry about this.
This was just supposed to be for an extra credit assignment for summer school because I got a bad grade in Social Studies last year. I was only going to put information from you that I got on this forum.
There’s a podcast called Faded Out that covers this case. I think their more realistic approach would help you with your project. It’s on various platforms. https://www.iheart.com/podcast/263-faded-out-29268528/
Episode 13 of season 1 is when it starts to get really good. Season 1 covers Johnny’s case. Season 2 is about an unrelated case in Connecticut.
Also, I’m glad you didn’t give out your personal information to that weirdo. This guy pretending to be Johnny is clearly very disturbed.
If you listen to Faded Out as Tri State Girl recommends, I would be very cautious. The podcast has a very flagrant agenda to discredit Noreen Gosch and Paul Bonacci no matter what the evidence actually says. It uncritically accepted anti-Noreen and anti-Bonacci statements from the likes of Chris Birge, Johnny’s father, and Sam Soda, even though all three witnesses’ statements had seriously credibility issues. Chris’s witness statements of that morning were contradicted by all other witnesses; I’ve written about it before here: https://www.reddit.com/r/JohnnyGosch/comments/e948gx/chris_birge_and_the_sighting_of_a_van/ Johnny’s dad Leonard John Gosch repeatedly contradicted his own prior statements along with other verifiable evidence; I’ve written about that before here: http://cavdef.org/w/index.php?title=Johnny_Gosch_abduction#ljgliesSam Soda was a prime suspect of the Gosches who lied on the podcast about many things, including a claim that the Gosches hired him when in fact he tried soliciting them. He also tried to dissuade the podcast host from believing that Johnny’s abduction was premeditated and tried to convince her that Eugene Martin (whose abduction Sam knew about before it happened, according to Noreen) was unconnected to Johnny’s. Gee, I sure wonder why this prime suspect would do that.
Faded Out is so egregious that even when they receive evidence contradicting their star witnesses, they either ignore the evidence or somehow claim that the evidence actually proves their witnesses are truthful. At one point, Sam claimed that while he was interviewing Des Moines Register pedophile Frank Sykora, another journalist named Mary Bock was in the room with him the whole time. He used this to guard against claims that he had in any way coerced Sykora during the interview as there would have been an independent witness. Faded Out interviewed Mary Bock, who stated that she may have been in the adjacent room (i.e. not the same room as Sam) but she was actually pretty sure she wasn’t with Sam at all that night and only got his tape of the interview the next day. Somehow, even though Bock entirely contradicted Sam’s account, Faded Out presented it as if she had confirmed it.
There probably isn’t anyone out there with a truly objective view of the Johnny Gosch case. What you should do is read the arguments for and against various theories, then dive into the evidence to see how closely the different theories match it. I have my own website with the page http://cavdef.org/w/index.php?title=Johnny_Gosch_abduction which is a summary of the case that has extensive footnotes to sources that can be checked. Whether someone agrees or disagrees with my presentation of the case facts, they all follow from specific pieces of evidence that you can verify.
Your information is interesting. I have one question. If Johnny went alone to deliver newspapers, why didn’t at least one of his parents hear him pull the wagon out of the garage and/or hear the dog bark? The garage is right below the master bedroom. Both parents got up routinely at dawn for work and family responsibilities. Yet, supposedly, both parnets didn’t wake up until more than an hour after Johnny allegedly left the house.
I think if you are really Johnny, you should see your mom. She will be open to hearing you. She loves you very much.
This is not Johnny Gosch. Everyone fake Johnny has taken his story to (including a friend of mine) has come to the conclusion he is a sick young man with serious mental issues. He looks absolutely nothing like the real Johnny Gosch.
Hey, does anybody know if ‘YELLOBAG’ is still around?
He is still alive, but I don’t know if he still goes on this site. If he wanted to add something I think he would. I don’t know if there is anything else to add though.
It’s weird how you say everyone knows he is dead. What is your source of information to say he is dead?
Yes, Yellowbag is still around. You can find him at the Westwood Baptist Church in West Des Moines at 60th and Mills Civic Parkway. Ask for the Lead Pastor.
Matt,
Let me know if you would be willing to discuss more about Ken Scholz.I can figure out a way to get my contact info to you. Thank you.
Just saw this, how do I send you a private message?
Also let me know if you need or want to share more information about Ken Scholz. He may have been in Pontiac prison at the same as John David Norman. He also lived right behind another Cold Case victim, Diane Schofield.
You bring up an interesting name John David Norman, who along with a Paul R Paske ran a major pedophile ring out of Chicago in the 1970’s.
They were supposedly sending childten around the United States and the wotld. Supposedly John Wayne Gacy claimed that Paske was dangerous.
Paske supposedly murdered three boys in vfc 1977. One of them was supposed to testify against Norman.
Happy birthday dad
Hello Monica, I am a historian & true crime writer and I happened upon your story while researching a project I’m working on. Now, something struck me, wondering if there’s possibly a connection to the individual I’m currently writing about. Honestly, this may be absolutely nothing at all, but who knows – it might be something worth looking at.
Is she going by Sheryn Drewelow now to hide her past?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sheryn-drewelow-a02538a8
And https://www.facebook.com/sheryn.drewelow
this one really gets to me
I am visiting Shenandoah at the moment and i’m trying to figure something out about the Tall Corn Inn, we found a photograph of an overview of the Hotel from what appears to be the 1960s. The photograph shows a woman being dragged by a man, she’s wrapped in a bedsheet or something else but she is clearly alive in the image. If anyone knows anything, please let me know.
I’m a former investigator and have some tips. Can someone contact me, I have an idea.
Is anyone aware of why Michael Klutner has been cleared for these murders? The timing of things couldn’t be more suspicious. Im concerned the white van is a red hearing.
I remember reading that they had a dedicated team to heavily investigate Michael Klunder in relation to this case. They were able to confirm a bunch of things that show he wasn’t in the Evansdale area at the time. He wasn’t even familiar with the area, and where the girls were found at Seven Bridges Wildlife Area is the kind of place where only locals who grew up in the area go to. Michael Klunder did his crimes in places he lived and worked. My thought is that it was a local man who one of the girls knew. Probably a family friend who grew up in the area and had a hunting or fishing license at one point.
From my understanding, Michael Klunders first crimes did in fact happen in the Waverly area. Which would mean he was somewhat familiar with the area. And the crimes he committed there and in Dayton seem to be somewhat similar. I also often wonder how they were able to rule him out.
According to the documentary he escaped a treatment place and fled to & bridges. He knew the area well.
Interesting. That goes against what was said initially. I just always come back to the fact police publicly ruled him out when they were under no obligation to do so, and considering he’s dead anyway. Lots of details to the case not public.
All this week KCRG is airing stories about Elizabeth and Lyric’s abductions and murders.
https://www.kcrg.com/video/2022/07/10/evansdale-cousins-went-missing-years-ago-this-week/
Fingers crossed that their case gets solved soon!
A commenter has said that the molesting uncle Roy Beach had an adopted son named Paul. Although the Beach family was cleared by DNA, was Paul cleared?
Well I just found out that Paul died in 2004.
I’m sure this has been brought up over the years, but has Brown’s Woods or Racoon River woods ever been checked thoroughly? Seems like a good place to dump a body. Browns woods is basically a middle point with easy access from where Eugene went missing, with conjunction to where Johnny went missing in WDM. Browns especially. It couldn’t be more in the middle of the two areas the kids went missing. Did any of the suspects frequent those areas for any reason?
Not just Browns woods but Des Moines Water Works Park. People don’t realize how big it is.
Please don’t forget that on 4 Feb 1984 Tim Earney also from Albia was murdered in his home. The case is still unsolved.
“Dachshunds were bred to be hunting dogs, and like all hunting dogs, they tend to bark. Their bark can be loud, especially considering their small size. Many Dachshunds are sensitive to changes in their environments, which increases the likelihood of excessive barking.”
So, the first mute daschund in history miraculously finds its way back to the Gosch household without waking up the neighbors with an incessant bark. This breed is known for barking, and barking loudly. Yet, the daschund Johnny supposedly took on his route the morning of September 5, 1982, did not make a sound.
Must have been heavily sedated or the entire story is BS.
This case is all about Gretchen, the daschund, that never barked on its way home to sit outside for more than an hour at the Gosch home without barking.
And there is a Santa Claus.
What about Jasons wife? My theory is they planned it and it was all about money. She killed mom, staged it, crossed arms and legs and left. Then Jason shows up to call it in 2 hours later with an alibi.
In addition that is why Shelly was so opposed to Jason taking the plea deal, because she was worried he would end up breaking his silence about who really pulled the trigger. The affair didn’t matter at that point.
Ridiculous
Praying for justice for this man!
Freddy it’s your brother Chris and u are still missing it’s been obver 9 years just wanted to let you know I’m a dad I have three kids and three step kids all girls hopefully u will be able to meet them someday I really miss u and I am hurting all the time because I miss u so much and love u so much I can’t wait to find u brother please contact me 6415755609 please call me Freddy I miss u and need u around u are my brother and my closest friend there will always be a hole in my heart a spot only u can fill so please call I really need u it is killing me inside not knowing where or what happened to u please come home I love u always and forever ur brother Chris
Chris, thanks so much for sharing this on your brother’s page, and I’m so sorry you and your family are still without answers after 9 long years. I can’t begin to imagine not knowing what happened to one of my siblings. It’s true that somebody out there always knows something, and I hope that person will one day soon slip up or follow his or her conscience and come forward with details that will provide some type of resolution. All my very best to you and your family. Jody @ ICC
Mark Millihan did Interesting PODCAST “UNFOUNFD” Harry and Car, I.ll Check bsck or “routte” to CONTACT remain “Jim for NOW.
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July 1? Turkey Day obvious passed as MANYbhave since 1984
Davis Brother or (s) you had mentioned Richard would be 80s in PRISON if Still ALIVE. Did you get Chance to Speak with or ANYTHING to ADD?
My wife and I have seen literally thousands of true crime docs and this one ranks up there in the top 3 of weakest cases ever! The other 2 were Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey. One girl has the memory, the other girl does not remember it – they cancel each other out. Was it a planted memory by a mother with a vendetta? A dream? And I’ve never heard of someone committing a perfect murder with the exception that they went home and started confessing out loud to the victim. Makes no sense. The drug addict’s story makes no sense. Why would a murderer take the bloody clothes out of the bag in plain site of others and then burn them? Wouldn’t she just throw the paper bag with the clothes still in it into the fire and burn everything at once? And why didn’t he say this 25 years earlier when questioned? He can’t be trusted. Why weren’t the hairs tested? And the judge should have allowed this to be a hung jury. It’s obvious there was no evidence. This was a guilty until proven innocent case. I don’t like to speak ill of the dead, but it sounds like this guy’s suspect list could have been longer than the Nile. This is one of those cases that leaves you thinking if she could be convicted of murder with no evidence, then anybody could.
The DATELINE episode should bring about another look at this case. Why are her appeals being denied? Unfortunately Cahill had a weak lawyer and that should be a consideration for a re-trial. The judge should be recalled. I intend to keep following this case.
I just saw Dateline on 6/18/2022 and was stunned at the conviction. When Cahill said at her arrest “you don’t know how wrong you are” something rang true to me. I looked at the facts and there was no case for a conviction. A questionable 25-year-old memory from a 9 year old girl and a drug addict saying he saw the defendant burning bloody clothes – how are these considered evidence? And neither of those testimonies were offered during the 1992 investigation. Worst of all is the second judge not accepting a hung jury for the second time, and instructing the jury to come back the next day with a different verdict. I am blown away how this guilty verdict was railroaded by the judge, the detectives and the Weineke family’s desire for a conviction. It’s possible Cahill is guilty, but this trial certainly didn’t prove that.
I couldn’t agree more. I also watched the Dateline episode and read everything I could on the alleged “evidence.” I normally don’t question law enforcement’s decision to indict, but this case left me with a “you’ve got to be kidding me sick feeling deep in my gut.
There are cases on this site that contain — in my opinion — more than ample evidence to charge a suspect and ensure a conviction, and yet years go by with no arrests. If someone wrote up this story as a novel, any agent would find it ludicrous and tell them not to quit the day job. Mike Z. is correct in that the possibility exists that Cahill is guilty, but I saw no credible evidence whatsoever to support even an indictment, let alone a guilty verdict at trial.
If anything, the Dateline episode illuminated the nonsensical rationale for Cahill’s arrest.
Can you say…”Salem witch trial?” Watch out Justice. And the softball bat, how many ounces was it – because to swing a bat and make perfect contact to cause unconsciousness you need skill and strength- try it out on a tree- frickin impossible unless you’re built like a weightlifter and play for the MLB- Any male suspects or just a mother of 2 kids that has the time to kill during a weekday? Oh no- somebody of this 8 billion person world, who might have a repressed memory slightly askew, and you’re going to jail for 50 years!!
DM Register 04/30/1962: “police alerted hospitals and taxi cabs, officers combed dozens of blocks”.
The initial description was somewhat misleading.
From 14th Place the murderer had a straight line (due) north trajectory to reach neighborhoods with relatives and friends.
About 1.5 miles to traverse.
There was no freeway to deal with.
His biggest exposure would be crossing Keosauqua.
If he stuck to alley ways, his exposure was minimal.
Assuming a pace of 12 minutes/mile, that is 18 minutes travel time.
He was probably indoors before Clark and I returned to Clark’s apartment.
What I misunderstood, as many people do, is that trailing is highly problematic.
According to trailing expert, Jeff Schettler: “… most trailing-dog deployments rarely find what they are looking for.” [K9 Trailing The Straighest Path (p. 62). Kindle Edition.]
What likely happened on 04/29/1962 was:
The bloodhound(s) got started with the right scent article.
Contamination of the scent article occurred before exposure to bloodhound(s).
The bloodhound(s) did NOT get started with the right scent.
The handler was handicapped by arriving at the scene after other investigators. He never got control of the situation.
The murderer-rapist’s scent was not the freshest or strongest on the scene, and the bloodhound(s) didn’t “select” it.
Inner city environment contributes to odor confusion.
Trailing failure did not detect that the murderer-rapist fled the crime scene on-foot.
After he jumped from the window of the house at 1526 Woodland, he ran south to the alley, east to 15th Street, north to Woodland, east to 14th Place, north on 14th Place.
facts
me personally wouldnt have let that slide
Interesting article highlighting the unfortunate occurrences of tragedies impacting Native American Iowans including this case…
‘Where is she?’ Iowa Indigenous communities grapple with missing and murder cold cases https://www.thegazette.com/news/where-is-she-iowa-indigenous-communities-grapple-with-missing-and-murder-cold-cases/
(Via The Gazette)
Interesting article highlighting the unfortunate occurrences of tragedies impacting Native American Iowans including this case…
‘Where is she?’ Iowa Indigenous communities grapple with missing and murder cold cases https://www.thegazette.com/news/where-is-she-iowa-indigenous-communities-grapple-with-missing-and-murder-cold-cases/
(Via The Gazette)
At one point this entry mentioned a fare Mr. Massouris was to have picked up at a rough old honky tonk bar that was under the viaduct. I believe a waitress was wating for it and you alluded to the fact she had something to do with it. Now all that is deleted. I wish I could remember the name of that bar because my mother told me how rough it was. I think it was called Ranchero or something similar.
Has any one looked into this https://www.kcrg.com/2022/04/11/human-remains-found-advanced-state-decomposition-outside-fairfield/
Tim is my cousin. In 2019, I sent letters to the newspapers in Ottumwa and Albia and have not gotten any responses. Please help by writting more letters.
I worked with her at Wendy’s. When I seen this I had no idea she was murdered like this. Sad asf. She was nice and didn’t deserve this
Jeff Smith did this. Run the DNA
I would like to hear from any of you and give you my thoughts. Janet was my aunt. I had spoken with Frank’s sister, Mary a few years back. She died in 2007 or so. She had lived in Des Moines and had spoken the truth to the 2 children. Frank married a woman named jean who told the two kids a lie that Janet had committed suicide. Glad she had kept in touch with P.J. and Chris.
My name is Larry Teig. Janet was my aunt. My mom was Marjorie and we were stunned when Janet died. As time passed, we all (cousins) have concluded that Frank, her husband had her murdered. This was confirmed by Franks sister, Mary La Fratte later years. She was a wonderful mother to her two children P.J. and Chris. I believe they both live in Des Moines. Someday, all will be revealed.
I still love you and miss you everyday Mom!!!!
Janet was my aunt, her husband Frank was my mom’s brother. The day Janet died, she had dropped off her children at Grandma’s just up the road. She told grandma that Frank needed her to help him in the field. Later that day she was found drowned in the pond. Interesting that the next day, we were all told by Frank that it was a suicide when in fact that was never the case!!!! Jean the woman he married 6 months later also told Frank’s children that Janet died by suicide. There were facts at the scene that without a doubt ruled out suicide.
Hello Helen, My name is Larry Teig. Janet was my aunt. My mother was her older sister, Marjorie from Jewell, Iowa. I had kept in touch with Frank’s sister Mary who lived in Des Moines. She too believed Frank was responsible. Mary had kept in touch with the two Children, P.J. and Chris. She told them the truth. I have been trying to contact P.J. Tony’s son told me he found an address for him in Des Moines. He wanted to contact him as his cousin and although I never got a hold of P.J. I would love to show reconnect with him as his cousin. I understand Chris is married and lives in Des Moines as well. You can contact me at larrylarew1@hotmail.com
Just came across this case. I was rightfully suspicious as to why such a paucity of pictures of this rapist and murderer. Another Killer Koon. Just how many even live in Iowa??
If your looking Mark Edward Handlon. You should stake out his exwifes residence at 4903 28th Avenue, Moline, IL. Because if he’s not there. She will definitely know how to get a hold of him. And definitely knows where he’s at for sure. Because she is constantly calling him. She is probably hiding him at her house. Or at one of her relatives houses that live around her house. That’s probably for sure where you will find him. Don’t stop looking for him at all. And when you find him. You need to arrest him immediately along with his exwife. Marilee Handlon at 4903 28th Ave, Moline, IL.
How does one go about getting in touch with Lt. Frank Stearns, or Lt. Ron Vande Weerde, or a Bill Basler?
Hey jade! I miss you and think about you often. I don’t know where you are but we used to be best friends in school. I have picture’s of us. Your family have been in my heart and prayers. I hope they continue this case.
Cesus show norma swope born 1925 and died at 15. No records found if her death why?
record keeping in the 1920’s probably wasnt done thoroughly, been a hundred years so might of been lost somehow
Mary I would like to know where you get your information from ?this was my grandpa And I don’t know who you are so I will see you in around our family I don’t see how this helps find my grandpa!
He’s my grandpa. I know this information because my mom was married to his son John Jr. And no you won’t see me around don’t threaten me. There’s a reason my mom left because you and your mom are fuddy duds. Total trailer trash. I don’t care if you’re my cousin. You’re gnarly. 🤢🤮 My mom and siblings moved far away from your families crazy AZZ. Good thing because I might have ended up as trash like you 😂 are you saying that you want to fight me? Ok tubs.
Also how do you know he’s dead? Are you subconsciously admitting that your family has something to do with his disappearance? Because I hear y’all do. 🤔🤔 Wondering if it has something to do with drugs…..
I’m just curious while everybody’s saying all this stuff about the dead and it doesn’t even pertain to Anything about their disappearance Thought this was supposed to help find them not to bash upon the dead and missing
The staging of the scene to resemble a “robbery” where nothing was missing save the murder weapon and that the body was also staged strongly suggests to me the killer was a family member, either the husband or one of the two sons. The killer didn’t bring a weapon but knew there was a gun safe in the basement and retrieved the murder weapon from there. It seems clear Jason was not the killer since video places him far away at the time of the murder. Comment from family member above indicates husband was also far away at the time of the murder. That leaves Billy Dean Carter. Where was he that morning – why was he never a suspect? Can any other family members be implicated or have motive? And Jason’s wife, she seems 100% convinced from the beginning that Jason wasn’t involved – not the slightest doubt. Is there a reason she is so sure? It’s baffling to me that this remains a cold case and that not a shred of physical evidence was ever found.
im sure the police have thought about this as many others have also. maybe there isnt quite enough evidence to move forward……yet
I just watched the A&E Accused Guilty or Innocent series episode about this case. Presented from the defendents point of view. It elaborates on a very generous plea deal offered by the state and statements by others implicating the Followill brothers. At this point I am convinced that not only is Jason not culpable it is likely neither are any family members. It is upsetting that his life has been greatly impacted and that he is being held responsible with no further appeal possible for a 10.2M civil judgement against him.
Billy was at work. I worked with him, and remember the day he found out about his Mom being killed. He was devastated. Hi alibi was checked a million times, and verified by several people who interacted with him at work the days leading up to the crime, and the day of.
I am in agreement with William Hilder, Jason is innocent. The last person to see Shirley alive and m concern here is why would he do everything to blame his son. I am not blaming anyone because to jump to conclusions is exact what has damaged so many lives.
Without doubt I do believe that the Police made three crucial mistakes
1. They told the Billy they had someone they were looking at and would be laying charges within weeks. Of course the famiily were going to get frustrated. How Jason got a fair trial is testament to the wonderful jury.
2. The Police did not follow the evidence. They made an assumption and without doubt attempted to make the evidence fit their conclusion.
3. There were a number of clues that the Police didn’t follow to their conclusions. They were so harassed by Jason’s and I think the Civil Judgement left them looking inadequate So they jumped on that banned wagon, a case that leaves a loving parent wondering why he would deliberately push to blame his own son.
Personally as a Criminologist I would love to see all the evidence as heart breaks for Jason and his family, he has been found innocent by a court of Law, yet his own self righteous family have found his guilty….why, because he had an affair. Something that had nothing to do with his parents. There is far more to this story and all parties, especially Shirley deserve someone to investigate this from an open mind.
As I was looking up information on the case, I came across testimonies of those involved in the case. Billy Carter was supposedly at work when his mother was killed, but I have no clue if his alibi checked out. From the follow up episode, the rumors of others being involved was investigated by Jason’s attorneys. They found a truck that was possibly seen in the area, plus the phone belonging to someone of interest pinged off the closest tower to the Carter farm at 9:23am (or very close to that time, as I don’t recall the exact time they said). Sounds to me like the police have some work to do. I truly find it difficult to believe that Jason or his wife were involved. His brother is extremely weird though, but weirdness doesn’t indicate guilt.
ok so how hard would it be to solve the case bc my dad knew her in high school and i would like to bring her family to peace about what happened to there child
Newspapers.com has a story about him from 2000, in the Des Moines Register.
They had a little museum at knotts berry farm when I was a kid in the 1970s they had the axe from this crime at there museum it was shut down years ago wonder what happend to the axe!
I heard the axe is on display at the Iowa Historical Museum in downtown Des Moines.
I want that axe!
That’s creepy
Maureen Farley did not know that she moved to Cedar Rapids and moved next door to a murder who was trying to hide his murder by killing more people, or hiring a person to kill possibly the only person who saw him commit the murder. Maureen Farley moved right in next door to the possibly murderer of Paula Oberbroeckling. Maureen Farley’s next door neighbor in Cedar Rapids was Doctor Thomas Sturgeon (a chiropractor). Paula Oberbroeckling was murdered at a prostitute’s house. The pimp at that prostitute’s house was Ernest Jordan . Doctor Thomas Sturgeon bought the gun and paid Perry Harris to murder Ernest Jordan, the pimp who most likely saw Doctor Thomas Sturgeon murder Paula Oberbroeckling when he was trying to rape Paula Oberbroeckling.
Today marks 60 years since the murder-rape of Ramona Jean Cox. This case has been of lasting interest to me because I was walking within 150 feet of 1526 Woodland, WHILE THE CRIME WAS IN-PROGRESS.
My friend and I went to Foodland (630 14th Place) to buy cigarettes. The clerk had to face east as he pulled the cigarettes from the shelf, and that is when he mentioned a black guy running shirtless past the store window. I couldn’t see from inside the store, so I stepped out of the store door, and looked north on 14th Place. He had a white shirt gripped in his left hand. It enabled me to see him in the dark, on an overcast night (no moonlight). He glanced back, and saw me, but kept slow trotting north.
When the first squad car arrived, my friend and I walked back to the corner of 15th and Woodland. After the police informed the three people in the yard at 1530, that they found the dead body of their neighbor at 1526, the women started yelling and crying. That would be Sharen C and Jackie P. Charles R, the boyfriend of Sharen C, tried to console her, but she wouldn’t be consoled. From 150 feet away, my friend and I, interpreted it as a boyfriend-girlfriend spat that had gotten out of hand. When the vehicle with the bloodhounds arrived, our theory didn’t seem to fit. Why were the bloodhounds on the scene?
Charles, Sharen, and Jackie identified the man who jumped from the window as white. Later, the FBI analysis of hair fibers, indicated a black-white mix. The guy I saw slow trotting on 14th Place was black. He was in the neighborhood, at the right time, and had about the same stature (5’9”, 160 lbs) as reported in the newspaper, so why don’t I think he was the murderer? The bloodhounds arrived on the scene in less than an hour. If the guy I saw was the murderer, the bloodhounds would have been on that trail in a heartbeat. Instead, the newspaper indicated the bloodhounds only tracked to the back alley. This indicates to me that the murderer fled the scene in a vehicle parked behind 1526 Woodland.
Reading your previous entries regarding this case, you indicated that you didn’t see anything. Now you are saying you did indeed see “a black man jogging”? Please explain.
You are probably referring to when the officer asked us “boys” if we had seen anyone in the neighborhood, and I said no.
Keep in mind, my friend Clark and I, didn’t know until the next morning what had happened, and how serious the situation was. That night, we thought it looked like a boyfriend-girlfriend spat that had gotten out of hand.
We actually hadn’t seen anyone in the neighborhood on our walk to Foodland, at 630 14th Place. The streets were desolate. We were the only ones out and about. Not unusual considering people were getting ready for the start of the work week, and were headed to bed or already in bed.
The only activity we saw was the guys screech off the stop sign at the south segment of 15th at Woodland. We were positioned right in front of them, if they had came up over the curb onto the sidewalk, they would have hit us. But, the driver cut hard left and sped west on Woodland. I figured out the next day after reading the paper, that this was Charles Russell, and his friend who was driving him back to 1530 Woodland.
We had run out of cigarettes, and that was why we went to Foodland. We were underage, but Clark was 6’0″ and about 200 lbs. I was 5’10” and 98 lbs. He looked old enough if the clerk didn’t check id.
We spent a few minutes looking around getting some candy, then when Clark asked for the cigarettes, I lingered in the store doorway, getting ready to run if the clerk questioned our age. I just realized last night, in a flashback, that I actually saw that jogger come up the south segment of 15th, headed for Woodland. I went back into the store, and chatted with Clark and the Clerk. When the clerk faced east to grab the cigarettes, he said he saw a black guy, shirtless, jog by the window. I stepped back out of the store doorway, and could see him jogging north on 14th Place. He had a light colored shirt in his left hand, wadded up. Since it was an overcast night (no moon, no stars), I probably wouldn’t have seen him without that light shirt.
I believe he had the shirt on when I first saw him, and must have taken it off when I went back into the store.
Clark was in the store the whole time, and wouldn’t have seen the guy. I never mentioned anything about the jogger to him. The clerk only got a poor glimpse as he jogged by. I say poor glimpse, because the store window had cardboard signs and a neon sign that would have prevented him from getting a good look. The best view I had was when he was jogging north on the south segment of 15th toward Woodland. The view I had of him as he jogged north on 14th Place was inferior, because there was no close by streetlight, his back was to me, although I saw him glance back over his shoulder.
I’ve been trying to refine that memory image, but it is from 60 years ago.
Wasant Mike Flowers a suspect in the hill murder didn’t they find him wearing the Mr hills ring?
Jose Canas Is the true killer of Amber Hayes!!!
I always pull up google maps when reviewing these cases. I don’t know why but it tends to give be a better perspective of what happened and how.
The girls’ bikes were found on the trail in the South East corner of the park. This is the most obscure area in the park and is next to I-350. It is obvious why everyone jumped to the conclusion it might have been a trucker.
What I want to know it the address the grandmother lived at when this occured. I would like to try and track the path they took TO the park as I feel someone watched them and followed them in there, waiting til they got to this remoter area.
People jumped on to the idea that it might have been a trucker, but there is a large fence between the park and the interstate. I don’t want to give the exact address, but the grandma’s house was on Brovan Blvd Evansdale, Iowa. It’s a small street and if you look at street view from 2012 you can’t miss it. The park where the girls were found is very remote and only the kind of place locals who grew up in the area ever visit. Not the kind of place and random trucker would know about or be able to drive their truck easily into.
I pray my sister gets the justice she so desperately deserves. I hope the person or persons that were involved in taking her from us pay the ultimate price. There is a special place in hell for people like that! I miss her so much. Sh was an amazing person with the most peaceful mind anyone could possess. She helped anyone when they needed it and never asked for anything in return. Such a beautiful soul and I know she’s watching over me everyday.
Kim was the only person who showed me kindness when i was being bullied at LC and we became school buddies. I never forgot that.
I am wondering how much it would cost to get the DNA testing done to close these cases.
probably quite pricey so you know the state of iowa wont do it unless it is absolutely necessary. youre right though leaning towards DNA because i believe most of these cases could be closed if they would approach it that way
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2020/06/30/genetic-genealogy-golden-state-killer/amp/
I didn’t read anything about “Goose” or Therese Miller in this particular artical, where can I learn more about Ron Novak’s case? Please send me any link(s) with more details @ WiseGirl_Kim@hotmail.com. Please & Thank you ahead of time.
Travis Jamieson, the Monticello man who was arrested and acquitted at trial in Cathy-Jo’s murder, has recently passed away. I’m not finding a case page other than this one for Cathy-Jo on the ICC site (I may not be looking in the right spot), but I wanted to share that information. Here is a link to an older story about the case:
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Sex+clue+pointed+to+the+PARTY+ANIMAL%3B+Pretty+Cathy+Jo%27s+vicious…-a060756653
My grandparents lived next-door to the Brûlé for years. I basically grew up with them. I never realized that it was not suicide until a few years ago. I hope and pray that whoever is responsible is caught and prosecuted.
Evidently the authorities charged Patrie with killing Kenneth Gallmeyer back in January of 2022. Did not see this on the news back then, but here’s a short piece about it from KCRG: https://www.kcrg.com/2022/04/15/iowa-man-pleads-not-guilty-2012-home-invasion-killing/
Excellent, I love it when that happens!
Did anyone ever check with the friends family to confirm that they weren’t home?
Yes…on a crime show they did on erin..they said that the family just ran out for some snacks maybe?
check out this guy…https://www.newser.com/story/318987/33-years-later-the-i-65-killer-has-been-identified.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_crime
So the Murder for Lee Rotatori was solved just this February. Maybe Thomas Freeman also killed Linda?
The guy looks like Harry Edward Greenwell who was just identified as the I-65 Killer/Days Inn Killer in Indiana he died in Iowa in 2013
Andrew, yes, there’s definitely a very close resemblance to the third sketch from the Chickasaw County Sheriff sketch. I’ll be watching closing to see if answers are forthcoming in Rhonda’s case.
But the I-65 killer had a specific M.O. that doesn’t appear to match this case, right?
Lisa was one of my best friends Jerri was my cousin. I lost a lot of people that year including my grandmother. We were teenagers we were kinda wild. Evidently she had a whole life I knew nothing of. The most we did when I was with her was drink cheap wine in a graveyard lol She was a good person and an even better friend! Definitely was murdered! Rest in heaven all of you and I think of you often I hope one day this all gets solved but unfortunately I doubt it 😭🙏🏼
Her house was actually 705 3rd Ave, not 703. Census document from 1925 has house number listed as 705. So it is the red house right next to 703 3rd Ave.
Would like to talk about Bobby Crawford murder.
Why would the father wait 3 days to report his daughter missing??
She was not a Hooker, she wasn’t old enough to be anything but a child!! I wish someone would solve this case, but I bet the killers are dead! Still would be nice to understand, after all I wasn’t feeling to safe myself after lisa died! We were In school together. She was so shy, never saw her talk to anyone!!
Type of truck displayed in 1971?
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There is a tictok about Lindsay Buziak from British Columbia Canda with many similarities, down to thier hairstyle and blonde streaks and similar facial features, being described as vibrant, successful and cheerful, age, jobs, etc. There was a cell phone purchased and used only to call Lindsay once, registered to a man’s name, Paulo Rodriguez. But a blonde woman was with a man and Lindsay was found stabbed multiple times in the master bedroom of the home she was showing them, she also had no defensive wounds. I can’t help but wonder if they are connected. They have so many similarities in personality and physically that it seems like a serial killer. Just wanted to put this out there for investigators to check if there’s a connection. The tictok mentions Ashley Oakland’s case. 😟 my condolences to both families.
They aren’t at all connected. Lindsay’s murder (most probable theory) had a personal motive involved which wouldn’t at all include Ms.Okland.
https://www.iowastatedaily.com/news/politics_and_administration/city/update-missing-ames-teenager-found/article_cb11a336-10b5-11e6-8162-e38162c8c1d3.html
It appears Jade Colvin was found back in 2016. Needs updated!
Abby, that story was updated May 4, 2016 (two days after Jade Colvin went missing). She went missing again June 10, 2016, as reported by the Iowa Missing Person Information Clearinghouse and NamUs.
Jody, that was nice of her to runaway again. Maybe the authorities should have handed her a statement of the costs of searching for her. Plus, a booklet listing all the runaways who were murdered. Plus the unidentified bodies around the country.
But, then she has more important stuff to do. But not at home.
Disrespectful. You don’t know what her circumstances were. And if something nefarious happened to her, she didn’t deserve it.
What a disrespectful comment. If something nefarious happened to her, its still NOT HER FAULT.
Happy 20th my love! I hope so much you had a good one. Autumn and I think of you everyday and we need you.. No matter what . We will do anything to get you back in our life and keep you safe . No matter what it is, we will go thru anything and anyone to find you. You are our world .. we love you so much Jade. -summer </3
Is the evidence for this case still available? Anything that could be tested for dna, even after all this time? Although, from the articles with numerous photos, it looks like the crime scene was grand central station within a short time. Even that the evidence was flown out of state. No telling whose dna is mixed up with it now.
The Quad City newspapers reported a blood covered hat was found. If it’s still around blood could be matched to the Bachers, maybe skin or hair from the person who wore it.
I am Literally watching AWP right now while I was looking through this list. Those guys are seriously AMAZING
“We encourage thoughtful discussion here but ask that comments remain civilized and constructive … i.e. without personal attacks or name-calling. Be respectful of others and remember that victims’ family members visit these pages, too.”
Literally every comment on this page is a willful violation of your impotent policy. Maybe try harder? Or, even better idea, get rid of the comments altogether. There is absolutely nothing that anyone can, or should, contribute to these complex and difficult topics via an internet comment. All they engender are wild speculation, open prejudice, bitter resentment, and the further erosion of the already deeply scarred state of civil discourse among Americans.
Considering all the foot traffic that park gets, especially during morel mushroom hunting season, I’m thinking he isn’t there otherwise someone would have found something. I too would be interested in his internet history. Ledges, especially the parking lot isn’t an uncommon place for people to meet up. In the early 2000s I was a student at Iowa State and my roommate went there alone one day to meet a girl he was talking to on the internet. He is an outdoors type so he didn’t think anything of it. It was a bad idea in retrospect because it’s rural and nobody really around that time of year.
After doing more research and hearing his dad on a podcast, it sounds like things were meth related. It’s really unfortunate that his dad made the mistake of touching, getting into the vehicle and driving it home.
yeah why did his dad take the truck? I guess we dont know what was going on in his mind. Maybe he just wanted it home, i dont know?
I’m here to say that Jerry was told it was okay for him to take the vehicle. So he did so his son’s truck didn’t get towed. -Nicky Ludolph (Calmer) the one in the news story and a friend of jesse
I remember hearing Erin’s stepmom say in a podcast that police wanted to search CP’s truck, but he had sold it not too long after Erin went missing. Shouldn’t there be a paper trail for that? At least a title transfer? I guess I want to rule out that the truck wasn’t just abandoned in a forrest or Cedar River etc.
I’d start by looking for the description of these cars at junk yards.. they have some old cars piled up from years ago..
There are only 2 ways to get to the house. You have to know exactly where you are going. Back in the 70’s it was all farmers, and you could literally count on both hands the number of farmers who had land around Churchville for a few miles in any direction.
In mid June, farmers should of been out in the fields. If you drive the route from the east or the south to their property, you see the road. You would notice a strange car, and definitely recognize a vehicle owned by anyone who lived around there. It was 1973, the DCI probably didn’t exactly canvas farmers. The other thing that’s never been brough up is where were the kids, and why. Janet was not the type to ever leave her children. Her family and church were the center of her life. Someone saw something strange, and has never come forward. There is no way a person could die as horribly as she did without someone seeing something, and the person responsible having some kind of connection to the family. It was not a random act. It had to have been planned, and whoever did it knew exactly what to do and when. I’m not a conspriacy nut, I don’t need a tin foil hat, Janet didn’t deserve to have someone take her life, and those kids never deserved the life they were stuck with after her death. Fifty years later, everyone who lived around there is dead, and sadly so is this case. As with all of these cold cases, someone got away with murder.
I agree with you and as for the dozens of other cases like this someone had to see something but never spoke up and like you said they are gone and dead and got away with an awful crime
Thank you.
I’m pretty sure no one in that area even knows this ever happened,
I’m not even sure if there are any of the original family descendants in the area anymore. To see a few people have commented over the years Is nice. I used to live around there, over the years one person came to mind, but is also long deceased. It’s pure speculation.
Hopefully they are in a special section of Hell wether connected to this tragedy or not.
I am a niece of Janet’s and was in high school at the time. Janet’s husband was my mom’s brother. We all believed as a family that he was the one responsible for her death. He was disowned from the family after her murder until the day he died. I remember the next day being told that she had committed suicide which was what Uncle Frank had told us!!!!!
Interesting
The day Janet died she had taken her children up the road to grandma’s house. She told grandma that Frank needed her to help in the field. She was found dead later that day.
His family lived in KS where he returned to. His younger brother died just a few years back, I knew him fairly well, they were generally good people. His dad just died three days ago. I have pictures of the incident as it took place here in Coffey County leading to his suicide. They have searched around here but I doubt he carried her here. If he did they were countless places to put her that would not have been on the property.
When was the gate put in place? The one the dive team had to drive around?? And why was one installed? Didn’t look like much back there that you need to gate it. Also, I think it is really odd that IF that is where the party Was then why hasn’t anybody from the party come forward?? I have been to plenty coal mine stripping cut parties in my day and nobody would have left like that and not be unnoticed no matter how loud the music was.
I read the news that familial DNA just cleared this case. Thomas O. Freeman of West Frankfort, Illinois was the source of the suspect DNA. Not sure what the source of the DNA was. Thomas O. Freeman decomposing body was found in October of 1982 in Cobden, Illinois.
Here’s a link to one of the stories about Freeman’s murder of Lee and his own subsequent murder as well:
https://news.yahoo.com/cops-crack-hospital-worker-40-193818413.html
Very interesting read. I love this got solved.
It’s pretty clear that authorities believe her husband, Nemke, killed the Freeman. The most likely scenario it seems to me is that Freeman foolishly talked about the crime and Nemke heard about it since he evidently lived in the area.
That’s the only plausible scenario I can think of since the authorities were unable to come up with a suspect all those years and Nemke would have no other way of identifying Freeman.
Interesting stuff!
That’s a far stretch based soley on a murder/rapist bragging about their crime. Hardly plausible. I am more inclined to believe he followed her from the truck stop area. That truck stop was very busy then and the area was not nearly as populated as it is now. The casinos were not there then. Being on the I-80 & I-29 corridor it attracted a lot of traffic and criminals.
All these years and I couldn’t help but think it was connected to the Mayfield murder that happened a couple of months earlier.
I either didn’t make myself very clear or you misunderstood my comments.
I was referring to the fact that Nemke (her ex-husband) allegedly killed Freeman (the recently identified killer of his ex-wife Ratori). The article is pretty clear that law enforcement believes that Nemke killed Freeman and that they both lived in the same area in Southern IL. I don’t know how Nemke would have otherwise would have known Freeman did it unless he foolishly talked. Clearly Nemke wasn’t at the scene and LE didn’t know who killed him until just recently, long after Nemke passed and Freeman was killed.
I don’t doubt the fact that Freeman, a trucker, and the fact that the hotel Ratori was killed and the truck stop were very close in proximity is likely linked.
I suppose what’s needed is confirmation that these three actually KNEW each other as opposed to being from the same area.
The husband was a person of interest in the murder of three women, at Starved Rock State Park in Illinois. He was arrested in a stolen car on the Northside of Chicago.
Someone suggested that his connection to Illinois makes him a suspect. Well I live in Illinois, which makes me a suspect also. We can add all the residents and former residents of Illinois, as possible suspects.
Also John Wayne Gacy was a resident of Illinois, makes him a suspect. But then I seem to remember that he worked in Iowa.
I prefer that we come up with some links that shows thst the husband had previous contact or knew Freeman.
To quote Sgt. Joe Friday, “just the facts”, and not assumptions.
It’s speculation, not assumption; the former of which is in part what this message board is for – as long as it’s qualified as such. Heck, I’ve seen you make similar speculation often on this very board.
As for the basis of said speculation, I suggest you read these specific quoted comments from LE Officer Weddum – the officer working the case…
“I’m not a real big believer in coincidences,” Weddum told the Nonpareil, explaining that Rotatori’s husband, Nemke, who died in 2019, is considered a person of interest in Freeman’s murder.
“With his known history of being in the area of where our suspect lived and where our suspect died, it raises suspicions of his involvement. That he possibly could’ve been involved,” Weddum said.
Quite a stretch extending the specific, quoted, on-point comments from the LE officer above to you and Gacy’s residency.
Cobden, Illinois is located in Union County, which is northeast of Cape Girardeau, Missouri. Not exactly close to Council Bluffs. Also West Frankfort. Illinois is in Williamson County, close to Interstate -57.
I wonder how her husband would be able to identify him as the offender in a short period of time, when the police had no clue.
The other question is Freeman connected to the murder of Linda Mayfield, F/B, in the Starlite Motel, also in Council Bluffs on April 9, 1982. She appears was stabbed multiple times in the face, chest and stomach.
Yes, I wondered how her husband identified the killer too (see my posts above if you’re so inclined).
Since Nemke spent a lot of time in Southern IL, I speculate that Freeman talked and Freeman heard about.
Now that I think about it, a couple of other possibilities: 1) Freeman returned home with stab wound injuries, some people knew he was in the Council Bluffs area, people connected the dots, and that got around to Nemke. 2) Nemke hired Freeman and then killed him to silence him.
I also wonder whether it is possible that Freeman knew Nemke years ago when they were younger. Nemke was 39 when Lee was killed, if my math is correct. Freeman was 35. Could they have served time together in juvenile corrections? Could Freeman have had anything to do with the suspicious fire which killed the female juror (serving on the jury for Nemke’s murder trial in the 1960s) and the juror’s teenaged daughter when Nemke was in custody? In one of the articles I read, it said when Freeman was found dead, no one had reported him missing for at least 3 months. That raises other questions as well. My gut feeling is that yes, they knew each other.
Sweet heart I pray you get the answers you are looking for there’s Way to many lost.out there God be with you
Can’t they check dna through teeth Etc now?
They have to use a combination of DNA and genetic genealogy. The DNA gives them the genetic profile of the deceased individual. But they have to have something to compare that to. Yes, they could compare the DNA of the unidentified individual to that of Matthew’s family members. Otherwise, if they don’t have a potential match to compare to, they have to use genetic genealogy to trace the family of the deceased. Usually at best, they get a hit on a distant relative in a database of people whose DNA profiles have been voluntarily submitted.
28 years now still unsolved ,but we have a new cold case team in Des Moines Iowa , I hope and pray they open my mom’s case and re review it.
Yes have faith. I believe that they’ll solve her murder one day. Prayers .
Continued prayers for closure, an arrest and conviction is long overdue!!
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I agree 🙄just wondered where is this Boy Scout camp , or Kiwanis cabins ? Exactly 🙄in toddville or Palo ?
I wish the Dallas County Sheriff’s department would look into this “suspicious death”. There were witnesses there that need to be talked to. This was a murder!
And now I see that former Des Moines register staff writer Frank Santiago passed away last year. So any institutional memory that he might have is long gone also. https://www.desmoinesregister.com/obituaries/dmr117504
I must’ve struck a cord because I have a lot of people reacting negatively to what I said but I have one question for them I will I’m not going to stop preaching what I know because I know what I saw and you’re not gonna stop me from voicing what I saw unless you plan on killing me too like you did Eric and you know who you are and I know who you are too and I guess if you think I’m a danger to you then you’ll have to do something about it won’t you but let’s be real I wouldn’t be a danger to you only a danger to your freedom because of what I know so come and get me!
This was not an accident Eric was my friend and I know for a fact he was murdered, his father absolutely hated the fact that Eric thought he might be gay and he killed him for it when he found out about it this was all a really huge issue when does homicide happened and I was not surprised that Eric ended up dead he was always afraid of his father. I never thought his father was serious when he told Eric if you ever become gay or try to be gay I will kill you boy I thought he was just saying it I never realize how serious he was!
The funny thing is the parents said they were at home that evening and that’s an out right lie because I heard the shotgun go off from my bedroom door I remember standing there with my back to my bedroom window in the doorway and I heard the loudest sound I’ve ever heard in my life. I turned around and looked out the window and I saw Eric‘s dad‘s truck and his moms car both in the driveway and a short time later Eric‘s dad came out of the house threw something in the garbage can got in his truck and left by this time Eric‘s mom had already left the house. I know he killed him!
I am not sure how Lisa’s comments is helping this case? are you serious with your slander and lies? Stop telling lies for the truth cuz you definitely was not around the family or I would know you.
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my thought is that if the officer thinks it will never be solved then give us a name and some more details of the crime if there is any.
I’m the great
Great granddaughter of James Nicoll and the same thought came to me Linda, maybe he was having an affair! M.O.
Father died in 2016
Are there more photos of Rodney John Olsen? Here it says he was out visiting someone but i found another site that said he went back to Britt to visit the son.
if you want to know more let me know.
Hi mom, it’s me again. Today is a very hard day for all of us. 25 years and still no answers… I still hope for the day we have some closure and justice.
I talked with a news reporter today, in hopes to get things out there..
I love you mom, to the moon and beyond…not a day goes by where I don’t think about you.
Love always, Autumn ❤
I’m guessing the waterbed had bullet holes in it?
Yes, the summary states that information.
I think of you everyday. I love you forever, Im waiting for the day to hear your voice again. Autumn and my heart is broken for every second that goes by missing you. Love you always – Summer
Have the police rocated and re-interviewed all of the people who were at the camp? Both leaders and former children attendees should be interviewed again. If children targetted him as a joke, they may not have desired the outcome and then didn’t want to admit it once he was in the river. Now someone might be more willing to tell if they were only an observer. Secondly I belueve that all family members of missing lived ones should take an Ancestry DNA and 23 and Me dna test and upload the results for free to Famiky Tree, My Heritage, abd especially Ged. If a body is ever located it can then be identified through the dna. If a person ran away or was kidnapped and they eventually grow up and do a dna test. they will find out who they are and locate relatives. Also save a stamped envelope or toothbrush of the lived one because soon these items will be able to be tested to match someone’s dna.
I’m the eldest son of Gene Oathout, who owned Oathout Funeral Home at the time of the 4/2/1962 fire. I’m surprised to find this arson in the “cold cases” file, as my clear memory is of a firebug who was apprehended after a string of arsons. He was accused of torching 3 churches in addition to the Funeral Home. I don’t know if he was convicted.
Has anything more been done here? Are people still local? I would be interested to dig into this and find out what happened to people after the event.
No nothing has been done with any of the Loose family deaths.
John Rude was electrician
In searching newspaper articles I notice a pattern of killings from 1970- 1974 this could very well be a serial killer in that area, I will need to look further before I am 100% sure.
His Social Security states he was living in Iowa when he retained his Social Security Number, I am still search for addresses and places her was after he returned from service.
Name: Alexander Sauceda
Social Security Number: 483-66-7724
Birth Date: 17 Jul 1950
Issue Year: 1966
Issue State: Iowa
Death Date: Oct 1973
I found him in a article for a traffic fine he got for $10 in Colorado Springs Newspaper in 1971.
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Colorado Springs Gazette-Telegraph
Colorado Springs, Colorado
04 May 1971, Tue • Page 25
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/93819544/alexander-torres-sauceda/
People need to watch the 20/20 episode January 29, 2022 with Bill Pruins 2 daughters about the Jodi Huisentruit case with Krystal and Scarlett and their setting the record straight saying there is no connection between their dad’s death and Jodi’s disappearance. They want to people to stop with the rumors they are hurtful to both of them. The police, both of them Krystal and Scarlett and the private investigator are saying their dad Bill Pruins was not murdered but was an accidental shooting and there was no indication of foul play but an accident! They want the rumors stopped period and let their dad rest in peace and whatever his legacy will be so I agree with them let this go their dad wasn’t murdered but an accident.
Here is a link to that 20/20 broadcast on YouTube. Don’t know how long it will be up.
https://abc.com/shows/2020/episode-guide/2022-01/28-gone-at-dawn
My mistake. It’s on the ABC website.
I’m pretty sure that episode is still streaming on Hulu as well.
I don’t know if anyone watched the 20/20 episode about Jody Huisentruit’s case, but Billy’s case was discussed as well during the episode. There were rumors that his case was linked with Jodi’s, but according to the private investigator that Billy’s daughters hired, the shooting was accidental. According to the episode, Billy had been carrying the gun and somehow tripped and fell on it, causing it to discharge. If that’s true, then his case isn’t linked to Jodi’s disappearance and his death was a tragic accident. The 20/20 episode is entitled “Gone at Dawn” and just aired on 1/28/22.
Yep, I saw that. No evidence of anyone else in the house and the way that PI explained it, I believe them
Bill Pruins daughters did an interview with 20/20 and say there is no connection between his death and Jodi’s case and they wan the rumors to stop. His daughter’s, the Police, and private investigator all agree his death was an unfortunate accident and they want his legacy to be what it may be so again they want the rumors to stop.
Have you guys got any updates or it’s still unsolved
No still nothing 😭😭😭
I used to live in that apartment building, in her apartment. She didn’t live upstairs, it was the downstairs apartment she lived in. My landlord told me that, that’s how I know that .
The Dubuque PD knows that Arnsdorf is dead. The brothers she was seen with had their car compacted at a friend’s junkyard in central IL a few days after her disappearance, police couldn’t get a warrant. She’s in the trunk of that car.
Hi Kelli and those who new Judy,
I was a 6th grade student at Madison Elementary where Judy volunteered as sort of a playground director. A classmate Robert Graves used to walk to school with Judy at times and as i recall he broke the news that something was up the Monday after her murder.
Judy was beloved by all of us but especially the rowdy mischievous bunch, which I was part of. They played Bridge Over Troubled Waters at the funeral at St. Paul Lutheran. I was sitting in maybe the 3rd row slightly behind and to the left of my good friend Leroy Williams in the row in front of me.
Leroy had a scar beneath his left eye and I remember vividly the tears streaming from his eyes as a kind middle aged woman offered him a tissue.
When my kids were young we were driving back from a ski vacation in California when Bridge came on the radio. I had to explain to my wife and 2 sons why I was balling as I always do when I hear that song.
I check up on Judy’s case from time to time hoping that you and the rest of her family, and the many, like me who’s life she touched can find closure. She was a fun and wonderful person and we are all lucky to have known her.
Please pass on my prayers and condolences to her family and friends.
Best wishes,
John Platter
I know this answer might be lost in time, but does anyone know if David Morris was related to the Tommy Morris who was killed in 1972? It would be crazy if they were brothers or something. https://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/tommy-morris/
This guy looks like a man that stalked me in 1974, he followed me to Mason City, Iowa and forced me to go to OKC and then to Danville, Virginia. The perp used the name, James B. Sizemore of Moore, Oklahoma. Could be they switched identities or something because the Danville PD claims they have no record of the incident although I was at the PD and escorted out of Virginia by an undercover agent. The couple who told me to go to Iowa were a white man with one leg and a black female. They had to have notified the perp because he found out I was there. There are stories of criminals switching identities.
I’m noticing so many disappearances in Iowa of disabled people from even the 1970s, unbelievable, seems like the State or some agency may be involved with so many of them. I also find it unusual that the more recent missing persons have no photo, most everyone has photos nowadays with cellphones and facebook, seems suspicious they have no photos, more like deliberate.
I don’t think Owen did that. I never heard of back door bill, she never mentioned him.I hope the truth comes out before I die.
Does anyone have a picture of this dude Curtis Padgett
Could this be Kimberly sue Doss? She came up missing in 1980 not 1982.
Did they respond to you on this?
I had it checked out a couple years ago and they say it’s not her
Dashawn Smith who killed him? I want to know for I can do my job as the Equalizer
ok sure….
https://katv.com/archive/arkansas-siblings-search-for-mother-missing-since-70s
There is only one male in the doe network that fits the timeline of this one, and they lived about 90 minutes away at the time and on the date, but the physical statistics are too far apart. I’m guessing that since the clothes could be described, the body wasn’t burned far enough to reduce it this much. Looks like the one was found on the morning the other went missing, so, mech, that doesn’t match up either unfortunatly. https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/5510dmne.html
Probably too many months between this woman from the doe project going missing and this woman being found, but i wonder if anyone looked to see if the two were related, since this woman was pregnant and the other lady had two kids by a guy who dumped them off with their grandparents and never saw them again after his wife went missing. Fort Campbell, Christian County, Kentucky is directly south of clinton county iowa where the body was found. I wonder if anyone ever tried to compare the two and see if it might have been her. https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3720dfky.html
https://katv.com/archive/arkansas-siblings-search-for-mother-missing-since-70s
Would be so awesome if these folks could get some closure on this case.
cant be here, she was missing since july 4 and the doe was discovered in april.
I don’t know if anyone has heard or not but Diane’s sister Twyla passed away. My thoughts and prayers are with them both.
Tonya, thank you so much for letting us know about Twyla’s passing. She so diligently pressed for justice in her sister’s case, and she will be greatly missed. My heartfelt condolences to the family. Jody @ ICC
Madonna robbins was dating Terry brian was her ex he was meeting her at walkers …
are the supposed killers still living in clinton or the immediate area?
One works at Walmart night shift
Brian rose….hance and Joseph robbins sr killers…..joseph jr tainted car
I always thought this case was fishies!! I didn’t know Kim but I know the the boys.
As for the house fire the fire chief and the investigator should of found the cause of the fire because I know when we had our house fire they found the cause of the fire !!
So surely law enforcement has asked for cell phone pings at the Lake when the girls were there and then tracked those pings to actual owners of those cell phones. Then did they also look to see if any of those cell phones also ping in the 7 Bridges area between tge time tge girls were mussed and the time the bidies were found. Secondly, there are commercial satelites that periodically cover the area where the girl’s bodies were discovered. If the lication where the bodies were discovered, couldn’t law enforcement pinpoint when the bodies first appeared in that location. Then couldn’t cameras on private property identify vehicles en route to the seven bridges area pror to the time the bodies appeared?
very good questions.I believe that the site where they were found was a known meth lab dump site.In the heart of the park.definitely someone local!!!
Order of elimination, love this idea. I’m sad because I cant understand how a cell phone ping coukd rule anyone in or out. If the description was that they were going through something, how does anyone know they didn’t lose or leave their phone behind temporarily somewhere. I understood at 13 phone can be tracked/traced. So many times we’d leave our phones so our parents couldn’t track us. There was no location off setting then.. but nothing was ever spoke if on it. Also my sons phone was taken by his teacher, after school it pinged in 3 different locations in our area. The phone was in her desk all weekend long. My sons earphones pinged at apartments by his school, we found them dead in our sheds in a stuffed animal bin 2 years later.
Malinger says: “It was unfair to accuse just the Clinton Police,” he said. “We weren’t the only investigating authorities.” But you WERE the first ones called, the first ones on the scene, and the first ones to investigate. You went through the trouble to find the car, check the registration, check the doors but you couldn’t make ONE PHONE CALL to this business? I wouldn’t think twice about calling anyone on my street if I saw their car running that long. A business would practically expect it.
Sorry if this sounds mean spirited but this show up and do the minimum type of response is inexcusable. And nothing has changed from what I can see.
I respect the police and pay good money for their services. But don’t EVER expect blind allegiance to them, or anyone, from me.
mallinger is an idiot, prob to busy thinking about dressing as a woman back in those days.
he is probably in Mexico
Do you have a reason to think this?
being of mexican descent he would fit in there no problem especially if he was running from someone. thats what i would do
I was in the same Harding Middle School gym class that Adam S. described and remember Curtis Padgett’s 20+ minute mile. He laid down near some bushes along Collins Road near the northeastern-most softball/baseball diamond while all the rest of the students were closer to the school waiting for Curtis to finish his mile “run”. It’s like he didn’t even want to try. I remember thinking he could have just slowly walked the mile in a faster time than what he ended up getting.
I also remember his occasional sudden angry outbursts if someone tried messing around with him. Some students definitely tried to provoke a response from him on purpose just because the response was often so outrageous.
I think he only made it through 1 year at Kennedy High School before dropping out or going to Metro Alternative High School. His freshman picture in the 1995-1996 Kennedy yearbook is the same as the one on this webpage and there were no other pictures of him in future yearbooks.
I’d guess Curtis’ home life growing up couldn’t have been very good, seeing the way he turned out.
I’m surprised any girl would have ever been remotely associated with him, unless one were to use him to buy cigarettes or to get a ride somewhere. Even then, you’d think they’d find someone other than Curtis.
There is a guy online that looks so much like Eugene’s age transgression photo. His name is Troy Lund and he happens to be an actor/director, etc. He has the same eyes and facial features. There is not much info on his past. Could this be Eugene?
No. Johnny, Eugene, and Marc were probably abducted and killed by either someone from the Des Moines Register, one of the men from the Des Moines pedophile ring that was busted in the 80’s, or another local pedophile who was never caught. I’m not from the area at all, but the case has pulled at my heartstrings. It’s unfortunate that obvious suspects were allowed near children. I don’t like when people push ideas that honestly don’t make any sense. Johnny’s case has had the worst of it, but the other two cases suffered as well. Not to mention the attempted abductions from 1986 to 1989. Someone local clearly took the kids.
Absolutely it could be him.
Brian’s father, Arnie, recently passed away.
I trust he’s reunited with his son Brian now in heaven.
https://www.cedarmemorial.com/Obituary/2021/Dec/Arnold-Arnie-E-Schappert/
Thank you for sharing the info about Brian’s father. I’ve since added it to Brian’s page, and am glad his father lived long enough to see his son’s case closed. Have a Happy New Year!
You’re welcome Jody. I’m happy to help in some small measure.
I enjoy this site. Keep up the good an important work!
Brian’s father, Arnie, recently passed away.
I trust he is reunited with Brian
i most deff think that this is the weirdest crimes iv heard it kinda makes no sense to me,what did he have agianst them? what was his motive where would he have hid if you can hear every tiny thing like a sneeze it blows my mind the things people do to others
DNA can still be collected but they would need to exhume the body.
Praying for the truth to come out!
Another alias to add: Junior Giovanni Pol
Beware, this site has actual child porn pictures on it. Someone should report this one and get it taken down: https://soundcloud.com/j-nior-giovanni-nimaja-pol
can someone report that site so it can be taken down
Dear sweet Aunt Martha, my Mom (Elaine) is with you (and my Grandpa Arnold) in heaven now :( I was just a girl when this robbery/assault happened. We are from the Chicago area. My Mom, Aunt Jackie, Aunt Bonnie, Uncle Lou and Grandma Helen were devastated by the news of Martha’s murder! I pray the offender has somehow served justice and has remorse. I see a comment by Karen. I’m wondering how we are related?
I believe that Annette Cahill was wrongly convicted and that Robert Morrison commited the Cory Weineke murder.
She murdered him. A little girl over heard her talking about it, and then reported it.
Maybe Kayla should think about the person she’s trying to defend. The reason he is a registered sex offender is because he sent inappropriate pictures to her underage sister “on accident”! I’ve known him since we were kids and he admitted to me that was why he has to register.
The comment about it being over drugs is ridiculous…that is not what happened at all I personally think the Fayette Co police are lazy and flat out don’t want to ever deal with anything because when first reported they wanted to write it off as a vehicle incident…but not until backlash did they go oh well ok and point out allll the obvious staging it was 100% wade lenth and it was over wades still girlfriend and im sure she knows about it as well i have not lived in the area since I was little but all my family lives there and I know alot of people …did they check laynes phone?? Maybe look at the texts he was sent from wade saying things like how he’s going to kill him for talking to his girl and crap like that or how about laynes roommate (and maybe this is hear say) but wasn’t it his roommates pickup that layne was found in….wasn’t the crime scene in the house poorly cleaned up by someone who probably had access to the house?? Wasn’t his roommate good friends with wade? The crime is practically solving itself but….wade walks free smiling in his Facebook pictures…meanwhile laynes family still has to suffer.. seems fair huh?
I may not know all about the girlfriend issue. However, Layne is beaten up and then dumped in his roommate’s pickup truck. I guess the roommate was not home, but left the keys to his truck for anyone to use.
It appears that some agencies in the criminal justice field, try to claim that some cases are not criminal. This involves them less work, and it fits in with their claim, that crime is down
In Pennsylvania a woman was found stabbed to death, almost 8 years ago.There was no signs of forced entry. The pathologist based on that information, claimed that she committed suicide. Although, some of the stab wounds were in her back and neck.
A real medical examiner disputed his findings. So, now her death is classified as a homicide. So, now the police have to investigate it although they never did, because it, she committed suicide.
On top of it, the woman was engaged to be married.
Has anyone thought maybe the suspect got entertainment from strangling people?? I’ve been reading another case, Sandra Dee “Sandy” Kinney was also strangled and thrown in the river. She was also found nude.. maybe this killer, Jerry Lee Huff, had a sexual desire’s before strangling and dumping the bodies into the river. He cannot be tried for the murder of Sandra Dee Kinney but maybe we can get him for the killing of Roger Warren. Also sounds like Jerry is still living in the Davenport area. Both murders happened in the downtown area of Davenport.
Leon Sr.
Yes, I noticed these two babies. The towel on the first baby had two tea towels, one with numerals “49” on a corner. Could that towel be trom a hospital? Hotel/bar/tea room/restaurant? I think that ordinary people like us are giving hope to cold cases.
Could the towel be from a??? What do you think?
I was a classmate of Guys. I remember talking to my mom after his disappearance. I remember missing him from my class the rest of the school year.
Harry Lyle Meader III
better know your FACTS before you start slinging names like its real…you can put anyones name in there as the perpetrator of this crime…and cause negativity in their life. Harry Meader is not a part of this fiasco….I think its sad what happened to josh..whatever that may be. But until you have facts dont fill in the blanks with personal opinion or rumor. That is a real messed up thing to do and all it does is muddle up the investigation and allow the real perpatrator whoevr it may be get away… between this Abe Froman and Chad Willman spreading bullshit that aint true it will be a wonder if the real person responsible gets caught….way to go guys…way to assist in whoevers escape from justice
Nick do you remember the conversation you had about this and the home that records it all. I am sure you just make up stories and events on camera all the time then pretend that it is not available. Nick meader your bringing yourself and others into something yourself blaming others? I guess you must decide what you want to say on this platform as I seem to think your covering up for what your always doing and that’s blaming your brother and my friend for your troubles in and out of the justice system you go and return and go do low low IQ things. Tell the group you really are that guy. Breaking the law and preying on the good people in society again and again. . Why are you the one committing the crimes alone and actions you take to commit crimes are your own doing. Nick not because you had a brother that picked on you and the world that abuse (There is none) has watered down onto others false impressions of moral qualities you display to others . You best stop the story you tell here of what’s really true and false to me. Do you have me on video doing anything that you describe here? I ask that you would you be willing to stop the slander here on me here? if your really the one that forgets the days of explaining what only not be true as you came with here to make sure I was ok from her vicious false claims on me by herr in a slanderous event itself.What you said on that night of the so called recorded conversation I believe makes everything you say here to this group about me and to them a very big lie and your a fool for it . lie and lie …Nevermind I’m sure like everything you just said I am causing here says different if I do recall. People here this man is so full of falsehoods and just as he sits telling you one thing you should ask him this . Say Nick do you belive that this man is the one stirring things up ? Or Nick can we trust your never really saying that to slander him and deflect from the stories you tell? I would stop blaming myself and telling this group anything more its so sad you can say this knowing what tells of events you may be on devices yourself. Now stop hurting everyone in this lie crap where is your dignity and respect to them . Your way out of line
This stream of consciousness diatribe is very bizarre. It sounds to me like Nick is standing up for his brother, rather than accusing him of something.
Comment on FB says this guy killed him: https://www.facebook.com/linncountyiacurrentinmates/posts/318020040323265
This Harry Lyle Meader III has a criminal history a mile long. His outstanding fines and court costs are well into the 6 figure range. Looking at public records it looks like he was out of jail at the time Josh was last see, although he did have a failure to appear warrant set on October 15th of that year. He wasn’t taken into custody on November 22nd in Benton County. If I’m reading the records correctly there was certainly a window of time where he could have been involved. Both this man and Joshua Wellman have meth related convictions. Interesting stuff.
Harry might be a criminal but a killer he is not! He doesn’t even like to fight! His extensive criminal history is non violent mostly drug charges an eluding law enforcement! Why don’t people understand the effects of serious accusations such as these. Calling someone a murderer is something you’d better have a lot of evidence to support otherwise you throw the police into their life for no reason at all! Sharing misinformation is just as bad as being the person doing the original misinforming if not worse! Your minimal theory as to his involvement includes….oh well he was out of jail during that time is pure BS using that theory anyone who came up missing or dead during those couple months was Harry’s fault!? C’mon now that is just asinine! On a serious note … condolences to his family for having to live with constant belief he is probably deceased. I prefer to believe he’s just fine an had to go cause he was adamant about not going back to prison!!! Good luck I hope y’all get the closure your seeking!
Jet Drie, since you are replying to me, let me take a moment to correct you. I didn’t call anyone a murderer, I only did the research to see he has an extensive criminal history and was free during the time Josh went missing. I came at this from the opinion that you are innocent until proven guilty. I am looking for every reason to rule him out as a person of interest. Saying he was out at the time doesn’t mean he is guilty, it just means that he isn’t necessarily in a position to be cleared. He ran from a custody/treatment program that Linn County had him in recently so as of the moment of this comment he currently has a warrant for his arrest and is on the run from authorities. He is only making the future worse for himself regardless of this case.
Looks like police may have found Alicia’s cell phone:
https://www.inforum.com/the-vault/7304442-Murder-on-the-Missouri-River-Alicia-Hummel%E2%80%99s-unsolved-murder-inches-closer-to-justice
Sheriff Howe said he is now more optimistic. Is that because they just now obtained the phone? It seems there are two mysteries involving this case. 1, the murder, & 2, the investigation! We are definitely in the dark here. I understand why, but it just seems like they are being extra extra vague with evidence and details. How was this story leaked, & what prompted it? The phone? We still don’t know when they “found” the phone. I sure hope the FBI and/or NSA are working on that phone. Seems to me that a likely scenario was that whatever these people were doing in that car, Alicia wasn’t supposed to see (possible rape?) & poor Alicia was killed for it. Purse found with cash still in it tells me they were in a big hurry, & that timeline sure is narrow! I’ve never seen these snap chat photos. Such a peaceful looking day yet such a dark cloud of evilness…
Something else seems troubling. There was a 15 minute window between the time she sent her last text, and her body being discovered? Seems to me that the Game Fish & Parks officer would have had to see the vehicle in question! Wasn’t there just the one road leading to and from Myron Grove? Seems like he had to see something.
I am glad they admitted to having the cellphone. I am frustrated with the various little tidbits they have not released. We have to many cold cases with agencies holding back little details to supposedly protect the investigation. This includes cause of death, weapon used, caliber of firearms used, etc. We have too many cold cases that have not been solved for over 20, 30, 40 years. Yet, the agencies are still holding back these basic details, that might have jogged someone memories.
Alicia was murdered 6 years ago. Yet, we know that she purchased a fishing license at a Walmart. Also, that a couple was making whoopee in a car. So, no one else was at the fishing spot. Yet, she was murdered within 15 minutes of her sending her last text. Now, we hear that they have her cellphone. They won’t tell us if they had it since day one or just found it.
Maybe, someone overheard where she was going fishing at the Walmart, and followed her there.
In Chicago, Illinois in 1972, we had two teenage girls murdered. They were shot in the head with a .32 caliber firearm, and they were posed with their legs in a shape of the letter V, in Washington Park. The park is located on the south east side of Chicago. There was no sexual assault of the victims.
Their murder is a cold case. An individual claims that their murder may have been ordered by Chicago Mob figures from the Bridgeport Section of Chicago. It appears the older girl (17), worked at a waitress at a restaurant connected to a motel for truckers on the Southwest side of Chicago.
The motel was operated by Chicago Mob connected individuals. Supposedly senior mob guys hung out there and the older girl may have overheard something she should not have heard. The senior leadership of the Chicago Mob, should have educated them about keeping their mouth shut.
However, we have all those details from a 1972 murder. Plus where they were last seen. We even know the older girl attended Gage Park High School, until she dropped out of school.
Also, just for general information a Frederick R. Burke, aka “Killer Burke”, who was part of the Rat Pack out of St. Louis, Missouri. He also was involved in the St. Valentine Massacre in Chicago.. He was captured based on suspicions by a civilian, who was into True Crime. He even wrote to the Justice Department in Washington, for a description of Killer Burke.
Killer Burke was taken into custody, and transferred back to St. Joseph, Michigan, where he faced charges for the murder of a policeman.
Anyone who takes an advanced interest in this cold case eventually comes to realize that one of the loudest voices has a history of spreading disinformation and fabricated stories in an attempt to keep Johnny’s name out there. If you publicly discuss the case in any form of media, and don’t follow this person’s narrative, they will attempt to discredit you. It has to be exhausting maintain their narrative, and I wish this person would clear the air. It’s probably the best thing they could do for the cold case at this point.
This is confusing and disturbing at the same time. I wish the known evidence and facts were the focus on this “documentary” and not the conspiracy theories. Do not get me wrong, I believe in some conspiracies and I think like everything else; there is a time and a place for such but not here.
The photos that were left at Noreen’s door in 2006 look to be Johnny and some other boys, just by looking at the photos they appear to have been taken not too long after he was abducted.
I am not sure what to make of him “visiting her in 1997”, that does not make any sense. We do not know if he is even alive after all these years and if he is alive, where is he?
Truth Bomb
I was a totally controlled Monarch slave when I wäs made to visit her in 97. The purpose of the visit was to hypnotically access her and erase her memories of Ted Gunderson finding me in S. Texas as carried by most
of the local news. And to make her react favorablly to the other guy who Ted pointed to in DC after Ted started working with the cover up. Many of you probably remember when they found me. I live in Lamoni, Iowa now and will continue pursuing the political cult who harmed me and continues to harm other children as you read this. And FYI I’m not a pedo as she says Paul says
https://johnnygosch.wordpress.com/
You are deranged for associating Operation Monarch with Johnny’s disappearance. Nice try, Noreen.
Mike, why don’t you just man up and say what you really think. Rather, you are just an annoying troll adding nothing to this conversation. Please just go away.
You added nothing as well. Do the same and go away, troll.
You and I know Mike is referring to Noreen, and he is 100% correct.
I did though. I think the person that I’m talking about has been spreading harmful disinformation for the right reasons. I don’t think they are a bad person, but I think they’ll do anything to keep Johnny’s name out there. Unfortunately opportunistic people, pranksters, cons, and trolls take advantage of that person. This person backed themselves into a corner where I think they face legal action if they change their story.
Anyway… just look at all the comments here. It’s sad how many people pretend to be Johnny or know exactly what happened to him. One of those people pretending I think is the person I’m talking about. Sad.
The FBI refused to answer some simple questions in the documentary Who Took Johnny, and seeing how unhinged they are now, it isn’t hard to imagine how badly they have used their powers to destroy many lived and refuse to prosecute the guilty- or worse, if they were useful idiots to advancing an agenda.
Johnny’s father was super weird in the documentary. the fact that he backs this faded out podcast tells me all i need to know about any “facts” presented in it.
this Johnny guy was probably a victim of similar trauma and he probably believes he is Johnny because the real one also had severe trauma. If Jeff Gannon or Jeff Guckert wasnt the real JG then he too came off as very weird and controlled and the correct age. If the guy who claimed he was JG who died in Iowa a few years back, he too probably was screwed up. There was some sick stuff in the 70s and 80s going on because blackmail was even easier to do without the Internet and supposed deep fakes to deflect.
I don’t know if JG is still alive, but he was alive for a long time after imo. Too many sightings with handlers to deny they wanted to use him. Paul Bonacci took AMW producers to the house of the prison guard. The children’s names were written under the house where they kept them.
And a detective in Florida thinks some old dude taking bondage pics of young boys is just a joke? What bc the boys went along with it? In Conspiracy of Silence some producers had interviewed teenage boy prostitutes in Texas from the 80s. They didn’t think to help that boy? Just interview him? And, oh by the way, he was killed before the show was published as the interviewers casually states.
This stuff was even stuff people watched and considered it entertainment. Think about The Sopranoes… so it’s okay a girl who is barely an adult is being used and hit on the show?
So, according to you, the only “sane” people that are telling the truth are Noreen and Paul? The people that are talking about really elaborate conspiracies? Okay, then. This is exactly why the case won’t be solved. Too many people have decided conspiracies make more sense than using common sense when looking at this case.
Well 2 years later the conspiracy theory is the truth and more evidence points to it
Praying this man gets justice!
What a beautiful soul & it breaks my heart that he was killed let along so young & then just left there to die!!
SICK!
Jim
Listen To Vanushed Episode 283 Harry Milligan(By the way Very Well done)
“thar day” you mentuined
Vickie(mom) Hot ob the Trail by 730 pm LE Stopd ny Missing REPORT
Initially Indicates Lenard and Vickir Home unless had Left and Returned
ok Plausiable leaning more towards not Probable
Riual Farm AREA Quiet(Very) hear Cricket Chitp Block away.
You outsude? Saw heard Harrys Car Driven across Street to Shed?
1984 Vickie and Lenard imagine 30s to 40s? No mention Deaf mutes
2 to 3 guys did something Harry, No NOISE.
Heard LOT Names ie last known Harry with Jeff and Doug.
Never HEARD ANYWHERE POCAST any DAVIS Mentuined? Person Interest or OTHERWISE.
Jim you have Audiance. me Included. (Reaches for POPCORN per say
Reported weather FOG. I dont know how THICK.
I’m Interested who “jim” is now?
You Blame me? You told me(audiance).
Note” Last FARM gig Security I did SO Dark. so DARK placed Light senors motion Dwtecrors know if something MOVED and what. Had 12 gauge on my shoullder.
cone on jim
37 years?
recall saying s*** or get OFF thr Pot(maybe both types) 37 years?
listen Vanished
Tho now Im Interedted hearing from Jeff and Doig Disscussion basis or simple what happened rgeir version “thar day”
later
Jim
:Power, drtunk or Dugged induced.
Don’t wanna wake Up Next Day. Gal or Guy Friend like Harry his “Buddies” and ASK “Did we have Nuce Time”?
Harry apparently did not at point to Missing.
Here is my Theory to that all three of them were inside the trailer harry was thought to be sleeping for what they may have thought passed out drunk but harry didn’t drink as much as they thought and tryed to take his winnings while he was sleeping but harry woke up and harry got into it with them made to the front porch the porch faced tords the field away from the road only possibilites up to the point moving forward
Jim
recommend VideomAbott and Costello “whos on Firsr”
Tho Cute, himrtous. Not thid CASE to some. I am NOT Monotised and dont NEED to Draw Large Audiance to You.
My Offer 3 days 2 Nights, meals, LE or Mark Milligan in “Safe” Enviroment,
Ypi can Purchase Cheap Throw Away Phone $20 WalMart, Walgreens ect
I Would NEED substancial Answers First, as LE or Mark Milligan.
“SAFE ENVIROMENT “ALL Concerned.
I do NOT wanna Play “Whos on First”
Consider ONCE at Fla 7 Elven going in.
Street Guy got $5 for Bus fair?
Both walkrf out same Time,
Street guy Bottle Wine, Me less $5 Bicks for the purpose.
Like Trailer? Have to REVIEW, thought you mentioned Hattys House.
REVIWED You dsid Harrys Property.
My understanding Milligans haf HOUSE.Lived with Vickie and Leonard.
Wont write OFF Utailrt on Property. Till Researched
interesting
later
Jim
Matk as Town Albia and Avery want HRRY and maybe VEHICLE RCOVERED.
37 years? Come on Jim.
Iv Put Out to ANY Mine Shaft Explores Interested wanna Drop Cameras or repel contact info Monroe County
already posted.
Text into Mr Beast possiable Funding. Already has Millions in Donations.
Sometimes may take interest.
Liked Jimmys last VideoLast take Hand OFF LAMBO keeps it.
Jimmy I mentioned 1sr Put Hands on 21977 Pontac may be Cool Challenge.
Endining to Half Century(close) Cold CASE
Batter Up? [er say
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Jim
Main POINT?
DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HARRY or WHERE HE IS?
No Need Idle Chit Chat.
Jim
Will Continue Interest in CHAT as long as can VERIFY as we go.
I this Point you said Harrys Property. I dont Know if TRAILER pn PROPERTY 1984
YOU indicated SO. HARRYS Property you said.
Facing away from Street.
REFRESHING Uou said in THEORY what YOU Did not SEE.
However mentionrf YOU did SEE car Driven to SHED across Street and 2 to 3 GUYS(no names) Did SOMETHING to HARRY.
Oh excuse ME you did MENTION Ricjhard Davis.
Very limited Cell Phones 1984 tho I had Bulky pne
Were YOU at Albia know someone Used Pay Phone?
Richard waiting Trailer? Brings mote Questions. SEE
Understand Richard IOWA Prison IF hasnt PASSED. Maybe Charles(?) pther brother knows.
IF YOU wanna Fill in Blanks go ahead.Would recommend make Contact Mark Milligan as he requested.
I will listen to POINT
Answer PREVIOUS make Lomg STORY Short
Keep ME INTERESTED
DO YOU KNOW or SEE what happened HARRY or WHERE he is?
Then Fill in the Blanks.
Go fot it,
Avery and Albia. ANYONE care to Provide VISUAL “Mikkigan” Property and House 1984?
Jim,
Today I’m finding, a Turkey Plate~ Shouldnt be to difficult lol
My Mind races in Wonder place like Albia or Avery this time year.
Snow, XMas Lights, Enjoyment Holiday Season.
Ok Cities do also. One my Favoritr Xnas Trees about 12″ tall delivered,
Sleds, horses and walking about, tho extra Eye passing Drug Stores or Large Dept Stores, Albia imagine few small stores.
Ill be Lurking Background. Info Checkrd OUT you Threw ln Revelent
Harry Made it Home(checks out, seperated from car9do not know how long)
Any 3 Giys Mentioned Harrys House Disappear few days recalled revelent.
Imagine cute quaint Resrarauint Albia, Enjoy
Might catch you later
You mention them and I(you) imagine said what wanted
see anything INTEREST May pop IN now and then
gone for now
Leathal Weapon Christmas Opening Scene (1987)
Gret Start,, kinda Bummed me Out, The Drug Scene Drug Induced
The power of drugs and alcohol you can get answers without asking questions sometimes just listening tells all
Actually
Jibgle Bell Rock
Non Repeting
Once is Fine(maybe twice)
Jim
Not Playing Patty Cakes
other things to do.
Romper Room came to Mind. Lady with Spy Glass. “I See” “I See Jim, I See Richarf,, I SEE Harry ect.
interesting
thanks for initial reply
Factual” Harry moves into Avery out of Albia per say.
YOU Obvious have REASON Needing to REVEAL 37 years Later.
Right Now actuall Wanna find some Turkey, and NONE repetitive version Jingle Bells
Sometimes you just want to forget and then one day a drunk old man desides to run off and make comments about the situation people would not believe how dangerous one person may be but if you would go as far as your own brother says a lot just saying
Jim
Mentioned Me Former Military Police Jnvestigator Plain Clothes
. Arrive. Intial Interview. No Indication Drugs.
Wgat happened to Mother? Spoke well not errational
No drugs, no beating, calm woman ecr ect
Turned case Over to CID complete
Mother had put BABY sxalding TUB Hot Water. She said to Quiet BABY!
Mark Milligan
OBVIOUS LE will Vet(quaify or discard)
“jim” siaid that day” Me lot more Questions
Matter Discussion ONLY
Seems refering to
Sunrise 543am. July 1sr `1984 “that day”
Didnt check Visibility, ie tain, fog distance Sighting or hearing factors, sure Avery and Albia on it.
or Jim still peekin in?
Obvious ypur leisure care to.
Color Shed
Metal or wood
Big enough Car?
barn doors or open ended
How far sighted, clos
neighbors recall
close enoigh hear
rain. fog rhat day?
Trees 1984 impair sight, bushes ect
colot clothes All contrasting car, maybe Harry Stoog OUT
Obvious Who Drove Car across Street
1984 Description Housings, Scenery ect for Visual
Cell Phone? I started using 83 – 84
Dusturbance wake you or headed out
Iowa NEXT Chapter us Yours.
Other Issues for me tho will Look IN now then
Addios
If you went to Tech High between 1983-85, and you never heard about Penny Watson death then you most of not been in school. There is NO WAY you could have missed her death in school.
Mark Milligan
POINT
Recall Harry `1sr Reported Missing Hoq Handled 1984
Yoir FORMWR LE.
Plenty of Qualified LE to Resolve Incliding NONE LE can RESOLVE.
Mark Milligan
Saw News HAVE Harrys DNA obtained. Would ask LE Examine Helmet. Confirm,
according to where stored.
If Matches Sourse, Not Criminal Case but should be BEYOND Reasonable DOUBT.
This “Point” have what belived Harrys DNA from “sourse”? Sibblong or Bio Parent?
Thats THEIR DNA believed part HARRY.
Harrys DNA is Harrys and ONLY when TAKEN from Harry and match, maybe personal items Secured or Stoted.
May have something USED with Harrys DNA Im NOT Privy to.
WHY EVIDENCE CHAIN CUSTODY IN PLACE COURT. at LEAST trying to be FAIR to Determine beyod RESONABLE DOUBT
Not Red Herring, a Fact.
Then “Harrys ” DNA matched to Sourse for comparrison Match.
If LE did HOMEWORK Cool.
Reason MENTIONED Helmet.
Which LOTTA People may Tried On thru years Inless Stored.
Not just Courthoise Paperwork for bio mother . Tho accepted by LE as bio Mother or Sibling.
Point “if yuo HAVE Harrys DNA from Persobal ITEMSa snd Matched with RECORDED BIO Mother, You have Part Harry and a BIO Mother. FACT
RECALL Dragnet? Only the FACTS Mam during questioning?
All with a REASONING ONLY Why Jphn or Jane Doe NO DNA DATA Bases NO MATCH,
Babies Bought Sold, given away r, kidnapped from Hospital, financial reasons ect
RUNNING DNA from accepted SOURSE why John or JAne Doe still Mystery. to % pSTILL some Missing.
Take to Next Level Unless Satisfied and USED Harrys DNA for for search
Interesting.
Harrys DNA ran or Recorded Bio Sibling or Parebt Data Base?
Mark would ASK LE “Harrys DNA or Outside Sourse recorded as Part of Harry?
Mark Milligan
Facebook was Public gander Overer for Info. I do not Facebook so locked OUT has changes. Ok
DNA seems like your Dad did All Legal for adoption ‘ so Bio Parents KNOWN,
If Not KNOWN ? Nice PHOTO “Harry” with Marine Helmet if you Kept Gear, My Army Helmet liked to keep few Hairs and LOT sweat ect. Stick in Closet>?
Jim
Suppose if yoir in Toich LE may not want Info Divulged LE reasoning
however Mark Milligans whole Senerio Changes at END if VERIFIED dates and times
Ibstead Harry riding off to Sunrise, NOw Trouble House believed Headed to?
come on Jim?
At least date” Shouldnt be Issue with LE
New Chapter or not?
Ill reapect LE asked. ypu only said “them and I” keep beyween
Jim
Mentioned 2 to3 men fid”something to Harry?
Van at LEAST say DATE Harry went Missing?
Struggle?
Someone may wanna do Reasonable Metal Detecror Search Dog Tags or Glasses ect if Tossed could still be around.
I posted time Sun Rose Harrys Day. Can mention if Harrys Date early Morning?
Ill stay away to many questions
Suggestion Only
Move Up Few Years
Harry may assumed Unwanted NEW NAME “John Doe”
Would Conder if HAVEN’T
LE or Mark would Understand You know or Located Biological Parents for Harrys DNA to bust OUT the Data Bases? John Does Found ect
Ember to Fire Up ir out OUT
Anypne ASK FBI or Matines CID to Run Harrys Prints SEE Any Activity, on FILE
Marines should or at Least Maybe have on File. Even change name Lot Jpbs require Prinra
Important Side Note
Notice Harry with Big Glasses?
Latenr Prints research Indicate have been Raised (llifted) ip to 40 Years. Research Indicates No Scientific Evidence How Long will last.
Tho Avery or Albia May wind up with the Answer..
Harry was Young Marine. As “Jim” Mentioned 2 to 3 Giys on “point to subdue no Knife Gun. Would probally Knock off Harry Struggle. Example ONLY Jim only said “Did something” with Harry.
Both Towns Probally Full tems sitting atound 60 to 80 years
Wonder LE Interest on Fingerprint training? Might be Fun find some Old Furnitire
If was Atruggle can determine may picked up glassea TOSSED 20 30 yards or into Car.
Avery and Albia Hot on TRAIL per say Handle with care. Even Locate car CONSIDER Fragile to this day.
One would think that considering all of the available resources to state & federal agencies they could figure this out. All of the Spyware & surveillance technology they use for other things could be used in these unsolved MURDER CASES.
Praying for justice for this man!
Everyone describes him as sweet & it breaks my heart to think that such a kind soul was taken like this!
Ethan was on mushrooms at the party that night.
self orrected
Marines Semper fi
Army? (me) More like “Get it Done)
Correction
SEMPER Fi
Jim
Cool. Thanks Return Post Reply. Me? Former PI Manager Miami New Orleans and DC
Independent Operator NOT for HIRE tho what involved with since 70s
l do not “hang shingle” in buisness per say
personal interest? To Long . Lots embers ect Put um out or Fire them Up
Like reading Nancy Drew Mystery cept has LIVE Brother Waiting.
Harrys case caught my attention. Anything Important? May be willing Meet and apay Expenses, room, travel, meals. Short Window tho but will pass oN as needed.
Never in News, except NO Name Case resolved; Nor No Intention
YOU? Most Direct to issue. pointed, no BS. Somewhat REFRESHING. I will be Shadow bpxing in Background per say”
my Interest Resolved Not Headlines Except “Harrys been Found like to SEE
Army to Marine this case “Simpi fi”
.
Mark Milligan
Jim BEST Clue ir Person lnterest Iv SEEN Comment Yet “jim”
Factual Obvious Revelent. They Did Something to Harry? Jim said
Time Date Large Factor for Fpllpw UP ie Hatty Missing Date ect
Car Driven Off?
Even IF Red Herring Revelrnt
Jim Why TOSS in 37 Years Later on Missing Person is Question?
Small Roewn Albia got some Interesting Cases
Russ I would love to answer each and every question you have but at this time I can’t irs not that I don’t have an answer but the people that need the information at this time needs to only stay between them and me however there are a few things I can point I grew up around the Davis family most of my life and the question about gary Richard and jb gary did not want any part of Richard and JBs doings Gary did not use his practice in any way to benefit the other two
Russ looks into Cyber Space. Knock knock, Jim you in their?
Not like Zach 2 Words gone. Figure Supernowl NEWS Chasing
Never heard reporter tell someone “Shit Up” Scratches Head
Lil Off Subject
Hey Zach srill around? May SEE Superbowl. Told Ford Think Once Look Twice “Futurlitically. Optimized. . Reliably, Driven, FORD
Excuse me Harry. Sjort Pause for the CAUSE
Jim
Mentioned 2 Eaglea Fighting Earlier 2 Birds of Feather Flock Together earlier Posting
37 yeares later Saw Harry argue, 2 men, “the car Driven OFF?
Red Hetting keeps popping up to me.
A Davis, maybe Brother who Murfered Brother their. I don’t know if same Davis Btothers
This is getting endless
Interesting
Raises eyebrow.
Lets Talk. Ill buy if using factual bassed internet address
jim
relevent
the day observed Harry argue and Car “The Car” Driven ACTOSS stteet, Was SAME Date Harry went Missing with :The Car:?.
Jim Im an IO. Anything IMPORTANT to say? Ill buy YOU Ticket Weekend Dinner meet YOU, Know few LE mighr have Interesr, or arrange meet with LE,
Not doing Much today my end.
The Poker Room Ill throw in $100 biuy i
chew the the Steak.(Fat per say) ight Ruffle FEW FEATHERS
jim
Is Richard Davis same wo killed Dtr Brother 2011 Driveway?.
ome on Jim.
Could Google address wpould prefer 1984 Visual on recall.
Why would someone Drive Car across Street? Bacck dirt road exit another roadway behinnd a Jouse?
If Davis Brother Connection Id Check who RECEIVING Presctiption Drugs. Then and NOW.
1984 Prescription Drugs Showing Up. Popular 84 still today.
IF Doctor Davis Brothers(killing)
recent video post 2 Eagles Locked together by Talons Tussling on Ground
2 birds same feather flock together. To me expressing Focal Point of Interest
jim
l found interesting
richard davis killed gary davis his brother doctor 2011 in driveway 2011(convicted)
lim WHP are YOI? How connrected?
what was the shed? you mentioned, tools ect?
any OVERJEARD Argument?
You POSTED PUBLIC left us Waiting Part 2
Can someone tell me why they wont release how he passed? This whole thing just doesn’t add up- at all. Like is there a reason they are holding the cause of death back?
Probably to validate the veracity of a tip or confession if either materializes.
Seems solvable but only if someone talks.
This is another act of violence that is tough to swallow. A young man, just starting out. Seemed like an impressive and good guy.
KA, it seems some law enforcement agencies hold back some details, on homicides. I have seen where some police agency, claim they are holding back the cause of death to protect the investigation.
Yet, we have a number of agencies that released that the person was strangled, shot, stabbed, blunt force trauma, etc. was the cause of death. So, there is nothing uniform about it. If I remember right there are three cases on this forum, where the victim was murdered, but how they were murdered is not stated.
It bothers me that holding back the cause of death, on a cold case that has not been solved for more then 20 or more years, just bugs the heck out of me. Some agencies will hold back some other detail such as a ring was missing from a victim.
They will use the excuse that they don’t want someone wandering in and confessing to a crime, that they did not commit. So, holding back some details is a way of preventing it.
Still an open case, so they will not release some details.
did anyone read that murderers obituary, should not of even been linked. dont want to give a killer any type of recognition thats anyway positive. hope he rots in hell
I had one of Julie’s sons in my Sunday school class. My heart breaks for this family and I was shocked at the time at how little media coverage this story got. Still so sad the case hasn’t been solved!
My father Franz Curtis worked as a butcher at Federal Fruit Market when I was young. I remember going to their house when I was young and knew both Connie and Maria. They were all great people!
I was wondering why my cousin Ameisha Heard’s homicide hasn’t been listed here, She was shot and killed in May 2014. There was a person of interest in her case but because witnesses back out he was let go from jail. I never got to meet Ameisha because at the time of her death I was living in Texas. It’s been 7 years for our family and no justice for Ameisha.
The only person with keys took witnesses with him to find the body?? Interesting
I am wondering about siblings; the article states he had 11 siblings, yet only identifies 8. Also, all the links only repeat the same information found in this article.
Who was the friend he spent the evening with at the Filling Station? Did that friend also walk home or did they have a vehicle? Had he done this walk home from Filling Station any other time? I assume he was walking back to his parent’s home.
That boy Anthony know what happened if he knew where the body was….period
Here’s a little more in-depth piece about the confession and arrest:
https://lawandcrime.com/crime/its-emotional-its-relieving-police-say-iowa-man-in-prison-for-burglary-confessed-out-of-the-blue-to-2012-murder-of-homeless-man/
Looks like an arrest was made in this case:
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2021/10/27/des-moines-police-department-says-inmate-confessed-killing-man-october-2012-first-degree-murder/8557488002/
It’s about TIME this case is solved.
With so many mysterious deaths and searches for someone to question, makes me wonder who are those that would be questioned in Mike’s death??? Seems like no one ever mentioned a thing about this then 1975! So much time has passed by …. It would be such a relief to get some answers. I pray that we could get some answers! Thanks to everyone who works to help families of victims get some help to help healing of these deaths.
I’m telling you the killer is from this area!! I followed Lyric and Elizabeth’s murders and told a lady on the phone they would be found by a body of water in a park.. this person has been killing people for a long time and I get the vibe that hes an older man now that EVERYONE KNOWS and wouldnt expect! I see and older truck with a camper and he has the nicest smile and vary polite! May even of owed a business in the area.. He also owns several properties in the area!
Another possible match; I just submitted to the Doe Network: Victim found 3/7/1991 and matches Matthew’s height/weight. https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/7385/details?nav
Great find. That one looks really promising.
Doe Network says that the match has actually been submitted before, and that they forwarded the information to Law Enforcement. Clearly there was no follow up by LE, because Matthew is not in the list of exclusions for that unidentified person. A different organization (The DNA Doe Project) working on that case through genetic genealogy is checking into whether he could be a match for Matthew now.
Thanks for the update, Jenni. So many things match in this case, and the physical similarities are remarkable. I look forward to hearing whether there’s a match to Matthew. The “list of exclusions” you referenced is invaluable; it saves both researchers and investigators from running out the same lead and hitting the same dead end.
Can’t they use the dna found to identify the body
FYI, this individual was determined to be a missing person from St. Louis. One less John Doe out there now.
It almost seems like a case of her seeing something she shouldn’t have and getting murdered for it. Evidence could be on the phone. Could be why no one has come forward, because their the perp & why phone is gone. This case has always bothered me. Such a tragedy..Evilness is everywhere
What if Millhouse was the one late night calling the Gosch residents hoping Johnny would pick up the phone?
Cecil DuBois was my great uncle. Not sure who see this? Was there any forensic Evidence? Maybe someone could look into this? My name is Randall Bertrand
Cicil was my great uncle. Not really sure who see this? When was the last time someone has looked at this case. Was there Forensic left that my could help? Phone 520 808 2720
Maureen Brubaker Farley’s murder was solved and the suspect George M. Smith of Cedar Rapids was identified through dna but he will not be brought to justice because he died back in 2013.
they should dig him up and desecrate his body for the public to see. deserves to be disrespected even in death
Um…..*scratching head*
CRPD announced today that they’ve closed this case. The man who murdered Maureen died in 2013 but he’d been one of their main suspects from the start. He knew her from the diner. It was solved with DNA technology.
https://www.kcrg.com/2021/10/05/cedar-rapids-police-close-homicide-cold-case-1971/
I saw this news too. Luckily the Farley family has a little bit of closure. I can’t help but wonder how George M. Smith’s family feels and if they knew he was a suspect all those years.
He knew her from the diner. I would be nice if we knew more about his background. It might provide a possible motive for her murder. He was in his early 50’s, when she was murdered.
From what I read he was a known suspect, whether or not his family and friends knew that is unknown. I’m just kind of curious if the family of George M. Smith are nodding in agreement or if they are more defensive and thinking he is innocent until proven guilty? When a police department closes a case like this is there any 3rd party review of their evidence?
https://www.broshchapel.com/obituary/5356293
According to the new this case was finally solved thanks to DNA.
Investigators linked and confirmed one suspect, George M. Smith, that had died in 2013 at the age of 94.
Smith had been identified as an acquaintance of Brubaker-Farley’s from the diner she worked at, had gone to police multiple times to inquire about the progress of the investigation, and worked at a liquor store near her apartment.
He was interviewed in 1971 and declined a polygraph test but never charged.
Sarah, your comment about him going to the police and inquiring about the investigation, reminded me of something in the book ‘Mindhunter’, by FBI Special Agent John Douglas. He was one of the leading FBI criminal profilers.
He mentioned consulting on various cases, and that the offender might be the one who interjects himself into the investigation. So, a criminal profiler might have been able to take notice of that. Mr. Smith might have have caught sooner if this had been brought up.
It also makes you wonder if Maureen’s murder was the only one he committed or were there others? He sexually assaulted her and then must’ve redressed her and washed her feet before placing her body on the car trunk. She was not wearing shoes when she was found, so did he keep the shoes as a trophy? I’d definitely be looking into other unsolved cases in the areas where he lived, see if any of them have similar M.O.’s.
Kind of makes me wonder about the Paula Jean Oberbroeckling case from a year prior to Maureen’s.
Paula Oberbroeckling was murdered at 810 5th Street S.E. on July 11, 1970. This was a prostitute’s place of residence. If you ask the question……why were Paula’s hands tied together? I would quess that Paul’s hands were tied together to prevent Paula from leaving the prostitutes’s house at 810 5th Street S.E.
Paula’s autopsy shows that her toes could have been broken. I would quess that Paula broke her toes by kicking a person who was trying to rape her. This person then killed Paula by smothering her to death with a pillow.
Was that the place they called Big Lulu’s? Wasn’t it somehow connected to the murder of US Marshal Dick McKinney in 1972?
Case solved through DNA and ancestry.com
George Smith did it. News will break soon.
This is another one that irritates me to no end.
I can hardly believe after all these years Kevin Petersen and Jeff Daily hasn’t been brought to justice is a total injustice.
Your birthday was a couple days ago and you have been on my mind a lot. I am older now then the age you were when that man took your life. Your grandson that you wanted born on your birthday, however he couldn’t wait an extra day is 25 now, just celebrated his birthday the day before yours. I wish he could have gotten to know you, I have the one picture of you & him that I treasure. Your youngest daughter has grown into a beautiful woman and she is the best mother to your 2 youngest grandchildren. I wish you could have met them, they are so stinking cute! Your sons on the other hand could really use you to watch over them. I wish I could say they are doing as well. Help them as much as you can.
Love you
Lisa
Lisa, what a beautiful tribute to your mom for what would have been her 68th birthday. It’s always so nice to hear from a victim’s family member and learn how his or her children and grandchildren went on to build lives while never forgetting the one who set them on that path. Thank you so much for sharing this with us and our readers. Your mom would be so proud.
Jody @ ICC
Jody, thank you so much for you comment. I appreciate it.
The woman who was murdered in Boone by the name of Penny did they find out who murdered her and left her son in the house. The house is or was on old highway 30
Waterloo Iowa, near a convince store, kum & Go, near a park, on a motel poperty, this could be a possibility, look into.
You remind me of my little brother. You both have similar features, and your case hits really close to home. I hope we are able to find you alive buddy, as I can barely stand this, and I am sure your family can barely either. My heart breaks for you as the months keep going and no closure to this yet. I wish someone would speak up because I know someone knows something out there. Your smile is infectious little man, all prayers towards you.
what happened with the psychic who was hired? or didn’t that happen?
It’s too bad more information isn’t available. I wonder if a FOIA request to the Webster County Sheriff’s Office could result in any information that isn’t already publicly available.
Mike D, I assume that the agency will not release any more information, since the case is still open. However, it bugs me that we have all these cold cases, and especially with homicides they quite often hold back some detail, so that a person who did not commit the crime, will not come in and confess to the crime.
Many agencies, usually hold back some details, on the murder. What bugs me, is that in some cold cases we know the caliber of the firearm used in a murder. In other cases that information is not released. Some agencies will release the cause of death information, other don’t claiming to want to protect the investigation.
I don’t know what they are protecting it from, besides they being beyond their expertise. But, then many agencies never reached out to bigger agencies for help.
We have cases that have not been solved for 10, 20, 30, 40 years or more, and yet they won’t release these small details, that might help solve a case.
if they are still holding back some small detail, it has not helped find her. But, then many agencies really never put the effort forth to investigate missing adults. Adults who disappear have not broken any laws.
But, then they should pull the case file and see if they can develop some new information, or fill in the blanks they never answered.
There was a young woman, in Texas, who disappeared over 25 or more years ago. Her father mentioned it to a constable with Harris County. He never filed a report. The missing woman’s sister, filed a report with another agency. After 22 years she asked them what they did on the report. She found that considered it a well being check, and never completed a report.
I believe the missing woman and her car were found in a body of water, a year or two ago.
There was a case in Omaha, Nebraska, where a young boy was lured away after getting off a bus. The family reported him missing to the Omaha Police Department. They never made a report or conducted an investigation.
So the family hired a private detective, who traced the boy and his kidnapper to a cabin in Idaho. So the FBI and the local sheriff officers rescued him.
So, how we handled missing persons is mess. We make a bog deal out of the disappearance of Gabby, but others never get the necessary attention, except being added to the “The Charley Project”, Redditt, Websleuths, and the Doe Network.
I wonder if Mr. Handlon is such a wanted person, why the service of the warrant was not turned over to the U.S. Marshals Service. They should be able to track him down. I wonder if he was in the scrap metal business, he may have disposed of Mr. Delaney at some facility.
Mark Handlon is definitely a felon. He stole money from me. And he was cheating scrap metal recyclers in the Quad-Cities area. He stole two trucks from lady that I live with. And he he lived there. And stole $1,000.00 plus more money from the lady & me awhile lot.
Maybe the serial killer Samuel Little? I know he was a serial killer during this time frame who murdered tons of African American women. Not sure if he was ever in Iowa but he apparently killed 90+ people.
I know Mark Edward Handlon is a felon & a thief. He stole money from me & tried to kill me in the Motel 6 motel in Moline, IL. He had such a terrible & threatening anger. And it was worse when I worked with him. Doing scrap metal business. He always said, he would watch out for me(Gary Sobie). And give me money from the work that we did. But he(Mark)always was carrying lots of money with him. But he would always keep most of it for himself & exwife(Marilee Handlon). Her address is: 4903 28th Ave, Moline, IL. And if any police department is looking for Mark. Look at his exwifes house for sure. And watch her house, because she is a co-conspirator with Mark.
I have questions. What was the name of the judge who chronicled the domestic abuse and at least partially concluded that Dave was lying? It couldn’t have been the juvenile court judge who gave custody to Dave. Or was it? Because if domestic abuse evidence, that much of it, was testified to, the juvenile court judge was incompetent to award Dave custody. And what court papers are available to the public? I don’t know if it’s progress that someone can be convicted of murder without a body found, because circumstantial evidence is a tricky and slippery slope to try a case on. But I’m surprised, given the evidence outlined here, that the county attorney didn’t bring a case. Terribly surprised. Who was the county prosecutor at that time?
All these people commenting. Where is your evidence? Especially the story of hip bone and a spine being found in the river. I guarandamntee you I would harass the cops until they told me what THAT was about. C’mon.
Also-they reunite on Labor Day because the wife wants to reconcile? Did he? Surely she confided in her friends. Sounds like they were a fairly popular couple and drug users always know alot of people.
Intetesting that Dave claimed sobriety at one point. Isn’t he in jail this very moment for drunk driving? (Monday, September 13, 2021) I bet he went to AA. I went to meetings somewhere else with a man who murdered his wife. AA is such a hide out for predators. Silly cult.
Why didn’t the family pursue a civil case against him? And at least get a verdict of damages, because they would have. And my point is not the amount they would receive. That doesn’t matter. It’s the moral victory of winning the case that shows the perpetrator and the community that he’s never going to really get away with anything.
I’m surprised the dude had the stones to stay in Cedar Rapids. And that anybody in the area would avail themselves of his services.
The 2nd wife died of cancer in 2015? At 55? Very young. That’s terrible.
My heart is with the daughter. And, no, a baby’story would never be enough to convict someone of murder. It breaks my heart that the girl was kept from her mom’s family. But I’m glad it gave them joy to finally have contact with her.
I hope Dave Fraley will at least tell his daughter the truth before he dies. Unless she had a lover, it’s pretty inconceivable to me that he didn’t kill her.
I miss you big bro and wish you was here…A to Birthday is in a couple of weeks I know your going to turn up ❤but continue to watch over us‼️LOVE YOU 🖤
It appears that Chantal Steeg has been active on facebook since the missing persons report was made. https://www.facebook.com/chantal.steeg.7
An online directory shows her supposedly living in South Sioux City. Nebraska.
The Iowa Missing Person Information Clearinghouse (MPIC) is usually the first to delete a report once the individual has been located. As of today, they still show Chantal Steeg as missing.
For the longest time, Facebook also showed Cari Farver as alive and posting. We now know Shanna Golyar impersonated Cari on Facebook after she killed her. The posts on Chantal’s page (primarily new profile pictures, one after the other, with an occasional link to an offsite article) strike a familiar chord.
As long as MPIC lists Chantal Steeg as still missing (and physically endangered at that), she remains on our Missing Persons page.
My good friend Billy worthen was wrongfully accused and treated so poorly sorry for barb and her family but also sorry for the wrongfully accused as well
I think the key here is the wallet.
Either he didn’t think he would need it for a short drive, or more probably, he forgot it when he decided to go to a specific place.
Then there is the 3rd consideration of kidnapping/robbery.
From the limited information provided I would speculate that he went for gas. The realization of forgetting his wallet is what set whatever scenario in motion. I would have first questioned the nearest gas stations.
I picture him asking for cash from someone and getting rolled or taken advantage of.
It would help if we knew what time of day he left and if his home was locked up.
I knew Patty in the early 1970s. She was so much fun and a good person. When I went to college, we lost touch. I had no idea she had been murdered until my sister shared this post on her FB. I was devastated to find out that she had been murdered and murdered so brutally.
I don’t know whether law enforcement has viable DNA that can be tested, but there are several labs that are now doing Genetic Genealogy and using DNA matches to identify one or more suspects. The first case solved using this method was the infamous Golden State Killer case.
One lab, Parabon Nanolabs has solved well over 100 cold cases in the last few years. There is a cost for their services and the investigating LE agency has to contact Parabon to start the process. I imagine the other labs offering this service operate the same way.
The most important question is whether there is DNA that was collected at the crime scene and whether the DNA has been properly stored for for 25 years.
I hope that they give Janice her own article. There might be someone that is out there that may know something.. I live in her home currently and finding out about her tragic death I feel so connected to this home and her. I wish her soul peace. We go to her grave and give her flowers that her father planted many years ago that still pop up..
Oh no, I didn’t realize that! Prayers that she is found safe!
Does anyone believe Noreen’s account of Johnny visiting her in 1997?
I just reading article dated 4/16/2021 by Leslie Thompson of the Argus Observer which is the daily newspaper of Ontario, Oregon. It talks about a bag of bones recovered and Keith Schuller was called to examine them to determine what they were. He said he used the coroner’s book to identify them as deer. Also last year another bag of bones found were determined to be a cow. Since Keith examined them could they have really been Lynn’s bones and not animal? They should have had a second opinion because of Keith’s background. What an opportunity to finally get rid of the bones if they were really Lynn’s.
His killer is dead !!!!
I find it very suspicious that LDS would block access to a TRAILER for their film on this website. A trailer is nothing more than an advertisement. In this case, FREE advertising for their product. So why block a potential sale? Somethings not right here.
The film is a joke. It’s horrible journalism. They simply looked into conspiracy theories that sound fake anyways. When the film was made the Faded Out podcast didn’t exist, and Yellow Bag hadn’t made his comments on here yet. However, there were still articles from the 80’s about Millhouse, Sykora, that guy at the mall, and the pedophile ring in Des Moines that was busted. A real journalist would have followed those leads.
Tow words and one name… Genetic Genealogy and Cee Cee Moore.
Case solved and closed.
put kenzie lyons on here she needs to be brought home…
Kenzie Lyons was found the day after being reported missing. https://www.kwbg.com/2021/05/09/boone-police-report-missing-teen-located/
I think she was found safe:
https://www.kcci.com/article/missing-dallas-county-15-year-old-found-safe-authorities-say/34556071#
Kim, she was indeed found safe, but she’s since gone missing again. Here’s an article from June 7, 2021.
https://www.weareiowa.com/article/news/local/fort-dodge-pd-dci-searching-for-missing-16-year-old-shelter-runaway-missing-medications/524-b191d953-dbcc-4846-881d-66211838babb
When I see a child missing with no pictures, no information as to details where they went missing. Just their name, location date they went missing i don’t understand why there is no picture, no information. How do they expect the public to help. Very disturbing to say the least.
Theresa, I’ve often asked myself that same question, but the info put out on many missing persons cases can be quite limited. For example, right now, there are 331 individuals listed as missing on the IDPS’s Missing Person Information Clearinghouse site. Of the 331 missing, 65 have a photo.
My understanding is that the investigating agency will provide a photo to MPIC “if” the one filing the missing person report provides a picture of the individual to LE officials at the time they file the MP report.
Missing persons photos may be emailed to mpicinfo@dps.state.ia.us, but the photo or photos will have to be verified by the appropriate jurisdiction.
Is there any DNA that can be tested in this case? Curious if the case could be reopened?
The Huelsenbecks said he had fallen and received bruises several times in the days leading up to his death.
A lot of these accusations about Babe and 1 or 2 others our stories that aren’t all true.
👉 Remember this: Once you get caught the big lie you gotta wiggle your way out of the corner your in and kiss ass. They are phony kiss ass ppl, and whenever they get caught in the big lie, they’ll try wiggling there way out kissing ass. Do not let them do that!
👉 That is true about babe always having a bodyguard but i don’t think he himself was a mobster. He may of had friends who were but i don’t think he ever joined any mafia family. He was a bootlegger at one time way back in the 30’s but who wasn’t. Most everyone was poor back in them days. Once again, a lot of these rumors about babe are stories, right?
Think For Yourself
Babe was not in the mob. He associated with some and was involved in bootlegging, etc… He had nothing to do with this murder. My guy says husband 100%.
She is my relative and I don’t remember this happening. I pray someone comes forward with the truth. She made my prom dress one year. Heartbroken.
The address of that location he was seen on camera is never given. Which US Cellular building? How far away from ASAC was he? The sister and friends on the family’s facebook group stay tight-lipped, but they could at least share more information like that. They want people to speak up, but they wont speak up. Let us help.
Somethings can make more false leads and makes it more painful anything creditable they share they know a lot but lots been disproven too
I think at this point they should follow the example of other cold cases and not think any detail is too insignificant. I get not wanting to share their theories and everything, but basic factual details are lacking. Even the question about which US Cellular building he was last caught on camera at gets multiple answers from various people.
Jodi! My heart breaks for you & your families loss!
What a senseless & sick thing for a person or people to do!
They didn’t care that that home filled with gas & would kill people!!
They just wanted money.
I’m so so sorry!
As always praying for justice for him, you & your family & loved ones!
He is always with you & I’m sure he is so proud of you & who you are & what you have done!
Charges were dropped against Roberts because he gave a false confession in this case:
https://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/murder-charges-dropped-in-dexter-meeks-slaying/
This is so sad
Maybe if the person had stopped he would still be alive.
Praying this gets solved.
I knew Sheila well in high school. She was bright, vivacious and fun to be around. That this happened to her is more than terrible and that no one was ever caught is even worse.
Iowa’s White more Powerful Proud Boys, have killed, tortured, and lynched, to cover-up their on-going contamination of 1/2 million Iowans’ Source Water. According to the State of Iowa and IDNR’s Russ Tell’s 2008 mapped out on-going “Plume of contamination” in the Cedar Valley Group Aquifers, this contamination continues to spread throughout 8 Iowa Counties, on the “LEFT” side of Iowa.
According to then Governor Branstad’s Attorney, Colon Smith, on about 2/2/2017 this Plume only affected the Bloom or Left side of Iowa, as if we were not important, or our water quality was of no value. Governor Branstad sent for two more Iowa Highway Patrolmen to escort me out of his office in our State Capital.
This “Plume” of Point Source contamination starts in Cedar (W) Township Mitchell County Iowa’s Designated National Wetland’s Aquifer Recharge Area of Sinkholes. Kleckner/Branstad’s Flood drainage channels were built to channel run-off over roads and through farms, homes, small towns, and bigger cities by the Worth and Mitchell County Engineer, James Hyde, to drain 50,000 agricultural acres faster in parts of Worth, Cerro Gordo, and Mitchell Counties.
Draining Ag nitrogen fertilizers, and long-lasting in-organic Arsenic chemicals (herbicides/pesticides) and E-Coli, Coliform, and Cyanobacteria and their deadly Cyanotoxins, along with heavy metals in Climate Changes increased floods, washing ponding water down into the drinking water source of Mitchell, Floyd, Butler, Bremer, Benton, Black Hawk, Lynn, and Johnson County Iowa unsuspecting residents.
Support the Biden/Harris Administration’s reinstatement of access to EPA and NRCS data, so my son, Adam M. Lack’s “RUSLE3” equations can again limit Point Source contamination of our US groundwater or Aquifers. Veronica M. Lack
Harris/Booker’s Anti-Lynching bill, would have made “Lynching a Federal Crime”.
Their Bill should have been passed long ago, maybe there would not have been a need for George Floyd’s Minneapolis Memorial Service, or my son’s too.
Republican’s senator’s waited until Harris/Booker were to fly to attend George Floyd’s MN Memorial. Our Republican controlled Senate, pulled this bill out of his pile of about 400 good House passed Bills, and Republican Senators smeared and bad mouthed this bill with lies, as both Harris and Booker hurried to come back from the airport to speak in its defense. Republican’s Speaker Mitch McConnell had held it in the pile backlogged, until he knew they were going to be attending George Floyd’s Service. In a blink of Republican lies, Republican Senator’s voted it down.
I’m just one of the 1,000 of mothers, still alive, waiting for JUSTICE, for our sons and daughters lives. Adam was tortured, killed or lynched and his death is still used to threaten others less powerful than the White, Powerful, Proud Boy, Legislators, Governors, and Conglomerate Corporations that still benefit/profit from Adam’s death. There has been no investigation of Adam’s lynching yet 13 years after Judge Bryan H. McKinley and Dean Kleckner’s Contractors are pictured controlling the Scene, while Adam is being tortured and killed.
Iowa Highway Patrolman, Graham Palas’ photo’s still haunt me as Judge Bryan H. McKinley and Dean Kleckner’s Mayer’s Digging Company contractors stand by joking about 8-9 hours after Adam had chased away Bradley Johnson and Brody Mitchell from my farm home on the night of 7/12/2008. Judge Bryan H. McKinley looks to be directing the scene and Kleckner’s contractors look like they are celebrating the fact that they are refusing aide to Adam still trapped. Adam’s Mom, Veronica Lack
Better picture?
The “neighbor and his child” shown in the photo above with Ashley, is my Grandfather, Albert Dumpman, holding my Mom.
This case keeps me up at night. So many things don’t add up.
Has anyone ever checked the Doe Network for Johnny Gosch or Jody Huisentruitt? I saw a man from Oregon that looked a lot like an older Johnny.
so i’ve researched the villisca axe murders and haven’t saw them in this website and i would say that the villisca case is very cold and unsolved to this day.
The Villisca axe murders are definitely on this site:
https://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/villisca-axe-murders/
Please see ChampionforLaura website and facebook. New $10K reward for information. True information from Law Enforcement.
I had no idea we have unsolved murders in Creston, Iowa.
The brothers have grown to be the finest young men I know. I am extremely proud of both of them.
My condolences to the family. I hope that you will find closure soon
I searched Mr. William Lee Halterman, born in 1959, on Ancestry.com. I found that he had connections to two different residences in Vicksburg, Mississippi. One of them is 430 Roy Young Road, which lists a Bonita Halterman, William L. Halterman (61) as homeowners and a Vernon Halterman.
Also, an address at 380 Roy Young Road, which appears to be a manufactured mobile home of some sort, which was built in 1997.
Also, he had an address of 1533 Iowa Avenue, in Chariton, Iowa. It is identified as a two bedroom house, with a detached garage. I noticed that there is West Lake in Chariton. A nice place to dump a car.
It seems that he may have lived in Waterloo, Iowa.
It also appears that he was born in L.A. County.
I am fairly certain Lee is not William’s middle name.
Lee is his middle name. This is Bethann’s daughter I can confirm some things.
Lashanda…. is your email address still the same as mentioned below? I would love for his middle name to be Lee as you stated; sadly, I am certain it is not.
Yes my email is still the same
That is his middle name. Now I’m not saying the man that Patrick researched is the guy but Lee is his middle name. I know this for a fact. It’s not even an argument point. I know the name of the man that was intimately in my life. However with that being said why are you so convinced that it’s not? What has you believing that it isn’t even though the victim’s child is confirming that it is in fact Lee.
I sent you an email to your Ilovejeeps380@gmail.com email address you had listed below.
All of the information you posted is incorrect Patrick. He’s born and raised in Warren County, Iowa. Her car was never dumped (in a lake), it’s my understanding it was traded in. But I assure you Patrick, that is the wrong William.
Jessica, If you check Shane brought up a reference to Mississippi. Also, the guy I searched had connections to Iowa.
Also, the fact that I mentioned the lake, was an observation
There are a number of missing persons who have been found along with their vehicles have been found in lakes, ponds and other bodies of water.
I completely understand how you connected the dots; however, after a podcast done in Des Moines that has Beth’s daughter, Shanda, as well as Sgt Paul Parizek giving details of Bill, where they both were employed, what happened to her Prism, etc. I can tell you with 100% certainty that William Lee Halterman, isn’t the correct William.
Would like to know the name of the person that reported it. why that during their Gathering of evidence and going over that they were able to determine that he was only hit once but so incompetent that they couldn’t even take multiple swabs for comparison. So was it incompetence or evidence tampering that caused the swabs to be useless? And if it was evidence tampering was it before or after police got there
And Alvernia Beets died this year, also. Her obit mentions that James Junior Browning (her son) predeceased her. All of the likely psychopathic perps are now dead, except for Wendell’s psychopathic, homicidal, sex offending, son Tony.
https://www.thegazette.com/obituaries/alvernia-franklin/
I meant that Tony was Colbert’s son, not Wendell’s son.
You don’t know what you are talking about because for 1 Alvernia Franklin was a great woman that had no involvement in anything any lived a full blessed life! Unlike your scary self hiding to be anonymous thinking you know something you don’t know anything about! Since you so about trying to put false allegations out here be bold and put that name out here as well!
I’ll not put my name out here because although the psychopaths of that generation are gone, there are still certain psychopath descendants and I don’t want to be the next missing person murdered by a member of the Beets clan.
So just what is a false allegation on here?
Alvernia’s son was James Junior Browning. That is indisputable. He was clearly a psychopath based upon the number, versatility, and violence of his criminal convictions. Are you saying that the newspapers made these things up? Did the police, the courts, the juries, the newspapers, and everyone collude? Of course not. James Junior Browning committed these acts. James Junior Browning — Alvernia’s son — sexually violated a number of girls in the 1960’s. Alvernia’s son also was a convicted thief, extortionist, batterer, and forger. Purse-snatching, car theft, theft of marble chips, you name it, are the diverse types of theft alone that Alvernia’s son James Junior Browning perpetrated. Alvernia’s son threatened to kill a woman he had beaten. James Junior Browning was a one-man crime wave.
And just like Alvernia’s son James Junior Browning committed the crimes that have been reported in newspaper articles over the years that have been reproduced here, various of Alvernia’s siblings have committed terrible crimes, such as Alvernia’s brother sex offender Wendell Beets committing a sex offense against a young lady who was a member of his congregation, or Alvernia’s brother Alvin Roland Beets committing murder and other crimes. Both Wendell’s and Alvin’s criminal convictions are part of the reported jurisprudence of this nation. Their criminal appeals have been published in state law reporters. Those convictions, and the facts behind them, are undeniable.
Various of the children, and grandchildren, of Alvernia’s siblings have committed terrible crimes as have been partially detailed in this page.There criminal records, as detailed in the newspapers of this state, speak for themselves. Heck, Tony Lee Beets, the son of Colbert L. Beets, and Alvernia’s nephew, attempted to rape a woman at knife-point.
Moving on, the former Cedar Rapids police chief publicly stated that Alvernia knew exactly what happened to Paula Oberbroeckling. How can you possibly deny this?
Yet you have the audacity to claim that these are false allegations and that I don’t know what I’m talking about. What a hoot! I have spent hundreds of hours of my life looking into the Beets family, mostly because of this case, but also because it is a very interesting study into a case of presumptive genetic psychopathy.
We know that psychopathy is largely genetic. Certainly, it is necessary for childhood abuse and/or neglect to really set it off and create violent people. But we know that it is largely genetic.
Given the number of crimes that the siblings, nieces and nephews, and grandnieces and nephews, of Alvernia committed, and given the extreme violent nature of those crimes, including sexual violence, I think that it’s safe to say that there is significant genetic psychopathy in the family, and that many of the children were abused behind closed doors (or, for that matter, in the presence of family members who covered up for the adult perps.).
Don’t be a gaslighter. Don’t be a false denier. Don’t be a liar. Don’t be an apologist. Don’t be an enabler.
Instead, embrace truth, science, and reason.
Wendell Beets has now died. Now the only brother left is Colbert. https://www.murdochfuneralhome.com/obituaries/Wendell-Beets/#!/Obituary
Also, that obituary is misleading, and contains at least one serious outright lie. The family continues to enable.
Can they get DNA off her clothes the sheriff said he kept?
They should test the DNA of these two children.
If they match then it had to be someone who had access to the shredder at the facility & could access it without anyone really seeing them.
What kind of evil monster would out a baby through a shredder?!
I hope they catch this evil person one day!
I pray they do!!
Praying this gets solved!
He was just walking down the street!!
The Des Moines Register reported in Feb. 2021 that foul play was not suspected. I can say as a resident of Franklin County that Ethan was brought hime after being identified and his family quietly interred his remains and not a peep has been heard since. I think he was either high or drunk or both and accidentally drove into the water and everyone is too ashamed to admit it.
Respect the deceased please ! No one knows what happened, so to say he was drunk or high is just hear say. Less there is concrete evidence then
no point guessing.
I honestly think that there were underage drinking kids and someone did see something and no one had the guts to try and save him or say anything because they were all parting to much and did not want to get caught and go to jail, and by it sitting in water for 7 years all evidence will be gone, BESIDES they said his body was in the back seat hmmm does that not ring suspicion here. and yes I am respecting Ethan because in really why has this not been thought of by someone it’s the only logical explanation of why was he in the backseat and all windows were up…
Bodies are found in the back seat most often because the heaviest part of your car is the engine and most waterways have an incline to their depth. It’s only logical the engine would sink furthest due to weight and be in deeper than the rear because that would be the direction the car would normally be going.
Now since the car is pointing down at this incline the body wil float to the highest point (the rear roof) until all the gasses are realeased and it gradually floats down.
Of course if they are strapped in and/or going backwards this wouldn’t apply.
I’m telling you after putting some pieces together, actions of police, and investigators. I really think they didn’t want the evidence or the victim to be found. I feel that this is a real cover up. He was working on computers and data. Can you imagine the information he may have had access to. Something very fishy here. It could have been an individual foul play or a conspiracy piece of the pie. In today’s political war and things going on right now that are getting crazy, I seriously would consider a conspiracy plot. The body language of the police chief and others was not favorable. Actions speak louder than words. Someone or some people didn’t want Ethan to be found .
The car was intact with a full windshield when the Adventures with Purpose crew found it. After being forced off the property for a day, they were allowed back onto the property just as it was being pulled out of the water. The windshield somehow was mysteriously missing when it emerged from the water, leading me to believe that it had been popped to remove evidence (of an inside job I assume). The body was located in the back seat which rules out the theory of Ethan accidentally driving into the pond. I also think this may have been a cover up, considering that the sheriff told Adventures with Purpose that the pond had already been searched by the county and basically inferred that it would be a waste of time to search again. All of the secrecy and suspicious activity by the authorities in this case has me wondering what really happened. Something doesn’t seem right. Then, after his body was found and identified, there was a quick declaration of ‘no foul play suspected’ and then silence. How can foul play not be suspected when he was found in the back seat?
True .. why else would he be in the back seat and if he was leaving to go home First instinct when you’re leaving to go somewhere you start your car put your seatbelt on in the net seatbelt I may be wrong but I’m not the only one thinking it
according to the people who found him, most people who are not wearing seat belts tend to end up in the back of the car. i dont know if their body floats back there or he tried to get out as the car was filling and went to the back seat. its just sad though it took that long to find him
In their video you can see that the windshield was broken when they found the car under water. They just didnt show it. So it’s not correct that it was mysteriously missing.
The crew of AWP said that sometimes bodies are found in the back when they don’t have a seat belt on.
That is exactly what I am saying I watched Jared clear that car all windows were in tack none broken not one than they refused to let AWP back there and the front window is out Ethan in the backseat maybe one of the cops kids murdered him that night and now he is being protected. its bull crap besides the police were crappy to AWP because they did the job better then their own county 7 years ago.. I just wished I knew if this was ever completely solved after everything was done or is this an still ongoing investigation. I know how these things go with them hiding evidence.
Watch it again. As soon as they swim up on the car you can see for a brief second that the windshield was missing when they found it.
Something is up for sure George.
Try OR plates 035 GGY
I have seen Johnny’s photo so many time and now to know the circumstances, I’m very interested in him being found.
Please do not say hurtful things about his mom. No one can imagine what she’s been through unless you were in her shoes.
For her sake, I will pray for answers.
Noreen has viciously and falsely accused people of kidnapping Johnny just because they made her mad. That includes her ex, the police chief, a journalist, and even a private eye who all tried to help find Johnny. Sorry, but her victim card is wearing thin after all the crazy nastiness she has shown to others.
Pretty much all of those people who you mention made themselves a suspect in the kidnapping by their own actions:
* Noreen’s ex-husband Leonard John Gosch lied about numerous aspects of the case and his own involvement, and was accused by several witnesses of involvement in the Franklin network: http://cavdef.org/w/index.php?title=Johnny_Gosch_abduction#Father.27s_involvement
* The police chief Orval Cooney supervised an abysmal investigation that failed to even acknowledge Johnny had been kidnapped, was involved in prior misconduct such as police brutality and fixing an investigation for his son (https://www.newspapers.com/clip/19551322/speaking_out_p1/), and shoplifted “blank videotapes” and “screw hooks” (why?) from a Target store after his resignation as chief (https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27064185/orval_cooney_shoplifting/)
* The “private eye” Sam Soda lied about the Gosches hiring him when he actually inserted himself into the investigation without their prompting. He had connections to the Mafia, and was able to both acquire and show child pornography in public yet face no consequences; Ron Wheeler, the first assistant Polk County attorney who let Sam off the hook, later went into private practice and defended Sam on charges of beating his teenage stepson (https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27525831/the_des_moines_register/). Sam told several lies on Faded Out, including the aforementioned falsehood about the Gosches hiring him and claiming Mary Bock was in the room with him during his Frank Sykora interrogation despite Bock herself telling Faded Out that she wasn’t; he also rather suspiciously tried to get Sarah to stop looking into Yellow Bag’s theory of Johnny being targeted by pedophiles at the Des Moines Register. And the Gosch family’s own suspicion of Sam was shared by both Noreen and LJG at the time (https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34484387/gosches_ltte_sam_soda/), despite what LJG tries to claim now.
Not sure what “journalist” you’re referring to, but given that everyone else you mentioned was justifiably suspect in Noreen’s eyes, I have a feeling that they were as well.
Another Des Moines good ol’ boys club member? It’s no wonder crimes of this nature go unsolved in those places- no one has the guts or open mind to see the plain truth because it is too scary for them to believe evil walks among us as mild mannered plain looking folks. Or they know the truth and don’t want it coming out.
Well said. I dont know what i believe but i’d never say anything about a missing kid’s parent.
Any way these could be the work of Ted Bundy? His victims were often around college campuses.
This case should be investigated…. ! It’s a cover up for sure!
RIP Kimmie my sister Kim I miss you soo much Happy bday in heaven today.Tell Mom,Dad,Steven,Michael,and little Larry the second we miss you guys every second! Love your sister,Terrie(nickname) I wish you would have met your niece Natalia,and my husband Monte I love you 😘 Love Always and forever your sister Teresa
It’s clearly the wife. He caught her naked in bed with the guy & was shot & killed.
Probably by the guy but she clearly wasn’t “scared” of him because she was seen talking to him in that shirt the police found in her apartment.
She was ALL about that money when he died too so clearly it was all about the money & being with another guy for her.
He was given 10+5 for rape and murder and he’ll probably only serve part of it,why? they had him cold,DNA last person with her,I’m so sickened,a habitual criminal with very little job history, just watch,he will kill someone else,her little girl has no mother.
The FBI and my local PD have been given all the info placed on this site and more. WH.gov has been contacted as well. Cybercrimes?
Mr.Body,I’ve turned your info over to the local police and the Iowa cold case folks. I’m hoping your tracked down aand prosecuted, you will be caught, your actions are psychopathic and will be looked @. You are traceable, have a great day, and if I were you, better lawyer up, your going to need one. We don’t say this BULLSHIT here in the great state of Texas, ol and the FBI is informed as well
you should contact adventures with purpose for the missing people they could help you search the rivers
Two of the perpetrators died, where is the third one?
We’re is daily??
Is he still alive?!
I think both Daily and the elder Petersen brother are still alive. I could be wrong though.
This whole situation sounds sooo shady!
It sounds like a cover up.
This poor girl was kidnapped & possibly raped.
Then they murdered her by beating her to death, then claimed she “died” in a random car accident…that never happened.
THEN her parents who were trying to get justice for their daughter end up “mysteriously” dead in a fire, however no one can explain how the fire got started.
Praying this gets solved.
He was just trying to work for his family & provide & his life is cut short for what?!
What did they even get?!
God will judge them.
He didn’t do anything to anyone & still someone must have thought there was money in that apartment to be breaking in left & right.
I pray that the murderer is caught & if he isn’t punished in this life time he will be in the next!
It doesn’t seem that there’s a lot of info on this case.
It breaks my heart when it doesn’t list family.
My heart goes out to this man.
I feel like he was lone in the world.
I wonder if he was an orphan.
Praying they solve this one!
Praying they catch the person or persons who did this!
I think the person or people who did this prepared for it since they got a rug & other items to try to conceal the body.
Praying for justice for this poor women!
They have DNA so why not test it?!!
Was the baby a boy or a girl?
They can get a sample & use DNA to find out what happened.
This poor little baby deserves justice & to just leave a baby is SICK.
I think it was someone from the VA!
Someone who knew his nephew.
He talked to people about how much money he had & they tracked him down & killed him.
So sad!
Praying for justice!
That begs the question of where did the phone call come from. Did Amos have a phone, and the offender wanted Amos to be found. However, we hear nothing was missing, and then the DCI suggests that robbery might have been a motive.
It was obviously him if they saw him leave her house RIGHT before the fire… the jury got it wrong.
So sad!
I wonder if he is still alive today.
Praying!
Praying to justice!
Praying they can arrest the man who did this!!
Sick & evil to molest a child!!
Praying to justice!
Penny, praying with you!
What an evil person!!
Maybe it was someone or a group of people that asked for e drink of water just to get into his house?
Maybe that’s why he was killed in the kitchen?
this is fredricks sister ashley we are all worried sick about him and would like help to find him people lets all work together to find out stuff and if anyone knows anything please come forward with imfortmation i would like to know what happend and we need closer we arent asking for much
Please get help , your humor is not needed on here. Maybe your the guilty one or have a guilty conscience???
Reading questions about how the father of Patricia Scott could have even been aware of Donna Sue while he was in town for only a week. My grandparents lived a couple of blocks from where this all happened and my dad and all of his siblings grew up in the neighborhood. Very strong Catholic community at St. Bonifice. Wouldn’t doubt that he could have attended church with the family while in town, possibly to find a small child, and saw her there. It would not have taken much to locate the family and scope out the house.
That is good information. I’m going to see if I can’t find any records of members at that time.
Have you looked into the name C.K. Sullivan?
He was probably a Peeping Tom
How was her kidknapping so perfectly timed then? Someone had to know when she was put in her bed from the other side of the house. The opposite side the man who took Donna Sue came from…
If it was your biological Father you would take more seriously, I disagree with your comments.
I have since looked at a bigger computer and my tablet has better views then the desk top. I hope they don’t brush this off because their not seeing it!
After watching some of the adventures with a purpose, one show talked about a google maps find in Florida of a car in the water. Since I’ve heard of this story years ago sticking in my head I researched for any updates on Dale being found. Not not able to sleep I played around on google maps and looked up and down the river banks. I’ve boated that river for years and know some basics of the river flows. I spotted a red color. Spot on the screen up river from the Iowa side boat ramp but down street from the big Sioux inlet. I called in to the phone number listed and gave them the latitude and longitude numbers. The lady and I talked over the location but the views are tough to see and I don’t know if she was seeing what I saw. I took a photo of the better shot that I saw , but she didn’t seem to want to see it or have me send it to her, but I hope I’m wrong. I will share it with other authorities when I’m back home from the holidays and try a look on a better computer then my tablet!
First i want to send my condolences to Micalla and her family along with Adam. Have they found out where the bullet came from exactly? I know it’s says more then likely someone shooting or hunting but this case kind of remains me of a case i saw the other day on unsolved mysteries about a woman who was shot but survived on a rural road in Connecticut in the late 1980s i know chances are slim but is it possible it could’ve been the same man? https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Brayman_Road_Attacker
Basing information off of previous comments, a sibling of one of the people mentioned has a history of lascivious acts on children. Using old newspaper articles, I found at least 5 charges brought against him. Obviously just inferring here, but that behavior was learned somewhere.
Is it true that the those brother lived in Dubuque at the time? Maybe West 5th St?
Miss you little brother. We will one day meet again. Rest in peace. Lynea
If the murders were related to their sexual relationship, Pietism would have been examined and the hardcore Pietists would have been questioned and investigated. This could explain the beating about the head and face for their thought processes not fitting the self-righteous killer.
How did they discover who killed Kaiden? Did Ms. Michael turn herself in or did they use cell phone records to find out who was using their phone at that time and place?
Even though this is a 59 year old case, consider that a 65 year old case was solved in 2021 through DNA technique. In 1956, Kenneth Gould murdered and raped Patricia Kalitzke. Gould, who was never considered during the murder investigation, died in 2007, and was cremated. However, his children volunteered DNA, and using a single sperm cell and genetic genealogy, the connection was made to Gould.
In the case of Ramona Jean Cox, the following forensic evidence was gathered: 1) multiple hairs left by the murderer at the crime scene; 2) a t-shirt left by the murderer at the crime scene; 3) skin matter taken from under Ramona’s fingernails; 4) whatever biological material was gathered by rape examination. And, even if the DMPD lost the evidence inadvertently, the FBI may still have the hair and analysis work that they did.
I had to stop at Iowa Methodist Medical Center today, and after leaving, I drove over and parked in the east side parking of the Hoyt Sherman place. I walked from 680 15th Street down to the location where the 15th Street sidewalk met the Woodland sidewalk, back in 1962. From that location, I stepped off across Woodland, on a diagonal to where I was immediately in front of the location where 1526 Woodland stood back in 1962. Fifty steps, and figuring each step was an average of 3 feet, calculates to 150 feet. It was a shorter distance than I had remembered. I walked between 1530 Woodland, which still exists, and the west end of the apartment building next to it on the east. This is the pathway the murderer of Ramona Cox took that night back on April 29, 1962. The concrete walkway is no longer there, but a stone wall separates the properties. The landscaping behind is totally different. I walked east in what had been the alley to 15th Street, and over to the corner of 14th Street Place, where the grocery store had been in 1962. The whole route was dramatically shorter than what existed in my memory.
Does seven bridges have a target shooting area? If so, gun enthusiasts should be looked at, in addition to hunters
It doesn’t have a dedicated area for target shooting, but it’s of note that the girls were discovered on the first day of deer hunting season. Seven Bridges is basically just a road that loops around the forrest nexts to a river. It’s not really a destination or a place anyone knows about except for locals.
This story was an episode on The Swords and Scales Podcast. The story has always haunted my heart and head. Child Sex Trafficking is REAL and PROTECTED by the detail oriented system that runs this WORLD WIDE OPERATION. Usually involving and operated by people with power, money and fetishes. While being protected by fellow members in all areas applying to life. Ex: Police officers, Teachers, Lawyers, Government Employees, Child Protection Services, Hospitals, Doctors , Nurses, Dentist, Daycares, Nurse Practitioners, Non Profit Groups, Coaches, Truck Drivers, Domestic Violence Protection Shelters, Actors, Singers, Pilots, Captains, Army, Politicians and many other positions that are automatically respected and trusted by us Americans because that’s what we where raised to believe and never doubt. In this episode Eugenes mother repeatedly states that the detective and police officer’s didn’t make her feel heard, respected, taken seriously and was being questioned more then being answered. So much that she hired a Private Investigator. She continued her own hunt for answers even when she was continually shut down or even mocked by her possible theories, fears and overall mother’s intuition. She also states that after months/years of the investigation she had her own doubts and suspicions about Eugene’s father involvement and how the entire investigation was handled and cared for. The end of the podcast we learn that all of his mothers efforts finally paid off in a way she could never imagine. It was Eugene either going to see her or contacted her explaining that she had to stop looking for him. That he was involved in this huge operation that he has a certain role with power and that his mothers fight for him was endangering his life with his new “family” members. So much that he told her to please stop so that he would remain safe in his now normal everyday life. So she did what any mother would do to protect her son- she LISTENED and LET HIM GO. I encourage everyone to listen and hear the pain in this moms voice telling her story. Where do you think these boys that pretend to love girls and promise to give them a better life come from? They are kidnapped- trained and purposely chosen for what ever role they will become and then eventually train others to do. It’s very interesting to me that all missing children in Iowa are mainly Caucasians. In Illinois where I was raised it’s mainly African American girls and some boys. In California where I was born it’s mainly Hispanic women or young star eyed teens who believe that they can be made into a movie star model or living in poverty and promised a better life. I can stand rooted and calm saying all this because I believe in my heart this is our worlds BIGGEST problem. Coming from a woman who’s then 3 year-son was sexually abused and coached by his then 12 year old half brother to perform sex acts that I fortunately walked in on while he was having parenting time at his fathers. Also found strange Craigslist ads posted by my sons father that were in code that a lawyer once told me I needed to dig deep into the meaning and it’s hidden codes. Forensic exams, rape kits, intense therapy, orders of protection, court orders, DCFS involvement, a verbal statement made by my son to counselors, doctors, Dcfs, nurses and the detective who was assigned our case. Nobody listened except our therapist, who wanted to do anything she could to have this boy heard and protected- but had to be so careful as to how to have him heard, while having to jump hoops and hurdles to have the system work for him not against him. It’s not enough for a mother to witness it, report it, and then have her son explain in detail in a forensic exam to be told there was NOT ENOUGH evidence. That me constantly coming in 36+ times to report new information, disclosures, and overall fear of her sons safety was focused on more then the alarming fact that a 12 year old boy was sexually abusing and coaching a 3year old boy- While his father was home and present. In the suburbs of Chicago.I keep journals. I write down everything he wants to tell me- 2 years later geared around safety, structure and rebuilding has brought him to new level of realization and a higher state of concern that if what all my son says is true I’m so grateful I was able to listen, believe and react in a way that has given us a fresh, safe healthy start. However has me fearing for his future because this is an organized, detailed, system of checks and balances. If we don’t stand up, raise our voices, talk about what is uncomfortably true and real, and protect ALL CHILDREN’S LIVES! EVERY CHILD’S LIFE is a target for the dark side we live amongst. Hopefully my truth will open doors for others truth. Or the more information we can collect we can unite and fight.
What an incredible tale of woe. I hope you are getting the treatment/ medication you seem to need so desperately. Take care.
I’m sorry Amanda who is this message aimed for? Are you a doctor?
Danielle Kelly; I would like to hear the podcast of Swords and Scales. Can you tell me how to find it?
Steve peacock ran me over with a motorcycle when i was 4 years old. He broke both bones in my left leg. He was never charged or held accountable. He said i jumped in fr9nt of the motorcycle. When there is a 4 yr old on a path playing with dolls, you dont speed up! You stop! He Sped up! Somehow im not not dead.
YOU ARE LUCKY HE DIDN’T RAPE YOU, I’M SURE STEVE PEACOCK DOES NASTY THINGS TO KIDS
I think it’s worth noting that a member of the family said something to the effect of, “I’m not sure whether Steven and David would be capable of something like that.” The mother explained she suspects four people who were not present at the bar that night. I think of blind spots and how a kind, gentle tone and the right language can be more convincing than a statistical likelihood of guilt. It’s a a subtle, tactical appeal to emotion, and these are the individuals people need to watch out for. If he got away with running a four-year-old over, then I can imagine what else he’s gotten away with and how. My opinion related to what TB said specifically.
My father Dennis Ross Harmon was the killer of the Delphi girls give me a call at 502-965-3372 Dennis Ross Harmon was his name and my younger son Dylan
Have they called you?
Why isn’t your name listed as a surviving son in his obituary??
Right /s
My best theory:
The man in the living room at 7:30-7:45 pm, dressed like the murderer who fled at 11:00 pm, is the murderer.
The man is an acquaintance of Cox, or she wouldn’t have let him in.
He drops by, and promises not to stay long, since it was Sunday night, and the work week would soon begin. She lets him in and they chat briefly.
He may have gotten aroused.
He notices the open bedroom window, and plans a return to rape.
He leaves the apartment before 8:00 pm.
This accounts for Mrs. Grismore not hearing anyone with Cox, when she went to bed at 8:30 pm.
This accounts for Cox getting into her pajamas, and curling her hair, since the visitor had left.
This accounts for Cox not mentioning the man in her telephone talks with Norma Jean Higgins, at 7 pm and 8 pm, since the conversations focused on the dress she was making, and the man was only there briefly.
He returns about 10:45 pm, in the same clothes he wore earlier.
He parks his car parallel with or behind any car at 1526, as it is likely there was no parking space available.
He does not park in the alley, as attention would be drawn to the vehicle, and it could result in an interruption if he was blockading anyone.
He enters through the open bedroom window.
He discovers the linoleum knife which Cox had brought into the apartment to use, and left in the bedroom.
He decides he has to kill her since she could identify him.
The mayhem begins, and he escapes to the back alley, and drives his car away.
Because his car was parked close enables a quick getaway.
This explains why the bloodhounds only track to the alley.
As my high school friend and I were talking with the clerk in the neighborhood grocery store, I seem to remember the clerk looking out the window behind him, on the east side of the building, and indicating he saw a shirtless man running by, north on 14th Street Place. We could see nothing from the customer side of the counter. The newspaper account on 04/30, indicates the police used bloodhounds for tracking, early Monday morning. Although nothing was reported by the newspaper regarding the results, since the escape route would be only hours old, it would be interesting to know what those bloodhounds detected.
The above article states he was survived by one daughter? He has 3. No evidence to prosecute? Fragments of my father’s skull were found in James Burroughs boot!!! They had plenty of other proof to use to prosecute. I think there is a lot more to his murder.
I’m so sorry for your loss!
It sounds like his murderer has died now.
God will judge that evil man!
According to the 05/04/62 Tribune, p. 9, Ramona had moved into 1526 Woodland in February. Thus, she had only lived there for 2 months by the time of the crime. It is likely she had moved from 930 Bancroft on the “near” south side, where the Aug 1961 Des Moines phone book lists her. Unless there had been an in between move. Not likely.
All times are approximate as reported in the newspaper:
10:45 pm a woman’s scream is heard from 1526 Woodland;
11:00 pm a man jumps from the bedroom window at 1526 Woodland;
11:15 pm the police find Ramona Cox dead in her living room at 1526 Woodland.
At about 10:55 pm my high school friend and I walk from his apartment at 680 15th to the corner of 15th and Woodland and turn east heading for the grocery store at 14th Street Place and Woodland. We couldn’t have known that across the street and three doors to the west, a murder-rape was taking place. We saw no one out that night except us. By the time we walk east and reach the point where we can see south on 15th Street, we see two guys in a car coming north towards us. They turn onto Woodland heading west and were in a hurry. I’m sure this was Charles R. and his friend who drove him back to 1530 Woodland, after looking for police. Charles enters 1530, and he and Sharen C. and Jackie P. come outside. The women are sitting in his car and Charles is standing next to it when a man jumps out the bedroom window at 1526, and flees south into the back alley and heads east to 15th Street, where he stops running to tuck his shirt in, under a street light, before resuming his escape. My friend and I are in the grocery store buying cigarettes and candy while this is taking place. At about 11:10 pm we see a police car speeding by east to west on Woodland with his light flashing, no siren. At this point we leave the store and walk back to the NW corner of 15th and Woodland. It wasn’t long before there were four squad cars. One of the officers walked over to us and asked what we were doing out at that time of night and we said we had gone to the grocery store. Then he asked us if we had seen any one out and about in the neighborhood, and we told him no. We asked what was going on, and he told us he couldn’t tell us. It was obvious the police were checking out the gray house at 1526 Woodland. We didn’t find out what was going on until the next morning when we saw the DM Register headline: “Woman, 25, Slain in Home”.
Praying for justice.
I wonder who knows she had those bonds on her?
Apparently, Jackie P. passed away in 2003, and Charles R. in 2018. Two of the three witnesses that saw the murderer jump from the bedroom window at 1526 Woodland, at approximately 11:00 pm on 04/29/1962.
Hey pat. Buddy, you sure sound suspicious right bow
So someone kept him in that barn & hurt him over the course of two days.
Very sick!
Praying for justice!!
Don’t hold your breath.
This is so sad!
He wrote in blood that the killer was black & older.
He tried to describe the killer.
Praying for justice!
With a limited amount of information, the only person I saw on the Doe Network that could POSSIBLY be the un-id male is Daniel Jess Goldman. He is from Florida, however, but from the research I did the Mississippi goes through Florida and flows into the Missouri river. Obviously I’m not saying this is the for sure identification, just a POSSIBLE identity. It’s hard to know though with only having his skin tone.
… and to think all this time I was under impression the Mississippi River flows North-to-South (like all but around 20 in the US) from MN and drains into the Gulf of Mexico, never coming anywhere near FL, and it’s the Missouri River that drains into the Mississippi River…
Praying for justice for this poor old women!
This makes me sick!!
For no reason at all but just for money!!
Nothing just evil!
“Schuster said she’d learned Jane Doe wasn’t a match after she’d called NamUs. She said she also called the Waterloo Police Department, who told her they had a police report from September 6, 1983 that her sister had filed,” If Viola filed a police report in Waterloo on Sept 6, wouldn’t that mean she made it back to Iowa?
Find out if Mason City has a Cold Case Unit and try contacting them. Prayers…
A lot of people who were listed as missing on this page have been taken down. What happened to the kid with the surname Nissen?
Anon, Brian Nissen’s case was removed from both the IDPS’s Missing Person Information Clearinghouse site, and his case also removed from NamUs, which means for whatever reason, they no longer consider him missing. I cull through our Missing page frequently, and when I see they’ve been removed from the other two sites (some don’t even make it to NamUs), then I remove them from ICC’s “Missing” page. A lot of our missing people don’t have personal case summary pages because there’s so little info about them online. The MPIC staff with the state are adding and deleting names from their database every day.
I wonder if it had something to do with local politics too since he was running.
Maybe someone really thought he was a threat?
This is so sad!
Praying this gets solved so the family can finally have peace
Someone in politics?
I think they need to exhume the body & get better DNA from the bone marrow.
Also, could they test the fetus as well?
The leading cause of death for pregnant women is murder & many times it’s the baby’s father who doesn’t want the baby.
It’s tragic & sick.
Praying that they find the killer!
From what I have been able to gather from personal research i have done in this case, no one is sure where she was buried, just that it was an unmarked grave somewhere in Clinton County. So sad to me that she has been basically misplaced and likely will never be identified.
This case has fascinated me for years and I continue to come back to it over the years.
She deserves a marker…
Totally agree, I’ve tried to do more research to see if I could possibly locate where she was buried but there are so many cemeteries in Clinton County, it’ll take a miracle to even find the cemetery, let alone her unmarked plot.
I wonder if the coroner report of her death would show where show where she was buried. I assume they had some sort of protocol for these situations.
I would try and contact them, and see what information they have. They may not release some information, but they should be able to share what the process was back when she was found.
I know the the unidentified or unclaimed remains from the Cook County Medical Examiners office, are buried in certain cemeteries, in the Chicagoland area.
Recently the Cook County Sheriff’s Police identified an individual, who identified as a man, and had used the name Seven, as a female Army veteran. The self identification as a male, may have been caused by some mental health issues. This is an assumption on my part.
They spent time trying to fill in the blanks of her life. They found she married another member of the U. S. Army, but found no record of a divorce. They were unable to fill in all the blanks.
How are government in Fort dodge iowa, can’t solve cases, locking up innocent, it’s a prejudice movement against the dead population!! They to busy taking money, not improving the community…!!! Living in mansion, pushing their authority in the wrong way in Iowa….
does anyone know the address of wilbur millhouse?? (yes i know hes dead)
Idk exact address but know exactly which one was his first house on the south side of maury past se23rd (I think it’s 23rd) drive by there often
His address was either 2553 or 2453 Maury St. in Des Moines at the time. I’ve seen it listed both ways in clippings, but I know the Maury St. part is correct.
Angela Marie Altman, was this the lady that lived across the old faraway store, in a white house, her boyfriend/ husband told her he would be right back, she responded yes..!!
Mrs, Altman was alive when her boyfriend/ husband was walking toward the flats. I always wondered what happened to this case.?? He’s fully innocent…!!! I hope they find the real young boy that caused this tragic, a teenager.. ” under age individual “
Praying for justice for this man!
rest in peace lisa
I knew her a little bit when i was 7 and 8 (1976 and 1977).
she was very nice and good to me and I would never believe she was a prostitute.
If there was foul play involved then what does that mean with the other two friends named above “Jerri Lee Connelly” and “Patrice Waddell” as far as being related as that is pretty strange.
they all new each other and within 4 months they all are dead.
after more thinking i first new her at a different house by 12th street where i was even younger and the year was close to 1974
Praying for justice!
Hoping they can still use the DNA & get a conviction!
Also, it would be very helpful to know who those two men where who left the restaurant around the time she was murdered
Praying for justice!
I can’t imagine coming home to find your husband dead.
It’s so odd that this case ties into the other case with Gary & his wife.
Praying for justice!
What a senseless & evil thing!
Why would anyone want to murder an old man?!
Praying for justice!
Why does her dad say she is in Omaha NE
Praying for justice!
I thought name calling wasn’t tolerated.
There’s alot of abuse on this thread that needs to be removed.
What would it take to open up this cold case. They need to go back and look at everything. Use the new equipment. I wish they would look into this. They have forgotten Lynn she needs justice. Very sad. And Kieth is over here enjoying life.
Can we contact records and get the police report . I would like to get the police report in it.
Sorry if this has already been mentioned. Can they run or have they been running cars VIN numbers?
said they did lol(scroll)
Missing Report taken Harry and VEHICLE should ENTER VEHICLE VIN into National Crime Information Center Data Bank. Someone ATTEMPTS Reregister “BINGO per say
Even on Reopened Case Should be DONE again. At Least make SURE proper VIN was Entered 1sr TIME. Good Question
Yes. Some of Noreen’s statements seem very far fetched. However the situation and the mental anguish and evil tricks played on her have pushed her over the edge. By no fault of her own. I have great sympathy for her. I can’t imagine the hell she has been througj.
I don’t think there’s any evidence that Noreen has been mentally unwell. Farfetched does not equal false, and what Noreen has said about Johnny’s case, as outlandish as it might seem to some people, is logically consistent and does check out. She has frequently explained the multitude of evidence backing up Paul Bonacci’s involvement in her son’s abduction, such as his knowledge of Johnny being photographed prior to the kidnapping, his awareness of a suspicious van being in the neighborhood that morning (which, funnily enough, Faded Out podcast witness Chris Birge inadvertently confirmed while trying to deny it; https://www.reddit.com/r/JohnnyGosch/comments/e948gx/chris_birge_and_the_sighting_of_a_van/ explains this more), and his identification of Sam Soda as a perpetrator when Sam had been suspected by the Gosches for years prior. More information about how much Noreen and Paul Bonacci’s versions of events actually check out can be found here: http://cavdef.org/w/index.php?title=Johnny_Gosch_abduction
Then why hasn’t Bonacci been arrested. I read somewhere that he is doing well, has children.
That’s a question for the West Des Moines police to answer. With the volume of evidence backing up Paul Bonacci’s story, it’s inexcusable that they didn’t even interview him, instead deferring to perjury charges against him that the state of Nebraska *dropped*, and later relying on the recollection of unidentified family members a whole 10 years after the kidnapping to claim he couldn’t have been out-of-state when it happened. The WDM police hopped from excuse to excuse not to speak to Bonacci, as if they could afford to be picky in a case that had been cold for a decade.
Were Bonacci’s story to finally be taken seriously by LE, though, it is unlikely he would be held as culpable, given his account that he was forced into assisting the kidnapping: both physically at gunpoint and mentally by being a victim of the Franklin ring nearly since birth.
Makes sense. Thanks.
fake news
She was aquitted.
I don’t see a motive here. Very strange.
they are letting them off agian and the state still wont let me talk to my kids i have had about enough of the shit i need help
Yeah. What are they doing to solve this?. DNA?. No mention of the sex or race of this baby. Not much to go on to get the peopke responsible. I’ll never understand going through all of the pregnancy to kill it and dump it. Stupid. They will pay.
Melanie, there was very little information available when I added this case to the site years ago, but it has been confirmed by the Story County Sheriff’s Office and the State Medical Examiner’s Office that the baby was a white male with red/auburn hair. Height and eye color could not be determined.
NamUs added the case to its database in March 2024, though it’s not mentioned whether they have DNA on file. The infant’s body was in an advanced state of decomposition when found.
A heartbreaking case all around. Jody @ ICC
Big man likes to kill animals. Evil SOB! guilty. Murderer. Takes a big man to shoot someone and animals that will kill you because you have a gun
You’ll get yours on earth or after big man.
I think it was someone she knew. The dog is to be of note. I believe the “This” written was a statement that they were killed because of what they were doing. “This” is why they are dead. I just don’t think it was random. The overkill. Personal. The violence and murder weapon used. Very brutal. Like someone was very angry. It doesn’t appear robbery was a motive. No one chooses an axe or the like for a weapon for a robbery. No forced entry. No one heard anything which I do find strange.
I was Rose’s best friend. It could have been someone mad at her, but Roger is the one that was married. So, that in itself meant people , if they knew or found out would have been very angry. His wife’s family was a very strange, some evil bunch. I really think it was either done by the wife’s close family members. Or they paid someone to help. I hope that the DNA that was found can be used to do genealogy. That would bring us to the killer even if they are already deceased. I just need to know who, that will tell why. It has been going on 41 years, we just need the answers!
Why haven’t they tested the DNA yet?!
Evidence now. No. I am sure she smothered them. No marks. Looks like SIDS. MSBP wasn’t diagnosed then. Yes there was a mother finally caught after many babies died. They were all considered a genetic problem. But she killed the last one. Adopted. I can’t remember her name.
Being a prison was nearby has anyone searched released prisoners.
Sue, I checked Floyd Cramer and came across a Find-A- Grave entry for him. It basically has the date he died 12/9/1960. It appears the Des Moines Police made no effort on his supposed murder.
I use that term, since there is no mention that an autopsy was conducted to determine a cause of death for him.
This doesn’t fit the Gosch or Martin disappearances. First they were paperboys.Different circumstances. And I don’t believe Marc was the same person. And second they were never found. This guy apparently had no fear of that.
Heads up. Don’t trust the mods especially Trish on Webslueths. She spends donations on herself. From former members it is referred to as “Jonestown”. Trish goes to the Casino. She also splits the money with her mod pals.
Bundy. No. Bundy was never said or known to be in Iowa. Even at Bundy’s own admissions they would be looking at 3 digit victims in 6 States. Iowa was not one. Oregon, Washington, Utah, Colorado, Vermont and Florida. And none of the “Waverly” would have been on his escape to Florida. I’m really not sure the 3 are connected. Spaced that far A part?. Especially Valerie. I can see the last 2. But once serial killers get started they don’t have a 4 yr lapse. And usually killers kill in the same age range. Valerie was a child. I think it was someone she knew. But who?. Alot of people have motorcycles in cold weather states. The person was smart luring her away from the pool. No witnesses. Around alot of people that would notice anything strange. Perpetrator still alive?. It’s possible. But I think they are not. I also think this person went to prison for something. Just a feeling. So sad. I just turned 1 when she was murdered.
Bundy wasn’t in VT though.
Pietro the father died in 2005 same year as the mother. Not the daughter, The victim.
With little information there is no hope for identification. Also I would bet they have discarded his remains by now.
There really is no information out there on this man. I certainly don’t think it was random. But no mention of any other suspect than the man they couldn’t tie to it. Where do You go from nowhere. To serve in WWII and then come back to be murdered how terrible. This is purely speculation. But for some reason I get the strong feeling it was,an argument over owing money. Friend or acquaintance. I also get the strong feeling this man was a hermit people wouldn’t really notice was gone.
So many suspects. I feel she will never get earthly justice. But whoever it was the person is evil beyond words. I find troubling the dog nor parents heard anything. As far as the dog that would lead me to believe it was someone the dog knew. I don’t believe the father had anything to do with it whatsoever. And it was stated he was finally cleared by DNA. That poor man. That made me cry. What this family had to go through. The way the public acted towards them. Shameful. I have seen that house now. Windows painted over. Creepy. It should be burned then leveled.
I think the man who got her pregnant murdered her. She told him and he killed her. Whether it was right when she told him or later meeting for an arrangement. People saying she was going somewhere else for an abortion. No. It wasn’t legal anywhere at the time. Alot of people missing or found murdered their cars are often found at airports. To make it appear they went somewhere from the perpetrator. When logs are checked for tickets for their names they never find they actually bought one.
I have not yet read or heard a peep from Johnny’s step brother or step sister. Why?
I find it very suspicious the ex boyfriend didn’t seem to be suspect. If not him I suspect the guy they found not guilty. But why?. He had the background of violence. And they let him out on day reease and at a hotel. Idiots.
Found in the back seat. Not intoxicated. In her driveway. I suspect someone followed her home and blitz attacked her and she was dragged in the back seat to be assaulted. Then killed eventhough no evidence was found to support that it majes sense. And the car set on fire to cover up the crime. It was successful.
Start with Richard Davis for one I believe I was standing in drive way that day and Richard Davis and two others did something with harry on his property the dorve the car to the shed across the road
Jim, please reach out to me. I would like to speak with you in reference to this comment.
Matk Mulligan
Suffestion Only
Break into Teams Since a Large GROUP if haven’t ALREADY
Trd Team Example
Research Hicory Grove Cemetary aka Pyramid Cemetary
Any Caretakers 1984?
Cemetary Plot Map Names
Any Names Especially Civil war Vets Misplaced?
May have Severak People Interested.
Blue Team Old Albia and Avery Photo’s
Mught be WHY Private Groups INFO that can VET a “Caller: with
Example ONLY
Mark
Previous Comment to me. Said something to effect. Im working Jimmy Hoffa Case?
No. Have not Delved INTO Hoffa
Pyramids Close to Avery. was Secluded
Research is Middle Nowhere Comments
Grass instead FRESH DIrt
Probally No Regular Visitors Probally to NOTICE Grave “Change ect
If Headstone Sjift may be PC KE Cloder Look
Could Obvious Bury Body on top Original occupent wrapped sheet no coffin.
Why mentioned Caretaker(s) Questioned. UNUSUAL 1984 not enough to report.
Nove Headstone Civik War era probally not NOTICED Excdept MAP
ok Maybe Hoffa could have ASSUMED New Idenity.
Mark Mulligan
My OPION
Common Law
Meets Requiements of Lindberg Act
and Modern BASED on Facts
Might want to CONTACT Feds FBI
1, InVoluntary Dissaperance
2. No Phone Contact 36 Years Previous KNOWN To
3, Known Large amounr Cash Reservist Check Poker Room.
4 Car ALSO Vanished No Re-Registrtion KNOWN ro be WORKING ORDER
5 No Fingerprints SHOWING LE(Jail) or JOB
6 Declared DECEASED
7 “Jims Statement” Tho Vauge Linked with above may be enough
8 Harry NO MEBTION Suicide, “good mood”
9 No Show Baseball Game Jul 1st 1984
10 Various COMMENTS thru YEARS Not FOLLOWED UP ect
“DESERTER” Dropped by Marines CID
Talk to Feds? SEEMS May have INTEREST
Interesting Reading
Attnys Stimell’ Stimnel, and Roser KIDNAPPING
The FBI-
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Who Probally Could NIP in BUD DEA or Drig Involment
Paragraph #6 ends with: “Pegram walked away a free man.” Yet the Des Moines Register reported on 24 May 91 that Pegram was convicted in the death of Maria Schuler. ~ https://www.newspapers.com/clip/35607202/the-des-moines-register/
Cecil was my best friend when I was in facility in Leon and I’m so pissed off that these people have gotten away with murdering him. All these years. I’ve never even been able to visit his grave idk where it’s at and I’ve moved all over the place. Please contact me annarebeccablack.1986@gmail.com especially if you’re his sister if you want to talk I’m here
you could probably look up find a grave, you may be able to find it that way, sorry about your loss.
That’s a good idea. The link is above. It appears he’s buried at Hopeville Cemetery, Hopeville, Clarke County, IA.
God bless his soul.
Yes, his gravestone is at the Hopeville Cemetery next to our mother. It’s beautiful there no matter the season :)
If there’s nothing to “hide”, why not have the police report opened up and name his “friends” that they interviewed. There are people that knows exactly what happened.
To the person that is assuming that she went to the concert alone, she was at the concert with my female cousin. I vaguely recall speaking to both of them while at the concert.
I first hand seen how crystal behaved while at the hospital. How she claimed to not know CPR. It would have been different too say you didn’t do it because you was scared BUT that’s not what she said. Crystal also told my best friend it was ok if we lost dj because “we would have another little dj running around” who says that while your baby’s father is dying???? Crystal may have not killed him but she sure as h*ll didn’t save him. She knows a.lot more then she claims. Best believe I see karma playing out every time I see crystal.
The car was not place in an impound it was placed in a garage where the murderers family member was able to taint the evidence their wass a boot print on the passenger door wonder if they got pics….and a gentlman reported seeing someone getting chaswd nd beat up
Well 27 year’s ago still unsolved , sickening to me he is still free Scott Macy needs reinvestigated how bout another lie detector , DNA in her nails and hair and DNA all around her body did you test and study all that and the garbage bag found with her hair and salvia in it also finger tear Mark’s on it also , come on forensic technology solve my mother’s murder 🙏
Forensics will solve this. The case needs to keep being warmed up and followed and revisited every single year until that murderer is brought to justice . Prayers ❤️
I only can hope and pray Jesus will take the wheel and help the police catch Scott Macy , tweeker out on the east side because he is a meth head .
This discussion makes me sick to my stomach. I knew Pennye, and I believe she was murdered, not because she was black, but because she may have trusted the wrong guy. she spent her whole high school years being shy, and kept from everything. I remember she said she lived with her Grandma, and wasn’t allowed to wear make up, she would come to school each morning and put lipstick on first thing. I think she was finally enjoying some freedom, and someone took her life, I was at that school, none of ever knew or heard what actually happened to her, and if I did I would most definitely have told someone. I will remember this gal for the few memories I have of her, and not focus on how her life ended. I will always pray she is at peace, and I know someday someone will come forward, until then, I wont listen to anyone try and make her life a rumor of race.
I was reviewing the cold case murder of Betty Ann Moore (12) of Robbins, Illinois, in my neck of the woods, on June 4, 1986. She was a young black girl, whose mother a nurse’s aid, was in the hospital.
So,she normally stayed at her foster grandfather’s house. She supposedly did not want to go to school, because of her mother. Also, her father had died a few months before. She did not interact with the other kids in the neighborhood.
She also wrote a short story for an English class in school. The story was titled “The Case of the Missing Body and Murder”. It was about a fictional rich woman, who everyone wanted dead. The fictional woman was named Betty Ann Moore.
Betty Ann Moore was found naked and severely beaten close to the Cal-Sag Channel, not far from where she lived. Her foster grandfather assumed she got up and went to school. She was not home when they got up. She was reported missing when she did not return from school. In fact she never made it to school. This somehow sounds similar to Pennye’s case
Hi Kim,
My name is Sarah Herriott, I have been attempting to gain traction on Pennye’s case, I would love to hear from you.
If you are comfortable, please find me via Twitter @pennyes_cause
I was in Pennyes class. She was very quiet,and she could sing. May she RIP
I remember she was in ROTC.
I’ve been holding this back because this sounds crazy and I don’t know if this will be taken badly but Pennys spirit had contacted me in a dream after playing with the ouji board one night. She was setup by someone she trusted because they felt they had to quiet her when she saw something she shouldn’t have. They ambushed her in a black SUV. It was 2-3 that were predominantly male if not all male. One of her friends from childhood may have been related to the situation penny wasn’t supposed to know about but that childhood friend wasn’t there when she was killed and may have not even known that is what happened. Her body was dumped early in the morning when there was still dew in the grass.I’m so sorry if this brings any bad feelings. This dream happened in 2015 when I was 16 years old. It may have been a situation related to violence but I’m not sure that it was necessarily gang violence. It did not seem to have any racial motive though. Penny had sent me warnings that has saved me a few times in my life since then. Take this how you will but she is helping the living from the other side and seems to be a very loving, caring spirit
I remember when the fire that killed the Eberly children happened. I was 10 years old and went to school at New Market Comm. School. My little sister was in kindergarten and the oldest Eberly child, Larry, was in her grade. It was such a tragic fire and affected the whole community. So very awful and sad…
Where can I get in touch with the family? I’ve written a poem inspired by this case and I’d like to share it with them.
Kaylin, I just received an email from someone reminding me I hadn’t included on Linda’s page the fact that Lee Rotatori’s murder had been solved. I did get that added.
Additionally, on Linda’s findagrave site, an individual had posted a short clip of Linda’s obit from the Omaha Star. I have incorporated that information into Linda’s case summary, with a link to the Findagrave page.
Many thanks to “Andy” for the reminder to let readers know Ms. Rotatori’s case has been solved.
The Trail Went Cold just did in episode in March on this case. I guess her daughter has been very active on Reddit and with reaching out to podcasts to garner attention for her mom’s case.
I just wanted to say for some reason I was not mentioned. I am his oldest Denise. I truely pray they find who did this . To my sister and brothers.. I love you guys
Does anyone know whether there was any eminent domain actions taken for this parcel of land before the townhouses were built?
Please follow my Mothers fb page. (Who Killed Jamedia Hines)
My family and I are seeking answers. Any questions, comments or concerns youmay have, please feel free to contact me personally. We just want justice! Thank you
This person is said to be Buried in a field that has lime in it….Southeast of Lakeside the junkyard… everybody in town knows the story including the police
wonder if a single Bucket of dirt has ever been lifted or what excuse they would have to why not…..
Look at the time frame, there is no way he could be buried there unless someone kept the body in their home for months. The ground wouldve been frozen solid. Digging any kind of hole without large very noticable equipment would have been impossible and I highly doubt that anyone would damage heavy machinery to that. This is the first anyone has even proposed this idea that I know of. Seeing that I’m his son pretty sure that story would have atleast crossed my path at some point. I’d really like to know what happenend that night though. Lots of questions as to why he would vanish, leaving me to suffer the childhood I went through. His own family has barely spoke a word to me. Idk kind of messed up if you ask me. Ive only been able to piece together bits and pieces over the years and I have an idea of what happenend but without being able to talk to folks who knew him personally I’ve hit a dead end.
Could you share what you have learned? what do you think happened?
It’s all hypothetical, but I think he was tied into the drug smuggling that was going on in the Ohio fish market. He probably stuck his nose where it didnt belong or did some one dirty. The stories I’ve heard all have 1 thing in common and its that drug ring at the fish market. Story goes he was helping smuggle the drugs out, the night he disappeared he was supposedly going with his best friend. I was never tolf the friends name just that this friend committed suicide shortly after. From what Ive been able to gather this is the most likely scenario. His body was either crushed in a car or dumped in the river. Everyone that knows the truth of the matter is either dead or will never talk due to their standing in society. Its a lost cause honestly. He shouldve been pronounced deceased years ago.
Wow sorry to hear.
Can you share what your grandmother said he did before he left?
Unfortunately by the time I actually met his mother she was too ill and unable. Spoke to his sister once, but not much was said about him a few photos and some background info. Most of what I have gathered has been hearsay.
My dad was best friends with your grandfather, your dad‘s dad. I was at my parents home & remember when he disappeared. The story I heard was that he had gotten home late received a phone call and then went back outside and was never seen again. So someone called him to meet outside and it must’ve been a set up. His truck wallet and ID grow up behind. They knew right away that he left in voluntarily. My dad is gone now, but I remember him telling me about a family that was probably behind it.. Unfortunately, I don’t remember the last name, but they had notorious reputation. I also remember there was a grand jury. A rumor came out of that that said he was in a car that was buried somewhere, and that the car was found and unburied, but he wasn’t in it. That’s how I remember and it was so long ago.. I am so sorry that you lost your dad & at such an age..
OK, I was one of the cops that worked this case with the IBI. Here’s what we were able to uncover, which granted is not much. Johnny came home from work, took a shower, changed clothes. Prior to that he put his dog in the back yard. When he had finished with all that he asked his brother to bring his dog in and told his mother he was going out with some friends. I don’t think he was planning on being gone long since he left his wallet. He got in the car with someone that no one saw and wasn’t seen again.
We talked to people from the Fish Market and no one at the time stood out to us. I left the department there the next month, in Jan. During that month working it there were so many rumors pertaining to that family you speak of who has the junk yard. It would not surprise me if they were involved.
I also talked to a couple of the officers after I left that dept and moved out of state and was told there was a house in town where the yard had been dug up and even though they found plenty of junk, no bodies. I’m not positive this happened, but what I was told.
I have to tell you this case has stayed on my mind after all these years and I post it any time I can. It will haunt me till the day I die. I would love this to be solved so I haven’t given up. Good luck to you hon, I can’t imagine how you feel.
So true about that family you speak of in Carter lake. I became friends with his brother about a year after this happened. He said everybody pretty much knows who is responsible but nobody will ever ever talk. The fear of them is real. I lived in Carter lake for years and they are no joke. Definitely not people to be played with very scary. Even making this comment makes me nervous. But I feel sort of obligated to let you know there’s nothing more you could have done. My uncle was a detective with the Denver Police department and I know how this would have made him feel. Sometimes there really is nothing more you can do.
Idk… I don’t think I Could live in the same town as my family’s murderers without doing something myself… That’s just my opinion nothing against you guys Being scared of everything
Most likely his friend had something to do with it if he committed suicide men don’t kill herself unless something is eating at them they cannot change or fix.
Also we had a calm winter that year and it was not too cold to dig. That place always had all kind of diggers and other machine going.
Has there ever been a book about the murders in Ottumwa?
SOMEONE SHOULD LOOK AT JAMES BRIAN CHADWELL
he was caught in Indiana and is suspect in taking two girls together
Look into James Brian Chadwell the II from Lafayette area. He loved the woods and bridges, fishing and was a semi driver. He is now suspect for Delphi murders.
Mike, he sounds like a good candidate. However, investigators would have to be able to place him the area. Also, would he have knowledge of the area. Everyone thinks all they need is DNA. But, it is one piece of the pie
A friend gave me this. They sent it to the cops: No response.
This is regarding the disappearance of Lyric and Elizabeth, the victims of a double homicide in Evansdale, Iowa. I know you have a wealth of information regarding the case, so I will not be redundant. I know you have interviewed “all the usual suspects,” including those named in the Dephi murders, etc. You may have interviewed the gentleman I am addressing here. However, I hope you will revisit your information about him, even though he is deceased, because a lot of evidence points to him.
Many of my friends and I often engage in conversations about local crimes, cold cases, and unsolved murders. One of my friends is from Evansdale and knew the two missing girls. She spoke of them often. She has a large family in that area and they spend a lot of time in bars, fraternal organization, and so forth. As in all small towns, everyone knows everyone and the girls and their families, and the murders were the topic of conversations for some time in all the places she hung out. They do mingle in the same places as the girl’s families and are personally acquainted with some of the family members, as well as with law enforcement officers. My friend’s ex husband has a number of employees, he once had a public works position in XXXXXXXX and most of her family now works at XXXXXXXX.
They all remain in the Evansdale/Independence area. Through the years she has often suggested we take a tour of Evansdale so she could show me Meyer’s Lake, Angel’s Park, and where the girls lived and so forth.
Some of this is simple speculation, but I hope you understand why I am drawing some inferences that I draw. We always talk about local creeps and crimes and she began the “tour” by pointing out a house where an awful person lived, not the suspect, but inferences could be drawn by some psychologists, sociologists, and criminologists if they are related because they have the same name. Many years ago the man that lived there kidnapped and killed a small child. The whole town was looking for her, yet she was already deceased in his attic. He told the creepy stories about how she “liked sitting on his lap” and that she “wanted him.” “She was really cute,” he told the reporter. “I loved her probably as much as her parents did.”
The 1974 Courier article goes on to say that R. Fitz, the creepy perp, had actually joked with the child’s father about abducting the girl. “She’s so cute; I’d like to kidnap her,” the article quotes R. Fitz as saying. He was 27, she was 2.
As XXXXX is telling me this story, she burst into tears. This perpetrator just died in prison and she and her family were discussing his obituary. He was 71, so he had been in prison for approximately 44 years. My friend said that her grown daughter came over and burst into tears and shared that R. Fitz had tried to molest her when she was a child. My friend’s family lived near the Fitz’s and several times he had tried to get her children to come over or go for rides, etc. Her daughter is still very naïve and even now doesn’t grasp the ramifications of some of these acts. Her daughter said R. Fitz attempted to get her to “kiss his …..,” but more alarming, his wife was there and she laughed and said, “Russell, put that thing away” and made some comment that he needed to quit doing that stuff.
Here is where you may feel I am off track or speculating. I have been unable to find out if my suspect, Chad Fitz is related to Russell Fitz. But in my experience, families may share some behaviors, learned or otherwise. Here are just a couple of charges Chad Fitz has had in the past. If they are related, a lot of this occurs in the same families as a learned behavior. Both are deceased now, but Chad should be considered a suspect anyway. DNA could still be obtained from all involved as well as using genetic genealogy DNA.
Chad was convicted with:
LASCIVIOUS ACTS W/CHILD-INFLICT PAIN OR DISCOMFORT (FELD)
KIDNAPPING 1ST DEGREE – 1978 (FELA)
To the investigators: I am sure you must know these things, but you should talk to XXXXXX. She showed me where Chad Fitz’s mom or grandma lived, right by Meyer’s Lake. Within yards! That’s where he stayed or lived with his mom or grandmother and the girls rode their bikes right past his house on Gilbert Street and all around there. XXXXX told me about his car being crushed (I found he had a white PU at the time, maybe his, maybe the person’s he lived with, he/they may have others, but this was at least one of them.) So now he leaves that Evansdale house after the murders and moves in with grandma (or mom) AGAIN, now in Readlyn, near the reserve! A straight shot as it were, across the county. The woman he lived with was first in Evansdale, the moves out to Readlyn. The address there is very close to the wildlife area. In my opinion, if you follow criminal profiling, I don’t see he could possibility be eliminated!!! Look at those two charges! Here are bits of my conversations with XXXXX. Just have her take you on a tour and talk with her and her family and keep it confidential. Talk to the car crusher. They said the car/truck stunk when they got it. XXXXX and her relatives know all these people personally and no one ever asked them anything,
You sent December 7, 2020 to XXXXXXX.
Chad Fitz has a huge record yet no obit anywhere online… just a short death notice in Waterloo Courier. Died at U of I Hospital? Hardly anything about him. That would be the two house addresses. One is on Gilbert in Evansdale and one on a farm or house in Readlyn. This creep has an old kidnappings charge and a charge with LASCIVIOUS ACTS W/CHILD-INFLICT PAIN OR DISCOMFORT (FELD) and KIDNAPPING 1ST DEGREE – 1978 (FELA). Seems so logical that he could be involved. He loved the outdoors too and spent time right there at the reserve. He has lots of meth charges too. Don’t say anything to anyone except find out what he drove from those people, if it really stunk, why they didn’t call the PD, if they really crushed it, etc. Locals in a bar/club who knew the girls and their families talked about this and never did anything??????? WTH?
12/7/20, 5:39 PM
You sent December 7, 2020
Check this out. “Best address match” on Been Verified is 2568 Independence Ave Evansdale, IA 50707. Dates seen March 2005. Other is “Higher Confidence” 2848 270th St Readlyn, IA 50668
You sent December 7, 2020
OMG he lived 16 minutes or 6 miles from the Seven Bridges park SIX MINUTES!!! SIX MILES!
XXXXXXX sent December 7, 2020
Also at the time the girls disappeared he lived on Gilbert Drive
You sent December 7, 2020
I know, that is what I have been asking you. You said it was his mom’s or grandma’s house. I thought it was the house we drove by right by the lake. I thought you said that was Gilbert Drive in Evansdale. That is why I need that address and if his grandma or mom lived there. Didn’t you say Gilbert in Evansdale? That is the only missing link. That and what kind of vehicle he had, where it went and why.
You sent December 7, 2020
What is Rydell? How do you know he bought it there? Where did it end up where you said it smelled?
XXXXXXX sent December 7, 2020
Gilbert Drive in Evansdale and it was his mom he lived with. I don’t know what model his car was just that it was at the crushers but someone smelled a rotten odor but it was cleared by fbi
XXXXX sent December 7, 2020
He was cleared
XXXXXX sent December 7, 2020
Now he is dead
December 7, 2020
I know but I am not convinced. Maybe the FBI didn’t have enough information. I see Rydell is a dealer in Waterloo where he got the car. Easy to get VIN, get crusher’s records, date, etc. I am driving to Evansdale to get the house numbers in that block because I cannot figure out his mom’s name. I am sure it’s not Fitz. So do you know the name of the crusher and how did he Fitz die? Do you recall where you learned all of this? I also wonder, since he had so many meth/drug busts if that is related? There is too much here for the FBI to clear him. They could not have known all of this.
XXXXXX sent December 7, 2020
I don’t know her name I will be in Evansdale Wednesday
You sent December 7, 2020
Ok, do you think you can catch that house number? I may drive up and look at all that other stuff next week.
XXXX sent December 7, 2020
I see it was on the news and in the paper back when Fitz just died this spring. They can get his mom’s DNA, grandma’s DNA, and from other relatives. They have the girl’s DNA I am sure and if the did a good investigation they kept personal items of the girls. His DNA can be on them and their bodies. They can exhume all three of them. And just what ARE they doing with any DNA they have?
To this day it bothers me, I was the last busboy to leave that Monday night and was never questioned by anyone if I had seen anything out of the normal. I knew John and Paul was my boss and I found out about the shooting the next day when I went through the lunch line at high school.
Hi Larry! I’m Tina, Paul Rayer’s granddaughter. I can’t believe they didn’t ask you any questions. Wow! The whole thing has bothered me as well. So frustrating, and sad. Wish I could’ve had the time with him😢.
I can’t help but think that this girl and my aunt’s deaths are connected. My aunt shelia harrison age 20 was found dead face down on a road in 1968 in webster county the man she was with was a sales man from ames.
Hi Jodi,
My name is Sydney Novak and I am a student journalist working on an investigative project at Iowa State University. I would love to hear any insight you have about your aunts case. I think any insight you have would be really impactful for my project and I would appreciate it so much.
Hello I just seen this
Jodi, can you share some more details on your Aunt Sheila’s murder if you know them. The other option is to provide a link to a newspaper article. Hi
I assume it was solved, since it’s not listed as a Cold Case homicide.
Jody, do you know if anyone ever looked at the possibility of Roger’s case being connected to the disappearances of John Gosch, Eugene Martin, and/or Marc Wilson?
So sorry, Marc’s last name is ALLEN, not Wilson.
Why is the Shirley Carter link down? Her case is definitely not solved and the page should be up.
Shirley’s page was down for only a short while but is still available on the ICC website at: https://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/shirley-carter
Former pro boxer says he knew his longtime friend killed James Booher —
Robert Bleakley testifies at trial of Matthew Robbins in Cedar Rapids
By: Trish Mehaffey Apr. 22, 2021
…..Bleakley admitted he had lied to a grand jury hearing evidence in Booher’s slaying because Robbins had told him he’d be in “a lot of trouble” if he told what he knew. Bleakley said he and Robbins had been friends for more than 30 years. He didn’t want to testify at Robbins’ trial but he did because it has been “horrible” living with what he knew for seven years. Andrew Shaw also testified Robbins admitted to killing Booher while they both were housed in the Iowa County Jail in Marengo.
Shaw said he told Robbins he knew what had happened to Booher but that Robbins at first denied it.
Later, when they were watching a television news report on Booher, Robbins said, “Yeah, I did it, but you already know the truth.”
Shaw was convicted last year of running a large marijuana trafficking ring that supplied marijuana to Chris Bagley and the two men charged with killing Bagley over drug robberies from Shaw.
Comments: (319) 398-8318; trish.mehaffey@thegazette.comhttps://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/former-pro-boxer-says-he-knew-his-long-time-friend-killed-james-booher/
Lost site of him for less of a min, between 3 and 4? Maybe he ventured off into the countryside by Alton. Hopefully the police checked there to. ❤️
HOLLY GOTZ ?? serious ?? Holy Gods is making a very silly but simple joke I would say ..
No jokes here. I reported to the Dubuque Police who I believe is the assailant , a Dubuque resident. I also reported to cemetery officials. I had the grave that is full that is supposed to be empty probed in 2016 & 2017. It went squish. It tapped nothing. I stated this in court disposing the assailant. When he found out I knew he immediately rented a cemented truck out of Duluth MN. and was ticketed on his way back because an officer spotted liquid coming out of the back. He got a misdimeanor.
He was driving the cement truck without a permit. I could see a trowel mark that wasnt there before. Now when you probe the grave it hits cement mimicking a casket. The courts will not allow me to dig an unknown person. It is considered an autopsy by Iowa law. An autopsy can only be performed if a crime has been committed in Iowa. In a certain sense how can a crime be proven if you can’t dig. I’ve gone round and round with every authority. I’ve spent thousands and thousands of dollars trying to rectify. The Dubuque police cited it wasnt there jurisdiction in Cass County. Cass County would not look into. Meanwhile the cemetery plot that was my mother’s who is not buried there was to go to me. I can not be there as it is full. Is it Paul? I can tell you the outline of the person from above ground view was face down, very tall and the first thing I said was this person does not have any shoes on. Like they were snatched from a home. This is a very rural area. I was told by the cemetery clerk a few people have randomly shown up over the years. I was horrified by this statement. If I can see they are not properly buried they no full well. I passed on the info. to your family. My hands are tied.
And by the way the assailant Im talking about was driving a mercury zephyr at the time of my grandma’s funeral in 1994. I and my sister thot his car was so strange because it had nice parts to it but a primer paint color. We were never taken to the correct cemetery. I believe because we would have noticed the strangeness at that time. I never saw my grandma buried. I did exhumed her spot only to find it was not her casket. Could not get a lawyer to touch it to go forward with opening the casket, considered an autopsy. I did find info that she was cremated. Where are her ashes? The timeline and events of what happened to my family and our cemetery plots eerily match up with Paul missing. The grave and body of the unknown person was dug originally in the winter it appeared. Hard to dig deep and also preserving the person for a time. Making an outline above ground.
If Paul were Hoffa, I might have gotten somewhere.
there was no way anyone was driving Paul’s car to your grandma’s funeral because his car was buried under 7 feet of mud in the Mississippi River. They found it a few weeks ago. So take your BS somewhere else and stop trolling this case file.
Or the car was placed in the river later.
They just found his car https://www.kcrg.com/2023/10/26/dubuque-police-investigating-after-vehicle-pulled-mississippi-river/
I’m so glad they found his car. Been praying for that. I hope they can glean more leads from this. I hope the authorities will consider a local person put it there, is a boater, and has boat(s) that are docked out of Dubuque. The person knows the area such as boat launches.
What is his name? If authorities don’t believe you, what’s the harm of telling me? Or make an anonymous tip to the police department. Please! Or more tips here. Was it someone he knew? A co worker or neighbor or just a random stranger? You are either full of shit or the time to speak up is now.
Sara, I believe you are Paul’s niece? I talked extensively to you on the phone, a few years back. I gave you a name and a picture. The police promised they would question him. But evidences have to add up, and I don’t know if the lead is correct. There were too many coincidences not to say something. And I truly hope this gets solved.
go find something else to do, besides troll this case. You know NOTHING factual.
Cathy, not trying to be upsetting. So sorry. I did give a name to Sara and the police. It’s only based on my experience, a tip. I will respectfully not post. Love and prayers to your family.
You Nevet Ever talked to me Holly so you need to stop now. The entire family has discussed this and not one person has talked to you! STOP lying. We all assume you are nuts because your story is full of lies. Not one single person from my family has ever talked to you. Do you think we don’t communicate? Duh!!! Car was found, no primer paint like you said in your comment. Now that you include me in your lie gives me 100% proof you are lying!
Sara, please refer to posts here April 8, 2019 and April 11, 2019. I did in fact receive a phone call from someone saying they were Sara. One of the things discussed was your uncle had a pin or plate in his leg from an injury. That he was handicapped or a little slower and might have been taken advantage of because of this. I was looking for things identifiable that would deteriorate like glasses, dentures etc. if I were able to exhume the unknown person at my famly cemetery plot in Iowa. The conversation was almost two hours. If it wasn’t you, that is alarming!
And yes, the mercury zephyr this man was driving wasn’t the same. Now known for sure!
Regardless my comments are not helpful, so I will leave it there.
You gave your phone number in this chat and the entire family discussed that contacting you was not a good idea. Honestly we were a little spooked – you could have been the killer trying to see what we knew. Or what we really thought was you could be a mentally unstable person that could harm someone in your delusional state. If you received a call it was not from our family. He did break his leg, I have knowledge of that but not aware of any metal pins or plates. If you ever mentioned a name to ANY family member, we would’ve know immediately. Social media makes it really easy to talk to family members.I would definitely say it’s alarming you apparently gave information to a random person using my name. Investigators have never mentioned taking to you but I’ve never asked them either. But I am still curious who was driving a similar vehicle that made you think there was a connection. Did the person know Paul? Live by him? Work with him? Who is it that you say has boat(s) docked in Dubuque? Someone you said has great knowledge of the boat docks in Dubuque. If there was another crime committed it should be investigated too. Concerning Paul, the car appears to be the same color with no primer as far as I can see. The hood was pretty tore up but didn’t appear to be any other color besides the original maroon color. I also don’t believe someone would drive a car around for several years hours away only to drive back a few hours to dispose of it in the river. Thank you for your concern but at this time I don’t believe there’s any evidence that the vehicle you seen was the vehicle Paul owned.
She is buried behind the tavern building at 206 N. Linn St. in Iowa City,no doubt.
Why would you say that?
Patrick D. Baird died in 2004.
Jerry Wintz died in 1999.
Stephen Woodcock died in 2007.
David Graham died in 2014.
Frank Sykora died last year.
Wilbur Millhouse died in 2015.
I found the article on Jerry Wintz that covers the pedophile ring, and mentions some of these men. Is it possible Sykora and Millhouse were part of it as well? I know they were both eventually caught for pedophile stuff, but those were separate cases and trials.
Also, I don’t know if you would know this, but did any of these men look like the drawing of the man in the car who was talking to Johnny? Or did any of them look like the man that was talking to Eugène Martin?
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/desmoinesregister/name/samuel-soda-obituary?pid=196971222
Sam Soda also dead October, 2020.
Frank Sykora died last year.
http://www.warnerfuneralhome.com/obituary.php?view=3144
I was reading this and realized that there had to be more than one murderer and if not why didn’t anyone hear? Especially those in the same room. The oldest guest did have defensive wounds on her body and while she was fighting off the attacker, did she scream? Why didn’t others hear? If the two guests were killed last how come they didn’t hear anyone else scream? Even if all were asleep. You would of had to hear the ax.
My first reaction when hearing about this. It has been stated that the first blows rendered all victims practically motionless so I wouldn’t be surprised to hear it made them inaudible as well, if only long enough for the second blow. Fortunately we can not test this theory.
Still I can’t imagine a killer EXPECTING no one to make a sound as they attempt to kill 8 people. And this brings up the questions:
1. Was only one person the intended victim?
2. If so then who was killed first?
After watching “Villisca: Living With A Mystery” I’ve come to the conclusion that it was a psychopath/serial killer. Most probably Henry Lee Moore.
If any one specific person was the victim then it appears they could have easily committed the deed and left but to go after 8 people in 3 different rooms and on 2 different levels tells me that all of them were intended to die.
I can’t state it enough. WATCH THAT MOVIE
So many repetitive questions here a answered in it PLUS you learn so much more. A GREAT documentary.
I would love to know if there is anything left that was collected from the crime scene. As big of a case that this was nationaly you would think they might have some left. As we all too well now know, when you have a scene this bloddy and physical, the murderer most likey left some of himself at the scene along with his victim. If evidence still existed it would be a great chance to see what these experts we have today could maybe find…….just a thought
ya – test dna from the crazy preacher
https://www.wbay.com/2021/02/10/police-arrest-two-for-aiding-a-felon-in-fox-river-mall-shooting-investigation/
If I remember there was something about a car that she had sold to someone for a very cheap price, and there was cigarettes butt’s in the toilet
It’s still very sad
was this the same Lybarger – his father is listed as Steve….
Zachary A. Lybarger, age 43, of Council Bluffs, passed away April 13, 2021 at CHI-Mercy Hospital.
Zach was born June 10, 1977 in Omaha, Nebraska. He was a CNA.
Zach was preceded in death by his wife, Misty Lybarger; son, Nickales Bywater; father, Steve Lybarger and his grandmother, Mary Lou Schroder.
I’m not sure. I would have to look into it. Thanks for the information.
Looks like a very big possibility that this was the same guy. https://crawfordcountynow.com/obituaries/steve-lybarger/
Steve Lybarger was in my class in school (ALHS 1970). I played at his house once in 2nd grade, I think it was. So he was born around 1952 (or late 1951). I’m assuming this obit is for the same Steve, with the Council Bluffs connections & all.
Thanks for sharing. It’s too coincidental for it not to be the same person. Damn shame he got away with it.
She was my aunt:)
We don’t want to scar them for the rest of their lives. I mean someone fired shots in th o her residence and did not care if they killed her, the boyfriend, or the three kids. So, having their picture on billboard claiming they may be involved with her murder, will make them feel ashamed
Although they may have fled the area, to avoid being asked about their possible involvement in the murder of another person. What difference does it make, to quote a former Secretary if State in regards to the murder of four of her employees.
There are ppl of interest in this case that has left state but I don’t see Why there pictures are not being showed on billboards like the other Cold cases All murders deserve the same attention
This is such a recent case too, in comparison to some of the others, it would be amazing if more attention could be brought to her murder so it would have a better chance to being solved.
Ashley was murdered in Dallas County, not Polk County. Please correct this error.
I want to add this was probably a two-tap hit, meaning it was a professional job. Chest, then head. This does not suggest stalker or a random act of violence. If someone close to her was involved, the murder would have been much more messy. Ashley was probably targeted because of the company she worked for, and that should be the focus of the investigation.
I believe the killer wanted to stoke fear into realtors working for the company and/or realtors working in the same area. The instant reaction by the company to protect its employees suggests that someone within the company knew the reason for this senseless crime
Real estate deals gone bad can motivate a crazy bastard to commit a horrible crime like this. Focus on motive law enforcement, and you will solve this crime.
He was the science teacher there before Kathleen Hartung.
Praying the truth comes out!
Clearly the person in the brown pick up truck was stealing.
Did he come back & Mr. Reed confronted him?!
Is this why he was attacked & murdered?
Police should try looking at brown colored trucks in that area at that time.
Praying for justice!
Two of the four people involved in this are now dead.
God will be their judge but there are still two others who need to be prosecuted!
Doris needs to be exhumed & a murder investigation needs to take place!
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what they know and did that night/weekend as they complete the 4 people involved in Elaine’s death and coverup. Lake Life above is absolutely right! There are still 2 people living to answer for at least themselves and their illegal participation
She only had $20. Killed for $20. A 90 yr old woman. POS COWARD!
To do this to this sweet elderly helpless woman. A widow for 15 yrs. Legally blind. Small. She must have been terrified. Emma, You will be avenged. Whoever did this is a COWARD AND YOU WILL PAY! DON’T THINK YOU WON’T. YOU DESERVE THE WORST!!!!
IMO it was someone he trusted. With 75 weapons around. I can’t see it wasn’t.
I really don’t understand how or why anyone would want to hurt an elderly woman. But the criminal minder, They don’t have a conscious. They feel no empathy. No remorse. That’s how they can sleep at night.
He was released only to kill again. Typical of the justice system. More rights for the criminal and not for victims and future victums.
I just re-read Aaron Pate’s sad story. It’s awful that he has never been located. I know what his brother, Ian, has shared and that’s it. I cannot imagine the emotional toll that the surviving family members have endured including the tragic and senseless loss of their sister.
I shared a few of my thoughts a few years ago and I also identified who i am.
I was pretty surprised that some of the responders had choice opinions about me. But, they chose to hide behind their initials and acronyms.
I still love my town. I have, however, become involved in several groups looking to better our town. Anyone who has felt out cast or not welcome is very welcome to join any group they wish and become part of the solution. It is difficult to put yourself out there sometimes, I’ve been there so I know.
I certainly apologize to anyone who felt I was blaming them for not being accepted. That was never my intent.
The original post was about Aaron Pate and I hope and pray that wherever he is, he is at peace. And, i hope his family has some sense of peace in their lives as they have had to live their lives without him.
I agree… this is no place for commenting on the pros/cons of Keota, IA.
I stumbled upon this site online after finding nothing at the local library.
I have since started a blog and it’s gaining momentum.
I had no idea a tiny little town in the middle of nowhere Iowa had so many secrets to keep.
If I learn anything significant from my blog, I will definitely share it here for the family of the missing…
thank you
I wonder if her family knows the identity of the ex-boyfriend. It would be nice to know, if he ever been investigated by the police. She complains to police that she is being bothered by him. Then she disappears, it would make me put him at the top of the list, to be looked at real hard.
I wonder if any other of his former girlfriends are missing.
I believe he was questioned, but because they didn’t find a body or evidence he was let go. -her granddaughter
Wow I’m reading all these comments about myself. You people have never heard my side of this. Did you know that Hal Snedeker knew how the victims were killed before the autopsy ever proved what happened? Of course not because you’re all too quick to judge people. There are so many liescout there and you have no fucking clue what I found in Hal and Linda Snedekers interviews. Bet you didn’t know that he has no alibi for that night. He has 50 plus inconsistencies in his interviews and 3 different. Stories about where he was. AND YOU FUCKERS WANT TO CALL ME A LIAR? He also told my daughter that wasn’t now the murders were supposed to have happened.. I can prove Hal was involved. All I need is for someone to do my story.AND ANOTHER THING— I did not roll Steve’s arm up in a car door, Melisa did. It happened in the 3 speed he had and I still to this day cannot drive one. Ask Patty Hilpipre, she’s the one who told me what actually happened. She was Melisas friend. Steve was ripping off Hal for drugs and was going to turn states evidence on him in court, but he died before he had the chance.
Teri, it’s nice of you to come clean of sorts. However, the victims were murdered in 1983. You have had over 37 years to tell your story, and point at someone else. I guess you could not find an attorney to represent you when you could have provided the statement you just elaborated.
This reminds me that the family in Columbus, Ohio protected their uncle and brother because they allegedly were afriad6to rat him out for a murder he committed. After he was dead, did kind of come clean after a journalist started digging.
I assume Hal, will come clean also, and point the finger st someone else
Terri yeah it made no sense to me either why they waited 31 years and let a Cold Case journalist talk them into bringing charges against you without any new evidence. Seemed kind of weird that if they were aware of possible drug dealings going on at the CDR that they didn’t bust them awhile ago. Make me wonder if he (Hal) was some confidential informant himself or was just a drug dealer that left Florida before it became to hot for him. And if they seemed to know that Steve was involved in drug dealing why they didn’t follow up on that further. Seemed like they just naturally assumed it was the so called criminal Supino family. Well hopefully you can get your story out and maybe they will get their act together in Newton & do some real police work. Best of luck and tell Tim I said hi. If he is still in Newton I will have to look him up next time I am there.
Well hopefully you can get your story heard and maybe even published Terry. Hopefully people will stop trying to pass judgement without all the facts. Sounds like it would be quite a compelling read if you where able to get your story published. Possibly start off with some background on you. Steve Fisher and the owner of the Copper Dollar Ranch. And for those that don’t believe drug hits can be brutal just look at MIAMI, FL in the 80’s . Out of control and brutal murders everyday. They used brutality to make a point. Enough said
This needs to be solved now.
Unblemished hope!
What place was she last seen?
Hello,my name is Donald Garney. And i am trying to find anybody that may remember or help me to find info on a homicide in webster city iowa. My Grandmother was remaried to a man with the last name Daniels, or McDaniels who murdered her and hid her body in a shed, being found weeks later. He had struck her in the head with a hammer and left her to choke on her own blood. Sorry for the detail, but ive tried everything. Hopeing now maybe someone in the earea may remember hearing about it in the news. My mother was raised in a orphanage at a very young age due to this, and has recently passed. If someone ,anybody can help?. Victims name Erma or Irma, Jane or Jean, McDaniel or Daniel murdered in webster city iowa, hamilton county or calhoun county, in 1960’s . Maiden name (carlson) . Thank you. And GODBLESS.
Donald, I recommend an online search for information related to her murder. Also, contacting the local library, they may have newspapers from that time period they could check.
Another option, would be to see if their might be a Webster City Historica Society. The murder would have been big news and they might have some records.
Also, I would assume that maybe the local county would have some trial records, if there was an arrest and court hearing. Those records hopefully would be resource.
The few details claims she took a Greyhound bus from Texss to visit her father in Davenport. Yet, we have no information or proof, she even reached Davenport, or Iowa period. Then we hear that she might have been missing since 1980 and not 1982.
Where is Sgt. Joe Friday, who asks for the facts and speculation. Can we get some more facts of when she left wherever in Texas.
I wonder, if this was a spur of the moment visit or a planned trip. If it was a planned trip, did she have a suitcase. How long was she going to be in Iowa. We don’t where she started, if she made it out of Texas, crossed any state borders or decide to runaway.
Could she have gotten braces ? Or plastic surgery to change her appearance? Had anyone from the greyhound bus seen her get on the bus? Did the bus driver who would of driven it there see her talking to anyone? Did the police even look Into any of these questions ? I am so very sorry for your loss but these are the questions I think people should be asking. Give this family the peace of mind or find the daughter safely. Praying you get the answers you need. The family deserves justice or to bring their daughter home safely.
prayers family gets answers to Mervin, someone knows something and pray their consious will get to them
It’s very unfortunate this man chose that way of life.But that gives no one the right to kill him. However people that deal with meth ruin other people’s lives. Let it be someone else. Don’t deal. Don’t take it. It’s a terrible road.
I believe now DNA, will give this baby the known Mother.
I was thinking the same thing. With all the DNA testing these days why are there any John or Jane Doe’s
He was my Husband
Chad, I wonder if your father was a veteran. I notice that was homeless when he disappeared. Many homeless are veterans dealing with various mental health or other issues related to military service.
If he is a veteran, then the authorities should reach out to the Veterans Administration to see, if he has visited any VA Medical Centers since his disappearance. The VA can’t release any medical condition stuff.
I notice there is no mention of any forensic evidence recovered. There should have been something between the burglary and his murder. Also, no mention if they got a description of the intruder that Smith encountered.
I would guess that the offender Smith encountered may have been a drug addict. I wonder if the rifle was ever recovered. Also, if local pawn shops to see if the stolen property were ever taken to them.
I’d recommend watching the People Magazine Investigates episode on Tammy’s case. It was a good and informative watch,
All signs sure point to Lonnie Bierbrodt it appears from my perspective. The authorities did render an opinion on him and a few others. I want to spoil for anybody who plans on watching the segment.
They said his DNA was not a match …
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Bruce. What a great tattoo. A wonderful tribute to your son. Bless you sir.
I believe the evidence speaks for itself and the people or person involved.
I was wondering if there was any explanation for tut he tattoo of the words “Soriano” bring tattooed on her neck. Aside understand it certain tattoos in prison indicates that the person belongs to a particular gang.
It could be a name of a family member, or maybe someone she was dating. It might be something to explore, as it might have made her a target. As being a gang member found hanging around on another gang’s turf.
The DOENetwork says her “Soriano” tattoo was for her mother’s maiden name. ( link: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4101dfia.html)
I find it interesting that there was no mention of the police finding any fingerprints. Also, in regards to the .25 caliber firearm found at the scene. It would appear that it belonged to the victim. But, it not exactly identified as his. Which makes me wonder if the laundromat had ever been robbed before. This might explain Mr. Hill’s possible need to carry a weapon.
Also, he was stabbed 21 times, which would possibly point to someone bring extremely angry with him. Also, he was shot once. But, the authorities did not identify the caliber of the bullet. I might assume he was shot with the .25 caliber. But, it is an assumption.
In regards to the suggestion of Timothy Jay Vafeades being involved. It appears that he kept his victims captive. Lonnie Bierbodt, makes a better suspect, for the following reasons:
He lived close to where her body was found. He was visiting family, who lived close to where she first disappeared. The blanket she was wrapped up in had a Kenworth logo on it. He drove a Kenworth truck. Also, the musical watch. Also, he sold his truck within days of her being found.
However, all this is circumstantial evidence. It appears that the authorities most likely did not handle the processing of evidence properly. The processing of the crime scene is very important, this includes maintaining a proper chain of custody, as it is passed along to crime labs.
The two guys caught and charged in the kidnapping and murder of Bobby Frank’s, in 1920’s Chicago, were caught because of a pair of eyeglasses found where his body was dumped. It turned the eyeglass frame was something new from the eyeglass company Almer & Coe. It turned only three people in the Chicago area, had eyeglasses with those new frames.
Also, Colonel Goddard, MD, U.S. Army Reserve, was brought in by Cook County Coroner Jury, to process the St. Valentine Day massacre. He found that two Thompson sub machine guns had been used. One had a 50 round drum magazine and the other had a straight 20 round magazine.
Both weapons were found in the residence of Fred “Killer” Burke, in St. Joseph. He also shot and killed a policeman, who was assigned to investigate a vehicle accident Burke was involved in.
I worked with Mattie Lou also as a teacher’s aide back in 1976-1977. She was always really kind to me and all of the students. I’ve never forgotten her and have always hoped that we would know what happened. Her family should know she is still loved by me and many.
MIKED-its my understanding she was alone when last seen leaving place “a” to place “b” and I don’t think she was actually reported missing until day or days later.
My theory is she left the bar at closing time (or perhaps a little before) and passed out in her car. Both her keys and money were found in the car suggesting Crystal was in the car before she went missing.
But I also think the car moved and whoever moved her car took advantage of the fact she was passed out/intoxicated, and took her somewhere and removed her from the car before returning it to the parking spot.
So the kind of evidence this case needs is proving Crystal was in the backseat or passenger seat of her car and proof someone else was driving. Considering the circumstances and suspects I don’t think they’d gone very far. Five miles maybe. 20 minutes total round trip. The car is gone maybe a total of half an hour to forty five minutes depending on what he/they did. Her car moving suggests two people if they are heading out of town, but returning the car to the parking lot suggests a suspect who lives more locally or someone who needs to be back at the bar to establish an alibi.
Also something to consider: last seen 2am bar time? (bars tend to set their clocks a half hour so they close by 2am with no patrons inside the bar as is the law) or 2am real time when the bar is supposed to be closed with no patrons? Now I don’t know if Knickers sets its clocks a half-hour fast, but it is something to consider when we put a timeline together to pinpoint the time and place someone last saw Crystal and match that up with a suspect.
I think those brothers lived in Dubuque at that time on West 5th St…
She didn’t have her car. Family took it home after the fireworks before she went to tge bar. She didn’t want to drink and drive. Video inside tge bar shows her coming in but never leaving.
Your theory about the car is less likely to have actually occurred because this is something the police could have confirmed with physical evidence. They searched and found nothing of note. I think it is more likely that she dropped her personal belongings off. This could have been at someone’s suggestion.
Mr. Ben,
I think you have a good theory, but I imagine there would have been DNA of the other individual in her car had that been where she passed out—that’s even considering that she passed out and was lifted out of the vehicle without physical resistance. My theory more resembles someone or more than one individual saying, “Yeah, just leave your things in your car and meet us (here).” Something like that.
Law enforcement would have looked all over for her DNA.
This was my big brother and I will always love and miss him. He has a younger brother Anthony who just had a son last year. He named him Chris after his brother. If anybody has any pictures or anything of my brothers I will be willing to drive from where I’m at to where you’re at to grab it for my nephew and my brother. We just want answers as to what happened that night.
Why wasn’t her boyfriend at the time considered a suspect?
Why is no one talking? She didn’t get there by herself! So aggravating & frustrating!
I was her roommate at Prelude with her a few months before she went missing. She was always screaming and crying on the phone with her boyfriend. The minute I heard of this I thought it was him
Have you spoken to the police about this?
Praying for justice for her!
Somebody knows something and no one talks.
From what the family is saying on here it was Uncle Roy who is now dead.
If that’s so then justice will be done in Heaven.
So sad & sick!
If he confessed to it I feel they could have at least followed up on it!
So sad that they both were murdered!
Praying for justice!
Wendell Beets has passed away:
https://www.echovita.com/us/obituaries/ia/cedar-rapids/wendell-a-beets-12362748
Thanks so much for this update, Kim!
I wonder who asked her to hold a gun for them. Also, her ex-husband was doing time. I am concerned about this guy Smith, who is a drug counselor after serving time with her ex-husband at the age of 22.
I think that with her husband being in prison, that she would shy away from holding a gun for someone. She lucked out and got probation. However, her mentioning that she was bring possibly asked to be an informant put her life at risk.
Audrey, you suggest a connection to the murder of Teresa Sue Hilt. However, in Teresa’s case, she was beaten, raped, strangled, and stabbed. Also, the blood at the crime scene was cleaned up, and her body covered with a sheet.
In Judith’s case, she died from blunt force trauma. The crime scene was different. The only apparent connection was that they were both college students. But Teresa was working on a graduate degree.
I disagree with the thought on Teresa’s case, that the offender was a female. This assumption is based on the cleaning of the crime scene and her body covered with the sheet. A good profiler would look at the crime scene, and explain why it most likely was a male offender.
I wonder if the police ever identified the guy, who was harassing her.
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I think they need to revisit this Richard guy. He’s a cheat & I think there’s more to this story. Also, if they can get a DNA sample from the baby I feel like that’s going to help too.
I miss my granny,,, I didn’t get the to spend a lot of time with her as an adult. I loved watching and betting on baseball with grandma. Grandma, I love and miss you
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It was clearly the father in law!
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How disgusting!!
They are all passed away now.
I hope there is piece for Gary & his wife now.
Praying for justice for her!
Praying for justice for both of these men!
I think these men were murdered by the same person and because I can tell by themselves right now
Praying for justice!
Thank you! From Joe Floyd’s Niece.
Toni was my hunska (adopted) sister, and I spoke to her two days before her murder. I have NEVER been interviewed by DCI, although I have volunteered to numerous times. She told me some things about what were going on, and that have bearing on the case. I do believe that the young man’s death and Toni’s are connected, and that DCI dropped the ball on her case.
To them, she is just another dirty NdN/Latina, and her life wasn’t worth anything to them. I wish that we could have some closure for the family, and for the Tiyospiya who loved her. Eric’s family deserves closure as well.
Well I graduated with both Tim and Terry Supino from Newton High School. I was friends with Tim Supino since Junior High at Berg. Was even over to his house a few times. Didn’t see anything out of the ordinary with the family. I didn’t really know Terri that well, but she seemed ok. And as far as if she killed them I have no idea. Them being out there the night they were killed would automatically put them on the suspect list. Now during the Cold Case interview Tim had said he told his sister they had to let the cops know that they had been out to the Ranch earlier in the night. Now why would he do that if he was guilty? Why not just let it ride and not say a thing. Evidently there was nothing discovered at the crime scene indicating they had been out there. As well I am sure that the police checked their vehicles for blood and evidence since it sounded pretty brutal. Also, to state it was definitely a crime of passion and not a drug hit I beg to differ. There has been many cases of drug hits being very brutal with beatings and even cutting people up. It all depends upon the message trying to be sent. They can even be up close and personal as well. And if it is true they have an unidentified Male DNA they could trace it utilizing new method that they used to convict the Golden State Serial killer in CA. It enables them to tie Genetic DNA to known families which normally match to 98% or so and get to the bottom of who was there. They have definitely come a long way with DNA testing.
As far as the trial goes remember the jurors have to find them guilty without a doubt. Just here say and conjecture does not make a case. The inability to find any physical evidence is very damaging to the case they made. Especially 31 years later? You would have thought they would have left behind some clue or piece of evidence to tie her to the murder. Or used newer methods to look over and test the evidence they kept. While crime scene methods were not as good back then especially for a small town I am sure they could have brought in other agencies for help. And for those blasting people for defending the people they know IE family members and friends I would defend my family to the utmost of my being even if I knew they did something wrong. You can call me evil or whatever I could care less, but family is family period. Don’t berate me for defending my family. I can definitely tell there is a lot of emotion surrounding this case so it is understandable. But the bottom line is she went to trial and was found “Not Guilty” by a jury so unless they come up with some New evidence then she should be left alone. Besides I am sure a lot of us have said things in a fit of anger that are very damning. I don’t understand why they waited 31 years to bring it to trial. Seems to me that even back then they determined they didn’t have enough evidence back then to go to trial and what they had was just circumstantial at best. Well hopefully all involved can get on with their lives and leave it all behind as best they can. Hopefully some day the truth will come out and everyone can move on. Best of luck.
Toni knew what happened and who killed Eric, that’s why they made her disappear and quickly. I don’t know why more isn’t being said about the Anderson family – or what she found out happened in the Anderson home that night Eric was shot. She was concerned and wasn’t accepting the fluff answer that authorities and other’s close to the situation were giving to the public. Following her death, all neighbors should have been equally concerned as SHE WAS or even more-so, but where did we see that? The Keokuk PD put out the false impression that they were trying to investigate when they accused her boyfriend Lewis Greer but did not have evidence. Either way, if I am not mistaken – I believe he has now passed away as of March of last year (2020).
Shouldn’t it be mentioned that the Anderson family in one way or another now has at LEAST 10 different lots in their name surrounding the two crime scenes? There are no neighbors to “find anything,” let alone witnesses since 10 different lots and a number of the homes in those few blocks are owned by different members of the Anderson family this can easily be verified to this day – this wasn’t long ago. Who’s concerned that two murders happened in two days on the same block? I know I sure would be if my entire family lived up and down the street – even if it was in 1999.
Eric’s homicide still being accepted as an ‘accident’ after what happened to Toni after she started to talk about the details of what happened are such an obvious cover up. I am sorry but the hush hush KPD does not have a reputation of being honest or straightforward, just look at how they treated the family of Theresa Lund after her disappearance and murder and I quote – “well it looks like she finally left you” to Terry Bell her fiance at the time before she was found dead. I think anyone who knows Keokuk even a little has story or knows someone with a story about the crooked police, it’s not exactly a secret in Lee County or Iowa for that matter.
What kind of condition is Toni’s house in now vs. then? Why weren’t Eric’s friends at the Anderson’s house more forthcoming about the tragic incident? If this happened in your home to a ‘guest’ wouldn’t you be doing so much more to remember that person and talking about what could have been done differently? If your family/extended family owned at least 10 city-lots with two tragic deaths – (one a confirmed murder and another that IS supposed as murder) – wouldn’t you be doing so much more to encourage police investigation and to improve a neighborhood that you supposedly ‘cherish’ and own? Who’s muffling the squealers around there?
The biggest problem here, and it’s sad I have to point this out – is that Toni and Eric didn’t get the investigation they deserve. Toni’s case was a quick distraction to shut everyone up. Eric was never investigated fully either let alone as a murder. The shoulder shrug lip service was ‘stick with the gun loading accident.’ More investigation needs to be done for Dolores. An ACTUAL investigation needs to be done for Eric. This was not a long time ago and the answer is definitely out there.
I would also like to mention, Keokuk is not a place that changes – the answer is out there like it’s yesterday.
Family and friends should be enraged, not defensive. Not investigating Eric’s death as a murder is truly the crime happening here. Both cases would unfold rather quickly.
Who are you A Martin
A. Martin, we have a Facebook group called THE MURDERS OF ERIC REDINBO & DOLORES HORNUNG. I hope you will join, we would love to have you as a member.
Mark Milligan
Only Very Brief on Automated Traffic Control Records
Your Case Supreme Court? Imagine Extensive Research.
I Dont Know if ALBIA Iowa USED 1984 Just BUMPED ino article some places started 1972. Iowa One of Limited States that USES
If EVEN still around Micro Can Imagine Dust
Interesting Note
Mark Milligan saw Supreme Court Case you Lost on Automated Red Light Ticket around 2016.
Automated Traffic Control was in USE all the way Back to 1972.
Saw not Public Record.
May be why Harrys Headlight Incident Not RECORD. Just Newspaper.Sometimes MICRO Taped placed In Box Stotage, Lil Dusty by NOW
LE may have access if FILED X # Years. Sometimes Do May NIP Harrys Ticket ISSUE in the Bud.
I’m not an expert by any means but I have been a domestic violence advocate for 15 years. The personal nature of Pat’s murder points to someone close to her. Some marriages aren’t as happy as they seem from the outside. I’m sorry to all of Pat’s family and friends. I know how hard this must be, no matter how much time passes.
It’s an open secret in North Iowa that the police killed Jodi and have been aggressively covering it up for 25 years. Anyone who looks into it gets heavy retaliation from the police and sees their lives ruined or ended suspiciously.
At this point, there’s no one left to get justice for in this case. Jodi’s dead, her mom’s dead, and the silenced witnesses are dead. MCPD remains a bastion of corruption and cronyism.
No justice, just us.
Husband did it. Two thoughts. 1) Based on Bill’s comment about finding out that Jason had an affair, he said ‘We (he and Shirley) did something wrong’. That is a comment based on morality. He felt there was a failure on their part in raising Jason. As a moral man, he may have believed he could do no wrong, and place the blame entirely on his wife. This also sounds familiar with the reports that Bill was a very controlling husband. 2) Where’s the rifle? Husband claims the son hid the rifle somewhere on the property, and retrieved it later to get rid of it. Couldn’t the husband do the exact same thing? Husband had more opportunity to get ride of the gun along the stretch of roads during his traveling to sell the grain. Or on his return. 3) Spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to investigate the son is a sign of deflection/guilt. He essentially blamed the son for the death of his wife, because he thought it was her fault that their son had an affair. And 4) most important. It is HIGHLY unlikely that a son who just murdered his mother in cold blood would EVER touch her body to carefully place her hands crossed over her chest
THAT is something that a husband/lover/significant other would do. Basically placing a loved one “at rest’. Jmho
Deplorable
Someone knows something!!!! Please let her family get peace!!!
Too bad there isn’t more information out there. When was the last time he was seen alive? Was he employed at the time? Was that a normal apartment or the kind of place made available to Eagle’s Lodge members going through hard times?
DCI spoke to his employer and co-workers. But it wasn’t unusual for Boner to no come to work some days. I believe that when he was discovered that he was wearing the same clothes that he had on the last day he had went to work.
What really bothers me about this case is that it just doesn’t make any sense. First of all, there were 10 other duplexes where she lived and no one heard anything at a time when people are regularly home? The fact that her phone lines were cut doesn’t make sense for it to be just a simple robbery gone wrong especially when there are no signs of forced entry and nothing of note was missing. the fact that she was murdered between 6:00 and 6:30pm, where it would be light outside and there is a higher chance of beeing seen. Also the fact that the medical examiner said that she only had “slight” signs of a struggle just does not make sense. Paired with thte fact that there were no signs of forced entry it makes it seem like she knew the person who killed her. Apparently her husbands alibi checked out. Could it have been someone from her work or school that followed her home? Was the murder weapon ever recovered? Why were the clothes she was wearing described but not much else was? Why was the husband immediatly cleared in the origional DesMoines register article that announced her death? that just doesn’t seem normal to be like “This woman was killed, but her husband didn’t do it!” There are just so many questions
To answer Kennedy directly… Lack of neighbor observation is a little troubling. A re-interview of neighbors after this many years might allay the usual fear of getting involved and anyone who did see something may have tired of guilt over failing to speak up.
The cut lines are also troubling. It was never clear whether the lines were cut outside or inside the home. That alone would make a difference in the timeline and motivation. What kind of tool was used? Was a tool found? I can tell the difference between scissors, knife and wire cutters for example. Outside wires would be harder to cut.
Second or third hand hearsay shortly after the murder from people who rode with her indicated her husband was at work at a shipper’s sorting facility at the time of the murder and could not have traveled in the available time. Further hearsay was that he had called home twice during that time. Once the phone was picked up but no one answer and later the phone was busy. Since both of these are hearsay I would rather see the police reports than rely on it. I would think police would have checked phone records at work and would also have checked whether her husband could have arranged a killing.
We know none of this, so anything one might conclude about the murder is pure speculation. What is needed for any further progress is a lot more information, information the police are unlikely to release.
The detective who interviewed me was interested in her contacts, potential extra marital interests and friends among those who commuted with her to school. I knew of no liaisons and had heard no rumors but I provided lists and schedules of those who rode with her. My job was to maintain the schedules for the commuter club. If they followed up with those people it could be as many as 5 people each way for each day of the week she rode or drove. I got no feedback or contact from police after that interview. Further hearsay indicated she rode back from school in an earlier car which was a common practice in the club. Even more people would have to be interviewed.
In most cases I’ve gotten the impression police are rather exhaustive in interviewing potential contacts in murder cases.
I wonder whether any physical evidence such as her clothing were preserved that could be checked for DNA. That might be helpful, much more so if it were found on a weapon or on wire cutters or the phone or wire themselves.
Yes, there are many questions that we in the public cannot begin to help answer. Especially after so many years, it would be good for the police to release information to a limited review team to get fresh eyes on it, but not wholesale publication. I am sure police are and all of us should be concerned about wild speculation and life destroying false accusations that can go viral on the internet. It is so easy for people to gen up hysteria regarding totally innocent people on flimsy, incorrect or even false evidence and literally destroy their lives. The Atlanta bombing and the drowning of Elissa Lam are two that come to mind.
It is also possible the police know exactly who killed Mary but are unable to prove it with enough evidence to convict. Perhaps they know but that person is serving a long prison sentence already. Perhaps they know but the person is dead. Perhaps the person is avoiding prosecution overseas. Releasing information could jeopardize future prosecution or foil plans to capture that person. Releasing information they can’t yet prove can expose them to defamation lawsuits etc.
I got a hint from what Kennedy wrote that he may suspect some kind of cover up. Unanswered questions about how quickly the husband was cleared are not evidence of malfeasance. They are simply unanswered questions.
Clinton Iowa has the most cold case deaths in Iowa. Very sad
Why aren’t the physical addresses mentioned? Maybe the evidence is still around like the gun? Sorry for your losses🙏🏻.. Kpd threw me in jail with a broken jaw and I had a T.BI. Didn’t care if I died in Lee County…
It depends how they handled it. Also, they may not want to reveal wh as they have. Although they may have used it to try and convict her boyfriend. However, they may not want to spend the money to retest something unless it might provide an investigative lead.
Thanks for sharing that touching story sounds close to mine I’m aka Seville
Seville, Hopefully life is treating you well, as life can be hard,
Take care Babydoll
you worked at Grapevine?
What is Keokuk Police doing? There were comments from Toni after his death?
I knew this family years ago, his son Dovey, Big Earl, Earl JR, Andre.
Dovey helped me survive in 1984-1989,do to my parents kicking me out , being molested, and lots of other factors, not having anywhere to go.
The best advice they gave me was, you can play a victim all your life, or you can be strong and be a survivor, because life is hard.
Sugar Bear helped me when Dovey and I had a falling out, and tried to make it right.
Years later I seen Sugar Bear, he asked me why I left the family, we had a conversation, I explained and he told me no matter what, he’d always thought of me as family, I genuinely feeI the same. I know, Sugar Bear wasn’t the most examplillary person, but him and Dovey did have good advice.
Another piece of his advice was, if I’m asking you something, I already know the answer, so yours better be right.
He will live on , through his family and friends.
He always was hustling, trying to make a dollar, make more than what he grew up with.
He gave shelter to alot of people, at Hollywood Hookup, his car lots and other business ventures. May his family someday get justice for him.
He was always proud of his family, not many knew alot about him except those closest, may he rest in peace.
BabyDoll
Hey Babydoll, This is Amy…was with JR. Good to see your still around. We will all miss Big Earl. He was a good Man
Amy , yes he was. Wishing we were in Florida right now, as the weather here is horrible. Glad to see your around too
I thought that was you, take care
You too
Hello Johnny Gosch,… Please email me we have talked before my friend
Obviously she did this or knew who did.
His poor wife!
To find out your husband is cheating on you & that he’s dead.
Praying the killer is found!
They need to do DNA testing!
Praying this gets solved!!
Praying they catch this killer!
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I hate to say it, but is there any way this could possibly be a suicide and coincidentally be that close to Brenda Dailey’s murder? I know, it’s really crazy to be so close together in both time and location, but I just think it’s strange that it happened so close to his wife’s death and their wedding anniversary. So sorry for the family, that must have been so hard to deal with both parents dying that close to one another and not knowing for sure what happened to their father!
I’m mostly wondering why they called it a homicide. Is it because nobody thought he could’ve fallen down the stairs, or is it because there is other evidence pointing to the fact that he may have been murdered?
Yes DCI was never called and the lady that was there owed a lot of people money. I believe she saw my dad as a way the thing in his wallet. And if I remember right his pickup was found in front of house and his Cadillac suv was found in front of Catholic Church. I believe if this happened in any other a deeper investigation would have been executed. Jared Clausen I believe doesn’t have the qualifications to Investigate a murder. When he told me ambulance left my dad would be fine he was up and talking. I find that hard to believe when Kathy called her brother because Dan fell downstairs her brother lives in ida grove 30 minutes from Mapleton. It was said she couldn’t get my dad up in chair and her brother “Had to get my Dad up in chair” now if someone fell downstairs my stairs and couldn’t get up I’d call 911 for ambulance. I’m not a so called investigator like Mr. Clausen but wouldn’t you wanna call DCI for a homicide and on further investigation wouldn’t you wanna pull bank records and credit card records? And wouldn’t her charges be accessory to murder and her brother. I believe there are
More things they know and officer Clausen are know. These are my opinions! My gma hieber deserves a right to know who killed her son and we as children deserve the right to her had four sisters also and my uncle Kenny deserves it to. I hope someone who knows or I hope someone has yo see holes In the story’s given why fight Clausen call dci and why didn’t sister and brother get questioned deeper and why she called him if someone was hurt that bad. Question the ambulance how apparent was my dad is it like they said?!?!
I’m sorry I typed that fast. I meant he had atm cards and credit cards I believe they were used after the murders they weren’t found in his wallet. He had his mother and us kids and 4 sisters who deserve an answer. I’m sorry I also meant I believe if this happened in any other Town DCI would’ve been called. And I believe she saw my dad as a way to pay her debts. I’m sorry for the mistyping. You can piece these things in from the first post.
No way it was suicidal!!
I heard many stories about Matt Kennedy and the family growing up. So sad. Happy
to hear justice will be served.
uh huh, I’ve heard many stories about you too Phil W. Your family really isn’t too fond of you buddy.
i am erin’s aunt and fully believe curtis padgett did abduct erin and i believe he knows exactly where she is.
After reading a small snippet of her story, he absolutely seems responsible. Got rid of the truck, started having violent outbursts, dropped out of school.. did he have family working in law enforcement? I hope they get the bastard to give your family justice and closure.
THIS IS A SCAM THERE IS NO JADE THOMPSON WHO KNOWS MY FAMILY. DO NOT DONATE ANY MONEY
Trivia Comment: How many cows does everyone think is in Montana? I guaranty you are wrong!
Plot twist: Volemort did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE WILL RISE SOON!!!!!!! BEWARE OF MORE DEATH, MORE WILL COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What does Harry Potter have to do with any of this
Who’s Harry Potter?:o I was talking about VOLDEMORT!
Did Rita have a vehicle that is also missing? If so, what are the details of that vehicle? If she didn’t, how did she normally get around? News reports say she was last seen at the casino and other says she went missing after leaving the casino. Casinos have a lot of cameras, even the parking lots. Was she last seen leaving alone or with someone else? Did she get in a car?
I have a problem, with the fact that the cause of death has not been released
She was murdered over 30 years ago, what are they waiting for. Did they expect that someone was going to walk in and confess to a crime they did not committ.
We have other cases involving homicides, where we know the cause of death. Many agencies do hold back some tidbit of information kn these Cases. But again after 20, 30 or 40 years, and the case is unsolved, what good has it done.
Also, many departments are remiss in keeping in contact with victims families. They have no clue, that this causes the victim’s families. So, it appears to the family that the death of their loved one, is not big deal, and that the police don’t care.
The one investigator mentions that most of their homicides were drug related. So, he is okay with that. So, it was the victim’s fault that she was murdered.
A new book about Paula is coming in June:
What Happened to Paula: On the Death of an American Girl
Hardcover – June 15, 2021
by Katherine Dykstra
> In July 1970, eighteen-year-old Paula Oberbroeckling left her house in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and never returned. A cold case for fifty years, Paula’s story had been largely forgotten when Katherine Dykstra began looking for answers. A woman was dead. Why had no one been held responsible? How could a community give up and move on? Could there ever be justice for Paula?
> Tracing the knowns and unknowns, Dykstra discovers a girl who was hemmed in by the culture of the late 1960s, when women’s rights had been brought to the fore but had little practical bearing on actual lives. The more she learns about Paula, the more parallels Dykstra finds in the lives of the women who knew Paula, the lives of the women in her own family, and even in her own life…What Happened to Paula is a timely, powerful look at gender, autonomy, and the cost of being a woman.
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….. I’ll tell you.. the certain sacrifices got to be made in life. If that was my family that nurse would be dead and a whole bunch of other people would be gone
because honestly nothing’s work so far trying to do the honest way
There has been misconduct issues with law enforcement, county attorneys and court appointed attorneys. If you of low social status, you get no justice.
Could someone please clarify what specific years Les worked in law enforcement?
he left the Douglas county sheriffs department in the early 80’s
Les is a liar I bet he never worked in law enforcement just like I bet he was not a minister.
Didn’t it state that Hanni brought back a guy with him from the Jet where the two had been drinking? How does anyone know this. Who else was at the home that night that can positively identify or state that the 2 men showed up at the home together or maybe hanni came home alone and this other guy could have tailed him to the home and shot them all stole their dope and took off in the dead of the night. Or wait his new girlfriend was there and how ironic she decides to up and leave in the dead of the night after 1am to drive back to where she’s from? Now how long was she here in sioux city with him? Why she leave so abruptly and at that time. How was she going to get back home drive? What made her decide to go back home. Or did she leave with the other man that came home with hanni? Talk about a lucky gal. And what about the wild bunch that the cops said were known to use drugs that came home with them and trashed the house or left it in a mess? And what about the little rat who goes and tells the cops ” oh by the way I swiped some weed from one of the guys earlier in the night at the house. Who does that?? Only an idiot who wants to implicates himself in the home the night of the murder and now as a thief and possibly something more. What was his follow up interviews like? The 3 were no good that’s for sure. Hanni eats out a big dope dealer in Denver’s prolly because he couldn’t pay his weed bill and was most likely told he’d pay with his A$$ so he decides to be a SNITCH. WHAT HAPPENS TO A SNITCH IN JAIL. YEP HE DON’T LIVE TO SEE TOMORROW. Now anti union views wouldn’t of gone over well back in the 70’s either. Ibp had some bad strikes where houses were blown up back in 70’z and 80’s n animals were even killed hung up on clotheslines they said?? Now the old ladies or mother n friend entered the home they see the pregnant girlfriend first, as she was shot dead and her leg is stuck in the small swinging doors they used to separate rooms back then. Where was she going? Now Hanni was all dressed and still in his winter coat out in another room or the room where the pregnant gal lay and he was face down shot execution style in the back of the head behind the ear and in the back. And lastly the woman find her son Billy in another room he shared with his pregnant g/f, and he’s naked prolly because him n his girl were what done having sex and she went out to get him a beer or her something to eat or drink, and now let’s figure out who’s shot first? Billy is in their makeshift bedroom where the mattress was and he’s naked, she’s in her robe barely made out of the bedroom, and Hanni is fully dressed laying face down fully clothed. I’d say the wild bunch who came over and trashed house and drank with them and they were known to be bad news on dope, probably made hanni think he could ride along with them so he got popped 1st, she come running out and she got popped 2nd, and Billy awakes to all this noise and standing there naked one of the no good bunch slips behind him puts gun to his head and says good night sorry to wake you but you just laid on us so bang your dead but you were still moving so a couple more for good measure , they steal their dope and leave and collect the ransom money from the colorado dope dealer that hanni ratted on and anyone who talks will be next. I seriously doubt it had anything to do with anti union b/s. They came here to hide and work not sit out on an upcoming picket line. They never stayed in one place long enough. So naturally when asked if they will honor the strike they prolly said hell with the union I came here to work. Sure that didnt go over well them being new guys. I’m sure it didn’t garner and murder scheme over it. They carried guns in lunch boxes cause they were snitches, petty thieves and credit card buyers prolly purse snatchers too. But when you owe the dope dealer money and rat him out to avoid paying him and he gets jail time he’s gonna tell the boys you find those little bitches and snitches and see to it they don’t have the chance to snitch again. I’m surprised their tongues weren’t cut out. That was mafia style for a snitch in the 70’s. They came up here because mom n dad hot the hell out a dodge where they were from so g/f is knocked up cant just leave her let’s go to iowa see mom n dad for a bit then leave. Problem was they stayed too long and talked too much because I bet hanni was a talker. Prolly talked all kinds of crap like they were big time criminals, thieves, pot smokers and dope dealers themselves, so they had to get a job because they couldn’t all 4 stay with Billy’s mom n dad. So Hanni’s girl prolly says ” you guys said we were only going to iowa to visit and go back to her hometown but they lied to her so she says I need to go take care of a couple things and I’ll be back. Well she had no plans to come back. She was gonna rat out their butts soon as she got home but someone already beat her to it and in the dope world a bounty on a snitch’s head travels fast and back then those biker rough crowd that did them in prolly was getting their weed from colorado or California and bikers transported that stuff back then. So word of mouth travels like wildfire and they got wind of the bounty on these 2 clowns and they collected. If they’d a visited mom n dad and left they might a lived another week a month. But I still bet Hanni talked too much or to the wrong guys and someone found out about the hit the dope dealer in colorado prolly put on them and they couldnt pass it up. Cruel fricken world. But anytime you get involved in drugs and snitch out a guy instead of paying him and this is back in the 70’s. Mafia killings were going on, mafia was in the labor unions then too, Hoffa style but that didn’t cause these deaths. Snitching on a dope dealer did. That’s my opinion only. I played detective and I like my theory. Can’t stay in one place too long fellas. You knew that. A gun in the lunchbox in the car can’t do much for ya now can it. Remember when grandma or grandpa said watch the company you keep. When your new in town, you keep your mouth shut, you don’t tell where your really from ever. And never bring strangers into your home. And don’t go in there’s remember. Nope you forgot. Bang your dead, and so us she and so is he. It was coming soon anyway because you guys lied to hanni’s new girl so she bailed on you and by the skin of her teeth did she make it home in the nick of time and able to to tell about it to her grandkids. She would of been your snitch just someone beat her to it.
Excellent synopsis.
It seems fairly likely that Reed is actively omitting parts of the story like Zirtzman’s involevement in the rescue, could she be trying to distance herself from him? Could she have been trying to avoid anyone suspecting her involevement in Zirtzman’s testimony?
The terrible condition of Jaymie points to possible child abuse, this is backed up by the scalding-like burn marks on her body causing the burnmarks on 33% of her body, yet not causing any singeing of the hair. Could Jaymie have been trying to ease pain from scalding by submerging herself in the bathtub?
I theorize that Zirtzman had been exploited to take the blame, this could be done by promising him that he would also be hailed as a hero after giving the testimony that someone else prepared for him. Could Reed have been the one to design the testimony?
Reed possibly caused the fire to cover up the abuse of Jaymie, afterall if she died in a fire thsi would cover up the scalding wounds and make the bacteria in Jaymie significantly harder to detect.
ORIGINNALY “Perked” my Interest. Still Does. Hpwever taken Up enouhj Comment SPACE.
I’m Gone for NOW. Think Mark Milligan Mentioned LE has Opened “CI”Case.
Plenty County, State , City Investigators.
thx
Painting(Sketch) Time Board Albua Iowa
July st 1984 Albia Iowa Poipulation1984?
Sunrise 543AM Didnt GiveHARRY Long Prior to SUNRISE if Left üptown 5-530
Weather Conditions? read
`977 Pontiac Grand Prix average 15mpg at 16 gallons
Gasoline stations?
AVERY approx 7Miles Away..
In Portrait WHO Standing inin Business District with Harry
1977 Pontiac Grand Prix Average 60 MPH Country Backroad
On Full Tank Can Plot Where “Harry” Could JAVE been VARIOUS Roads EVERY 10 Miles or 10 MINUTES
Avery(House 10 Miles or 10 Minutes?.
Daylighr CLOSE
Ticket Issued for Headlamps What Day? ANY OTHER Tickrts By that COP Near Time Frame? The Lag Newspaper DATE Published and Written,
Small Town “Harry turn Your Headlights ON”!(Warning per say) Wasnt LIKE Midnight
Imagine Festive DAYS Picking Uo. Small TOWN with 4th July Activities CLOSE
Anyone ASK if “Harry”had Part 4th? Should BEEN Returned
1977 Grand Prix 240 Miles Full Tank Gas(Most Daylight Driving)
Imagine MONTHLY Marine Reservist CHECK? If Active. When did Harry Cash Last Military Check or ANY Deposit. EVEN if BANK No RECORD Military Finances?
Clothes or Suitcase Obvious in CAR Preplanned Trip.
“Harrys” Civilian Job?
ect ect ect The Picture Will Fill In with more Colors.
Put TimeLINE in Perspective and Not GARBBLED or Haywired
Sue, I have found that a lot of records from Iowa are not on Ancestry for some unknow9reason. If anything there should have been a Social Security Death Index entry. But then he died in 1960.
The other surprising thing is there is no mention of him having a family, unless he was estranged from his family.
The other problem is how can the public help with the investigation when we have no information to work with. We don’t know how he died, where he died, or any other detail related to him being murdered.
It is sad that the police department decided to keep most of anything from the public. Yet, it appears the present leadership has not made an effort to release more details. b
Praying that God brings justice for you Micheal & your father family!
My heart breaks for you & your sisters as well as his bride to be!!
We’re their any signs of a struggle?
She was beaten to death so I’m sure she would have struggled with her attacker.
I wonder if she has his/her blood under her finger nails?!
Praying the killer is brought to justice!
The fingerprints they have need to be run through Codis.
They need to exhume her body & get DNA OR test that DNA they do have.
Something needs to be done.
This is sick & it needs to be solved.
So disturbing.
My heart breaks for all involved as well as that many police officers who investigated this case.
Praying this gets solved & that the offender gets caught!
It’s obviously being covered up.
AS THE SON OF THIS TRAGEDY, TO THIS DAY, MY BIOLOGICAL MOTHER & HER FAMILY HAVE REFUSED TO OFFER ANY SUPPORT ON THIS ISSUE. INFACT, THEY RATHER NOT DISCUSS, AND WERE MORE INTRESTED IN RUNNING ME OFF WHEN I TOOK THE TIME OUT OF MY LIFE TO CONFRONT THEIR PAST. THEY WERE MORE INTRESTED IN SHUNNING MYSELF. RICHARD MCKINLEY SKILLINGS, PATRICIA ANN KELLEY SKILLINGS, THEIR CHILDREN, MICHELLE,SHELIA,MARK & MIKE SKILLINGS. IF YOU KNOW ANY OF THESE FOLKS, ENLIGHTEN ME IF YOU WOULD HOW THESE FOLKS CAN LOOK THE OTHER WAY TO THIS CRIME THEIR MOTHER WAS AWARE OF. THANK YOU.
Some situations just seem to stay with people their whole lives. Linda’s situation is one such situation that has stayed with me. I didn’t know Linda, or her family members, but I very clearly remember the case. I was a High School Sophomore living in Sgt. Bluff at the time, and I was bothered that her murder was unsolved and that her family had never received the justice that they deserved. A few years after her death (1987, I think) an older step brother of mine told me that one of his friends told him that he had killed Linda. I wasn’t told to the entire conversation, only that he said he did it, which was horribly vague. I was living in Kansas City at the time that my brother told me this, and I contacted the Sioux City Police in an attempt to pass the information to someone. I knew at the time it was a stretch, hearsay, whatever, but I was compelled to bring the information forward in hopes that someone would follow the lead. I was told by the person on the phone that information from someone who heard something from someone who heard another person wasn’t the sort of lead that would be helpful in the case. I was thanked for my call and that was that. To this day, I believe that Loren Brown killed Linda Bentley. Not just because my older step brother said he confessed to it, but because Loren Brown was one of the creepiest people I have ever met, and I believe him capable of killing someone without remorse.
I was living in Sioux City when my sister in law told me about the little boy Manuel Ramirez’s death right when it happened. I’m no police officer but right away told her that I suspected he was murdered !!! How on earth did these officers fail to realize this at the time. A few years ago I’d read the biological father was locked up and the child lived with the stepmother and her kids. This woman got away with murder !!! And from what I understand she may have fled to Mexico. HOW’S ABOUT PUTTING A WARRANT OUT FOR THIS THING THAT MURDERED THIS INNOCENT CHILD. I raised 9 children and would have gladly taken in this child. My heart breaks thinking how this little boy was more likely being treated. Father gone, mother gone and left to someone who killed him. 😭😭😭😭😭😭 One can only pray there’s a heaven and the angels and God are with him.
I think it was Dennis Beaver
To Mark Milligan
My Apptoach from INVESTIGATIVE Stanfpoint
INFORMATION Could STILL be of RECORD.
Things Should have been looked INTO even on “Suspious” Disapperance
For whatever ‘reason(s) were NOT
Haven’t Seen Mention Military “Dog Tags” 1984 WERE Popular as your aware FORMER Marine. Do you RECALL if “Harry” wore Regular? 21 at time Missing LOT young guys WORE even if NOT Active Status. VITAL in itself ïf” did. Lotta Open Country Iowa Understood. Lot of things GONE by now. Dpg Tags still around Somewhere UNLESS removed from “Harry” Even if removed. Maybe Metal Detector on ANY UNIDENTIFIED Suspect Sites may provide clue(s).
* Former Military Police Investigator (Army)
SAW LE has OPENED as CI Case. The Military Jacket “Harrys” last KNOWN timeline on Base. Medical, Dental and or ACTIVITIES on File?
Reason mention Hospital CHECK and Marine VA? Any Visits that time Frame.
Likely had Reservist ID possibly SSN “Printed” on front, Another “Door” Cracked.
Someone had ACCESS even 1984 to SSN Nip in BUD May still be PAPER Trail( electronic) Now if Financials Tampered with.
The Credit “Bureau” Giants Emerging in 80s
Know mentioned POSSIBLE $ around $1800 “Poker” Lot Money 1984. IF taken from “Harry” Spent SOMEWHERE or SOMEONE else. New Car Show up in Neighborhood?
I’m approaching as COLD Case with EMBERS still Burning.
I am in my 70s and grew up in the area. I am well aware of the gambling in K-town. The 400 Club was owned by Jay Hickey and was one of the oldest gambling establishments in town. Yes, it had a 2nd floor. Jay was a well like man and I know of no trouble at the club. It was said he ran an honest game.
I guess Judge Glanton we, missed the fact that Mr. Holt is dead at the hands of both individuals, that he released. Did, Judge Glanton, think that Mr. Holt, shot himself, or that the bullet came from ourtspace.
Also, there was bad blood, between the three of them, Mr. Holt did pull not pull a weapon of any kind. So, I hope that Judge Glanton, took the time to explain to Mr. Holt’s family, why he let two guys get away with causing his death.
I like that a witness claimed that Wilson had a good record in the community. I guess because of his dispute with Mr. Mure, another person iui s dead. I hope he or Mr. Mure went on to lead a good life and another family lost a loved one.
Certainly the Judge failed this case miserably! He definitely didn’t shoot himself and they both fired shots so….. The system failed Harold! RIP Big Bro!
Through DNA, I have found that Jerry Lee Huff is my birth father. I know he was not a good person, and running around the area at this time. If you need any DNA for cold cases….I’m willing to offer it. Good Luck on your case, very sad story.
What about this little boy? Boone Denton died Feb. 1, 2018, in Creston of complications from blunt force trauma to the abdomen, according to the state medical examiner’s office. So far, there have been no arrests in the case.
I’ve never heard of this boys death, was it not made public?
Pat Heideman contacted Dateline last year (2019). Dateline had contacted him yesterday and they are doing a show including this story. Hopefully this will get solved in 2021.
Hello, I’m Michael David Rogers Jimmy’s son. Thank you for taking and interest and keeping this tragic story alive! Means alot to me.
Under what circumstances could someone legally adopt a 28 year old at the time this happened?
All these years later Les finally gets arrested for stuff that he allegedly has been doing for years, according to comments on this forum. The other question, is the involvement of Kim’s mother Joyce. She, appears to have allowed her husband Les, to do a lot of bad stuff over the years.
I think that she has some explaining to do. She moved in and married this man. She appears to be okay, with his actions and abuse. I wonder if covered up other abuse by her living husband.
they are letting him get away with it again
That is not right! He should not be breathing. Im so sorry you all have suffered so much. Rip kim
Matt we went to school together
I agree! Kim was a awesome person and deserves justice. She had her whole life ahead of her.
Praying this gets solved!
What was he doing alone on a gravel road at night? How did he get there? Where was he going?
I don’t understand why the Davenport Police did not complete a report. This is the basic part of their job. Even though someone claimed that it was a suicide. The coroner or medical examiner makes the final decision on cause of death.
There should be an investigation by an outside agency to determine who is at fault. If necessary they should be charged with obstruction of justice. This reflects the trust the community has that their police department conducting any investigation.
This starts at the chief and goes down hill. It reflects on his leadership that he allowed this to happen.
This is so obvious to me.
His “best friend” was having an affair with his wife then she takes the kids away for the weekend & he just happens to be murdered?!
Then his “best friend” just HAPPENS “finds” him & automatically try’s to say he committed suicide?!
THE “best friend” has friends at the police station & they don’t even TRY to do the MOST BASIC of police work but instead just try to confuse & cover things up?!
His wife & “best friend” have now gone on to their judgement.
My heart breaks for his children & family!
Les Kennedy arrested for child abuse:
https://nonpareilonline.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-charged-with-multiple-counts-of-child-abuse/article_9f3de36c-3387-50a8-82ca-f7d9788ff6db.html
Most excellent!
There’s a special place in hell for child abusers. Throw in the mothers of Ricky Morehouse & Keara Coshow into the deep recesses of hell as well.
Why so little interest in this tragic incident??
That’s a great question, I’m wondering the same… I’ve never even heard of this case and I’ve lived in the area all my life.
It’s very sad! His family still misses him deeply everyday and just wants answers! Although, I’m sure our lovely police department will never get them the closure they need.
My heart hurts for her sister and what happened to Mrs. Reimann, It takes a special kind of low life coward to harm anyone but especially elderly, handicap, children and of course animals. I pray for justice.
May be of Interest How a Car Can Change
Inspection 1970 Chevelle AUTHENTICATION on You Tube
I’v had Fun with CARS thru the Years. 1969 Challenger 1969 Mustang and 1976 Ford Stepside.
How a CAR can Change. Nothing wrong with THAT. NOTED. May “Perk”Intrest.
Not VISIBLE except Close INSPECTION. Car Collector. “Gives 1970 Chevelle Once Over “per Say (No Spell Check obvious)
The Original Car “Somewhat”Vanished. Owner(s) FIXED to Personal Liking.
John. Got a Chuckle if Anything.
Speculation? Listen What you just said.
If you Jump in the Pond and Find Car. You wont be Speculating.
If YOU don’t FIND Car guess What?
Think they Welcome Comments. Someones “kid” Reads this May have Idea
or Speculation meant in Sincerity.
FACT: Harry is Missing and has Not Returned. No Video Survveillance has SHOWED Up(yet) Tho even 1984 would seem Video Poker Room.
Winner might wanna Keep Hidden……for Later Laugh
yet. No Conversation with “Harry” revealed of What he said to indicate What or Where
other than SPECULATED Headed *(yet)* 36 Year Old Cold Case’. Did Not Know
Personally. Have Not Spoke to Neighbors or Friends.(or Harry) So I Even Speculate
What was “Harrys”” Hobbies, Hang Outs, Best Friends, Cop Issues 1984 (dtugs ect not to SAY Involved.
Someone OTHER than “Magecian” Make Car Vanish. Most Magecians work on Illusions.
Fence? Strip? Water?
This Case be Nice Harry showed up, been in Mexico. Might Slug him then ask “Want Beer”?
Was YOU Wondering if I WAS Still Around. Lurking in Background?
More of Question to Draw Out ANY Responsw
Water issue SOMEWHAT Searched. (Similiar to Recent Find of Man in Car) Arrest Made believe.
LE Advised believed Dived Twice. Then Found Car
Sorry if I rained on your speculation spoltight Russ! Judging by your amount of posts you feel your answers are the most correct even if not really probable. My suggestion was based on likely probability and not speculation. Many times (several) when some one and their vehicle disappears as well, it quite often went in the water somewhere near. You obviously feel there is a major conspiracy like Jimmy Hoffa disappearing and are enjoying the spotlight for your conspiracy theories!
Enjoy your limelight Russ!
Looking at the comments they appear to be a lot of hearsay, rumor, and speculation and few if any real facts. If you look closely at Google earth at the road from Albia to Avery, you’ll see a fair sized pond right next to the road on the outside of a curve along the way. If some one were to doze off or pass out going into that curve, they’d obviously end up in that pond with little to no evidence of it even happening.
Instead weaving a bunch of speculation, you should do something factual and positive and seriously check that pond out!
Corrected
Hyden Harris over VEHICLE Cpl US Army
December 2020
Indicates Heated Exchange Meet Over Vegicle
Example *See Article* Nov 2020
missing SOILDER Cpl Hayden Harris
See Article
How Fast Went DOWN Over VEHICLE
Found Dead New York 2ps Age
Russ… shut up.
I’m definitely going to cover this on my youtube channel hope he comes home or gets justice
I also think it’s odd that his gun went missing & then he’s shot with the same type of gun just weeks later?
I think it was his wife!
You don’t sell the guys company a couple months after he dies like that.
Plus she has motive because she was addicted to gambling.
I pray justice will be done some day!
Are you a troll? Sure seems like it! Hogging up the threads with some nonsense.
Example
Wanted Running or NOT. 1977 Pontiac (Example) Reward Offered. Send Photo and VIN#
Check Your Barn Under Tarp ect
Should Stop ANY Unpaid REWARDS Offered
Comment
Ideas INNOVATION?
National Car Recovery REWARD Club. Flyers Sent Out.
Suprised FBI or LE as MANY Divers Not REQUIRED to Conduct ONE EXERCISE AT LEAST fot Training.
Marines Army Navy Air Force Coast Guard. Training Exercise REAL TIME “If Happen” Recover Suspious ITEMS Should NOT be Violation Posse Com a tatous(No Spell Check) Approched as Training with Coordnated Data Base.
Fun and Interesting.
Would Put to REST “We ALL live in a Yellow Submerinr”(Song) Cute tho……Pun Intended Beattles.
NOTE
Yes Few Drails “Off” from PUBLISHED Info. RePubed here.
I Am only “Glancing” Information. As if MYSTERY Novel
I am NOT Investigating. MANY Aves Open or UNCHECKED
Suspious Missing SHOULD Have WARRANTED “Full Investigation!
No CONNECTION to St Louis Car Dealership.
As with Ponds and LAKES. FLYERS of 77 Gtand PRE to AUTO Dealerships?
Different “Twist” to Msgnet Fishing Per say.
Even Song Private Malone. What Xoulf Happrn to Car.
Praying that the truth comes to light!
My grandma lived in Coralville & we lived in Hills in 1992 that was the year before my parent divorce.
Hills is such a small town.
Scary to think it might have been someone we had known in that town or someone we had known in the town my grandma lives in.
Why can’t they just do a DNA test?!
This poor babies life mattered!!
DNA Tests with trace on familial DNA costs around 5,000.00-6,000.00 dollars. Contact the local law enforcement agency that dealt with this case and ask them if you or they can start a GoFundMe page to raise the money for the testing fees. As I wish ever one of these cases was solved, not many of them will be unless you and I and everyone else participates in donating money to help this child get justice. Are you up for it?
Praying the truth comes out!
Praying that the truth comes out!
All three men just happened to be able to provide alibis for eachother the night she goes missing & Melvin admitted that he had hired these guys to follow her?!
It was obviously him!!
Ok
JustLlisten to Song Pvt Malone by David Ball You Tube
Saw 1977 Pontiac Grand Prix Sold by Dealer Same Cplpr body and Seats
Two Different Vins Indicated One Dealer TYPED 2nd Photo BUT have to Scroll.
Only 10K Miles. Had to Sit SOMEWHERE that few Miles?
Dealer in Buisness 50 YEARS Could be Simple MISTAKE
Daniel Schmitt Dealership St Louis Mo
Simple Phonr Call Should Clear Up IF Intrest
Mark
Said Im OFF this. I get started and,,,,,,,,,,,,Puzzle?
To Avery . Already was KNOWN to MOST . and Albia also LE and Mark Milligan “Off Duty”
Ks and Ms CONNECTION?
Consider 1984 Mo Drink Age 18 Kansas City other side Line Downtown 21 (or other way around. Read Harry Drank at LEAST BEER.
Consider 1981 1982 1983 Age 18 to 20 Made LOT “Beer Runs” Kansas City. Not Harry Particular. Tho MARK May Know.
Large Flea Market Lil Fun Shopping?.
3hrs Out 3 Back. Full Day “FUN”
1984 Drinking Age Kansas City Changed Both Sides State Line to 21
KSB(Kansas City Butcher) Operating 1984 Did NOT Have to Visit TOWN or send Recruiter per say(only read~Video thought had one)
Bar(s) Open Longer Kansas City want Party Contibue
More “Options “FENCE” or Strip Nicr CAR
Any FLYERS of Harry SENT to Kansas City? “IF” Harry KNOWN to VISIT Occassionally? Ages 18 to 20 This “COULD be something DUE to KSB Victims ALL KNOWN(op Word) 18 to 21, Tho Another Video Believe LOT MORE Victims.
MAY have NOTHING To DO With KSB(deceased)
A Flyer Might PERK Intrest that would NEED Factual Verificaton Simple PHONE Call.
If NO KSB Connection, Fence Car? Favorite Bar? ect ect
Your Ball.
Im Gone for NOW
PS
Rope or light Chain from Shore attached to Magnet. Videos HOW on YOU TUBE.
Even FROM Shore BUDDY SYSTEM any ISSUES. DRONES on SUNNY CLEAR Day with Camera. IF IF IF Car DRIVEN In probally CLOSE Shore UNLESS Lake or River has Current(maqy have DRIFTED by NOW)
Recall COLUMBO Detective Series?
Im Not HIm
However ONE MORE THING!
Anyone TRY “Magnet Fishing? The Dive Researchers Would be Cooll.
Your Generally NOT Gonna Pull Car OUT, HOWEVER Magnet VERY STRONG)
) May Warrent further Research STRONG(VERY) May Also Find Gun or Knife Metal Pipes Ect.
reproduced by hand, in contrast
Mark
Yes FACTS the Best. Someone Calls with a Tip. But Needs Verification on Factual Basis Unless YOU Prtsonally KNOW Tipster.
This is Considered COLD. Other words Not much ACTIVITY. Call still could Come
Spmetimes Discussions May Develop Lead Which Lead to Tips Investgated to Facts
SEEMS Money at Poker Table 1984 WARRENTED sucjh Investugation
Murphy in Knoxville wound Up Missing 20 July 1984 Body Found Nov 1984 by Hunters. REPORTED as Missing. The Murder Investigation dif not began till body Discovered
I’v Worked with FBI Secret Service DEA Local SD Task Force as IO (Independent Operator) and Military
Usually did not ask me to sit around wait fot Phone to Ring. Perp say “I did it” without Developing Lead or Hunch and Speculation ar Times Ferreted Out. Tho Drank lot Coffee.
These Comments Pointed Towards LE
Yes Easy way solve Mystery. Start back book Read Foward 2nd Read If POINTS nissed 1st READ.
Ill Respect Your 1st POST and LEAVE at rhat. Phone or Visit May Happen Still with FACTS and Closure
Im Outside “Looking In, Perked my Intrest from FACTS you Do Have
Like Im Reading Mystery Novel Front to Back tothe Conclusion.
Ill Respect Not Interested.
Something Not “sitting” quite Right. Chapter Missing.
.
The word fact us very important here and I disagree with you on if you know the person. From personal experience I believe if you read the letter above. which I can not say for sure but believe his information came Steve .This letter has caused me alot of anger know how many false statements he made.Jeff did corporated but mark didn’t know this at the time.Steve however was confused on the car parking and it was no big deal but it was wrong. We have learn alot this past few months I understand why a 3rd person was with them and his car was park there. They have been coroporating with law enforcement however they don’t have a friendly relatelationship with Mark I don’t know what happens to Harry he was my friend to I was who his mom called that morning to go looking I asked questions first. Mark never called me.or reply to my tex in 2016 I miss Harry I don’t recall ever being so upset when he didn’t come .but I don’t ever want to excuse of knowing something or or having my words turned around. I would love to have the facts and Harry home but it the facts not just what someone says or here.
In Cosieng
Any Witness or Suspect Connection to Kansas City?KSB has Lots Photos again deceased, Found No Photo of “Recruiter” per Say. Small TOWN may Reconize KSB Visiting Bar or Poker Room LE may be Worth Showing KSB Photo SINCE DECEASED since 1992 oe so
NOTES Only NOT INVESTIGSTION
KSB Called Cops on a MO-Ks Victim so NO Misunderstanding NOT Murphy, But PERKED Intrest Similarities “Hospital” Since KSB Deceased might be worth Check 1984 Hospital Logs.Also again Interesting Only Victims Murphy and “Harry Similiar age LOOKS. NO DOT Connection
Google dearcj Avert and Slbia Iowa Only approx 7 Mile Drive. Knoxville 35. Kansas City 3hrs Out. Tho KSB again had Trained “Recruiter
Find LOTS of “Circles” Per Say No LINES to Connect
Interesting Murder Victim Murphy Mussising From Knoxville Iowa Hospital GENERAL INFO ONLY 20 July 20 1984 Body Found Nov 1984 Rapid Decomp what gathered
Intrest Kansas City Butcher(KSB) actually Called Police and went to HOSPITAL as Victim BIT his Penis. No Charges FILED. Murphy was at or NEAR Knoxville Hospital before Missing. May be Ave to Connect “Dots” if ANY. KSB Operating IOWA 1984?
Saw Mulligan(Mark) Mention Paper Published Ticket to Harry 17 July 1984 HO Specifics. News Probally had LAG between Issue and Printing Such incigence.
Would be Sleiths LOTS Vids on KSB(Deceased)
KSB also had “Recruiter for VICTIMS. Doesnt Mention SO FAR his Recruitment Area(s)
MO Drinks and Drug Victims “Haul Away” Lots Digging by LE Co Op KS MS and Iowa.
Its There for LE to Check
Apparently Being “Gay” was NOT a Requirement of KSB Victims. But could have Increased % of Target.
Looking from the outside. I would investigate and question the husband and the Police again. This doesn’t seem right. I moved away from Iowa going on 34 years ago. To read about all of these unsolved cases really hurts that they are not solved. Please get some closure for all of these families. For my friend JoJo and his family too. RIP JoJo
Her husband was known to call Black women niggas. Che check him out seriously.
A terrible story and all these people kept their mouth’s shut. But, then I would expect the authorities to conduct a death investigation, until a competent medical examiner determined there was no foul play in his death.
Then we have his son committ suicide because these gutless individuals stood by and never came forward
I would sue them, for obstruction of justice, aiding and abetting, and throw on pain and suffering. Hit them in the pocket books. That include the campground.
I agree!
They are hampering justice & should be charged & tried for it!
How you can not come forward when you have info about the murder of an innocent man is beyond me!
I wonder what events lead up to the incident in the truck?!
Praying for justice!!
So why hasn’t the female driver been identified?
“Murphy” same Age te Knoxvillr Iowa Missing 29 July 1984 Body Found Nov 84 by Hunters 35 Miles approx from AVery Iowa
Murphy it says Hospital’ last KNOWN Interest did “KSB” Visit Hospital?
Once again SURE Iowa LE Working. Some Areas if Havent Corrlated SIMILARITIES
Note ONLY
REASON “Perked” my INTREST this CASE
KNOWN as OPERATIVE Word ALL KNOWN VICTIMS Kansas City Butcher bwlive 18-21 Age
“Howell” 1sr KNOWN Similiar Apperance “Harry” Same TIME Frame in “Striking Distance” General Sense
The Butcher Died Heart Attack
Did not MENTION any YOUNG TEEN Victims age range Newsboys
informative videos kansas city butcher You Tube
From General INVESTIGATIVE POINT “Only Suggestive” this POINT. Lot Leg Wprk per SAY
Nip in BUD? (Maybe) ANY UNIDENTIFIED DNA LEFT “KSB” House or Vehicle?
Was “Harry” Gay/?
NO Connecuion FOUND but May Check Out
FIRST……KNOWN Victim of Kansas City Butcher July 1984 about 3hrs away.
KSB in Kansas City 3hrs Out
1st Victom “Howell 19 White Male 6 others Known.
NO “Dot” to Newspaper Boys. But PERKED My Intrest
Victims DISAPPEARED “Litterally KNOWN START July 1984
THIS POINT SIMILIAR Time Frame Occurance
Side Note
Harrys Car Very NICE in Photos
Probally worth more Couple Hundred $ 1984
You Mentioned Drugs MAY(may have) NOT KNOWN
Being COP Someone “JazziN” for Dope CAR may look like Big Baggie. Steal? Pre Planned or KNEW where or Who to FENCE. Strip Down takes KNOWN Time. Farm Country Obvious Many Corn Stalks Park Behind Per Say
Friends Avoiding? Originally at LEAST Spoke with LE? I Imagine Hammered so MANY TIMES “Tell Us what you Know” Domt want Anymore Unless Interrogated. Most Likely SEEMS would WANT to HELP. I imagine Small Town approached MANY
TIMES. May USE Approach MAKE STATEMENT ask Paper to Indicate shouldnt be
Bothered Anymore Unless New Evidence Shows Up to Implicate
The Car? Looks to NICE to DUMP Unless Heated Spur Moment Even then more $ Signs than Few $ Piker game.
Curious may ask to SEE Military Jacket Nip that in Bud
Clpse? Harry INDICATE Dug deal Issues? Other than SO and SI dies This or that?
Not INTO more Questions than ANSWERS
thx
Your Cop you have training and background to follow thru Ill LEAVE it ar that.
Side Note
Harrys Car Very NICE in Photos
Probally worth more Couple Hundred $ 1984
You Mentioned Drugs MAY(may have) NOT KNOWN
Being COP Someone “JazziN” for Dope CAR may look like Big Baggie. Steal? Pre Planned or KNEW where or Who to FENCE. Strip Down takes KNOWN Time. Farm Country Obvious Many Corn Stalks Park Behind Per Say
Friends Avoiding? Originally at LEAST Spoke with LE? I Imagine Hammered so MANY TIMES “Tell Us what you Know” Domt want Anymore Unless Interrogated. Most Likely SEEMS would WANT to HELP. I imagine Small Town approached MANY
TIMES. May USE Approach MAKE STATEMENT ask Paper to Indicate shouldnt be
Bothered Anymore Unless New Evidence Shows Up to Implicate
The Car? Looks to NICE to DUMP Unless Heated Spur Moment Even then more $ Signs than Few $ Piker game.
Curious may ask to SEE Military Jacket Nip that in Bud
Clpse? Harry INDICATE Dug deal Issues? Other than SO and SI dies This or that?
Not INTO more Questions than ANSWERS
Your Cop you have training and background to follow thru Ill LEAVE it ar that.
Former Military Police Investigative Supervisor Atmy Former PI Agency Manager Offices Miami New Orleans and Wash DC
What “Grabbed” My Attention……..Very Close to Brother. No Calls or Hangups Even time Diapperance?. Unlless Wanted to Disappear. Hang Ups could be Indication Wanted to Reach Out……No Contact may Indicate didnt want FAMILY in Trouble WOULD Seem have rto be BIG Issue this Many YEARS.
2nd What was MOS and Rank.
Military SOMETMES Don’t Willingly REVEAL actual “Duties” own Reasons UNLESS
Nudged. Shipped to Timbuck Too Per Say.
1984 Dog Tags were Big Issue Still. So if harry Found?(without) Indication Pre Planned
Someone knew had monies to “play”
Foul Play Car Obvious Bigger harder average person ri HIDE Spur Moment Most KNOW Lakes FAST. Pre Planned READ Cases not ONLY Grave Pre Dug but Car Burried especially FARM Country
Same Farmers in area Many YEARS ago but may REPORTED Farm Tractor Founf MOVED or Stolen
I Could Go On, Originally intended Simple Comment.
My You Tube is NOT MONOTISED nor LOOKING to.
You SEE Harry WEARING Regular? If HARRY Found should be ONSIGHT. Local Metal Detecting Ckub? Or Even National Up to Challenge?
If Found with Dog Tags. Indicate Possiable “Heat of Moment” Incident, Other words. Grab Money and Run.
Use to Operate FBI NCIC on CASES Stolen Property. Shoulf have been Entered.
Would ALSO say MANY People as Previous Comments indicate have RAN into Lakes Drinking or NOT. If Not Driven ino Such.
Again Dog Tags Missing Usually Worn. Possiable FOUL Play.
Money Flowing at Table Suspected Wow. Seems LOCAL LE wpold have mote INTENSE Investgation ar Time REPORTED
Some Cases “Perk” my Intrest from READING. Use to have PI License 7 States Civil and Criminal. No Longer.
Is there a possibility that this is Harry Milligan from Albia, Iowa missing since 1984.
The height and the age doesn’t match too closely. I wonder why they haven’t officially ruled him out though.
Your information is not entirely correct. Lose enough that it doesn’t matter.. If only someone had any information, maybe they don’t feel its relevant but anything helps.
Our family is still in pain although we have tried to move on with our lives as she would have wanted. There is still a $30000 car reward to info leading to conviction. We have tried to keep our name out of the news for the younger members of family but contact sheriff. Thank You to whoever posted this, it is much kinder than the last person with all the false info.
I’m his youngest half brother I miss my big brother dearly I would give my life to bring him back if I could just to heal the pain that other family members have from losing him tears fall from my face time to time when I see his picture remembering all the great times we had as kids growing up together until he left us in 98′ I was only 8 and a half years old this leaves me post dramatically stressed for the rest of my life I pray to see my big brother again some day in heaven to the rest of the family I love you all I’m lost for words! 😭
In regards to checking the VIN on his vehicle, a Carfax report might show something. The other option is for a law enforcement agency to contact the National Insurance Crime Bureau. They might have more detailed information in their databases, that might shed some light on the vehicles history.
There is alot more information and comments on there recent face book page for Harry Milligan. Just if anyone has not had questions answered as some of them are answered there.
I wish there was more information available about this one. Story county is where Iowa State University is located and this infant was found right around the time that would have been spring break. You don’t have to drive very far outside of Ames to be in a rural area. It reminds of Unidentified Baby John Doe 1992 that was found during the holiday break near where the University of Iowa is.
I also wonder if they happen to have a DNA sample and if not was the infant buried or cremated. More unidentified infants should be run through familial DNA databases.
Come on there so much technology today why are they not working on these cold case I know his daughter stacy personally I was hanging around stacy at about the same time he went missing … Now mind you I know at least two of the people involved the 3rd person I’ve heard he’s really bad news I’m a person that believes in a eye for an eye I so hope they all get caught and they get what’s coming to them MAY U REST IN PEACE TERRY
With the new technology they have using to solve murders …. Also the didn’t report if that precious baby was male or female and if it was found alive
the black and white pic of the older guy above looks like Charlie Kerr (google “Charlie Kerr Iowa” for mor pics)
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26824016/charlie-kerr-photo-1988/
All states have Safe Haven laws now, but none of them did in 1992. Iowa didn’t have its Safe Haven law until 2002 so it wasn’t an option for the mother in this situation, unfortunately.
She had other options like giving the baby up for adoption.
There is NO reason to Murder a baby but I’m sure you were not trying to make excuses for her.
So sad that a child had to loose his life because of a women’s selfishness!
I hope she hears his cry’s for the rest of her life!
Just recently the Cook County Sheriff’s Police identified the mother of two babies born at her residence in 2003. She had placed them in a bag to take to the hospital. Then she dumped them in a garbage can, where they were dead.
Most states have the Safe Haven laws, but how many of them don’t know about them. They are advertised when these situations occur, but if you don’t hear about them in certain media, then it is not an option.
Does anyone know if they ever ruled out her being the skeletal remains found in Des Moines in 1980? Seems like the timeframe and location is pretty close.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1209ufia.html
was she driving a car when this happened?
No. Her truck was in the driveway. Her shoes were in the house.
There was a safe Haven Law passed so that if a baby was taken to a hospital, church, etc. and left there the baby wouldn’t be considered abandoned. Why not give the child up for adoption? There is no reason for a baby to die if the parents don’t want the baby. Forget about all your theories about the mother, that is just plain stupid. Run the DNA and see where it leads this to.
I hope they do run the DNA test & find this killer!!
There was a safe Haven Law passed so that if a baby was taken to a hospital, church, etc. and left there the baby wouldn’t be considered abandoned. Why not give the child up for adoption? There is no reason for a baby to die if the parents don’t want the baby.
I agree 100%!
You can always surrender the baby to the state!
car/body have been found, front windshiel missing, body in back seat, car not discovered in 2013 by the dive teams but visible on google earth satellite view. has there been any further reports put out from the medical examiner about cause of death? i can’t find any search results on that.### was he trying to get out of the car and broke the window then fell into the back seat? was he not alone, passed out in the back seat and someone else was driving and broke the window out to escape after driving into the pond? was he unconscious in the car and it was driven into the pond by someone else? Has anything been discovered about “HOW” the car got into the pond in that location based on where the party was on the property?
I had read that the car being visible from google earth was false. It’d be crazy if it was true though!
The car was noted as a shadow on google earth. If you watched the video they said a viewer called in the tip so this part is true
It has been a year since the car and remains were discovered. Is there any news regarding cause of death?
His car and remains were just discovered 3 months ago. As far as I know they have not released a cause of death yet. I check every so often so and haven’t in the last few weeks so that very well could have changed.
I’m curious to know, but I’ve seen similar cases where we never hear anything probably because it was determined to be a suicide and the family decides to remain silent about it. I don’t think we’ll hear much unless there was foul play.
he came from a party so he may of been intoxicated enough to make him not aware of his surroundings. notice i said may of been i dont need these web sleuths thinking im starting anything by saying that.
I thought the same. Out there no lights…. after a party possibly drink and or drugs.
Sgt. Mark Milligan: After reading your entire post & seeing that you have uncovered a “Vehicle Ticket” of your brother’s Harry’s car 17 days after his disappearance, tells me that someone had his car, probably even his ID, maybe his wallet. If you had known about the ticket early on, I’m sure the Officer could’ve contributed more. As far as some of his buddy’s not speaking to you, speaks volumes. Those are the ones who need to be pulled in & questioned! As far as the rumors, made up stories, etc., welcome to the world of murdered loved ones with worthless weirdos trying to insert themselves into cases. Someone had your brothers vehicle, possibly even his body & was caught with the headlamps not turned on & got pulled over. Is there a data base where you can put in the VIN # to that car from the old Title or registration papers?
Looks later that he was pulled over around 9pm that night and may have gotten thr tickect then. It takes the 2 or 3 weeks for it to hit the newspaper is where they got the later date and not the ticket. Could still have been the same night as never found the ticket for time of day.
Good for you
Lee Andre died this past Friday. Unfortunately, he likely took the truth about Alice with him.
I won’t say that I knew Lee Andre, but I ran into him from time to time. I used to encounter him regularly at the grocery store, he would be using a scooter and have his dog with him, and would engage people in lengthy conversations about all manner of topics, from which it was very difficult to extricate oneself.
I assumed he was a harmless old guy, probably lonely, with plenty of life experiences to share. And perhaps he was harmless, but discovering the story of Alice Van Alstine was an eye-opener. I used to imagine the next time I would run into him, I would ask if he wanted to get together to talk about his life, and see if the conversation would land on this topic.
Harry, nice of you to join the investigation. Maybe you get a few other retired LAPD detectives to assist on this case
Maybe Chief Irving is available.
I also had occasion to talk with Lee numerous times over the years. Hours of conversation. You description of him is spot on. The dog you mentioned was named Princess Patti. It was very tough to ascertain where the truth ended and the fantasy began with Lee’s stories. He did, on a couple of occasions, tell me that Alice had been “an FBI informant” who had run off with her handler, and was still alive under an assumed name. Of course, I don’t believe that. My suspicion is that Lee took Alice that night, either over child custody, her having been interviewed by law enforcement, or both. As for what Lee did with her, I doubt we’ll ever know. What I found very interesting, is the fantasy Lee built around Alice’s disappearance. In my experience, only guilty people concoct such stories.
Otis, I tend to agree with you regarding those who concoct such stories. The “she ran off with another man” narrative is a timeworn pretense. We’ve got several of them on this website.
I also agree that he took his secret to the grave. Victims’ family members — the ones who usually know who killed their loved one — always hope and pray the offender will make a deathbed confession, and that’s rarely the case. I’ve yet to see that happen with any of our cases where everyone knew who was responsible. Thanks so much for the alert on Andre’s death.
I would be interested to hear more information about what happened to Eugene Behrend of Millville. He died of a single gunshot wound to the chest in 1994 and going through Clayton County Register Archives, it appears there were suits between immediate family members that talked about threatening each other and other harmful behavior. It had been rumored in the area that a close family member (or person hired by a family member) had shot him over some sort of disagreement, which by the looks of it may have been related to land or a family farm. A grand jury met in 1995 and did not indict anyone on the murder charge.
Crpd did not do their job… I witnessed this shooting and still have ptsd and have NEVER been interviewed despite my effort to talk to the police the day it happened.
Here is an undated article, probably from the Omaha World Herald, that I found being used as a bookmark while browsing through a 1902 printing of an 1898 copyrighted book entitled “The Traction Engine” by James. H. Maggard, revised and enlarged by an expert engineer:
BODY IN RAIL CAR HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED
Council Bluffs Bureau
Authorities have learned the identity of a man whose body was found in a railroad car in Carter Lake in June.
The dead man was Humberto Cortez, 31, a Mexican transient, according to Bob Henderson, the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation agent in charge.
Henderson said Tuesday that the identification was made by the California Justice Department, one of the many agencies that was sent fingerprints taken from the body.
“He had a rather extensive criminal record and had been returned to Mexico by our authorities more than once — the last time being last March,” Henderson said.
He said the man’s record included minor crimes such as trespassing and petty theft. There were no arrests on drug or alcohol charges, Henderson said.
The body was found June 21 in an open steel-carrying rail car in the Pasxton & Vierling Steel Co. yard.
WHAT HAPPEND TO ABDI SHARIFF
Harry Milligan’s search actually has a Facebook group now. A lot of people in the Albia/Monroe County area want to bring him home.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/harrymilligan
The Scene of the Crime podcasts on this case are very informative – thank you for this Mike!
I’m on board with the theory that he had an accident and since he had been drinking he got spooked and abandoned the vehicle in order to try to avoid a drunk driving charge. If he died of hyperthermia within a 4 to 5 mile radius of the vehicle you’d think he would have been found. Chances are he had warm clothes and experience with surviving in the cold, so maybe he was prepared for the walk home. Since he was already 2 miles outside of Scarville it was only around a 6 mile walk to Lake Mills.
I’m pretty sure bar closing times were 2 am in Iowa back in 1993, so maybe it’s possible someone else from the bar driving home saw him and picked him up and something happened after that. I’m leaning more towards the possibility that he was hit and killed by a vehicle while attempting to walk home and the person covered it up and never came forward.
I wonder if the police ever recovered any fingerprints from the crime scene. It would be interesting to check the case report and see if they found prints.
The offender most likely is deceased. But, if he committed other crimes, his prints might be in the system. Also, his place is sort off the beaten track in a way, but on a U.S Highwsy.
It would be a long shot. Also, there is mo mention of the caliber of the firearm that he was shot with. I assume the offenders weapon, was most likely a revolver, since there is no mention of a shell casing.
The homeless clan claims yet another victim
I’m interested in possible connections in the Eckels family, as my great Grandmother was a Eckels from Lenox.
I know a lot of people focus on Lyric’s mother and father because of their drug history, but some people were focused more on where the girls were found: Seven Bridges Wildlife Area. It’s a niche sort of area that only has locals going to it for hunting, fishing, and seasonal morel mushroom hunting. It’s not the kind of place that many people even know about. Morel Mushroom season ends around the end of May. The girls went missing on July 13. Hardly anyone would be walking around that area much until the start of the deer hunting season. When does deer hunting usually start? December 5th. What day were the girls found? December 5th. Either it was someone who was naive to the idea that hunters would be in the area and would probably find the girls or it was someone who knew and wanted the girls to be found during hunting season.
I came across a posting on Redditt, in regards to Joyce’s murder. It appears the grandson of the individual, who supposedly found her about 3,000 yards from their family home.
This individual was seeking more information on her case. If anyone is on that site can ask him or her that her case is posted on Iowa Cold Cases. I don’t think he or she can add more information. But they could mention what they heard from their family member.
Nothing like following up on my comments of sorts. But, I checked a road atlas see where Grimes, Iowa was. It caught my eye that it was near Camp Dodge.
I seem to remember either a case or comment on a case related to Camp Dodge. So, if anyone can remember please share it.
I still come back to the bonds, as a possible motive for her disappearance. Someone locally knew about the bonds and most likely kidnapped her to get access to the money. Then she was of no use, so kill her and dump the body in the reservoir, that was still under construction.
So, there is someone she might have confided in, that all of a sudden left the area. They might have moved to another part of the state , country and said that they came into some money.
Possibly through an inheritance.
A number of years ago, an Aldrich Ames, who worked the Russian Section of the CIA, gave them all the names of the sources in Russia.
Mr. Ames, was living beyond his means for years and the CIA somehow never noticed. Until a Russian defector provided his name. Then all of a sudden the CIA, did some checking and was surprised.
hey its Sara’s friend here and she is alive and well not dead
I think his brother is probably on to the reasons he went missing however is it possible nothing nefarious happened and he accidently drove into a lake and submerged? Looking at the route to his house I see a small pond on a curve near 165th St and 67 2nd Ave. Is the pond deep enough to hide a car?
Whatever happened to Pastor Kelly! My mother was raised in Villisca and her brother-i-law was a private detective from the railroad on the case. My mother is no longer living nor any of her family that I can inquire with.
I heard that dogs had tracked the murderer to the river and lost the scent!
I believe the lady that owned the home to Dan Heiber had something to do with this.
Are they going to be investigating his death or do they know pretty well what happened?
looking for information on a cold case involving the name Hollingsworth. Supposedly the neighbor was a suspect. Happened a long time ago, the people would be over 100 years old today.
This is a very strange case. I believe that “Munchausen Syndrome” was passed down rather than Helen killing her siblings. Or she was traumatized by her siblings natural deaths. But that many doesn’t seem natural to me. And it doesn’t seem like the grandmother raised any alarm bells for her grandchildren’s deaths. So tragic and evil. Just think. Helen’s daughters would be in their 40’s now. One would have been turning 51 in a few days. So strange all the girls died, But one son survived.
I remember when this happened as I worked in Albia at the time. I often wondered about water. I have recently been binge watching a YouTube channel called Adventures With Purpose. I am not tech savvy, but I wonder if someone here can bring this to their attention? They specialize in underwater vehicle recovery, and recently brought up the car and remains of Ethan K. in Hampton, Iowa, bringing some resolution to a tragic case that had remained unsolved for decades. If there is any reason to believe the car is in water, we need to talk with them. They refer to “open source investigations” where we can share ideas, but I am not sure what that means or where to find it. I am asking if anyone here can help hook AWP up with this case if you believe it is a possibility Harry may be in the water somewhere. Thank you. I am so sorry for the loss this family has had to deal with.
Carol, that is a great idea, since the car is missing also. Their are a large number of missing person cases where the vehicle they owned or were driving is missing. Also, a number of these cases have been resolved by finding the vehicle in a body of water.
About a year or two ago, a surveyor was looking at a Google Earth image of an area of Florida. On the image he saw what CV looked like a yellow in color vehicle in a man made Lake. Ne notified authorities and they recovered the car and closed a missing persons case.
I think a simple answer would be a drunk driving accident?,how messed up was he that night?,did he simply drive into a lake or pond and drown?,maybe that’s why nobody knows anything? new to this site and just throwing it out there,I mean c’mon someone should have talked by now?
Carol Mark has them involved they have searched a few places of interest. Will continue until we have answers.
19 Years later Douglas brother Joshua Meth has turned up dead. They have ruled a sueside . Nothing adds ups. None of the paper matches and this is my second who has died in this town. I have reason to believe that there is more. No one would let me see Josh’s body.
The Auction company should be a place to really scope out. I used to date the owner’s son who is in prison now, and would work for his Dad when we dated to help set up auctions and help them run and pack up. At that point in time, I was a drug addict and all the help he hired to help at auctions were troubled people that were paid under the table. I also live in Stuart and have of course heard the gossip and the names people suspected. Since gossip is always a mixed bag of credible and not credible, you listen but don’t believe everything you hear. But all the names mentioned around town were people that had worked for the auction house, and their acquaintances. I hope they find Kay, and the killer/killers and give the family a small measure of justice.
After reading the article and comments, the only thing that stood out was ” he didn’t take his dog with him, because his dog would probably have ended up shot too, because that dog wouldn’t let nothing happen to him.” Hathaway basically let the cat out of the bag with that comment. He’s the one doing all the talking, was a good friend of Kenny, and was going to a trade school to become a motorcycle mechanic. In 3 very short weeks after going to AZ, he gets a call that Kenny is missing. Hathaway is very quick to point the finger at different people and accuse of knowing what happened: Mikey Bush, his ex-wife and Hammerhead. For being a good friend of Kenny, I would think he’d have more to say about him versus everyone else he seems to know everything about. If it weren’t for Hathaway talking, there would be no article as shown above. Occum’s razor.
Were there any water searches done at the time? Searching around the various Missouri River boat ramps in Sioux City for her Honda Accord would probably be a good start. Google Maps shows one less than 12 minutes away from the home, but there are others. She might have left earlier than her husband thinks. Considering she left without her purse, she might have planned to end her life by driving into the river. She may have driven down a boat ramp while it was still dark out, turned off the car lights, and drove into the water without being noticed. This would be a good one for the Adventures with Purpose guys to check out. I know they did some work in the Missouri River before.
Andrew, it appears a search was done at the.boat ramp. However, there might be other ways a vehicle could have entered the river or another body of water. However, the fact that her SS Death Index, is the day before she disappeared is odd. It could be a typo by whoever’s entered it.
The mention of an unknown medical condition also plays a part in her disappearance. We don’t know if she had any mental health issues.
Also, we have the young man, who sees the ghost of a older woman in the kitchen, is weird. I guess the family has learned to love with her.
A friend of mine had a similar thing happen in her family. It turned out her grandma received a brain cancer diagnosis a couple of days prior to her disappearance. She was found in a lake near her childhood home and no notes were left. Maybe it’s possible that Helen had some sort of medical condition that worsened and she decided to not let it win.
A lot of times these underwater searches that were done previously weren’t successful because the technology wasn’t as good. Very similar to how old DNA testing techniques weren’t as good. It would be good to check again.
If her husband last saw her the day before she disappeared may be why they use that date. He was only assuming she left around 7 or 8 a.m. But if he last laid eyes on her when they went to bed. Would have been the day before she was discovered missing.
Andrew, Adventures with Purpose is planning to be in Sioux City mid January to look into this and two other cold cases!
I think Jason Carter killed his mother he needs to be in prison for the rest of his life
So does Adventures with a Purpose get the reward since they found car and remains. They deserve it
They should but somehow the reward disappeared
Someone is a welcher
Horrible! They deserved it.
Our official response at this time…
We would be honored to accept the $100,000 Reward so we can further our efforts in helping other families like Ethan’s.
However, the $100,000 Reward which has been renewed annually every September at the anniversary of Ethan missing, and extended yearly beyond its original 2015 effective date, is suddenly no longer available from the anonymous donors claiming the reward expired in 2015 even though it has been confirmed by multiple News Stations as late as September 2020 that the reward was still in effect.
In full transparency, Ethan’s family was kind in making a smaller donation of their own. We appreciate their gratitude for our efforts in bringing Ethan home.
Donations and rewards are how we are able to fund our operations in helping families such as Ethan’s.
We do hope that those donors involved will honor their commitment so that we can use the $100,000 reward to purchase additional gear and continue our efforts in helping other families in locating their lost loved ones.
Thank you to each and every one of you for your support.
-Jared
HAMPTON, Iowa —
The Hampton Police Department wants to remind Iowans that it has been nearly seven years since Ethan Kazmerzak went missing, and a reward for his safe return still stands.
Kazmerzak would now be 29 years old. He went missing sometime in the early morning hours on Sept. 15, 2013.
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Police said at the time Ethan went missing, he had dark blond hair, had a beard, wears glasses, and has a Grateful Dead tattoo on his upper left arm. He was last seen wearing peach/orange colored shorts and a white/teal printed shirt. He was driving a silver 2006 Volkswagen Jetta TDI with Iowa license plate AUZ382. The car and Ethan still are missing.
There is still a $100,000 reward offered for any relevant and useful information that leads to the current location and/or safe return of Ethan Kazmerzak. Police said the reward has been pooled together by a group of anonymous donors.
Anyone with information is asked to call North Iowa Crime Stoppers at 1-800-383-0088or the Hampton Police Department at 1-641-456-2529.
That must of been The chief Bob Schaffer HPD. His untruthfullness should be questioned . Look into things that disappear under his management for other court cases if someone digs you’ll find things m
Interestingly detectives are hoping advances in DNA technology will solve her case. They think there’s a small amount of degraded DNA from her killer under her fingernails. However, they’re concerned this will be the last opportunity as they fear it’ll be used up if they do it now.
The Scene of the Crime podcast, S2 EP 3 ‘The Investigation Continues’ is out now diving further into the murders of Roger & Rose! This episode covers the extensive investigation that extended into multiple states as detectives tracked down everyone at the hotel that night. We look at a mysterious phone call that came in for the room registered to “Burkert.” Investigators begin to retrace Roger and Rose’s steps in the days leading up to the murders.
https://www.spreaker.com/…/scene-of-the-crime-season-2…
What is the person name the vehicle was owned by that vanished? Im sure they may have resurfaced?
https://www.kimt.com/content/news/Car-of-missing-North-Iowa-man-may-have-been-found-572885631.html
Some articles are saying they believe it to be his car and some flat out say that it is his car that was found. No word yet if there are remains inside of it, but I imagine the chances are pretty high.
I hate to say it .. but I hope! 🤞 So that his family & friends can find closure after all of these years!
This dive team is the one that located. They verified the plate number, and human remains inside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKmbzQDdRfE
I found out about that YouTube channel a few weeks ago. They are doing a great job and completely exposing law enforcement’s lack of initiative in a lot of cases. Glad to see they came to Iowa and helped out with this case. There are a number of cases in Iowa that I feel could be solved in this way. Helen Kelly’s is one of them.
People are sharing Google Maps images where you can actually see the vehicle from the satellite photos in the pond. I’m sure if it’s legit, but it’s the right area.
Video says location of find is at:
42.808763, -93.232556
I have looked at Google Maps and do not see anything – I wonder what others are seeing.
I looked on google earth and came up with this
42°48’24.6″N 93°13’36.3″W
Rest in peace Ethan
Your spot on, car can be seen clearly, RIP Ethan
I searched on my iPhone maps app. I located the ponds near that location and sure enough I could see what appeared to be a large object in the water. I marked the location and indeed was the spot. Wow…..happy the family found him. Praying they find answers to what happened.
According to the press conference by the police, the car was found on a property at the corner of 190th Street and Nettle Avenue. If you go to that location on Google maps, it’s the property on the Northeast corner of that intersection. On that northeast corner of that property is the lake. Toward the South east corner of that lake you can see a mound. That’s about the area where they set up to pull out the car. You can compare it to the areal photos of the recovery and the drone video from Adventures with Purpose.
isn’t that the wrong pond??
Yes, it’s the wrong pond. People can see whatever they want to see, I suppose.
If you type in these you will see it
42.805191, -93.216831
A body was inside the car. KWWL
Confirmed there are human remains in the car
It would be interesting if this is the same pond, he was last seen. He would have been right under everyone’s nose. However, there have been a number of missing people who have been found in their vehicles in various bodies of water around the country.
The problem is the cost of using side scanning sonar, or dive teams to search all the bodies of water. If we were able to repurpose the various tools we used to search for submarines would be useful.
I served on a submarine, and know what we had as search tools.
Yes, it was Stevie’s foot, absolutely.
Here are some random questions I have on this case.
1. Were there any bonuses or commissions Marketing Coordinators at Mediacom could receive at the time? I’ve seen situations where someone was killed because another person in the company felt like they stole their commission.
2. How many friends did he have in Iowa? Were they mostly work friends?
3. Was he seeing anyone romantically or any evidence that he was? If so, maybe someone else was unhappy about that.
4. What was his personality like? Was he the type of guy who picked on people in high school? The pictures make him look like a stereotypical “bro” at the time. I’m wondering if he could have just maybe bothered the wrong person.
5. Did he have an active social life? Was he going out to bars and clubs in Des Moines?
6. What club did he work at in Las Vegas? What was his reason for leaving that job and moving to Minneapolis? What did he do in Minneapolis? How did he get the Mediacom position in Iowa? Did he move because of the job or did he move first and then find work? I’m just wondering if he burned some bridges along the way.
I wonder if the original people that reserved the room might have been the intended targets?
I am a retired police officer and SVU detective, investigating a cold case homicide in Nashville, Tennessee, from 1969. I am following all leads in my case and have a person-of-interest in-common with my case and Janice’s case. I am not able to release the suspect’s name, but he was in Des Moines at the time of Janice’s disappearance.
I am seeking information on Janice, and would like to talk to anyone willing to talk to me.
My website is http://www.stevendavidlampley.com and my email is steven@stevendavidlampley.com
Thank you in advance.
Steven
I honestly read Trifles before i read the article. It was more gruesome than i had anticipated in regards to how Hossack and his analog were murdered. Both are awful ways to die but the way trifles was written had an air of suspense to it.
I have also read the story trifles and it claims that a rope was used not an axe.
S2 EP2 of Scene of the Crime is out now. In ‘Crime Scene Investigation’ we take a look at the hotel room crime scene, and the evidence that was found in Room 260. We address some theories of how the killer, or killers, accessed the room, and retrace the steps of the investigators as they notify Roger and Rose’s next of kin.
https://www.spreaker.com/…/scene-of-the-crime-season-2…
Married to Rose, not made to Rose.
Lisa, thanks for the information on his family. I would assume that maybe his being crazy, might have been related to his military service. If it is correct that he served in the Marines during WW Ii, he definitely was exposed to combat.
Many men who served in combat suffered what used to be called combat fatigue. Also, they refer to many Marines, who served on some of the islands of having the thousand yard stare.
My late father spent 18 months in combat, was wounded once, knocked unconscious at least three times fighting in Italy and Southern France.
He got a disability for his mental injuries. He later volunteered at the VA, along with my mother. I volunteered at the same VA which led to a job.
It was the same VA he spent time for cancer in the late 1950’s.
The John Johnson that you have pictured was crazy for many years he had many children he was made to my aunt rose Thomas. His children’s names were Johnny Johnson Chrissy Johnson Roseanne Johnson David Johnson and Jerome Johnson. He and rose also had a little girl named Christina before all of those kids. Rosen John joined the pentacostal church and they did not believe in doctors so they let four-year-old Christina die. I think all of the remaining children turned out to use drugs such as LSD and heroin.They constantly commit crimes got arrested moved and changed sexual partners weekly. John and rose raised their children in such a filthy trash filled house that it should have been condemned. Rose had one sister that would still be young enough to answer your questions. Her name is TrudyThomas she married David Goodman who killed himself and I don’t know who she married after that Rose has one more sister still alive named Bonnie Viola Garland who lives in Altoona Iowa. I cannot leave any information if you want me to be respectful because Johnnie Johnson was not a respectful person however he did have The Bible memorised backwards and forwards. John and Rose never worked. They were the opitame of lazy, crazy.
My family may not be perfect in anyways but they were not on lsd and herion and changing partners every week Shame on your bashing on my family and my missing grandfather. Don’t state what u think for the truth! God have mercy on your souls! The cruelty and hurtful mess they you are leaving in our families memories destroying them as people parents Christian if u have nothing nice to say just be Quiet! They didn’t kill their child! How is this positive to the case?
First off know your facts before you bash people, secondly who the hell are you cause you definitely are not close family to Rose or John Because I have no clue who you are. They both worked at one point , and they did use doctors at one point but you would know this is you truly was family ( I mean someone that was around or that matter in our families life) John had issues from the war. His children did not do herion or lsd, they didnt change partners every week. The fact That you tell this horrible set of lies tells me you are a bitter old lady that has nothing better to do then bash dead people. you need to stop telling lies for the truth.
Maybe you should speak on what you know cause you clearly didn’t know my grandma or my grandpa. And for you to speak on a missing/dead person is disgusting.
I remember this night and have followed the case through the years. He wasn’t much younger than me. My ex called me that night he was a truck driver, he wanted to know what was going on why the interstate was blocked off and they weren’t moving; obviously at the time I couldn’t give him info because they hadn’t even put anything out on the news . I don’t want to speculate about anything I’ve just always thought the girlfriend had to have known more. I feel for his parents to this day and I hope they get closure. It can’t bring him back, but some one paying for what they did would be some closure. I pray for you and that some one will come forward with more information. People are still out here thinking about that night and about your family. Don’t ever give up.
Kimberly’s father, Jacque T Ratliff died on Jan 2, 2020. I’m surprised this info was missed here.
https://www.echovita.com/us/obituaries/sd/rapid-city/jacque-thomas-ratliff-10223206
Perhaps that’s why they arrested his son Matthew today for her murder. These two seemed to be the ones going after Les most vehemently.
they did not arrest me they arrested less’s son matt dont talk what you dont know
Matthew, I was unaware that your father passed earlier this year, and am so very sorry for your loss. Your dad was so passionate about seeing Kim’s case solved, and it breaks my heart that he’s not here to see what is happening. Please give my best to Paula and your brother Jeff, and I wish all of you strength as more of this story unfolds. Take care, and God bless. Jody at ICC
They extradited Matt back To Council Bluffs And booked him onto jail on a $1.000,000 bond i am glad that they had the leads to get him
Jim you fuckin idiot try a reading comprehension course
You are absolutely correct, Cabe. I got the names confused and for that I am offering my humblest apologies to Matt. I often get stories confused when many pronouns are used. Compound that with the fact there are two “Matt’s ” involved and you can imagine how my error rate can increase.
As to Matt’s other message involving “Jim Ratliff’s” arrest, I posted that to see if there was any relation (which there was not) and because a “Jim Ratcliffe” posted comments angering Matt. Jacque in French is our English pronunciation of Jim and I couldn’t understand why Matt’s father would have been arrested??? I promise to be more vigilant with my future commenting.
Finally THANK YOU to Jody for this site and which I believe were/are instrumental in forcing this case to its hopeful conclusion. Well done.
Jim, thank you for your thoughtful comment, and I also must apologize for some of the confusion here. This case summary has grown over the years (though is still a very condensed version), and now, with the arrests of Matt Kennedy and then Les Kennedy (and those who may have been unaware of the “two Matts”), I can certainly understand how the pronouns could get confusing.
I’ve gone back through and tried to clarify any misconceptions by adding more first names. Still, even with an arrest in this case (it was one of the top two cases on this website that I felt could have been solved/prosecuted years ago) I don’t yet feel any sense of relief or closure. There are just so many victims tied to this one case, including both Matts. (Yes, the accused can also be a victim.) So many lives ruined. Forever altered. Lives that continued to be scarred after Kim’s murder.
“Jake” asked in April 2019 why we couldn’t just post the “who, what, when, where and why?” on here, but we cannot do that even when we know the answers. It compromises cases, and there’s always the possibility that the info we received simply isn’t true. Jake was correct, however, when he said maybe we (ICC) had the resources to get in touch with someone who could help solve this case. I may have passed along info to investigators, but will never take credit for solving this (or any other) case b/c LE officials almost always know who is responsible and they’re the ones knocking on doors and questioning suspects and submitting the DNA and spending years and/or decades piecing together every puzzle piece. And, what they always say remains timelessly true: “Knowing who did it and being able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law are two very different things.”
They only get that one shot at charging a suspect, so, despite “everybody knowing who did it,” they are wise to wait until they have solid proof. Until that happens, I just try to ensure the victim’s story is told and kept alive so they’re not forgotten, and to remind the public it’s never too late to share any kind of knowledge about the case with the investigating agency. There’s often more — as the late radio pioneer Paul Harvey used to say — to “the rest of the story.”
Thanks again for your kind words. Jody @ ICC
is this the same Jim from before that keeps trying to slander me from down below in the comments if so you need to get questioned for spreading lies
Im sorry for getting angry with you but i took it hard my sister and my kids mean everything to me this has bean realy hard right now im trying to get my kids back i lost my wife to cancer in September of 2020 things have bean rough
im in this fight alone anymore but all i can do is keep my promise and just keep fighting for my kids and the truth
Matthew, you had every right to be angry then and be angry now. The people you have loved most were unlawfully taken away from you, and I’m sure you know how much time I spent talking to your dad on the phone about Kim’s case in particular. He sent me scanned colored photos of your children (your daughter has such a beautiful smile!), and he died still fighting to get your kids back to you. Both you and I know there’s so much that’s not been addressed on this (Kim’s) page, but we know how and why and where Les did what he did, and we know the names of those who enabled him.
Your father sent me so many newspaper articles about Kim’s murder (the ones from the early days and years, which I’ve not yet posted here on her page), and I’ve lost track how many times Les Kennedy contradicted himself as he coveted more and more media attention all whilst spilling out and spinning more and more lies. Every time I read the words of what he told Aaron Brilbeck, about this alleged “intervention” with Kim, I want to vomit. We know what he did in the No Frills parking lot time and again (before Kim’s death), and know what went on inside that Tostevin St. House of Hell.
I’m so very sorry for your recent losses as well…your father in January (Jacques “Jack” Ratliff for those reading this comment), and then your wife in September. And, inexcusably, your children taken against your will (through lies) by a rapist/madman who fed drugs to his children & stepchildren the same way he fed lies/twisted information to lawyers and judges. I still can’t grasp how he got away with it for sooooo long.
Keep fighting the good fight. It is yours to win. (And I think you know I applauded Jim for having the courage to step up and apologize to you because he’d been confused about the names.) Good men (people in general) apologize when they’re wrong.
As for “actions,” I doubt any of us will ever see the day when L.K. (or your bio mother, for that matter) apologizes for the monstrous atrocities committed upon untold children inside that Council Bluffs home.
I would stake my life on it that her sto dad and other step brother had something to do with it I believe her mom knows something and isn’t saying anything kimwas my friend when we was kids and I remember how scared she was of her step dad and step brothers ..they need to dig deeper and they will find out the truth rest in pest my dear friend Matt and Jeff hope u guys get justice for kimmy
Karen,
You are my beautiful, funny, loving big cousin. You have never been forgotten by your very large family back here in MA. We miss you today and have for every day since that horrible moment when we learned that you had disappeared. Your parents were never the same – and your three loving little sisters missed the big sister they adored.
PLEASE, someone, find a way to solve this crime. This has been our prayer for almost 50 years.
Diane, I too have often thought of Karen and her tragic untimely death. I lived directly behind her in Foxboro and my older brother was quite close to Karen. I can’t help but wonder why with all the DNA advances that they have not tested the samples they have. We are now 53 years down the road and her parents were never given an answer in their lifetime. The family deserves all the resources available to solve this case as does Karen. Karen will never be forgotten by our family! She was a beautiful and trusting soul.
Matt Kennedy, step-brother of Kimberly has been arrested and charged with her murder
https://omaha.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/stepbrother-of-slain-woman-arrested-in-1999-council-bluffs-homicide/article_344ecc70-b5ba-590f-9c6c-6eb9460c74e5.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/cold-case-arrest-stepbrother-accused-in-horrific-1999-murder-of-22-year-old-kimberly-ratliff/ar-BB1a6fUQ?ocid=uxbndlbing
Hopefully the family will be able to finally get closure and this evil monster will get what’s coming to him!
I wonder what took him to Fairfield, Montana. That’s one of those really small cities in the middle of nowhere in Montana where you’re really away from it all. Less than an hour drive from where Ted Kaczynski the Unabomber was living. A good place to go if you were running from something.
Actually Fairfield Mt, is in a somewhat populated area of Montana. Which would happen to be my hometown.PoP 700. An on top of it. Matt kennedy had a job in a different dept. than me, where I worked in Great Falls. An because of it, other co-workers and I conversed with him. An also had one co-worker tell me about what Matt had told him in previous conversations. One of which, where matt told the co-worker, that his father (les) had shot him. Cause he hadn’t done a chore fast enough. An also, showed the scar from the wound that was inflicted. However, matt was rather odd, and behaved weirdly at times. Obviously, he wasn’t right. an also was dyslexic. or very educated. An not too mention. He resembled the aqua teen hunger force character, Happy Time Harry. So we refered to him as happy time. Also, after I left that job, I ran across-d him in public in Fairfield. An I’d say something to him. An he’d just give me this wide open eyed, and open mouth look and not say anything. Will be interesting to see how his trial goes
@tobin caldwell, Hey man, I’ve been looking for you all over! You told me you’d call me after leaving the gay stripe club once we did “stuff”. We had a really good time and were planning on having a round 2, but I lost your number at some point. Please call me! I don’t care if you have a wife or a girlfriend, I think I might be in love with you man. XOXO Love, Gary
Think you got me confused with les kennedy. But good luck with that, and the gay stripe club.
Awww, it’s so flattering that you think I own a stripe club and remember the time we had together. But nope, it’s you I’m talking about. I could never forget your name, especially since it’s tattooed over my heart.
Mike, Thank you so much for commenting, I think the police finally have a lead on my stolen car. Based on the name on your drivers license you dropped in my driveway before boosting my car and running out of town, the police are pretty sure it’s you on here. It’s only a matter of time Mike you D.
Mike we were told that his wife had bad allergies and Montana would be a better place for her. My husband was told another story.
Excellent news! Always great to see justice done.
As the article alludes to, it must have been advances in DNA that inextricably linked Kennedy to the murder scene.
It will be interesting to follow the trial & conviction (presumably) from here on out.
There is a brand new in depth podcast about this case out right now. You’ll hear from friends and family of the victims, investigators, and hotel staff at the scene
https://www.spreaker.com/user/11688200/scene-of-the-crime-season-2-episode-1-th
Looking for information about Carol Donnelly, killed in Des Moines late 1979, body discovered early 1980. This case once appeared on your site. Has it been solved?
Delbert sounds like a real quality guy.
May he rot in hell.
Do you know who your half twin sisters are from your father’s fiancee Gloria?? Just curious if you would want to know that information?? I am so very sorry that this case has never been solved. It sounds like you have experienced a lot of heartbreak in your life. Prayers for you as you continue this journey.
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/21039742/sioux-city-journal/
I’m curious as to how much planning went into this Florida trip. Was it planned well in advance or was it on the spur of the moment? What as the reason to go? Just to see her family or was there more to it? What arrangments were made for her children in Iowa? Do we know what day she originally left Iowa and what day she first see family in Florida? When she was last seen on September 6, 1983 was she leaving for Iowa soon?
Maybe the person she was traveling with was the one who had specific things to do in Flordia and Viola found out and asked if she could come because she had family in the area she would like to see.
Running the family DNA to familial matches to known offenders in CODIS may produce a male offender match (any of her former relations who may have been the kids father). This match if any may produce a suspect or potential names of friends and associates of the mother and her traveling companion.
I know the obvious first thought is that the wife must have been having an affair. The theory that she was busted by Tom while she was naked and in the act with the other man.
My thought is that she was naked when she went to the other farmhouse because she did run right away. If Tom was killed while she was there she probably would have taken the time to get dressed. She would have been able to tell the same story about the naked intruder without her being naked as well and would have looked a lot less suspicious.
I can believe that she wasn’t there when he was shot, but I don’t beleive her story about what lead up to it. I’m sure she knows exactly who did it. Chances are that Tom knew him too.
Well the girlfriend obviously knows something. She is either directly involved or covering for someone. How many friends were there that night? Female? Male? Were they questioned? Something is missing from the above information because it is too black and white.
It looks like Robin Clark Latham is currently incarcerated in Iowa because of a probation violation in March of 2020.
It’s a shame that things were handled so improperly during the investigation and by the mortician. Maybe I missed it, but what was the official cause of death? The blunt force trauma to the head or did she drown in the water?
I am very sorry First and foremost to The Children and loved ones of Denease Latham. I am also sorry for my use of wording but to be honest :Why isn’t this Mother of 3 had justice yet? it is so very obvious that not only was she murdered but her death is a cover up. Why wasn’t the mortician ever questioned and convicted with the husband? The evidence is so overwhelming. Just plainly sad…
I joined the Justice for Josh group on FB but there isn’t anyone sharing any theories about what happened. I would like to know what the family thinks happened. Looking around some of the posts and comments I saw that people think he was killed and buried just like Christopher Bagley because of links Joshua has to some of the people involved in that case. The family wants someone to talk, but they won’t talk either, at least not publically.
It seems like the Justice For Josh Facebook page is more therapy for the family than anything. I’m not sure the family wants to discuss theories in public. Just a little basic web-sleuthing and background checks about Josh lets you see that he had some problems dating all the way back to high school age and he did serve time in person a couple times. I’m not saying Josh was a bad person, but he was involved in bad things. One thing I noticed years ago is that Bagley and Josh had some of the same friends out of Palo. A lot of these same friends have meth convictions in the past.
We all would like to know but idk that there is much we know
I have watched CSI, NCIS, Criminal Minds, etc & started wondering. What if his car was still operational & there was a 2 or more team that attacked him, could they take him & his car outa state somewhere, sell his car on the black market or chop shop & then take him somewhere after that. That would be why his car’s not found yet in the waters where he was. If so, have the detectives tried combing the filling stations & restaurants the next towns over from where he was last seen. Maybe he broke down & a trucker picked him up & someone else stole his car & drove off. Maybe he’s in witness protection somewhere, wonder if the detectives checked there. I hope he’s found soon & GOD be with his family & friends.
Not likely. Not using hindsight but I’m pretty sure witness protection would notify law enforcement
he dose not have a medical issues.
Did he drive everyday to work? If so what type of vehicle did he drive
Gwen
I was friends with Greg since grade school and always liked him. I pray for him and his family that he is found so his family will get some relief. Jehovah, please help his family, I know he will be resurrected (John 5: 28, 29). God will bring him back and he will have another chance to live a good life. Then Jehovah will judge all of us.
I bet Mike ozwald did it. His brother Brian ozwald ran out front door pointing at Mike saying he did he is the one that shot Randy. Rip dad I bet it’s because waterloo police should not allow confidential informants get away with anything literally let Mike go Christmas day without even a gun powder residue test. Some friend you were to my dad. Wait till it comes the day you answer to heavily father. Should the police be held partially responsible I don’t think Mike would have done it not knowing someone downtown to help him. Jeff tyler waterloo police investigator wouldn’t take my version of that day. How does one get away with that with capital murder. I bet he would shit if someone from a higher rank took his job as pointless and a waste or taxpayers money. All bums
Dr.OZ: I watched a man (Detective) share details about a 30+ year old Cold Case (double homicide, male & female) in a room, which had previously been “reserved” for a Mortician & canceled at the last moment.
I listened for him to describe the investigation of that Mortician and never heard anything about that. My intuition is the murder was intended for him & clandestine associate.
If interested contact me & I had more imagined details
Please leave a message if I’m unable to answer the phone
901-832-1496 Norma-Jean (Jeanie) Sorrell
A possible theory could be that the mother was a University of Iowa student that was hiding her pregnancy and had an easier time doing it because she was from another state. That would probably mean her family didn’t see her since August. She could have given birth, abandoned the baby, and went home for the holidays. I hope they have some DNA. With this theory, the mother would be between the ages of 45 and 50 now. He would be turning 28 this year.
That’s a very good point!
I agree that it was definitely the ax that killed him. What a horrible way to die considering the circumstances. In your opinion, did he really deserved to die? Could this situation be handed differently? Just a few thoughts that crossed my mind as I was reading the story.
I hope with new DNA advancement one day the evil mother will be brought to justice.
I agree!
I was reading the Cold Case Files on your
brother Harry and I read your letter, I hope
and pray you will find him. The people that
know what happened have kept silent this
long so they will never tell it’s up to someone
else or to the police to find him.
I will keep Harry and you in my prayers.
God bless you both.
Was it ever mentioned how the local man whose truck was seen at the house came upon a good amount of money shortly after? Was he ever ruled out, or as a suspect?
HAPPY HEAVENLY BIRTHDAY BOO I LOVE YOU SO MUCH GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN
I wanted to say one more thing it’s your birthday you got a granddaughter about the one your son is about to be home and Darius was promoted but 2020 has been okay but a horrible year in the making just continue to keep us safe… no matter the things I’ve done for the places I go or have been you’ve always been number one no matter what people have to say thank you for two of my biggest blessing love always
Hey it’s me again I wanted to wish you a happy birthday until you seasoning sir David will be home soon his daughter your granddaughter is about to be one and your son Darius was promoted to a sergeant thank you for blessing them and watching over them we miss you will always miss you until we meet again
It is encouraging to see the comments and how many people are interested in seeing this mystery resolved. Has any DNA testing been done? Is evidence still being stored that could be tested and evaluated? I know there are more current cases and obviously, detectives are spending their valuable time on those. But Ed Schmidt’s case is still waiting….. waiting for justice. It is 2020 and time is running out.
Any chance an exhumation could be conducted to collect some DNA from this young child?
Based on what we know as of today (Sat Jan 27), law enforcement in Oct 1996 has the fore thought to collect DNA.
What’s sad is that I know the father.
I am confused about a thing: Jaymie was found in the bathtub, but, no one ever says whether there was water in the tub.
The unique pattern of burns on her front side may be because she was floating in water and only got burned where her skin was above the water line?
At any rate, It seems pretty obvious that Ms. Reed has some explaining to do regarding the months leading up to the fire and the bizarre collection of pathologies found during Jaymie’s autopsy. The girl would have been greatly suffering having ALL of those things wrong with her at the same time! How does that even happen? She had E-coli poisoning (which is typically transmitted through ingestion of feces from an infected animal or person which was then transferred to a food item). She had cirrhosis, pneumonia, and anoxic encephalopathy.
Regarding anoxic encephalopathy: “Anoxic encephalopathy, or hypoxic-ischemic brain injury, is a process that begins with the cessation of cerebral blood flow to brain tissue, which most commonly results from poisoning (for example carbon monoxide or drug overdose), vascular injury or insult, or cardiac arrest.”
Jaymie was being abused or, at the very LEAST, she was neglected. I am wondering if Vicki Reed suffers from Munchausen by Proxy – she was poisoning, or making Jamie sick in an attempt to gain attention for herself as the loving parent.
I think Jaymie became critically ill (or as Jody theorizes was scalded) and rather than seek medical attention, Vicki decided to setup the house fire in the hopes that Jaymie would be burned to death and Vicki’s crimes would be gone with her.
So a classmate of Jeffrey supposefly saw him alive at the apartment of Judy Davis. She lived at the Seneca Apartments. So, the question is, did he have a relationship with her or just hanging out with a co- worker.
Also, where was the Seneca Apartments in relation to the Jefferson Apartments. Also, what did she do at the hospital.
Hi Patrick, who was the classmate? Also do you know the who this Judy Davis is? I have tried to search for her without any luck. This was a horrible tragedy, the unsolved murder is always in the back of your mind wondering who and why?
This was under Polk County comments section:
“Regarding the death of Jeff Deaver, I last saw him at the Jefferson Apartments in the apartment of Judy Davis. Judy was my co-worker. My boyfriend (now ex-husband) at the time used to purchase illegal drugs from Judy. One day Judy told me that Jeff screwed her and/or some delivery and her boyfriend was very angry and Jeff better stay our of sight. The next day I heard that Jeff was murdered. I went to school with Jeff starting in Jr. High School. I was surprised he was hanging out with someone like Judy Davis..”
Judy Davis class of ’72 Roosevelt, lives in Henderson, NV
So, our you the one that stopped at my house? If you know this, why didn’t you tell the police at that time? I do have Judy’s boyfriends name at the time this happened.
Judy Davis lived at Jefferson apartments! The lady that saw Jeff at Judy Davis’s apartment also lived at Jefferson apartments and worked with Judy Davis. The only person who lived at Seneca apartments was Jeffery Deaver. Jefferey Deaver was seen at Judy Davis’s apartment by a high school classmate of Jeff’s two days before his death! So who was Judy Davis’s boyfriend and what drugs and or what drug deal went wrong? I feel that if they know who Judy Davis’s boyfriend at that time was and go and question him and Judy Davis then you have your killer which is probably Judy Davis’s boyfriend at that time. That’s to say if they are even alive today. Also Judy Davis probably has a different last name by now! Judy Davis told Jefferey Deaver to stay out of sight from her boyfriend because of the drug deal that Jefferey Deaver messed up so that sounds like this boyfriend of Judy Davis sounds dangerous! Your killer is the boyfriend of Judy Davis!
Christie, it appears from Jeff’s classmate, that he was hanging out with her co-worker Judy Davis. It makes me wonder, what was their relationship.
Also, if he screwed up a drug deal, that her boyfriend set up, why would she even allow him into her apartment. Also, where her apartment in relation to his apartment building.
Also, does anyone know besides the classmate know where Judy worked, and if she moved, married her boyfriend.
Larry, I would think the police, might prefer a bit more information on wbich to look at Henry Claytor.
Was a student at the school, or maybe someone who had a thing for Penny, and she turned him down. Maybe he believed her essay implicated him in something she was aware of.
In case anyone is interested, Dateline produced an hour long segment on the Michelle Martinko case.
You should be able to go to NBC.com and identify your cable / streaming service provider and view the show. It’s called “And then there were three”.
Here’s the link if interested…
https://www.nbc.com/dateline/video/and-then-there-were-three/4228462
Update: From a granddaughter of Robert Lee Ruby –
In regards to our Grandfather, Robert Lee Ruby, I can only go by stories my mother told me. She always told me that he “fell” down a “Well” and broke every bone in his body. My mother insists she was with him at the time and knew that he didn’t fall but he was pushed. My mother was only 13 at the time so to her the mine shaft was a “well”. She also told me that she saw who did it (they didn’t see her) and I was never to ask who it was. I asked her if I knew the person and she told me with a firm voice that she would never reveal that information and would take it to her grave; which she did. I asked her why she thought the incident happened and she stated that it was over money and probably the fact that our grandfather had more than most. Many people were jealous that he was able to continue to bring money in during the depression. He was also able to rebuild his finances after spending all he had for our grandmother, Mary Ellen Ruby, during her illness. He had the reputation of helping those in need and always provided food and a place to sleep for people who were traveling or just needed help along the way. My mother remembers a post on the fence that the people would put marks on to let others know that their farm was a place where they could be helped. The only rule……Grandpa took all of their matches and cigarettes before they went into the barn to sleep. What does concern me about the statements she made about grandfather’s death was the distress she felt when she told the story. If I didn’t know the person or know about the person she would have told me what she knew about them without giving me his/her name. This is why I have always thought I either knew the person or knew about them. It was never discussed again and I never mentioned it or asked. I do feel that it was NOT an accident but a murder. I don’t believe the story that the horse could have moved the wagon and caused grandfather to fall. He was also a farmer and knew about equipment and animals plus the fact that since my mother WAS with him he would have not taken any unnecessary risks etc. This added with my mother’s statements indicates to me it wasn’t an accident. I don’t have any proof other than what she told me which was all hearsay. However, my mother was always quiet about her father and didn’t speak of him much unless I asked questions. When my mother told me what she knew about the “accident” she was not ill nor on any medications that would cause her to tell outlandish stories. My mother and I were very close so I think she confided in me as much as she could just to release the burden of knowing more than what was told.
It is sad how people from my generation dismiss the depression as a bad time in history. I am from the last of the baby boomers. Today it is practically mocked. Young people today have no idea what and who were sacrificed nor for how much.
Ok so I just started doing some research on this case from old newspaper articles so hopefully some of you who have been researching this longer can help.( I will also point out I am in no way trying to blame the crime on the family or neighbors.) I have soooo many questions? I went back to reports from the day Donna Sue went missing before her body was found and initial reports state Mr. Davis didn’t see his daughter missing until 10pm. So it is unclear to me how the timeline changed from 10pm to 9:40, unless initial reports were wrong or further interviews with Mr. Davis and the family gave a different time frame. Next is that if the suspicious man seen was carrying Donna Sue then why wouldn’t she have awoken during the ordeal, unless she was incapacitated in some way. A man carrying her right after falling asleep when he is being described as hunched over, hiding in spots, running, jumped a fence, a barking dog, and nearby neighbors yelling at him, it doesn’t make sense how she would have slept through all of that. If she was incapacitated then it would be clear it was not a crime of opportunity. But planned. Someone who knew that window was going to be open, what time she went to bed, and where she slept. Next is the interaction with Mr. and Mrs. Fjeldos and the suspicious man. I cannot wrap my head around why Mr. Fjeldos would leave his wife alone outside with a suspicious man while he phoned police. I asked my husband the same question and he told me he would immediately send me inside to safety. Am I reading too much into this? Not sure but it is something that stood out to me right away. I still have more questions but I will stop there for now and hopefully get some clarification.
I agree.
I second that
O.J. wanted to prove to people that he indeed was was a simp (last name Simpson) so he clapped the husbands cheeks cuz the husband abused her.
i think it was the axe that killed him.
I NEW MR. MASSOURIS, I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH HIS DAUGHTER, SALLY.WAS IN THE HOME AFTER SCHOOL, MR. MASSOURIS ALWAYS GAVE THE KID’S O THE NEIGHBOR HOOD MONEY ,FOR POP SICKLES. HE ALWAY’S SEEMED LARGER THAN LIFE, SORTA, LIKE (AL PACINO)’ MAY THE HOLY SPIRIT BLESS YOU NOW AND FOREVER. EVE( MILLER ) MC BRIDE
While doing some research I found an old newspaper article that stated sioux city pd got some good fingerprints off the chest, crib, and window. Did those turn out to be fingerprints of the immediate family. I never see anything discussed about them?
Tony and I were classmates in elementary school. We would play almost daily in the summer time. He has the spirit and energy, always willing to help you when you were down, always the life in the room. I remember the day I came over and knocked on the door, I hadn’t seen him in awhile—that’s when I had learned of his passing. As I get older, I frequently think about my friend and where he would be in life. It deeply saddens me to realize he is no longer here, but my friend I want you to know you haven’t been forgotten; I remember you, and so do a many of others. I am now 26 years old and the world is in a crazy state filled with political and racial agendas. When I think of Tony, I think of a human that did not see color and saw me as his friend and the goodness of others. Rest easy Tony, I miss ya ❤️
Antonio,
What a beautiful tribute to your friend! Thanks so much for sharing this with us.
Jody at ICC
I remember hearing about this, on the Chicago news, when it happened.
Was there any chance that the person or persons who abducted her were in the apartment with her and made her say that she overslept when her colleague called?
Yo yo boys, is this the city with the homeless clan out killing people?
Yeah i think so
RIP Goldie Belle…. Much love from your great grandson
Are you the same Teresa that commented quite a while ago about a man that was born in 1960 that told you about a crime that now lives in Russellville,AR
I searched for some address information on two websites, but found nothing. I wonder if Anon could check their resources. It might help if we knew his medical issues.
he dose not have a medical issues.
did you see if this may be The following people, Darlene Fitchett, Alice mae Van Alstine , it would probably help if knew an estimate how long she been gone, not sure if u can do that, here also I found some girls/ young ladies who this could be, some ot from Iowa but who knows someone could of brought the girls to Iowa, Kristy Lynn Booth – Cheryl Ann Scherer, 19, – Scott City, Missouri
Are you the same Teresa that commented quite a while ago about a man that was born in 1960 that told you about a crime that now lives in Russellville,AR
Alice is my aunt. She congenitally didn’t have upper lateral incisors.
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prayers with family, I hope they get some resolution of what happen to Mervin
I think both cases, are mexician decent and went back to mexico, I hope they find out who did this
I’ve seen it reported that Marc lived with a Grandmother in Connecticut for his first few years. I know this detail may be lost in time, but does anyone know where? I’m from Connecticut, so I’ve just always wondered where Mark and his Grandma lived. It’s weird to think I have probably been through areas he once went to, before moving to Iowa.
Leslie Rule, daughter of the late true-crime writer Ann Rule, has published a book about this case called “A Tangled Web.” Very good book, and a terrifying story!
Anonymous. I wonder if the details were ever shared with the VA Office of Inspector General, They OIG conducts audits of the various operations to check fro fruad, waste and abuse. They also have criminal investigators, who are special agents. So, this would be something that they should have been involved with.
I worked with a number of their people in my time in the VA many years ago. Off course, it might take many hours to check old records to see when Arnold, was in the VA.
Also, checking the system for veterans with the date of birth of 1948, might take some time.Also, seeing if any6 veteran was getting a disability to a flamethrower accident, might take some time.
This is a very odd statement to make!
Theresa’s comment.
omg
I thought some may be interested that On The Case With Paula Zahn on Investigation Discovery (ID) network premiered a segment yesterday on the Michelle Martinko case.
The ID network is carried by most television providers or directly on the ID Network website (will need to input your television provider). The segment called “”A Test of Patience” should be searchable and viewable at any point here.
Upcoming segments will be produced and aired by 48 Hours and Dateline in a yet to be announced date and time.
I clearly remember when Gene disappeared. I was 15 at the time. Gene was 2 years younger than I, he lived with his mother on the east side during the school year, and visited his dad during the summer, so I didn’t know him, but this happened in my south side neighborhood, and it hit me pry hard.
As someone who grew up about a mile from where Gene’s paper bundles were dropped, and about a 1/4 mile from where his bag was found, who also spent a few weeks in Iowa August beating the bushes all over the south side of Des Moines with the organized search crews, I’d like to point some things out to the internet sleuths here.
First. From where his paper bundles were dropped, the city limits are approximately 1 mile straight south, and also about a mile and a quarter west on a state highway that ran straight to Interstate 35. The map today doesn’t represent the area as it was because the airport bought out my entire neighborhood to expand and rerouted the highway a bit to the south. But if you look at the intersection of SW 14th and Army Post Rd. on the current map, then track a straight line west to I-35, through the airport, that is how the highway ran. Near the end of the last building shown on the airport on Google maps today is where the city limit sign used to be, and if memory serves me correctly 36 years later, Gene’s bag was found on the side of the road not too far past the sign (and not far from my driveway) by his RM, who saw it because it was on his path from where he was to Gene’s bundle drop. You could never miss those bright yellow bags playing on the ground anywhere.
I didn’t know Gene because he was 2 years younger than me, but this was my neighborhood.
The biggest reason that there is more information about the investigation out in the public view about Johnny Gosch than Gene is because Noreen could not stay away from microphones, and often times said things on air that compromised the police investigation. Don Martin didn’t do this.
I can tell you that in the weeks after Gene’s disappearance there wasn’t a field, barn, ditch, culvert, property, creek bed, river bank, railroad trestle, abandoned piece of farm equipment, or park inside of a 7 mile radius that wasn’t walked and checked by our group, which often times was accompanied by Gene’s uncle. No property owner, to my knowledge, told us no, you can’t look here. That’s just the way we were back then. I also remember that neighborhood was literally crawling with police canvassing, checking, looking, etc… For at least a week. They were never denied access anywhere they wanted to look because us south siders were upset, and actually wanted to help. Nobody in Gene’s family hurt him, or buried him in the basement under his own house. Those things were extensively checked.
Detective Rowley followed every lead and idea that came his way. You can take that to the bank. I will say that in the interest of keeping investigation details under wraps to keep the cranks from wasting his time, he wouldn’t, or couldn’t let people know what was or wasn’t found. That’s just standard investigative procedure. I see names called out here that I remember hearing back then, so I can only assume they were thoroughly investigated as well.
Yes, the Register had a few pedophiles working in the delivery department at the time, but I recall every single one of them was checked thoroughly, as well as the RM, the DM, and anyone else with the Register that might have had a slight passing knowledge. DMPD didn’t want to miss a trick, and I don’t recall hearing of anyone stonewalling them.
Someone mentioned that when Gene disappeared, the fair was in town. This is incorrect. When Gene disappeared, Balloon Fest was happening in Indianola, and the fair was still over a week away (August 15-25). It was someone from the neighborhood headed for Indianola to watch the morning mass ascension who witnessed Gene speaking with the adult. Although Gene’s mom lived a few blocks from the fairgrounds, Gene was at his dad’s, which was a good 20 minute drive from the fairgrounds, so the possibility of it being one of the carnies was extremely slim as that show wouldn’t have even been in the state of Iowa at that time.
36 years later I still recall these things clearly. I remember coming home every night absolutely exhausted from all the walking and climbing over fences and obstacles, but ready to go again the next morning because I wanted him back home with his family. I remember how sad I felt when the searches were called off because we hadn’t been successful.
Gene would be 50 this year, and we still don’t know where he is.
Are you saying the newspaper bag was found on Army Post Road? Wasn’t there a church there before the airport expanded? If someone was headed that way with Gene, they might have been returning to WDM, which makes sense if it was the same person who kidnapped Johnny Gosch.That seems more likely than some random stranger from the balloon festival 15 miles away.
It was never stated, but from where we began, and focused the searches, yes, it appeared the bag was found on Army Post. Yes, there was a church out there. (Airport Baptist Church, the lot still remains and can be seen on Google maps) and the house I grew up in was right next door to the church. The city limits was about 1/2 mile father west from my house.
Heading that watt would take you to Interstate 35, which can take you anywhere from there.
Mike K.. I grew up just a few blocks from the abduction site and by the sound of it you and I are only 2 years apart in age. We may have met long ago. I also carried papers on SW15th St. The thing you need to remember is that south Des Moines and West Des Moines were very connectible then. Army Post (Hwy 5) shot straight west to 35 or 63rd Street that takes you into Johnny Gosch area.. but you could do most of the route then by skirting the city. At 6 am on a Sunday it would be a fast route. My point.. I think the Johnny and Eugene abductor was between or in those areas. I do not think it was a guy from North Des Moines trolling the southwest side. But at that time there was a lot of wooded or rural stretches on western Army Post Road.
I just want to find her. She is a great lady. She would have never left her daughter.
I just that we could find her. And let her rest in peace
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Hey asshole, you don’t know the true story, so shut the fuck up.
Any chance there’s enough DNA from the skeleton found in order to do a genealogy aeaech?
that would be great if they did, I see so many cold cases who crimes were solved due to dna, I hope this is one!!
I wished my memory was better! But I can say that I KNOW this girl! I have tried so hard to remember exactly when i met her…
I know I spoke with her about her adopted family and she spoke of her children..and how she wanted a relationship with them.
I emailed the police above in regards to the information i know… Hope and pray Brianne will get justice ❤🙏
The Key To All Of This Is Curtis Padgett…I’m Sorry.But To Me His Story Doesn’t Sound Credible……It Sounds Made Up….
This man was a criminal.
Who gives a damn about his murder?
May he NOT rest in peace
Why are there two different missing dates, two years apart? What is the real story here? And from what I understand, Kimberly was in Texas and took a Greyhound bus to Davenport Iowa to visit her father, but never arrived at her father’s house. So who verified that she actually made it to Davenport?
She was in Texas visiting her father and was coming back home and she wouldn’t runaway there would be no reason to we have a awesome family that u love to be around not runaway from
Her Mother and I verified it.
Check out the Knight families’ court records..they are criminals https://www.iowacourts.state.ia.us/ESAWebApp/DefaultFrame
Isaac Knight, Donald Knight, Benjamin Knight, Sarah Bergman
Check out the Knight families’ court records..they are criminals https://www.iowacourts.state.ia.us/ESAWebApp/DefaultFrame
Isaac Knight Donald Knight, Benjamin Knight
Trust me the Knights can sleep at night. They have no regard for the law and what is right and wrong. They have no conscience. They have not pushed LE to try to solve Laura’s murder, they just sit back and laugh and hide. They did not care about Laura, they wanted her out of their lives and they succeeded.
Laura and her mother fought over her fraternizing with the Knights. Her mother did not feel they were people who were law abiding citizens and respectful of law enforcement and authority.
This person of interest looks like Nick wood!
Who is that? A relative?
Were there other missing kids before Johnny in the 80’s or even the late 70’s? I know Eugene Martin and Marc Allen were kidnapped after Johnny, and that from ’86 to ’89 there were other attempts, that thankfully failed. Were there possibly other attempts back around 1982 that people ignored? Or maybe kids felt they couldn’t report them?
In my opinion, Charles Ray Hatch should be a suspect in the murders of Donald Hebert, Roger Atkison, Rose Burkert, and Sandra Jo Pittman.
Charles Ray Hatch was Roger Atkison’s uncle I believe. He escaped from a facility in Nebraska on September 6th, 1980. September 8th, 1980, Donald Hebert is seen leaving a local tavern with an unknown male. He is found shot just above the left eye. Based on known information, it appears the unknown male subject killed Hebert for money. The homicide took place in Des Moines, Iowa.
Four days later, on September 12th, 1980, Roger Atkison and Rose Burkert are murdered at the Holiday Inn in Amana, Iowa. Amana is straight east of Des Moines. They are brutally killed with an ax/hatchet like object. The two had met up at the hotel, which is about 270 miles from home in Missouri. Why meet up there of all places? Atkison was married and they were having an affair, but why so far away? With his Uncle escaping just 6 days prior, one has to wonder if he had contacted Roger looking for help.
On September 17th, 1980, Sandra Jo Pittman is murdered by blunt force trauma to the head, near Clarence, Iowa. This location is further straight east of Amana and Des Moines. I find no description of the weapon used other than “claw hammer of crow bar type object” was used to kill her by blows to the head. She was reported to be staying at the Catholic Shelter in Davenport when she went missing.
This is interesting since Charles Ray Hatcher, who was picked up on the escape charge in Lincoln, NE on October 9th, 1980, would later be released to the Salvation Army Shelter in Davenport, Iowa after being released from Des Moines on April 10th, 1981. He had been held just prior for a knife fight, but was held under an alias.
That’s all I’ve looked into so far, but Charles Ray Hatcher should be a very strong suspect in all these cases.
If Johnny Gosch was alive as Noreen Gosch has suggested, perhaps he now has children or grandchildren. Although it is a long shot, I think Johnny’s parents should submit DNA tests to Ancestry.com and 23 and Me with law enforcement serving as administrator of the dna results. When the results come back, the raw data should be uploaded for free to gedmatch, my heritage, and family tree. Then if there are close family matches with cms in the range of a parent child, grandparent to grandchild, or great grandparent to great grandchild relationship this would indicate he is alive. If no such results come in then he probably is not alive. This should be done before the death of Johnny’s parents. The cm relationships can be determined by using the free online DNA Painter and typing in the cm number of a dna match and tgen scrolling down to see the possible relationships.
JusticeFor Kaiden! Contuined prayers for the family as they try to get through each day after his murderer is finally caught! You can rest ,Kaiden. Rest In Peace.
He was my favorite Uncle , he was very depressed for many years and had 2 sucide attempts a few years before his disappearance. His truck was not stolen and we guessed that he went in the river but could not swim. I miss him still. Rick Doerring
my dad was neighbor to the one found on 8th street, only thing could tell them they wee mexician and never heard them speak english
Justin, I agree. When I forced heard about the two girls in Chicago, the use of .32 caliber firearm seemed odd. However, they were popular for a time. Also, a 15 year old boy from Zion, Illinois, disappeared possibly in December 1970. He was found shot to death in a ditch in Racine County, Wisconsin. He was shot in the head three times with a .32 caliber firearm. This is similar to the murder of the two girls.
However, some Chicago Mob hitman, also used .22 caliber firearms. However, two of them used a .22 caliber firearm on a Ken Eto, who ran a gambling operation for the Mob. Well, he survived, and rolled over to the Feds. The two hitman, were found murdered in the trunk of a stolen car.
So, I wonder about the use of small caliber firearms in a few unsolved murders.
IIRC, at the time of the murder, a black escalade had been seen in the area, an older associate of hers drove a similar vehicle and was cleared with all the speed of someone with a connected employer, he later committed suicide, can’t recall the details, but I believe they were good friends, I wondered if the wife was a little nuts, saw an affair and shot her, and the husband covered it up and finally couldn’t deal with it and killed himself.
Joe was single
I don’t suppose they kept the blood samples. DNA doesn’t lie. Wasn’t much of thing back then but if they still have the clothing in evidence they should be able to pull dna. Just a thought.
Corrections to “About Lloyd Patrick” section: Lloyd and Jeannette had two children; Betty Francine Patrick DeBruin (1927-2011) and Glenn Lloyd Patrick (1934-2014). Lloyd was born at Beacon, Mahaska county, Iowa.
Thank you, Dena, for this information. I have added it to Floyd’s page.
Cindy, I appreciate the details that you provided since you were with Valerie when she left. The frustrating part to me, is that she spent most of Sunday, with LuAnn Hicks. Then she meets with you to go swimming and then stay overnight. Then she leaves you at the pool, she stops again at LuAnn’s. However, she was not home. It makes me wonder if she wanted LuAnn, to be with her when she met whoever later. I wonder what details she could provide. I agree, that the offender is someone in plain sight at the time, and may have left the area.
I posted this post a year ago. Bring that I have watched many crime and investigation show, the way this child was found, was personal. Did they ever look at the immediate family members? I just hope and pray they can give this little girl justice and that she may rest in peace 🙏😔
In what way do you consider the way that she was found to be personal? And what would suggest the involvement of family in this?
In regards to the cold weather, I remember my late father used to put an old army blanket on the engine, in the cold weather. I remember doing that myself while working at the VA, especially working nights. The only problem is that I would forget to remove the blanket, until about have way home. At least the engine stayed warm.
So, it appears that these two friends decided to not warm up earlier their cars until they were going to visit the victim.
did his girl friends car always have problems or just on that day ..just wondering
Arthur Charles Scott is now on facebook https://www.facebook.com/acharlesscott
Here is the current contact info for Arthur Charles Scott. https://www.advancedbackgroundchecks.com/art-charles-scott_id_G-xwZ8QpBBvx2P2
As I asked above, Why isn’t her body exhumed to see if there is DNA under her nails? Arthur Charles Scott was admittedly the last person to see her alive. He gave different stories to law enforcement, and then refused to take a polygraph. His face was covered in scratches the day after her disappearance and he claimed he got them from “falling down at home.” His parents hired a spendy lawyer and then hustled him out of state. Now he is age 73 and lives in Illinois. Gary McHugh was cleared and was willing to take a polygraph.
They need to exhume her body!
His DNA could be under her fingernails!
Maybe the date didn’t go the way he wanted it to & he got mad…
Her body was was partially nude.
The more I read about Valerie’s case, it becomes confusing. She supposedly hung out with LuAnn Hicks. Then she meets up with Cindy, to go the swimming pool for the evening program. She then bails out on Cindy, to meet up with someone.
But, she then stops by LuAnn’s house to see if she was home. LuAnn was not home at the time. So, she stands up Cindy at the swimming pool, and is last seen at a street corner at about 8:30 p.m. Was this where she was supposed to meet the other person.
I wonder if Valerie while on her way to her meeting with her unidentified friend, decided to kill some time at LuAnn’s house. We need to know her story if any.
Also, what if anything she may have shared with her sisters and other school friends. The only one we hear from is Cindy, who provides the correct details on what happened at the swimming pool.
We need more details, that may be in the police reports. Quite often cold case investigators come across references to people, who were never interviewed or evidence that was never tested, or could be retested.
has anybody found him .. i’m his son
There is a Kevin Jenkins on facebook that would almost match that age now
I can’t believe the sheriff never pursued Arthur Scott Jr especially when some of her clothes were found on the street he lived on. I wonder if they ever searched his car or checked out if it was a two-toned Mercury. I’m guessing because he was the son of a businessman they didn’t go after him.
Interesting…
https://www.kniakrls.com/2020/07/02/fight-between-father-and-son-lands-bill-carter-in-the-hospital/
Wow, great family alright…
Some farming families are ruthless and very greedy. My in-laws are farmers and are great people, However, I’ve seen enough from their more distant relatives, neighboring farming families, landlords & tenants to know millions of dollars in farmland corrupts.
OMG was Junior ever fully investigated? and was about the sister? she stated that she told Jason he needed to call 911, but she called her father. she didn’t call 911 to report in right away either. The whole thing is strange. Shirley Carter will not rest in peace until the truth is found out.
I heard someone was arrested is this true?
Yes, they arrested a girl from Des Moines.
https://kwwl.com/2020/06/26/breaking-arrest-made-in-2018-death-of-kaiden-estling/
First, the cops don’t let anybody go on bond or bail. Judges do that. The cops do not decide who to prosecute. The county attorney does that. If some commenters think it is easy being a cop, then apply for a job doing it. Oh, wait, you can’t you say because you have a record? Any idiot can blame cops in a uniform and a marked police car. They are an easy target. Try spreading the blame to the “suits” that make decisions over which the cops have no control. That also means juries, and the people that try anything to get out of jury duty. Law enforcement is a reflection of the community they serve. If you want change, stop letting the media fail to print the names of judges in cases they hear, and vote no on them on being retained in office on your election ballot if you don’ like their decisions and sentencing habits. Too many of these people think they do not have a door on their chambers, but instead a stone that rolls away. The difference between too many of them and Jesus Christ is Christ does not walk down the street thinking he is a judge.
The Boy Scouts could have closed this one. Obviously the husband.
Agree but gotta prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
Someone at least claiming to be him has a new youtube channel and has recently posted a bunch of new videos.
This is different than his old youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDCXkEcSAqJKmL_ayaZULEw
I clicked on one video and only watched it for a couple seconds. Disturbing doesn’t cover it. I flagged the channel but am wondering if I should have left it alone for investigating his case. It takes a bunch of reports to get a channel banned.
The Youtube channel has changed its name to “poxito chingon.”
Look at the middle boy in this photo from the facebook page of the guy named Mario Nimaja who lives in Denison. Is this a younger version of the boy that Jesse has in various photos on the internet? I’m not so good with faces, or aging between years.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1605330886351040&set=ecnf.100006224316886&type=3&theater
Mr. McIntyre, your claims have been fully investigated and completely debunked by law enforcement. Not a single thing you’ve said in the above statement or in any other statements you blanket on the true crime sites are in any way true. By making false claims (and ego boosting yourself to boot), you’re hurting the families and friends of the victims. Please stop.
I find M. McIntyre’s comments a mess. He throws out stuff about Keith DeWayne Nelson, who was convicted in the Pamela Butler case. Yes he is federal prison in Terre Haute, Indiana. Also he is on a list of federal inmates to be executed.
But, Mr. McIntyre comments are a jumble of other incidents that may be connected to Mr. Nelson. But, he does not provide any facts, as Sgt. Joe Friday would say. His material is all over the place and not organized.
He could have shown proof that Mr. Nelson was in living, working, or visiting in these places, especially Mason City, Iowa. Mr. Nelson, might fit a profile if we had found Jodi murdered, and she was killed in the same way as Pamela Butler.
But, all he does he is throw Mr. Keith Nelson at the wall, expects him to stick as being involved in Jodi’s case. I would expect more from an alleged criminal profiler.
Hey mom, its me again. Been thinking of you a lot. Grandpa (on dads side) isn’t doing the best lately.. so been trying to think positive but it gets hard at times.
I am getting married in a few months :) youd absolutely love him. We are flying out to iowa next month to see everyone, its been about a year. So that will be really nice.
I love and miss you very much and I wish so much that you could be here to watch me walk down the isle and watch my family grow, but i know you’re watching over me ♡
This person is another “nimaja” from Denison…
https://www.facebook.com/mario.nimaj
It gets weirder. Check this out. He definitely seems somehow related to that Pedro Nimaja Pol who is the sex offender. https://soundcloud.com/giovanipedro-nimajapol
Please look at this LinkedIn Profile for Adexe Nau Giovanni Nimaja Pol located here:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/adexe-nau-giovanni-nimaja-pol-b18490126/?originalSubdomain=ar
It says: “soy niño mis padres me mantiene en ninguna y canté y bailarín” which I believe means “I’m a child; my parents don’t support me, and I sing and dance.”
I wonder if he got that name from the Spanish teen singers Adexe y Nau.
Even though the girls died at different ages in different years they were all basically the same age probably in the same class being born in either 56 or 57 which would probably put them in the class of 75. I would start by looking at boys in that same class or a year either way a year forward or back most likely a local who knew all three woman at least casually. Being that age myself I know that a lot of years have passed since then, I’d start by seeing who went down an obviously bent path and start there…
After retiring with 35 years behind a badge, I know there are only two reasons for murder. Love and hate. Love of money, hate for the person killed, or love of killing, using some person even random, as a hate object, or even hate of ones self, projecting it onto someone else. Folks like to say the killer is crazy, or sick. Sometimes, but rarely. Most are just evil. Lots of love or hate reasons.
First, ask, who stands to gain. Second, look at the evidence at the scene. What is there that does not fit, and what should be there that is missing.
Third, what is the nature of the big picture of the offense.
I recall when this Dyersville case happened. Knowing both DCI agents mentioned above,
It is fair to assume they were as thorough as was possible. There are lots of things not made public to protect the investigation.
What caliber bullet was found in the body. Was an empty ammo casing found at the scene. Was there a bullet missing from an otherwise full box in the house.
Was a gun normally in the house missing. We’re gunshot residue tests taken. Were
clothes of those present in the house seized. We’re there polygraph exams taken.
Did anyone in the house at the time contact an attorney in a short amount of time
after the murder.
Was there life insurance on the deceased. Was it recently changed, or purchased.
Who collected on the policy.
Did someone suspected fairly soon move or leave the area.
We do not know all of these things, but investigators may.
But knowing and proving are two different things.
Sometimes justice and the law are third cousins, at best.
I’m Michael David Rogers. Son of Melvin Gallagher. Sad to report,still no good leads.At this point, I have come to grips knowing I will leave this earth when the Lord calls me and will never know who killed my biological Father until I get to the Glory Land.Thank you so much for everyone who cared and still does, Much love. Michael David Rogers
Hi Michael, I hope and pray you get the answer you are looking for. You sound like an amazing person and I bet you father is with you every day. Much love to you!!
thank you so much means a lot!!!
Do you know who your half twin sisters are from your father’s fiancee Gloria?? Just curious if you would want to know that information?? I am so very sorry that this case has never been solved. It sounds like you have experienced a lot of heartbreak in your life. Prayers for you as you continue this journey.
I left a comment for you on Melvin Gallaghers’s page.
Do you know your half twin sisters from your father’s fiancee Gloria?? Just curious if you would want to know that information?? I am so very sorry that this case has never been solved. It sounds like you have experienced a lot of heartbreak in your life. Prayers for you as you continue this journey.
Have you ever contacted this Gloria or your half twin sisters to see if they had any info?
I have watched this case in the past and watched again tonight. I think that Jason Carter killed his mother. I watch cases all the time. I find that infidelity is a common denominator in a lot of cases like this. If his mother had learned of his affair and his knowing that his inheritance could be in jeopardy, I think he could definitely kill her before she told his father. But, a statement he made in passing was a key for me. He said that when his brother left home, his dad forced him to do all the chores his brother left behind even though he felt he was too young to carry the load. I think he resented that, and he felt he was entitled to the land and money he would inherit. He would have gone on cheating and living his life had his mother not gotten in his way. He wasn’t going to take the chance of his father finding out and taking him out of the will. I think he knew too much when he called 911. I don’t think the judge told the jury to find him innocent. I do think the police did a lousy job of investigating the crime. If they had done their job, the truth probably would have come out.
I think the father did it why would he try and commit suicide not once but twice come on now
I totaly agree. He was the last person to see her before the son found her.
Cindy, Ravin, Tracy, and whomever else is implying the father, he’d husband was the last to see/hear/talk to/know she was alive. You need to know 2 things about the father/husband/Bill Sr. When he left the house after getting coffee with her, he inadvertently pulled out in front of his neighbor at 7:41AM. (Neighbor testified to being looking at the time on his car click, and further more, he continues to drive behind Bill Sr. to the gravel and then highway, North and East (where Bill Sr. picks up his semi, at a farm in Pleasantville, approx. 15 miles from home).
So give or take we are now at about 7:55-8:00AM.
Bill checked his semi tires as always is his practice with a hammer. (To some, this may sound different, but if you’re old school, or even taught by an old schooler on semi grain hauling, this is common. You hit each of the “18 wheels” with a hammer to see they are solid, check lights and note any fluid leaks, safety for transport. Basically it is a quick walk around. He says his semi is loaded from the day before with corn, ready to go to Cargill, about 50-60 minutes away to deliver grain. He states he waited a few moments for the diesel to run, not a long time, because it is was a sunny day, warm, 6/19/15. He then pulls out, and heads to Cargill with his own set goal of 9:00 AM arrival. The camera at Cargill shows him pulling in the gates at 9:01AM.
Meanwhile, Shirley (wife, mom) has filled out a voting ballot for the Iowa Corn Board voting for Donny Hunerdose. Why? Because they’d seen Donny at Casey’s when they got coffee, prior to Bill Sr. taking Shirley back home. Donny tells them he hopes he doesn’t mind that he sent them a ballot and would appreciate their vote. They tell him no problem, and Shirley tells Donny she will fill it out right when she gets home.
Then, she apparently notices there’s a number to call the vote in. She removes the stamp from the already filled out envelope (the stamp is on the desk, the ballot and envelope are found in the kitchen trash by her daughter and turned over to DCi/Sherriff’s.).
KEY **Between 8:44AM, and 8:47AM, Shirley makes FIVE calls to two phone numbers from their HOME phone and submits their vote on the phone (records and testimony in criminal trial by the Corn Board Rep of the received vote and copy of the Corn board’s records. Also, the Home phone company records 5 dialed calls to the 2 numbers for that time period. Short calls. She was alive. Bill Sr. Was about 50 minutes away from the home. So he did NOT leave her shot with two high powered rifle shots through her lungs and heart. He did not kill her. I hope this clears some things up. I understand it is difficult to make sense if the timeline if you’re not looking through everything very thoroughly and if you don’t listen to testimony that is crucial, yet was not spelled out and summarized by the prosecutor..unfortunately. I am their niece. My cousin is Jason. If you want clarification like this and it is not sealed, I am willing to offer any answers I can.
Murder for hire by Bill Sr
Still afraid of Bill, Linnette? Or is the inheritance you think is coming your way giving you the courage to persevere?
Dearest F,
Inheritance. That’s a terrible thing to say. I’ve never in my life thought I would inherit anything from anyone. This remains true today. Afraid of anyone? Not at all, but thank you for your concern.
Also, Dearest F. You are so inclined to accuse me of the greed others have, why do you not state your comment with your name? You said my name without issue. Please show the same courage. Thanks.
Some pretty despicable people on this thread, huh? Wow!
Thank you…this is the most cohesive explanation of time that I have read about this case. I agree that the prosecutor did not cover these details adequately. I think this case should have been solved with a more comprehensive and professional investigation. I appreciate this explanation.
Thank you for this insightful response.
Retha,
I completely understand. I can only wish I didn’t learn some things about the marriages in my family history on my parents’ families). It’s not all bad, but the things you learn as an adult are very different than what you think as a child. I could have lived without it. Also, it only causes pain to expose those things. It does not seem to help anyone. It’s sad. In many instances, I have learned things about our history I probably could have lived without knowing. 🫶 Be well
Hi Jody,
Do you think Kevin Petersen is possibly connected to the house fires in 2017? The Loose family house burned Christmas day killing four people. Four days earlier, a relatives house burned killing four people. Both fires are listed as cause undetermined.
Maybe he set these fires in an attempt to silence anyone bringing attention to the Kim Loose case. Maybe it was an attempt to destroy the records and transcripts obtained by Julie Loose. The case had been receiving an increase in media attention in the few years prior to the fires.
I think I might know about the last two murders in 2019….. Information was brought my way and I’m scared really to pass it on
Just FYI, I went to Harrison School in Council Bluffs in K through 2nd grade with Steve Lybarger (we were in the class of 1970). We were friends in 1st grade but not as much after that. I moved to another school for 3rd grade and later. I was surprised when I heard about the charges against him back then.
Jen, I agree with your comments about a long haul trucker possibly being a suspect. The FBI has has a database of these guys for a number of years. However, it makes. There is no mention of when she died. Also, it appears he may have kept her under her under wraps for at least almost 8 days.
Also, we don’t know how she got to the concert or was getting home. So. I assume she went there alone, and that no one else she knew went to the concert.
wait how was the bodys condition
enough to determine strangulation and no sexual assault. also not decomposed enough to obtain fluids and what not. prob not that long, few days at most
Given the long distance, a long-haul truck driver could be the culprit. They should look at Clark Perry Baldwin, given the location.
Now that CeCe Moore has been able to solve multiple cases through dna from crime scenes, we have new methods and connections beyond codis. If the FBI lost tge dna, they can still submit the blanket she was wrapped in to get dna from the killer. Contact Ce Ce Moore. The dna can be pulled from the blanket and then uploaded to Gedmatch to identify the killer’s relatives and narrow it down to the one.
Jen, thanks for the information you provided. I rebooked at those childhood images and afree with Moon’s comment, that they are disturbing. It makes me wonder, if he was being abused.
The videos all over the internet with this young man’s name attached are extremely disturbing.There is another man of the same last name in Texas whose resemblance is too striking for this to not be a relative, possibly father or older brother, and this man was arrested for uploading child porn to the internet. https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/san-antonio/news/2018/06/12/man-accused-of-uploading-child-porn-to-instagram
Unfortunately, I am afraid that there may be some very sad history associated with this young missing man.
I am also curious why Ben Steffe – Sioux City – is not a cold case?
I think this case needs to be reopened. There are other women in the area who were being stalked by Davis at the time of this abduction.
That man sounds evil!
https://casetext.com/case/us-v-davis-590
Tiffany I read over this case you submitted. How did you get that he’s evil! I know he was never formally charged with bomgars and they got him for guns in woodbine while he lived in Blair! You are just as evil for condemning someone that you don’t even have burden of proof that he did anything and I haven’t heard that they have a body? How do we know she’s even dead? I know of women who just left their children and took off! They mentally break and leave! Karma is a bitch if you’re wrong! It’s defamation of character and you could end up in jail!
Hi. I work with Harrison County Crime Stoppers. Can you email me with any information that you might have about Davis? ssalter@harrisoncountyiowacrimestoppers.org
I think if Jason was found not guilty I believe his father needs to be looked at. Because i watched the case and believe hes the one that killed her and pointed the finger at his son.
Me to
Wow I remember that. And sadly to say , I know one of the guys that were mentioned who owed John money I’m not at all positive , but he , himself couldn’t shoot anyone , but I’m sure he knows exactly who did.
I kinda knew John , thought he was a descent man. Definitely didn’t deserve getting killed.
For John’s n Pam’s daughter , you are a very strong young lady n I’m sure ur daddy is very proud of you.
So sorry yours was taken away from you at a young age. Mine was too , I had just turned 14 the day before mine was taken away.
I just watched the Guilty or Innocent and have 2 questions. Who and what is the Joe person mentioned by the reporting person as admitting he did it? Why would he be going to the Carter home for drugs, wouldn’t anyone who knew them know that Shirley would more than likely be at home in the morning and or Bill?
I think I went to school with Steve Lybarger he would have graduated 70-71 maybe not from AL
Was Kim’s body checked for signs of rape? From what I have read it sounds like it wasn’t. If not, Could an exhumed body still have evidence such as semen, vaginal bruising, etc.? She had injuries inconsistent with falling out of a car, but she was a young pretty girl that had been alone with three, maybe four young guys, alcohol was involved and she had been to the home of the brothers who lived near the driver of the Camaro. She had bruising on both knees. If rape had been committed while on her knees her head and neck could have been jerked and pulled harshly, and her chest wounds could have been from being held down (while on her back potentially) with too much force such as one or two guys holding her down or her chest could have been repeatedly thrust against something (while on her knees). It sounds like the deceased brother knew what happened, he was there after all, and was highly upset about it which is likely the reason he was killed. I’m so sorry about this for the family. RIP Kim.
I doubt after 34 years even with excellent embalming there would be any viable evidence then again I hope there would be. shame what happened to this girl.
R Michelle, thank you for this question. The answer is as strange as this whole case. The autopsy report makes no reference to rape or sexual assault. Nothing. It doesn’t even state whether or not she was examined for signs of either incident. This is highly unusual.
We have on the ICC site a case of a 6-year-old who allegedly died from burns suffered in a house fire, and her autopsy report does make mention that she was examined and that there were no signs of sexual assault or abuse. Yes, the subject is covered for a 6-year-old. I have autopsy reports for some elderly women (in 80s), who were beaten to death, and sexual assault is addressed in those autopsies, too.
I don’t have autopsy reports on all of ICC’s female victims, but in the cases where a victim’s family member sent me a copy, sexual assault and/or rape is always addressed in the medical examiner’s report. Yet, here we have the case of a 16-year-old who died under extremely suspicious circumstances, but no mention of whether the M.E. even checked? The possible scenarios you posed are not without merit, but I wonder if any of us will ever know the full truth about what happened that night. Sometimes, what’s “not” in a report speaks volumes.
But 2 of the men present that night are still alive!
Thank you for the reply Jody. I believe she was raped in the case it wasn’t addressed and it would appear the M.E. was paid off or somehow involved closely with those committing the crime. They need to pull the body out and re-check it and question those 2 boys still alive. Unbelievable! This is just so disturbing!
Mr. Brown, I was reading up on Ted Bundy, last night. It appears most of his victims were in major cities. He fled east and was Ann Arbor, Michigan. He stole a car there and drove to Atlanta. Georgia. In Atlanta, he took a bus to Florida. He grabbed a 12 year old, and killed her.
He entered a Florida State Iniversity dorm and atrackedcseveral victims there. I did not see material that he spent any time in Iowa. I was looking at some cases to see if there was any other cases around the country involving a red on color Volkwagen. There were five girls who were abducted in Jacksonville. Florida over a three month period, in 1974. In one case there was a reference to Ted Bundy and a Volkswagen, however his was either tan or brown.
I also came across a case out of Springfield, Missouri. A young girl disappeared and may have been seen by a blue in color Chevrolet. I seem to remember another case involving that color vehicle.
Maybe the new comments by Amanda., can provide some details that she may know.
Bundy wasn’t anywhere near Iowa.
He must have worked for cash all the while or his social security number activity would have alerted authorities.
Mr. Elledge, hopefully with the recent cold case arrests, this might the DCI to rebook at this case. If the cases are connected as it would seem and it involves two different jurisdictions, then it would seem that the DCI should take the lead on this case. It should be somewhat easy for them to put together.
It has been my idea that the Attorney Generals of our 50 states should create a Statewide Cold Case Unit. These units would have the staff, to tell at these cases especially in those jurisdictions which don’t have the staff and resources to investigate.
I’m a genealogy nut working on Iowa family links when I came across Patricia’s “Find-A-Grave” posting and a link to the case. Wonder if with all the advances in DNA profilling, whether the police have any viable crime scene DNA that could be tested. The “GenMatch.org” site in Canada can and has been used in a number of cold cases over the last few years to solve cases that have gone cold for many years. Either of Gene’s sons could have their DNA tested so that it could be used to screen out Gene’s DNA from the crime samples. That might identify a DNA of a possible suspect.
I’ve used the sight to validate whether a possible ancester is or is not a long lost relative.
I was wondering the same as well, I have been looking into all the DNA stuff and the genmatch and how they have solved some cold cases. Being this is family, I would love to see it solved! I have my beliefs and am curious to know how right I am?
I shared her case with Kendall Rae, a youtuber that spreads awareness off cases.
It would seem Curtis Padgett has been significantly slandered here…very one-sided. Surly Padgett was thoroughly investigated. Why a section was titled Bullied becomes the Bully is ridiculous…the article is about one student’s recollection of a bullied student easily angered or agitated…that doesn’t equate to being a bully. Shame on this website for including that information is such a way.
I mean. The man was just charged with murder so…
Trucker Clark Perry Baldwin of Waterloo, IA who was recently arrested for 4 more unsolved homicides is being investigated for this one as well as Tammy Zywicki’s. Very interesting.
https://www.dailypress.com/news/crime/dp-nw-trucker-iowa-charged-slayings-gloucester-woman-20200507-2njxl2ed4nehpiz7mj5sa3s5k4-story.html
Do a side by side comparison of the composite sketch from 1991 to a picture of Clark Perry Baldwin today. It’s literally a dead ringer.
Matt, yes, the original composite sketch is literally a dead ringer to Clark Perry Baldwin. By the way, I’d noticed that under the Cedar Rapids Gazette clipping, I’d inadvertently written the year 1991 when it should have been 1992. I’ve corrected the date, and also added the flyer that officials mailed out to over 1,500 news bulletins shortly after the crime. Thanks for your input!
Clark Perry Baldwin just arrested for 1991 and 1992 murders in Wyoming and Tennessee. A long-haul trucker from Iowa. Any chance he’s the man?
https://wcfcourier.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/authorities-arrest-waterloo-man-in-connection-to-wyoming-cold-case-murders/article_3a0049bc-677e-54bf-b7a3-a07b1248a400.html
I think there is a possibility! The timing is right and everything. The only issue I saw with it was the manner of death between Tammy and the women Dennis killed.
Illinois police have since stated that he isn’t a suspect in the Tammy Zywicki case. Considering how many details are similar to other cases that Clark Perry Baldwin is a suspect in you would think they wouldn’t dismiss the idea so easy. They must have some evidence that clearly points to someone else.
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This makes me so sick to my stomach. I’ve lived in Iowa my whole life and I never have heard this story until today when I found this website. I’m so sorry for your losses. This should be national news and also made into a movie.
I know I was probably only 4 and I don’t remember you but I grew up knowing your story grandma I love you and they got him! I hope you can lay peacefully now much love
U should feel sorry for his family to have to go through this.
Kayla no she shouldn’t, if proven guilty your husband killed a 73 year old women. He deserves to rot in a cage for the rest of his life. He is also a registered sex offender so maybe they can go after you next for child endangerment for allowing a sex offender in the home with your children. Your comment disgust me.
John one my children don’t live with me. And yes she should because they are not the only ones hurting. He has a family and a child of his own that may never see his dad again.
so we are not going to talk about the fact he is a registered sex offender because he sent an inappropriate picture to his wife’s underage sister. He admitted that to me himself before anyone knew that he had murdered this woman.
The Oxygen Network is looking at Jodi case on an episode of Up & Vanished. So, hopefully it will generate some new leads. We all the new forensic tools, and cold case units that more cases would be solved.
In my personal opinion the State of Iowa should establish a Cold Case Unit. It could be staffed by active and retired investigators, under the State Attorney General. My thoughts behind it are based on testing novels by J.A. Janice. One of her characters re tut fires from Seattle homicide and gets a job with the State of Washington Attorney General’s Special Homicide Investigative Team. Everyone can figure the shortened version of the name is.
But, the idea of having state wide jurisdiction gives them a lot of clout is we say here in Chicago. The feds have used joint task forces for a number of years. A prime example are the Federal Fugutive Task Forces that the U.S. Marshal’s in regions around the country
The mix of people bring all kinds of knowledge, experience, etc to these groups. Also, it would take a burden off the locals, especially ones, where the local agency has some ghosts in their closet that might not want exposed. This is where I would like the federal agents to step in. But, the FBI has been busy investigating some disinformation they got from Val’s old friends in the KGB, or whatever name they use.
Looks like an arrest was made in this case:
https://dps.iowa.gov/man-arrested-and-charged-murder-lee-county-cold-case
Hi Patrick, (previous commenter) thanks for the reply and the background information. Yes, I believe the daughter as well. Her comment sounded very credible, and your added information further backs that up. I looked her up on Facebook shortly after she left that comment, but it looked like she hadn’t been active in a few years and I was hesitant to reach out regardless.
I really want more information on this guy. Too bad Jody isn’t responding either. At least we have more information than before.
The question I would like to ask the daughter is this. What tie might Barnes have had to the Davis family. I know he was living in Chicago, but was apparently in Sioux City the week of the crime. Where would he have stayed. According to the 1955 Directory, there was another Barnes who lived about 5 blocks from the crime scene. Even if he was staying there, he would’ve had to have had a connection to the Davis family. The timeline on the crime is just too short (less than 10 minutes). He would’ve had to have known what time she was put to bed, and had to almost be already by the window at that time. I’m not yet ready to name Barnes as the killer, but coming back to Sioux City and living in the same exact home? It sounds like the criminal returning to the scene of the crime.
Well she wrote in her comment that her father was visiting his brother and driving his brother’s car during the time he was in town. Apparently his brother was away serving in the military. And as far as how he knew what room Donna Sue would be in? I would not doubt that he was a Peeping Tom, and was well aware she had a crib in that room.
I know the Barnes 5 blocks from the scene was not a brother. I have read the obit for Charles. Thought he might have been staying there, and borrowed the car of the brother who was away in the Navy. I don’t think this guy was a Peeping Tom. Those kind of people rarely act out. Not sure how much research you have done, but you most certainly have interest. Let me know if you would like to discuss in depth some time. My interest in the case came as a result of growing up about 4 blocks away, and my mom bringing it up from time to time. I have many different theories. A classic “who dun it”, and I would love to see the case solved.
I agree with the comments in the last couple of days. We have been dealing with the comments from Mr. Barnes daughter about his involvement in the kidnapping and murder if the baby. He is from Sioux City, and was visiting family when the baby was taken. He supposedly was using a car belonging to his brother in the Navy. However, we have no information on his brothers car. We also don’t have any registration information on the vehicle mentioned in the known details.
So, all we have to go on is the information provided by his daughter. However, there are some situations where the offender, will return to the scene, or visit the place where the victim is buried. Some of them have even kept an article of clothing from the victim, to keep the memory of the crime.
Many years ago, I was involved in the use of video surveillance for law enforcement. The scenario was to video tape a fictional burial of the victim, with the chance that the offender would show up. We actually travelled to a Catholic Cemetery in the Westrrn suburbs of Chicago. The area for are mock burial was where members if the Capone family were buried. The other interesting part, was that several of his competitors are also buried in the same cemetery.
So, we have more unanswered questions. But, purchasing the home points is suspicious enough to warrant more research to fill in the blanks. But how do we or investigators determine that the car that supposedly belonged to his brother matches the description of the possible vehicle used. Also, why target this baby. He comes home to visit, and supposedly decides to kidnap some baby. How does he know the baby even exists and where she was sleeping. Also, what do we know about his time in Chicago. Where did they live, work, or even why he or the family move from Sioux City. He could have connections to some unsolved cases in the Chicago area.
Barnes was a foreman with the Schwann Bike company in Chicago. If Barnes was in fact questioned by the FBI, and was given a polygraph 3 times as his daughter has stated, then he surely had some connection to the Davis family. The question remains, what was the connection? Something lead them to question him in Chicago. The one thing that completely puzzles me right now is that Jody Ewing has not entered this conversation. This is her Web Site, and she has spent many hours pursuing answers. I personally don’t think Jody believes it was Barnes who did the crime, although she believes she knows who did. My only question for Jody Ewing right now would be to ask if she has interviewed Barne’s daughter.
Ok, you have obviously done significant research on this case. I too am wondering why Jody isn’t involved anymore. I think it’s Barnes. I read his obituary too. It’s the only information I could find on him. Granted, I only think it’s him based on his daughter’s comment and his link to Sioux City.
I think he can be a Peeping Tom AND a pedophile. Maybe he saw the child out with the family and followed them home, then waited to find out where Donna Sue slept? He doesn’t have to have a prior link to the family.
Of course it could be someone else. I too would like to have a conversation with the daughter.
Tenley ….. I hope you continue your interest in this case, and continue to pursue answers. I don’t want to speak for Jody, but I believe her involvement waned once she figured she had it solved. I will continue to investigate until I have an answer that I am comfortable with. Might be next week, next year, or maybe never. In my mind, the case is still unsolved, so I’ll keep digging. Best of luck to you!🍀
Patrick, I really enjoyed speaking with you today on the phone! After our conversation, I’m sure you’ll agree that my interest in the Donna Sue Davis case has never waned. Quite the opposite, in fact. :-)
And I apologize for not actively participating in this conversation over the past several days; things are moving quickly on some other cases and I’ve needed to stay focused.
Barnes was a close relative and was a very sick man. His obit leaves out a long history of him.
AC, please continue with your comment that Barnes was a very sick man. I’m very interested in learning more. Thank you.
I am his granddaughter.
I’d be happy to connect off this forum. I lived with him until his death. I would do anything to help solve this if it was Charles. Also keep in mind, there have been three generations of Charles Barnes that have passed. My grandfather died in 1994.
Apologies, four generations. I forget one that passed before my birth.
AAC, thanks for replying. So what are your thoughts on him perpetrating this crime? The rest of your family? What did/do they think?
Pat is the only one who will speak up on any of the abuse he caused. I think there is great potential he did this. My understanding is he was connected to the house. Idk if he owned it with Jerry or exactly how the two had access. If I remember correctly he lived at this time on the other side of town in Morningside. So there is no connection between him living on w. 6th st. That did not happen until they purchased it in the 80s. No one in the family wants to lay a finger on being involved in something like this. I’m sure there is no surviving DNA after all these years but I wish there was.
I never understood why Charles moved the family so much. Again, I don’t know a ton of history, but I know they bounced around in Sioux City, Chicago, and California all the time. It never made sense. He took in all of the kids from his wife’s sister as fosters. There were too many children to logically uproot them all of the time. Pat is your best lead, she may get worked up, but she’s the only one with guts to say anything of the atrocities of this family. I don’t think Charles would have done anything alone, I think Jerry would have been involved too, but that is just my opinion.
aac, Sorry that I’m just now seeing your reply. Ok…so Barnes is your Grandfather. Wow that’s interesting. Yes, it’s my belief that he did it.
I would like to get my hands on the police files. Thanks so much for always being so responsive here.
it is sad short story .may the eldly one rest in peace without any worries of overcharge of sth else
I was just watching Dr.Oz and seen a story about a beautiful young girl in Ohio Siera that was murderd in 2016 they found the serial killer to me he looks as if he could fit the description of the guy on the tracks with these two little girls that one of the girls filmed. Please take a look at this Doctoroz.crimeHunters. It’s better to say something than nothing at all. Prayers for these families.
The article title says David Leon Redowl Sr, which is correct. The last paragraph says David Leon Redowl Jr. It looks like his son David Leon Redowl Jr was born on May 17, 1994 and died on November 21, 2015. He he had his own son as well who is David Red Owl III.
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Hey Keith, would you be able to give anymore details? I am interested in this case. Thanks.
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I was rereading all the comments posted here especially the one from Jodyin 2016. I have been reading more this child & human trafficking recently. This includes material posted on a blog on NCMEC website. Also, some articles on recent arrests by the FBI of a individual from Indiana.
He was running a non-profit organization for Orphansbin Ukraine. The Dept of Homeland Security, and ICE assisted. They searched him upon his return f rut pm Ukraine and found computer devices with child pornography on them. He also sent a note to his son, that was intercepted, telling him to check above the ceiling of the laundry room, for another computer drive that had more images on them.
The newest thing is Sexploiation. In which young kids are threatened to keep posting sexually explicit images or videos or else. One teenage male victim committed suicide. Another offenders threat forced police in Plainfield, Indiana to shut down schools and stores there.
So, it’s still a problem, and it’s getting worse. So, we need to protect children, by being aware of what they are doing online. More information is available from the FBI and NCEMC. Make sure your local schools are alert of this. At my local Catholic church a FBI Special Agent, and three investigators from the Chicago Police Dept., DC did a program for the students, and then a program for parents. The attendance was small, and I was the only man, with t hff e exception of the church pastor. I don’t have kids.
I am a former detective with the federal government, and try to keep up with what is going on in law enforcement, forensics. One of my duties, was giving crime prevention talks at a VA Hospital. So, I am big on reading and researching. It’s also important, because I have some beautiful great grandkids, that I want to protect. So be on alert and aware.
With all the info the was verified on the Johnny Gosch case, it is hard to believe that more info on Eugene’s case is not made available. Sam Soda actually told Noreen Gosch in June 1984 that another paperboy was going to turn up missing in the 2nd week of August 1984. This was relayed to local and federal authorities who did nothing at all. This info was verified by so many people and documented by the same. After Eugene went missing, it is clear that this was an organized kidnapping that was planned for months. This is no conspiracy theory, just do the research for yourselves and make your own conclusion. I hope they find this poor boy and give some closure to his family.
in regards to the last comment on this case. It could be a number of reasons why they have not done anything. We talk about forensics, however how we preserve evidence compared to the early 1950’s, could be a factor. Is there any useable material for DNA testing, maybe not.
We have the statement from Mr. Barnes daughter, which too me sounds very good, and makes think he most likely did it. However, investigators need to check and see if they can match what she said with the known details. This means checking records to verify that he was from Sioux City. So is their records to back up her claims. Is their DMV records to show that the vehicle he was supposedly registered to a family member. I don’t what the requirements are in regards to records in Ioea. Is there property records that show him buying the building.
So all this has to be put together and then presented to a prosecutor. He or she has to review them and decide yes this meet the standards that they would require to prosecute the case in court if the kidnapping took place recently and not over 60 some years ago.
In regards to records, the federal government has records that are stored in the National Archives. They have regional document centers.
I have verified through Sioux City directories from the early ‘60’s that Charles Barnes did in fact reside at the 715 Isabella address. This seems very suspect to me, and gives credibility to his daughters story. I have researched this horrific case for years, but have no concrete evidence. I would love to sit down and talk with his daughter. Also, I have reached out to Jody Ewing several times via email, but have yet to received a reply. I still believe someone out there knows for certain who did this.
Patrick, I would to hear her story also. The problem is that law enforcement and definitely a prosecutor should be doing the interview. However, it appears that a number of law enforcement agencies don’t to spend the time or money to deal a case this old. Some of them may have replaced or lost the original case file, and may not even have the evidence.
In Chicago, there is the case of the Grimes sisters who disappeared after leaving a Southside movie theater in the 1950,’s. A number if years ago, a retired investigator held a talk in a park near where they lived. A woman came forward that was with them the night they disappeared. She never said anything to anyone about it. Her mother would have killed her. So he referred her to Chicago Police Cold Case detectives. We heard nothing since.
However, we had a wealthy older woman, connected to the Brach Candy company. She disappeared after visiting the Mayo Clinic. A number of years later an informant for an ATF agent called him and gave him a tip that lead to an arrest in the disappearance and murder of three boys The Peterson and Schuesller. That led to an arrest and conviction over 40 years later.
In McLennan County, Texas, they established a Cold Caae Unit, they recently announced that a deceased man, was responsible fir6the kidnapping and murder of a teenager walking home from a party. The victim’s mother came up with motto “Answering the Unanswered Questions”. Some agencies have used the new forensic tools and investigative resources to finally close they cold cases.
Here in Chicago they have not spent the resources to determine who killed a number of women of color, who were found deceased. Most of the victims appear to have been working the street to support a drug habit. They were waiting on DNA to identify a suspect. But, there are other things they could be doing.
The FBI has a program called VICAP. It’s a computerized program to analyze unsolved violent crimes. However, its optional to agencies to enter their cases. It will look at certain information and see that an unsolved violent crime committed in Las Vegas, might be connected to a similar violent crime in Miami, Florida. However, I have heard it’s a very hard program to use especially entering data.
In Canada, the RCMP has a similar program. However, every law enforcement agency is required to enter their cases. So, there is a lot of issues in solving some of these cold cases. Many of them financial and others are political. We have the example of media reporting on missing people, especially for white people, but less attention to persons of color. I don’t understand that at all. Yet, the major media will rant about racism, and ignore this serious issue of their racism, and alerting their viewers.
Patrick,
You stated in your message above that you had “researched this horrific case for years,” and alleged you’d “reached out to [me] several times via email” but had yet to receive a reply. I don’t know where you sent these alleged emails about Donna Sue Davis, but I can say with 100% certainty you did not send them to me.
I have kept every single email I’ve sent or received concerning any Iowa cold case since 2004, and, aside from the recent comments you’ve publicly made here on Donna Sue’s case summary page (and one public comment left on this page on Feb. 25, 2015), you have never contacted me personally about her case. Your last email to me was dated Jan. 13, 2020, and concerned the death of a young woman found murdered in Downers Grove, Illinois, in the 1970s. Prior to that, you’d sent an email Jan. 6, 2020, re the death of the man who raped and strangled 11-year-old Julie Fuller in Fort Worth, TX. No references were made to Donna Sue in either of those emails.
If you have copies of the emails you say you sent to me (I’m assuming you save yours, too), I would ask that you please resend to me because, for whatever reason, I did not receive them.
As far as you having researched this case for years, may I ask: Have you spoken with Capt. Lisa Claeys at the Sioux City Police Dept.? Or the chief of police, Rex Mueller? Have you spoken with former police chief Joe Frisbie? Any of the other past/present investigators with the SCPD’s investigative division? Anyone who has done so would know why they can’t just release the name of the (now deceased) primary suspect (nor can I). It would be entirely different if they were able to clear/close the case by exceptional means. Were that to happen, the SCPD would then be able to publicly identify the perpetrator.
I’m aware of your experience working as a detective for the Veteran’s Administration where you investigated incidents of patients’ missing personal property or government property (and sometimes when a patient would leave the facility and be reported as missing), and you’ve also told readers multiple times (through comments on other victims’ pages) that you served with the Coast Guard Reserve during Desert Shield/Storm in the Persian Gulf and on a US Navy attack submarine during the Cold War and Vietnam era, and for that, I sincerely thank you for your service. I also think you would have made a helluva good homicide detective had you chosen that route.
There will always be more questions than answers in any murder case (solved or unsolved), but right now, I’m hoping you can find those emails you said you sent and forward them to me with the header info intact that would verify the times and dates sent. You do have my correct email address b/c I did receive those two from January (on the out-of-state cases) and had responded Jan. 12. All best, Jody @ ICC
Hi Jody …. There is no intent on my part to get off on the wrong foot here. I think you have me confused with someone else for some of the post. The only emails I have ever sent to you were concerning the Davis case. There were no others. Perhaps you have me mixed up with Mr. Kerrigan, whose first name is also Patrick. I did not serve in the Coast Guard, but rather the Marine Corps back in the early ‘70’s. I did send 2 or 3 emails regarding the Davis case, and if I can find them I will resend. If I remember correctly, I was only asking if I could sit down with you some time to discuss the case. I tried recently to get in touch with Lisa, but she is out on an extended leave. She was the only officer I wanted to speak with as I knew she had followed the case so closely. I apologize if there was a misunderstanding, and I would look forward to meeting you if you would choose to do so. I live in Dakota Dunes, SD, so not that far away from you. I realize at the present time, no one really wants to meet anyone due to the virus. I for one really appreciate what you do, as well as your website. My most sincere regards …. Patrick Enright
Yes, I did indeed mix up the comments between you and the other Patrick. The career and military background I provided was for Patrick Kerrigan. At any rate, there are no hard feelings whatsoever and I fully support and encourage the ongoing conversation here! Many thanks to all of you!
I have not sent a bunch of emails on this case. I have been commenting on what the other Patrick and others have made in regards to this case. My comments are more in line if suggesting possible reasons why they may not be able to act on the information provided by Mr. Barnes daughter.
I would be interested in the time frame that Mr. Barnes and family lived in Chicago. Also, where they lived. We had a couple of cases of young boys, the Peterson and Schuesler that were found murdered in a Cook County Forest Preserve. Over 40 years later an arrest was made, and the alleged offender was convicted. However, we also the Grimes sisters from December 28, 1956, who disappeared after seeing a Elvis movie. They were found dead, in a ditch along a road in suburban DuPage County.
I would think that investigators would love to be able to close this case. However, can they independently verify the information provided by Mr. Barnes daughter. This is important, when they decide to provide it to a prosecutor. Are their any DMV records stored somewhere that would show that his brother had a car, that matches the vehicle described.
Also for the other Patrick. I also served in the U.S. Navy, Navy Reserve, Army Reserve, prior to the Coast Guard Reserve. I want thank him for his service in the U.S.M.C.
I think it’s all good now Patrick. Jody just got confused seeing 2 Patrick’s posting, and thinking it was one, and we both got lumped together. No big deal. Thank you for your service as well.👍
That’s the problem, we look alike and use the 1st name. Also, some commentors sort of seem to think that it is Jody’s job is to take some of are comments, assumptions on these cases and go to the investigative agency and pass along what we think is the bad guy or gal.
One of the things about Mr. Barnes, that threw me for a loop, was a genealogy website indicated that he had two brothers, both now deceased. Well, I found an obituary for his mother in the Sioux City newspaper. It mentions she was survived by five sons and one daughter. The two known brothers Jerry and Darrell Barnes, were born in 1941 and 1943 respectively making them too young to have been in the Navy, when Donna was abducted and murdered.
What, I would like to know is where he lived in Chicago. However, he was back in Sioux City, by the time his mother died in February 1983. I was looking at a couple of other unsolved disappearances and murders in Chicago, in the 1950’s and 1960’s. I found that the Schwinn Factory was located on the 1700 block of North Kildare. This is on the near northwest side of the city. Also, when did they move to Chicago.
The other question is what supposedly led to him to start molesting children. I don’t know if it is learned behavior.
I’m not a psychiatrist, but as far as everything I’ve read over time, pedophiles just are what they are. Some of the other questions regarding Barnes could most likely be answered by his daughter. You should be able to access Chicago directories through the Chicago library system. I believe the family moved back to Sioux City around 1962.
Patrick, the libraries are closed down. I am used to digging through various databases in my south suburban community. They have some interesting databases to play with. My only problem is they got rid of some I used. But, they had no way to track if they were being used, or advertising that they had these various databases. I stumbled upon a link to a Chicago Genealogy Group, from there was a link to various stories on the Chicago Mob, during Capone’s time. One article was about a coroner’s panel investigating the Valentines Day Massacre. It went to show that a couple of wealthy businessmen spent money to bring in a Dr. Goddard, to review the crime scene. He determined that two Thompson machines guns, one with a straight 20 round magazine and a 50 round drum magazine were used. This Dr. Goddard is sort of considered the Father of Ballistics. He established a crime lab and conducted training in Chicago. One of his attendees came from the FBI and he pushed J Edgar Hoover to establish their crime lab.
Hello, I am not sure if any of you still frequent this website, but I have recently been researching this case using the information from this forum/website. After scouring old newspapers, directories, etc. I do have a handful of people, but nowhere near enough information. Concerning Mr. Barnes: He indeed did live at the residence in the early 60’s. He was not however, the owner. I went through the old deed records of the property, and the Davis family purchased the duplex in 1951. After the 1955 incident, newspapers show the were attempting to sell immediately, but were not able to close until 1961, which it was then sold to Mr. Davenport (real estate mogul from the area) who I am assuming rented to Mr. Barnes. So, immediately after the Davis family sold the property, Mr. Barnes moves in. There is an add attempting to sell a Pontiac 2 door Sedan, with this address listed as the location, during the time he was living there. There is more I have but I want to see who is still out there researching.
I am still reading here! If you are still around, please comment your information, I am interested!
The evidence so far is circumstantial. However, we would need more physical evidence. Prosecutors today have to deal with the CSI affect. So jurors would be looking for DNA, and fingerprints, etc, at least.
I think that he moved into the residence where the victim lived kind of shows an extreme example of returning to the scene of the crime. Plus if there are DMV records showing that his brother had a car that matched the description of the vehicle used, and if the license plates matched.
Plus the family is from the area. I don’t know if any photographs were taken of the remains and where she was found were taken. I would like to have the material reviewed by criminal profiles to give investigators a profile of the offender.
The other thing that bothers me in regards to cold cases, is that we victims that have an undetermined cause of death. These cases should be reviewed by well respected pathologists who determine a cause of death from the original autopsy or recommend that the remains be exhumed for a physical examination by pathologist and a forensic anthropologist.
Jody, Could you please state the reason the name cannot be
released? The wording is a bit off, I understand you will not
release a name, but perhaps tell us why? Thank you.
This case came to my attention as I was reading about Corrine Perry’s and Colleen Simpson’s cases. It is appalling to me that Robert A Rolfe, past Union County Attorney and attorney in Lamoni, Iowa, has an active law license, but it appears he has failed to come forth on this case. In addition, it appears that Jule A Sturzenegger Loy Gray continues to reside in the Des Moines/Ankeny area. Apparently Imogene Loy Ransier Kelly passed away November 2018? Was an obituary every found for her? Is this case being actively worked by the DCI or a cold case unit? It has been 5 years since the 2015 push on this case, the parties to the case are entering their elderly years with two being deceased, and it has been 47 years since Ms. Konecne was allegedly murdered. What can be done to push this case forward so that the truth can be brought to light? Ms. Konecne’s parents and brother are deceased but she has nieces and nephews that deserve the truth as to her demise. Thank you.
Ok, so a commenter tells us a suspect, then that suspects daughter comments that yes, she believes her father Charles K. Barnes did indeed do this horrific crime. My question is why hasn’t Jody come back to verify or deny? She knows who it is. The police know who it is, or have a very strong case. Reading the daughters comment, I believe her.
I’m still on the case. -Adam Kimball 2
I’m very sorry for you loss. She seemed like a great young lady with a bright future.
If you feel comfortable answering, do you have any reason to believe this was anything beyond a tragic accident?
And you better never give up either. If you want to reach out, send me an email sammykeyes23@gmail.com. I’m a death investigator.
Lybarger was living with his mother in Council Bluffs in 1985/1986 time frame. Some family members still believe he’s guilty of the crime.
as does all of my FAMILY!
Do you have any updates on him?
I have one. After I watched a YouTube video about someone going inside an abandoned party house, I looked at the calendar in the house that said March 1999, with the day 16 circled. So, I believe he might have planned to leave that day if he lived in that house/location.
Thank you for the update!
Today is Erin’s 34th birthday. I’m another person who knew Curtis Padgett from school and I don’t really have anything good to say about him. I don’t really remember seeing him around in high school so I think he dropped out or transferred to Metro High School. He wasn’t a good student. I’m not saying he did anything to Erin, but I wouldn’t trust his story.
It’s been a year, but I’ve talked to some friends that also know Curtis from school and they backed up what another comment on this page said about him being homeless. The last time Curtis was a blip on anyone’s radar was in 2019 when he received a public intoxication charge in Linn County and he still owes $147.75 for it according to court records.
Kimber, I have lived in Chicago and now in one of the suburbs. I never heard of her case. At the time she disappeared I was in the U.S. Navy home ported in Connecticut. I have researched missing persons on the Chicago Tribune archives, but don’t remember seeing her name.
If it is her dumping her body in the Mississippi River, is along way from Chicagi. Also, I wonder what was going on at Harlan High School, in July 1973. I would assume that the schools were closed for summer vacation. Also, she would have been still in grammar school at 12 years old.
The other problem is that missing kids at that time normally did not get a lot of attention. However, certain street gangs were prevalent at the time. However, they did not get a lot of attention in the media, until a number of years later.
HINRICHS/LEONARD CASES Same guy Both bars late at night Less than a mile apart Less than 10 months apart Both robbery/homicide I think guy was patron at both bars Maybe somebody knows these questions 1 Why does he shoot LEONARD but not the witness he confronts 2 no witness composite sketch 3 Why does HINRICHS mother think she knew her killer ?
“Some of the older deputies who were around then said maybe somebody out of Chicago or Milwaukee had a pregnant girlfriend and got rid of her. We might never know,”
That just rubs me the wrong way. It’s still kind of the same situation in Eastern Iowa. If a crime happens and someone black is involved, the authorities just assume it’s Chicago related. It’s not just the authorities, a lot of the public thinks that too.
That being said, Kimber’s mention of Shirley Magee is still very interesting.
I believe the female was Shirley Magee from Chicago, IL. I do not know if the authorities ruled her out but she matches, height, weight description, and although decomp made age difficult, she does does fall within the range given by the examiner. She went missing in 1973, but in the 70’s it wouldn’t have been hard to leave a possible bad environment with a guy that showed interest in a young lady.
I’m a medium. I get a lot of clairaudient messages. I don’t know Jesse. For some reason I keep getting the message that the answer is in his phone and that he was there to meet someone he was talking to on an app., a woman I think. She was not there for what he thought she was and someone else took him out of the truck. This is just the message that I’m getting. I felt a strong need to share it with you. I hope this does not offend anyone. I hope that he is found safe.
You’re a fraud is what you are.
I did not ask for anything. I just shared the information. If I was a fraud I would have been asking for something in return, I’m not. All I was doing is trying to help. I’m from Iowa and I feel bad for any parent that goes through this.
You’re right the answer is in his phone. Which is dad has his original phone and he give the cops his old phone which was his dad cell phone. Jesse won’t be found until his dad decides have m to be found.
have you shared this with police?
If someone took him out wouldnt there be signs of struggle? he is over 6ft and 185lbs
Andrea, thanks for the information. It then begs the question of his ethnic background. Also, might that led to his disappearance.
Patrick and andreadole2, I have updated what other little information I could find for this missing person. The Iowa Department of Public Safety’s “Missing Person Information Clearinghouse” page lists the basic known facts about each individual’s disappearance, and slightly more information is shared with NamUs.gov for the listing on that respective website.
Here at the Iowa Cold Cases website (an Iowa nonprofit organization), our goal is to provide names of homicide victims whose cases have not yet been solved, as well as provide information about persons who went missing under suspicious or mysterious circumstances. The data we provide in each case summary is based on a number of factors, including that which law enforcement agencies have chosen to make public, information shared with us by victims’ family members via emails or phone conversations, and any other additional details we find through published news stories and/or news archives.
We find comments like those from andreadole2 quite helpful, and are appreciative that they took the time to help us add to the person’s story. We want our readers to get to know the person behind the name because people care about those with whom they can identify. It’s a fluid process and it takes time. Information comes from unexpected places at unexpected times, and it’s far more productive when it focuses on the victim’s background and/or the reader’s knowledge or shared experiences with them.
So often, we’re asked questions we can’t possibly answer. There is often a reason investigators “must” hold specific and/or critical details close to the vest; seasoned detectives fully understand this concept and how it might compromise an ongoing investigation. Other times, they simply don’t know b/c witnesses fear retaliation if they speak out. It’s an unfortunate but ongoing conundrum.
We do the best we can with whatever information is provided to us, and we never purposely write case summaries to include as little info as possible.
Jody at ICC
Also, his real name is Adexe, not Jesse. https://vk.com/id377714630
He Guatemalan?
Those creepy childhood pictures are disturbing.
I agree, Moon, the child photos are extremely disturbing. Not just that, but also disturbing are the photos of Adexe (Jesse) pulling his shorts to the side, just not quite exposing himself.
The police and state don’t take good notes and seem to be unable to reason. This man’s surname is Nimaja Pol, not Nimagajapol.
Steven, I agree that matchbook might have been connected to a business in Ohio. I would think that if his remains had been found closer to Interstate 80, then maybe I might agree that he was heading towards California. But, he was way north of 80, unless he liked taking a round about to California.
I wonder if something else not released might have led them to assume he was headed to California.
what business in ohio, it does not state, he looks alot like Leon Moncer to me and he looks like this clay model
Agree 100%
Mike, it appears that maybe some piece of clothing or maybe the matchbook, could have provided them to assume that he might be headed to California from Ohio
The use of the term may, to means they assumed something
Since, we don’t have the case report to see what gave them the idea he was headed to California.
I might agree with the assumption, if he was found close to or near Interstate 80. He was off the beaten track. What bugs me that he appears not to have been reported missing. But then I was thinking about “The Buckskin Girl, that was found in Ohio, a number of years ago. She was finally identified through DNA Genealogy. Her mother never reported her missing.
However, I was a police officer and detective, we would use the term, appears, especially describing an item. I worked on a number of reports in a VA hospital involving missing patient’s property. A patient would say they had a gold watch. I would check the inventory sheets from his E.R. admission and what the nurses wrote up on a form, when the patient got to the ward. It used to bug me that the nurses would use the words gold or whatever color watch or ring it was.
That was one of my pet peeves. I had more issues on how they handled patient property when the patient went to surgery or was transferred to another unit. I was big on digging through medical records looking for answers to the questions I had.
I have a few stories from two different VA hospitals that I worked at.
I contacted the police about someone that I believe to be missing and they only called the person. I believe she is being held against her will and the people holding her has her phone what should I do now
Call in a welfare check- I believe the usual is for them to physically check on the person. Wouldn’t hurt.
I know this sounds awful, but if the baby was sleeping in the room with the mom… she saw the fire started there, she left the baby and alerted the others…
At 15 days, she’s probably feeling the baby blues or early onset of post-partum depression. I would look into her.
April 2, 2020. A local restaurant owner was arrested on sex abuse charges Wednesday.
Hershal James “Jim” Ratliff, 69, of Council Bluffs, is charged with four counts of sexual abuse in the third degree, one count of lascivious acts with a minor, one count of soliciting commercial sexual activity and one count indecent exposure, according to a press release from the Council Bluffs Police Department.
Ratliff is the owner of Jimmy’s All-American Malt Shop & Grill in Council Bluffs.
https://www.nonpareilonline.com/news/crime/local-restaurant-owner-arrested-on-sex-abuse-charges/article_a50b3fba-74ef-11ea-839f-ef097e50fae6.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=user-share
i dont know ho that is he is of no relation to our family
I really think you should submit Kimberly’s case to the new Unsolved Mysteries show that has been blowing up on Netflix. Here is the link https://unsolved.com/submit-stories/
It’s almost April 2020 and no leads; no arrests; no justice; no nothing!
I remember hearing about this and thinking it must have been someone out of state. I couldn’t remember any other robberies / home invasions / murders that happened before or after this incident. The person or persons who done it had to be watching them for a while. I bet he even made, at least, 1 visit to the home to scope it out. I don’t know, but now it’s been 8-9 years later — does the DCI have any better possibilities?
I remember the video of the guy getting out of the stolen truck in Kansas City. Ok, did they check for ANY DNA? Did they find anything?? This makes me think there was more than 1 person involved. How did the guy get to their house? If they met at this Stuart Auction – any close surveillance cameras? Showing video of Bill & Kay’s vehicle with the same vehicle (suspicious) behind them?
It’s just so hard for me to believe that the DCI has no leads or any new news in the past several years.
I feel sorry for that family. I can’t even imagine. I hope the DCI is speaking with them every once in a while — even just to say they have no new leads; does anyone have anything new to share that they remember; or simply how are you guys doing? Would be a nice gesture that they care and are still actively pursuing this case.
I hope to turn on the news one day, and this mystery is found to be solved.
I am sure this case is listed everywhere – but I am going to make sure it’s listed everywhere! My goodness…The DCI….. **SIGH**
Tornado_Jay_Tee07 or JAKE
Just saw 48 hours and the case of Isreal Reyes. Someone like this would explain why there have been no leads. This murderer committed suicide before they could identify all the people he killed. He had no pattern.
I took another look at the disappearance of Mr. Doerring. I mentions that he was depressed over the death of his son Peter. It did not mention how depressed he was. It made me think of another missing person case out of New Jersey from sometime in 1994.
A Renee LaManna, 35, fled from her sisters place in Ocean City. It appears she had a serious mental health breakdown, that her sister called ‘Dissociative Fugue Disorder’. As usual my reaction was the heck is that. It’s a sub type of amnesia, where a person under severe depression, PTSD, marital discord, or a death in the family may trigger this condition.
It appears that this condition causes the person to completely forget, their personal history, to include name, age, and other identifying information and flee the source of pain of sorts. Some of people have many miles away from their home. The first documented case in the U.S. was an Ansel Bourne in 1880,’s. The last name Bourne my seem familiar from some books and movies. They quite often assume a new name.
The condition is considered rare, but some medical research papers written seem to believe there are more cases then they are aware of. There are two individuals I came across where the missing person has had two or more episodes of this condition. One of them was a Hannah Upp.
A journalist from Tacoma, Washington disappeared a number of years ago. She was found in a shopping mall in Aurora, Colorado, confused and disoriented. She was admitted for treatment and was discharged using a new name. She took some college classes, and then moved to Alaska. She got married to a fisherman, and had two kids.
About 12 years after she disappeared the Tacoma, classified her disappearance as a Homicide. When, the story appeared on the news, someone in As Alaska suggested that tut ge Tacoma Police check out this woman. Well, they went to Alaska, and took pictures and confirmed it was her. They should the pictures to her parents. They asked who the guy and the kids were. They now had a son-in-law, and two grandkids. They came to a family reunion and she did not recognize her family.
I have wondered if one of the experts in this could develop a profile of some of these missing persons might have developed this condition. I have come across a few cases where people, with some recent deaths in the family, or there are reports that the missing person was acting strangely or made bizarre comments on social media, might have developed this condition.
I commented previously, that there was no mention of any property in his vehicle. I would assume that his residence was checked. But, it’s not mentioned in was is available.
P.S. I am not an expert on this condition, but have come across some interesting articles especially one on Hannah Upp. The last time she disappeared on a Caribbean Island, she has not been found.
Mike, your comments are spot on, in regards to the DNA. However, the cost is a factor. I would assume that they would get a court order to exhume the remains. Then if approved the cost to dig him up and take the necessary samples.
The other thing is that they could have sent the remains to the FBI lab in Washington. Where they would be logged in to their evidence system. Then they would taken across the street to the Smithsonian Institute of Natural History. There a forensic anthropologist would do a sort of autopsy, and possibly make some determinations.
I came across an excellent book from 1992, about this by one of their people who trsined6under the guy who established the Body Farm. They have been doing this since the1930,s.
However, it goes back to the financial costs.
Unless the Iowa State Medical Examiner took DNA at the autopsy, there is no way to identify this person. Per the funeral home, the body was cremated and the remains were returned to Decorah for burial. The county provided a lot for the ashes, the funeral home placed a temporary marker: “Unknown” for the name, and “XXX-1986”. The autopsy determined he had been dead about a year when he was discovered, but since he was discovered in 1986 they used that date.
Almost 35 years since this man’s estimated date of death. I wonder if there is any DNA available from his remains that could be added to a genealogy database just to see if there are any hits.
I’ve always wondered what evidence there was that indicated to investigators that he may have been traveling from Ohio to California. How could that hurt the investigation if their reason was made public? Winneshiek county is pretty far from any major interstates where one would have attempted to hitchhike from if they were traveling across the country. Between hay bales would have been a good place to hide or sort of have shelter during the cold. I wish there was an address or GPS coordinates of the area where he was found. I’m wonder how far way from a highway he was. There are only a handful of highways in that county. Looking at weather in that area in April of 1985 I can see there were a number of days where it would have been below freezing. He may have succumbed to the elements.
The pole barn he was found in is still on the farm. It is less than 100 yards off the west side of the Locust Road (W38), approximately 13 miles north of Decorah. On a related note, while doing family research photography in the Freeport Cemetery just outside Decorah today, I came across his grave. It has no marker other than the place keeper provided by the funeral home.
He was found between hay bales inside a barn? I just always assumed he was found between hay bales left outside. You commonly see hay bales lined up on properties or on the edge of fields. Again, it’s just so out of the way for anyone bumming or hitchhiking to across the country. There also doesn’t seem to be any rails really in the area. That kind of rules out the common situation where it was someone who was riding the rails and decided to get off in that area to get supplies. I think many years ago when Iowa had a dedicated page for the unidentified they have more pictures available for this man. I think he had an old-school shaving kit and maybe the matchbook was what gave them the Ohio clue.
It was an open pole barn, not a traditional enclosed 4 sided barn. Think of a really large carport, with round bales instead of vehicles.
This link is to a civil complaint (lawsuit pleadings) filed by her former husband.
Fascinating read and gives some idea of who his cronies were and waht they were capable of. https://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/iowa/iasdce/4:2006cv00574/32469/1
Pretty bad when church people beat you up.
Kimberly is my cousin and her mother and the rest of the family think about her every day we have thought of and tried so me different theories of wat could have happened to her so if u people have any suggestions we r open to hear them
Hello I saw ur post do u have anymore info about the disappearance and do u have any way to contact u
I’ve read she was 13 and also 16, what age was she and is the family even sure she made it to Davenport, IA? Has the family contacted the greyhound company and got a list of cities it would have stopped at to compare Jane Does in those towns/cities? I’ve taken a bus ride from Davenport, IA to New Mexico and back and had 6 scheduled stops one way and 4 stops on my return, some up to a few hours long where we ventured the cities while we waited to board the next bus. Also a few unplanned breakdowns and bus exchanges along the way in the middle of nowhere. Some are saying they are not even sure she made it Davenport or even reached the state of Iowa. Was she dropped off at the station in Texas and physically seen boarding? In the 80’s these cases were handled so differently than in today’s world but I feel like her story is missing so much information for the public as a whole that would be beneficial. Absolutely no hard details and a few discrepancies I’ve came across! My deepest sympathies to her family and I hope for answers and healing! Any details rather than the short few would be great to help bring her home and possibly to rest!
Jess, thanks for your comments and questions. The lack of details bothers me. We have a couple cases that law enforcement don’t provide a lot of details.
Yet, they ask the public for their help. How, can we help, if they don’t give us details. In some cases we know that a specific caliber firearm was used to murder someone. In other cases, it is not mentioned to protect the investigation.
This is still the story even in unsolved Cases going back over 40 or more years. Also, we have Cases where the investigative files are missing, were destroyed. Here in the Chucago area, a high school student was murdered during a gas station robbery back in the early 1970’s. The original case file no longer exists, so whatever was done by the police or whatever evidence may have been recovered is gone.
Has Kimberly ever been compared to to female body found in Blairstown, Warren County, NJ in August of 1982 known as “Princes Doe”. I have been saying this for years. Too many similarities to not investigate. Princes Doe’s composite drawing to Kimberly’s photos are very close. Dates of Kimberly being missing are not clear and how long she was with her father. What is the true date she was reported missing?
Hi John P. Laird. As I’m sure you know but I want to post to clarify. the body found in Blairstown from 1982 has been identified as 17 yr. old Dawn Olanick from Long Island, NY.
She was 14
Is she the Walker County Jane Doe?
https://www.facebook.com/kimberly.d.wright.37
Is this her?
https://www.facebook.com/linda.doss.56/photos
That’s kinda odd that lady does resemble her mom more then a little and also her moms name is Linda also
I think its all bullshit if someone dies they died for a good reason. some people are lucky to die when they can to get out of the shitty place call life.
The police probably know to a certainty who committed the homicide of Tom Mathers but they don’t have the proof to take to the prosecutor they’re probably afraid it’ll get thrown out on a technicality or aquitted by a jury. The police like everyone else probably to a certainty don’t believe her story but like I said don’t have the proof and Hope they solve it someday.
I hope just commenting, here or anywhere, can trigger a new look. Stabbing sounds too personal to be just a robber. Mary was still a student. I think her husband was working at a UPS shipping center but part time. 24xx University is generally low cost housing for students. I don’t think I buy the robber hypothesis. I don’t think they had much to steal. What tool was used to cut the line? Why bother to cut it? Was it a line outside the house and the perpetrator wanted to prevent her from calling for help? Was the line inside the house and the perpetrator had some other purpose? If robbery was suspected were any things taken? If not was the perpetrator scared off? Then why take the time to cut the line? If something was taken what steps were taken to find or recover items? In a complex of so many duplexes was no one home who might have seen or heard someone or something? A lot of questions were asked about possible extra marital relationships on Mary’s part. Were those thoroughly explored? I heard the husband’s alibi checked out. But did he have some untoward relationship that led to a jealous girlfriend? If I can think up these kinds of questions can the police assure us they have chased down all the answers?
If I saw the evidence I am sure I could think up a hundred more questions some of which may not be answered yet. I’d like to keep this going.
JP, I agree with your comments. I have come across cold cases, that were solved many years later, because fresh eyes came names of people who were never interviewed or something not followed up on. In the last couple of months, a recent newpaper aticle about the kidnapping of Teekah Lewis from a bowling alley in the State of Washington. A new detective came across two different witnesses, one who ran into the guy, who took Teekah, while.beading for the washroom. The.second saw the same a few nights later, when they recreated the situation, to.generate some leads.
Two different witnesses both described a M/W, with a pock marked face. Also, there is description of the vehicle he used. It appears that some of this information may not have been released to the public to identify the kidnapper. Here, it is twenty some years later that the authorities dropped the ball.
Such a tragedy the murderer couldn’t be brought to justice. There HAS to be someone who knows something, and for some reason didn’t want to get involved. Who knows.
I live in the same hometown where she was from. I dated her for 2 and a half years in high school. Her father was a local surgeon. Mary went to college in Missouri, and her family moved to the Peoria IL area shortly thereafter.
My parents informed me of the tragic news. I was away at college at the time. The last time I saw or had any contact with her was when she came home for break from college, and I was still a senior in high school in the fall of 1969.
She was a sweet, outgoing girl. Such a sad situation. I have fond memories of her, and the house where she used to live still stands here in Flora, IL. I pass by it frequently…..a lot of memories of the carefree wonderful times of youth.
Hopefully, someone will be held accountable in this life for this horrific crime.
back then face book had a app to track friends . did he share this app with friends family ?
Nah I doubt that I didn’t even know that was a thing so I doubt he did
Hey. I’m Alice’s great-niece. This was my Grandmas best friend and the case was never closed. I believe she deserves some sort of justice. Whether if we can bury her or not. We got the day she went missing out on her headstone some amount of years ago. I want to see my grandmother have some type of closure over her sister. Who can help me??
Mallory, I am also a niece, unfortunately Lee Andre was my uncle. I can attest to the following facts;
Alice was an intelligent, loving, creative mother who wanted nothing more than to be a great mother and wife. She WAS A GREAT Mother, she refused to have the April, Crystal, or Erich institutionalized. The only way she would have left her children would have been through nefarious means. Lee did try to get custody but only to further torment Alice. He was emotionally, verbally, and physically abusive to Alice, (as well as his subsequent wives) and the family rumors/whispers were that he beat Alice while she was pregnant because he didn’t want children. He was delusional at best, but flat out lied about former military service, honors, etc. Lee Andre was an active member of the Minutemen Militia, to the point of extremism. (He terrified me as a child.) The family rumor is this: he killed her and dumped her in one of the caves on his former property in Clarke County, Iowa. I beg someone to receive permission to get on that land and search those caves. In my heart I feel he did it. He did it because she left him. The general consensus from family members involved in law enforcement was that Lee H Andre was south solely responsible for Aunt Alice’s disappearance and ultimate death. THERE IS NO WAY SHE WOULD HAVE EVER LEFT HER CHILDREN UNLESS SHE WAS DEAD.
Hi Kailei,
I am producing a cold case series for the local news in the hopes of shaking something loose on some of these cases.
Please email/call/text me if you’re interested in having this case covered.
-Katie Kaplan, WHO-13
Anchor/Reporter
(515)519-5090
katie.kaplan@whotv.com
Hi Mallory,
I am producing a cold case series for the local news in the hopes of shaking something loose on some of these cases.
Please email/call/text me if you’re interested in having this case covered.
-Katie Kaplan, WHO-13
Anchor/Reporter
(515)519-5090
katie.kaplan@whotv.com
Please take notice of the following Facebook post. They look so similar.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2221320608089754&id=1692354790986341&sfnsn=mo
There is a resemblance however Kimberly Doss was alive and last seen approximately two years (per info above) after the poor girl was found in Texas that you linked.
Nice thought though (being sincere).
The Jane Doe, was found in 1980. Kimberly disappeared in September 1982. Thanks for your research. The problem I have is the lack of details on many of these cases. What do we know about her family situation.
Our family is very close and look out for one another and the lack of info and how some is wrong is because careless investigation..her mother has been looking for yrs and unless they don’t check her mom and dad gave DNA so if she has been found u would think they would figure it out
There are discrepancies with the date she actually disappeared. She is reported to have been missing as early as March 24, 1980, by family members. The 1980’s were a different time and missing children cases were handled far differently than they are today. Her mother lived in Texas at the time and her father in Davenport. I don’t think the Walker County Doe can be ruled out so easily. There is a possibility and without a DNA comparison to the family members to say one way or the other, it’s important she be considered
The questions was weather the bonds were ever cashed. Also, who knew about the bonds? Maybe her ex-husband, his or her attorney. Maybe even family members. The other question is weather the Postal Inspectors were ever involved in her case. They could have provided extra help in the investigation. They have been involved in the disappearance of a mail carrier here in Chicago, along with the Chicago Police Department.
The bonds were bearer bonds and were transferred two months after she was found none of the family was involved in her death including her ex
Mary, I noticed that the bonds were missing from a safety deposit box. So, there should have been records of who was authorized to enter the box at the bank. I would assume the bank, required whoever’s removed them would possess the keys and have to register in a logbook of sorts.
Also, who knew about these bonds. It would be a motive for her murder. I would assume there were serial numbers. Also, where were they purchased.
Patric I agree. I think the ex-husband or close family members ( minus her children should have been investigated. A recent divorce and 25,000 in savings bounds is enough motive. That kind of money in1977 is close to a 150,000 today.
Please contact me. I am Dennis’s cousin. Betty and Harlon were my great Aunt and Uncle.
The story about how Reed killed him, where did that come from? Why was Reed not convicted?
Thinking of you today sweet boy praying for justice
Still missing you, always missing you.
Article said mental and physical disabilities. Specifically what were his disabilities. Would he have been capable of planning his own disappearance?
Agree 100@
This isn’t a cold case any longer. A year to two years after his disappearance, a farmer’s dog brought a bone home. The farmer thought it looked human and called the Winnebago county sheriff. The sheriff had the bone examined and it turned out to be human. The sheriff’s deputies followed the farmer’s dog, that lead them to a skeleton along part of the Winnebago River bank. Dental remains came back as the missing man Brian Blachut
My mfn dawg aww man cuzzz this shit just made me cry man Rest Up 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
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its so sad that his son was on the crew that answered the call to the river that day. i could not imagine the feelings or thoughts going thru his sons head when he realized it was his dad.RIP Kevin
Before you post you should know your facts !
Yes it is a great loss .
Never believe what you hear . As i know the family rather well and I believe if you know them you wouldn’t say things like this on social media.
The articles regarding her fraudulent criminal activity linked below certainly lends credence to your claim that widow Mary was morally compromised and may have been involved Jennifer.
As his son, I can tell you not only are you so off base with your comments,you should be ashamed of yourself. Your insensitive, baseless comment that is only meant to take a cheap shot behind your little computer screen. Glad that when my children, who never got to meet there grandfather look this up some day they can see how horrible and nasty internet trolls are.
Daniel,
I am so sorry you lost your father and also sorry that years later you are exposed to reading about his passing and what other’s suspect happened. From an outsider’s perspective, it is always “interesting” to consider all the angles of a story, however, I think we often forget that there are many loved ones who are still impacted and feel the hurt of the loss. I wish you peace and love and hope your father’s case will be solved. From what I read, he sounds like an amazing man who was a positive light in this world. Take care.
As his grandchild, who was robbed of ever getting to meeting her grandfather, your comment is absolutely disgusting. As a now ER nurse, who deals with grieving families, grief is experienced in different ways. No one can define how you grief. Your poorly written, grammatically incorrect comment, is one of the first things me and my siblings get to see when we try and remember our grandfather by visiting this page. I hope you feel ashamed of yourself and your disturbing comment, that my 14 year old brother showed me. I saw this comment years ago, and hoped and prayed my siblings would never have to see what uneducated people think of our family. Clearly that day has finally came, so here I am finally responding, and saying what I should have years ago. Think before you type, and take a grammar class.
Sincerely, Chloe Morse
I lived on the next street over she was always sun bathing and her little brother would play outside:/. I was very young about 10 years old:(
GUILTY!!! – of premeditated murder in the first degree. Mandatory life in prison without the possibility of parole. Held without bond until formal sentencing in 6 weeks. He’ll never see the light of day again.
Jury was out only 3-4 hours.
I’m happy her family finally has closure. His attack appears to have been random, or at least he had a type. With his mention of Jodi Huisentruit during questioning I think it would be worth it for Jodi’s investigators to look into Jerry Burns a little. Did he own a white van in 1995? Did his work ever take him to Mason City? Manchester where he lived is only a 2 hour drive to Mason City where Jodi was abducted. Jodi did work for KGAN prior to moving to Mason City and that station has Manchester in it’s viewing area. Just something to think about.
Agreed, definitely worth looking into. I think he mentioned her twice – initial interview and in the transport video but I may not be remembering that correctly.
I too am very happy for her sister especially, the only of the immediate family left.
At the risk of being totally obnoxious posting about this trial; the prosecution rested this morning. The defense offered the customary request to acquit / dismiss the case based on the prosecution did not prove their case. The judge of course denied that request.
The prosecution has done a masterful job of establishing the type of person Michelle was, the integrity of the chain of evidence custody, the pathology of the fatal wounds, the DNA content/process/integrity/results, and the integrity of the arrest and suspicious comments & behavior of Jerry Burns during questioning/arrest/transport to the jail/jail cell activity.
1 in 100 billion (22.7 times the world population in 1979, the time of the crime) were the DNA results matching Jerry Burns to blood on Michelle’s dress.
He’s toast.
I understand the defense’s strategy, but I don’t like it. They have focused on evidence potentially being damaged during the flood of 2008, even though the the DNA was tested and profiled multiple times prior to the flood. Also they have focused on the idea of secondary DNA transfer as being something that can happen. They leave out the parts that point out that secondary DNA transfer is usually from someone else at the scene or by an investigator. It’s not likely that some random guy from Manchester Iowa, with a clean record, is going to have this DNA available in labs or the evidence storage room in order to contaminate not one, but two separate pieces of evidence. Jerry Burns wasn’t one of the investigators. Side note: It’s even more obvious now why the defense didn’t want Jerry’s search engine history as evidence. For those who don’t know, the computer from Jerry’s office had searches for internet porn showing blonde women sexually assaulted and killed. It’s as if he had an itch to scratch right? That being said, I understand why it wasn’t allowed as evidence because apparently on occasion other employees would use his office computer. There was no 100% proof it was him doing the searches even though it connects the dots really well. Anyway, blood DNA on the gear shift and DNA on the dress that matches Jerry Burns. I hope this jury is smart.
I presume Prosecutor Maybanks (who coincidentally went to the same high school as me) will cut through the irrelevant noise that the defense has raised in his closing arguments tomorrow.
I’m optimistic the jury will do the right thing.
I would think that someone would have followed up on his comments. However, maybe someone they thought he was trying to bargain for a lower sentence. But, the reference to the theft of M-16 rifles from the Rock Island Arsenal, would be jumped on by the FBI, since it is a federal property. So, they would have ran with that and possibly solved some other crimes.
Hopefully Jerry will get at least life without parole and he will decide he has nothing more to lose and spill his guts to someone!
Shortly after Brian disappeared Jerry poured a new concrete slab on his farm. Hmm… coincidence…? Now that we know the truth about Jerry I sure hope they look there.
I sure would think that law enforcement would look into that given that fact. I would have thought they would have done that already actually.
Never give up on MISSING person..your HOPE is needed.. Law Enforcement needs to pull up that concrete slab. On Jerry Burns property ASAP!
I totally agree!!
In regards to the comments that a possible lead to the family was ignored. Well, all leads need to passed along to law enforcement. They then have to investigate and determine whether it amounts to anything useful.
There are many cases where law enforcement get hundreds of bits and pieces of information. They all have to be investigated and determined whether its useful or not. Because what happens if they make an arrest and get to court. A good defense attorney, will look at the case files and ask them if they followed up this lead or that lead.
I used to like watching the Perry Mason programs, because he had his own investigator and would have him out there investigating, versus trying to destroy the prosecutions case, by questioning their investigation. I however used to feel sorry for Hamilton Burger, for the several cases he thought were slam dunks.
THis case was solved, but the jury found the killer not guilty.
Keith, thanks so much for your comment. Though it was noted on Sandra Jo’s page that the case was solved, I’ve added the details about Dean Ray Tumey’s acquittal on this page as well as the Cedar County page.
In instances where cases had been cold for some time before being solved, I keep the case information on the website because readers (as well as researchers) are often interested in how they eventually came to be solved.
Thank you for your service in law enforcement!
For those unaware; the trial of Jerry Burns, as the accused in the viscous assault and murder of Michelle Martinko, began with judge, attorneys, and court administration calibration on Mon 2.10.20, jury selection on Tue 2.11.20, and opening remarks and testimony occurring on Wed 2.12.20.
Testimony began with friends and acquaintances who saw Michelle that night who saw her at a HS school banquet at Sheraton Hotel & Westdale Mall (in close proximity of each other) in Cedar Rapids. Testimony involved establishing Michelle’s high quality character as a person and timeline of her movements that night – especially when she left the mall and later would have met ultimately her demise.
The second day of testimony established the investigation and evidence collection process & procedures involving accounts from the investigating officers and detectives from the Cedar Rapids Police Department as well as the autopsy results.
The third day of testimony involved the integrity of the chain of custody and explanation of the DNA processes and findings in this case – including the 1 in 100 billion (there were about 4.4 billion people on the entire planet of earth in 1979, the year of the offense) unique DNA identification of the accused, Jerry Burns.
Testimony resumes on Mon 2.18.20.
It’s been interesting to see the defense start to try to push the idea that maybe the evidence had been contaminated with Jerry Burns DNA sometime since 1979, even though there doesn’t seem to have been any mishandling of the evidence. No evidence of mishandling so far, and no evidence of any situation where Jerry Burns’s blood would have been in a position to contaminate specific pieces of evidence like the gear shift.
Indeed it has. It’s about the defense’s only play – argue contamination of the DNA evidence as the prosecutors have & will further establish that the DNA is definitively Jerry Burns. They scored a couple of minor points but nothing material from what i can tell.
To your point, the prosecution has done a great job linking the integrity of the chain of custody for the dress and gear shift selector from collection to check in / out of the CRPD secured evidence room to hand off / receipt from the DCI lab for analysis and back to the CRPD.
I really thought the two DCI analysts in particular – Mike Peterson & Linda Sawer were very effective in explaining the DNA content, processes & findings in layman’s terms that the jury can understand.
Linda Sawer in particular did amazingly well. One interesting observation I noticed is that on Day 2 the defense made it a point to get Dr Richard Fiester to mention that the vaginal swabs taken during the autopsy had no signs of sperm or seminal fluid. Then on Day 3 Linda Sawer mentioned there was microscopic amounts of sperm and seminal fluid present on Michelle’s panties, but not enough for analysis unfortunately. I’ve always had the theory that it was sexually motivated, but location, time, and the way the situation played out may have spooked the murder. Many men precum / “get wet” in excitement so maybe its possible that he exposed her panties and stopped. If not, I guess its possible she was wearing those panties previously for some sort of sexual encounter and they weren’t 100% clean? I guess it’s really only relevant if there was enough to do DNA analysis on. You said “Testimony resumes on Mon 2.18.20” but Monday is the 17th. Do they resume on Tuesday?
Sorry I just picked this up. I typed the date incorrectly. The trial resumed on Mon 2.17.20 at 9:00am. Apologies for the confusion.
Linda Sawer was indeed awesome. I could see where your theory regarding the sperm is possible.
I’ve always had an interest in this case in particular as I grew up on the SW side of Cedar Rapids near Westdale Mall & the Sheraton Hotel. Been to both places many times – in particular the Westdale Mall.
Anybody can watch the trial on Law and Crime network stream either live or archived via You Tube incidentally,
I won’t ever belive he was alone.i don’t be live everything from DCI HAS BEEN TOLD.TINA WAS MY FRIEND&LIKE A DAUGHTER TO ME.SHE LIVED BEHIND MY HOUSE ON SOUTH WARD ST.SHE LOVED MY 2 KIDS BETTY&MIKE SHEPHERD JR.AND SHED HELPED ANYONE
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It would be nice to run the fingerprints through the FBI system today. They have added a number of fingerprints to the system over a number of years. However, with are luck the offender is most likely deceased. But, we never know.
I don’t remember how long Dave’s fooze and booze was open but it didn’t seem that long. I heard a girl named robon Keeney used to work there. She might be an interesting person for the family to talk to if only to ask what she was hearing at the time
This literally breaks my heart! who takes the life of a Mother! Come on,please somebody knows something! Realize that if it were you, you would want closure and peace! please help out Autumn and her family. Connie deserves justice and didnt deserve this!!!
Thank you Phil it is much appreciated. People say it will get easier but honestly it doesnt. All the questions keep running through my head like a movie… I wish she was here to see me get married and watch her granddaughter grow… but someone took that away… one day we will find closure…
I’ve been sitting here reading all these comments not knowing what to say, I’m very sorry for your loss, when we were in school we dated for a long time and it’s been so hard to find the right words to express my heart felt sympathy for you all! The person or persons responsible for this will receive 10 fold of the torture and pain they have caused you all! My deepest condolences! Jaremy
“People say it will get easier but honestly it doesn’t.”
True.
My heart breaks for you.
My sister Julie is an Iowa Cold Case. Two more sisters have died before age 65, leaving behind daughters and granddaughters, who will never get to know their grandma.
Our dad is gone now; our mom soldiers on, but the loss of a loved one, especially to murder, is a lifelong cross to bear. Cancer is a serial killer too, but it’s impersonal. It’s an aberration of nature. What aberration has human beings killing innocent young women and tearing apart their families. Sorry – I started out hoping to offer you the small solace that you are not alone in this – and as always, my anger and outrage leap out instead.
All Connie’s grandchildren will know her through you – it’s apparent you are are keeping her legacy alive – God bless you! (Wish I could offer actual healing words of comfort!)
Thank you so much for this!
Is/Was it customary for exotic dance places in IA to be BYOB?
God bless this Angel 👼. May she RIP🙏
I don’t know why people think it would be hard to take two little girls. All someone would have to do is threaten them with a gun. I’m not from that area and wonder if the park is viewable from a passing thoroughfare road. My thinking is maybe someone saw them from a road and it was a crime of opportunity.
Considering the snatch and grab scenario of young women nowadays you’re not far off gramma.
I was just in storm lake this evening so it’s really weird timing to me. I’m just now hearing (well, reading) of this and a couple theories came to mind: the mother was in a compromising situation such as trafficking, drugs (anyone from the area knows storm lake has a major drug problem), an incest scenario, and/or an abusive relationship. With the safe haven boxes, I’m not sure if there was one available in storm lake at the time or not, but if there was, there could be fears that someone would be watching and make some connection, even though it is fairly anonymous. If she was being trafficked someone could possibly link her to her pimp and any other victims and I’m sure that could have some really bad repercussions. If it’s a drug situation, it could lead to her being arrested. If it’s an abusive relationship it could get her partner caught and I’m sure we’re all aware of how difficult and dangerous it is getting out of an abusive situation. Similarly, if it was an incest situation it could possibly be linked to the family member and that would place a lot of burden on her as well. I’m not saying it justifies it, but I do think they’re possibilities that should be explored. Worst case scenario it’s wrong and the case continues to be cold.
My other theory is that it’s another teenage mom who likely hid her pregnancy and delivered outside of a hospital setting, like the girl from eastern Iowa that was mentioned in the article.
Had anyone looked to see if Samuel Little was in Iowa ?
I was only 11 when this took place and at the time my great uncle Mike Racobs was the sheriff. I still remember hearing him tell my mother and father the story and for an 11 year 0ld it was disturbing
This was my aunt, and we were close. I hate knowing this has never been solved.
You and me both Scott.
I just saw an episode of Dateline about this case. It was mentioned that there were hair samples found in the victim’s hand and they were never tested with current technology..why not?
Has anything else happened with this case? Are the men who were involved still in the area? Has anyone approached them? With this being a popular podcast topic has anyone reached out?
It seems that with technology and memories of someone who might recall something or someone, someone should be brought to justice. We are talking about someones’ daughter,mother,sister,or friend whom was taken from their loved ones suddenly.
Annette Cahill never mentioned the bat before public knowledge. That was a misstatement by investigators that was later recanted. She was convicted on the testimony of a girl who was 9 when she claims to have overheard this confession. There was NO physical evidence linking her to the crime. This is a miscarriage of justice.
Does anyone know the bedroom ceiling height?
One thing I would like to know is if Richard Forsyth has any family around and still living. There hasn’t been any outcry and any family effort to locate him as far as I can tell. The dates are kind of confusing, why wasn’t he reported missing until 1994?
he was tracked to arizona after he disappeared the first time, as far as the second time who knows exactly when he went missing,
HOW COME FRANK STEARNS , VANDE WEIRD, AND DCI AGENT BILLY BASLER AREN’T IN JAIL? WE THE CITIZENS GOTTA CLEAN UP THE TRASH, ALL COPS AROUND THE WORLD ARE THE DEVIL. THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE, UNDERCOVER CARS, WRITING US TICKETS, WE PAY THEIR SALARY. WHO WOULD BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU? THE DEVIL….. they make and sell meth on the streets. Look at the big houses they got. They all suck cock too
very informational post and insight said no one ever. take your meds
your off your meds is you think Leo from MCPD and CGCSO weren’t involved in either Jody or Gerald cases this commentary might be 2 years old but this day and age after Russell Jensen and that one’s coming up a lot of answers coming too long overdue questions about police corruption cover-ups etc.
Why, because I can read and do my own research based on the facts that are given? I read the State of Iowa Nursing Board filing against the nurse. Nowhere in that document does it show or even mentions most of the claims on this website. As quoted from the document “On January 14, 2004 the Respondent dispensed a topical medication to a hospice client (client A). Although the medication could be administered per physician standing orders the Respondent had obtained the medication from another hospice client’s (client B) home where she had visited prior to her arrival at the home of client A.” The nursing board does not mention stolen medications from a pharmacy, nor does it even reference the medication given as being stolen from client B. That document makes no mention of five people’s deaths, stolen medications, improper care by any family other than this family, or the claims that the nurse admitted to any other charge than the one listed in this report. It does state he was prescribed the medication given. That is the whole summary of the document of wrongdoing found by the State of Iowa nursing board that warranted disciplining the nurse. This website also says that Medicare compiled a 25-page report worth of wrongdoings, nowhere in that document that was done over a year later does it reference or mention a Medicare report listing wrongdoings. As noted from Medicare’s own website “To file a complaint about improper care or unsafe conditions in a hospital, home health agency, hospice, or nursing home, contact your State Survey Agency. The State Survey Agency is usually part of your State’s department of health services.” Medicare refers to different state agencies to investigate claims. So, it is hard to believe the State of Iowa Nursing board would not know of an investigation that was done by other state agencies over this matter.
A second problem with these claims was that he was on temporary hospice. Google temporary hospice it does not come up anywhere in general or even listed in the four levels of hospice care as listed by hospicesect.org. Respecting Lack’s wishes, Dr. Peethambaram called Mercy Hospice in Charles City, Iowa, to set up an afternoon appointment to begin temporary hospice care for the period of the trial and as needed. A problem with claiming that Mayo would put him on temporary hospice is its not allowed, participation in experimental treatments or clinical trials is not allowed because they are considered life-prolonging which goes against the purpose of hospice. From hospicesect.org “Of course, should there be signs of improvement, hospice care can be suspended, and active cancer treatment can be re-started. We keep our patients’ doctors involved in the process all the way through.” “In rare cases chemotherapy, radiation and surgery can be used to relieve pain or other symptoms while receiving hospice care. However, in order to receive these high risk treatments for purposes other than comfort, the individual must stop hospice care “hospicefoundation.org). Third problem with this story is if the patient’s family had thought he had been drug overdosed not once but twice, why didn’t they call 911 and have them taken to an emergency room. From hospicefoundation.org “While hospice should be notified before going to the hospital, a patient can seek other care at any time.” Again, if there was such improper care given and malpractice as claimed in the three days, why didn’t the family seek medical care as stated as above. Since there was nothing stopping him from being seen at any local hospital or even Mayo. Finally, I checked Iowa Courts to see if any malpractice had been filed by the estate of the family or spouse for this outrageous misconduct of care. What did I find nothing, if even a fraction of these claims would have been remotely true it would be any easy malpractice lawsuit yet for some reason I didn’t see any filed.
So, unless you can provide factual evidence which I haven’t seen yet I find this to be outlandish and absurd in its claims. Unless you now think that the Iowa Board of Nursing was also in on his murder since there was no factual evidence to support these claims as referenced in CASE N0 05-365.
In the investigation for the 25 pages of Citations against Nurse Linda D. and Hospice of North Iowa there is medical records documenting the charges of Linda withholding, “stealing” patients’ drugs, withholding Ray Powers drugs before his death, and administering or not resuscitating patients who had orders to be resuscitated, removing drugs from one patient’s home and administering to others without prescriptions for them, (like Ray’s drugs she was Cited for taking from Ray and had dabbed Ray’s DBR gel in the back of Gary’s throat) when I called the Charles City Hospital again to try to get an ambulance on 1/14/2004 as recorded in my notes given to the Iowa Inspection and Appeals Office, Linda refused an ambulance. After the investigation Iowa State Inspection and Appeals issued those 25 pages of Citations against Linda and Hospice of North Iowa for having broken many laws including theft and regarding the portability of Prescription drugs part of those citations involved the citations for the deaths of 5 patients that died during the two days of Linda’s so-called care starting on late 1/12/2004 and ending at Gary’s not even being seen by a doctor or pronounced dead just Linda having his body bagged and Directed to the Mason City Crematorium, without my or our family’s permission. We had been told by Linda, that Gary was dead and he was to be taken at my request to the Champion funeral Home, instead she had gotten Dr. Royer, who had never seen Gary alive or dead to order Gary’s cremation and write up Gary’s death certificate without ever knowing Gary just Linda’s covering up her drug thefts of oxycodone, etc. I had nightmares that Gary was still alive yet when they burned Gary, within a couple hours, right after he was driven to Mason City on 1/14/2004. Linda’s “two days of care”, lack of care, or illegal drug administration, and even the mixing up of the powder she called “kayexalate (in about a cup of water) or the generic version of Sodium Poly-sulfonate in Sorbitol solution” and made Gary drink in our home on the evening of 1/12/2004 in our home and administered to Gary made him so weak and turned Gary’s stools to a gold/yellow then dark coffee grounds on 1/14/2004 and he joked he was a true “Hawkeye”. Burned to cover-up the profiting of illegal drainage and on-going pollution of 1/2 million Iowans drinking water. “Powerful Tea Party Good Ole White Boys that own the 50,000 acres” being illegally drained into the Cedar Valley Group Aquifers by Worth and Mitchell County Engineer, Jim Hyde’s magic marker drawn plans that used to hang up on his Office wall.
Carl you must’ve not read this very closely before typing this up because you specifically typed: “Although the medication could be administered per physician standing orders, the Respondent had obtained the medication from another hospice client’s (client B) home…” This very clearly states that she took the medication from another patients home. Correct me if I am wrong but I am assuming you got this statement directly from the report. You later stated “…nor does it even reference the medication given as being stolen from client B…” No where does it state that he was prescribed this prescription, though it does state that a physician had the option to prescribe this medication.
Another problem I have with your statements is that you have made is that you say that “Google temporary hospice it does not come up anywhere in general or even listed in the four levels of hospice care as listed by hospicesect.org.” Hospice care does not have a standard, Hospice care is provided based on each individuals needs and each facilities capabilities. Not to mention that the link you provided is from a hospice care center in Connecticut not in Iowa or Minnesota which both have different medical guidelines and regulations than a state that is nearly 1300 miles away. Had you read the the article you would have known that the reason that he was put on temporary hospice was because he and Veronica were not able to fully care for each other due to the fact that Veronica was also ill due to the point source pollution that was affecting the water supply at their home as well as a broken leg. The reason you would not find this case on the Iowa Courts website is because it was not taken to trial which is what Iowa Court Online is used for, to search for trail cases and to make payments on said trial cases if necessary. So while you may think that the nurse in question gave you the best possible care, she unfortunately did not give the best possible care to the Lack family and the other patients mentioned at the time. So before you begin to accuse others if slander, I would invite you to some more thorough research and then make sure you are not the one doing the slandering.
Carl, Nurses do not dab DBR gel down someone’s throat when they are gagging on what she put in her notes was blood. I did not know what she was doing or what Ray Powers DBR gel was for, but she made it so Gary choked and could not spit out any vomit and his throat closed and he passed out.
So sad that it still isn’t solved,
The lack of awareness about this case leads me to suspect the family. It is the family’s efforts that typically get press coverage to the missing
I think it somebody on the bootleggers list
The body found in no frills was Larry Ely Murillo-Moncada, another profile on this page. Could this man have gone back to Africa?
This family seems to have been fully denied justice. There has historically been a great deal of discrimination in how cases are treated based on personal and law enforcement biases, including how the victim is portrayed by the press and potentally even people involved in the disappearance.
With all due respect to the family members, it appears that the siblings have been “vulnerable-adults,” in retrospect. It is very common for abused children to grow up to be vulnerable to other abusive personalities. They fail to see the red flags as having parent(s) with them “normalizes” behaviors others would find alarming.
It’s far from unheard of for a young kidnap victim to be corrupted, and as a result, behave in ways that make them complicit in their own disappearance at that point.
Geez, 17 years old married 8 months to a 21 year old?
Sounds like a minor who was impregnated by her murderer. Can’t DNA be used to identify her/and her babies father?
Would it be possible for the mother Helen to have killed her siblings? If not, could Munchausen Syndrome have been passed from mother to daughter? Does any pattern of infant death extend to other relatives of the mothers family? This is a lot of deaths, with no conclusive evidence. You’d think a family member would insist on resolution.
Infant deaths always seem to be either due to SIDS or a parent. If the family doesn’t push for resolution, no one does it seems.
EUGENE GOSCH IS A NUT BAG…HATEFUL POS
That is surely the truth. He is a troll, pure and simple, and should be banned from these sites. Adds nothing but piss and vinegar.
The father? Thats becuase he was involved.
After reading the case evidence and the comments, I think it is the responsibility of the Cedar Rapids Police and Iowa State Patrol to solve these cases, when it is obvious to most what should be looked at. All of the evidence is there but needs a fresh set of eyes to see what others have missed. My curiousity lies with Jaymie’s autopsy. This child was 6 years old and not only had Ecoli but cirrhosis of the liver? I am so curious as to why a child of this age would have the ailments described by the medical examiner and secondly, when was the last time she had been to the doctor? Too many grey areas that need brought back into the light! The family needs closure and it is time to talk to Vicki again, because I think there is waaaaay more to this story than what she had told!
I agree. It needs to be explained why Jaymie had all of those pathologies at the time of her death. She SHOULD have been showing symptoms. The anoxic encephalopathy is caused by complete loss of blood flow to the brain and is typically found in coma patients who have suffered cardiac arrest, or drug overdose, or other SERIOUS incidents. She had cirrhosis, pneumonia and e-coli poisoning. She would have not seemed healthy – she probably would have been underweight and lethargic, possibly coughing, vomiting, diarrhea, etc.
Are there any reports about what she was like before her death?
Les Kennedy is GUILTY as sin. He is also a retired shriff. go figure. I am really sorry to the family and friends of Kimberly. He will pay don’t You worry in this life or the afterlife.
Are there any siblings of Matt still around in Cedar Rapids? I went to Washington HS with him. He was my friend. We had gym class together and he was my partner in the weight lifting part of that gym class. I have a story to tell them that I’ve never told anyone before. It was when we played football in gym class. It was the jocks against the lesser persons. Something we did during that one game that I need to tell a sibling or it will be lost forever. It’s a great story. Please contact me. At gwdrmmer@msn.com.
Sad no life story on him he was my uncle’s friend
If peope have problems with people stay away from them killing them is not the answer and there is people who would take them babies and give them a.loving home I know I would have you peope will answer to our Lord for what you’ve done
Psychological Analysis
Trauma From “Shotgun wedding” using sonic attack weapon – hearing voices
He was probably dumped by his (assumed) Catholic bait-and-switch girlfriend and he failed to marry the other unbeknowst girl. The reason that he went to work when he didn’t have to was he mistakenly thought the other girl was work, reasoning work and pregnancy (what pregnancy?) were synonymous. Thus, he was hypnotically induced to walk barefoot via sonic device to punish his “cold feet” for marriage. As further punishment he was induced to hide behind the coolers to be with the only labor he could conceive. The “other girl” was a total enigma to him and the real girl wanted to hide her relationship even though it was over. He would not find the other women even though his life depended upon it. Loose ends were left for the real girl which apparently was a desperate situation for her. She couldn’t get relationships tidied up quickly enough. Something hidden, but what?
Possible relevance, merely a hunch: Pottawattomie Tribe Casino (Gun Lake Casino) near Grand Rapids, MI. (Names and places, work, loves are scrambled to hide something.)
What on earth are you on about? Sound like you’re absolutely bonkers!
There is no reason why the young unidentified lady shouldn’t have been identified by now. Forensic technology has progressed to such a point where skeletons provide usable DNA and a more specific age of the victim. That being true, why has she been left forgotten in an unmarked grave?
John, I agree with your comment. However, it costs money to have those tests. Also, I wonder if they took any samples that could be sent. If not they may have exhume her remains. That normally requires a court order and money.
And as good as DNA technology is, you need Day to match it to
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I would like to know what the evidence was that the county attorneys withheld.
I wonder if they ran their truck driver information through the FBI. They created a database on over the road truckers involved in various crimes. If not they also ask them to add their description information to the system.
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I’m sorry but the guy you’re looking for has been long dead since 1997 I won’t go into details because he was a distant relative but I’m pretty sure if you look in the police file your notice that her panties were stolen from her
I hate seeing negative comments about my cousin do y’all ever stop to think her kids gets on here and reads this!!!! Long live my cousin Johnita aka Boss Lady
I wonder if the woman involved in the crime might have worked at the brothel, and may have thought that would have been a large sum of money on the premises. So, she gets her boyfriend or someone else to help steal the money. It seems to appear that the victims may have known one or both offenders. I find it interesting that a large sum of money, was actually found in the trunk of Woodring’s car.
The other thought as that it was someone that had been involved in any of Woodring’s previous criminal activities, and felt he was owed some money.
Poor dog 😢
So ….. 🤔 46000 n they only took 200 hmmmm
Smh why would a young guy with his own house date a old fart who’s married 🤦♂️
Maybe she was not an old fart by his standards. I am involved with a woman is about 6 years older me. She was a good looking woman then and now. I also love my grandkids and great grandkids.
Also, her husband sounds like he was abusive and felt safe with the victim. This is at a time that domestic violence was not exactly dealt with by law enforcement and the courts.
This would have been true in a small town.
This guy sometimes stayed in a camper right behind my trailer. Basically, the cops came and asked “Are you Lee Allan Rolfe?” He said “Sure am!” and then they said “Are you from Iowa?” He said “Sure am!” Then they said “do you know why we’re here?” He said “Sure do!”, turned around, put his hands behind his back.
It seems like the family has their ideas already, but there has always been this weird drug scene between Cedar Rapids, Center Point, Urbana, Palo, Shellsburg, and Vinton that has claimed lives. He might have just been involved with the wrong people and that’s it. Just because he made some poor life choices it doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve justice though.
This morning a photo tip and information was submitted via email to the detective listed above, Det. Brian Mathis, with the Des Moines, IA Police Department. This information was shared with admins from the FB page dedicated to helping move this investigation forward through help from the public, as well as another FB group working to give exposure to the many missing persons in northwest Missouri and surrounding areas.
We hope Detective Mathis will give this information review and investigation if it has not been previously submitted.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/WHERESFREDERICKJAMESWORKMAN
I hope this information pans out. I am surprised that no lawyer would take on the State of Iowa, and their handling of his case and care.
Here in Cook County, we have a Public Guardian, one of the toughest one finally became a judge. But, he and the current one did not hesitate to take on local and private facilities for their improper care and treatment.
In fact the Public Guardian recently filed suit in federal court against a facility in the Chicago area. So it can be done.
In Dec 1904..a very pregnant Ella Fox Barrett with the homeowner and wife were killed before house set ablaze…the two ladies were beaten to death and laid very respectfully on a bed while the man of the house was beheaded and axe was left on the floor next to his body…axe was always left in out house…so killer retrieved it from there…this happened in Monticello Arkansas. Today that site remains one of the most haunted places in America.
I was just recently living with someone named william halterman here in knoxville iowa and while staying with him i was getting bad vibes and sketched out by some of the things he was doing so i looked him up and found this about Beth Ricketts. Pryor to finding this while at wal-mart with him he’d made a comment about how he lost a significant other when she was out shopping and i didn’t think much of it til finding this. Ive asked “Bill” william halterman about this incident and with a stutter and look in his face denied it but from his facial expressions, body language i truly felt and still believe it was him. Bill currently left Knoxville and told people he was moving to mississippi but i dont feel he did cause his life is a lie and honestly think hes down in chariton iowa cuz i didn’t and believe it and actually he was seen in knoxville and stayed at red carpet motel. I honestly feel and put it on all i love i believe it was the “Bill” William Halterman i know.
Shane, would you send me an email where I could contact you? I’d like to talk a little more about your experience. Thanks!
Sgt Paul Parizek
DMPD
Mr. Sgt Paul Parizek
I just wamna respond to your email and let you know im more than willing to talk to you about my experience with “Bill” William Halterman. My contact # 515-468-5291 feel free to call me at any time when you have the time and ill give you evey lil bit of information i possibly can in regards to this case and be more than happy to put this case to an end and curious minds to rest. Thank you
Thanks, Shane….
I just saw that I didn’t leave my contact info. Apologies for that!
I’ll call you tomorrow. Thank you for doing what you can to help Beth’s family.
Paul
Shane, Do you remember Bill having a friend that was an Indian guy may have gone by Big Chief or Indian Joe?
Shane, I’m Beth’s daughter. I appreciate your honesty and willingness to come forward on here to tell us your experiences with that man. I truly believe what you’re saying is real due to what I knew of him as a child. I’m offering you my email in case you have any questions or would like to tell me anything you didn’t feel comfortable putting on here. Paul is a detective currently working on my moms case and has held true to every promise he has made to my family. It’s been very refreshing. If you don’t want to speak to me maybe reach out to him. Of course no one will ever know who gave any information; we are just trying to close this case and move on finally with our lives. My email is ilovejeeps380@gmail.com. I would love to hear more about your experience and see if just your small time with him could help solve this case. You could honestly be the key and I’m so grateful for you. You have no idea!!! It’s been so hard especially since we are about to come on another death date without any answers. Again whatever you decide I just really appreciate you! I look forward to hearing back from you!
These recent exchanges from Shane, Sgt. Parizek, and Shanda illustrate the positive outcome that can be realized when the community (i.e. the people who know something about a particular case; even if it seems trivial, it may make a difference), law enforcement, and family members work together.
I commend all three of you (sincere condolences Shanda & family).
I hope something positive comes out of this. Keep us posted if something comes of this (to the degree it is appropriate) if you don’t mind.
Good luck!
I would also add that the other entity in this positive equation is online message forums such as Iowa Cold Cases that, in this case, brings the community, law enforcement, and family members and friends together.
I think it’s pretty cool that law enforcement monitors this site for potential leads.
Thank you. We certainly will.
I am the granddaughter of Cecil Earl Paris I’m the daughter of his son Cecil pearl Paris or Cecil Paul Paris As my dad changed his name later I’m the second of six children. My name is Linda Faye Paris My birth name is Linda Fae Paris and my mothers name was Ruby Fae Dollar my siblings names are Donna Kay Paris me Linda Faye Paris my sister Kathy Lee Paris my brother Daviid Michael Paris and our little sister Michelle Renee Paris I was told all my life that my grandfather Cecil was a train robber. So that shows that no one really ever talked about what really happened. I don’t think he was gambling that night he was a good man doing his job to take care of his wife and five children. God knows what happened and he is our vindicator. Any family that would like to talk to me you may Email me at daisyfaye54@gmail.com. We send things to all who helped with this article. I wish I could’ve gotten to know him. It’s also very sad especially that he was maligned by saying he was a robber of trains. It’s so very sad but I’m glad we know the truth now.
Cecil was never involved with any criminal activity that I’m aware of. The only connection the family has to robbers involved an in-law marrying into the Dalton Gang. Nothing involving Cecil at all.
Hey mom it’s me again writing on your birthday… adriana will be 5 next month! I got out of Iowa, now living in Oregon with the love of my life. Things are going well :)
I hope you have a happy heavenly birthday. Miss and love you dearly ♡ GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN
Jesse missing date and last seen should be the same you have it listed 1 year apart. What do you do for these missing people?
My son was her son Andrew’s best friend. It was just fate that my son did not go to that house after school that day as was the norm.
This always seemed like a domestic situation and the perp was someone she knew. There was no forced entry and the house was uncustomarily locked.
Your comments certainly imply the husband was involved. What a shame.
I agree that it suggests the husband was involved. There is no mention of husband in the original investigation of her death. He is only mentioned in the obituary.
As I had known her parents (now deceased) since youth, as I recall the husband had an indisputable alibi. The family had recently had new flooring installed in the house. Her parents always felt those individuals played some part in it as they had been supplied a key. As I recall at the time she was a stay at home mom.
That’s good info. If you know & feel comfortable sharing, did her parents convey the motive?
Who is your son? I lived across the street from them through my childhood.
Frank was my grandfather and I am praying someone will finally come forward with information since all the people we assume are involved are deceased. It would be a miracle to finally give my family some closure.
Anthony Lee Evans, I grew up in the neighborhood where he was killed in a hit in run. My best friends dad drove a white dodge pickup. My friends and I always wondered if he was the one that hit Anthony. I was only 12 at the time so we never really thought it was possible someone we knew could have done this. He was also a friend of law enforcement and medical personnel. He could have done it on accident and gotten away with it. He died in an accident himself shortly after so I believe this may be why this mystery has gone unsolved. I have absolutely know sure facts or proof so that is why I am leaving all names and addresses out. I always found it suspicious that this killing was not investigated or reported on further. Maybe him having friends in law enforcement helped keep this quite. But if you drive down St. Joe hill you can still see that little boys memorial and picture by the side of the road as far as I know. Very sad
What became of her husband and marriage?
I was wondering the same.
I am Ronette’s step-daughter and I am still local. I am currently educating myself on what happen to Ronnie. I remember her so vividly and I want to know what happen to her. My Dad is still alive, and that is all I will say in regards to him.
This is my Grandmother and my Grandfather did not kill her. I was very young but I remember the love of both of them.
Yes he did kill her. It’s 1000% obvious.
This woman was my aunt, her brother was my dad. My dad always said over the years that she was killed by either Frank Sr. or Frank Jr. My father was instrumental in getting her body returned to Moline, IL.and having a proper funeral and burial in Riverside Cemetary, Moline, IL. This was a very devastating event for him. He remained adamant until he passed away that she was murdered by her family. I was only a child when this happened but I remember that she was a sweet lady. It was a very sad thing for my father and it bothered him terribly that no one was either brought to justice for taking her life.
What motive would Frank Jr. have had to kill his mother?
May you never C forgotten Randy O! People still to this day have Love N Respect for you!
I was in grade school with Dorothy Miller’s grandson at Black Hawk Elementary School. I remember it very well as we all were marched outside the school ‘single file’ and Tony was taken away. We didn’t understand the disruption and one of our classmates being taken home mid-day. Scary and eerie, still. Of course parents talked and made it all more mysterious as it was hush-hush. I’m curious as to whether her daughter and grandson are still in the area or even alive.
Melody N.
Melody N. This is Rob, Tony’s younger brother. We moved to Bettendorf in 1076, then to West DesMoines where Tony graduated highschool. We moved to Kansas City area in 1981, he went into Air Force basic training and after an honorable discharge due to an injury. Then we all somehow ended up in Texas where he worked for HEB grocery stores. Unfortunately he passed away from esophageal cancer in 2014. He would love it that you remembered him after all this time. I appreciate you inquiring about him.
My mother, Dorothy’s daughter is still doing well in Texas and is a
very active 80. I was only 5 and Tony was 7. My mother and I still hope somehow they will determine who my grandmothers killer was. We were definitely impacted when she was taken from us and having that closure would mean so much. Thanks for your note. I hope you get this as I am just now seeing it.
Rob Craven my name is Sue my mom was Frances Hardin Beardsley. Her dad was a cousin of your grandmother. I have read about Dorothy. I’m working on our family history and would like to know if it’s ok to add this to it since it’s part of our family history. Plus if it’s ok can you tell me about your mom, brother and your self. If you would rather it be a private thing just let me know and we could figure out a way to connect each other
Hey everyone, after talking to my dad who lived about an hour away from the Des Moines area from 1971-1989 (around the same age as Eugene at the time of his disappearance) I recently learned about a possible suspect: a well-known teacher that around the area named Mark Glascock. Overall an extremely creepy guy that my dad and the kids his age stayed away and was infamous for the pedophilic rumors that surrounded him. Might want to take a look.
If you truly do encourage thoughtful discussions that are respective of others please take the rantings of anon on Jeffrey Rose down! My children and grandchildren do not deserve to have to relive any of this hatefulness!
Diana, how are these “hateful”? How are they “rantings”? These are factual newspaper accounts from the beating death of your son. These are factual newspaper accounts from the trial, which report your own sworn testimony.
You sound like someone who either wants to re-write history and deny reality, or who wants to cover up a crime.
Your son was beaten to death. Let’s hear an admission to this undeniable truth from your mouth (or your keyboard). And since you appear to be the only living person who knows exactly what happened, perhaps you can enlighten us now as to who was responsible, and exactly what they did.
Also Diana, don’t you think that your children and grandchildren deserve to know the truth so that they can make *informed* decisions regarding who to allow their own children to have unsupervised contact with?
This isn’t an unsolved murder. Someone was brought to trial for it and found not guilty. Law enforcement likely believes they arrested the correct person and there isn’t any more investigation to be done. If you have information to the contrary please share it with the appropriate authorities.
Jan,
There were clearly two people involved, as is demonstrated by Diana’s own testimony. Only one (the man) was brought to trial.
I pray that you never experience what we did! People just like you are why details are misconstrued in the media! You need to find something in your life that gives you joy and try to focus on that rather than trying to destroy someone else! A judge ruled there was no evidence to charge anything! Why would you think that is?
@Concerned Citizen, child abuse medicine was in its infancy back then, and our judiciary was in denial. Someone tortured baby Jeffery to death, either William or Diana, or both of them. Please specifically identify what you audaciously claim was “misconstrued in the media.” On a related note, the murdered boy’s nieces, who are now old enough to be parents themselves, or almost old enough to be parents themselves, need to be able to make an INFORMED decision as to whether or not to allow their children (if they have any) to have contact with Diana. The family structure appears to be built on lies, denial, and cover-up, which is unsafe, dangerous, unhealthy, and perpetuates dysfunction from generation to generation
Find a new hobby and let the justice system do it’s job as it did back in 1969. The entire family is aware of this story and it changes nothing. “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone.” John 8:7
You must be a family member in denial. And I reiterate that the murdered boy’s nieces need to be able to make an *informed* decision as to whether or not to allow their children (if they have any) to have contact with Diana, and, if so, whether supervised, unsupervised, etc.
Yes, I’m a family member. They’re my parents and I’m lucky enough to be their daughter. My parents are (were) great parents and both my brother and myself are successful members of society that they raised, loved and supported every step of the way. Again, get off your high horse and quit harassing people you know nothing about.
Murders like like this piss me off because here you have a young man making an honest living and gets killed for a few dollars in change by lazy people who should get a job
Couldn’t agree more. Infuriates me to no end. Worthless piece of crap takes the life an honest, hard working guy in the early stages of his life.
I actually knew of his family (not directly) as I too grew up in the SW side of CR. He and his family attended the same church & school as I.
Bad parenting by the mother leaving the kid with a drug dealing junkie she is as much to blame for this crime
Did they ever exhume the body of the supposed killer? (Series 1 E 1)? It’s driving me nuts, they leave without a word!!!! What happened?
It was NOT a match!
It’s now 2023, wondering if any progress has been made
As far as I’ve heard there is nothing new. I need to call the Sheriff and talk to him again. I wish it was just solved. Sometimes I guess I run out of what to do next. But, I won’t stop trying.
Please call me if you have any information to who did this , and you will have a big reward if leads to the killer at large and still free !
515-745-6072 , I am her daughter Alisia please Come forward.
I hope they interviewed people at the auction. Seems to me someone may be going to specific auctions, watching buyers and later stalking and robbing people who are vulnerable. Very sorry for the family.
They don’t even have her husband’s name right. He was my father and his name is James Robert Shireman not James L Shireman.
Jaymis, I was wondering, where in the case summary (or the Telegraph Herald story) did it mention that your father’s name was James L Shireman? I’ve looked but cannot find it. (BTW, if this comment disappears within a day or so it’s because ICC is currently migrating to a new server and the backup zip file has already been saved and being transferred.) If your father’s middle name and/or initial were printed incorrectly in an archived newspaper article, I (obviously) would have no way of changing that, but do realize the importance of having correct names cited.
All best,
Jody @ ICC
Hey David you’re so miss I wanted to stop and tell you your first grandchild a girl has made her grand entrance into this world it’s so crazy how much she looks like greedy it’s even much more crazy how much I think that you and I are both part of this child because of our child people watching over all of them for I know you have blessed your children and are watching them always Darius will be leaving soon please keep an eye on him wrap your arms tightly around then and keep you safe your one and only I love you forever and ever
Many people around Clinton are saying he owed alot of money to drug dealers and that he ran into someone he owed that night and got taken. I honestly think that is highly unlikely because from what I’ve read from people who knew him very well said he never got into much trouble and didn’t do drugs.
The Washta access would be located along a more or less direct route to Storm Lake, which does have a large Asian population. I wonder if that area was ever focused on?
Jason, thanks for that information. But, then it appears from Jack’s comments, she may have had any links to the area, except the boyfriend.
It would be nice to know why she went to the casino. Also, how she got there. It makes me wonder how she got to Omaha.
On a bus trip to visit his parents, Des Moines resident Robert McCullough was shot in the head sometime after 23 February 1947. His remains were discovered near half a year later in rural Johnson County. No suspect was ever identified.
Henry Christensen was shot dead in Council Bluffs in 1941. His ex-wife was acquitted, and no one else was ever deemed a strong suspect.
The remains of John Zauhar were discovered in Boone in 1947. The coroner determined the man had died by “felonious means.” His killer was never identified.
A life sentence was imposed but later overturned in the 1950 Lillian Chapman strangulation murder in Clinton. No subsequent conviction was made.
Although the 1950 slashing death of Neva Andrews of Cherokee was never positively determined a homicide, there seems ample reason to infer E.M. Lyman was involved.
Katherine DeKora died of a beating either 14 December 1964 or 14 February 1965. It appears her killing remains unsolved.
There does not seem to be a page detailing this victim.
Seems to be a dearth of unsolved murders in DSM between the years of 1922 and 1951. Was there ever any resolution to the strangulation of schoolgirl Evelyn Lee in 1930, Floyd Alloway’s shooting in 1937, or Anne McGrevey’s arson death in 1948?
Not much detail here. Any relation of the victim to David Morris, 67, whose 23 February 1973 gunshot murder, barely a mile away, went unsolved less than a year later?
Scenny Tate and Omon Watson have long-standing fostercare cases. There has been a lot of activity in both cases since they were reported missing. Looks like Scenny Tate’s mom is Scenny Pleas and dad’s name is Tyrone Tate and that Omon Watson’s mom is Scenny Pleas and Cyris Watson is Omon Watson’s dad. In May of 2018, both Scenny Tate and Omon Watson were “PLACED IN TEMPORARY CARE & CUSTODY OF TAKIYRAH DYE PENDING FURTHER ORDER OF THE COURT.”
Since the aggressor Was comfortable with dead bodies and was reported to take the time comfortably to go through the Wallet – has anyone collected the DNA of all the undertakers that were at the conference?
They just can’t “collect” their DNA. The police can ask for the convention members for permission but lacking that permission there is no way that the visitors can be compelled to give up their DNA. And after forty years how do they find out who attended?
Exactly what I was thinking!
Recently another investigator took on the case. It looks like a Serial Killer and heroin addict drifter killed in 1970 and 1984 so far also. All three have male victims face down, bludgeoned in the back of the head, chairs pulled up with wallet contents emptied, and toothpaste squirted out (which a sex ejaculation simulation for heroin addicts). The suspect died in 1984 but they are trying to get his body exhumed to see if it matches male DNA they have from 2 of the 3 murder scenes so far.
I am wondering if this is the same Dennis Moore that I knew @ Kirkwood Com College in Cedar Rapids back in 1970 he lived at a trailer park in Marion . Any info would add some closure to those who knew Dennis .Thank You
no it wasn’t him
So glad that suspicion can be shifted away from Roger’s widow, Marcella. I’ve never once thought she was involved, and have always leaned towards it being a stranger attack, and after watching the DNA of Murder with Paul Holes on Oxgen, I am even more convinced
It was a serial killer just watched an episode where similar things like hatched wallet and chair and toothpaste was found at 2 other hotel off interstates one 10weeks before this happened and another in 1970
John (Eberly) Flanscha, the youngest son / sibling, passed away on 10/6/19. I think the fact he & his family recognizes LeRoy as his biological father yet is silent on Ruth as his biological mother speaks volumes.
https://www.iowacremation.com/obituary/2019/Oct/Johnny-Lee-Flanscha
Did you use a psychic or did the same happen around that area?
I feel like someone followed the woman. Not necessarily her spouse even. She may or may not have known she was being stalked. Someone she rebuffed even. Because whoever committed the crime knew her and her info. That is why they didn’t bother with her wallet. I would look for a connection with the guys widow. I think someone from Rose’s area went to Rogers widow’s area and made contact. Maybe even relocated to the area.
I watched “A Secret Affair” on October 8th, 2019. The Detective had mentioned that the killer started to write something on the door; the killer left one word…..”THIS”.
My Takeaway:
Right away, I thought that the word “THIS” could be an acronym because; the four letters were ALL capitalized……these letters could possibly stand for “Four Words”…..
Bless the families of these 2 victims…..for their loss. Bless the 2 victims for the horrendous acts of violence that they endured.
Sincerely,
Hayley
Hayley – Was “A Secret Affair” a television episode regarding the case? I couldn’t find anything. Thanks
what was the reason they picked Iowa for a romantic get away? Iowa is totally not romantic. I think there is something behind the location they picked. or the affair was discovered by the wife of Roger or the father of Rose’s child. I can see where the father of Rose’s child might think ‘cha ching’ no child support i i fix the problem, just create an alibi while i head to IA for a few hours. Was anyone they knew tied with the undertakers conference held at the time? So many unanswered questions.
They wanted to go someplace where no one knew them because he was married and this particular hotel has a water park, which would have been a unique attraction at the time.
I watched Dr Oz today and saw this case with Rose and Roger, there is conflicting information, the show said that Rose was turned over and covered up, but i did research, and this website shows where i saw it, that she in fact was also face down when found: (Both Burkert and Atkison lay face down on the bed, the back of their skulls slashed and caved in by repeated blows from either an ax or hatchet.) I remember hearing on the Dr Oz show that she was turned over and covered up stating that the perpetrator possibly knew her and had remorse. So the article is very conflicting. My in-laws live in St Joe and I so badly want to be a forensic scientist but not always is the evidence accurately reported. Back in high school we had this assignment to whisper in our neighbors ear a certain comment, but only aloud to say it that one time, then it would to around the room until the last person heard it. The last person would say it out loud. It was never what it started out to be. Unfortunately we do not always get the accurate information to help cases that are unsolved. I love Dr Oz though and will still research research research. I don’t know either party involved but since it is close to home, i am interested in closure.
I was Rose’s best friend and I know it was said they were both found face down, but I believe that Paul Holes knows what he is talking about. Maybe the fact that Rose was moved after her murder and covered up is just something the detectives wanted to keep to themselves. So, if they ever had someone come to them it would be something only the detectives and the killer would know.
It is important to know exactly how they were found. A lot says about placement.
also if the fact that she was moved after the murder and detectives wanted to keep it to themselves it is now out there. Given that it is important that we know as much as possible to figure it out. Nice to meet you Tammy, and sorry for your loss.
Tammy- what are your thoughts on Roses ‘child’s father? was there a hefty child support payment? Did he know her plans that weekend?
No there was no child support being paid and they hadn’t had contact in quite awhile. He had never seen the child. And thank you for caring. I have a good idea and everything I hear about the show is that Paul Holes came up with quite a bit of stuff and I think we will get lots of answers. He says he won’t give up till the case is solved.
Sorry for your loss Tammy…
Did someone who knew or associated with rose leave the area at this time or really soon thereafter??
Not that I am aware of.
another point to consider is on the Oz show the word ‘This’ s on the door, but the articles state it was on the ‘Mirror’ in the bathroom. Just trying to find out why the inconsistencies to get to the real facts. It may seem like nothing but can be a HUGE difference in solving the case. so what is it?
I think the toothpaste was going to be used as a writing tool to finish the note on door after “this”, but killer changed his/her mind.
makes sense!
This seems like a Zodiac case
Who was booked for room 260 and then canceled? Also who booked room 260 and never returned a key to front desk. Sounds like someone had a key to that room.
Great points…. very interesting!!!
Could “THIS” be intended as an acronym for something? Like, “The Heathen Inherit Suffering” or something like that? If he was religious maybe someone in his family was outraged about the affair.
That’s a very good question, an acronym could be a possibility.
I think that the word THIS is someone initials…. Ex. Tom Henry Irving Senior. I don’t know why but it just makes sense that it initials. I think it probably was for the money in those days men probably wouldn’t search women or believe women kept money. Probably felt disappointment when the cards were being flicked on the floor. A remorse for killing women maybe is reason he covered Rose. I am thinking serial killer
First of all, how good was her ex,s alibie? People have been know to pass polygraphs. If he can do that to a dog and she needed protection from him, he would be my focus! Also is it possible that he spit in the tub or something and covered it up with the toothpaste, did they test the toothpaste for dna. They found male dna, did they re test some of the suspects dna?
I can answer some of your questions, the ex had an alibi in his job. Timecard showed he was there and people claim to have seen him that night at work, I believe. Also, yes the DNA has been run against many suspects and if they are deceased, then their families DNA was tested. I’m not sure it has been tested against every single possible suspect yet though.
I think Rose had a stalker …woukd explain going so far away. Would explain why the did not feel the need to check her wallet . They knew her info also I think he most likely then went to his widows area next
I think the wife found out and hired someone to kill them.
It was obvious it was Ed Edwards who did it,that man should of been drowned at birth, he was a most discussing individual.
I wonder Sandra was living in Fort Dodge. The authorities should have that information. The other question is did she belong to any specific tribe. There are a number of Indian reservations in other parts of the country. The other problem is missing Native-American women don’t get the attention they should.
Was Kevin ever investigated about his brothers death… he have something to do with it
Here’s the one thing I find strange about this case. Why was her work bag taken, with her computer, and stuff in it? Was it taken for the value? The fact that all her belongings were found on the ground, with the exception of her work bag, has puzzled me for the simple fact that this had to be a quick kidnapping, with no time to asses her belongings in the dark. Either this was a crime of opportunity, or someone staged it to be that way. You would think if it was someone who was watching her work schedule, they would have driven away that day seeing that her car was still sitting there, when she usually leaves at that time thinking maybe she was sick that day. They knew that going into that apartment and raising a commotion would be a problem with others that lived there, and would have to make as little noise as possible. So they checked off going in. They needed her in that parking lot, to make a quick transition of getting her into a vehicle. Either someone knew she was running late, or they were waiting for a woman to leave that apartment in the dark, at 4:00 in the morning. I wonder if they have a list of everyone that was in that campground that week.
I wondered about that as well, and what kind of bag it was if it had her laptop in it, could it have been a messenger style bag that she’d worn diagonal across her chest, while her purse would have been in her hand or over her shoulder and used as a weapon when she was grabbed? There were mentions of her taking a self defense class prior to this happening, so my first thought when I read that her things were scattered around the parking lot, was that she might have used the bad to try and defend herself causing everything to get flung around, but a messenger bag would have been secured against her, if she was wearing it across her chest, and so they wouldn’t have had to take the time to grab it because it would have been on her when they grabbed her. Such a sad case, all of them on here are, I hope someday they are all solved.
would absolutely love to know more about this.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MY LOVE….Hey just want you to know you have a granddaughter coming and Darius is leaving for the middle east please wrap your arms around Darius a little tighter and keep an extra eye on him please…I love and miss you and things have never been the same….Love you always and forever
Happy Birthday bro I love you and miss you dearly!!
now where are the photos of indivuals of perhaps suspects, I would like to see them, and share them if someone knows them they can get in touch with the police, I hope they find the person or persons who did this
Smells like a coverup someone higher up gave a thug a break and now is covering. Mafia crap needs to stop!
Ummmm 😐….. Why was his pants down?
I found that odd too.
Just a theory but could him & his gf been having “relations” in bed & got into a fight?
Maybe she assaulted him & then realized he was dead?
Then she drags him out of the house since she can’t carry him & then concocts this sorry of him “going out for a jog.”
She then try’s to “throw off police” by giving them a different story then she did his family.
To me it’s clear that she did this.
Is she still alive?
Soooo… why did she agree to drive further wait I’m confused I thought they were going down the street just to pick up the girl why they go to some other place
If you look at findagrave.com, there have been quite a few infant deaths in Iowa with the last name Ritcher. Assuming they are related somehow, it makes you wonder if there is a congenital issue.
All I know is my brother has been missing. Bryan Ashley Howser. Someone knows something and has seen something,As far as Anne yes they did have an age difference but I do not think that she had anything to do with this. I know he jumped off the Scott avenue Bridge. His body was not recovered.
I have been trying to get Kimberly sue Doss date changed to 1980 not 1982, but Davenport Ia will not help.
“The convenience store where Brian Schappert was killed is now a tattoo parlor.” It’s not relevant really, but that isn’t accurate since about 2016. I think it’s a great clips now.
Heath, thanks so much for the info regarding the location where Brian Schappert was killed. I’ve updated his case summary to reflect those details. The summaries are written contemporaneously to include whatever information is on file at the time, and though the crime details remain the same, homes and buildings go on to be sold, converted to other businesses, and sold yet again. With so many cases to track, we’re ever so thankful when readers bring to our attention the subsequent changes in the business ownership. There’s nothing better than when astute readers point out the transformations of these historical properties. It matters a great deal, and keeps the general public informed of the historical timeline of these real estate transactions. Thanks for taking the time to share these details with us!
why is his case not in the solved section
Our families are still praying for answers.
She was affiliated with the KKK, who cares about bring justice for her
Devon… you’re not the best swimmer in your class, are you?
This is my mom is very much alive!!
Aimee, have you contacted the Des Moines Police Department to ask why her case is listed as an unsolved homicide or confirm this is the same Becky Palmer? You’d want to reference case number 1990-40843. (The info we have listed above came directly from the DMPD, though it is all the info we have on file for the case. I’ve searched archives, but was unable to come up with any additional material on the case.)
I remember I was 11 years old and I was at a family friend’s birthday party up the street across from the bakery when this happened. I remembered the police not letting anyone get near the accident some kept saying it was a little boy. I than saw him on the news and every time we drove by this area I would see his picture on a marker next to the sidewalk and I would ask god to please help his family to please help us find who did this. To this day I remember his name and wonder how can anyone be so cruel!! and not stop.
Cedar Rapids Police officially closing this case. Per the article, they are confident they know the two men who are responsible for the robbery but not sure which of the two, if not both, actually committed the murder. Regardless, both are culpable. Both are now deceased (may they rot in hell).
They have disclosed the names and other pertinent information to the family, I presume that brings the family some measure of comfort.
Seems like he was a good man with a bright future gone too soon. Thoughts & Prayers to the family for this senseless act.
https://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/public-safety/cedar-rapids-police-close-brian-schappert-murder-case-after-30-years-city-surveillance-camera-law-20190906
Couldnt they test her bones today where we now have DNA
What a Stunningly beatiful Girl she was. I know she is with the Creator. Prayers for her family and I hope that whomever did this will come forward!
Mike and Denny did some time but not much
Becomes cause for concern,when personal vendetta.s whether real or imagined matters by individuals making statements known and proven False, yet lay false claims by social media and talk among themselves leading us the readers to see there are individuals determined to to see the woman accused be prosecuted and judged for a crime that of which she suffers for apparently no more reason than simply knowing the deceased.
As I read this Case let me say this You can call everyone among the deceased family .school mates community .work place just as suspect because they also knew the deceased,find record of high school students that he had altercation with accuse them as well,I read he worked at a Bar/Grill,Those who frequented Well Knew him too. Murder is a tragedy ,to accuse someone for nothing more than knowing the deceased is a grave matter,i read that false statements submitted to authorities have been stricken from admissible in this case due to being proven false shall we say[a.k.a lie?] and other statements with nothing to support them apart from hearsay or persons that likely have clouded judgement because of their proximity to the deceased_I can understand these people wanting Justice for a deceased relative ,but I am left questioning why would these be so adamant in wanting the defendant Cahill be convicted _that they lay proven false statements to her guilty yet NO EVIDENCE Supports their claims what-so-ever except that she knew Weineke. as a former girlfriend however I read a fiance is listed ,obviously also knowing him,As a former Bartender myself I can tell you very few bartenders ever can say they are without some enemies and grudges held against them, after Bartending,nor can they say they did not witness some things in their careers that have throughout time, been the very same things that that got persons killed,In these environments you have all manner of things possible contributing to alter peoples minds thoughts and cloud their perspectives whether you know it for a fact or not _it is not pleasant to hear but threats fly at bartenders who any other day may call these same friends_Threats are common For reasons often unbeknownst to any one other than the barred patrons or jealous wives husbands who feel the bartender is aiding and abetting .known or suspected cheating spouses even accusing bartenders of contributing to the destruction of their relatives by merely serving them, or adding to the problems they experience in the home because of an alcoholic patron who becomes inebriated then goes home and abuses his or her family ,then there are passers thru unknown to locals who are treated hostile or become hostile.even local altercations where threats to life and limb are frequently overheard or encountered and sworn to be carried out by hostility for a 100 different reasons in any given event..Every Bartender has known of fights that cost injury that may or may not be life threatening to the parties involved, When the Bartender must break up these or phone local law enforcement and it is not un common to result in Jail time or Charges filed on the party or parties involved-fights break out and threats fly its relatively normal that these can and do happen guns are pulled -fights and threats over money owed You name it, can and will continually be a given in this environment ,any bartender can recount of deaths either by murder ,injury or accidental and involve violence by beating -stabbing and shootings which can occur beginning in the bar and later outside or follow up to individual homes at a later time-Bars have Drive gunfire resulting in bullets put into them or property vehicles its all happened and every bartender knows of a time/times or multiple events that could be attributed to bar life and frequenting or working in these places.where you know the parties or knew of the ones involved as well as those who died _measures are taken to minimize these occasions but they still happen! If one could be accused tried and convicted of homicide for simply having known a person even dated or hated a person and then prosecuted with nothing more to prove guilt by having known that person or persons_Well I do not need to say further how empty the streets would be today!
I am more than a little Questioning how one can find someone guilty with NO HARD EVIDENCE Much less NO EVIDENCE to PROVE GUILT.I also read that the matter rests heavily on a childs testimony obviously confused by the divorce of her parents -her dads questionable habits .her moms grief and unhappiness and the entrants of other women into her life .What Kid would not wish to blame all of these parties for what she is living amidst as a result of all this,But that is not grounds to prosecute them of Murder!
Fact is Murder happens in these scenarios more frequently than most of us care to think.
It cause me considerable thought that the deceased persons family would single out Cahill and want her charged when it just as obvious that their was happenings going on that would implicate a fair amount of other likely suspects with considerably more motive and these are not tried for the same due to lack of evidence -I also Find it hard to comprehend cahill able to bludgeon a man Weinekes size as he appears in the photo and he put up no resistance that likely would have left visible signs of the incident on the perpetrator and certainly fingerprints and other evidence at the scene_This Case Bothers me From reading what is known _I cannot find anything in the facts surrounding the case that indicates any thing other than the deceased families obvious determination to blame cahill for their relatives death It even shows necessity and revenge In these scenarios it is easy to speculate what all is not being said and that’s where the hidden Truth Lies in my opinion of course a persons relatives would omit other known occasions .we know by reading they happened given what is presented,another thing that fails to surface in this is Weinekes daughter if such despite is still held against cahill -Why? even More what was the Child witnessing in her fathers behavior what was she hearing in her mothers distress over an affair and what was she hearing at her grandmothers house ,That so clearly shows a families need to cast the entire distress of the family by the events occurring Yet Not even Remotely lays blame to the childs Father for causing nor contributing to their grief -the Mother understandable favors her son but he clearly was a Large part of his familys distress -What was he telling his family that was fueling their animosity upon her to leave consideration of other suspects out of the Question. Makes me wonder who is being left out of this equation that carried out a threat- I find it hard to believe given the Known facts surrounding Mr Weinekes death that his behavior was not making quite a few enemies ,and I believe the parties who would file erroneous statements and claims that would later be determined false was hearing the same in a ongoing way We Know in a childs mind would not be discriminating as to discerning the whole truth what she was hearing,but would be accepting as fact what her relatives were saying among themselves ,We Know memories Change and given the Stress and grief of her dads death would we be hearing her family discuss and blame ,this same childwould not have reason to question what she was hearing in a judicial way -causing her memories to be more based on her understanding of what other members of her family were saying_We cannot come to a time where courts can Execute the tenets of Law on this Clearly obvious Bias-which then becomes the sole element by which to sentence a person to life with out parole and call this JUSTICE! I am Seeing Some Similarities in other cases that should be cause for everyones concern , not to mention what appears on social media to seed the public in a way we can best coin Covert manipulation,knowing full well the desired effect one who does this would be wanting to attain by using this method of poisoning the pot shall we say detracting from the Integrity of the defense in a way that clearly shows the similarity between the submission of statements that were proven false in an earlier hearing, Our Hopes and Prayers are Solely For Justice & Truth Based upon what we know so far _ Any Court that could hand down a judgement with no EVIDENCE Whatsoever to Substantiate the GUILT of the defendant in this case with the added erroneous statements made to the court -in lieu of their proven falseness! Should be cause for EVERYONES CONCERN! Personally I do understand the Deceased.s family their need for closure and they wish to see their relatives killer or killer’s brought to Justice !The Fact is 2 wrongs do not make a right nor does that in anyway resemble JUSTICE_to even consider that the lack of EVIDENCE is not COINCIDENTAL when you are accusing the wrong individual is it_IF the COURT hears the Evidence that likely still remains if the Guilty party was being tried -this also would most Likely bring new Evidence to light with guilty parties known associates. I only Pray That A grief does not cause a serious INJUSTICE before the Eyes of GOD Closure can never happen in this way And it by no means can be called JUST!
happy birthday in heaven corrine I so wish you would have been able to live you life and I pray they find the demonic evil person who took you to soon from your loved ones …
I wonder if someone did not care for her free spirit. She served her country, and someone decided she deserved to suffer maybe for some thing that she may have said or done. I like that the authorities have not released even basic details such if there were any signs of a forced entry, any signs of a struggle.
I wonder if she had any connection to the beating of Mr. Hieber. Since the incident took place in the same jurisdiction. I wonder why the landlord claimed he fell after getting out of the shower. Did she witness him falling down, was the floor wet leading to where he allegedly fell.
Brenda wouldn’t hurt a soul
Amanda, I like that his brother Dennis and a friend Michael Followill, were also involved in the robbery. But Jerry killed Mr. Horner. I guess stealing $5.25, was not enough. It sounds like something he might be connected to the murder of George Keller. I wonder if they ever followed up and interviewed him.
The other question is what happened to his brother Dennis and Mr. Followill. Did they ever do anytime for their involvement in the crime, which led to the death of Mr. Horner.
Mike died last year and denny lives in kville area…mike was my uncle and other 2 cousins…i have a strong belief Jerry did this one too
They did some time but not alot
Jerry was interviewed somewhat recently and of course, he denies having anything to do with George’s murder.
Mr Kerrigan I’m the one who turned States evidence on them for murdering Mr. Horner. I want you to know that they are responsible for more murders .when I got Mike to tell me what happened I was so horrified learning about Mr. Horner death that when he told me that there were others all I could say over and over was how could you guys do that.
Harold Horner, George Keller and Lloyd Patrick
I can promise you they did chicken George’s murder but I can’t prove it also Jerry made sure they each did one so they wouldn’t tell on each other I heard them fighting about it one night.
Alice,
Would you be willing to speak to me privately through email?
acornett@sio.midco.net
Angie
I believe it was Jerry Broughton who committed this crime but cant be proven
He is in Fort Madison Prison for the murder of Harold Horner from Russell, Ia.
Is there anything official that is documented publicly that shows that authorities mishandled the DNA or have a poor unusable sample? I see comments mentioning it, but nothing to back it up. I guess it’s possible they don’t have any DNA from Bierbodt to compare it to. Maybe this will be yet another one of those cases solved when a family member does one of those ancestry DNA tests, inadvertently connecting the dots.
I lived in Adel
I was born in 1974, this scared my parents and all my friends
What kind of photo is that? What the hell… O____o
Chief, thanks for willingness to help with this case. Maybe, you can provide some insight into her case that can help the Meskwakie Police find her. The other question, is there any video of her at this casino. I wonder if she normally hung out there. Did she have a routine of going to the casino, on certain days of the week.
Sheriff Mike Kubik….a good man. May God Bless all who have been directly effected. RIP Angela Buck.
I am an Apache woman, and also am an intertribal investigator/profiler. I will not comment on my observations of the tribal chairman, or the Meskwakie Police Department. However, if I can assist Rita’s family in any way, keep the money! I don’t want it. My sister, Rita, is missing now four years, and I actually care. Ahe’he…
Come up and help.. our family would appreciate it.
If you can help us we would appreciate it. I would like to get in contact with you. I am Rita’s mother, Iris Roberts.
He looks like someone that works at the joslin Tyson’s with a small cross scar in the middle of his head goes by juif I think that’s how they spell it
I vaguely remember her, for I was only 6 years old when the murder occurred. She lived with my brother, and it seems like she used to babysit me but I can’t clearly recall. I clearly remember talk within my family and I honestly believe that DNA testing should be done on any evidence that is still around from the scene of the crime.
There’s an old adage that goes…
“The apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree.”
I grew up in Dubuque Iowa and it’s said to say we have a lot of great history here. Some of these murders have to be solved I’m friends with 1 of the victims this is injustice for the families. Let them have some closure
Geez.. You never know who you work for. I worked at Certified Pest Control for Donna & Dave Fraley like 23 years ago. I worked out of their home prior to them even buying the building on 16th Ave; they actually had bought the building while I work for them. Haley would of been 15-16 at the time. She was a happy kid. Donna was a great Mom to her. I remember Donna saying she was Haley’s step Mom, but I don’t think she ever mentioned anything else about Haley’s Mom. She just said she’d raised Haley since she was a toddler. It’s been a long time ago and I only worked there about a year. I know at the time I worked for them they attended church and Dave did not drink anymore. I do remember Dave saying he had been an alcoholic and almost lost the business when he was younger. Never thought to much about it. I hope that the family finds peace and am glad that they were able to reconnect with Haley.
good for him. I hope that he feels better after talking care of his frist wife.she would have nevet left her daughter with him. OPEN THE CASE BACK UP. IT’S BRING HER HOME
Some sort of an official timeline would be useful. I get this from the articles and comments:
11/12/15 11:00 AM Cedar Rapids – Josh is dropped off by his mother and sister at the ASAC office. A comment said there are multiple locations and that’s true. I looked and there are 4, so an address would be useful.
11/12/15 – Time Unknown, but presumably after Josh was done at ASAC, he went to a store and purchased a stuffed animal for his daughter. His mother finds it and assumes it was purchased at Walmart. How certain is she that he bought it that day?
11/12/15 – Time Unknown, but later in the day Josh was last seen alive on a surveillance camera at the US Cellular Building in Cedar Rapids. Exact location is unknown.
11/13/15 – 11/16/15 – What happened these 3 days? At what point did family become concerned?
11/16/15 – Josh is reported missing to the Cedar Rapids Police.
12/3/15 – Pretrial for 3 pending charges he had for a controlled substance violation, a possession of controlled substance – 3rd offense, and possession of drug paraphernalia. A Failure To Appear Warrant is issued for his arrest.
Better location and times are needed. I hope someone can improve on this.
16th ave sw asac and i dont know for sure just looking for closure i know that but some say theyve been told the cops know hes gone just not where but idk anything for sure just what it seems like
I wonder what his cell phone records or app / social media showed. Since he was dropped off I imagine he either didn’t have a vehicle, or didn’t have a valid drivers license. He must have had some people that were his go-to for ride requests that he called, texted, or messaged online. I can only assume that the police have that information and it points to the last person he was in communication with. That information made public would jeopardize things. He doesn’t seem like the kind of guy that would just take off and leave everything behind to avoid treatment and jail time.
Theyres been comments on his fb page justice for josh id go there and just search the page for last place i saw him and itll fill u in thats what i ended up doing
The one on 16th Ave in cr
I myself being the cousin that Found David after taking his own life would like to know why we can not find out more going on. Everything says to continue 2018. We are over half way through the 2019 Year. What is the hang up that they are holding back for is my only question. Is it so he can stay at a federal vacation joint and not have to sit where he belongs or somewhere that is not a vacation for him? SMH on this so called Justice system….
I read the article on two different sitea and no one mentions anything about the fact that.dead body smells like hell itself. How is it possible that no one noticed that something smelled terribly off in that place?
There seems to be a lot of speculation or finger pointing. Most people want or hope for the person or persons believed to be the perpetrator to go away. Sometimes things aren’t always what it seems . I wasn’t born yet when this took place. If it were me and I knew for certain a person was guilty, I want to make sure that individual has zero chance of walking free. So that being said I suggest considering ( area, time line, manner of death, demographics and what law enforcement agencies were working the case at the time. Evidence is always going to trump motive. This young woman was stabbed and tied up. April 12 1965, Janice Snow 16 was tied up and stabbed to death. Another female Judy Corbin stabbed just months before Leota Camp. Romona Cox also stabbed to death three years before Janice. All but one murder had taken place in or within a 3 mile radius of downtown. All but one was seen with a white male age 21 to 30. I don’t want to make assumptions out of respect for the victims family and loved ones pursing justice or very least closure. I’m somewhat convinced Leota (may) have been an unintended target. There (may) have been someone in her area into illegal activity and the killer or a shady neighborhood mistaken her description for the intended target. In those days there was no internet, or smart phones. Very limited police force and no advanced forensics. The only hope was observant neighbors. Even then they had lives too. I’m not saying there was a serial killer. Likely criminal activity, wrong place, wrong time or all three. Just my perspective
Who do you need to talk to in order to have someone else checked for committing this crime? My sister told me about this case this evening and she told me who she thought might have done it and I agree it is a possibility.
I dont know this family but i pray for them. I pray they find out the truth. It doesn’t matter how much time has passed to get the truth.. the truth will show one day. Just look at that case where the body was in no frills FOR 10 YEARS…
I strongly believe that things that happen in the dark comes to light sooner or later!!
God bless
I’m so sorry to hear about Larry, very sad, and I am praying for his family to be able to cope with their tragic loss. Actually it’s a loss for all of us. “No man is an island…”
I too, am surprised that the store management and employees, and especially the detectives didn’t search there while looking for him, especially since it was an area employees used. Really odd actually – not a great job, we must do better to help people in distress! Were they too tired or too busy to look everywhere on the property? And the spot described was such a safety hazard, why did store management not fix it? OSHA should have been notified and slapped them with safety violations. I wonder if the family has any recourse for a negligence or other claim. Until money is involved, no changes will come or they will be made very slowly. There are so many young people like this that are suffering with mental health issues, and we still are not doing enough to help them before these tragedies occur.
RIP Larry, you won’t be forgotten by us:)
Blessings,
Amy
Houston, TX
You ever to go. Back and look at some of your old cases you’ll realize they can solve alot of newer ones
If he was shot in self defense who shot him? Idk maybe it’s just me but that makes no sense.
Prayers
Such a handsome young man. Tragic
Outrageous! All of this time has passed. A photo of the quilt may be of some help. How absolutely horrific for this young man to die in such a way!
Two names: Bobby Hughes, and Derrick Holmes come to mind. They are the ones who grabbed Joe and took him to the place where he was murdered.
Yep!
Have you said something to the cops about this
The cops know. It’s just that they need more evidence to convict.
Sad. The driver should’ve stopped.
Has anyone ever found out if this lady is still alive?
Throw his bones over the wall. Make America Great Again.
America is a shithole. Ain’t nothing making it great given it never was. If anything white gold need to get the chuck out as it’s the natives that owned it alll
You better not be living here then you trashbag traitor!
Throw your bones back to Europe with your ancestors came from and make our America great again
The Indians in North America got conquered. That’s how the world was in those days. Get over it.
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The article is out now and has confirmed his identity. Such a sad story!
I didn’t know this family but am just so saddened by all of this. I hope his family is able to find peace now and they can finally properly lay him to rest. :(
This happened back when the state of Iowa was a baby. Not much more on this case can be done.
At least for having a living suspect that is
My heart goes out to Monica. I am sorry that somebody knows what truly happened with your father. I feel like the whole police thing is just a cover up.to protect the coppers. I pray that there is a loophole where they could possibly help you out. You deserve answers.
Rest in Peace to Your Father
Thank you so much
There is more to this than what has mentioned hear ! The police chief got investigated by the FBI and later got removed from that position!
Can you prove that or show some documentation?
Poor little girl…shame on Iowa police. They didn’t do anything to solve this case…☹
“If you have any information about Myrtle Cook’s unsolved murder…” come on guys…are you kidding me? Do you really think somebody could have any information about a murder that took place in 1925?
That’s absolutely impossible! 😶
Just a update on this case Eileen is now deceased she died in 2015.
Has this Jason person ever came forward with what he may know about my Uncle murder? Jason if you are seeing this please contact me or the agency listed. You can contact me at (608)-632-5871 Please if anyone has any information contact me or better yet the agency you never know even a little detail could open this case wide open and my dad and the rest of the family can finally put this to rest and my uncle can finally rest in peace.
41 years and we his family still have no answers and my dad has no justice
Has anybody acknowledged Paul Rayer’s relative, Tina F.? It seems like she has something to talk about. Even if it pans out to nothing, she has been affected by this too. My condolences to both families.
My grandparents were from Mapleton. What was Mr. and Mrs. Carley’s first names??
I follow everything, in fact my sister taught at your elementary school. I can’t put all my thoughts here, they would fill a book. But I have cried for you and Paul and the others many times. I met your mother and of course read WJCC. This is a bit of something that has always bothered me. Where can I add a photo of a car?
I’d also be curious about the identity of the mysterious Denver drug kingpin. How come nobody can tell us a name?? If one of the victims had rolled over on this guy—- well he’d be looking at a long prison sentence and that’s definitely a motive
Its so incredibly said that there is such little information on a baby whose life was cut so short. I know its not this websites fault but if it was due to just a disease alone it wouldn’t of been ruled a homicide, maybe negligent homicide from the sounds of it.
According to this account in 2011, the DNA found at the crime scene excluded the Veach family. However, DNA testing advances could actually identify the killer of this horrific crime using the new techniques of comparing crime scene dna to public dna websites. Cold cases are being solved every day with this new approach. Law enforcement needs to use this dna to find the killer.
Wondering didn’t anyone see somebody ? Mother or Aunt ? Very Sad for these little ones. Praying for Justices.
She was my girlfriend back in grade school. Used to hold her hand on the school bus. She went to the same junior high school I did but was too shy to reintroduce myself to her. Big regret on my part. Maybe we could have reconnected.
Thanks so much for sharing this with us, David! These personal remembrances serve as great reminders that those included here on the website are so much more than just names and case numbers!
I am missing you everyday praying and wishing that they would solve your murderer or somebody would come forward I hear now our son sir David is having a daughter in October the first of your grandchildren Darius is about to leave to the Middle East for the Marines I pray every day that he comes home safely we miss you so much and wish somebody would come forward
Even when it happened, after a certain number of months it gets classified as a cold case due to the fact that unless it’s solved within the first 48 hours, the likelihood that it will get solved diminishes greatly, thus the term “cold case”. This term in no way should be construed to mean that they will stop following up on leads etc. It does mean that the likelihood of attaining things such as physical evidence drops considerably after even just 48 hours.
That’s not accurate AT ALL. It’s not considered “cold” until leads dry up to almost nothing.
Quoting an online dictionary:
“A cold case is an unsolved criminal investigation which remains open pending the discovery of new evidence.”
From Wikipedia:
“A cold case is a crime, or a suspected crime, that has not yet been fully resolved and is not the subject of a current criminal investigation, but for which new information could emerge from new witness testimony, re-examined archives, new or retained material evidence, or fresh activities of a suspect. New technological methods developed after the crime was committed can be used on the surviving evidence to analyse causes, often with conclusive results.”
Still looking for answers
How sad !! Over stupid drugs your taking life. Praying for all . No matter how old the case is.
What does YOA stand for ?
Years of age
Schwiesow is dead. Dec 19, 2018.
https://siouxcityjournal.com/news/local/obituaries/jimmy-r-schwiesow/article_c19e23de-d98e-5d91-b099-82769ab454d6.html
Jim F., thanks so much for letting me know. I’ve updated Lisa’s page to reflect that info.
All best, Jody at ICC
I don’t appreciate some people making fun at a family friend who was murdered thanks. I want it solved as much as his family does, I still have issues sleeping around that time of year and it breaks my heart to know his killer is still around living and free. Chad was like a part of the family and I saw how it affected Dixie. That’s so unfair.
Love you Dad, Been missing you every day for years.
I’m so sorry for your loss!
Praying for justice!!
This is a heart breaking case. Justice will prevail ultimately. Thoughts and Prayers to the family.
I think about this case often. The house where this happened still stands unfortunately. It is in disrepair and the windows are painted over. After 50+ years the likelihood of solving this murder are slim to none. Let karma take care of the perpetrator and may Patricia rest in peace.
The house is now gone and a new house is in its place…
No DNA was collected from Radio City Mobile Home park across the street from her apartment. No description of the blanket either. I pray for justice.
I really enjoyed reading all of these comments, scenarios, and opinions.
Thank you all.
We watched the Dateline episode. We are of the opinion that Jason did murder his mom. He shows no tears or emotion, only steadfast adamant behaviour to convince the authorities that he is innocent. He is an adultery plus a murderer. His wife stays……she is nuts! Get yourself a divorce. If the tables were turned, Jason would be long gone!
I think they need to investigate the 3 people that one of the neighbors had told the officer about like the man who told her that he had did the murder the man named joe and the 2 other guys that had helped him why haven’t they been questioned and checked into there had to have been finger prints or something and how can they charge a man for murder when they have no murder weapon just wondering I still think Jason carter is a innocent man and they should do a little more investigation on the joe guy and his 2 buddy’s prayers that the family will realize that the son did not murder his mother and maybe by the grace of the good lord above the father and the rest of the family will maybe just maybe have a heart and realize that the mother wouldn’t want the family to fall apart when wrongly accused of something that wasn’t true I’m sure that the mother would be very very sad to know that the father was treating his own flesh and blood the way he is without any evidence to prove what actually happened to her that day other then what the detectives lead them to believe prayers and love from my family to there’s hopefully someday they can put there family back together
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I’m with Frank on this one. I’ve always thought the exact same thing.
And tonight I watched the continuance of the same story.
I can’t believe they haven’t arrested the real killers of Mrs Carter.
Bad Police work, and they simply don’t want to take any responsibility.
The husband was the last one to see her before the son found her. And when the husband got to the house he said aw Shirley and kissed her. I find that a little bizaar. The son was extremly emotional. The husband got all the money when the wife died. Husband planned it.
I agree with you. For some reason I just feel the husband did it and made darn sure the son got blamed for it.
I also agree with you! LE screwed up this case so much I think they created the timeline of her death to match Bills timeline of his movements. I think Bill set up his own son and tried to seal his fate by filing the civil lawsuit way before trial of Jason. Bill thought the civil suit would help get Jason convicted. Ignoring the confession of the brothers as well as not disclosing that info to all parties is criminal. Bill obviously has his favorite children and to heck with the rest. I hope Jason gets Justice.
Love you Trish I know it mean so much for you to be able to get some closure 💔💔
A Vicki Lynn Harrell (26) was found naked and strangled on Monday, August 14, 1972, two days after leaving work at a Bloomington, Indiana K-Mart on Saturday, August 12, 1972. Also, her body was found in a water filled ditch. Supposedly the initials (KN) had been carved into her body.
Also, supposedly an investigator with the Indiana State Police believes that the offender in her case, was transient and may be connected to similar murders in Pennsylvania & Maryland. All the other victims , were from college towns, and had initials carved into their bodies. The initials are different. I have been unable to find any information on these other cases. The is no mention of initials being carved in to Sheila body.
Im interested as a Hossack from Cromarty Rosshire
does anyone know where Margaret was born?
Steve, the book Midnight Assassin states that Margaret (Murchison) Hossack was a native of Ross Shire, Scotland, born Nov. 19, 1843, and that at the age of five, she traveled with her family to North America. Not sure if that helps, but thought I’d put it out there.
This is my beautiful aunt in law. My husband grew up hearing about his aunt but never got to meet her. One day I pray they finally have enough evidence to get the guy we think did this.
This breaks my heart. He was 100% killed by his friends and they are ridiculous for not looking for foul play when the evidence was still there. Forever praying.
I am a cyclist from Fairfield and often ride to small rural towns just to check them out for fun. In about 2015 I visited Mystic and after simply riding up and down the main drag a few times a local gent came roaring up in his pickup and asked me what I was doing, sort of gruffly. It surprised me being greeted with suspicion but after conversing the chat was cordial enough. I kind of understand now….years later after reading this. I’d be suspicious of a stranger in town too. Blessings to Mystic.
Let’s all post Brian’s missing persons flyer in all Missing persons groups to bring awareness to his demise..I’m shocked he didnt have ine..so I had one made
Briand Burns is missing Jerry burns in not let’s keep moving forward to find Brian M.Burns..dint ket Jerry Burns oblvershadow Brian this isnt right imo
Any updates? ,this is his 1st wife
I was wondering if he was a veteran. He would have been eligible for the draft in October 1971. I beat my draft notice by a week, by joining the Navy. My birthday was #2 in the draft pulled in 1970.
If he was a veteran, the VA, should be able to show if he visited any of their facilities.in the time he disappeared.
Here’s an AP story that ran in 1986:
DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) _ The mother of missing paperboy Johnny Gosch said Tuesday that both she and police know who abducted her son four years ago and that police are ″doing everything within their legal boundaries″ to arrest them.
Noreen Gosch said she has known the identities of three Des Moines men and a pedophile ″contact″ in Houston for six months, and that her knowledge has caused numerous threats against members of her family.
She declined to identify the men. Lt. Lyle McKinney of the West Des Moines police, who has worked on the Gosch disappearance, said he was aware of Mrs. Gosch’s statements but would have no comment.
″The Johnny Gosch disappearance case is an active investigation,″ he said. ″We will act on any information furnished to us.″ He would not say if police know the identities of the abductors.
Mrs. Gosch had vague answers to several questions, saying her news release had ″hidden messages″ that the abductors would understand. She said there was a risk that the kidnappers would try to flee but ″that would be revealing, too, wouldn’t it?″
Gosch disappeared while preparing to deliver Sunday newspapers near his West Des Moines home Sept. 5, 1982.
″We now have evidence providing the identity (of the abductors),″ Mrs. Gosch said. ″The crime was organized. We know who these people are and where they are located. We have received very serious threats to members of the family concerning this aspect of the investigation. It is in our best interest to bring this information out to the public.″
She said that the abductors know she knows who they are but may not know that she has also told police.
The family, she said, has cancelled its offer of a $200,000 reward for information leading to Johnny’s whereabouts. Rewards from other sources still are available, she said.
Mrs. Gosch has been strongly critical of police efforts to find her son in the past, but she said police are now cooperating. ″Police have been apprised of every development,″ she said.
She wouldn’t say what is being done to apprehend the men, however. ″At this time, they are doing everything within their legal boundaries. We know who they are. I can’t comment on what’s happening legally.
″There’s a lot I can’t tell you,″ she said.
Holy buckets! In Houston? Houston is where Roger Matice lived before he went to prison. Roger Matice is the guy accused of assaulting the paper boy in Cedar Rapids.
You guys stop with the whole Roger Dean Mattice thing. Good Lord!!!! Yes he was a pedo in the area but so were tons of other people in the area at the time probably thousands. Go listen to Sarah Dimeo’s Faded Out podcast to understand what happened in the case. Yellowbag thank you for all the work you have done with Sarah on the case.
If any of this were true, there would have been arrests and a resolution not long after… Unfortunately, I believe Noreen became susceptible to people putting ideas into her head, and as time went on and the case remained unsolved, she was more willing to accept that a grand conspiracy and cover-up was the only logical reason it hasn’t been solved. It’s very sad, and I feel horrible for her, but logically the stories she has told over the years don’t add up. Once Bonacci surfaced in 89, the whole case really went off the rails.
It’s shame that this has gone on this long without any closure for the family, me included. I just hope that one day soon it will be over. Kathy was first married to my brother back in the early ’60’s and I knew her and her family pretty well and she was the mother to my niece and nephew who are both in their mid 50’s, I know that it would be of some comfort to put this case to bed and find justice for Kathy… praying for closure
I understand . I shutter everyday I walk by the suspect’s house. I even planted a large bush near my windows that face his upstairs bedroom window so I don’t have to see it when I open my drapes. It’s a constant daily reminder. Kathy talked of her relationship with your brother. I knew the story. She really cared about him even though they broke up. The funeral was disturbing when they chased the suspect out of Hamilton’s. Without his late fathers alibi ..I think he would have been charged. Sad .
He actually worked that whole day with my kids dad’s blood brother he said he acted not right and kept leaving the job site to probably call his mom to help quarterback came through this murder while using a payphone from wherever he was working that day never thought about finding out where they worked to get phone records pulled from the pay phone at the gas station close to where they were working that might be something new they can pull phone records from that far back that day to see if he contacted his mother.
Thank you Kelly for your support and hope to find the killer that did this to our mom 🙏 God bless you for your kind words .
Hugs and prayers to all, he needs to pay for his crime!!
Not sure how they say no connection between this man and the woman who was also found at the bottom of her stairs, had no connection? It’s easy with only a cursory look on the web on a bored evening to find it. .. But not my job. I’m not going to be the next one found at the bottom of stairs in Mapleton.
I have numerous questions regarding this case. Here are two: Did the eyewitnesses at Ashworth and 42nd see the Birge’s car make a left turn from Marcourt onto 42nd. What kind of car was Chris’ father driving that morning?
Throughout this whole ordeal locals have known two things:
A – Shirley & Bill’s son Jason has a very negative reputation and it wouldn’t be aberrant for him to kill his mother for something he believed was rightly his. This is greatly in line with his reputed personality.
B – Law enforcement, particularly Sheriff Sandholt, mishandled a great deal of this case that gifted the defense with more than reasonable doubt and allowed Mr. J Carter to be freed of any criminal charges.
This case will likely never be solved because of double jeopardy laws.
It is heartbreaking to know it will go on as “”unsolved”. It is frightening to know we are not safe. I found out the jury didn’t have a choice on the guilty or not guilty given the fact the investigation was awful, including the sheriff tipping off the main dishevt of a search warrant, evidence not collected, lack of following frivolous leads resulted in the jurors as instructed to by the judge, to come back with a not guilty verdict due to a lack of a full investigation.
None of this so-called expatory evidence was new to the defendant, extended family, his friends, nor his attorneys. As a matter of fact a few of his friends helped create the scenario, whether or not he knew before or after..he knew by December 2015. I am unable to share those publicly as I was not a part of the conversations. It would be illegal for me to do so. It wouldn’t be like getting away with murder, but I’m confident I’d be charged immediately, sued, convicted, and imprisoned. I wish so much I could share all I know.
My Aunt’s birthday would be June 10th. She was murdered June 19th, 2015, so
It is a rough time right now for her family.
New Facebook page created this morning:
https://www.facebook.com/login/?next=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fgroups%2F2898183960322297%2F
Jody Ewing should be cited as author of this case summary. I had started it, but she added so much to it and put on all the finishing touches. Thank you, Jody, for taking time to do that. I want you to have full credit for your work.
I’m so sorry that one year later, this case is still unsolved, and so sad for the loss of this young man, so loved and treasured, so missed, so senselessly taken from this world.
Carol, you know neither of us are in this for the credit. I just added his obit and used your blog post to include Tyrese on a case summary page. It really is haunting that his case remains unsolved. We have so many senseless murders on here, but these young kids with such bright futures always hit particularly hard. You did a fantastic job of tracking down the articles and getting the photos, and your blog post introduced us right away to this amazing young man. Thank you for getting his name out there and letting the family know he’s not been forgotten.
I just want to get the word out there Tyrese aka Willy kill still is running free I am going to go through the day I will never forget ok so i was woke up by my daughter saying willy was in trouble and needed help at first i thought she was lying cause they did it before but when i got up and seen she was not playing i jumped in my car my daughter shyere Anthony and shyere older brother jumped in too his other brother stayed back at my house i was yelling for them to tell me where he was than shyere told Anthony come on tell her or something like that than Anthony took me rite to where he was there was a man in the drive way when I pulled up he just asked me if I know him as I am jumping out my car that I forgot to put in park so had to jump back in and I am saying did you call 911 he never answered me but he didn’t when I got over to this boy that is like one of my own I seen he was gone and had been gone for a long time I was screaming for someone to get me a phone as I left mine cause I just jumped out of bed didn’t even have shoes on I got a phone yelling trying to get the address felt like forever there was only one lady that came out to help me cause I am trying to get 911 the address and console my daughter who is his bestfriend and she is puking and screaming for me to help him got her to call his step mom cause that’s the only number she had to have her get his dad there his glasses and phone was taking off him before he got help that now has been found they was with one of the boys that was with him no one is talking and I know ppl know what happened and if any of you really love him and are holding stuff from the police you dont really love him he was left laying on that sidewalk for hours before he got any help and ppl knew where he was and didn’t get help for hours I cant keep my mouth shut anymore it’s almost been a year and nothing is done sorry if this makes anyone mad but this is what happened that day when i woke up now someone needs to speak on what happened before he got help
He was the Love of my sister Marie’s life at one time, many many many years ago.
Why oh why would someone do this? I pray that the person responsible will be found.
Clarice, as our unending prayers…Thank you.
This is a cold-case from Pittsburg County, OK, from 1995. The young man in the facial reconstruction is thought to have been in his early 20’s, which is the right age.
Am I the only one who think this looks both like Johnny Gosch and also a bit like his father?
https://s1064.photobucket.com/user/Robdye/library
The Gosches also submitted dental and genetic records for johnny. Maybe OK couldnt do gene tests in 1995. They could do so now with the cadaver. Can you check? I have no background onOK case.
Great man crazy funny but great man
Harmless and good hearted Steve
CEDAR RAPIDS — Two men, already serving prison terms, and one woman were charged Wednesday in federal court for the robbery and death of a Marion man who went missing May 31, 2014.
Federal prosecutors wouldn’t say what new evidence law enforcement may have received to result in filing charges nearly five years after James Booher, 51, was reported missing by his sister June 3. His truck was found abandoned June 9.
Marion police in 2015 considered Booher a homicide victim but no charges for his death have been filed until Wednesday.
Matthew Robbins of 44, of Ely, William L. Yancey and Danielle Busch, 29, of Cedar Rapids, are charged in U.S. District Court with robbery affecting interstate commerce, conspiracy to commit robbery affecting interstate commerce and using, carrying and brandishing a firearm during a crime of violence resulting in murder, according to an indictment.
Busch pleaded not guilty Wednesday during an arraignment. Robbins and Yancey are already serving prison time for drug and firearm convictions. Robbins had been linked to Booher’s disappearance but he was only charged with firearms and drugs.
Robbins and Yancey, also serving time for drug offenses, haven’t been arraigned yet.
All three defendants are accused of robbing “J.B.” — Booher — of methamphetamine and money from the sales of drugs by force, violence and fear of injury, immediate and future to Booher on May 31, 2014, according to the indictment.
They are also accused of having a firearm during the robbery and fatally shooting Booher, according to the indictment. It doesn’t detail if there was more than one gun involved or if only one of them killed Booher but all are accused of participating in the crime.
The firearms charge is a “death constituting murder” charge under federal law, the indictment shows.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Lisa Williams, during Busch’s hearing, said this case was “capital death” eligible. In order to pursue the death penalty, U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions would have to approve it and Williams said they haven’t heard back from his office at this time.
Robbins was sentenced to 10 years in prison in 2016 for being a felon and unlawful drug user in possession of a firearm. Evidence from Robbins first trial, that ended in a hung jury, showed Robbins knew Booher and had purchased meth from him.
Robbins and another man robbed Booher about June 1, 2014 — the day after police say he was last seen alive, according to court documents in Robbins’ firearms case. Robbins and a friend identified as “D.B.” — Danielle Busch — purchased meth from Booher on May 31, 2014.
Booher and Busch used the meth and later contacted Booher to set up time to buy a larger quantity, according to court documents.
Booher went to Robbins’ home later that night and wasn’t seen after that visit, according to court documents. Another person went to Robbins home a day or two later, looking for Booher and Robbins greeted him at the door holding a .45 caliber handgun, the document showed.
In May 2015, during the investigation on Robbins, a forensics team that specializes in identifying human remains set up a dig site at a rural Ely farmhouse, where Robbins once lived, to search for evidence in Booher’s death, at the request of the Marion Police Department.
At that time, former Chief Harry Daugherty said he couldn’t provide details, only that it involved a federal drug-related homicide investigation.
Hello, this case should be listed as closed now Council Bluffs Police located this party deceased inside a closed grocery store he used to work at. He went into the freezer and climbed into an area and died of possible hypothermia.
Nick, I checked on-line and did not see any news story’s to backup that his remains had been recovered. It sounds plausible that he could have gone there since he may have had felt safe there for some reason. But, I would hope that the authorities would have checked the building as a part of their search.
https://www.ketv.com/article/body-found-between-shelving-coolers-council-bluffs-supermarket-larry-ely-murillo-moncada/26028756
https://www.wowt.com/content/news/Police-ID-body-found-at-vacant-No-Frills-in-January—death-ruled-accidental-513036681.html
He was found and identified
Here is the article https://www.nonpareilonline.com/news/local/police-announce-name-cause-of-death-for-body-found-in/article_12110290-ac94-11e9-9b7f-6bc33a504954.html?fbclid=IwAR27XhTgpf93NXuDx9RG1M7rRar3xj-RkLQxZWj277c_bI6LIw6ydcV_oXQ
How did you know it was him before he was identified?
I’m wondering if they checked the vehicles of the friends and family that were visiting the camping site(s)? It could have been someone he knew just trying to mess with him and hit him on accident and panicked. You see that kind of hijinx all the time in rural Iowa on gravel roads. Someone will swerve near you and try to kick up gravel or dust or just generally play chicken. Something like that could easily go wrong. Who left in a vehicle after him? Was there anyone that the people camping anticipated showing up to the campsite but never did? I find it odd that friends and family would just let him take off walking, but I know sometimes people just don’t want to be a bother and just slip away without saying goodbye.
I really don’t have anything to contribute to this but I did want to say that headstone is stunning!!!
If anyone is interested she’s married. Her name is Dawn M Marcotte from Farmington Minnesota.
This is what I find perplexing, How does a naked person running around especially in a rural area not draw attention of somebody. I grew up in a small town and Iowa and anything even remotely out of the ordinary and people are calling the cops. Why did she want the insurance money so badly? I think she had something to do with his murder. Not saying she pulled the trigger, but I think she definitely knows more than she’s letting on…
I follow Iowa Cold Cases on facebook. I saw the post about these two girls and wondered if there might have been an update. What I find is a lot of “evidence” of disrespect, allegations, and even some cruelty. No family deserves this to happen to their child. The responsible person might be someone that their families were acquainted with, but it could have been a stranger (doesn’t happen as often, but it does happen).
If you think someone might be a suspect, contact the authorities rather than putting someone’s name on public forums. Make sure you have facts to support your suspicions. It is sad that we have turned into a society that tears other people down rather practice, “innocent until proven guilty”.
You know what needs to be focused on? Factual evidence to find out who did this and helping this family find some kind of peace. No one in this world is perfect, so before you point out the “flaws” in these families, make sure you take a look at yourself, your family, and “flaws” that you have.
Seriously. Too bad this is the internet, which means it’s an absolute haven for baseless speculation and rumormongering. Sometimes anonymity allows for people to devolve into their worst selves. Cases like this deserve to be looked at closely by objective professionals— not by laymen who are only interested in using it as an excuse to slander the family or strangers without any evidence to support their wild assertions.
I’m writing a book about the case, with the emphasis on old newspaper accounts, as well as the developments that have unfolded over the past two years.
Where did you come up with the 37 stops / deliveries? Just curious.
Hello Brad. Des Moines Register microfilm article.
Nice!
I can understand the family members commenting in defense of Lennon, but you can’t blame people for considering the possibility that he was involved or knew something.
There have been a number of missing persons cases where the car is eventually found in a body of water. One that sticks out to me was in Byron Center, MI. A man’s body was inside a car in a small lake in the city for nearly 10 years before it was noticed. You could even see it in google maps. I’m curious to know the places she frequently drove to. With that information you could check the driving routes from her home to see how many bodies of water she passed. Maybe she had an accident and drove into water without anyone noticing.
The fact she left without her purse could mean she left against her will, left with grim intentions, or quite simply forgot it.
Maybe it’s possible that the date in the Social Security Death Index is just a mistake? I don’t think anything negative of Lennon’s obituary saying his wife preceded him in death in May 2005. What I’m curious of is how active in the investigation was he? Was he staying at home waiting and chilling or was he out and about looking on his own and making an effort?
Wow…there is no better picture of her? I know newspaper articles don’t transfer well but this poor soul deserves to be remembered as she was in life.
That being said….this is my first post but I am addicted to this site. You folks at ICC really care about these victims and their families. God Bless you for that.
This Is An extreme problem Which continues On! How Sad
Yes. Can’t filter out the growing contaminants their decontaminants, and very carcinogenic cyanotoxins.
Since supposedly the cause of death is considered undetermined, it will be hard case to investigate. He was just traveling around with no particular place to go. But his vehicle gets towed from the rest area, several weeks before.
Yet, his skeletal remains were found several hundred yards behind the rest stop. So something happened. It could be that he got in some confrontation with someone at the rest stop, and they killed him.
They found his clothes, but no wallet, money, car keys, or even credit cards on him. So, unless that stuff was left in the vehicle, then he could have been robbed and then killed.
I wonder if he had any credit cards, and when they were last used. It could be that maybe he was carrying large amount of cash. But since there is no clear time of death, then we can determined when he originally stopped there.
I don’t understand how the Clark County authorities decided that it was an accident. It appears that they did not want to take the time to conduct an investigation. I guess seeing the clean undamaged wheelchair parked outside in the snow, did not click with any of them. I guess they normally see wheelchairs parked in 8 inches of snow at numerous fires.
I my neck of the woods, the fire departments routinely conduct an investigation to determine the cause of a fire. If someone was seriously injured or found dead, there would be a major investigation. They would be not be stating it was accidental fire, within a day. That’s why there is a State Fire Marshal, also they could have called in the ATF, to assist.
I am sure that he as a smoker contributed to their assumption. They must have assumed that he left a cigarette, that was not properly extinguished, and it fell on to the couch. But, the elephant in the room is still that wheelchair sitting in 8 inches of snow outside, while the person who uses it is dead in his bedroom. Why was a rush to judgement? Was there another fire or fires to deal with? Too many questions that Clark County and others need to answer.
I’ve only recently became interested in Josh’s disappearance because of postings on Facebook and seeing the Facebook group. Crazy enough, I realized that I actually know him, but haven’t seen him since August of 1994. At that time he was living in a house sort of close to Seminole Valley Park in Cedar Rapids if I recall. I realize that date only because I remember Woodstock 1994 was going on and he said he wished he was there right now.
I have so many questions the Facebook group doesn’t seem to ever really touch on. Here they are.
1. I’ve seen that he had either drug or alcohol abuse issues in the past and had treatment. Apparently the last place he was seen by his family was when he was dropped off at an ASAC treatment center. ASAC has multiple locations in Cedar Rapids. What is the address of the one he was dropped off at?
2. It says he was last seen by surveillance cameras at the US Cellular Building. Again, which one? The US Cellular Center in downtown Cedar Rapids? The US Cellular call center in over by Lindale Mall? Or one of the many retail locations?
3. Where was he living at the time? Articles make it sound like he was living with his mom. He is always referred to as “Vinton Man”. Was he living in Vinton or living in Cedar Rapids?
4. Was there a receipt in the Walmart bag to see the time he made the purchase? If he was living in Vinton that would have taken him out of Cedar Rapids and maybe he went missing in Benton County.
5. Looking him up in the Iowa Courts System you can see he had a pending possession of a controlled substance violation. He actually was supposed to have court not that long after he went missing, and since he didn’t show up he had, and still technically STILL has a warrant out for his arrest. This is probably the biggest red flag for me. What is the story of his bust? Was he busted with other people? Was he in over his head? Were there people who were afraid he was going to snitch? I’m guessing this is the way of thinking the family has since they are “Justice For Josh Wellman” instead of “Find Josh Wellman.” They seem like they already heavily assume foul play.
He never ran from his legal problems and his phone was a dud at some point. I do think the family knows possibly enough to claim justice instead of find or what not i wish i knew. The other info on him after the hard evidence with proof isnt as hardcore but i know if you read through his record it wasnt his first time in the system or facing time snitch would be furthest from the scenario. But i wish theyd tell us more, family and the law enforcement this case is truly to under told and if it could get the momentum most others have maybe wed all know more….i think conflict of interest or something is a big part….thanks for of you from me not family but close enough if u asked josh….i love n miss him and just want closure for myself too.
They should just take these punks out behind the barn and take care o them. They do everywhere else. They can do it here…
What punks are you referring to?
Schellt, I know someone who looks very similar to the girl in the picture. She has a lot of the same facial features, and she is now living very close to Davenport. I’m not 100% sure it’s her, but it looks very similar.
Hi I saw ur comment do u know this person’s name and social media?
Who is this person do u know them
what really disturbs me is he is in that vehicle obviously stressed out and no one is near him talking to him and if you look to the left the firefighters are sitting there bullshitting and smiling. I mean wtf
I was a friend of Vicki’s. I stay and went to many parties there. Lillian was a very friendly caring person as I remember. The town, friends, and relatives were devastated by this tragedy. I still have Vicki and my confirmation picture. I think of her with sadness.
thank you Jane from Vicki & myself!
it means more than you’ll ever know when someone remembers our Mom
George was a friend of my dad’s for many years and we used to visit often. As young children, we always knew him as Chicken George. Our thoughts go out to his family and other friends.
It bugs me that someone shares information with the police, and it appears that they don’t follow-up on it. It sort of goes along with comments that some people connected with the newspaper might have been pedophiles.
However, law enforcement would either have the present owner of the property to offer them access to check the area. But, then they would need more information to obtain a search warrant. They would then need to bring in ground penetrating radar, or cadaver dogs, to see if they might him on an odor.
But, it still requires them to research this guys background. So, they may not want to make the effort based on him supposedly being creepy. However, I would think that they could pass it off to a retired investigator to see what he can find.
I just wanted to relay some info I found in the comments section of a Youtube video about Eugene Martin. It’s good to keep all the clues or possible leads in one place.
A woman named Pamela Hobbs left an interesting comment on a Youtube video about Eugene Marin. She said quote “I lived in Des Moines Iowa when those boys disappeared and I remember an older guy that lived on 5th ave in Des Moines called my husband that back then did concrete work, he had him pour concrete over a dirt basement floor which made it where you had to duck it wanted it really thick, the old guy also delivered papers to corners where paper boys picked up the newspapers, I’ll never forget that, that guy was just really odd to me, I told police about it, not one checked out that house on 3100 block of 5th ave in Des Moines Iowa”
So there you have a “creepy guy” that lived on the 3100 block of 5th ave in Des Moines that delivered papers to the paper drop spots, which means he worked for the Des Moines Register. He also had an abnormal slab of concrete poured in the basement.
I have to say, All coincidence? Probably not. People’s intuition or initial impressions of someone is normally always right. If someone strikes you as creepy, it’s normally for a reason in my experience.
Thank you for sharing this, and I agree, it’s good to keep all the clues or possible leads in one place. This woman sounds credible. “I told police about it,” she writes but “not one checked out that house”–does she know that for sure? Sounds like some excavating may be in order. (Carol at ICC)
Well not sure my brother jon g morris decessed now on his death bed said randy gurin danny crandle nozey did that and danny crandle was the one that pull the tricker and randy gurien work for him as a carpet layer helper or something. My brother passed away 5 or 6 years ago not sure weather to belive him but on his death bed we were not close i thought his marvins family should jo what iherd
Is DNA still available? I think it would be worth it, I know someone can not be charged for the same crime twice. Hope this murder can still be solved….for the family sakes.
My husband did the memorial video for Josh’s Funeral….a little boy who loved his super cape. I cried for this little one as that video was being done. How shameful that someone would leave the scene of the accident. It is hard to believe that no one seen anything. The Lord’s knows all and we know this is a little boy that Jesus welcomed too soon. I bet that super cape still flies.
This was a very tragic accident. There was a high school track meet going on at the time of the accident. Which was only a couple blocks away. It could’ve been a scared teen. I’m sure carrying the burden of this accident has got to be weighing on someone’s heart. Wish they would come forward so the Yoders can find some closure. This is one of the most loving and forgiving families.
My 22 yr old son moved to lowa in febof this yr.havent heard from him in 4 weeks.name is Allen parker
Mandy, where in Iowa did he move, and where are you? Is he on facebook at all? what information can you share with us to help you?
hi mandy i wold like to try and help you
An unsolved murder that should be listed in the Des Moines County page is the 1969 murder of 18-month-old Jeffrey J. Rose who had injuries to his genitals, buttocks, and head, with brain injury and a blood clot on the brain. He died after being “physically corrected” after his mother, Diana May Rose (who later became Diana May Miller) and her boyfriend, William Edward Miler, had used “physical correction” on him while toilet training him. William was criminally charged but acquitted. Diana married William while the case was going on.
I am going to post a few news articles here:
From the Boone News Republican, April 14, 1969 at page 5:
Study Charges in Child Death- BURLINGTON, Iowa (AP) — Additional charges may be filed against a man in the child beating case of a baby who died Sunday in Iowa City, authorities say.
Des Moines County Atty. Desmond Waples said he was studying Sunday what additional charged should be filed against William Edward Milar, 21, of Ottumwa. Milar was charged with assault with intent to do great bodily injury after doctors notified police Saturday that 18-month-old Jeffrey J. Rose had been brought to a Burlington hospital with injuries apparently from beatings, Waples said.
Milar was arrested in Iowa City Saturday night.
The baby’s mother, Diana May Rose, 21, of Burlington, told police she and Milar had been attempting to toilet train Jeffrey Thursday when the boy became stiff and unconscious after he was physically corrected for wetting his pants, police said.
She took him to the hospital Saturday.
Doctors there notified police and rushed little Jeffrey to Iowa City where he underwent surgery Saturday night. He died about 1:30 pm Sunday.
An autopsy was scheduled Sunday night to determine the exact cause of death. Doctors said Jeffery showed bruises about his head, genital organs, and buttocks.
From the Ottumwa Courier- January 17, 1970 at page 8:
Prosecution fights motion in Miler case.
Des Moines County Attorney Alan Waples has filed notice in District Court at Burlington that he intends to fight a defense motion to suppress evidence in the murder case against 22-year-old William Edward Miler of Keokuk, a former Ottumwan. The prosecution asks the court to set a hearing date soon to determine whether or not Miler’s wife may testify against him.
Miler is accused of killing 19- month-old Jeffrey J. Rose in April of 1969. The little boy died in Iowa City following brain surgery. He was transferred to University Hospitals after his mother had taken him to a Burlington hospital unconscious from severe head injuries. The child’s mother, then Diane Lee Rose, testified at a preliminary hearing April 17 in Burlington Municipal Court, after which Edwards was released.
The July grand jury renewed the indictment against Miler, however, a few days after he and Miss Rose were married in Keokuk. Defense lawyers are seeking an order prohibiting the state from calling her to the witness stand and from submitting any of her previous
testimony into evidence.
My thoughts on the above article: What sort of twisted values did it take for Diana to marry the man who authorities said beat her child to death?
From the Ottumwa Courrier, May 29, 1971 at page 12:
BIRTHS – … May 29 to Mr. and Mrs. William Miler Sr. of Keokuk, a daughter; the father is a former Ottumwan.
My thoughts on the above: How could she allow her son’s alleged murderer into her body???!!! Jeffrey died in April 1969. Melissa (the baby girl) wasn’t born until 1971. That necessarily means that Diana was having sexual intercourse with William after the death of Jeffrey.
From the Burlington Hawk Eye June 11, 1971 at page 7:
Testimony is heard on child’s injuries.
By BILL MERTENS
An Iowa City pathologist who two years ago performed the autopsy on the body of 19-month-old Jeffrey Rose testified Friday in the murder trial of William Edward Miler that
death was by a blow to the head caused by more than a simple fall.
Dr. Earl F. Rose said the head injury and the numerous other bruises found on the body of the child had been received between 12 and 48 hours before the time of death. The child died at 1:35 p.m., Sunday, April 13, 1969, in University hospitals in Iowa City following surgery to remove a blood clot from the brain.
Miler, 23, now of Keokuk, was charged With murder following the death, but the charge was dropped after Municipal Judge Gary J. Snyder refused to bind Miler over to the grand jury. Five months later a grand jury indicted Miler on an open charge of murder, to which he pleaded innocent in October, 1969.
Blunt-type Injury Dr. Rose testified the head injury was a “blunt-type injury”, as opposed to a head injury caused by a fall. He said a fall on a sharp instrument would “usually always leave some mark,” and he said there were no such marks on the head of Jeffrey. Bruises were found on the left and right side of the child’s forehead.
He said the blunt-type injury “could have been the type injury received from a man’s fist,” and said unconsciousness would have been rendered “almost immediately.”
Autopsy Slides
Prosecution attorneys also introduced into evidence 17 slides of the bruises on the
child’s lower body and crosssections of the brain taken during the autopsy.
Johnson county medical examiner Dr. T. T. Bozek of Iowa City also testified the cause of death was a head injury. He described all other body bruises as “non-fatal injuries.” Dr. Bozek, who ordered the autopsy, testified the child’s mother, now Mrs. Diane Miler, told him the child had been spanked and “indicated Bill Miler did the spanking.” Dr. Bozek said the mother told him the child had started vomiting Friday, two days before death.
Child Was Listless
“She said the child appeared listless Saturday morning and had no appetite,” he said. Dr. Bozek said Miss Rose told him she went shopping about 2 p.m. Saturday (April 12), at which time she put the child to bed. When she returned about 90 minutes later, Bill Miler
attempted to arouse the youth and the “child was not responsive,” Dr. Bozek said he was told.
He said Miss Rose did indicate “they had problems training the child, and they had spanked the child.” The sandy-haired, bespectacled Miler sat tightlipped and expressionless by his attorneys through the first day of testimony Thursday and the previous two days of jury selection. He heard Dr. Foss and Dr. R.G. Paragas, a Burlington pediatrician who also treated Jeffrey that Saturday, tell a jury of 11 men and one woman there were bruises on the head, left side, both buttocks, and groin area of Jeffrey when brought to the emergency room.
Nurse Testifies
Testimony was also given Thursday by Mrs. Janet Dellsite, a registered nurse who cared for Jeffrey on the ambulance trip from the Burlington hospital to Iowa City about 5:30
p.m. April 12.
Mrs. Dellsite said the child had several convulsions during the 50-minute trip end vomited about seven times, She said the child’s mother also rode in the ambulance but appear “rather complacent” and “composed.” Both doctors said the child already showed signs of brain damage when brought to the hospital because he would not respond to several reflex-type tests. Both also indicated the child had received the numerous bruises in from 12 to 48 hours before he was brought to the hospital. When asked to give his opinion as to what may have caused the bruises Foss said he felt “one possibility was that
the child had been mistreated and beaten.”
Dr. Paragas said it was his opinion it “was a child abuse,” and informed Iowa City of his opinion when the child was transferred.
From the Burlington Hawkeye, June 17, 1971 at page 1:
Mrs. Miler ‘requested’ discipline
By BILL MERTENS
The mother of 19-month-old Jeffrey Rose, flatly denied Monday that William Miler ever showed dislike or jealousy for the child, or ever disciplined the child without her approval.
Diana Rose Miler, 23, who married Miler July 12, 1969 — three months after the death of the Rose child — took the stand as a “hostile” prosecution witness.
Court resumed at 9 a.m. Monday after a weekend recess in the murder trial of Miler, 23, now of Keokuk, who was charged after the April 13, 1969, death of the Rose child. Jeffrey
died in Iowa City following brain surgery. Cause of death was reported to be a head injury.
Mrs. Miler underwent over two hours of questioning by county attorney E. Dean Metz, during which she disputed earlier testimony given by several other witnesses and refuted many statements she made in a preliminary hearing two years ago in municipal court.
“Bill was very good to Jeffy,” Mrs. Miler said. “Jeffy liked Bill but didn’t like Bill and I to show our affection to one another because he was jealous.”
She described the child as spoiled because she didn’t like to discipline him, but said she
had asked Miler to discipline Jeffrey. She said he “undertook some discipline because I asked him to,” but he never did it without her approval.
Spanked Child
“I usually had to tell him to do it,” she added. Mrs. Miler said she asked Miler to spank the child Thursday, April 10, three days before the child’s death, and said Miler took the child over his knee and swatted him “two or three times.” She said the spanking caused the bruises to the groin and buttocks area testified to by several doctors and hospital employees who testified earlier. Metz referred to the transcript of the 1969 preliminary
hearing — in which Municipal Judge Gary J. Snyder refused to bind Miler over to the grand jury — and asked Mrs. Miler why now she said “two or three” swats when
before she said more.
No Immunity
(The transcripts of her testimony at that municipal court hearing were made available only after several months of court proceedings and a Iowa Supreme Court ruling stating husbands and wives have no immunity of testimony in child abuse cases.)
The sandy-haired Mrs. Miler, her voice and composure failing a little as she referred to the time following the death of her son, said she said some things “that were untrue” at the hearing. “At the time of the preliminary hearing .. . I was made to believe Bill had done
something wrong and I was mad and I said things that weren’t true,” she said.
‘Upset by Death’
“I was trying to make it look as bad for Bill as I could,” she said and added she was still extremely upset by Jeffrey’s death and almost four months pregnant with another child.
“I just wanted them to leave me alone,” she said. She said the police had given her the impression Bill had done something wrong.
Mrs. Miler said she was told by University hospitals officials that bleeding on the child’s brain was from a bruise on his forehead, but said she didn’t know how the child received the bruise.
She said the child fell down quite often and said Miler guessed the child had fallen and struck his head. Neither knew when the bruise was received, she said. She could not recall bruises covering most of the child’s forehead as earlier witnesses testified.
Mrs. Miler also quickly denied ever telling anyone Miler “had dropped the child on it
head.” Two earlier witnesses Bonnie Garman, a neighbor and Donald Henry, a newsman testified they heard Mrs. Miler say Miler had dropped the child. She said a policeman asked her at the Burlington hospital if the child had been dropped on his head, “and I denied it,” she said.
Denies ‘Beating’
She denied police reports that she ever told them Miler “beat” he child. She said she got the impression at the hospital that police “thought we had done something.” She said she noticed Friday the child apparently didn’t feel well, and Saturday she said he was “listless and very, very white.”
Mrs. Miler said she put Jeffrey to bed upstairs in the 343 Grimes Ct. apartment in the afternoon while she went grocery shopping. She said when she returned the child was
downstairs with Miler. She said the child was lying on the bed and “his legs were stiff and his eyes were staring.”
Mrs. Miler then broke down in front of the jury of 11 men and one woman.
I hardly know where to begin when reading this. What sort of a sick parent tells their boyfriend to hit their eighteen or nineteen-month-old? What sort of woman marries the man accused of killing her toddler? What was going on that she lied on the stand, either at the trial, or at an earlier hearing?
William Milar was acquitted. Diana was never prosecuted.
From the Ottumwa Courier July 14, 1972, at page 3:
Galen Miler Jr. and Donna Davis from California have been visiting in Ottumwa. They came to attend the class reunion of Galen Miler. They were guests of Mr. and Mrs.
Michael Vinyard and of Mrs. Edward Snelling and of Neoma Miler. Other guests of Mrs. Snelling were Mr. and Mrs. William Miler Sr., William Jr., and Melissa of Keokuk and Mr.
and Mr. and Mrs. Donald Snelling and children of Texas
In 2013, William Milar’s misleading obituary read:
William E. Miler, 65, of Chariton, Iowa, died at 11:04 AM Saturday, August 3, 2013, at Circle of Life Legacy Lodge in Chariton, Iowa.
William was born September 9, 1947 in Ottumwa, Iowa, a son of Galen K. and Neoma Snelling Miler, Sr. He married Diana Rose of Keokuk, on September 12, 1969, in Keokuk, Iowa. She survives.
He lived in Hamilton, Illinois, for 22 years; in Solon, Iowa, from 1996 to 2009; and in Chariton for the last three years. He earned a Bachelor of Arts Degree from Western Illinois University at Macomb, Illinois. He was employed as facilities, grounds, and safety supervisor for Cornell College in Mt. Vernon, Iowa.
In addition to his wife, Diana, he is survived by a son, William E. “Will” Miler, II of North Liberty, Iowa; a daughter, Melissa M. Burbridge (Jim) of Chariton, Iowa; three grandchildren, Grace Miler, Abigail Burbridge and A.J. Burbridge; two brothers, Galen Miler, Jr. of Arizona and Roger Miler of Ottumwa, Iowa; his stepmother, Marylin Miler of Bloomfield, Iowa; and several brothers-in-law and sisters-in-law.
He was preceded in death by his parents, his grandparents, and a son in infancy, Jeffery J. Miler.
My comments on the obituary are these: First of all, Jeffrey was not his son. Second of all, Jeffrey’s surname was Rose, not Miler. Thirdly, Jeffrey was a toddler, not an infant. Fourthly, why would Diana have stayed with him all these years?
Just who in the family wrote this misleading language in the obituary, and for what purpose?
An unsolved murder that should be listed in the Burlington page is the 1969 murder of 18-month-old Jeffrey J. Rose who had injuries to his genitals, buttocks, and head, with brain injury and a blood clot on the brain. He died after being “physically corrected” after his mother, Diana May Rose (who later became Diana May Miller) and her boyfriend, William Edward Miler, had used “physical correction” on him while toilet training him. William was criminally charged but acquitted. Diana married William while the case was going on.
I am going to post a few news articles here:
From the Boone News Republican, April 14, 1969 at page 5:
Study Charges in Child Death- BURLINGTON, Iowa (AP) — Additional charges may be filed against a man in the child beating case of a baby who died Sunday in Iowa City, authorities say.
Des Moines County Atty. Desmond Waples said he was studying Sunday what additional charged should be filed against William Edward Milar, 21, of Ottumwa. Milar was charged with assault with intent to do great bodily injury after doctors notified police Saturday that 18-month-old Jeffrey J. Rose had been brought to a Burlington hospital with injuries apparently from beatings, Waples said.
Milar was arrested in Iowa City Saturday night.
The baby’s mother, Diana May Rose, 21, of Burlington, told police she and Milar had been attempting to toilet train Jeffrey Thursday when the boy became stiff and unconscious after he was physically corrected for wetting his pants, police said.
She took him to the hospital Saturday.
Doctors there notified police and rushed little Jeffrey to Iowa City where he underwent surgery Saturday night. He died about 1:30 pm Sunday.
An autopsy was scheduled Sunday night to determine the exact cause of death. Doctors said Jeffery showed bruises about his head, genital organs, and buttocks.
From the Ottumwa Courier- January 17, 1970 at page 8:
Prosecution fights motion in Miler case.
Des Moines County Attorney Alan Waples has filed notice in District Court at Burlington that he intends to fight a defense motion to suppress evidence in the murder case against 22-year-old William Edward Miler of Keokuk, a former Ottumwan. The prosecution asks the court to set a hearing date soon to determine whether or not Miler’s wife may testify against him.
Miler is accused of killing 19- month-old Jeffrey J. Rose in April of 1969. The little boy died in Iowa City following brain surgery. He was transferred to University Hospitals after his mother had taken him to a Burlington hospital unconscious from severe head injuries. The child’s mother, then Diane Lee Rose, testified at a preliminary hearing April 17 in Burlington Municipal Court, after which Edwards was released.
The July grand jury renewed the indictment against Miler, however, a few days after he and Miss Rose were married in Keokuk. Defense lawyers are seeking an order prohibiting the state from calling her to the witness stand and from submitting any of her previous
testimony into evidence.
My thoughts on the above article: What sort of twisted values did it take for Diana to marry the man who authorities said beat her child to death?
From the Ottumwa Courrier, May 29, 1971 at page 12:
BIRTHS – … May 29 to Mr. and Mrs. William Miler Sr. of Keokuk, a daughter; the father is a former Ottumwan.
My thoughts on the above: How could she allow her son’s alleged murderer into her body???!!! Jeffrey died in April 1969. Melissa (the baby girl) wasn’t born until 1971. That necessarily means that Diana was having sexual intercourse with William after the death of Jeffrey.
From the Burlington Hawk Eye June 11, 1971 at page 7:
Testimony is heard on child’s injuries.
By BILL MERTENS
An Iowa City pathologist who two years ago performed the autopsy on the body of 19-month-old Jeffrey Rose testified Friday in the murder trial of William Edward Miler that
death was by a blow to the head caused by more than a simple fall.
Dr. Earl F. Rose said the head injury and the numerous other bruises found on the body of the child had been received between 12 and 48 hours before the time of death. The child died at 1:35 p.m., Sunday, April 13, 1969, in University hospitals in Iowa City following surgery to remove a blood clot from the brain.
Miler, 23, now of Keokuk, was charged With murder following the death, but the charge was dropped after Municipal Judge Gary J. Snyder refused to bind Miler over to the grand jury. Five months later a grand jury indicted Miler on an open charge of murder, to which he pleaded innocent in October, 1969.
Blunt-type Injury Dr. Rose testified the head injury was a “blunt-type injury”, as opposed to a head injury caused by a fall. He said a fall on a sharp instrument would “usually always leave some mark,” and he said there were no such marks on the head of Jeffrey. Bruises were found on the left and right side of the child’s forehead.
He said the blunt-type injury “could have been the type injury received from a man’s fist,” and said unconsciousness would have been rendered “almost immediately.”
Autopsy Slides
Prosecution attorneys also introduced into evidence 17 slides of the bruises on the
child’s lower body and crosssections of the brain taken during the autopsy.
Johnson county medical examiner Dr. T. T. Bozek of Iowa City also testified the cause of death was a head injury. He described all other body bruises as “non-fatal injuries.” Dr. Bozek, who ordered the autopsy, testified the child’s mother, now Mrs. Diane Miler, told him the child had been spanked and “indicated Bill Miler did the spanking.” Dr. Bozek said the mother told him the child had started vomiting Friday, two days before death.
Child Was Listless
“She said the child appeared listless Saturday morning and had no appetite,” he said. Dr. Bozek said Miss Rose told him she went shopping about 2 p.m. Saturday (April 12), at which time she put the child to bed. When she returned about 90 minutes later, Bill Miler
attempted to arouse the youth and the “child was not responsive,” Dr. Bozek said he was told.
He said Miss Rose did indicate “they had problems training the child, and they had spanked the child.” The sandy-haired, bespectacled Miler sat tightlipped and expressionless by his attorneys through the first day of testimony Thursday and the previous two days of jury selection. He heard Dr. Foss and Dr. R.G. Paragas, a Burlington pediatrician who also treated Jeffrey that Saturday, tell a jury of 11 men and one woman there were bruises on the head, left side, both buttocks, and groin area of Jeffrey when brought to the emergency room.
Nurse Testifies
Testimony was also given Thursday by Mrs. Janet Dellsite, a registered nurse who cared for Jeffrey on the ambulance trip from the Burlington hospital to Iowa City about 5:30
p.m. April 12.
Mrs. Dellsite said the child had several convulsions during the 50-minute trip end vomited about seven times, She said the child’s mother also rode in the ambulance but appear “rather complacent” and “composed.” Both doctors said the child already showed signs of brain damage when brought to the hospital because he would not respond to several reflex-type tests. Both also indicated the child had received the numerous bruises in from 12 to 48 hours before he was brought to the hospital. When asked to give his opinion as to what may have caused the bruises Foss said he felt “one possibility was that
the child had been mistreated and beaten.”
Dr. Paragas said it was his opinion it “was a child abuse,” and informed Iowa City of his opinion when the child was transferred.
From the Burlington Hawkeye, June 17, 1971 at page 1:
Mrs. Miler ‘requested’ discipline
By BILL MERTENS
The mother of 19-month-old Jeffrey Rose, flatly denied Monday that William Miler ever showed dislike or jealousy for the child, or ever disciplined the child without her approval.
Diana Rose Miler, 23, who married Miler July 12, 1969 — three months after the death of the Rose child — took the stand as a “hostile” prosecution witness.
Court resumed at 9 a.m. Monday after a weekend recess in the murder trial of Miler, 23, now of Keokuk, who was charged after the April 13, 1969, death of the Rose child. Jeffrey
died in Iowa City following brain surgery. Cause of death was reported to be a head injury.
Mrs. Miler underwent over two hours of questioning by county attorney E. Dean Metz, during which she disputed earlier testimony given by several other witnesses and refuted many statements she made in a preliminary hearing two years ago in municipal court.
“Bill was very good to Jeffy,” Mrs. Miler said. “Jeffy liked Bill but didn’t like Bill and I to show our affection to one another because he was jealous.”
She described the child as spoiled because she didn’t like to discipline him, but said she
had asked Miler to discipline Jeffrey. She said he “undertook some discipline because I asked him to,” but he never did it without her approval.
Spanked Child
“I usually had to tell him to do it,” she added. Mrs. Miler said she asked Miler to spank the child Thursday, April 10, three days before the child’s death, and said Miler took the child over his knee and swatted him “two or three times.” She said the spanking caused the bruises to the groin and buttocks area testified to by several doctors and hospital employees who testified earlier. Metz referred to the transcript of the 1969 preliminary
hearing — in which Municipal Judge Gary J. Snyder refused to bind Miler over to the grand jury — and asked Mrs. Miler why now she said “two or three” swats when
before she said more.
No Immunity
(The transcripts of her testimony at that municipal court hearing were made available only after several months of court proceedings and a Iowa Supreme Court ruling stating husbands and wives have no immunity of testimony in child abuse cases.)
The sandy-haired Mrs. Miler, her voice and composure failing a little as she referred to the time following the death of her son, said she said some things “that were untrue” at the hearing. “At the time of the preliminary hearing .. . I was made to believe Bill had done
something wrong and I was mad and I said things that weren’t true,” she said.
‘Upset by Death’
“I was trying to make it look as bad for Bill as I could,” she said and added she was still extremely upset by Jeffrey’s death and almost four months pregnant with another child.
“I just wanted them to leave me alone,” she said. She said the police had given her the impression Bill had done something wrong.
Mrs. Miler said she was told by University hospitals officials that bleeding on the child’s brain was from a bruise on his forehead, but said she didn’t know how the child received the bruise.
She said the child fell down quite often and said Miler guessed the child had fallen and struck his head. Neither knew when the bruise was received, she said. She could not recall bruises covering most of the child’s forehead as earlier witnesses testified.
Mrs. Miler also quickly denied ever telling anyone Miler “had dropped the child on it
head.” Two earlier witnesses Bonnie Garman, a neighbor and Donald Henry, a newsman testified they heard Mrs. Miler say Miler had dropped the child. She said a policeman asked her at the Burlington hospital if the child had been dropped on his head, “and I denied it,” she said.
Denies ‘Beating’
She denied police reports that she ever told them Miler “beat” he child. She said she got the impression at the hospital that police “thought we had done something.” She said she noticed Friday the child apparently didn’t feel well, and Saturday she said he was “listless and very, very white.”
Mrs. Miler said she put Jeffrey to bed upstairs in the 343 Grimes Ct. apartment in the afternoon while she went grocery shopping. She said when she returned the child was
downstairs with Miler. She said the child was lying on the bed and “his legs were stiff and his eyes were staring.”
Mrs. Miler then broke down in front of the jury of 11 men and one woman.
I hardly know where to begin when reading this. What sort of a sick parent tells their boyfriend to hit their eighteen or nineteen-month-old? What sort of woman marries the man accused of killing her toddler? What was going on that she lied on the stand, either at the trial, or at an earlier hearing?
William Milar was acquitted. Diana was never prosecuted.
From the Ottumwa Courier July 14, 1972, at page 3:
Galen Miler Jr. and Donna Davis from California have been visiting in Ottumwa. They came to attend the class reunion of Galen Miler. They were guests of Mr. and Mrs.
Michael Vinyard and of Mrs. Edward Snelling and of Neoma Miler. Other guests of Mrs. Snelling were Mr. and Mrs. William Miler Sr., William Jr., and Melissa of Keokuk and Mr.
and Mr. and Mrs. Donald Snelling and children of Texas
In 2013, William Milar’s misleading obituary read:
William E. Miler, 65, of Chariton, Iowa, died at 11:04 AM Saturday, August 3, 2013, at Circle of Life Legacy Lodge in Chariton, Iowa.
William was born September 9, 1947 in Ottumwa, Iowa, a son of Galen K. and Neoma Snelling Miler, Sr. He married Diana Rose of Keokuk, on September 12, 1969, in Keokuk, Iowa. She survives.
He lived in Hamilton, Illinois, for 22 years; in Solon, Iowa, from 1996 to 2009; and in Chariton for the last three years. He earned a Bachelor of Arts Degree from Western Illinois University at Macomb, Illinois. He was employed as facilities, grounds, and safety supervisor for Cornell College in Mt. Vernon, Iowa.
In addition to his wife, Diana, he is survived by a son, William E. “Will” Miler, II of North Liberty, Iowa; a daughter, Melissa M. Burbridge (Jim) of Chariton, Iowa; three grandchildren, Grace Miler, Abigail Burbridge and A.J. Burbridge; two brothers, Galen Miler, Jr. of Arizona and Roger Miler of Ottumwa, Iowa; his stepmother, Marylin Miler of Bloomfield, Iowa; and several brothers-in-law and sisters-in-law.
He was preceded in death by his parents, his grandparents, and a son in infancy, Jeffery J. Miler.
My comments on the obituary are these: First of all, Jeffrey was not his son. Second of all, Jeffrey’s surname was Rose, not Miler. Thirdly, Jeffrey was a toddler, not an infant. Fourthly, why would Diana have stayed with him all these years?
Just who in the family wrote this misleading language in the obituary, and for what purpose?
That is a shocking case, painful to read! (Carol at ICC)
You are a very sick and vindictive person who needs help! Get a life and leave others alone! You are neither judge or jury!
Concerned citizen!
Who killed Jeffrey J. Rose and how did it happen? This toddler died, and the autopsy revealed injuries to his genitals, buttocks, and head, with brain injury and a blood clot on the brain. He was clearly beaten to death. With no conviction, it is a cold case and people should be aware of it. The public has an interest in the criminal justice system, and its failures. The public has an interest in history, including legal history. Everything posted here is from what came out at the trial. It is public record, and was reported on in the news at the time. One possible perpetrator was prosecuted, and acquitted. The other possible perpetrator has not been prosecuted. Perhaps this other possible perpetrator SHOULD be prosecuted for killing this toddler. Being a person who wants justice for those who no longer have a voice isn’t sick and vindictive. Being a person who is concerned for the potential safety of children in the family isn’t sick and vindictive. What is “sick” is that the State of Iowa didn’t put both Diana and William on trial. There are other “sick” things that happened, but I’ll leave it at that. As an aside, there is no invasion or privacy, nor is there defamation, for sharing matters of public record of this nature.
You need to find another mission in life! Destroying other peoples lives is not a good one! This child died and not for the reasons that were published in the newspaper! These are not “sick” people! The only sick people were those people making up the stories about them!
You mean that all of the ER doctors, the paramedics on the scene, and the police officers concocted the same general story, and then formed a conspiracy to stick to that story? And then the coroner decided to conspire with them also, and falsified the autopsy report? Amazing!
The reports on this were very distorted! Unfortunately between rumors and news media it happens! I don’t believe it is up to you to judge what happened! I was there and I know what happened! Don’t you have your own life to worry about? Maybe you should be doing that!!
Btw I can honestly say that I have never caused physical harm to anyone! Can you? You can believe that or not! Your chose but please stop the harassment!
You can’t run from GOD no matter how many stories you make up. No matter how many lies you tell. He knows the truth. I wouldn’t be too concerned about what anyone on earth thinks. I’d be more concerned about what’s to come. Everyone takes that road alone.
I had been told that my ‘Uncle Myles’ just disappeared one day right after I turned 5 yrs. old & that was all ever knew. He came & was gone before I knew it.
He was my GodFather & I was named after him. He must’ve liked his Godson because I remember him often picking me up from my house, leaving all my brothers and sisters behind, & driving just me and him downtown to a candy store & getting a few bags of any candies that I picked out: candy corn, licorice & burnt peanuts or boston baked beans(the bumpy red candy coated peanuts). I’ve loved these ever since. Then he used to take me to the ice cream parlor to get a cone & Id always pick out the bright lime green sherbert that I loved. I remember he’d always pay with this big roll of dollars he’d dig out of his front pants pocket.Then he’d drive me back home & then leave & I wondered why this guy was so unusually nice to me. My siblings were so jealous when I got home.
He was a tall, soft spoken, gentle, well dressed man that became my friend from the beginning. While we were riding in his huge car to go get treats he’d always smoke a cigarette with 1 of his ‘robotic’ hooks & Id watch him accurately flick the ashes in the ash tray while the other metal hooked hand firmly steered the wheel. It was so fascinating & I just watched in wide wonder. He made me feel like I was special & he was the nicest person, the kindest person that Ive ever known even though it was in just 4 years time.
Many decades have passed since he left us, but his memory is still very vivid. I never forgot him.
I believe that he’s alive in another realm, another place & if Im real lucky, me & Uncle Myles will go riding together again to the sweets shop & take off where we left off.
Thomas, that was a nice story, of your short time hanging out with him. Its nice when older adults take an interest in the little ones in their family. They can share those life’s lessons, or just spoil them. It appears that enjoined spending time with you, and left you some fond memories.
That is a nice memory and a sweet tribute to him I think… you wondered why he was so nice to you, I think because you were his Godson, that must have meant a lot to him.
Crime stoppers should be offering a flyer for these missing loved ones bring more awareness to the facts in all 3 cases
I find it interesting that she was found dead, in a room registered to her supposed former boy friend. Yet, he is not identified as person on interest. Also, her family moved back from California, and yet she is living in a hotel room.
However, I like that Mr. Reynolds, served time for rape and he was in jail for another crime, and he is allowed out of jail to work. That’s real nice. But then Illinois allowed some guy out on a weekend pass, and he kills someone.
Also elected officials here in Chicago, pressured Chicago Police investigators, to stop following John Wayne Gacy around. Then when suburban cops busted and started carrying bodies out of his house, these same investigators had to change their reports to eliminate any reference that they considered him as a suspect in the disappearance of some young men.
I agree with you!
Do we know what happened to the “boyfriend”?!
She’s dead in his hotel room but he’s not a person of interest??!!
I think it was the boyfriend.
Praying for justice!
The offenders will not talk, be considered a snitch. We hear that quite often, when it comes to gang shootings here in Chicago. It makes me wonder if the bad guys were from this neck of the woods. Also, even if they did not pull the trigger, they can be charged with his murder. These individuals have no respect for life.
I agree with the comments in regards to the supposed friend Brit. Supposedly according to Curtis, he drives her over to Brit’s so that he hang out, and she not there. So, it would be interesting to know her story. I hear everyone’s concerns about Curtis, but he was a friend of Erin’s brother. So, I would assume she would not be afraid of him. Also, I wonder if her brother had any concerns about him.
There is a case in Alabama, where a missing woman, disappeared after her evening shift. Supposedly, she supposedly told her mother that she was going to visit a male neighbor, to see a gift he purchased for his mother’s upcoming birthday. The male neighbor’s alibi, was that he was not home but on a date. Well, he committed suicide a few years ago. Also, his girl friend was arrested the girlfriend last October in connection with the disappearance, and most likely death.
https://law.justia.com/cases/iowa/supreme-court/1976/57756-0.html
^ Interesting that Pilcher was charged with a separate sexual crime, occurring at the same farm just 4 days prior to Mary Jayne’s death, and it took this long to successfully connect him to her murder.
I wonder if the police ever checked the car VIN number through either CarFax, or the National Insurance Crime Bureau. The NICB, is funder by a number of insurance companies to provide various supports in regards to insurance fraud, and also auto thefts. They have some databases that they should be able to check the VIN. Also many of their investigators are retired law enforcement investigators.
There are a number of missing person cases from around the country, where their vehicles have never been recovered. I have a list of a few of them. I hope to send the list to NICB, and have them check their databases.
Also, a number of missing person cases have been solved when they found the vehicles in different bodies of water. The problem is funding the underwater search efforts.
Are you all still looking for my family killer
miss you
Thank you for sharing this. I briefly knew Jackie Shireman and worked with her Dad at the time of her murder. It was a nightmare! I’d heard that her husband was a suspect but then he mysteriously drowned. It makes me sick to this day to think about what she went thru and how her family suffered. Someone got away with murder and there is no closure for anyone who knew her or the family. I’m just thankful she hasn’t been forgotten.
was there ever a Bonnie and Clyde connection?
I dont think jeff gannon is johnny gosch. I dont think hes alive sadly.
There was an arrest made in Leland Harris’ murder:
https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Suspect-accused-in-2017-homicide-case-appears-in-Linn-County-court-508116041.html
Thanks so much, Kim! I’ve updated the info on Leland’s page.
No problem, Jody! I’m just glad to see another cold case solved!
Dear Rick and Robin;
I never post on this site, but after reading Little Ricky’s story, my heart is so broken, I felt compelled to send words of encouragement and support.
Little Rickey looks a lot like my oldest son looked at Ricky’s age. Which made this story even more sickening to me.
I don’t know if you are Christians, but even if you aren’t, just know I said a prayer for that sweet, innocent little soul that was your son. And the monster who did this to him, and all those that are shielding her from justice she deserves, will all pay their dues some day – they will be held accountable to God, and His son.
God bless you both – I hope He brings you comfort every night, with the knowledge that your little boy is with Jesus, and can never be hurt again. You will both see him some day. of that I am sure.
This is Christopher Rogers I’m trying to find the family of William Francis Rogers also know as bill Rogers he’s my father and I would like to get to know his side of the family
Just now seeing this in thanks to my sister in law forwarding me your search request. I am Bill’s sister, Sara, your Aunt. I live in Washington. Please send contact info for messaging or phone?
It would be nice to know what criminal activity that Delbert Beauchene, was involved with. Also, if their were others involved in this activity. I would be interesting how Maurice developed this additional evidence in regards to his son-in-law.
See her : https://www.newspapers.com/clip/21122375/sioux-city-journal/
Delbert was not nice man, not to smart but smart enough to know there was enough evidence. He was married to Maurice daughter. From story’s Maurice was a smart man, he probably had tapes and video. 😜
I read a newspaper article on this and another cold homicide. They mention that Lewis Glenn, was shot with a .45 caliber firearm. Also, there was some shell casings. I wonder anyone knows why he was at the church. I find it interesting that his funeral service was held at another church.
Also, we have no information on what he did for a living. He is survived by three sons, but no mention of a wife or ex-wife. It makes me wonder if someone connected to his ex-wife or her family.
He was actually attending college getting ready to graduate and working part time
This is my father.Please just let him Rest In Peace.
these abductions I truly believe were connected and really think more could have been done to solve them with todays current dna and tools,I wish cold case would jump on this and solve for the families….my heart goes out to Noreen and to all the families..I was raising 4 sons during the 80s and 90s and you can bet I watched them alot more after all the abductions totally changed the way I looked at society,,prayers that someday these will be solved..my heart says they are gone and probably murdered shortly after they were abducted but there is always hope.
I think perhaps it could be a Jimmy Saville OR Jeffrey Epstein situation…. People’s reputations were @ stake…My heart goes out to the mothers & I know it’s cold comfort…but karma’s a bitch….
Who says it was a male, what about a female that begins with Y
DONT PLAY HIT MY LINE AND TELL ME WHATS UP 5053624772
Funny what comes out of peoples mouth after a few beers and years ago,thinks she got away with murder
if you have information that is useful to the investigation you should talk to the police.
How is this woman not in prison? The death of this little girl needs to be investigated and the step-mother brought to justice. American Indian step-children and non-native Step-mother, the child’s death doesn’t matter and the woman not charged with murder, does this seem to be about race?
any new information would be so greatly appreciated. s Judy’s first cousin, she was such a role model for me, I am 5 years younger and my siblings were all younger. She was my younger brothers’ babysitter, and we would have so much I enjoyed her company so much.I will never get over her murder and live with such sadness thinking how she passed and how I wish I still had her….
Hi Kelli,
I was a 6th grade student at Madison Elementary where Judy volunteered as sort of a playground director. A classmate Robert Graves used to walk to school with Judy at times and as i recall he broke the news that something was up the Monday after her murder.
Judy was beloved by all of us but especially the rowdy mischievous bunch, which I was part of. They played Bridge Over Troubled Waters at the funeral at St. Paul Lutheran. I was sitting in maybe the 3rd row slightly behind and to the left of my good friend Leroy Williams in the row in front of me.
Leroy had a scar beneath his left eye and I remember vividly the tears streaming from his eyes as a kind middle aged woman offered him a tissue.
When my kids were young we were driving back from a ski vacation in California when Bridge came on the radio. I had to explain to my wife and 2 sons why I was balling as I always do when I hear that song.
I check up on Judy’s case from time to time hoping that you and the rest of her family, and the many, like me who’s life she touched can find closure. She was a fun and wonderful person and we are all lucky to have known her.
Please pass on my prayers and condolences to her family and friends.
Best wishes,
John Platter
Its sad to think that there is such evil in this world and against children inocent children !! The creator will take care of the stepmom !
I am amazed that the stepmother wasn’t investigated and charged!!!! Sounds like alot of people messed up.
My dad burned me in a big trash bag when I was little. God release the child soul from all that abuse. Rebuke the child abusers pendants, and free the past from thy soul of thy witness. May St. Christopher, release bondage, from thy burns of thy past memory for life to go on and for others not to repeat the same mistake.
I’m sorry to learn of the suffering you incurred at the hands of your father Teri. Stay strong!
I’m reaching out to the family of William Francis Rogers I’m his son chris I would like to get to know you
Why hide your name hmmm
What you thru someone under the bus by names and if he did it it will be proven that’s why I didn’t state a name wow lol angry their?
I actually know the coshows! And Tom askey. Somehow alot of this has been so misconstrued to the point where it doesn’t even make sense anymore. I have personally sat and talked to these people numerous times. The coshows are wonderful people. Very kind and gentle with kids and animals. They’re humanitarians in their own right. I guess people just believe what they want to believe.
Yes, I’m sure the step daughters that Karen very clearly abused with her husband turning a blind eye would agree.
Keara who was blinded via Drano, forced to soil herself, and ultimately killed by that whack job step-mother Karen certainly will agree when they meet each other very briefly on judgement day.
Keara will remain in heaven while that whack job Karen will be sent to the deep recesses of hell; exactly where she belongs.
wtf is wrong with you?? genuinely
Tj, law enforcement have made mistakes over the years. Here in Chicago, some detectives blamed two young black boys with murdering an 11- year old black girl. However, it was later learned that an adult male killer her. They also get stuck with tunnel vision when it comes to who committed the crime.
I was just asking questions to see if someone could put together some information on to why he might been there. If many veterans hung out there maybe someone had a problem. They have been many fights between active duty military over the years.
As a former submarine sailor we were ready to take on many surface ship Navy guys in Naples, Italy, many years ago. Also, I am a nosy guy, it comes with job I did for about more then 20 years, at a two VA Medical Centers.
I hope the stepmother pays for the murder in this life. I know she will burn in he’ll for what she did.
You can request a compiled military record of this man though NARA , National Archives … National Park Service , or a Civil War facebook page.
I find it interesting that Marie and an a writer were planing a book on John Joseph Carmody. Also, she may have worked for the Clarksville Star newspaper. Also she supposedly interviewed Mr. Carmody, under some dangerous conditions. So it sort of puts Julia and Marie, in a situation that they might have known each other in passing. But, Marie might have known about Julia working at the lounge.
It’s mentioned that Marie received threats from women, who wanted to marry Mr. Carmody, and blamed her for him being sent to prison.
I wonder who else might have been connected with what Mr. Carmody was doing in Mason City. Would they been upset with their activities being exposed.
Was the murder of William Saloky ever solved? He was a Palmer student living in Davenport and was shot sometime in 1979.
Bob, Davenport police arrested University of Iowa student Dwight Heninger in March 1979 and charged him with first-degree murder in connection with William Soloky’s death. Heninger, 20, was a third-year-pre-business student from Bettendorf, and accused of shooting Saloky, 28, in Saloky’s apartment just before midnight on Monday, March 12, 1979, after the two quarreled. So, yes, Davenport police consider this case solved. Jody @ ICC
And what sentence? Walk free?
I am curious about the outcome as well. What was the verdict?
I can’t even imagine what his family went through. My prayers are with thcuem
Iowa actually does have a safe haven law that was enacted in 2002 after the 2001 death of Baby Chelsea. However, most of the Doe babies listed on this page were found in the years before the safe haven law went into effect.
Can’t your state make a law in which mother’s that have babies and don’t want them can bring them to fire station or churches with no prosecution or repracations from the government or law enforcement…. They can’t be killing these babies that is horrible, give these mother’s no matter the reason a way out with out hurting a child.
Sheila Foley’s body was found by Simon Borntrager, an Amish farmer who told the court he was driving his horse and buggy along the desolate road when he spotted what he thought was a “skinned deer.” When he approached the object on foot, however, he discovered it was human. 4A / DES MOINES REGISTER • Thurs., May 6,1976 LAWYER: FLESH, BLOOD FOUND ON FRAZER’S AUTO ByJACKHOVELSON
Roscoe Hulbert — a Butler County road maintenance worker — found Julie’s muddy body, nude and decomposed, in a roadside ditch along a quiet country road about a mile northeast of Shell Rock, Iowa.
So frustrated with no answers for Mom & William! There seems to be no help for us. I dont think DCI is doing a damn thing on this case. I dont like that we have no guidance and no real communication. I sometimes feel that they dont give a shit about the family left behind. Even more important, is it because they were elderly or do they have something to hide.
Kay & William deserve better than this!!!!!
Patty. Not a day goes by i dont think about them. I read so many different unsolved cases almost daily that have happened in iowa. Alot of elderly.. Seeing alot of cold cases solved recently but not there.. Alot gets brushed under the rug and my heart breaks.. So much was out there for them to follow. I dont believe it should have come to a dead end.. Dad and kay were killed on my youngest daughters birthday. So to us it is always a day of heartbreak. Instead of celebration. We need closure… I pray that some day it will ne our turn..
I know, Melonie…it is just so very unfair to Mom & William…they really do deserve better than what we have received from DCI and the gang. I know had this been one of their loved ones they’d have this case solved so fast but since it was just an elderly couple, they dont care. Well, I care and I know the rest of the family for both care. Why do we have to fight so hard to have them do their damn job.
I dont know.. I keep hoping there is something or somebody that has a better idea. We need the case opened again. Something isnt being said. Ive always wondered about those unsolved cases shows.
I have sent the story to a couple of them but no response from them, it’s like everyone has blinders on…hoping and praying we all have answer soon
Me too
All the media cares about is money and sensationalism. If we want to get through to them we need to get multiple people to send messages. We could put stuff out on the group on fb and the missing page.
And XOXO
so, just curious, was he married and cheating on his wive with the other victim? Any thoughts on wife’s motivation? Hired hit?
Roger was asleep. He was collateral damage. Rose was the focus of this crime. Both the TV and the nightstand lamp illuminated her body. The killer could pass a polygraph. But there were too many happenstances for this to be anyone other than someone Rose or Roger or both met that night. But I think Roger was asleep when the perp entered the room.
The perp would be a white male in his mid to late 20s who felt comfortable in the hotel but didn’t necessarily plan the attack. This was a spur of the moment murder and focused on Rose.
Why are you so sure Roger was asleep. Rose would have woke him up. They wouldn’t go there for the weekend and then him just fall asleep on her.
I think he was already familiar with Rose.
I think if the wife had anything to do with it she didn’t have to hire anyone, her Dad and perhaps her serial killing Uncle, Charles Hatcher!!!!
Recent article in the Gazette about how the police obtained the DNA from Jerry Burns to solve this case. Kind of interesting what the search warrant on his browser history also revealed.
https://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/public-safety/michelle-martinko-dna-search-warrant-straw-jerry-lynn-burns-family-tree-cold-case-murder-20190312
Hello Yellowbag. I know it’s been a long time, but do you remember how long it typically took you to pick up and assemble your Sunday papers? Also, how many stops were on your route and how long did it take to complete the route, from the moment you left the house to returning home.
Johnny had 37 stops on his Sunday route. The Francrest Circle cul de sac has nine homes, all of which sit on small lots. It shouldn’t have taken Johnny any more than 10 minutes to drop each paper at the front door of each home. Ten minutes into his route, Johnny completed 25% of his stops. He should have completed his route in about an hour.
Timing is critical in solving this case. According to reports, the first phone call received at the Gosch home arrived between 7:00 and 7:45 am. Johnny picked up his papers around 6 am. He should have completed the route around 7 am.
It did not take long to assemble the Sunday newspapers. The advertisement inserts came separately, so it was just a matter of shoving one into each newspaper. If I remember correctly, the routes had around 40-50 newspapers each. An hour sounds about right for delivery time. There was a certain time (deadline) at which if papers were not delivered the Register would send a courier and fine the carrier for each missed delivery.
Did Johnny get some of the papers out? If so, I wonder why he would have returned to Marcourt. The Sunday papers were so big back then that it was impossible to get more than 15 or so in a yellow bag. I remember riding out on my bike, and later moped, to “stage” assembled paper bundles so I could reload along my route. If John pulled a wagon, he should not have had any problem taking all 37 newspapers with him.
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Audrey, thanks for your help. The more people involved in his case, will lead to his being found or accounted for.
Well Fredrick James Workman in just 2 months he will be gone for 7 yrs.still not anything if u see this son u need to know that I will never give up on u this has been to long and getting really hard to deal with not knowing what happened to u..I been talking to a lawyer about a law suit but haven’t hot much answers..I don’t what eles I can do for u or this case..But I WILL NEVER GIVE UP ON U OR THIS CASE..I hope I can get something done soon.We keep doing things for ur yrs u been gone and ur birthday and we will keep it going every yr..we love and miss u so much Fredman…
I’m curious to know if there are any sightings of this young man since he disappeared? I would like to help this family get the word out on this case by using social media/ YouTube. Let’s get this case out and open again!!!! Please email me at kjbaker1973@gmail.com
I wonder if they searched her car at the airport. Was there any record of her purchasing a ticket to fly somewhere. Also, I wonder if they ever found any of her clothes.
Juli, I wonder if anyone from the police or his family ever interviewed her. She may or may not known anything about his disappearance. But, its worth the effort, to interview her and give the police and idea of her relationship with him. Its a long shot, but worth the effort.
There’s a Janis. L Fish in Mount Vernon, MO who’s somewhere in her 70’s- likely the same person. She’s likely the only person who’s still alive who might be able to give more info.
I can’t believe nobody got charged with tamper with evidence.
Is it just me or does it seem like when someone dies in this town they never get evidence to charge someone with murder?
Here’s a podcast episode about the case by the true crime podcast, Criminology. You’ll hear from Roger’s widow Marcella & Iowa County Sheriff Rob Rotter in this episode
That hot lather machine looks oddly out of place. I wonder if it’s still in evidence, and if so, if it was/could be ever tested using 21st Century forensic techniques.
I wonder about that as well. Seems very oddly placed. Unless just needed an outlet but why not the bathroom?
Where are the bodies of the unidentified buried? Why can’t you run their DNA through the database?
YES. Three are many unidentified babies. I hope there would be a fund created to exhume and run DNA tests against databases to find the mothers. In most cases there is likely no malice but I’m guessing in a few there are crimes and maybe serial type deaths or abuse
My guess is the cost of the DNA analysis.
I think the psychic did it did she have an alibi
Was it ever considered the same person who killed Groves killed George Massouris? Both cab drivers, nearby counties, and both shot 3 times. I wonder if there were other drivers killed similarly around the country and if it could be linked to someone who may have been traveling. All of these victims may be long gone, but they all still deserve justice.
That’s a good point!
In 1976, a Barbara Glueckert (14), of Mount Prospect, Illinois, disappeared after going with a friend and riding with a individual named Thomas Urlacher (24), to a concert. She never returned and they still have not found her remains. Urlacher, had a history of sexually assaulting young women, and he was and still is a person of interest in her disappearance and assumed death.
However, he was killed by drug dealers in Colorado. So, the circumstances of Bambi, disappearance so fits what happened to Barbara. Barbara told her parents she was going to a party, near by. Her friend told her parents she was going to Barbara place. However, they supposedly got freaked out listening to Mr. Urlacher’s s conversation. Barbara friend ran into a friend and left the concert with him.
He claimed in a letter that he buried her because she would tell police about him sexually assaulting her. Several investigators with Mount Prospect’s Police Dept., spent all kinds of time and resources looking for her. A lot more then expected for that time frame.
A couple of thoughts. It wonder what sort of building was thee that collapsed, where Mr. Ransford, was found. Also, I assume that this might have been a building related to the state park. This appears to be a somewhat isolated area, and who would have known the building had collapsed
Jack, I know that he was unemployed for some time. But, I wonder what he had did when he was working, and where he might have worked. I wonder why he first wife divorced him, and why. I might be trying to fill in Mr. Ransford’s background. Where know he was a veteran, and married twice. He might have been dealing with PTSD, and maybe health issues from Agent Orange.
Hello Laura.
I’m not very familiar with how this works so please forgive me if I’m duplicating messages. I’ll be happy to share with you what I know and if you or your family have any questions I’ll be happy to answer.
Jeff
Child Molester 926 West 3rd Street, Cedar Falls, IA 50613. Name; Michael Ervin 😱 also Stocker on 3 women!💯
There was filling DNA. How could the jurors not find him guilty. I guess they were as useless as the Robert Durst and Casey Anthony jurors. Pathetic!
Has anyone talked to Jeremiah Kubat? He was busy telling people he was there when the shooting happened. Pretty sure he either saw the shooting or saw the shooting and knows who did it. He was pretty detailed about what he was saying. He has a long criminal history and is in and out of prison. Mother and stepfather live in I believe Pocahontas, last name Mccullough. His mother use to work at the Jack links company. They will lie for him, they have in the past. Jeremiah’s last known address is 2110 Fourth Ave. N in Fort Dodge, his date of Birth is 10/22/1980. Hope this helps.
I truly hope this is a lead they need. Lisa’s family needs closure and justice and all of us who care for her want to know what happened ☹ it is heart breaking to not have answers. Lisa was one of the sweetest people you could ever meet. My heart continues to go out to her family and especially her children. My prayers continue for her family for healing, closure, justice and for her children to be strong and live out their life knowing how much their Mom was loved and take that knowledge and move forward honoring their mom and spread her love and happiness to others. I pray they can help others with what they have gone through in honor of their mom because Lisa was so happy, full of life and love. She was so positive with a huge heart and I know she would do everything in her power to help others get through such tragic grief because she was always helping others the best way she could and always with a smile on her face. She is definitely missed by many 💔😢
well today marks 18 years sweet little guy you never had a chance to grow up it breaks my heart you never got to live your life have your first bike ride learn to swim join scouts fall in and out of love,,,your life was stolen from you..your little soul will always remain young I know you are in heaven and know the truth and what really happened on that horrible night I am so sorry the system and the law failed you…with all the evil in world I hope you are at peace in heaven sweet little man….
This little boy deserves justice…how horrible
Was he employed at Iowa Lutheran Hospital on the drug rehab unit for kids?
Thank you for all you do! I hope the person or persons responsible are brought to justice.. I’m sure you’re step father knew my great grandpa and or my grandpa.
Anyone ever question Sessions Harper? I know he was in on a law suit with Bertha. He has a history of violence and murder. Any connection between Angela Altman’s murder and hers? I know the Foy family has a history of murder and violence so could it be connected to illegal activity? She clearly had run in’s with the law since she was involved with the juvenile court system.
The podcast Criminology will be covering this case is March 2019.
Thanks for the update. If you discover a link, it would nice to publish it here if you don’t mind. I’d like to listen to it and presume others would as well.
I went to school with Jessica. As someone from Dodge who has seen a lot of crooked things, I believe the FDPD isn’t doing there job, do you really think they actually do work? I think if she knew/was involved with/ or friends with any Mosely’s, Foy’s, Pedigrew’s, Dikeman’s, they should really take another at them. Those families esp the Mosely’s and Foy’s are well known for violence and murder. Also, to get that close to her, it had to be a friend or someone she was involved with.
I think someone should speak to a man named Lance or Lancy Foy. He has a fake leg. While there was no way he was involved with the actual murder, he would have been a small child at the time, he may very well know who did it. He knows about 99% of the illegal activities in that town. He has a attitude problem so he may or may not talk. The she disrespected me statement sounds a awful like like a Mosely comment, so it’s worth looking at any Mosely’s she knew, male or female because the women in that family are as violent as the males.
I feel bad asking this because it’s personal and Angela is dead, could she have been having a sexual relationship with a married man or a man with a girlfriend? Maybe the wife/girlfriend found out about it. Has anyone ever spoke to Jessica’s father? Some men get evil if they have to pay child support. How she was murdered says to me it was personal. Was she involved in drugs or illegal activity? Did she hang around any criminals?
Maybe she owed drug money or just plain owed someone money? Fort Dodge is a place where rumors run wild and people tend to know everyone’s business but their own so it’s a matter of sorting out rumors from truths. Was she involved in criminal activity and knew to much? Was she protecting someone who owed someone money? Any chance of being involved in prostitution? I am trying to sort through rumors and gossip and get facts. Once you got facts, you have the person who killed her.
Dodge is not a big city and loyalty is not a huge trait in that town, once you put enough pressure on someone who may know something, I’m willing to bet they will snitch on who ever did it. Another name that comes up in gossip is Sessions Harper. He has a history of abuse and violence against women, and is currently in prison for raping and burning a woman who later died of her injuries. If she has a connection to him then it’s probably safe to say he did it. That’s the long and short of what I have heard and my idea’s. I turned 5 about 6 weeks before she was killed so everything I have heard is people talking about it over the years.
Also while I understand it is a painful subject for your family, maybe their unwillingness to talk about it may also come from the fact they know or at least have a idea who killed her. Sometimes families with protect a guilty family member, even if it hurts other people. Jessica I am very sorry about your mother and what you went through. I remember you being a very nice person and I truly hope they find out who did it.
Thank you for the comment…if possible I would like to speak with you further…my email is jmaltman1@yahoo.com if you feel comfortable reaching out to me.
Actually sids sometimes is used as a cause when they couldn’t find a cause. Genetic things can be passed on from just the mother, but it is odd that 4 died since logically it is a 50/50 chance something can be passed on to each child. Is there any way to test the bodies to see if it was something genetic? I’m not saying it wasn’t murder, but it should really be looked at since the grandmother also had so many babies die. Personally, I find it odd that no police or doctors noticed that she already had 2 dead children when the 3rd one died. Everything should be reviewed and if possible, exhume the kids bodies and look again.
I don’t know how relevant this is but it is sure an entertaining video I found on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fugiTaeVC_4
sorry .. it’s been taken down. It was a video trying to link all the axe murders so prevalent at the time. Wish I could find it again.
Terry, you’re right, it appears not much attention has been devoted to this case. My heart breaks for Tyrese and his family, and all the cold cases so similar to this one. Whoever killed Tyrese got a Stay-Out-of-Jail pass and God only knows why. Apprehending the killer(s) won’t bring Tyrese back, but #Justice needs to be served. (Carol here)
He is my daughters best friend we are the ones that found him but some of his friends woke me up early saying he was in trouble and than took me rite to his body seems kinda funny how they knew rite where he was so much dont add up not to mention he was there for a long time tell they came and got help and i dont get why they went and got my daughter to not tell her nothing so she came to get me to get info put of them why didnt they call 911 rite away
Terry, how frustrating, to think he might have been saved if they’d immediately called 911 rather than handle it the way they did. Someone must know what “trouble” he was in and who is pulled the trigger. It’s going on a year now, and still no suspects have been named? Who is working on the case, Des Moines police Sgt. Paul Parizek, or someone else? I’m so sorry for the loss of Tyrese and I hope someone is brought to justice soon.
Anthony murano bragged about killing him. They were spose to be good friends brothers but he say himself he lurred him there and popped him
Everyones been saying Anthony did it & to be honest hes the one that always is playing with guns🤷🏻♀️ the most💯
He did do it . Alden Turner got rid of the gun for him
Tito alden turner was in jail when all this happened. Tyrese is my sons God dad.
Thank you for commenting, Tito and Elisha. May the killer be arrested, tried, and found guilty! (Carol @ICC)
Murano or Murillo?
i cant believe no charges against the hospice nurse or anyone else pitifull just looked her up on facebook livin the life smh
Linda is a wonderful caregiver, she is kind, thoughtful and very professional. I feel bad that this family has suffered tragedies but there does seem to be misguided information contained in these documents that are mostly drafted by the family members and those quick top throw stones. Any poor nurse that would have been assigned to this family would have been accused of the same. This is not a cover up but merely a family having difficulty grieving and thus blaming their misfortune on others. If there was truth to the allegations the investigating parties have an obligation to remove those people from their positions.
yikes…I would say a caregiver that murders someone with stolen drugs is NOT a wonderful caregiver. Get out of here with that nonsense!
I have personally witnessed the care she provides I doubt that you have. Do you even know what kaexolate is, probably not. If the claims against this nurse had ANY validity she would have had her license revoked which it is not. As for what I said before, ANY nurse unfortunate enough to have been on shift that day would have been doomed with slander merely for have been present in that household of unhappy unfortunate people. Try to be better informed before making judgements regarding others.
I do happen to know what that is. You are a twisted individual to support a murderer!!
I think you’re full of shit Carl
He is most defs full of crap! He must know her well and she must have convinced him shes a great caregiver. Crazy
No, I based my opinion on facts. Like what the State board of Iowa Nursing wrote in CASE N0 05-365. People who would have investigated these so-called allegations and who only found one error in this person’s care. On January 14, 2004 the Respondent dispensed a topical medication to a hospice client (client A). Although the medication could be administered per physician standing orders the Respondent had obtained the medication from another hospice client’s (client B) home where she had visited prior to her arrival at the home of (client A).” Note the language used, not once is it described as stolen or does it mention medical errors. Unless you think you know more than nurses that have their masters degree who deal with these investigations every day.
Linda signed the Board of Nurses charges against her admitting she could go to jail for administering unprescibed drugs improperly, and had been cited for withholding Ray Powers drugs that she had withheld and others she had taken from Mr. Ray Powers home after he died earlier on 1/14/2004, and had them in her car when she went to Gary Lack’s home after Ray died. Where she observed in her notes that Gary’s vomit was blood but did not get Gary any help, just left after administering two little pills and dabbing a shiny clear fluid from tubes into the back of Gary’s throat (Ray’s DBR gel). Gary ‘s throat closed and he drowned choking on the blood vomit from his fall injury, from the night before, that Linda had refused transport help to get him to the hospital ER saying she was to busy.
Seems like his murder was not really looked at not much about it on the news or anything someone seen something and ppl know and if he had more attention on his case I know it would of been solved a long time ago #LLW #JUSTICEFORTYRESE #JUSTICEFORWILLY
Since his son was the police chief, I bet thre are files from his era that document investigative efforts. If he found an answer that would cast his father in a bad light, I would suspect that the investigatioin ended then. Better unsolved than disgraced I guess.
When I went there the tour guide that lived next door at the time stated that a family of there came there the week prior and the daughter was autistic or special and when she went into the attic (where they think the killer or killers hid) she began hysterically – saying bad man bad man in white. Many wondered if a doctor or someone who would have access to chloroform – could have committed the murders.
family of three (typo)
Was the bullet that killed her ever found? And if it was – was any testing done on his 20-gauge shotgun to see if this bullet could have been fired from his gun? And if she was sexually assaulted – I would guess DNA evidence was found. Was it ever compared to the suspect’s DNA? Any of the suspects for that matter. Scary to think that this individual may have killed again. Maybe another life could have been saved if in fact this was taken to trial. Convicted or not, many more eyes would have been on him and it would be hard to him to get away with anything once his name would have been published.
the pellets that they pulled from her face matched the box of ammo they found with the weapon in tom popps possession…
and the apartments tom popp lived in were very close to where they found her..
Do we know if they ever got a DNA sample and if they tested it?
Shotguns don’t use bullets!
First,I would like to offer My condolences to This Family. No parent should have to bury their Child. I am sorry to say this but I feel that those roommates are involved. Who else would have just out the blue,come and murder Him when he was well respected and Loved? Those roommates did it! Shame on them for not taking a polygraph test. Shame on them for letting these Marks Family and Friends go through the pain.
Y’all know what you did.
It’s gotta to be killing you inside
How do you sleep at night?
Hi. One of Nick’s best friends here.
You have no idea what you are talking about. You didn’t even know Nick. If you did, then you would know that his friends were more of a family to him than his blood relatives who were abusive and manipulative.
Your baseless accusations are hurtful and gross.
Thanks Sarah. I guess that I should check you off of my Christmas card list. As Nicholas would say, INTERESTING.
Oh Ronald, we both know you’ve never sent my family a single card in your life.
This is called sarcasm. Thank you.
With friends like this he clearly didn’t need enemies now did he?
Apparently not
Sarah ashby, or other alias you go by, please send me your actual living address, if you have one so legal can be served upon you without you hiding behind your huge girth. Thanks.
Sara ashby, you are boil and cyst on society and what Nicholas did, stood for, and accepted into his life. Ten years later you continue to attack his family and for what? Because you are a fat failure that couldn’t attract him like you wished.? Get off your love boat and feeling sorry for yourself. Everything you put on here degrades him. You unfortunately cannot be degraded anymore than the degenerate slothing scrogg that you are
You’ve started a war with my family and I fully accept it until I die. Every day it will be my purpose.
I will share my thoughts, I’m Charles mother, and he was at his cousin’s wedding wedding on August 17,2018 as his best man. They had a wedding reception afterwards, Andi talk to my son around 6:00 p.m. And told him I loved him to be safe. And I talk to my sister to and ask her to make sure Charles was safe. She said yes. I got a phone call at 3:15 a.m. that my son Charles was shot!!! And it was from a friend that got a call from from a girl from the house party. She asked her if she called called her mom which is me and she said no. So , she tried to get the police to talk to me on the phone and they refused i had to call the Muscatine police department yes I’m saying the the name because that’s the town it happened in. So i call the Muscatine police department, and the finally put me to and officer. And remind you I’m and your and a half away plus i called the father and the Aunt that said she would make sure Charles was safe. So the officer ask me if i was driving, im crying im saying no, he saying you need to hurry he is slipping away quickly so we are trying to rush. As soon as I hit Muscatine the police officer said he passed away!!! I lost it!!! When I got to the hospital remind you I have everything. I saw my son lying their in the blood. I saw where the shots were. So did my fiance. My son was shot from the left side behind the back of his lower kinda ear out to the upper the right side of his head. They tried to cover it up but we saw it. And the police call it suicide before they left police department after they got the call. The Hospital records will tell you its homicide. Just like us. The Corners report went by the police and witnesses. Their is more I should have said. And alot more to be said. But you can go to Iowa cold cases. Charles Williams Binxs Netherland. Sincerely, Penny Sue McDonnell
Have they checked Junk Yards or Impound Lots for the vehicle?
Junk Yards / Impound Lots should have to enter any license plates / VIN numbers into a database to easily track…..
I lived in Sioux City at the time and was only 7. I remember everyone talking about this as it happened just a short time after a kid in our neighborhood was kidnapped and killed as well. His name was Jimmy Bremmer and he and his sisters went to our grade school. It was a rough time back then and kids were scared. Our parents actually started locking the screen doors at night which never happened before all this. The garage they mention in the article was my grandfather’s.
Wilbur Millhouse and Frank Sykora, two former Des Moines Register employees, were both convicted of sexually abusing teen boys in the 1980’s. Millhouse told me several times that he knew who took Johnny and why. Last fall, I found a photo of the man who approached me in a Ford Fairmont in 1982, and guess what–he was a Des Moines Register employee. I think the key to solving Johnny’s disappearance is to find former victims of Register employees and ask them exactly what they remember hearing around the time of Johnny’s disappearance. I know the odds are against it, but I’m wondering if any former victims read this website and would be willing to speak out? Millhouse and Sykora had at least seven victims they were charged with abusing, but there may have been dozens more who never said a word about what happened to them.
I was Roosevelt area carrier .yellow bag ever
go camping w/millhouse.I dont remember
names cant help there but have alot (everything but the fairmont) in common.play softball?
Hi Bob,
I don’t remember Millhouse ever mentioning taking boys camping, but 37 years ago was a long time (I could have forgotten). I do remember Millhouse calling me multiple times trying to get me to meet him behind his house at night. I vaguely remember playing softball once with Millhouse. Were you abused by Millhouse? Did you ever hear anything about what happened to Johnny? My thought is: If Millhouse told me he knew what happened to Johnny, Millhouse may have told his victims much much more.
Hello Yellow Bag. In an earlier post, you mentioned Sunday carriers prepared the papers at home before setting off for delivery. This makes the third different possible way Johnny started his day. A couple of witnesses had him at 42nd and Ashworth and Chris Birge said on the podcast Johnny came up Marcourt to 42nd Street. Did every carrier throughout the metro assemble Sunday papers at home? Thanks in advance.
Hi Charles,
It was entirely possible to assemble Sunday papers at the bundle drop, especially if the weather was nice. I assume Johnny did that at 42nd and Marcourt. I think it’s likely the kidnapper parked his car, walked up to Johnny, and throttled Johnny with Johnny’s own paper bag straps (the yellow bag has never been found). I talked to John Rossi, and he told me about seeing Johnny at 42nd and Ashworth before the kidnapping. John was there picking up paper bundles to take them home so his son could assemble the papers there. Some questions I still have: 1) Was the guy John saw even involved in Johnny’s kidnapping? 2) Why did Johnny walk to Ashworth if he picked his papers up on Marcourt? 3) How did Johnny’s dog get back in the house if Johnny took the dog with him?
I was 17 in 1982 not much contact w/wilbur except softball team.I was more late 70s early 80s.the phone calls the 100$ bills the creepy “kids” all to familiar.Are you a TRHS area.I’m not a victim .I was approached by a large man on foot while delivering asking where the party at ,where can a guy get some action that sort of stuff.I can remember saying something like how would i know I’m only 13. I kept my distance as he.followed on foot for ahout a block at which point I dropped everything and ran like helll 2 blocks home. Today I still say i could’ve been johnny.
True story
I was an East High student when I met Millhouse. In 1982, when my family moved and I applied for a paper route in the Four Mile area, I got a creepy phone call from someone who knew the schools I had attended and described where items were located in my bedroom. There was a wooded vacant lot next to my house and he apparently had watched me there with binoculars. I am sure now that it was Millhouse. Did Millhouse ever say anything to you about Johnny Gosch? Do you know anyone that Millhouse hung out with? Do you know anyone Millhouse sexually abused? The DM Register rehired Wilbur Millhouse in 1978 AFTER he had been arrested for sexual abuse in 1975. As someone said, “They had to have known about Millhouse because his arrest was in their own damn paper.” If you haven’t done so already, I would recommend listening to the Faded Out Podcast, beginning with episode 13. Sarah Dimeo, a journalist from Connecticut, has done a great job looking into the likelihood that Johnny Gosch was kidnapped by a local person.
Hello Yellow Bag. The questions to you answers are 1) No 2) He didn’t 3) The presence of the dog is highly questionable, as are many other facets of this case.
I think you are right about #1. John Rossi told me the blue car at 42nd and Ashworth was probably a Mercury. John remembers the license plate hanging under the bumper, not above it. PJ Smith saw a silver Ford Fairmont at 42nd and Marcourt when Johnny was kidnapped. There is no reason to assume the two cars are connected in any way, other than John Rossi saw the Mercury driver talking to Johnny Gosch. I have to disagree with you on #2. John is an intelligent man and Johnny Gosch’s photo was all over the news. I just can’t believe that John would be mistaken about seeing Johnny talking to a man at 42nd and Ashworth. John still remembers it like it happened yesterday. I have walked that area a couple times, and it is not unreasonable to believe Johnny pulled his wagon through his back yard, went east on Ashworth, then north on 42nd to get to his paper drop at 42nd and Marcourt. It may have been a longer route, but perhaps less hilly. The stuff about flashing dome lights, a man coming out between two houses, chloroform, Johnny slumped over his wagon–none of that has ever been verified by anyone.
Why do you think it is 2 separate cars? A Mercury Zephr and Ford Fairmont are basically the same car. With it being around sunrise, it is possible that one person saw the car as two tone blue and other gray/black simply because one person saw the car before sunrise, the other person after sunrise.
It was 45 minutes before sunrise and 15 mintues before dawn. It was dark as night. There is no way anyone saw anything at 6 am on the morning of September 5, 1982.
You can’t see much from the corner of 42nd and Ashworth to the corner of 42nd and Marcourt during the middle of a sunny afternoon.
You are assuming because you knew him or knew of him, that his dad would not have been complicit in his kidnapping. It might be harder to have an open mind to that possibility. However, many confirmed weirdos were able to put on a good public face, and even private face. Deception can run very deep the worse the perversion they engage in.
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Yellow Bag – how did you find a photo of the man who approached you in the Ford Fairmont? Can you provide the link? Have you told the police? Thanks
I know 2 other abductors of JG that knew Millhouse. You may have seen them. Please send me your email and I will send you photos to ID them.
JR,
Due to some threats I have received, I would prefer not to post my email address on this website. If you have any specific information on the Gosch or Martin kidnappings, it would probably be best to contact DMPD homicide. Detective Shannon has my contact information, and I have told him everything I remember about the guy who tried to abduct me in 1982. You could also forward the photos to Mark Hinshaw, a WDM attorney who knows how to contact me.
Any news?
Yellow Bag, could you maybe create a protonmail account for people who want to communicate with you? They’re based in Switzerland.
can you reveal more about how you found the photo and post a link
Yellow Bag, who was the photograph of that you found who you believe was the Fairmont man? That would be a huge lead in this!
How can the FBI ignore the horrible alibi that the husband and Gugeler brothers gave. Why in the world would they park down the lane and walk to the house, unless they were going to kill her for being out late and wanting a divorce. There is DNA testing now, where you can get a composite of what the killer looks like, this has solved many lingering cases.
David has been entered into Namus: https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/54906
And his sister has a twitter account that she’s using to help look for him: https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/54906
I wonder where the murder he witnessed took place. He has connections to Chicago, Des Moines and now Los Angeles. He most likely would be using an alias to better not be tracked online.
So sad. Such a smart and focused guy. He had a bright future. I pray there is justice for him.
Right after he was missing,we were headed to Mt Ayr on hwy 2&saw a skinny man on north side of old Kerjeans’place.There is timber on the south side.There was no one else around the buildings.Tried to leave message with Clarke Co. Sheriff,but don’t know if anything happened.
Wonder if this could be connected to the boy in the box in 1957!
Harold Kempf is my uncle by marriage. I totally believe he was/is capable of something like this.
Oh wow!
Thank you for being honest!!
Do you ever remember seeing anything suspicious?!
I have a theory, based mostly on what I heard and saw on the evening of April 7th 1978. And something a retired Sioux Falls Policeman told me, along with info from the Wilma June Nissen cold case info.
I think a Police Captain from a party at the FOP lodge #1 murdered Wilma June Nissen April 7th 1978.
Prior to April 1978, I was walking past the FOP in old East Sioux with some friends. They were having a loud party with a lot of cheering going on, so we walked over and looked in an open door. The place was packed and they had Strippers giving a show. The girls were coming out the open door with guys and had some private sessions outside. Someone noticed us and told us this wasn’t for kids and told us to leave.
(The Fraternal Order of Police is a fraternal organization consisting of sworn law enforcement officers in the United States. It reports a membership of over 325,000 members organized in 2,100 local chapters, state lodges, and the national Grand Lodge. Wikipedia)
30 some years later, I was talking to a guy on vacation, He said he was a retired Policeman from South Dakota. I told him I grew up just east of Sioux Falls. Somehow the FOP lodge #1 was brought up. I mentioned that I had seen some wild parties at the FOP when I was a kid. He started talking about some of the wild things they did at the FOP, He said that they use to have Hookers for the Parties. And that they had them at a remote location just over the state line, so that they wouldn’t get into trouble as much when if they got caught. He mentioned that the old wild days of the FOP were over. And that the meetings at the current FOP weren’t nothing like the old days. He said that the days of having Hookers ended when a girl was found murdered and that they weren’t sure if she was from one of their parties or not. And that they did their own investigation and didn’t think that she was from their party. But he wasn’t sure. But he thought that it was a turning point for the FOP, and that they turned into more of a community helping theme. Based on what I saw as a kid, no reason to think he wasn’t telling the truth.
On April 7th 1978 some friends and I were walking into Gitchie Manitou State Preserve. It’s in the North West corner of Iowa 2 mile south of the FOP. We had parked in a parking spot on the state line and walked into the park. We heard some arguing behind some brush. It was dark and we didn’t see anyone. But we heard the arguing and what sounded like a guy wresting with a girl. And the guy was demanding that she give it to him. Then they’d wrestle some more and he’d demand she hand it over. Another voice sheepishly said, Come on Cap, let her have it she earned it. There was some silence and we heard a car door or trunk and then we heard a voice yell, NO just before the first shotgun blast. The Girl let out a scream, mid scream there was a second shot that silenced her. The shotgun kept shooting, and we all ran back to our car. We were a bit noisy getting to the car and were afraid to start the car. We saw the car lights from the area of the shots and they were heading to the other end of the park where the road entered the Preserve. It stopped for a few minute a short distance from the exit. We were discussing what we heard and we thought it was Law enforcement. We recalled that the one guy called the other Cap. And that this could have been a policeman pleading with his superior officer. It was dark but it looked like the car was white. Not black / white. It didn’t seem to have any shinny logo on the side. When it continued and left the Preserve, it went out of view and we were ready to take off north on the highway if it turned our direction. I didn’t notice or see lights on the roof. The car drove off into Iowa. We decided to drive into the Preserve and see what we could. When we entered the Preserve we drove up on a Truck and Cabover camper in the area that the car had stopped. Two guys in there mid 20s were standing next to the back camper door. We had to drive right past them. We were scared and thought for sure we were going to get shot. Our headlights were on them and they didn’t have any guns. They took a couple steps toward us, but just watched us drive by. It was a dead end into the Preserve and we had to turn around and drive past them again. They just watched us again. We got out of the Preserve and stopped and watched them at a distance. They started their truck and headed toward the exit, we notice a taillight out, and a running light that went out when the brakes were on. They turned our way and we had the impression that they were chasing us, and we took off down some gravel roads, got lost a bit. Seemed like an hour later, we came up behind them on a highway. There was a couple cars between us. We thought it was the Truck and Camper and when they hit their brakes, we knew it was the same truck. we decided to follow it and get a license plate number. Shortly after it turned right, it hit its blinker to go left down a gravel road. We didn’t feel comfortable turning right behind them, so we went down the highway a bit and turned around and came back to the gravel road they turned down. We soon came up on them, and they were parked on the side of the gravel road. I was in the back seat and Todd and Dean were in the front seats. They both said “there they are”, and then said that they are in the ditch, they were coming out and throwing something. I asked if it was a body. They both said no. then they said it was a shirt. At this point I can see the guy running to get into the passenger door, but I was focusing on the license plate. Dean was driving and Todd and I were trying to get the plate number. We passed them just as the guy got into the truck. and they must have recognized the car and gave chase. They gained on us fast. And I was yelling at Dean to go faster. I was looking back and Dean was slowing up for a one lane bridge that sent us airborne a bit. And I was looking back at the Truck and Camper about to run us over. It started swerving and had to get to the middle of the road to make the one lane bridge. The Truck was a one ton dually and he barely got centered on the bridge, the truck and camper went airborne and it looked like the camper was going to fall off. The truck was going too fast for the bridge and he got a little sideways in the air, and got sideways when it landed. The driver over corrected one way then the other, and the camper was rocking, but he straightened it out and started after us again. We got on pavement and they couldn’t keep up. This section of road before the bridge where the two were in the ditch is the same section they found Wilma June Nissen 6 months later. We later that night came up on them again. We follow them and they stopped and washed themselves in a run off creek north of Brandon S.D. a couple miles. We got the license plate again. 9803ME.
I’ve talked to Lyons county a few times over the yrs. And they say it has nothing to do with the Wilma June Cold Case. But I still think she is who I heard scream.
I notice the same truck and camper in the summer of 78. I followed it a bit. They still didn’t have the taillight and camper running light fixed. Same plate 9803ME. It pulled into a parking area on 10th Street in Sioux Falls and an older guy got out and when around and opened the door for his wife. Seemed like a retired couple, but the guy was short and had a wide head, round just like one of the younger guys that we saw April 7th 1978, I figured that the kid must have borrowed Dad or Grandpa’s truck and camper that night.
Ken Nurre, I assume you are related. Although it was long before your time, my apologies. It is hard to think of even a stranger in Mr. Nurre’s situation, much less a relative who is loved without even having to know him.
And then comes the possibly inappropriate question, which if it is, forgive me. But… any theories passed down over time?
The girl killed in the dry cleaning shop on Fleur was named Linda Boothe, and it happened pretty much how you remember it Nancy. She is not mentioned here and the only info online is an image of the archived newspaper. I hope she is eventually included.
All of you involved in the creation and maintenance of this site are doing a good, it is important stuff, and these victims deserve justice. Thanks.
Maggie, thanks so much for your kind words about this site. Linda Boothe is not included here because her case never went cold. She was killed Nov. 20, 1968, and Michael C. Niccum was charged in her death and found guilty during his 1969 trial. All best, Jody @ ICC
I am producing an in depth podcast episode about this case, and I am looking to connect and talk with anyone who might have info, or be connected to the case as far as being hotel staff, or witnesses, etc. Contact me here- http://themurderinmyfamily.com/story-submissions/
Has anyone ruled out if Norma could be the “Belle in the Well” Jane Doe found in WV?
Hi,
Idk, if you know this already but Belle in the Well was identified as Louise Flescher in July of ’19. That is a very good guess, though. Age, describrion, and time were close.
Hello,
Here is some additional information about this case. According to newspaper articles published in 1996, Humberto Cortez was a Mexican citizen who was 31 at the time of his death in the United States. Over his life, Cortez entered the United States numerous times and had a criminal record (though the specifics were not given in the articles). The Associated Press ran an article on September 11, 1996, which quoted Iowa DCI Special Agent Bob Henderson’s announcement that the body was identified after a positive match to the victim’s fingerprints were obtained through the automated fingerprint identification system operated by the California Department of Justice.
The manner of death and the discovery of the body is as follows in roughly reverse chronology. At approximately 10:15 AM on Friday, June 21, 1996, a load of steel inside an open-roof train car was inspected as it was pulled into a facility operated by the Paxton & Vierling Steel Company. Inside the car, an employee of the steel company discovered Cortez’ body in a state of heavy decay. Prior to his death, Cortez had been beaten and then stabbed in the heart. According to Agent Henderson, the victim had been deceased for two to three days at the time the body was discovered. At the time the body was discovered, investigators described the victim as a “white or Hispanic” male between the ages of 25 and 30.
Investigators were able to generate a timeline of the train car’s whereabouts, which provided a likely place of death. The train car had originated from Texas, where it was loaded and sent north. Approximately a week and a half prior to the discovery of the body, the car arrived at the railyard in Council Bluffs, Iowa, before crossing into Omaha, Nebraska. It remained stationary at Omaha until the morning of June 20, 1996, when it was moved to the facility at Carter Lake. It arrived at about 9:00 AM but did not receive further processing at that time. The body was discovered when the car was moved into the steel company’s facility about 24 hours later. This suggests that Cortez died while the train car was in Omaha, suggesting the same was his place of death. In addition, this suggests that his date of death was approximately between June 18 and June 20 of 1996. Police did not say whether he was killed in the train car or the body placed there at some point afterward.
Paxton & Vierling Steel Company, now called PVS, still operates in Carter Lake and is owned by parent company Owen Industries. I believe that “Humberto Cortez” may not have been the victim’s full, legal name, making it difficult to find information about the man in Mexican sources. While his date of birth was not provided, the AP article from September 11, 1996 provides an age which corresponds to a birth year of either 1965 or 1966. Because Cortez’ fingerprints were on-file in California, he may have had a criminal record in that state. Agent Henderson did not specify the state in which Humberto had a record, or the nature of that record. Based on the fact that he was known by law enforcement to have been in and out of the United States, it is possible that his record included immigration-related offences.
I have not been able to locate any details on Cortez’ personal life, his occupation, or other places of residence.
I hope this information helps answers some of the questions that have been asked, as well as fills in some “blanks” and clarifies some of the facts.
Jack Jackson
I’m now 37 years old. I still think of my dad. And how many of my family members died without knowing. I wonder if his killer is still alive. Why ? Please if anyone reading this knows or thinks something might help, no matter how small, please contact the detectives.
Hi Maria, my wife is your dad’s cousin. Please contact us. Thank you! Greg & Bonnie Cleveland
Carter lake is one of many places on both sides of the river where each stage has land in the others boundary. Carter lake is the only full city though. I was there the day Mr Cortez was found. In his state of decomposition there would have been no usable dna. Imo he died when the cars were connected causing the load to shift and Mr Cortez was killed by the ibeams
Praying they solve this murder uncle Jack.
Your niece,
Lori P.
I am Paul Rayer’s Granddaughter and I pray they will solve this case someday too!! 😢
Hello Tina, we will keep praying!
I am Sandy his oldest sister i pray they find soon
Hi mama! Yes we will keep praying they solve this!
This gentle men seems to meet all the quailfications of the man that was found in the old no frills in council bluffs a few days ago. 05 to 19. That’s 14 years of chances to be mumiffied, also the hair is of the corpse is African hair. The corpse defiantly looks to be a male as well. I think they found him.
I just read an article saying that the company closed that No Frills location in 2016. That is only a bit less than 3 years ago.
Kendall, have you heard anything further about the identity of the person found in the store in Council Bluffs?
Welcome back Jody !
There are no details to support him being considered as endangered/physical. It would be nice if the authorities provided more details on his conditions.
Patrick, how do you know that there are no details to support Mr. Blair being considered as endangered/physical? In fact, that is precisely how the Iowa Department of Public Safety’s Missing Person Information Clearinghouse describes his “incident type” (aka classification).
Authorities provide the details on any given case on a need-to-know basis, meaning that they release whatever information they can without jeopardizing an ongoing investigation. There are certain details, for instance, that only a killer would know or only an abductor would know. In a missing persons case, they are often provided limited details by whomever reported the individual as missing.
Iowa’s MPIC website continues to change day to day as people are reported missing and others are found. If the investigating agency provides them with a photo, then they include that on the site. The folks running the MPIC site do a remarkable job of keeping the pages updated, and it is not their responsibility to provide details on the potentially “hundreds” of questions that any given person might ask. It is their job, however, to maintain an updated database, and they do that extremely well.
Jody at ICC
Jody, thanks for your response. But it would be nice to know a bit more. I am of the opinion that law enforcement could do a more detailed search if they knew more about a person’s medical or physical condition.
In the last 2 years I came across a psychological disorder called “Dissociative Fugue”, a form of amnesia, that is caused by severe emotional trauma, such as marital discord, PTSD, a death in their family. The person completely loses the link to their memory, and flee where they live.
In a search for someone with this disorder, we might look at whether they were on foot or driving. They we create a search area, and alerts other agencies, medical facilities, and homeless shelters, to be on the alert for a person matching that description. The Salvation Army has a Missing Person’s Bureau, which can be used to alert their facilities around the country.
Their are several individuals who have had several episodes of this condition. One of them is a Hannah Upp, who disappeared in New York, and was found alive floating in the Hudson River. She disappeared in Maryland, and was found within hours. Then she disappeared on a island in the Gulf of Mexico, due to an approaching hurricane, and has not been found.
I was a police officer and detective at two VA Medical Centers in Chicago. When we had a missing patient, whether an out or in patient, we had to determine is full medical condition, and mental status, so that we could notify the hospital director, who would authorize us to notify the Chicago Police Department. This would add more resources in a search for the person.
We had situations where an out-patient completed their appointment, and left before their family showed up to taken them home. Quite often the family would say he or she was confused. When we called the patient’s home, later, they would answer the phone. When asked how they got home, their response was taking the bus. So, I guess they were not that confused.
So, I get frustrated with many of the missing persons, where their is very few details on their disappearance. I don’t understand how law enforcement don’t dig for more details. They have access to more resources then I had, yet we were required to get as much information as possible. I am used to digging through records, especially medical ones, looking for information, clues, etc. This was hard when the medical records were hand written. Plus we had to know the medical lingo.
I was wondering if he ever used the VA, for medical care. It’s something to look into. Also, it appears no activity on his SS #.
His siblings should have checked on him, when they he called about needing money. This way they could have identified what was going on that he had medical issues, or was being exploited by this couple.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Cannot dwell on what if’s now. You think the family doesn’t know this and probably has guilt issues without the comments to assist!
In 1975 most of the immigrants in Storm Lake were Asian and Hispanic…No one remembers African Americans from that year??
This took place in 1995, not 1975.
What race was the baby?
I lived in that park for a while back in 94/95… Mostly Hispanics and Asians.
I honestly can’t remember! I grew up in Storm Lake and still live here, so I was around when it happened. But I really can’t remember what race the baby was!
Just sickening how anyone can do that to an innocent child!
Wow…just came across this story…Is Kline Goeders the same one who is involved with Leader Dogs for the Blind? Unbelievable no one has done anything with this case if the involved persons are known! Prayers for Mamie’s family…I remember hearing this story about her growing up in Laurens, Iowa
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Why doesn’t someone contact the Governor or the media. I’d like to see this solved. There is cold case justice with Kelly Siegler or 20/20, dateline, forensic files many sources.
happy 20th birthday in heaven ricky you are not forgotten you live on in memories of those who loved you!
I have a strong feeling that everyone is too focused on his drug addiction as motive to his disappearing! Think out side the box, ppl don’t always kill ppl that owe them $ the logic is “how can adead or missing person pay back debts . It makes me suspicious of local police department having cover up an accidental death. I pry this family will be able to get the answers for there questions. I cant begin to imaoima the pain of not knowing. God bless this man and his family. Please listen to me as I can get strong feelings of the answers lies in the lack of not wainting to investigate leads. Police department, state trooper, possible even Drug enforcement officers.please look into this your time won’t be wasted… Rodney Clint clark
Since a shotgun was used, their would be no shell casings. Most likely there might have been some stray pellets. These might point to what size shotgun was used. Somebody knows who did this and is protecting them.
There was a guy in Ohio, who found the body of a girl, and claimed that a mentally damaged young man, was standing over her body, with a weapon used to kill the girl. The young man was arrested and confessed, but then he would confess to being in Ford’s Theater when Lincoln was shot if pressured.
Luckily, he was released. It turned out a newspaper journalist decided to relook at the case almost 40 years later. It led to the family of the guy who claimed to found the other guy, to admit that he actually kidnapped and killed the girl. He was dead from cancer. They had no problem with protecting him all those years. Plus he had a previous criminal record of some sort.
The local police apologized to the family for the lousy investigation done by the department all the years ago.
I would say 99% likelihood that him and the truck went into the Mo. river near the old Argosy Casino location in Sioux City.
Frank, that’s sounds like a possibilty, from the map showing the location. However, if there is a current his vehicle could have been carried downstream. However, it depends on the depth of the river in the area. Thee are a number of vehicles found underwater, that contained remains of some people missing for years. The problem is spending the money to conduct a search. The main tool is side scanning sonar. It also time consuming endeavor.
Frank, I checked a map and did not see any lock and dams on the Missouri, so the vehicle could floated downstream. Would there have been a boat ramp near the casino. Also was this a populated area, and if he entered the river would anyone have heard or seen anything.
I searched on-line for more information on the Missouri River, and the main channel depth was about 6 feet. However, a few Coast Guard vessels ran aground, so it was deepened to about 9 feet. Their was no mention of how wide the river is.
I could not find any reference to what the current speed was. But there are some dams on the river, but they are connected to generating electricity.
Frank, you mention a Argosy Casino, however, it does not appear on any of the AAA Road Maps I have of Sioux City. There is one in Kansas City, along the river.
So, if his vehicle went into the river, it might not have gotten into the main channel. But, I don’t know the dimensions of the Ford F-150.
Patrick, with all due respect, many, many efforts were made by local law enforcement agencies to try and locate Mr. Robinson. If you read any of the newspaper stories published about his disappearance (under “Sources,” it includes links to those articles), you will see what investigators have done thus far, and it is substantial.
In any story about Dale Robinson’s disappearance, one cannot reasonably expect the reporter to “mention how wide the river is/was at the time” or the speed of its current. But, for what it’s worth, when LE officials do believe a person and his/her vehicle may have gone into a river, the depth and current are obviously taken into consideration during the investigation’s initial first phases.
I’m well aware (from your multiple comments throughout this site) that you are a former investigator with the VA Hospital in Chicago and investigated items/things that “went missing” from the hospital, to include veterans that disappeared. It’s not uncommon for veterans (or even civilians for that matter) to voluntarily leave a medical facility, but when VA patients go missing, there’s at least a reasonable amount of knowledge as to where the patient may “likely” have gone. Not so with civilian cases, particularly when one appears to have just vanished into thin air.
Jody at ICC
I was just responding to Frank’s comments. I was looking into stuff about the Missouri River. If you are familiar with the missing Guthrie Family from New York. The local authorities said that her vehicle could not have gone through the ice into a local lake. That you could have driven a car onto the ice.
However, someone who lived in the area commented that she would not consider it smart to have driven a car or other vehicle onto the ice of this lake or any other one. So, I was looking at the Missouri River, to satisfy my interest, in one way.
Since, we have found a few stolen vehicles in one of artificial canals that were built or added on to the Chicago River. The Chicago River’s flow was changed to take the garbage, and whatever down stream and away from Lake Michigan.
One of them contained the remains of a Diane Masters, whose husband was an attorney for the Chicago Mob, and involved in corruption in law enforcement and political areas in this neck of the woods. He decided to get rid of her before she revealed his connections,
A human body is one thing, it is fairly small and will decompose over time. But the truck can’t fly away, is easily indentified by license plate or VIN, and will not decompose. So it should have turned up by now. So, unless you are inclined to believe he met with foul play (I strongly doubt it), the truck, and probably him, is in all likelihood submerged in a body of water. What are the other options? Truck isn’t gonna disappear. Go ahead and google the lake in Oklahoma where two cars were found containing the bodies of 6 missing persons from the 60’s and 70’s. Or the 3 missing vermillion girls found in the creek in their car after 40 years. If a person and their vehicle disappear into thin air, it’s submerged or foul play was involved, period, end of story. I lean very strongly towards he accidentally drove into a body of water.
Frank, I agree with your comments about the the lake in Oklahoma. I have been trying to collect information on these cases from around the country. Sometime last year a man, while cutting his grass noticed part of a vehicle sticking out from a pond on his property. The authorities drained it and found the vehicle of a woman missing after leaving a veterans post supposedly driving home, on a Indian reservation.
Side scanning sonar has been used in a number of these cases. It also expensive to conduct a search. I have been looking at one of the tools we used in the U.S. Navy, to search for submarines called Magnetic Anomaly
Detection. It’s was something we had on land based P-3C Orions, and also on some navy helicopters.
It might something faster. Also, I wonder about the Unmanned Underwater vehicles the U.S. Navy is testing. They might be more useful, to use, with a model, with out all the bells and whistles, they have.
I just watched the Jodi H case on 48 Hours, and did a little digging online to find, surprise surprise, the piggies were involved in her death. I guess she was asking all the WRONG questions in a 100% satanic system she unknowingly got involved with. (media & jewdicial system).
George had 3 sons. Bruce. Patrick and Joe. They never had the chance to enjoy a father.
Thank you for the information, Ralph. I’ve added it to George’s case summary.
All three sons are alive. Bruce and Patrick live in North Dakota. Joe lives in Mn. Who are you? Thanks
Jody. I just read your profile. Sorry for your lose. Thank you for what you do.
WOW THERE ARE OTHERS: THE WOMAN WHO GOT KILLED BY THE HOSPITAL AND EVERYONE KNEW WHO DID IT NO ARRESTS! THE BODY FOUND IN THE GARAGE LAST YEAR I THINK? THE GUY WHO JUST DIED AFTER BEING IN BOOTLEGGERS! I AM SURE A LOT MORE!
Lora you reference a Steve Klein, in regards to three cold cases in Iowa. Do you have more information in regards to his connection to these cases. Also, the ex-husband would be a person of interest in her murder, since there was a custody battle of sorts over their child. Being a mean guy, is not exactly proof that he killed her. Law Enforcement need more facts and a district attorney, would have to back them up before a judge.
Were was her husband during this time ? I didn’t see were they questioned him.
Police confirmed that her husband was out of town with many family members validating that fact. Of course it’s possible he hired to have it done but law enforcement do not think he was involved per the articles I’ve read.
Seems to me she “was in the wrong place, at the wrong time”.
I have some thoughts on this myself. Sometimes people establish a solid alibi for themselves. That doesn’t mean they are necessarily innocent.
I agree! He moved away and has a family of his own not long after she was murdered!
Ladies,
We’re definitely aligned in that it’s very possible that her husband (or anybody for that matter) could establish an irrefutable alibi and still be responsible by having a proxy do the criminal act. I said as much in my post.
The husband moving away could be a function of guilt (as suggested) or him/her being inappropriately labeled within the community.
If he was responsible, he should spend the rest of his life in prison.
Why would a young seemingly healthy woman go out to a remote location alone.? That is just playing out her luck. I would be scared of a pindrop out there.
She went fishing at a lake. She texted her friends and posted while there. She even said she saw people having sex in a car while there. I don’t think people should be afraid of going to a public dock during the daytime to go fishing. I’m more curious on why no one has came forward and admitted to being out there since she did see other ppl there. That’s what seems weird. Either a set up from her soon to be ex hubby or just random act of violence.
Very sorry I tried to delete the comment it ouldnt let me
Is that John Joseph Carmody puke at all related to Mark Carmody of Sturgeon Bay? That particular puke molested numerous Sturgeon Bay kids back in the 1940’s and 1950’s, and got away with it. Not one freaking Sturgeon Bay parent did their job.
Patti Fravel had something to do with it..
Whoa!…What?!?
I believe Patti Fravel is involved. But Karma has hit her 10 fold.
Delphine, thanks for looking at these cases, from long distance. Hopefully, someone will look at this Gary Lynn Frazier character. Who knows there are other links between these victims.
Your observations keeps people’s mind relooking at the details, and maybe someone will connect them. Who knows how many other murders of young women, in other states are linked.
Was the abduction done by CIA?do tou think the FBI didnt do anything for johnny gosch?do U.S government supports pedophilia ring?is jeff gannon johnny gosch?do child sex trade exists in USA anymore?is paul bonacci still alive?do cia and fbi still help children abusing?why it was no justice for johnny gosch?why the FBI didnt interviwed paul bonacci?is usa safe to live?was the emilio worked in the cia?why the court didnt charged larry king?was johnnys father involved in the abduction(was john gosch sold johnny to the ring?)was michael aquino(the colonel)charged with any cime?how much did you spend on private investigation?what did the FBI do for you?is jeff gannon johnny gosch?who supports child sex trade in the america?was the illuminati or freemasons involved the crime?
Those are very good questions. Please visit myTwitter profile at https://twitter.com/goschjohnny I answer many of your questions there and have been presenting some of the evidence I have.
Although I was not born during these tragic events that affected Waverly and its region, it is unimaginable not to feel sadness and compassion for Julie’s family and loved ones. I hope that the police investigation will give them the answers they have been waiting for so many years. Despite the distance between my native France and the United States, I’m haunted by this dark affair and the deep sense of injustice that this crime generates. As a journalist, I feel compelled to hunt down the truth wherever it is hidden, in order to honour Julie’s memory. Since I started studying this case, I have felt a deep sense of injustice and many questions…
Is there a link between Julia’s murder and the events of December 2, 1975 in Oelwein? In the killer’s process, there are many similarities with the murder of young Sheila Foley. Did the police go to the anamosa state penitentiary to question Gary Lynn Frazer about his schedule on the fateful evening of November 28? Is it a coincidence that the crimes have stopped on Waverly since his arrest? Anyway, I’m wondering. Like the famous letter sent to the police from Oelwein. Can’t we collect traces of DNA from the envelope? And the city of Oelwein which keeps turning our eyes away from Waverly; As if someone rightly or wrongly wanted us to turn our eyes towards this neighbouring city…
Of course, I don’t draw any conclusions, I am just trying to understand. Thanks.
Did you ever check to see what Gary Frazer from Oelwein who murdered Sheila Foley was doing at that time. I really think he is your guy.
For this case I’ve always wondered where she was going. She was last seen at 11pm on New Year’s Eve, but was also reported missing on that same day apparently. Was she reported missing before or after that last sighting? Where she was last seen is mostly apartments. If she was out and about at 11pm on New Year’s Eve she was probably going to some party or to meet up with some people. Was she alone when she was last seen?
This makes me sick to my stomach. My heart goes out to you and your family, Veronica. I was born and raised in North central Iowa, lost both parents to cancer. As for ALL those involved in this cover up, no amount of money or piously sitting in church on Sunday will save them from the fires of hell. Have you ever reached out to Erin Brokovich? She has a website where she can be contacted. It would be worth the try.
It sounds like there is a major problem in Mason City, Iowa. It would be nice of an outside agency to come in and investigative. Maybe, we can get the KGB, to get to the bottom. They don’t have to worry about being probable cause, warrants, or Miranda rights. They will figure out the truth. Then the bad guys can be sent to some salt mines in Siberia.
I’d like to know if Brian’s cousin, Jerry Burns, ever participated in the searches for Brian. What was his demeanor after Brian’s disappearance (on the anniversary of Michelle Martinko’s murder) and three days after an anonymous tip the authorities deemed as “credible.”)
They should check the house today and see if anything is there or if it is in a different part of the house just saying
My dear mother Ellen passed away December 10th of last year, she is now with her sister in heaven and both are enjoying them selves. My moms sister loved the Lord, and so did my mother, both are rejoicing today. The man that murdered my aunt is dead, and he will have his day standing in front of the king of kings and account for his crimes. It is ended.
hope things are good for you Izzy.
Janette, Please contact me! It’s been sooo many years
Hello Dear, No idea how to contact you. Surprised I made the decision to stop by Mother’s site today. Hope your life has been good.
Jody Ewing can provide you with my email address. She said she sent Janette an email. I’m on Facebook too, please find me! I wanna talk to her so bad.
I had no clue how much Janette and her mom looked alike. It kinda took my breath for a sec. Jdday2001@yahoo.com – does your daughter look like her too? I so hope you see this and reach out to me.
I agree the FBI, should be involved in this case, since it crosses state lines. However, the only record they would have had would be an entry to NCIC, that she was missing. So, it falls on the locals to determine what happened, and who is responsible. However, the family should have sued this Joseph character, for his leading her high and dry, which somehow led to her murder. Also, age wise she was a minor, and he could be charged with a federal crime.
It would be nice to know more information on this Joseph character. At least the detective in Washington, D.C., recognized her otherwise she would be an unidentified Jane Doe, until DNA from the family,
Interesting… wrong is wrong and one should be punished for wrong doings, but in americal a white man who rapes AND kills gets 10 years with 2 years time served and potential for early release and a black guy committed of raping a woman gets 25 to life–she is still living by the way. wrong is wrong and both should be punished but tell me how this is fair?
My father went to his grave thinking it was a woman that killed her and her name was Chris kiburtz at the time as I was on a bowling team with her and right after that she had hurt her wrist in a “volleyball game” at the bernedes center in Monticello and when she came to bowling she was constantly looking out the door saying they are coming to get her and we said who and she said the people whatever that meant she was very fidgety at the time and shortly after that she moved to Chicago
Hello Lisa, I actually have no idea who you are and you obviously don’t know me very well! Nothing you just said is true other than the fact that I did bowl (not with you) and I did play volleyball. I am responding to this because good friends of mine in Monticello saw this and are very angry with you for the slander and defamation of character! I’m not happy about it either, but those who know me know that this is nothing I would, or could, ever do! Cathy was my friend and I was very close to her brother as well. When I got the news of her death it was unbelievably heartbreaking!! I had been in Chicago for Christmas and when I pulled into the driveway the following day , my neighbor (Cathy’s cousin) informed me of everything. I did everything I could to help police find who did it. I moved back to Chicago 4 months later because my divorce and just become final and this is where I am from. All my Family is here, so naturally I moved back. I do and always have come back to Monticello every year to see my very close friends that I made while living there. You can think what you want, but you could not be further from the truth! Christine Schejbal (Kiburz)
Lisa, Please see the comment policy for this page and make your comments civilized and constructive! No personal attacks please. Be respectful of others!
We need to get a retainer for the complaint That Tim Allen has filed on Union County officals!! This is a Shot for us to get Rickys case files and force Piel and Kenyon to own up to what has been covered up for so long! Please donate if you can!!! We need to raise $2,500!!! https://www.gofundme.com/f/attorney-needed-asap-for-ricky-morehouse-cold-case
The Iowa County Attorney started a cold case unit. Let get ahold of her and reopen it
Still hoping DNA could solve the George A Leonard case. My 90 year old mother in law and the entire family would still like closure to this senseless act.
I find it interesting that there is no mention of a husband. So, I assume she may have been married and divorced. There is a mention of the police being sent to do a well being check, by her daughter, who lived out of town. The grandson and granddaughter’s husband, going to check on her. But, there is no reference to any of her family surviving her.
Also, she was running some sort of massage business out of her home. I assume that she had a background in physical therapy. However, someone may have thought it might be a massage parlor, with a more sexual atmosphere. So, they go there and have certain expectations, and find something different, and took out their frustrations on Mrs. Swetnam. Then ransacked the place, looking for something of value.
These are only assumptions, but hopefully it will get others to add comments or observations, to further the conversation, and generate some leads.
Based on Cheryl and Gregory Williams comments, which I find very credible, it seems to me the best chance of the family receiving justice is if the DNA matches Goose and he implicates Therese Miller. This scenario assumes that Miller’s DNA isn’t a match if her role was actually limited to luring Ron Novak to the door.
The fact that Goose is under the Witness Protection program may be an asset. Leverage may exist (again if his DNA is a match) that he will be charged and his Witness Protection revoked. Goose wouldn’t last long in prison in the general population as he already “snitched” once, he would have little choice but to talk. Offer him a deal with less time to implicate Miller and put him in protective custody in prison and then back in Witness Protection program upon his release.
If the DNA matches the other deceased killers, there is little chance the leverage exists for Goose, Miller, or other members of The Chosen Few that may know something to have them talk.
Was John Wayne Gacy ever checked out? I know he was in Iowa/Illinois around that time and there are still unidentified bodies. Just wondering. I have prayed about this off and on or many years since I was a little girl.
Guy Heckle is my nephew. As I remember it, Guy’s dental records were sent to the authorities investigating the John Wayne Gacy case with no match found. One detective in particular was in touch with my sister regularly and would send dental records whenever unidentified remains were found. Thank you to everyone for keeping this unsolved missing person case in the news.
Hello Janet! My name is Lilly Usher, and I would like to do an episode on Guy for a podcast I run about missing people in Iowa. I would like to get permission from his family before I would make an episode on him, and possibly interview his family. If you would email me that would be great! my email is lillyusher1@gmail.com
Thanks!
Was you able to make the podcast on Guy Heckle?
Hi Lilly..I’m Guy’s first cousin. His mom is my sweet Aunt Nancy. Did you ever do a PID cast about his case??
The timeline doesn’t match for Gacy. Gacy was already back living in Chicago at the time.
Unbelievable – this guy is now connected to 3 very suspect deaths / disappearances.
It’s extremely unfortunate this total waste of skin was able to be free for nearly 40 years.
The good news is that he’s toast, no way he ever will be a free man again. And better yet, he will spend eternity in the deep recesses of hell.
Each day is met with this loss not unlike the day before. A place of alone I cant dscribe. A living hell, is this place that I have been banished to. All alone in the knowledge of what occurred, digesting it daily, considering it and re-considering it, only to come back to find myself again awakening to the repetitious nightmare that has became my life
I’m just glad that with today’s advanced technology the police are able to crack cold cases such as these from so long ago. A century ago, and perhaps even as late as Martinko’s death year of 1979, I don’t know if cops anywhere on Earth could EVER have brought a killer to justice after so many years.
Fascinating.
I don’t have words for this. I am shocked an amazed in the most terrible way. I can’t believe I didn’t hear more about this when it happened. I will be doing some research to see if anything else has ever come of this, and the previous, case. Into the cradle of God’s arms these children are delivered, and that is the only solace we can take from such tragedies. My heart goes out to the entire community for knowing that such a thing happened in their midst.
The photo of this child caught my eye, and though i never knew him or anyone involved, my heart goes out to the family and anyone affected by this terrible tragedy. The loss of any child is a loss to the entire world. I wrote a short story one time that dealt with the loss of children. And though this excerpt is about different circumstances, it shines a light on the feelings we all share when a child is gone.
“I saw an angel, dad. A real angel.”
Gently, David leaned over and took Dev into his arms. He fought against the tears welling in his eyes. “You did?” The words came out broken, trying to sound happy and still containing the sobs looming in his chest.
“The angel told me that some us get a lot of time,” Dev said quietly, “and some of us don’t.” His eyes sparkled with the excitement his exhausted body couldn’t show. He struggled to catch his breath and went on. “He said that when a child enters heaven, he is placed into the cradle of God’s arms. That can’t be bad, can it?”
There was no word in any tongue he could have spoken to his son at that very moment. There was no feeling profound enough to contain the emotion of a child’s readiness to die. He did the only thing he could do. He held his son in his arms and wept.
Know that even though I never knew this family, I grieve the loss of this precious child, and that not all empathy is lost in this world.
What a fascinating, and tragic journey on this case. My heart goes out to all affected. I truly hope justice was finally served for this young woman and her family.
This was a murder. The female driver of the pickup, did everything to throw Gregg out of the pickup bed. She ran him over. Got out of the vehicle and said something like…that m_____ f_____, better be dead. The witnesses to her erratic driving up and down the grassy ditches, kept their mouths shut. They had jumped in a vehicle, to watch what happened next. No One spoke up. I am ashamed they were all from the Adel area. My question to each and everyone of them hanging at the camp grounds…What if that were Your Child, Brother or Dad ??? This is a very ugly case. Just 1 of these people could have spoke up. This is in no way a threat…if karma was fair…each of you who knew and didn’t speak up…should have the privilege of a murdered family member without justice. How do you think the Nimmo family feels? His son was traumatized and overwhelmed And Commited Suicide….let me say that again.. SUICIDE….a young member, his son, is Now Dead because No One Spoke UP…to help this family have closure. How Do You Sleep at Night ??? How many sociopaths do we have walking around Adel? Well, at least all these people. I know I came across mad and harsh. I wasn’t there…But I Love this Family. No One deserves this outcome. So Shame on those of you, who let this slide. You are as responsible for this child dying, as the women who ran Gregg down. I grieve for this family and will for the rest of my life on this Earth. Can you even imagine…how these secrets have corroded Your Soul?? Oh, by the way, (It Is Never To Late To Do The Right Thing.) Have a Good Life. P.S. The Nimmo Family members got up that day with no idea, Gregg would be murdered Another day, not long after, the Family had No idea that the unthinkable would/could occur……that would be, when Gregg”s son, Committed SUICIDE. Please help this family find Closure and Peace. Please, I beg of You, Give the Authorities what they need to solve this case. Sincerely , me
Interesting. Probably killed him and his wife! Hope police are looking into this.
Still nothing…Someone knows.
December 20, 2018
Virginia, this might be something of use. A Melissa Stender, filed for divorce from Phillip Stender sometime in 2008. Also, they were married in 1993, which made me interested. It appears from a lawsuit that she filed against her attorney, that Phillip physically and sexually assaulted her, after being notified that she was trying to divorce him. I assume this was not reported to the police.
What, I find interesting is that the attorney Anthony Zane Blessum, had represented her husband on something previously. The attorney did not determine the exact financial background of her husband. Also, the attorney started a relationship with Melissa, that lasted for a period of time. Then when she found out that he was having an affair with other women, she supposedly attempted to take some pills. He attacked her and also tried to force her to vomit.
So, I think someone needs to look at both Mr. Blessum and what he was involved with representing Phillip Carl Stender. Also, who knows what Melissa might or might not know. It would be interesting to know when they married. Also, if she has any connection to Mr. Terrell. I don’t know her maiden name.
Virginia, a Melissa Stender divorced her husband Phillip sometime in September 2008. Upon notification of the divorce action her husband supposedly went to her residence, and physically and sexually assaulted her. Her attorney at the time was a Anthony Blessum, who had been a Madison County attorney for a period of time. But he had represented her husband previously.
Well, Mr. Blessum developed a relationship with Melissa, and when she challenged him about seeing dating other women, he got aggravated, and she tried to smack him. She then may have taken some extra medications and he got physical with her, which ended when the police arrived. She was hospitalized, and she sued him for malpractice in regards to her divorce from Phillip. It appears that Mr. Blessum, did not properly investigate Phillip’s financial standing.
Also, they were married in 1993, the same year that Mr. Terrell disappeared. I think that maybe if someone tracks her down, she might be able to provide some information about her ex-husband, and his activities.
Thank you, Mr. Kerrigan. I believe that the detectives already have interviewed Melissa Stender. I am not sure how you are connected to this case, but I do know that any help you can offer to the detectives in charge of this cold case would be very appreciated by Phil’s family. Please contact the detectives right away.
Virginia, I am not connected to the case. I don’t even live in the area. But decided to see what popped up on-line. I am a former detective with the federal government, and like to dig for stuff. I used to dig through government property records to track down unaccounted for property when a department could not find it.
It’s a bad habit, but then it was something I learned while serving on a submarine in the U.S. Navy, for that habit.
I wonder what that attorney did for Phillip. Since there is a reference to Phillip being upset about the sale of the moving company. Also, the attorney was a lawyer for Madison County. So it makes me wonder.
Thanks for your insight!
Very interesting that his first cousin was arrested for murdering Michelle. But Angela comments could mean he left on his on. But then maybe he blackmailed his cousin, and that’s where the pile of money came from.
Any relationship to Jerry Burns who was arrested for the Michelle Martinko murder. Seems strange Brian went missing on December 19. Michelle went missing years before on Dec 19 1979.
I know Jerry and it’s hard to believe he was involved. DNA him or relative ?
Disappeared three days after the anonymous tip to police in Michelle Martinko’s case. I very much hope police are looking into this connection. It appears that the killer was Brian’s first cousin.
Do you know what the tip was?
As far as I know, this is inaccurate. There wasn’t any tip and certainly not in 2013 when he went missing. Jerry, the convicted murderer in the Michelle Martinko, was discovered through DNA evidence and genealogy databases. The connection was some distant cousin living in the upper Northwest United States.
Actually there was an anonymous tip about Michelle Martinko’s case given to the police department on December 16, 2013. Info here:
https://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/michelle-martinko/
Look for the header of “April 10, 2014: Cedar Rapids Police Media Release”.
I think the police did say later on when a timeline was released that none of the tips lead to an arrest. It was the DNA genealogy stuff they were doing. https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/TIMELINE-The-Michelle-Martinko-murder-case-503178991.html
Both are correct== there was a tip 12 16 13 but the Brandy Jennings DNA was the connection that solved it..Brian may well have been one to phone a tip in in 2013 however
One day short of 39 years later, an arrest has been made. Does anyone know a motive, or if he knew her?
See Tracy’s post from 11/1/17 above. Seems the most plausible.
I remember this. I was a kid at the time, and I remember going to school the day they found their bodies. I didn’t know what was going on until a classmate told me: “The missing girls have been found.” Rest in peace.
curious…why do they think Jules should be prosecuted ? Is it because (she was involved with (driving the sheriffs wife crazy) If so Don should also be prosecuted!
don passed away jules is a good woman small town gossip
I’m curiously wondering if this guy was losing his faculties; so went his pledge to remain mum on Jerry’s vile scheme to keep this a secret. Every year they ran this story, and maybe this guy could simply no longer keep it quiet.
Many of us will be interested in more details and the connection, if any, between Burns and Martinko.
As a CR native about the same age as Martinko, this one has always bothered me. Very happy to learn of this occurrence.
After 39 years, an arrest has been made in Michelle’s case:
https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Police-arrest–503174101.html
My hat’s off to the investigators who never gave up on finding Michelle’s killer. My prayers to her family and friends, who also never gave up and worked to keep Michelle’s memory and her case alive over the years.
Kim, I tip my hat as well to the investigators who never gave up on solving Michelle’s case. Det. Doug Larison spent endless hours (years) reviewing evidence, and when Investigator Matt Denlinger picked up the case, he stayed the course and remained as steadfast as Larison.
There were many others, of course, who shouldered this case over nearly four decades, but in the end, the investigators’ commitment and cooperation between law enforcement agencies combined with advances in DNA technology carried it home. It’s been a great day for Cedar Rapids police and for Iowans.
Yeah Michelle finally some JUSTICE rest in peace friend.
Yes! Per Cedar Rapids Gazette… A long time coming!…
https://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/public-safety/watch-live-cedar-rapids-police-to-release-major-development-in-michelle-martinko-cold-case-20181219
Confirmed by Des Moines Register…
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2018/12/19/cedar-rapids-police-iowa-cold-case-make-arrest-1979-killing-michelle-martinko-murder-jerry-burns/2370821002/
Related to Jerry Burns who was just arrested for a murder in 1975 today?
After reading up on the cold cases of Mason City, I couldn’t help but notice the psychic led investigators to the exact same location as the case of Andy Hatges. It was noted that the cases were somewhat similar; was the part about the landfill accidentally added into both cases or is that accurate?
Kylie, see https://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/andrew-hatges/ – yes, the landfill is mentioned in both cases.
I guess they failed to find any investigative leads that would point to an offender in this case. Their is no mention of anything being taken although the motive was burglary. So if there were any fingerprints found, they never came back to anyone.
So, it makes sense to run them again and see if they match anyone. I wonder if they ever reviewed the evidence and their investigation to see if any forensic evidence can be retested.
I agree that the girlfriend needs to explain things since she could not keep the story straight. Also does anyone know anything about the supposed sale by Mr. Terrell of a moving company to this Phillip Stender. This should be explored as it might provide a motive for his murder. I aso find the reference to Mr. Stender visiting the Carlisle, Iowa area, since a veteran who disappeared from the Knoxville VA Medical Center was found dead in that neck of the woods. He cause of death is Unconfirmed, but his sternum was fractured, most likely by blunt force trauma.
There is one who should be included here. Deborah Dawn Sadler was born July 9, 1964 and died December 1, 1965. Someone bashed her to death and the county medical examiner bought the ludicrous story that she “fell” from a chair. I contacted the cops who weren’t interested in doing anything since the autopsy hadn’t been preserved (here in Wisconsin where I live coroners records can never be disposed of, unlike in Iowa). I also contacted her younger sister (born of her mother’s second marriage) who apparently lacks interest in bringing the perp to justice.
In the 48 hours segment there was mention of Crank phone calls in the days leading up to her disappearance. I did not hear mention of any follow up in regard to the crank telephone calls.
I know the theory floating around is that John Vancise was calling her apartment when he was suspicious about her having a male friend there. Crank calls that were just nobody talking on the other end, just listening. There is no proof of this, at least not publicly. I don’t know who offered landline telephone service in Mason City in 1995 and if they would be able to produce call logs at that time.
Autumn, the questions I asked are some basic stuff. In investigations, authorities try to develop a idea of the victim. Earlier this year in Miami County, Ohio, they finally identified a young woman, who had been found murdered in April 1981.
She was originally known as the “Buck Skin Girl”, and now they knew who she was. Her mother never reported her missing, and was waiting for her to come home. So, with her name, they could fill in some blanks in her life. They knew she had been in Pittsburg, a month before she was murdered. She was from Arkansas.
So, the more information we have about Connie, it means more information that could lead to someone who might some minor little tidbit, that she was having a problem, with someone, a landlord, someone where she worked. Someone could have been supporting her, or whatever, and they got upset with her enough that he or she kidnapped her and murdered her.
it comes under something called Victimolgy.
Just curious, were you in the military with Connie’s husband? Do you believe there is a link to the “Buckskin Girl” and Connie Ruddy?
I wish there was more information out there to help Connie and her family get the justice and answers they deserve.
Hey mom, it was your birthday on the 8th… just wanted to say happy birthday and I miss you. Adriana will be turning 4, wish you were here to watch her grow up…we love and miss you mom, forever and always
The other night I caught an episode of Cold Case Files, about the murder of prostitutes. Anumber of them were found on both sides of the Mississippi River in the East St. Louis, Illinois, and in the St. Louis, Missouri. They were all black females. Most of these murders took place in 2001 into 2002.
The offender was identified as a Maury Troy Travis, who took his own life in the county jail. DNA may have linked him to at least 12 murders. The authorities think he may have more victims. At least 5 unidentified skeletal remains.
Nothing online points to Travis being in Iowa, but it appears hs known victims, were all strangled. He was active in the time frame when Ms. Nicholson was found strangled. It’s a long shot.
Mr. Travis video taped his torture and murder of s some of the victims.
Patrick, could you please post your email on here? I’ve observed from other postings of yours that you are a former Illinois cop. I am aware of a woman in Illinois who lost 5 kids from 2 different fathers to so-called “crib death” and she was the only one home when each of the kids died. 2 of the kids were far too old for that. She also got a lot of public attention (which she sought out). Classic munchausen by proxy, and I’m convinced that just like Waneta Hoyt, Marie Noe, and Mary Beth Tinning, she killed her kids. However, the Cook County Medical Examiner couldn’t be bothered even responding to me, even though I gave her everything on a silver platter. The entire Cook County Board of Commissioners ignored me when I contacted them with the story, to inform them that their medical examiner wasn’t doing her job. I did eventually get one email from a detective– I tried to call his cell number that he’d given me and it was full so I couldn’t leave a message there; I did call his office number and left a message but he never got back to me. This woman is now age 70, but she is well enough that she could be prosecuted.
48 Hours is doing a story on 12/15/18 about Jodi’s disappearance:
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/sneak-peek-findjodi/
Recent news article in the Cedar Rapids Gazette about Michelle’s case:
https://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/public-safety/cedar-rapids-cold-case-michelle-marie-martinko-20181212
ALSO MY BIO MOM, PATRICIA KELLEY, HAD NO SIBLINGS, SO AGAIN, I FEEL HER HUSBAND RICHARD SKILLINGS FROM MINN. IS THE KILLER, AND LIVES AMONGEST THE POPULATION IN EVANSDALE IOWA, BIG GAME HUNTERS TOO, LOVE GUNS
Go get them. If it was my Dad, I would for sure.
Wow. I really hope this case gets solved. My MIL is Melvin’s sister. She is still heartbroken. Michael, I hope you are thriving in OK. Anyone ever contact Dateline?
No I wish we could
Michael how bout contacting waterloo courier to run an article in paper an a short newscast of it on tv? May spark sumthing an cost nothing bc itll boost interest and add numbers who watch kwwl kcrg etc
Were there empty shell casings left at scene?
Not sure about the casings,I have never been given any option from the Waterloo PD thank you though
Mr. Elledge, thanks for the follow up on this case. It was nice of your father to make the effort to solve this case. Especially, since the victim, was his uncle, and he provided the answers for the family.
Although, no one went to prison, all the parties involved have gone to their graves. A higher power most likely has dealt with the parties involved. I would consider this case closed. No further police action necessary.
My father Bert Elledge Jr. nephew of Lyman Elledge, reopened the case when Bert was
Sheriff of Delaware County, Iowa in the 1980’s. Bert is now deceased. Dad told me before his death, that Lyman was estranged from his wife and they were living apart.
Lyman was seeing another woman, and another Colesburg man was also seeing her.
Some time before his murder, Lyman came home and found a fire burning in the staircase that went up to his bedroom, in the house he was renting. He thought someone
believed he was in bed, and tried to burn the house with him in it, or that the fire was set
to claim insurance fraud by arson.
Lyman’s body was found without shoes, and his glasses found a block away. The info
my father, Sheriff Elledge, related to me was that Lyman was at his girlfriend’s residence
when the woman’s other boyfriend burst in and caught them together. Lyman ran from the house not even putting his shoes on. As he ran the other man chases him and hit Lyman in the head (probably where his glasses were found) by what the coroner thought
may have been a 2X4 or similar club. Lyman suffered a skull fracture, but staggered to
the lawn of Mr. Wiskus, collapsing there. People saw him moving in the prone position
at dawn, but he succumbed and died. My father told me who killed him, and the man is long deceased. Lyman is dead. The killer is dead, and Sheriff Longseth, Sheriff Barr, and
Sheriff Bert Elledge Jr. Is also deceased.
Here is a photo of the nurse who killed him. https://wcfcourier.com/announcements/anniversary/drewelow/article_95f33323-9793-5714-aa60-f5fc953a0e3c.html
That is the problem with some of these cases. Also, how many missing persons cases from around the country have no other details then the person’s name, age and when last seen. As a former police officer & detective with the Veterans Administration Police, it was drilled into us at our hospital to did up as much information as possible.
There is no age or date of birth information on Mr. Cramer, unless he had no further identification information on him. But, I would think that a major police department, would have done some further digging to see what they could find. A minimum would have been to send his fingerprints to the FBI, and see if they had any records of him. He could have been served in the military, or had a minor criminal record.
I’m wondering if maybe he wasn’t a homeless man, and they were weren’t able to find anything on him or if the police (at the time) didn’t care enough to dig any deeper.
? Noi circumstances as to how Mr. Cramer’s body was found? Any indication how he died? No details as to his personal life at the time, etc.?
To everyone saying why didn’t they collect DNA it was 1953 !!! Nobody knew what DNA was 65 years ago. I highly doubt any fluids were found inside or on the charred body that’s just like asking why didn’t they didn’t they use finger prints during the inquest of Julius Caesar the technology didn’t exist.
I went on Family Research Later Day Saint’s website to see if anything came up on him. Nothing about death date. Several F. Cramer of Iowa did come up with with variations of spelling on name. I was hoping that death date would come up. Do you have any other information on him, like age, homelessness, was he positive id, to help locating his life prior to his death. This man is a ghost in more ways than one.
Do they have a suspect
I find it interesting that there is no mention of forced entry. So, if no forced entry, then it points to Mr. Rude possibly knowing his killer. This is somewhat supported by the fact that he was found shot to death in the basement, and not somewhere else in the house.
Also, we don’t know much about the victim. We don’t know what he did for a living, if he had problems with anyone. But, would he let them into his home willingly. Also, I assume authorities verified his wife’s story, that she was out of town.
Also, the use of a .22 or .25 caliber firearm, points to a female as a potential offender. I would expect a man, to use a higher caliber firearm, such as a .38 caliber, or higher.
However, two young women in Chicago, were shot to death in 1972, with a .32 caliber firearm. Their bodies were found sort of posed in a large park on the southeast side of Chicago. Their murder is still unsolved. However, there were a number of shootings involving .32 caliber firearms in the Chicago area, in that time frame.
One of the most interesting was a young man, in his 20’s, who was driving through Kansas, after visiting an aunt out west. He was speeding on the interstate, and after a 25 mile chase, the Kansas Highway Patrol, forced him off the roadway. When they approached his car, they found him dead of a self inflicted wound from .32 caliber firearm. He had a shoulder holster. He lived in a suburb of Chicago. There was no mention of him being depressed in the newspaper story.
Im willing to bet they made more than one .32 cal gun
Never forget. Awakened with Tammy on my mind. Read her story. All these years, She is on my mind and on my ❤. Praying for you and your family.
It would be interesting to know if the spent cartridge and live cartridge were entered into the ballistics computer system. It might be a long shot to see if the weapon had been used in any ther crimes.
Also, he had an established pattern of stopping by the bar after work. It appears he was known to carry large sums of money. So, he became a target for a bad guy. But, the person would have become some sort of regular at the bar, for the victim to leave with him.
This was my father. It was my understanding he only knew the murders for about three weeks. He played pool with them. These killers had murdered others in Des Moines as well. People who came from good famlies and were well respected in the community. One of the killers James Burroughs has died of cancer. The police told us initially they could not get enough evidence to prosecute.
That’s was my aunt’s boyfriend
I’m so sorry for your loss!
If this is the same John that I went to High School with at North Polk in Alleman Ia. His father worked there. Mr Shuey had two teenage sons, that were just as nice as he was. I think of John often! His life was taken way to soon!
Hmm something did not sound right with the Dylan post so with a little tap tap on the keyboard I found a Dylan Oldenburger on LinkedIn, says he is a grown man, a detective in Ottumwa. Something strange is going on here and it’s not a little boy innocently posting his address in the comment section of this website.
Hi and my name is Dylan oldenburger and I am 21 right now and I wants to find out who’s killed john robert hill and other men who’s were murdered by the same killers in ottumwa iowa right now and my email is oldenbudylan@gmail.com or texts me at my phone number is 571-931-5831 texts me only pleases pleases pleases pleases
I agree, i also looked around in google maps and there is no house there! Also there is a sign that says the address so that would explain how this “Dylan” got it. I DONT THINK THATS A KID TALKING OR THE REAL DYLAN OLDENBURGER.
I actually also found this “Dylan OLDENBURGER” facebook, it’s all just a bunch of strange stuff, the website itself made me uncomfortable. Which leads me to believe that something isn’t right with this person.
This women should have the same done to her. God I hope the other brother does not have to see her!
This happened 21 years before my time. I’m thank the Lord for two loving parents. Neither were perfect and they didn’t have much. As sad as this story is its humbling because it could have been any of us reading this. I’m sure it must have been scary to have have or raise a child back then. There’s no amount of fear, or financial circumstances to justify slaughter of an infant. It’s much scarier now because of lack of discipline and carelessness. I’m curious, did anyone else notice a year before this baby was murdered there was another male infant found by construction worker near U.S. hwy 30? Same manner of death minus being burned beyond recognition? 12 years later there were two girls age 3 and 13 months and two more a year later? I’m so no detective but I’m thinking (possible connection?)
8 months after ben went missing andy cole killed marburger from sabula. Keep in mind these were both on the 400 block of 10th Avenue south. This just seems odd to me
Holli Ann, I talked to Sherry earlier today. A lot of stuff to wade through, and complicated family situation. Also, her brother disappeared two days after he was admitted to the Knoxville VA Medical Center in June 1991, and found dead in Polk County. However, his cause of death is Undetermined. However, his sternum was fractured, which may have been caused by blunt force.
The autopsy, mentions him being unaccounted for about two weeks. Also, who did her brother get to this area, since he had no car. Also, he was wearing boots when he was found, but Sherry said he was wearing tennis shoes when admitted. Also, her brother was not from the area. However, his mother had sent him a bus ticket to travel to California. There was a emergency hold on him, to keep him in the hospital.
I know more details on his situation. But, I would like to protect his family. It seems odd that two non-related patients disappear from the same hospital, and found dead in the same county, which is not close to Knoxville. Also, one death is a homicide and the other is Undetermined, and case report and investigative records are locked up.
Also, Donald Murphy, was born in Knoxville area, and not from Polk County. So, was he fleeing something at the hospital or in the area. Supposedly, his late mother may have worked at the VA. I would like to talk with one of his siblings, to see what they know or suspect.
Jack, do we need a road trip, to visit the area. I find it interesting that a police department in Western Illinois, that is using billboards to highlight a missing person case for a young girl. It appears they are trying to shame the person or persons involved to come forward. Maybe we can do something similar in Keokuk, and stir things up.
Patrick. And Jack. I worked with a man who is recently deceased that was from Memphis Missouri and had known Artie up until his death. He swears up and down it had to do with an illegal high stake card game in an upstairs of a Keokuk bar. I can not verify all info related to me other then this Bar is well know for it’s illegal gambling. I am not sure how familiar you two are with keokuk, but it It has distant mafia ties, and a long history of corruption in the local police dept. This man who passed swore that Artie was murdered of a card game(that he had one). It was said to be committed by an ex keokuk police office that was involved with another shooting out in that area. Since the office has passed but the card game loser is still alive, and would scare the hell out of my employee every time he walked through the door. And at that time the bar was in the process of being renovated.
Matt, thanks for the information. I am not from that neck of the woods. I live in the most corrupt state across the Mississippi. However, I am quite familiar with the Mafia, being that I live in the Chicagoland area.
So I am quite familiar with the murders committed by the Chicago Mob, over the years. In fact the head of the Cook County Sheriff’s Police Vice unit, was mobbed up, and conducted many raids. However, they knew ahead of time he and the boys were coming.
Matt,
Thanks for taking the time to post here. First of all, I want to let you know I appreciate the fact that you took the time to share this information. Second, I want you to know I believe you when you say your friend shared that story with you.
I’m really thankful for Jody and all the time she puts into this website. Without her efforts, most of these Iowa cold cases would go unnoticed. We’d have no way to connect with people like you who might have important information about a case.
Now, I can’t speak for Patrick, but as for me personally: I’m not a police officer. While I’m sincerely thankful for the information you shared here, the best way to help bring justice to this case is to follow Jody’s instructions in the article: please contact the Lee County Sheriff’s Office at (319) 372-1152. At worst, the information you’ve shared will not produce any new leads. You never know though: this information could break the case wide open and help the police solve a decades-old cold case. As you can see here, not much has happened with this case in the last thirty years. You’ll be hurting nothing by submitting a tip, and who knows, you might help solve this thing.
Like Patrick, I’m not local to the Keokuk area. Therefore, while a lot of the information you shared might make sense to someone from that area, I have no personal experience to compare it against. With that said, I did my best to research the information you shared with the resources I have available.
You said that the murder had to do with a card game that occurred at a Keokuk bar known for its illegal gambling services. I took that information and attempted to compile a list of bars in Keokuk that might have been associated with illegal gambling in 1983. At that point, the population would have been around 13,000 people. I would have expected very few problems with gambling, but I was wrong. I found reports of two major law enforcement raids on illegal gambling operations in that time period, occurring in 1973 and 1981, respectively. The 1973 raid turned up such operations at eight bars and one private business in Keokuk. These included the Tipenbud Grill, the P.J. Tap, Joe’s 400 Club, the local chapter of the Eagles Club, Harrington’s Lounge and Restaurant, the Draft House, the Shack, the Six Pack, and Bottger Novelty Company. The 1981 raid resulted in arrests and seizures at three bars: the 400 Club, Harrington’s Lounge and Restaurant, and the Tee Pee Lounge. With so many bars in the town involved with illegal gambling, including two which were the targets of multiple raids, it is difficult for non-locals such as myself to narrow down which one your friend might have been referring to. However, I chose to focus on the establishments targeted in the 1981 raid because they were closer in time to the victim’s death, and because two of the three were repeat-offenders in the illegal gambling business.
Unfortunately, I was unable to determine the location of Joe Hickey’s 400 Club despite it having existed in Keokuk for many years. However, I was able to locate both Harrington’s and the Tee Pee because both still exist.
I wanted to locate their addresses because you said your friend told you specifically that the illegal card game took place at the “upstairs” of the bar in question. Therefore, only bars which had at least two floors could have possibly been the location where the game took place. Unfortunately, both of the two bars I was able to able to locate from the 1981 raid were located in building which have more than one floor, so I wasn’t able to rule out either of them. On the bright side, all of this reflects well on the veracity of your friend’s story. There were many bars in Keokuk involved with illegal gambling at that time, and at least two of them had an upstairs level where gambling activities could have taken place.
I did my best to follow up on the information you provided regarding one of the principals being a former Keokuk police offer who was involved in a separate shooting incident. Although I found about a half-dozen reports of shootings in Keokuk around that time, I wasn’t able to connect any of the perpetrators with former police service. Just because I couldn’t locate the information though, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
With all of that in mind I would like to offer two thoughts I have on the story your friend provided. First, it is important to remember that while a gambling incident may have served as the impetus for the crime, the murder probably didn’t occur at the bar. Recall that contemporary reports said that the body was clad only in shorts, and that the hands and feet were bound. At risk of sounding morbid, I would propose that it only makes sense to bind the hands and feet of a living person who could offer resistance (i.e., fight back). Further, unless the perpetrators had some bizarre motivation to undress the victim, it would seem he was kidnapped from his own home, where he might have been dressed as described (e.g., while sleeping). Thus, an illegal gambling incident certainly provides a potential motive, but don’t dispense with the possibility that the crime itself occurred elsewhere.
Secondly, I would like to note that Mr. Ransford had apparently been unemployed for quite some time prior to his death. One would expect that this would have had an effect on his spending habits. Now, I acknowledge the existence of gambling addictions and also the fact that people with lower incomes are in fact the primary consumers of gambling entertainment.. however, it is worth noting that the victim’s life situation probably precluded participation in “high stakes” gambling. Recall that this was a long-term unemployed individual living in Keokuk, Iowa, not a trust-fund socialite from the Hamptons.
Gambling is the perfect opportunity for conflict between individuals, and so I bring up the above points simply to propound the notion that the dispute you mentioned may have been related to a regular, everyday gambling event, rather than one involving high stakes.
Patrick, to answer your questions: Scotland County, Missouri is about an hour west of Keokuk, Iowa. If you really, truly want to take a drive with me to Keokuk to shake the bushes, I’d be happy to oblige although I wouldn’t wish an hour in the car with me on my worst enemy. I think Matt has provided a great lead, and I hope he shares it with the Keokuk police. Either way, a trip to Keokuk would be a great opportunity to catch sacrament over at Nauvoo on a Sunday. You just let me know if that’s what you really want to do.
– Jack
Jack, I like the research you did in regards to the information provided by Matt. I agree with your theory that Arthur being unemployed would not be involved in high stakes gambling. So, maybe he crossed path’s with these individuals and they must have felt he was a threat to them.
A road trip will have to wait for better weather, then currently being visited upon us living in the Midwest. I am hoping it will be better in March.
I still wonder about the second wife. She divorces him a few days after reporting him missing. To me that would attract a lot of attention to me. I don’t know if he had any kind of assets that she could have been eligible to receive if he was deceased.
Also, it would be interesting to know if wife number #2, was involved with this former law enforcement officer. It might explain the delay in reporting him missing and the need to divorce him.
Also, who else was shot by this former police officer. There is a former Chicago Police Officer who became a sort of hit man for the Chicago Mob. The fed went after him big time.
I agree that money should be fund a Cold Case Unit. In Tulsa County, they created a charitable foundation, to support their operations. A criminal justice professor does not believe in cold case units. I think they are worth the money, to clear a case that was not solved many years ago.
We need to relook at all these cases, with fresh eyes. Also, we have new forensic tools that are available then look for DNA and other evidence. However, the roommates, need to step up and take the polygraph test. They lived there and found the body, they should know something.
I must also add how the DMPD pushed Nicholas White’s family in the direction of the roommates being under a huge umbrella of being a suspect. They were feeding lies in place of positive results. It’s a game it appears. I reevaluate my life very often and blame myself for many events and try to make corrections. I’m not anywhere near to perfect.
thank you.
I do believe that we should let all of these young men rest in peace from now on. If the police cannot build a case, they are considered innocent. I don’t believe Nicholas would want them to suffer with him. Although he is in Heaven now and better off than any of us on this planet I feel. I do have some strong feelings about the DMPD and also how other police agencies handle homicide cases. As they say on TV crime shows, if not solved in the first 72 hours, it will probably not be solved. The thing hiding behind that is the police will drop it after 72 hours and at the very most somewhat pursue it to 168 hours.(7 days) Then they drop it. They do incomplete investigations in my opinion. I questioned a lead detective about completely searching a dumpster next to the house for a discarded weapon, He did not search it completely,felt it sufficient, said that they could take it down to the DMPD and dump it in the parking lot to inspect and did not, but proclaimed no amount of money and time would inhibit how deeply they investigated. Part of that was true. Disclosures in the DM register reported the two detectives collected 25,000 to 35,000 in overtime the prior year on top of their already healthy salary. They have no Cold Case investigators on staff, but that includes most police departments. Some do, and when they do, they produce results. Seems if they have no results on current homicide investigations, and they are collecting large amounts of funds in overtime, that they should do away with it and use those funds to hire a couple cold case detectives. Otherwise, it is an endless cycle, Just look at Iowa cold cases, or perhaps any states cold case backlog. People can easily get away with murder it appears unless it is domestic related.
Totally my observations and opinion.
Starfire and Sherry, please provide more details on your brothers case. There could be a connection, at least they disappeared from the same hospital.
Jack, Arthur Leon Ransford, was born in Scotland County, Missouri, where his Social Security Number 497-52-4675, was issued in 1964. I don’t know where that is in relation to Keokuk, Iowa. He served in the U.S. Army from May 10, 1966 to May 9, 1968. This is according to Social Security Death Index and Application & Claims and his VA BIRLS Death File.
Starfire, please let me know the exact details of your brother’s story. Sherry, also I would like the know the same details involving your brother. Also, if both of theses guys were missing from the VA Medical Center, did the police at the VA ever write up a report. I seriously doubt if they would have a copy in their file systems.
This includes information on branch of service, if they were admitted for medical or other reasons. The more information the better. The fact that several patients who disappeared from a VAMC, in the same year and were murdered, makes me
I used to work at two VA Medical Center here in the Chicago area, as a police officer and detective. So I was involved in a number of missing person’s investigations. Also I would hope that the local police were notified by the VA.
It would appear that their might be a connection to these cases, at least from the connection to the VA Medical Center. Also, I can be reached at 708-466-4624, my phone takes messages, even text.
My brother came up missing from Knoxville VA hospital June 14 1991 and his body was found in augs 1991 his murder was never solved it to was found in poke county he was 30 years old
Sherry and Starfire please contact me at 708-466-4624, with the details.
Did they contact you?? They’ve got to be related!! Maybe someone who worked at the hospital????
He was walking home from a family outing. I guess it was to hard for someone in the family to drive him home. Especially, if he was drinking. But, then I am a former sub sailor, and we always made sure we got our shipmates back to the boat, especially if they were drinking.
Jack, I was thinking about the stuff including the plastic, bricks and cement blocks. It would give the impression that they came from a construction site. However, you would not expect in one sense to see a rug there, especially if a new house was being built. A new rug would get damaged sitting outside. I don’t think that their were bricks and cement blocks in the area, where his body was found.
The binding of the hands, feet and waist, makes me wonder. It sort would take time, after shooting him, to bind him, wrap him in a rug and then the plastic sheeting. It sorts of points to his murder as something planned. Also, the second wife, decides to seek a divorce three days after disappearance. That makes me suspicious big time. She was only married to him for a month. Did she fall out of love that fast. She supposedly married him for a reason.
I wonder if he was getting any disability from his service in Vietnam. Also, if what he did he do when he was working. Since, there are not a lot of jobs, in the civilian world, that requires a background as a combat infantryman.
I did not contact the cemetery. I was resting up from dealing with nice slush/snow we got Sunday into Monday morning. I do the snow removal for a number of neighbors. I was out chopping up ice in a neighbors driveway. This was complements of the snow plows, where I live in Oak Lawn, Illinois.
I was looking at the area on Google Earth at the library earlier. I saw the spillway or whatever it is just above what should be U.S. Highway 136. I was wondering why the offender or offenders did not dump his body in the Mississippi, and let it drift way with the current. The water would have eliminated some forensic evidence.
This was my uncle’s (Michael’s)father and we were told that he was wrapped in a rug that was the same rug missing from his second wife’s (whom he was still married to and lived with) home. The rug was missing when she was questioned by police.
Have detectives used google maps with recently used photos? I was navigating through the street view option and seen a few white trucks that fit the description. The driver had to of lived close by. Maybe he was on his way home when this happened.
I heard that the guy ditched his truck in a sioux city river and the guy was recently (within the last year) living in spencer and has children of his own now
NAMUS Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP12594 Female, White / Caucasian
Date Found
February 15, 1982
Location Found
Columbia, South Carolina
Case Information
Case Numbers
NCMEC Number
—
ME/C Case Number
82-0073
Demographics
Sex
Female
Race / Ethnicity
White / Caucasian
Possible First Name
—
Possible Middle Name
—
Possible Last Name
—
Possible Nickname
—
Estimated Age Group
Adult
Estimated Age Range (Years)
35-50
Estimated Year of Death
1982
Estimated PMI
—
Height
5′ 0″(60 inches) , Measured
Weight
134 lbs, Measured
Circumstances
Type
Unidentified Deceased
Date Found
February 15, 1982
NamUs Case Created
June 18, 2014
ME/C QA Reviewed
—
Location Found Map
Street Address
2414 Bull Street
Columbia, South Carolina 29201
County
Richland County
GPS Coordinates
—
Circumstances of Recovery
Jane Doe was a patient at SC State Hospital who was unable to provide her real name due to schizoprenia. She died as the result of an accidental fall on 02/15/1982 in the hospital. She was buried as ‘Jane Doe’ by the Richland County Coroner’s Office, following exhaustive efforts to determine her identity. Her skeletal remains were exhumed by a forensic anthropologist in 1996 from the county cemetery, as part of an effort to revisit efforts to determine her identity.
Details of Recovery
Inventory of Remains
All parts recovered
Condition of Remains
Recognizable face
Physical Description
Hair Color
Brown
Head Hair Description
—
Body Hair Description
—
Facial Hair Description
—
Left Eye Color
Blue
Right Eye Color
Blue
Curious, what did the results show?
Has anyone ruled out Richland County S.C. Jane Doe who passed away in a State Hospital?
NAMUS Has the unidentified decedent in Richland Co. South Carolina been excluded in this case?
NAMUS ME/C Case Number
82-0073
Demographics
Sex
Female
Race / Ethnicity
White / Caucasian
Possible First Name
—
Possible Middle Name
—
Possible Last Name
—
Possible Nickname
—
Estimated Age Group
Adult
Estimated Age Range (Years)
35-50
Estimated Year of Death
1982
Estimated PMI
—
Height
5′ 0″(60 inches) , Measured
Weight
134 lbs, Measured
Circumstances
Type
Unidentified Deceased
Date Found
February 15, 1982
NamUs Case Created
June 18, 2014
ME/C QA Reviewed
—
Location Found Map
Street Address
2414 Bull Street
Columbia, South Carolina 29201
County
Richland County
GPS Coordinates
—
Circumstances of Recovery
Jane Doe was a patient at SC State Hospital who was unable to provide her real name due to schizoprenia. She died as the result of an accidental fall on 02/15/1982 in the hospital. She was buried as ‘Jane Doe’ by the Richland County Coroner’s Office, following exhaustive efforts to determine her identity. Her skeletal remains were exhumed by a forensic anthropologist in 1996 from the county cemetery, as part of an effort to revisit efforts to determine her identity.
Details of Recovery
Inventory of Remains
All parts recovered
Condition of Remains
Recognizable face
Physical Description
Hair Color
Brown
Head Hair Description
—
Body Hair Description
—
Facial Hair Description
—
Left Eye Color
Blue
Right Eye Color
Blue
Eye Description
—
Mike
i knew him under an alias for about the last 8 years and i hope that he can patch his life back togeather and move past all of this and reconnect with his family,he was a good man and while i cant speak for what crimes he was convicted of ……the man i knew for 8 years was an all around good fellow…………. i just cant place him doing anything like what they said he did(((((((im not saying he is innocent or didnt commit a crime)))))) the man was very docile and ive never even herd him say a cuss word or even get mad about anything. il just say some prayers for him because i know there is good in him.
I find the comments from Professor Walker very disturbing. A number of cold cases have been solved, through the use of various tools. Quite often a review with fresher eyes, have come investigative leads that were missed or never followed up on. We have new forensic tools, and also thousands of civilians who research and discuss cold cases on-line. Also, one of the people connected with NAMUS, was the person, who was able identify a Jane Doe, found by his father-in-law. Also, we had a woman, who spent years trying to identify the Golden State Killer, with the assistance of others.
Now, we are using Genealogy DNA, to identify a few Jane and John Does. This same tool has led to the arrests of a number of offenders including the Golden State Killer. So, I think they are not a waste of time. These families deserve some sort of closure.
Jack, thanks for the details. The fact that his body was wrapped in a rug is interesting. I wonder if the rug is old or new. It could in a sense point to him being killed in a location such as a home being built or remodeled. I would lean to a place being remodeled.
It makes me wonder if the evidence has been retested because of the new forensic testing available. You figure that the bindings and plastic might provide something useful.
I looked at the picture of the headstone, and noticed the death date damage. Since, it is a VA cemetery they are the ones who made the headstone, and are responsible for the upkeep. They also provide a headstone for veterans buried in civilian cemetery. However, they normally provide a flatstone.
I may give them a call and they can check it out. Maybe they can replace it.
Did he live on Rural Route M, or in the city of Keokuk.
I wonder what caused the landlord to go to check on her. However, I would assume that had not reported for work. I see there was no mention of forced entry. So, either she let her assailant in or someone had a key.
The ex-boyfriend would be an obvious person of interest, because of his background and his arrests for domestic violence. However, I wonder if someone who had developed an interest in her that she may have rejected. It mentions that the electrical cord was still wrapped around her neck. I wonder where the cord came from, and weather any forensic evidence could have been found.
It appears that the Rev. Kevin’s wife and daughter haven’t exactly walked in the path of the straight and narrow that the Rev, Kevin preached and practiced….
Medicaid Theft and Fraudulent Practices, Contempt of Court
https://www.omaha.com/news/metro/judge-finds-owner-of-iowa-nursing-homes-and-her-husband/article_ecad0505-16ea-5300-ba39-eb94cb495fe1.html
https://www.iowaattorneygeneral.gov/newsroom/judge-finds-nebraska-owner-of-western-iowa-care-centers-and-husband-guilty-of-contempt-orders-thre
Does anyone know about the double homicide of Kathleen Hopkins and her son Alex Hopkins? It happened in North Omaha… on December 1, 1995… this is my husband’s mother and he still has no closure or know if anyone’s been charged with the murder of his mother and brother. Please! Anything helps… I’m on Facebook…Milov Stuart. Any information will help us!
Was he shot.It seems a lot of shotings going on in that time frame why not list cause of death in a lot of the cold cases Just curious why You dont.
Jody, thanks for the information. I like that his name was flagged. It was someone that we starting doing at the VA, wen we went computerized. it also helped eliminate the problem of certain patients tweaking their prescriptions to get stronger pain medications.
Jack, thanks for the information. He fills in a few blanks. But, a lot of unanswered questions. His wife reports him missing, and then files paperwork seeking a divorce, after being married for a month. That’s real nice. Makes me wonder why she married him.
As a veteran and former employee of the VA, I would expect that he had issues from his time in Vietnam. This could explain his not having close relationships. However, I wonder if he ever went to the VA for any kind of help or medical treatment.
Also. I wonder if anyone followed up on the yellow in color 39 gallon trash bags that Theresa mentioned in 2012. I don’t think the manufacturer would have sales records going back that far.
I get frustrated that they don’t mention what caliber of firearm that was used to murder him. Also. I would assume that he was shot someone else and his body buried there. So, I wonder if where his body was found is a well traveled area, or off the beaten track.
Patrick,
I don’t think that the bags Theresa mentioned are relevant. Jody’s write-up says that the body was in a yellow bag, but it doesn’t say that it was a “trash bag”. I think the information from the Des Moines Register illustrates why it probably wasn’t a 39 gallon trash bag:
“Mushroom hunters had found a billfold in the area before discovering the body, which was clad only in shorts, wrapped first in a rug and then in a sheet of plastic and then covered with bricks and concrete blocks. The hands and feet were tied, and there was binding around the waist […]”
I seriously doubt a body concealed inside a rug would fit into a 39 gallon trash bag. It sounds like the plastic used was almost more of a home improvement or construction type product.
Also, the use of the rug, I think, answers your question about where the murder occurred — probably elsewhere if they used a rug to conceal the body before burying it.
Jody’s post says the body was found about two miles south of Montrose in a wooded area — there seems to be pretty much only one area that fits this description: Galland School State Park Reserve, and the associated sections of land. It contains a stretch of trees adjacent to the road which follows the Mississippi river from Keokuk to Montrose (Mississippi River Road, AKA County Road X28), laying approximately across the river from Nauvoo, Illinois. If you drove out of Keokuk going north on that road you would eventually be driving alongside the treeline (opposite the river). The trees are on/on top of a hill, and the road is at the bottom of it next to the river. In certain areas, the road is slightly further from the river and there are smaller treelines which separate the two. I would say the park section of these trees is off the beaten path in the sense that a road does not run through it, but on the other hand, Mississippi River Rd does run next to it for its entire length on the east side. The area is also somewhat populated (in a rural Iowa sense), probably due to its proximity to the river. It was apparently visited by mushroom hunters, so was not too inaccessible, it seems. There are public places to park, e.g., a “rest area”, though I’m not sure if that was there in 1983. Here is a link to that if you want to see it: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.499471,-91.3753428,3a,75y,112.03h,83.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWSX8p9oMWv_9lIegigZKWw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?shorturl=1
I found something I think is very interesting. I found a picture of the victim’s grave marker on the internet. It is a military headstone in Keokuk National Cemetery. Here is what I think is irregular: the stone has been damaged and altered. Whether those two things are related I don’t know. It has gouges and breaks on the face and edges, but most interestingly, it almost looks like someone has crudely filled in the death death inscription with DIY cement. You can still see “NOV 22” under the cement, if you look closely. I wonder what precipitated this. Probably not important, but caught my eye. You can see for yourself at https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/80266525/arthur-leon-ransford
My husband grew up in Montrose and he thinks the body was found on the border of Bluff Park subdivision and Camp Lookout near the bottom of the hill. He also told me at the time of the murder, the rumors were that it was a mob hit from Chicago or St Louis and it had something to do with drugs. Now that he is older, he doubts that story is true because it is doubtful anyone from out of the area would have found the area where the body was left.
Based on the information you shared, the location your husband remembers is within the boundaries of the area I mentioned above. Such a specific location on the border of two plats would be an odd thing to remember if he hadn’t actually heard it somewhere, so, I’ve got no arguments against it.
Back when this happened, the area your husband is talking about was definitely wooded as it is today, but nowhere near as thick in growth. In fact, that particular property boundary was accessible by car, it appears, not only from the south via a path from the subdivision, but also from the north on a driveway off the river road.
The is a link to an aerial photograph of that location take on March 15, 1985, less than one year after the victim’s body was found:
https://ortho.gis.iastate.edu/arcgis/services/ortho/ortho_1980/ImageServer/WMSServer?wmtver=1.0&request=map&bbox=635055,4487091,636055,4488091&width=1000&height=1000&layers=ortho_1980&format=jpeg&srs=EPSG:26915&styles=
That spot isn’t as easily accessed these days:
https://ortho.gis.iastate.edu/arcgis/services/ortho/ortho_2016_nc/ImageServer/WMSServer?wmtver=1.0&request=map&bbox=634986,4486931,635986,4487931&width=1000&height=1000&layers=ortho_2016_nc&format=jpeg&srs=EPSG:26915&styles=
The information you provided is useful because it helps explain how the body may have been transported, and not only that, why it was in an area accessible to mushroom hunters — it literally had a path running through it which connected to a road at either end.
I’m not so sure on the whole mob hit thing. I think that we’d have a lot more information about the victim’s personal life if he was somehow involved with activities merited the mob getting involved (i.e., a history of crime). I’m not saying it’s impossible, but I’ve not seen anything to corroborate the idea yet.
As for the location information, thank you for that. It certainly provides something to consider.
You said your husband was from the area. Any chance he’d recall the location of a bar called the 400 Club in Keokuk back in those days?
– Jack
The 400 club was located at 400 Main St.
I found a photo of where the body was found in the May 14, 1984 Fort Madison Daily Democrat. It was found in the foundation of a collapsed building near the Bluff Park subdivision.
Michelle, thanks for the information. However, the information mentions a subdivision. It sort of gives the impression that there were houses in the area. Yet, it appears that his remains were found in what I assume is a state park or preserve.
The foundation of a collapsed building might go along with the debris that he was hidden under. However, it does not explain the rug and the yellow plastic sheeting.
Also, a historian from the Keokuk area, supposedly collected information on all the unsolved murders in that area, according to a 2018 newspaper article. Supposedly, the material is at the library in Fort Madison.
I agree with Jack, about the Mob connection to his murder. But, then if he was unemployed then he might have been attracted to being involved with something illegal to make a few bucks. It could be that he heard or saw something that put him jeopardy.
It’s nice to have another person, providing more information about the area, and possible reasons for his murder.
If you have access to newspaperarchives.com you can read the series of articles published in the Democrat. Here are the quotes from the articles:
May 14, 1984 “Arnold said the location where the body was found apparently was not where the person died. It appears it is where the body was dumped…The body was found under a pile of concrete blocks and other debris, apparently from a building that had stood in the area. The site is a wooded area about a mile south of Montrose near the Bluff Park subdivision…Dr. Torres said that the only part of the body protruding from under the concrete was part of the head. The rest of the body was covered by bricks, he said. He said that they site could be classified as a ‘shallow grave’.”
May 15, 1984 “The body was found under a pile of concrete blocks and other debris, apparently from a building that once stood in the area. The site is off of Middle Road at the end of a lane and overlooks the Mississippi River from the bluff.”
May 17, 1984 “The body of a white man in his mid-30s was found in the foundation of a building that once stood in a secluded area about one mile south of Montrose on top of a Mississippi River bluff.”
The May 15th article also had some other interesting details:
“Dr. Torres said the body was clad only in underwear and socks and was wrapped first in a rug and then in a sheet of plastic. The body was carefully wrapped and placed. The hands and feet were tied and there was binding around the waist. Dr. Torres said. He said the bullet entered the skull between the ear and the top of the head on the right side. It was lodged in th right side of the neck, he said. He died from multiple fractures of the skull. Dr. Torres said.”
It is unlikely that the body would have been dumped in the Galland School Preserve. My husband said the area was fenced at the time (he said he believes that it is still fenced, but I never personally noticed the fence and we no longer live in the area so I can’t check.) making it difficult to access. Mushroom hunters also would not have been in a state preserve.
This is all great information. In regard to the Galland School State Park Preserve, you’re correct on all points. Apparently, Google Maps has some inaccurate information in its listing. It shows that the wooded area we’ve been discussing is the “preserve”. I looked into it and apparently the state park just the tiny plot of rest stop land, and the “preserve” is in reference to preserving the replica schoolhouse, not an area of land (e.g., the wooded area of land Google calls the park). So, thank you for correcting that misnomer — the area of land we’ve been discussing has nothing to do with Galland School State Park Preserve, which is some distance away from the place mentioned in the newspaper article you quoted.
I appreciate the information regarding the location of the 400 Club. In retrospect, it totally makes sense. As an outsider, I didn’t realize that the name was a pun regarding the physical address as opposed to a reference to other groups/entities/etc. which had the same name. It appears that building also has two floors, meaning that, unfortunately, the previous poster’s information about rumors surrounding this case cannot be used to identify the alleged location of the death, nor rule out some of the alternatives. This is because, apparently, in those days not just one, but rather several bars in Keokuk had a reputation for hosting illegal gambling activities, and all of them had two floors. Thus there are at minimum three locations which meet the provided description perfectly.
Thank you for posting the information from those articles. I’m glad to see that they confirmed my hypothesis from an earlier post that the death did not occur where the body was found. That makes sense, because it explains why a rug would have been involved – concealing the transportation of the body to and from a vehicle.
More interesting is that the articles you posted seem to cast a new light on the nature of the burial. Previously, this sounded like a professional job of sorts: a body wrapped in a rug, covered in plastic, buried with a layer of bricks. In reality, it sounds a lot more like the perpetrator(s) were unprepared for the events that unfolded and made a shoddy attempt to hide the body using stuff that happened to be laying around the dump site. In fact, it’d seem they really didn’t even do that great a job, because part of the body was visible above-ground according to the article. To me, all of this suggests that this killing wasn’t probably planned well in-advance. It possibly means that it wasn’t planned at all. Whereas at first it looked like a calculated event, I’m really starting to doubt that. It sounds more like something which occurred in the heat of the moment. Maybe there’s some truth to the gambling story after all?
Something else sticks out too. The area you described, off Middle Rd., is nowhere near as easily accessed or well-traveled as the one we talked about in our previous posts (which would have been accessible right off the main highway). Instead, it would seem much, much more likely that the perpetrator(s) were familiar with the area and knew of this particular spot. I would not be surprised to learn that whoever killed the victim had some sort of ties to it. In fact, it looks like maybe there was a trailer park at that location in the 1970s and 1980s – it is possible that the individual responsible either lived there themselves or knew people who did.
I’m not sure if we’re getting somewhere with all of this or not. But I feel like I’m getting a better idea of some of the circumstances. The population of Montrose was under 1,000 residents at the time of the victim’s death. Even though people his age would be in their 70s now, I’m willing to bet there are plenty of people who remember this case. If we’ve learned this much through just what you’ve shared, I wonder what we could learn with a little social media exposure. Just a thought.
– Jack
Yeah that’s weird. It looks like his date of death was Nov. 26th was altered. At least that’s what it looks like on the stone. I have never seen that before. Why wouldn’t the Cemetary make a new stone?. That’s a military cemetery stone.
Melanie , I worked for the VA, but not at one if their cemeteries. They are in a sense, a separate part of the agency. So, if a stone is damaged then may have a policy on replacing it, but not sure.
If he had a family, and they saw it was damaged, then hopefully they could request it be replaced. But, it has to be the exact same type of stone.
A visit to a VA cemetery shows all the stones are the same, normally in a uniform row.
All local veterans organization such as the VFW and the American Legion, usually have enough clout to get the VA’s attention, in regards to the stone being replaced.
I wonder how he was located.
Patrick, he suffered an injury while working and needed to go to the hospital, where he gave hospital personnel his real name. A system was in place where it flagged his name and they recognized a warrant was out for Rolfe’s arrest and contacted local officials.
Theresa, that’s a great lead you developed there. One question is where is this company located. It would be a long shot if they still had records of sales from back then.
Also, I would hope that the local police would have looked at that. Since, a would seem odd to place his body in a yellow bag, and then try to hide it a wooded area under some cinder blocks.
I would think someone local would have remembered seeing yellow bags being used by someone. I was over at a neighbor’s house earlier this evening. One of the family members was flipping through the channels on the television and she stopped on a football game, most likely a college game. One of the teams was wearing yellow uniforms. It stuck out like a sore thumb, as they say.
Also, there is no information on the caliber of the firearm used. Also, not much on his background, besides having served in Vietnam, being married and having two kids. We don’t know what he was doing on Thanksgiving Day, when he disappeared. We don’t know what he did for a living.
Patrick,
According to the Des Moines Register on May 19, 1984, and the Quad-City Times on May 20, 1984, it isn’t clear what he was doing on Thanksgiving Day. His mother said he failed to contact her that day. He was married, but note that the kids were not from his marriage at the time of his death. He had been married for five years to his first wife before they were divorced. He got married to his second wife the month before he disappeared. Three days after he disappeared, his second wife filed for divorce (prior to his body being discovered, of course). He had been unemployed for an extended period of time prior to his disappearance.
His mother described him as someone who didn’t have a lot of close relationships and wasn’t particularly social. She wasn’t aware he had been reported missing until after she had been told his body had been found. Her other sons (Ransford’s brothers) had known, but chose not to tell their mother about it so as not to “worry” her.
I had three roommates and several friends from Clinton when I was at UNI who graduated one year earlier than Pam from Clinton HS. I distinctly remember one conversation when a few of them spoke of what a nice girl she was and was saddened about this tragic event.
Thoughts and Prayers to the family. Justice will be served, in this lifetime or the next.
I just found out through DNA that Jerry Lee Huff is my birth father. I was adopted at 5, the man I lived with until then was a horrible person. I am so sad about your Mom….and I hope justice is served.
It’s sad that he served his country and someone thought it was a good idea yo rob and then kill him. It would be interesting to know if the evidence is still around. Also, if the shell casings could be connected to another crime.
Recently, a guy in jail in another state for a crime, was tied by DNA to a similar murder in adjoining state, which took place in 1984.
There are several unsolved murders of F/B prostitutes in Iowa in the early 1980’s. All of them in their early 20’s. I don’t know if they are connected, but something to look at for a pattern or how they died.
CJ, thanks for the update. I wonder if the Lyons County Sheriff, ever posted the picture of their suspect to other agencies around the country. I am sure some agency dealt with her based on her background.
Please check into why they wanted me to sign some paper. It was all a very weird thing for me and I was really surprised that there was no tape no nothing and they let everyone in the house leave, no tape. I think they decided what was what and it was wrong.
I will never give up for justice for Charles William Netherland my son. But, I also need my family right now too. I’m getting ill, I’m not sure if this is the right place to say anything. But, I started getting I’ll after my boys, James Lee Netherland jr. in the car accident, than Charles William Netherland murdered August 18,2012, same year. Than James Lee Netherland jr with the Brain injury he fought for 4 years Than he passed away. I was their for him and fighting JUSTICE for Charles where only 2 people wanted to help when I had and have every thing. Not Even hear say. I’m not sure if this makes sense to any of you. I’m just saying that I need my family to help. I dont really want to put the health issues out there.
I am Charles Aunt I woke up to pounding on my door letting me know I needed to get to the hospital because something happened to him. Then when I was getting ready to leave I received a call from my ex son in law asking me to stop by his house. I did and there was no police tape and Hank came up to me and said I am sorry I had no idea what he was talking about then I was asked to go to a police truck that my ex son in law and a police officer was in and they wanted me to sign a paper that I knew nothing about I did not because I wanted to get to the hospital and also had no clue why they wanted me to sign some paper and my ex son in law said he needed to contact a lawyer. I do know my grand babies where in this house and do not understand why things were done the way they were. I do hope my sister and the rest of our family will get the truth.
It mentions Dean’s return to the Knoxville area around the VA Medical Center. Was he ever in the military. He would have been old enough to have served in the military, and been sent to Vietnam.
I was concerned enough about the draft to having a real low number. So I volunteered to join the U.S. Navy, and indirectly volunteered to serve on a submarine. Not bad duty, extra pay and good food.
The other thought, what drew her to Waterloo, Iowa. It’s not like it was a gold rush or they found a large oil deposit. She left East St. Louis for a reason. Was, she brought there by someone to fill a need. Also, who reported her missing. She had only been there for a month, and someone thinks enough of her to report her missing.
I am sure the bike gangs probably are connected to many crimes around the country, especially with the distribution of drugs.
I think that a case like this and a few others, the crime scene should not have been contaminated. It’s not like a crime scene from 30 or 40 years ago. If need be you request assistance from the next higher agency.
I would think with advances that this case be looked at again. The resources from the FBI and forensics can provide more answers. The cutting of the what they thought was the phone lines, is also interesting. So what kind of lines were cut. Also, if the details of the crime have been entered into the FBI’ VICAP system. This way it could be linked to other similar crimes around the country.
It appears she was targeted for some reason.
Jody, can you contact the person who wrote this and see if they will speak with me off of Facebook? “The murder was never solved and the police questioned many of us who were teens at the time. It wasn’t the 60’s. It was more like 1972 and most of us thought it was a Penn student who left school right after the murder and lived next door.” It looks like we have the same suspect. When this happened, I was doing an undergrad degree in Psychology (graduated Feb. 1972). I wanted to be a Psychologist at the time, but got steered into another career. Now that I have been retired for a few years, I am starting another career, that of a Forensics Psychologist. I have just begun working on the degree in Clinical/Forensics Psychology. I will be getting an Iowa PI license and a Certified Forensics Interviewer certifications concurrently. The firm that sponsors the CFI did a number of motions and amicus briefs for the Steve Avery/Brennen Dassey case (Making A Murderer.) I am looking forward to an exciting career for the rest of my life or as long as I can work. If anyone has information on Ed Schmidt case, please contact me by IM on my personal FB page.
Carole: I have asked Tom Neuleib to contact you, since in 2016 he had two names of likely suspects. I continue to try to get Dateline interested in doing a segment on this.
Thank you. I wonder who wrote “most of us thought it was a Penn student who left school right after the murder and lived next door.” If I could talk to them, I think we could get a lot closer to solving it.
Jody or anyone: Was the FBI ever involved? Thank you.
This was wonderful. I wish I could get the full shows and watch tyem all!
Start TV, 2 Episodes daily… In original order!!
Linda and Janet, every season and every episode of “Cold Case” is available now on HBO Max. I just happened to run across it not that long ago. To my knowledge, Start TV, Roku TV, and HBO Max are the only mediums airing the former series at this time, though there could be other venues of which I’m not aware.
It sounds crazy and goes against everything in me. But I think the family should consider allowing the reward to be claimed by the offender or those involved in his disappearance. They don’t deserve it and Ethan’s loved ones wouldn’t want to do good for that person. But it could get the answers, and that’s what really matters.
There is not much information on Yvonne Nicholson’s background’s besides her being released from prison about 10 days before her death. Since, she is identified as being from Rock Island, Illinois. I assume her arrest was for prostitution, but where did she normally work or hang out in Illinois or Iowa.
Also Agnes Kennedy’s photos gives the impression that she would normally be seen at the Lyric Opera, or at a Broadway play, instead of doing a stroll down some city street looking for a john.
Not a lot of details on his disappearance. It would be nice if someone fill in the blanks about him, since the police seem to have failed to get them. We don’t know what he did for a living, if he was married, single, divorced, where he lived.
What a heartbreaking story. Why not tell someone so that the baby could have been raised by someone who loved her.
I looked at Rock Island and Moline, Illinois area on a AAA Road Atlas. Interstate 74 passes through the area, and noticed a Interstate – 280, that runs from I-74, and by passes Rock Island and Moline and ties into Interstate – 80, after crossing the Mississippi River. Also Interstate – 80, passes just north of Rock Island and Moline.
Often times a criminal will return to the scene of the crime to relive it. Sometimes I read these cases and the comments and wonder if this site isn’t providing a reliving the crime type of experience for the offenders. They can get on here, read about how the family is suffering, try to throw off the investigation…
I know it’s a stretch, and I may be overstepping my bounds, but I think it’s entirely possible that on occasion people commenting may have been involved. This is one of those that makes me wonder. I imagine everybody who comments can be traced. I think it would be worth it to investigate people who are commenting.
Well, here are the details from Galesburg. A Peoria salesman, Willia, Ross Kyle, was found dead in his room at the Sheraton Motor Inn, at Iinterviewedterstate – 74, and East Main Street, on June 25, 1980.
He died from a dozenzblows from a sharp heavy object to his head, neck and shoulders. He was found face down on the bed, knees on the floor, with his head covered in a blanket. There was no signs of forced entry, and very little taken from the room.
The authorities determined that a Raymondo Esparza, (50’s), a drifter, transient, drug addicted veteran as the offender. He was actually picked up by the police earlier and dropped off in the same area. He entered the motel, seeking something to eat. He carried a tool belt from his work on a sugar cane farm in Mississippi.
On the blanket, police found the bloody outline of the murder weapon was found. It matched the size and shape of a sugar cane knife. Also, they found a leather case with a metal fingernail clipper made in Europe. The manufacturer told authorities that the finger nail clippers had been only sent to a blood bank in California, which gave them out over a two week period. Esparza had been in the area receiving treatment for his mental health issues.
According to one of the lead investigators said that Esparza had a violent background, according to interviews with his girlfriends. They interviewed him, but could not get a confession. He later died of liver cancer at the Iowa City VA Medical Center in March 1983. This is not to far from Williamsburg. Authorities obtained a DNA sample from the VA, to compare, but the material from the crime scene was degraded to be useful.
I don’t see it mentioned in regards to the murder of Roger and Rose, but they appeared to be covered with a blanket. Also, they were face down in bed. These two crimes scenes should be reviewed by a criminal profiler, to see if they might be linked.
Raymund or Raymond Esparza was born on January 7, 1931 in Morgan City, Louisiana, and died March 26, 1983, per VA & SS records on Ancestry. Also, his SSN, was issued in California. He served in the U.S. Army as a Corporal in Korea, (1948-1952). At some point in time he lived in Rock Island, Illinois. This information is listed on his VA headstone in California.
At some point in time his family moved to California. His mother died in LA, on 9/17/1937.
I live between Rock Island and Williamsburg and was about 10 when this occurred. What I’m wondering is did Raymond work sometime at the Rock Island Arsonal? If military and he was pretty young. The 2 VAs were Des Moines and Iowa City.
I agree this murder was personal. Also, the theats to Tammy and her files were destroyed in a fire. Also, what about the incident in Galesburg, Illinois on June 25th. Anyone know more details on that incident.
Also, their was the murder of that couple at the Amana Holiday Inn, in September 1980. I notice that all three of locations are connected to Interstate -80. On another webite, they mention a witness claiming the offender was driving a red in color Ford Mustang. I wonder if a similar vehicle is connected to any other cases.
I don’t think that was related to this crime. It seems different.
As usual, I will ask if these cases were entered into the FBI’s VICAP system. It might identify a pattern or link to other crimes. Who knows it might be connected to other unsolved cases
A minor tweeking of the story, refers to a newspaper article tmentions July 4, 1962. However, the article that is shown is dated correctly July 4, 1982. It does not exactly mention that the husband was cleared of any involvement in the crime.
Also, where is this motel located in relation to the Starlite Motel, where Linda Mayfield was murdered. Also, the one Wisconsin hospital is 20 miles from her home in Michigan. I think that Wisconsin, is more than 20 miles from Nunica, Michigan.
There was no forced entry to her room, located on the 1st floor. So, it had to be someone she knew or someone claiming they were from the motel allegedly saying they needed to check something.
I find it interesting that the authorities collected DNA evidence in this case back in the 1970’s. Maybe, we need to rethink that since DNA, did not come along until the early 1980’s, and was still not as advanced as it is now. I assume they may have collected blod evidence from the crime scene of Sarah’s murder.
I hope they still have the evidence and it should be sent for updated forensic testing. Who knows what they might find. Maybe a link to another suspect.
Andrea, I agree the belt should be tested. Also, what other evidence they might have. However, the medical examiner really threw a monkey wrench into the prosecutor’s case, when he changed the time of death. A bit of rush to judgement in his time of death, and did not consider the food, and then the telephone call.
However, the neighbor had access to her apartment, supposedly there were no signs of forced entry. I wonder who else knew about that other door. Also, they moved out within days of the murder.
They should have taken their time, and gotten everything nailed down.
It should be reviewed by newer invetigators. I am sure that they might come up with something. It wonder however if any of the evidence still exists. With new forensics they might find something different.
I notice there is no mention of the certain circumstances of her murder. Also, was anything of value taken from the residence. Tina, how many times was she stabbed. I Wonder why they determined that the stepson and his buddy, did the dirty deed.
Also, who stood, to inherit her money, and that mansion of a mobile home. I find it interesting that they moved the trials to two other counties. Maybe, the authorities should have stood down after the hung and maybe dead locked juries, and reviewed things, and looked at their case.
Interesting thoughts.
Old Bill was as tough as nails. Hard working man!
Robin, for general information a Vietnam veteran and lawyer from New York, disappeared sometime in 2005 or 2006. He was tracked through Pennsylvania and Ohio, I assume he was using his credit card. Well, he ended up in Chicago, where he found his way to the Pacific Garden Mission. He was using a name in found on a empty medication container.
He finally got with someone there and they checked and found he was a missing person from New York. He had PTSD, and was depressed prior to leaving. Also, he had walked through the twin towers sometime prior to them being struck.
Also, it migh be an idea to see if they was any activity on her social security number or even Medicare. About a year ago, a New York State Police investigator, was trying to identify remains that had been found. They appeared to match the description of a woman who disappeared in Sullivan County, in New York, over 20 or more years before. They found the case report, and rechecked everything. That included her SSN, and found a woman with the same 1st name, but a different last name. She was a resident in a nursing home in Lowell, Massachusetts. They took the picture from their case file, and drove to Lowell. She recognized her picture. Her husband had died since she dsappeared, which did not bother her.
I wonder if the suspect Mr. Schnider, had a criminal record prior to this crime. I don’t understand how they transferred the button to the FBI, and they supposedly they lost it. Yet, according to a post the victim’s son has the button and other evidence. It would be interesting to know how he has the evidence. Also, it’s contaminated and also, the chain of custody was not maintained. So, any good criminal defense attorney, would have it thrown out. So, we are back to square one, unless we get the alleged offender to admit that he shot the victim. Then he would get a easy sentence after pleading to a lesser offense.
I bet the Ames Police Department, is actively investigating the case, so they can’t reveal any evidence. It would hurt the case and maybe cause the suspect to flee. He or she could cross the southern border into Mexico, but then they might be arrested for entering the country illegally.
But, at least his wife got all the money. It helped cover her debts to the boys from Chicago.
Literally, there is not one living soul to prosecute in this case. Any/everyone even remotely connected to it is dead.
Is his wife dead?
It would be nice if the Des Moines Police could provide a bit more details on his murder. Was he shot, stabbed, strangled, beaten to death. Also, was any money missing. Robbery, might be a motive to kill someone especially a cab driver. It makes me wonder why they are holding back some information. He was murdered over 22 years ago, and not releasing some basic information, seems to not have helped.
Patrick, as the founder of Iowa Cold Cases, I give thanks to the Des Moines Police Department for taking the time to provide to me a list of their unsolved homicides, to include the names of victims, their case numbers, the address or vicinity where these individuals were killed, and the crime dates.
I’d also like to note that the DMPD has an incredible 85% homicide-clearance rate (as of the end of 2018), which is not only higher than many other Iowa cities, but well above other several other major American cities.
It’s been nearly 14 years since the ICC website launched, and there were far less digital newspaper archives available in 2005 as there are today. Murders across the state are going cold faster than we can add pages for them on ICC, and we put a priority on getting the names and basic details added to the site rather than queueing up back-logs of other names that equally deserve to be noted here. In between adding new cold cases there are tips to forward to the respective investigating agencies, numerous inquiries awaiting responses via email, website comments, ICC’s Facebook page (where there are more comments and messages to review), and of course taking daily phone calls.
We are an Iowa nonprofit agency run by real human beings who also have real lives we must address.
As more and more arrests are made by agencies utilizing genetic genealogy, those case summary pages must be updated accordingly to reflect current developments and/or convictions or acquittals.
This site’s mission is to include on the website every known unsolved homicide to remind readers these cases remain unsolved and information still badly needed. We are not city- or county- or state-paid homicide detectives. But we spend thousands of hours every year trying to keep this ever-increasing list of victims’ stories up to date (including any arrests and details arising during the subsequent trials) in a state that has no official Cold Case Unit. Are we able to include every single detail of every case or answer every question posed to us? Real examples on different cases include:
All are legitimate questions, but why are they not being directed to the investigative agency instead of ICC? Who amongst us doesn’t know that LE oftentimes do not release the cause of death (or even how many stab wounds a victim sustained and where on his/her body?) because it possibly could compromise an ongoing investigation.
We have several hundred cases on this website from across the state, and though we do conduct research and interviews and update case summaries on a regular basis, we don’t have access to all documents in every city/county cold case file.
In an in-depth 2018 Washington Post series titled, “Murder with Impunity,” there are numerous sections that address different aspects of homicides such as Where Killings Go Unsolved. Another article in the series is “Buried Under Bodies” (published Sept. 13, 2018), and it explores the average homicide caseload any detective should reasonably be expected to handle over a one-year period. (Hint: “Any city that has a homicide detective handling more than five cases is kidding themselves,” according to Vernon Geberth, who wrote the textbook used by many police departments to teach homicide investigation. “Even the best detective can’t handle more than five cases,” Geberth says.)
The people who contact ICC are looking for answers they haven’t found in newspapers or press releases or in phone calls to detectives, but both Carol Kean and I juggle many separate cases per day and dig to find those answers (to include photos for victims in archives). We do it because we care about the victims and the family members left behind, but we don’t and never will have all the answers. Still, we carry on.
Jody @ ICC
Thanks, I see a need for the various Attorney Generals around the country, to establish cold case units, that would use retired and active investigators and some federal input, to take these cases. That way they could take the burden off the local agencies to work on the more pressing cases.
The idea for this came from author J.A. Jance, a mystery novel writer. One of her characters is a J.P Beaumont, who have a number of years moved from Seattle P.D., to the Special Homicide Investigation Team (SHIT), which is under the control of the Attorney General. They have statewide jurisdiction.
Here is Illinois, the reported on the unsolved murders of a number of mainly African-American women, who have been found on the West side and South side of Chicago. The Chicago Police response is their waiting for DNA, to provide some sort of investigative lead. I am of the mind set, that they should be looking for other things that might point them towards an offender. What will they do if the DNA comes from someone not in the system. They are back to square one
I agree that they do withhold certain information as in regards to cause of death. But, in many other cases the authorities have released that information. I have a problem with some of the stuff that has been withheld, especially in cases that are over 20 or more years old. That little tidbit about a ring, or watch that was missing, might have jogged someone’s memory.
I came across a cold case from Indiana, involving the murder of a man and his wife, on Websleuths. I don’t know all the details, but one of the main contributor appears to be someone from their family. It appears when in days of their murder a relative is cleaning out the house. Also, that included a safe containing numerous firearms. When complained to the police about it, they were told its a civil matter. Wait a minute could one of those weapons have been used to murder them. There are hints that the relative was a female who had a serious drug problem.
I also point to Todd Matthews, a spokesman for NamUs, to was the guy who spent years of his time trying to identify the murdered woman known as the Tent Girl.
Cindy, did Valerie actually go swimming at the pool. Also, why would she leave alone, since it appears you two went there together. Also, did she have a boyfriend, possibly someone older than she was.
Also, a comment mentions someone with a shoe fetish. Can someone elaborate on this person. Again, is this and the others entered into VICAP.
Valerie and I were dropped off at the pool by my parents. We were going for the evening swim session and she was going to stay the night at my house after. We paid our admission and went to the changing room. It was then that she handed me her suit and towel and informed me that she was going to go meet someone and would return to swim within the hour. I instantly had a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach. As much time as we had spent together as friends, she had never done something like this. She seemed nervous and conveyed that the person she was meeting would be angry if she was late. I begged her not to go. But she promised to be back within the hour. I proceeded into the pool area and immediately went to the chain link fence that separated the pool from the park and looked out to see her walking South of the pool. I called out to her and she started towards me. I asked her again to stay and she smiled and said I’ll be back. I watched her walk away for several minutes, and then turned my attention to the pool. Valerie never returned. My parents were there at 8 pm and were very concerned when I told them what transpired. I cannot answer any questions about the person with the shoe fetish as I have never heard about that. I have answered hundreds of questions over the years about that night. Maybe thousands. And I will continue to answer them, if for no other reason, than to keep her memory alive. She was a wonderful person. Kind and funny. She loved life and animals. She didn’t deserve what happened to her. But she deserves justice.
Do you know who she was meeting?
What a haunting description – and to relive it hundreds, thousands of times, answering questions, but never coming up with new answers (who, why). Yes, she deserves justice!
Cindy, what you say here – “she handed me her suit and towel” – is different from what Valerie’s grandma reported: “When she (Cindy) came outside later, she found Valerie’s swimming suit and towel nearby” – Valerie walked from the pool to the Hicks residence, where she “spoke briefly with an older Hicks girl,” then walked away and “was last known seen” (???) on the street corner around 8:30 p.m. Sunday. When Valerie hadn’t returned home by 10 p.m., her father filed a missing persons report with the Waverly Police Department.
A town the size of Waverly, someone had to see something and know something – and with the FBI joining forces with local LE, how hard could it be to figure out what happened to Valerie?
Carol, your response to Cindy’s version of what happened that Sunday evening makes me wonder where she would have gone that she would be back in 1 hour.
Also, Cindy’s parents dropped them off, yet Valerie decides to go off and meet someone. Then why go the swimming pool, if she had to meet this individual, who gets angry when she is late. Unless it was her way of sneaking out of the house using the excuse that she was going swimming with Cindy.
If she returned then she would be using Cindy, to cover for something she was doing against her father’s wishes.
I can say with certainty, that my account of the events at the pool are accurate. It has been almost fifty years since that night. And I can see the events as clearly in my head today as I did then. I don’t discount the Ted Bundy theory. Anything is possible. But my gut tells me otherwise and that gut feeling has never been wrong. The person who did this, in my opinion, is hiding in plain sight.
Cindy, please know that I was not questioning the accuracy of your recollections. Valerie’s grandma quoted you one way, but people misquote others all the time. She said you said….
I am saddened all the more with every passing year that a town as small as Waverly cannot figure out which one of their own is a killer. I have no doubt this was not some distant serial killer passing through town. Joseph Carmody Jr. had victims in Waverly as early as 1971. Julie Benning, #2 of “The Waverly Three,” was silenced during the same month that two Waverly women charged Carmody with rape. He was operating there. It’s possible that Valerie was supposed to recruit a new girl for them, but failing to produce her (the Hicks girl), Valerie got killed. Lisa Peak was held captive by Carmody when she went to interview him in Mason City (journalism major, Wartburg, her freshman year). She escaped, got him arrested, and was writing a book about Carmody’s sex trafficking scandals when she was killed. I’ve always wondered by her co-author, Chuck Offenberger, never finished the book and got it published.
Who was the guy Valerie was supposed to meet that night? All roads lead to…. (Not a Serial Killer).
The other question is whether any other similar crimes have taken place under similar circumstances. That’s why it’s important that these cases get entered into the FBI’s VICAP system. There is no mention of any signs of struggle, at the store, such as displays knocked over.
What about the boyfriend, was he ever ruled out as a possible suspect. Also, was it normal for the manager to show up that early. Also, I would have made sure the authorities were be aware that a woman, was working alone at the store, so that they would check her on a routine basis. It also could have been accomplished by a phone call. If no response, then a unit would be dispatched.
Mr. Elledge, do you remember the name of the individal that was charged. It might be something to tie him to this case. Also, how far away is Jones County from Delaware County. What was similar between the two cases. I assume the offender is deceased by now.
Yes, when the Jones County case happened, the M.O. And signature evidence matched.
That is the reason Delaware County Sheriff’s investigator Bert Elledge suspected the same man as the killer in the Delaware County case. Elledge worked closely with then
Jones County Deputy Jim Benter. Benter would be your best contact. Sheriff Barr of
Delaware County is deceased, as well as Deputy (later sheriff) Bert Elledge. If I recall correctly the suspect was convicted in the Jones County case, (the victim did not die
In that one) through the investigative efforts of Elledge and Benter. Seems like if memory serves the suspect upon conviction got 10 years, and did time. Jones County Clerk of Court should have the records, and Benter first hand knowledge. Seems like a few years ago DCI had it on their priority cold case list, and were digging back into it at one time.
Good luck.
Maybe Mr. Kurtz, returned and decided to kill Mr. Alborn. It was nice of the criminal justice system, to give him only 30 days for burglary. I wonder if his major was basic burgary, and was working towards an advanced degree in burglary.
I thought so too!
Very odd that he only received 30 days for stealing all those guns!
Praying for justice!!
It could that he had an interest in her, and most likely she blew him off. There was no signs of sexual assault, and no money was missing from the store. So this points to someone who was upset with her. Maybe her family can think of someone who expressed an interest in her, or someone who attended her services that was overly distraught.
I also wonder what was in his vehicle, when it was found in Mount Pleasant. I wonder if it might have been stolen. Also, I wonder what connection that this area had with Mr. Doerring or his family. I find it interesting that Harold and his wife were married in Beloit, Wisconsin.
List not complete, Gilbert was guilty, Brocks kill serving time in Illinois. These were casez the CRPD did not want to solve from the beginning. Other murders they considered accidents. For years CRPD was corrupt. Now for last seven years, they are second to none in this state. Now if the judicial process would catch up it would be great.
Jonathan, nice of you to update us in regards to the local police. Too bad, all these cases were not solved due to the local police being a problem.
However, where was the county and state law enforcement agencies stepping up to the plate. In Georgia, their Bureau of Investigation is required to review all cold cases. About 2 weeks ago, they arrested a woman, and charged her in the kidnapping of a 19 year woman, who disappeared almost 20 years ago.
Is this case still open?
April, thanks for the additional information on his criminal history. One of the problems in the criminal justice system is that we bounce from legislation that tells judges that if someone is convicted of a certain crime, they get a certain amount of time in prison. Then, we think that the judges should have the freedom, to decide how long a convicted criminal serves. Here in Illinois, many felons were barely serving half their sentence.
It also depends on the states attorneys, they sometimes will downgrade a charge, if the offender will take a plea. Here, in Illinois the powers to be want stronger gun control. However, many of those arrested for gun possession, get a slap on the wrist. Earlier this year a convicted felon, was running from the Chicago Police for selling drugs. A district commander chased him down. He struggled with the offender, who shot and killed him.
The politicians wanted to place a ban on selling extended magazines for weapons. Yet they missed the point that he was convicted felon, and could not legally possess a firearm. If he was arrested on a gun charge, he would get a slap on the wrist.
In New York, they have stricter gun laws, that were passed by an Irish-American elected official back in the 1930’s.
I hope we can get the family’s attention to the information you have posted on Christopher Drew. Keep me in the loop. I would love to get my hands on a all the arrest reports and criminal history. A good review might develop some investigative leads. They, might even provide names of others involved.
Someone, mentioned the rumor that he owed people money to people here in Chicago, which might point the finger at the Chicago Mob, or the branch in Milwaukee. It might be something for the Chicago Crime Commission. They have done their homework on the mob and street gangs over the years.
The family is monitoring the posts Patrick however there is nothing anyone can do with this information. It needs to be provided to the authorities. The authorities who seemingly have zero interest in this case.
A great use of time might be to better understand why “Dsm Lady” is so interested in knowing about any potential reward so many years later.
I saw that to. I’m not in this for money. I just want justice god the family and safer streets with this guy behind bars!
Patrick, do you ever post anything that isn’t ex-rectum speculation? Honestly, your posts aren’t needed here. Please go away.
Robin, this is only a guess on my part. I came across this disorder in an article about a missing woman from New York. Her sister was identified as an MD, and most likely works in the field of psychiatry.
There are a number of articles about disappearances connected to this disorder. A couple of individuals have experienced several bouts of this disorder. If you get a chance Google the names Hannah Upp and Jody Roberts.
This disorder has been written up in medical journals, but nothing in law enforcement journals. It would be nice if they could put something together such as a profile to say this person might have fled because of this. The other problem is to create a search protocol for law enforcement.
I am a former police officer and detective, and worked at two VA hospitals in Chicago.
There were a number of people who rode with her in the Des Moines Commuter Club, several that day, including me. I didn’t remember any details about her, I usually slept or studied in the car. A lot of members became friends with fellow passengers. If they weren’t all interviewed, something may have been missed. At this point my memory is fuzzy too. I would trust the notes of the detective who interviewed me and the car schedules and passenger lists I gave him more than my own memory.
It is also possible that police know, but just can’t make a strong case or they know the criminal is safely incarcerated or already dead.
Can targeted funding like Crime Stoppers or a Go Fund Me help get a re-look? Can civilians get involved? As an engineer, I know that fresh minds applied to a problem can often uncover what previous people overlooked. Just like a technical problem I don’t want to let go. I know there are many cold cases but this is the only one that directly affected me.
Another important message is that police and people in general think human life important enough to bring murderers to justice no matter how long they think they have gotten away with it.
JP, the State of Wisconsin has a Cold Case Review Team of 13 active & retired investigators, with local, state and federal agencies. They bring 13 extra sets of eyes and don’t hesitate to ask the agencies if they took certain steps or spoke to other people.
So, the case should be reviewed by others, with a more detail. How, a homicide investigation is handled today is different then when she was murdered. So, different questions would be asked.
Yes, Even if a detective simply re-read the case notes with an eye to what might have been missed or what new forensic tools might be applied it would be hearting. It would be good if say every 10 years at least that was done. Another thought. It would be good if agencies would report a status like: no suspect, suspects but weak evidence, suspects in prison for other crimes, suspects deceased. I could be satisfied with no further review if a suspect is deceased and that was reported here. Of course the suspects should not be named to protect the innocent.
I think a volunteer team of people connected by the internet having some appropriate training in forensics but not necessarily detectives or forensic experts could review cases and ask questions that then could be reviewed by professionals. Appropriate non-disclosure safeguards would have to be instituted but I think the fresh eyes might generate some of the right questions. An organization like Iowa Cold Cases might sponsor such an effort.
j think the authorities need to consider the girlfriend as a suspect. I agree with LuAnn, that the girlfriend should have gone after him. But, she was protecting her brothers. If it was my family member, I would be filing a wrongful death lawsuit against the girlfriend and her family. It might force them to come clean about what happened.
Exactly…I.Agree 100%
Teresa, keep pushing for the retesting of the pillow case. Also, how many people knew about the safe in the basement. It appears from this story, that family members knew about it.
It might be something to challenge family members to provide some answers. Also, it seems odd that the thief would remove the pillow case at the crime scene. Unless, he believed they the victim’s wife would not turn him in.
Also, was there a problem with the local police to do an investigation on their suspect. I guess it was to hard to develop leads by working the street. Also, what was in the safe, that was of value.
JP, also it’s important that we keep discussing and commenting on these cases. It might knock loose some tidbit of information that someone all sudden remembered. It might have been something inconsequential, but in the grand scheme of things it might be the key to solving her murder.
JP, I find that sometimes law enforcement does not interview everyone. A few years ago someone commented on a cold case involving somene in Mchigan. The person, had received a phone call from the person who disappeared the night before. She was looking for a ride, but the poster was going out of town. The poster had never been interviewed by the police all these years later.
Also, quite often relooking at cold cases is not a priority. Also, a recent article reported that testing of evidence from cold cases was not a priority for crime labs in California. This allowed several offenders to remain on the street, committing further violent crimes.
It cost money, manpower, and other resources to relook at cold cases. But, it also sends a message that the agency does not give up. It also important to the famiy that the authorities are still determined to find the answers to what happened to their loved one.
April, I found a whole bunch of addresses for Christopher, most of them in Des Moines and West Des Moines. But, came across three addresses in California, two in Riverside and one in Pomona. Also, one address in Betany, Missouri, which is located close to Interstate -35.
One of the addresses in California, dates to around May 1996. It makes me wonder, if he was hiding out in California, for some reason. I believe his date of birth is July 24, 1975. Maybe, being in California was to create an alibi.
Also, he filed an appeal to a conviction, that he pled guilty to via some sort of form. He had been arrested for being drunk, and arguing with someone in a trailer park. He suuposedly told someone that “he knew some N word, that carried guns, or something to that effect”.
It appears he has a problem with alcohol. That could be the trigger for some of his violent acts over the years. I dealt with patients at a VA hospital, who acted up and out due to the influence of alcohol. One of the reasons, I don’t drink, unless walking. It’s easier to cry in my oatmeal, plus it has fiber. LOL!
April, keep me in the loop, we will figure this out some way. Then, we will have to investigate other cold cases. A modern day Nick & Nora except we investigate online.
So on Iowa courts online it’s extensive. It’s amazing he’s even had the time to walk the streets to commit these violent acts ranging from assault to domestic abuse to robbery and harassment and the list goes on and on. He has several no contact orders from several women. The list was so long I didn’t have the time to view them all. I am hoping family members see this and take this info to the police. Check him out on Iowa courts online
I find it interesting that a number of communities in Iowa, are so anti-social in regards to people who move into the area. But, then there are those people who alllow their family members get away with murder. This seems to have popped up in another cold case posted on this website. I guess this is tolerated in Iowa, even up to the state government.
But, then here in Illinois, we have elected officials put their family members in government jobs. It appears they could not handle working in the private sector, like real people. I actually worked for the federal government for a number of years, but left after having to deal with incompetent leaders.
I missed the work, but the leadership tolerated the incompetent people. But, then the leaders don’t know the process of leadership, and how to properly deal with these people. I just easy to move them around then get rid of them.
I searched him on one database. They have links to some court records. I did not find anything on him on the database. There was a number of Christopher Drew’s in the court record database, but not him, for some reason.
It could be that he has a number of alias names.
I need to get a hold of that detective of MR.Marlon’s case i’m doing a report on him in class and he is about my age so I picked him…PLEASE WRITE BACK👮
April, I wonder if the authorities ever looked at him for this crime. Also, he would have been about 21 years old at the time of this crime. It would be interesting to run him through the databases and see what he has been arrested for. Was he ever connected to any street gangs of note. Maybe, one connected to my neck of the woods in Chicago.
I wonder if any of Big Earl’s family is monitoring your postings on Mr. Drew. Then, they could pass it along to the authorities. Keep me in the loop.
April, and other interested party’s, Christopher Sean Drew, 43, was booked into Polk County Jail, on October 22, 2018, for Public Intoxication- 3rd offense, and two counts of parole violations. So, he might be a keeping the State of Iowa for awhile.
His rap sheet is continuously ongoing for very violent offenses. He’s a very scary man
It sounds like something that the Chicago Mob, would want a piece of his profits. They most likely behind on his street tax, or wanted to be silent partners in his business. What,I don’t uunderstand is the arson business. The offender gets community service, what a crock. Some jail time was deserved.
Alsom has anyone checked Mr, Christopher Drew’s background. He sounds like a possible person of interest. April, you need drop a dime via crime stoppers.
He may have been hospitalized somewhere, but because of HIPPA, this information is restricted. The family should contact the Salvation Army. They have a Missing Person’s Bureau. They can be contacted online or by calling an 800 number. They have some sort of form, to fill out and submit. The person has to be missing for at least 6 months. Freddy, meets this requirement.
Also, if he has gotten medical treatment, he might have a Medicare or other medical coverage. It might be something for law enforcement to check with Social Security, who knows he might be getting SSI for his condition.
It’s been about almost 6 years around that since u been gone brother I know I don’t show my feelings but now I am I am hurting inside really bad my heart is broken I miss u so much I cry all the time brother Freddy this is Chris ur bRotherham I miss u so much it hurts a lot I am crying right now cuz ur still gone and no one has heard anything from u if ur still out there I hope u are please try to get a hold of someone wherever ur at brother I hope u are safe and I love u so much Freddy please come home I am so hurt without my brother Freddy I wish u were still here I love u
Chris I am sorry you are hurting I just came on here to say I am currently researching your brothers case and have been following it since the “sighting” of him in Davenport that turned out no to be him a couple years ago. He is not forgotten, best wishes to you and yours
Hello I have called the police in every single state and have called everyone in the Homeless shelters across the USA I have filled out every paper work in the USA every State and Country so far nothing has came up .I have sent flyers every where if you or anyone else know what happened to Freddie please call me I’m Sherrie Brown I’m Anna’s sister 813-313-8777
Still no word on Fredrick Workman i have never stopped looking for him,i would like to put his picture up on missing persons again in hopes it jogs some body memory ..i have a new phone number in case someone wants to talk about my nephew or have possibly saw him 8134394982 I will continue to pray 🙏 and look for him Freddy you are loved
It makes wonder what the story is with the different alias names. It would make me think that he had an arrest record besides the terrorism charge. I assume that he did not have any other weapons after his arrest. It might have been someone thinking he had some money, and was upset that when he didn’t.
It’ nice that the people who posted on here, know what supposedly happened. Law enforcement should be monitoring this page. All, they would need was to fill in the details, and file charges.
There is no proof. The family of the slain hired a detective, and the family of the accused sued for defamation, or something like that if I remember correctly. The bottom line was, there was no proof. Only heresay.
I had heard that DCI has parts of the house and items that were taken at the time. I suppose it’s been too long to find DNA. Terrible tragedy.
He was active in the church, yet was homeless. He was arrested for public intoxication. Yet, he could spend hours doing crossword puzzles. An interesting character. I would be looking at someone in the homeless community that all of a sudden dropped out of sight. Maybe, his character changed under the influence of alcohol, and he got someone bent out of shape enough to take his life. But, the cause of death took a while to determine.
I would wonder how he was murdered, that was complicated. It makes me wonder if anyone else was murdered the same way anywhere else.
A certain Iowa grocery chain moved their corporate headquarters to Chariton in 1945. Did the founders have young sons at that time? No doubt they were influential in Chariton. Just a thought I had.
1981 a man with 1972 impala tried to kill me me he had black hair with a pitted face and also drove a small white car he was never caught ,he beat me with a metal baseball bat and was a public official he often drove 19th street and 1st ave . He ran me over when I dug my fingers in his eyes ,I will never forget his face
Eugene you make no sense, you just talk nonsense and hatred. Something is wrong with a person who acts the way you do. Grow up!
excatly.Why dont keep his/her mouth shut and stop spreading false claims..?
Just for general information, there is psychological disorder that is triggered by severe emotional trauma, that leads to amnesia and the person to flee the area.
This disorder is called Dissociative Fugue, and can last for months and years. A man in Australia disappeared for almost 23 years. He was actually found by an investigator checking the Australian version of Medicare. This was a week before he was to be declared dead.
It could be that she wandered off and might have lived thinking she was someone else. It is only a guess. Since, she had been dealing with depression. This disorder is considered rare, but their maybe a number of undiagnosed cases.
Wilbur Millhouse, a man who lived directly across the street from Morris’ store, implicated himself in Johnny Gosch’s disappearance in 1982. In 1973, the DM Register interviewed Millhouse at the scene of Morris’ murder and quoted a neighbor who said Morris would only have unlocked that store door after hours for someone from the neighborhood. In 1986, Millhouse went to prison for 20 years for sexually abusing teen boys. It would not surprise me at all if Millhouse was involved in Morris’ murder too.
No the person who is involved lives here in Mesa Az at 155 N. 88th way 85207 his name is Mark David Davis Sr.? He’s also a Child Molester & Rapist I should know I’m one of his victims & unfortunately one of his siblings our family had to leave Iowa because of his crimes he was young violent & on drugs (PCP) & involved with people even far more dangerous than him! His terror continued in AZ on innocent women & children. I’m sure if they took his prints & DNA they’d be able to solve several unsolved cases.
Are you saying he implicated himself in David Morris’ murder, or in the Johnny Gosch or Eugene Martin kidnappings? Did he live in Iowa in the early 1980’s? How old would he have been in 1982? Did he have any involvement with the Des Moines Register?
I do not see any offenders by that name at that address. Did he pass away?
Wilbur Millhouse died in 2015.
Also, Millhouse was a newspaper dispatcher who regularly drove old delivery trucks at that time.
Millhouse wasn’t the only pedophile working with the young delivery boys at that time, there were at least two others, delivery boys had stories about them propositioning the teens often, rumors of worse, and Millhouse mentioned on a number of occasions that Gosch never learned to keep quiet and that’s what got him in trouble, this was after he went missing.
How is this tied to David Morris?
Has Kimberley Sue Doss’s DNA ever been compared to Princes Doe, Found dead in Blairstown, N.J. August, 1982. I have been inquiring for years now with no answers. Is it possible there are some mix ups with DNA samples from wrong parentage?
Another unsolved attack on a senior citizen in Des Moines. Again no mention of any signs of forced entry. Off course, the police may have held back this information. Who knows, someone after all these years could walk into the police and claim they killed him.
This would be a detail that trip him up, if he or she confessed to the crime.
I again wonder if this case was entered into the FBI’s VICAP system. It would be interesting to see if there were any other cases involving the use of a .32 caliber firearm. There were two girls found murdered in Chicago in the early 1970’s, that were shot with a 32 caliber firearm.
Also, a young man missing from Zion, Illinois, was found shot to death with a 32 caliber firearm in Racine County, Wisconsin. I know the case involving the two girls by has never been solved. The murder of the young man, I am not sure about.
I wonder if this case might be connected to the homicides that involved other senior citizens in Des Moines in 1978 and 1979.
I wonder if the Dubuque Police, ever ran a check on the vehicle VIN number. I recommend they contact the National Insurance Crime Bureau. They could check their databases and see if they come up with anything. This is like doing a Carfax check before buying a used car to make sure it was not damaged.
I have wondered the same thing. Parts of that car like the tires, grill etc could be in a junkyard. But a chop shop would have been a smarter choice
No record that way….
As, always they are protecting someone and don’t want to rat out their supposed good friends. How many young people get killed or wounded over an argument over some stuff that amounts to nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Their have been shootings, where someone was denied entry to a party. So they go home and get a gun. Then they go back and shoot up the place and kill or injure someone. If I don’t get invited to a party, it bothers me. I go home and cry in my oatmeal. But it does not bother me.
Therese, the other thing for crime patterns is geography. An investigator in Canada, plotted the locations of a rash of sexual assaults in his city. He theory was that the offender lived in the area, and was in his comfort zone. However, his computer program, sort of displayed a graph, vesus a map. There is a company that provides training in this area, and he was an instructor.
As former detective with the Veterans Administration hospital, I used a Geico leave and pay period brochure, to look at some thefts from patients. It highlighted that the thefts were taking place on pay week. We had no incidents after payday. It did not identify an offender.
There might be a pattern, or something that might link these cases, but it will not reach and grab you.
Someone, I assume thought that there was something of value in the place. The offender or offenders were most likely upset that they found nothing. But then there is no mention if anything was missing. Also, I notice there is no mention of signs of forced entry to his home.
I like that Theresa is looking at possible pattern to these attacks. It could that somene seemed to think that these seniors may have had something of value. It would be nice if these cases were entered into the FBI’s VICAP system. It was set up for this reason to help see if the M.O. of the crime had been used before.
The pattern could be related to the day of the week. It could be related to wgen they got their retirement checks. This was before we had direct deposit. Also, someone was observing certain stuff about these people, at a bank, store, drug store or whatever. Then they shared it with a friend who targeted them.
They might have something in common, that law enforcement did not look at or think to look at.
Good Point!
It appears that the authorities should have looked at the woman truck driver Lucy Evans and made sure they covered all the bases. I like that the prosecutor should have been clear as to the motive and not assumed a motive.
I wonder if the local police ever relooked at his case. Also, I wonder if their any similar crimes like this in the area. Also, the fact that the offender or an accomplice cut the phone wires
Also, I wonder if she had a previous boyfriend who was upset, that she dumped him and married Douglas. The other thing was that she was stabbed twice in the stomach, and once in the throat. I wonder if this was to keep her quiet. Also, the auhorities mention robbery as a motive, but no mention of anything missing, or signs of forced entry.
I wonder if contacting Des Moines Police would get them to look again in light of so many forensic technical developments in recent years. The investigation at the time seemed pretty thorough. I was asked about things like possible boyfriends and conflicts. I knew of none but provided lists of people she rode with commuting to Iowa State University. I assume those people were also asked.
I didn’t know her, but she was from my home town in Illinois. I went to school with her younger siblings. I remember when this happened, but was too young to understand much. I randomly remembered it after I developed a interest in cold cases. It always struck me as weird that a “robber ” would cut phone lines, and break in at basically dinner time? I do remember that she was strikingly beautiful (the photo used here is terrible) and wondered if some guy had fixated on her or targeted her. I very much doubt she had a boyfriend, both from what I know of her family; also she’d only been married for a few months. Her parents had the resources to pursue the case publicly or privately, and perhaps they did, or perhaps they wished to put it in the past. Looking at it now, it just seems strange that it’s labeled a robbery/murder and makes me wonder about the thoroughness of the investigation. I know there were a lot of unsolved homicides in Iowa in the years around this sad crime.
They were protecting their friends. That’s more important then standing up and telling the truth. We then have the local police involved in covering for the guilty parties. I would be suing the Garrison family and their son for the wrongful death of Douglas.
I like that Larry’s parents should crucified their son, for having the party and the fact that someone died in their house from being shot. I would be ashamed and do anything possible for the family
Theresa, the fact that a detective with the police department advised against looking into his murder is disgraceful. I wonder if these boys now a bit older have been paying off the right people to protect their own children’s mistakes.
Also, I wonder if the detective would feel the sameway if it was someone in his family? It would be nice to file a lawsuit against the police department accusing them of covering up the murder of Joe. It might expose those involved and also expose the corruption in the town. Then it would lead to a wrongful death lawsuit against those involved. Also the town’s residents should be ashamed that they protected those who committed the crime.
Especially, he did not hesitate to help someone in need. He was a good and decent man. I wonder what the FBI dug up in their investigation.
That’s crazy!
I can’t believe they said that!!
Very suspicious.
who the hell dumps a carpet in the woods..that was the killer
Sadly, it’s not uncommon for carpets and other bulky trash items to be dumped in semi-remote areas. I have seen everything from carpets and rugs, to stoves and wash machines, dumped in areas off the beaten path. Maus Park in Dubuque, due to it’s location, is a prime location for dumping items. Today, it is a mostly forgotten space, chiefly inhabited by the homeless.
I would be interested in knowing whether it was inhabited by homeless at the time of the murder.
Seems to me iowa dont know how to acomplish a damn thing period…get your sh* t together
The state of Iowa always has an excuse. I have no faith what’s so ever in our justice system. I can acknowledge Iowa is better for raising children but that doesn’t mean DHS, courts or law enforcement agencies are doing their job. Cha chingg$$$
This lack of information on these cases, is the norm in certain communities. In Illinois a coach for some sort of team, got upset and started an argument. He then pulls out a weapon. Luckily, no one was shot, and he got arrested.
What a nice example for the kids on the team. Their coach is supposed to be example and provide leadership and guidance.
Instead, this guy resorts to the street gang mind set. Well, what do we expect, when we promote this violence in certain songs, movies and video’s.
I like this story, he gets discharged from the hospital, visits a daughter and then has to hitchhike home. I am glad not be part of his supportive family.
They just threw him under the bus. Then he is found murdered and his body wrapped in a tarp. I also like that there is no identified cause of death. But the authorities claim he was murdered. Was an autopsy performed by someone, and he or she classified it as a homicide?
What do we know about the tarp. Where was it made or sold. Where we normally find this type of tarp. I quite often see trucks hauling various products that are coveted with tarps.
I wonder if any of the veteran posts provide any transportation to the Iowa VA’s for patient to visit there clinics.
He served his country and needs medical treatment at the VA. Then no one gives a damn on how he is supposed to get home.
There are a lot of untrue things being said, but i can assure you that we are just as happy that you’re not part of our supportive family. Find something else to take your bitterness out on.
Why isn’t any DNA available? Couldn’t they extract DNA from bone marrow? Familial matches could potentially be found through ancestral databases.
Not a lot of details on his murder. There is no mention of what he was doing for a living after returning from Vietnam. Also, were there any shell casings found at the crime scene. If yes and hopefully they still have them they should be entered into the computerized ballistics system. Maybe the gun was used in another crime, or recovered by law enforcement.
These cold cases should be revewed and details that were with held be released to seek information or investigative leads.
I agree!
They need to check the shell casings.
I also find it very odd that the person who murdered him called it in!
Praying they find the person who did this!
I would assume, someone from law enforcement is still in the area, from that time period. I would think they would come forward and state yes that the police chief was corrupt, and protected this pimp, and others. Also, the BCI, was involved, would they tolerate a coverup. I wonder if her autopsy could be revewed by a pathologist today and maybe he or she might be able to pinpoint something on how she might have died.
Also, how did she get to where she was found. It would have been nice to determine what caused her to runaway. Also, was the former boyfriend ever interviewed. What about her close friends.
Where did the issue of a pimp come from? There is no mention of a pimp in any of the articles? What pimp?
Bill, individuals involved in human trafficking, normally target young women, who may be runaways. So, the term “Pimp”, was used by the commenter to describe an individual, who was involved in prostitution.
She could have be targeted by this guy, since she was a regular runaway. We have her juvenile probation officer, sort of ignoring the fact that she had runaway again. He was going to work the grapevine.
This was the mindset of law enforcement when teens disappeared. Here in the Chicago area, many years ago, a 11 year old boy was missing from home. The police figured he ran away, since the family was moving to Kentucky.
Then they changed that mindset, when he his body was found in the woods. It was determined that some individuals had burglarized his home and found him in the process. So, one of the burglars killed the boy.
I pray that someone has seen your comment by now Andy! And that it has not been pushed under a rug.. I don’t think that your off base at all. Anytime someone is feeling as if they are being watched,.. 99% of the time they are.
Im curious about the shell casings at the scene of where Lisa’s body was found ..and the fact that the Connelly boy was shot to death. Could they have been linked in some way? Or perhaps the person who disposes of the evidence and bodies in the same place..
I am sorry for the families loss… Truly a terrible thing! And to not have any answers or justice… And perhaps to never have justice served . RIP Lisa :(
There is no mention of forced entry. Also, if the neighbors saw or heard anything. Also, was she a stay at home mom, or did she have a job. Also, did the neighbors see or hear anything.
She ran an in home daycare at the time. No forced entry, and if I recall there was a sighting of a person wearing sunglasses who was spotted by a person in the neighborhood during the mid day.
It appears from some online records that Donald Eugene Wellington, may be deceased, but others show him as being 70 years old, with addresses in Palmdale and Pleasanton, California. So, which one is correct.
He is deceased.. since 09..there is more than one person with that name in that same area. I verified by his dob that it was him.
I wonder if they ever tracked down her ex-husband Donald Wellington. I am impressed t that Sheriff Bloemendaalm took the bull by the horn to solve this case. It’s important to someone and sends a message that his department will take the necessary actions to find and charge the offender in this case.
The other thought I had was that he might have suffered from what we now know as PTSD, from his service in WW II. Her divorcing him, most likely did not help him. He most likely never sought treatment and maybe qualified for a disability for his condition. The money could have helped him support his family. But, then he was thrown under the bus.
KP, he did have a responsibilty to support his family. However, he puts his life on the line for his country. He may have suffered some from serving in combat, that affected him. I wonder if he ever returned to Kansas, he might have gotten support from his siblings.
How many WW II veterans suffered from their time in combat. Many of them never spoke about what they saw. How many of them never sought the treatment and the option of getting a disability from the military.
So, this may have caused problems in his marriage, led to the divorce and being put in prison for non-support. So, he gets out an rides the rails and ends up dead in Iowa.
So, his ex-wife and family are out of luck in getting any financial support from him.
P.S. I am a veteran and the son of a WW II veteran, who suffered from what we know call PTSD. I also worked as a police officer and detective at a VA hospital in Chicago. So I have seen my share of what combat does to these guys.
One patient broke down crying about the fact that he was sent into combat in North Africa, with not a lot of training.
My father suffered during 18 months of combat, was wounded and knocked out three times from concussions. He got lucky when a doctor temoved him from combat.
His death is considered a homicide. Yet, it does not indcate how his death tied to exposure is considered a homicide. Also, he us from Kansas, yet spends time in a Oregon prison for non-support. He serves his country and they throw h7m in jail. He should have gone back to Kansas and his famiy. He might have found work and supported his family.
Since, he was deceased his ex-wife and kids got nothing for getting sent to prison. He gets out and is riding the rails and ends uo dead. I hope she was happy with the outcome.
You fail to understand, or at least to acknowledge, that he had a responsibility to support the children he fathered. It has nothing to do with whether or not she was “happy with the outcome”.
What a sad story. Her husband was killled during the war. She then gets remarried and then separates from him after a short period of time. I don’t understand all the tattoos. Also, she was from Ohio, and then marries Stanley in West Vrginia. Then she ends up in Davenport, working at a laundry. It makes me wonder why she did not go back to her family in Ohio. She could have been estranged from her family, and was embarased to return home.
They may think they got away with this. They think the law can’t get them but know this: Karma will find you. It always does. Keep looking over your shoulders guys cuz Karma is following you and you never know when it will reach out and grab you.
I really think the waterways need to be searched in the area he was last known to be in. My thoughts and prayers are with Ethan’s family and loved ones. He’s been missing far too long. They need answers, justice if his disappearance was at the hands of another, and some measure of closure.
I like the fact that the Hotspot manager does not remember David being there that night. But supposedly he got into an argument with someone there earlier. So, I guess the manager ignores the fights and arguments taking place at the club. But, then he be protecting his gang members who hang out at the club.
Also, wonder about the car VA accident. He was driving a friend’s car. Could his friend beenb brought the actual target.
I’m sorry I never got the chance to respond to this how to say yes there is 20 people to interviews and nobody wants to step forward 20 some years later in the person’s car he was driving with a female and she passed away a couple short years later that seems to be that code of the street where nobody speaks
I wonder, if she was having any problems with someone at work. I am surprised that all her supposed friends did not want to go fishing with her. Did one of them know something was going to happen.
Also, her phone is missing, which is interesting. But their should be records of all the phone calls she made. It could be that the offender’s picture might be on there. Also, where was she staying while on her fishing trip.
This is real nice. His pregnant girlfriend and “friends”, cleaned up the crime scene for two hours before calling EMT’s. I guess they wanted to make sure that authorities did find proof that they killed him. I hope someone was charged with obstruction. It might be an udea if they dumped his body.
I hope she can explain to his child that mommy killed daddy.
Nobody was charged. And police said not any evidence to charge anyone .And the skank murdered his unborn child too and got away with that also. The police dept in fairfield iowa is lazy..and corrupt. Police letting the ho get away with murder while their other officers are eating pain pills they steal from the vet clinic. Another officer with domestic abuse charges but can carry weapon while on duty is now been moved up as a Sheriff’s deputy..and he beat on a woman after handcuffing her and charging her for domestic while she was bruised and bleeding from her old man at the time and his nephew investigated the report she made on him and of course found no reason to charge him with a crime. Something needs to be done with this police dept ..There is way too many illegal things going on. Too many crimes not being investigated right. Murder left unsolved cause they dont wanna do their jobs right .
She lost the baby
Not a lot of details in this case, but it took place a couple of months before I was born. It would be a nice case for cold case investgation training. I wonder if the Delaware County Sheriff’s office even has any records or evidence from the case.
It mentions that he was found on the front lawn of the Barney Wiskus Home. I wonder what kind of place. Also, if it was not his residence, then why was he there. Did he wrk or live there. It would be nice to know.
So heartbreaking! I remember Kim well and have thought of her many times over the years…..praying for answers and justice for Kim! Wish there was something I could do to help
I’m so sorry for the loss of your sister, Kim. It’s just horrible. When reading the story from that night 32 years ago, some law official should have noticed something just isn’t right. Is there anyway you can go over the sheriff’s head and have Kim and Craig’s case reviewed? I hope you and your family get some closure.
He is murdered about five months after his last divorce. Also, authorities seem to blow off the report of the fight with his latest supposed marred girlfriend. His friends were concerned to mention it.
Believe the married woman was my late grandma I was told she spent the night away from home….was told he was abusive….
Mr. Teske, I assume that supposedly Mr. Clary was abusive, and not your grandmother’s husband. However, Mr. Clary served in Korea, so he could have been dealing with what we now call PTSD. That would have contributed to his at least two marriages, and him having an affair with your grandmother.
I worked with a Chief Quartermaster, on a submarine who had spent time on the riverboats in Vietnam. I noticed certain things going on with him. AS a former employee of the Veterans Administration, those things were signs of PTSD, from being in combat.
I think it’s odd too that he divorced & a few months later he is dead but from what it says they were on good terms.
I also think it was odd that he got into a fight with his new gf.
Could he have fought with someone else too at the party?!
Maybe someone who followed him home from the party & they spoke in the trailer?
Then the person flipped out & murdered him.
I wonder what caliber the firearm was. In Chicago, two young teenagers were found murdered in Washington Park, on the Southeast side of the city in the 1970’s. They had been shot with a .32 caliber firearm. Someone said their murder was connected to the Chicago Mob.
One of the girls worked as a waitress at a restaurant and motel for truckers, that was owned by a mob guy. Also some senior mob leaders from Bridgeport section of Chicago, hung out there. So one of the girls may have overheard something.
There were several murders in that time frame, where a .32 caliber firearm was used. It would be nice if they released that information and other details.
Anon, I don’t know. It seems a long way from Iowa to Tarrant County in Texas. Also, we don’t know if the authorities in Iowa have any DNA, to compare with what ever they migh have in Texas. It might an idea to notify the Eagle River Police Department.
Also, is anyone from her family from Texas. It would help if the authorities provided more details. I guess it was to hard to provide them. It’s frustrating since they will ask for the public’s help.
Doubtful it is her – the age range given for Jane Doe was 21-35 (in 2013). Yerlanin would only have been 16 in that year.
I think it would behoove us all to consider the possibility that she exited this country with her family and has lived a perfectly normal and lovely life. It is somewhat common for Latino families to return home and very normal for them to return for visits. There very well could have been issues that prevented their return.
Charlie, the local police would have a problem if another agency was bought into review their investigation. But, if they have nothing to hide, it would support what they have done so far in their investigation. The outside agency might recommend further action.
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/fort-worth/article211259264.html Could this be her?
Who stood to gain?
This case should be reviewed by another agency. If Les Kennedy was in law enforcement and still has friends in that field, then it appears that there is a conflict of interest. So, it would make sense to have an ouside set of eyes look at it.
Great answerPatrick. Why hasnt DCI or whatever authoritative Superced over any City Police Force or County Sheriffs office stepped in and taken over?? In 19yrs?? Im pretty sure FBI supervises over each County Sherriffs office in iowa. Idk for sure but i bet Jody Ewing might know oe be able to find out??
Charlie, the DCI can’t just step in and take over a case from its local jurisdiction. They MUST be called in and asked to assist in the investigation. Specific circumstances must be met in order for the FBI to intervene and take the lead on the case, and it also depends on the resources they have available to them at any given time. Jody @ ICC
Please allow me to say, there was nothing covered up by the Council Bluffs Police Department. I was a detective at the time and worked on this case, we all thought Les was in on it, but believing and proving are two different things. Les did everything in his power to sidetrack the investigation, like not allowing his wife to talk to us at all. Believe me when I tell you, Les Kennedy was not a friend of anyone on the department, we just lacked the DNA technology to solve this murder until recently. Since the suspect was Les’ son Matt, his attempts to cover up the crime and thwart the investigation are understandable, but Les could still be a coconspirator. In my mind, I believe he was in on this murder, but there is no proof as of now.
I Rember you Robert, Les was telling everyone I did it, my ex wife and I knew Kim she would hang out at our house a lot she was scared of Les and Matt Kennedy the situation is sad I alway thought Les And Matt Did it but like you said thinking and proving is way two different things.
How about a physic I can read it
It would be nice if authorities could provide more details. I mean what she doing when she disappeared. A commenter has posted that she was with her grandmother or her father.
I guess it was too hard for the authorities to provide more details. Unless the did not make an effort to get them
My heart breaks each and every time I see his missing posters.
Lived in Eagle Grove all my life and never heard of this…..
It’s been 13 years. They should have reopened & solved it by now.
So sorry for your loss.
The local authorities could not have the expertise to handle a homicide. So, they could have requested some assistance from other agencies.
It makes wonder if someone had it in for them. I guess we will never know. Also, we have few details. All we know is that they were shot with .20 gauge shotgun. I assume there was no forced entry, no fingerprints, no footprints, no other forensic evidence.
One on-line directory seems to sho him as being at an address in the Bronx, New York, in August 2006. That’s about 6 months after he disappeared. But, he is currently living in Council Bluffs. Maybe he is hiding in plain site.
Clueless Human’s, I agree the authorities could have been a bit more specific about where he was from. Maybe, they never made the effort to check and let us know. The other question is whether he had any major emotional stresses prior to his disapearance.
Also, their is no mention of any family. Was he working anywhere, or attending school. Also, was he normally up and about at this time, There is no mention who him. I guess that is top secet.
Jack, I wonder if this case was ever reported in the Asian community’s in the area. I wonder if there is any Vietnamese communities in the general area of where she disappeared and found murdered.
Also, it wonder if there were any similar cases to hers anywhere in Iowa, or surrounding states. The other thing is wondering if this case was ever entered into the FBI’s VICAP system.
The other thing, is the question is whether she worked at the casino, or just went to hang out would seem to be easy to answer. The alleged boyfriend should have been able to provide that information. I would think authorities could have released that information to the public.
Sounds like a real nice family. The parents let their sons kill their son, and never threw them under the bus. I would charge them with concealing a homicide, and obstruction. Also the witness could have come forward after a number of years.
Then they could say that who actually murdered Frank. Then the case could be closed, and add that the offender or offenders are deceased. Authorities in Oregon or Idaho, about a year ago, identified an offender in the death of a young female resident of a state facility. He is also deceased. The cold case is closed.
Maybe the police are to lazy to make the effort.
WTF is an Alford Plea? I know what it is actually, but it is the stupidest thing and it really pisses me off. It not only allows, but encourages these criminals to continue to deny any personal responsibility. They are clearly guilty, but are allowed to say “I know it looks bad, but I super duper seriously didn’t do it.” And by continuing to lie they are rewarded with less time!
Everybody is a jerk sometimes, granted some more than others. But when I hear stories of a killer admitting “yeah, I did it, I’m sorry, let me answer all your questions so the family has closure” I actually find some respect, and even grief and forgiveness for the offender.
Offenders who continue to BS everybody should rot in prison because they clearly lack any conscience or personal responsibility.
F this guy and any coward who uses this plea as well as the SOBs who got the ball rolling on this garbage.
My regards to the family.
I would be interested to see if they had any evidence that could be tested, with the new tools available. But, it appears that they never recovered the weapon used to kill her.
Also could it be linked to the other murders mentioned.
So if Wilson didn’t commit the crime and it wasn’t Ed Edward’s. Who then did kill this baby so brutally? If he has passed away years ago… it should be ok and up for discussion. And I’d also like to know, … is why is this other person a suspect?
Lisa, you ask good questions. The problem is taking the known facts and connecting them to someone.
In this case it appears this was a planned event. Not, something that was random in a sense, because the offender seemed to know where she was.
This was a time when law enforcement, was not up on serial killers, people into molesting little kids, crime patterns, sharing information across jurisdictions, etc. They did not have the ability to run license plates through NCIC, or state motor vehicle records. We still don’t know if they traced the plates on that one vehicle.
So, all we have is suspicions of who might have done the dirty deed. We have no proven facts that a prosecutor could use to seek an indictment.
We need some facts that be proven. There might be a clue on the reports on this case, that was never followed up on. On review of many cold case investigators have come across someone who was mentioned and never interviewed or a piece of evidence that was never tested.
There is a law enforcement agency that is looking at Ted Bundy in connection to a murder of a young girl. He was supposedly in the area when she was murdered.
But, don’t stop asking questions, because it might jog someone to look at something they remember from that time period. Who knows they provide a clue to a culprit.
This was definitely someone from that area who knew the house and the family and that they had this very young female baby and that she was located in that particular room. This was not random! These demons, hide among us! They are called sociopaths! They do not have a conscience and what he did, does not bother him at all! He does not think or feel like normal people do. That is why he is a sociopath. And there are degrees of sociopaths….and I would say this guy is the worse on the meter because of the horrid description of what he did to this baby girl Donna. This guy if he had been caught, deserved the death penalty for what he did! It is so unjust that this animal was never caught for this rape, and torture murder of this baby girl it make people literally go crazy in their minds to think about it! I can see why that policeman felt so responsible and was losing it in the end of his life about this case! Very sad all the way around!
So if that man admitted to what he had done to little Donna Sue … why was he not charged with her murder? Were all of the details released to the public? And even , if it was, within his confession I am sure there was something he claimed in his detailed confession that would’ve been enough to prosecute is sorry ass! That poor baby, so innocent ,sleep in her bed and taken by a pathetic monster and brutally killed. To know she never received justice is heartbreaking! May her small soul RIHP …
Why is everyone bitching and complaining about what Noreen does to her website or what not? I know it’s been over 30 years but for Christ’s sake have some sympathy… having a child kidnapped and going through all the shit that she’s gone through cut her some slack…. have you ever had a child kidnapped or murdered and not knowing? Maybe that’s just the way she’s dealt with it all these years…… back the hell off… just let her be
She needs to back off. Her foundation no longer exists, yet she claims it does. Why don’t you educate yourself about what is really going on by reading and listening to the research performed by people outside of Noreen’s cult-like camp. She even accused her husband of burying Johnny in a crawl space at 1004 Marcourt. What a joke!
Why don’t you back the hell off and start getting with the new information. She should have never made the documentary or went after Sarah DiMeo, who has done a great job revealing what really happened.
Noreen has taken advantage of Johnny’s disappearance and I am not alone in thinking that.
The truth shall set you free!
Here is a link that will give you an idea about where the Johnny Gosch Foundation (Help Find Johnny Gosch, Inc.) stands with the IRS. I talked to a few people that work in the West Tower on Valley West Drive where the Foundation leased an expensive to rent space for several years. Every one of the people I spoke with stated the non-profit simply “disappeared.”
Now, get off your lethargic ass and do some frickin’ research.
https://www.guidestar.org/profile/42-1194024
Why don’t you stop lying? Yes, it’s true that the JG Foundation lost its tax-exempt status. But had you bothered to do any research, you would have seen that this happened in 2011 (https://i.imgur.com/jfsH8WT.png), meaning that the cessation of maintaining that status predated the documentary. Will you be retracting your claim that forms stopped being filed “after the documentary lines Noreen’s pockets”?
Interesting that you should say “The truth shall set you free”, as that was your username on Franklin Files. And while there, you made some pretty startling insinuations if not outright murder accusations against both Noreen and her then-husband LJG.
> […] Leonard has easy access to lime […]
> […] Lime slows decomposition, which reduces the stench considerably. Just throwing that out there.
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> I forgot to mention the Register reported the day after the disappearance that Leonard found the vacated newspaper wagon and delivered the full load of 37 Sunday editions of the Des Moines Register, instead of going back home to call police. I find that odd. […]
> […] The only conspiracy here is the one that involves both parents, regardless if they killed Johnny or simply conspired to make it happen. […]
Back then, you were quite suspicious of LJG. But I guess that as soon as he validated your virulent hatred of Noreen, he became a credible guy in your book. It doesn’t matter, I suppose, how many discrepancies there are in LJG’s statements. Meanwhile, as you call Noreen crazy for accusing LJG of burying Johnny underneath his house (an allegation that rests solely on LJG’s dubious word), you accused Noreen of burying Johnny’s body underneath her house:
> […] On Saturday October 20, 1982, Leonard leads a search team to search for Johnny in an area that resembles the psychic “perspective.” No body is found at the section of rural area between Hickman and University Avenue adjacent to Interstate 35/80.
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> But wait…I know of another area where all of the psychic predictions comes true. I lived here in 1982 and I am back again.
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> Care to venture where that area is, Noreen? Could it below the hill you live on in West Des Moines?
It is easy to distract you, George. While you attempt to place the blame on Leonard, you clearly miss the bigger picture.
The resolution of the case might be near, and it does not assign guilt to either John Sr. or Noreen. I’ve known this for a long time. I lived here when it went down. You did not. You were not even alive.
Just the facts. Johnny was taken by a local perp.
Son, you are way too young to understand what was going on in Des Moines back in the early 70s and throughout most of the 80s. Let the adults sort this out.
Now, back to your school books, lad.
Your attacks on my age are laughable. No matter who points it out, a lie is a lie and you’ve told some big ones.
While I have highlighted many inconsistencies in LJG’s statements, I have never accused him of anything. The only one who has attempted to “place the blame on Leonard” is you, as anyone can tell by reading your statements posted on Franklin Files.
If, as you now maintain, the resolution of the case “does not assign guilt to either John Sr. or Noreen”, would you care to explain your statements expressing the exact opposite view? My favorite one is “The only conspiracy here is the one that involves both parents, regardless if they killed Johnny or simply conspired to make it happen”.
Either they both were involved, or they were both not involved.
It is a packages deal.
Do you know how easy it is, George, to use the straps attached to a backpack, duffel bag, or, let’s say a paper carrier’s bag, to choke out someone?
No ether, no Chloroform.
Just a sturdy strap that explains it all.
George, look into that.
Simply a diversion to capture your obviously naive mind. Do some work George. Working for Noreen is not a good thing.
The truth about this case is coming , George. It will be a revelation that will make Noreen wish she never made that con artist documentary.
I do not hate Noreen, George, but if I did, I would.
She is a lying POS.
“I do not hate Noreen, George, but if I did, I would.” You do realize that your statement makes no sense at all. For you to call anyone else out on their theories or conclusions is complete bullshit. I don’t care if you grew up in the area, there really isn’t any concrete evidence with regards to this case and any theory is still plausible. As for Noreen, she’s either telling the truth, telling exaggerations or complete lies to keep the media and public interested, which I see no fault in, or is completely delusional and believes her own fabrications. Either way, she is the mother of a kidnapped child. I honestly don’t believe for one second that she or her ex-husband had anything to do with it. For the situation that she is in, you are a despicable person if you give her no grace.
No, you are the lying POS. Keep your filth of this site and leave her alone. Have some decency. Troll.
I agree
He went missing on October 13, 2016 not 2017. Please update. Thanks!
Christy, all the references were to 2016 except the one, and sorry I missed that! It’s been corrected. Thank you for catching it! Jody @ ICC
No problem! I was a Quality Anylst when I was working. Force of habit!
Maybe he needed proof, that the job had been completed. Also, the part about the dog being found hung and butchered. The dog was purchased for protection. So, who was able to get close to the dog, that they could have hung it and then butcher it. The question, is whether an autopsy was done on the dog, to see if it was drugged.
You would think that the students from the high school know something. But, then I recently read a story about the murder of an active duty female sailor and her male companion. NCIS and the local police worked the case. The sailor was white and was her mother’s only child. She also loved being in the U.S. Navy
They identified and arrested the offenders, a bunch of males of color. One of them was found guilty of kidnapping and not guilty of murder because some juror did not want to put another person in color in prison. Well, the guilty verdict gave him 60 years to think about his actions. I wonder what that stupid juror would have thought if the victims had been their son or daughter.
So someone in Des Moines know something and is protecting them. I wonder if the othersstudent’s murder is connected to Pennye’s murder. The aumni of that school should stand up and demand answers from her community.
Apparently you know nothing about Des Moines, Ia. This is isnt New York, Chicago, Cakifornia where people are afraid to open their mouths about things like this. If we seen something we would talk, no matter what color of the victim. We care about our city and all the people here.
Have police check into Henry Claytor!!
Who is Henry Claytor and why/how do you believe he may have been involved?
Eugene Gosch: Why not share what was said on this unavailable interview instead of eluding to it? You seem to be more anit-Noreen than you are pro-Johnny.rescue/search. Are you a relative? I have nothing to gain or lose by studying this case. Do you?
I’m not sure what interview you are talking about, but if you want to learn more about the case, spend some time reading the Des Moines Register articles on microfilm at the downtown branch of the Des Moines Library system.
Like Sarah DiMeo said, the case will not be solved until someone confesses or the remains of Johnny are found. Confession is the only option, as no one will ever find his remains.
As for Noreen, she has lied about the case since day one. Her version of events makes the Easter Bunny seem plausible, and I am not the only one who thinks this.
Sarah DiMeo, who has done a great job looking into Johnny’s case, is visiting the Des Moines area at the end of September. She plans to present at least three episodes from West Des Moines on Saturday September 23.
Check out the podcast at https://fadedout.libsyn.com/, if you are interested in learning more about the case outside of the “official story” told by Noreen Gosch.
Sarah has dealt with Noreen making inaccurate statements on the Johnny Gosch Foundation website. The IRS has not received the proper paperwork for the past three years that validates the existence of the Johnny Gosch Foundation.
Hence, there is no Johnny Gosch Foundation and Noreen’s post on the foundation’s website violates IRS code.
Remove the post Noreen.
Interesting article. I was on the phone with my half brother, Robert. He was talking about my family in Madrid today.. My father Charles, passed away when I was a toddler. I never really knew that side of the family. I do remember a visit where I got head butted by a goat! I was looking on Goggle for Ruby’s Cantina. Came across this cold case in Iowa. After I hung up with Robert, I was scrolling down the article, only to find my Aunt Ruby’s obituary provided by Jody Ewing. I thank you for that. Also, I am very sorry for Ronette’s families loss. I pray for the capture and convection of her murder(s).
Please email me with any information you have re Ronette. I am her birth other.
I don’t understand, this guy was married and had a place of his own. Also, his wife had died three weeks before. So, why was he at this residence? We some exlanation, why he was not living in his own home.Also, who was the owner of the residence? There was no bruising to support the story that the homeowner provided to police. So how did he die.
His death takes place three weeks after Brenda Dailey, dies after she was beaten and thrown a set of stairs. Makes one think that these cases might be connected. But, then she moved around a lot and maybe someone from her past caught up with her. There is no mention of forced entry of her residence. Also, who called 911 in her case.
Also it mentions that there was a suspect that was linked to Connie Marie Ruddy’s…. but I dont ever remember hearing or reading about a suspect been looking but cannot find a name
He was at this Kathy’s house I can’t remember her last name at this point? My Dad would’ve never fell downstairs and my dad was a good person, But stuck up for all of us kids I wasn’t the best kid out of all us but my dad definitely helped me before and after a lot of things.
I wonder how she supported herself and her two kids, while her husband was stationed in Fort Lewis. Also, was she renting the place where they lived. Also, she was in the process of getting a divorce from her husband. I wonder what the reason for the divorce was. Did she have a new boyfriend. I assume they did not live at Fort Lewis, due him not being eligible for off base housing.
Why does this matter?
Samething is happening with my brother in law brother’s case, he was murdered in Cedar Rapids. Beat to death and left by the side of the road a year ago. The Cedar Rapids cops have been horrible to deal with and they know who did it. Hell there have been other instances in that area of town where people have almost been beaten like that. To many unsolved cases in Iowa. I know how the procedure goes, but its frustrating and sad to see others having similar issues when trying to find answers in this state especially at the local level. We do feel your pain and I am sorry it’s been that long with no real answer.
So, I assume that the wife reported him missing. It makes me wonder who else were they involved with. Also, she was about 12 years younger then he was. It makes me wonder if she became involved with him. Also, what knowledge she has or had in regards to his disappearance.
You don’t even know what happened so you can dismiss yourself fr werido
I am wondering.. Did she drive? Was her car found? What happened to the friend that she went with?
She did not drive here. She was in someone else’s car. No Idea what happened to her friend. If i had known in advance that she would become a missing person I would have been more observant . If I had known the ball would be dropped by my mother snd LE I would have been more aggressive in my search.
Unfortunately we don’t plan this stuff honey… And it is definitely not your fault. She had gotten a bus ticket back tho right? Any idea if she had made it on that bus at all?
No idea if she got on a bus or not . No records found of that.
Betti, anything new on her case. It would be nice if the Waterloo authorities could check their records for the name of the woman who was being allegedly abused.
It could be that the ex-boyfriend or victim’s husband, held her responsible for the love of his life leaving the area.
If only we had more details, and the initial case report from Florida, or wherever she was reported missing.
That update of what she may look like today … She looks so familiar! I Need to really meditate on this! May just be a coincident..
Is there any other info given about Joseph? Did anyone ever get a hold of him? Just wondering if there could maybe be a a drawing or picture or perhaps even a description of him. ?
I have said it before, I don’t understand how anyone can take a life and just never feel any remorse for what they did! As one commenter said, who ever has done this will have no other choice than to answer to God in the end.
May this family one day have the answers to 2ho committed this awful crime!
Julie and Diane (Schofield) and Lisa and Valerie…..and so many others
your lives mattered!!!
see, people like me are still reading the comments too
and want justice
My family and i lived in that area at the time. We lived on 2nd Ave N. My son was 6 at the time. He, too, was hit by a truck that was leaving DJs bar on the corner. The guy didn’t stop… My sons back was hurt , thank God not badly! But his bike was ruined and he had just gotten it.. He was scared to tell me at the time cause he thought he did something wrong. His brother told us..
I often think of Josh ! And pray that someone would come forward! Someone must know something! For real! How in Gods name can someone live with this! Knowing they did this!
I wonder if the police ever investigated these two crimes as a possible connection. If you get away with it once…
Is there any info on his life? Why was he in iowa, so far from home? Girlfriends, enemies, etc.?
The second question is whether the motorcycle has been found. Maybe, somene wanted the motorcycle in the worst way, so they got rid of him. Maybe, he missed a turn and drove into a body of water. We have a few cases of people who have driven into various lakesm rivers and canals around the country.
in my neck of the woods, a woman was murdered by her husband. Her body was recovered from the trunk of her car. The car ws dumped into the Calumet Sag Canal, in the South Suburbs of Chicago. Her husband was a Mob lawyer.
It appears that he has connections to several places in Iowa, Delaware, and Florida. It appears his mother died in April of this year. Her obituary identifies Dennis and her husband Paul G. Addlesberger as preceding her in death.
Ironic that Eileen was sleeping way downstairs yet could hear odd noises coming from Charles but never heard the gunshot. Doors locked and no sign of breaking in says that the killer was already in the house. Eileen apparently had quite a few reasons to be mad at her husband for his infidelities. After all this time, and if no more evidence is found, I feel you should charge Eileen and go with circumstantial evidence. She’s already lived 34 years beyond the incident, and with no other possible leads, what does justice have to lose?
Sylvia, this is Carol. I only wish we had the influence and authority to get people charged. Jody has reams of information, and whenever brings information to her rather than to LE (wanting to remain anonymous), she diligently forwards to the authorities all new information. She cannot make them act on a tip, so it may appear that she has done nothing with a new lead, but Jody is a journalist and a blogger, not an officer of the law.
I don’t see any information on whether he had any family members. Also, why is considered endangered. Did, he have a health condition.
I want to add to Kim’s comments about John Wayne Gacy, that a number of investigators from one of the Chicago Police Department’s Youth Divison were following him. However, because of political pressure, were told to leave him alone.
Also, comments on 2nd City Cop Blog, mentions that some of these investigators were directed to remove any infomation that related to Gacy, from their follow-up reports on missing teenagers.
There are about four teeens, that he killed, have never been identified to this day.
I agree with Margaret, that Mystery Addict, mentioned a farm, not a specific farm.
At approximately 3:30 p.m., a search team discovers a cardboard box in a ditch under a stand of juniper trees about five mouths south of Norwalk.
* needs updated to five miles south of Norwalk.
Thanks so much for catching that! Has been updated!
Annie, remember that the details listed are estimates. It could be the guy. It would be interesting if they any way to get DNA, and run it through the systems.
It says people saw somebody follow her out of the laundromat. Was there not a sketch made?
I am too young to remember my cousin Bryan, but every since I was a little girl, I would go to the cemetery with my mom, his great aunt, and put flowers on his grave. My mom never wanted us to work at a gas station due to Bryan’s murder. This was not the first time he was robbed.
I can tell you marion manley was the salt of the earth kind of guy he was a good man and I also remember as a kid Patti Loy she was a pretty blonde girl who has a lot of brothers I had heard back then that her mom was very very abusive and had issues i remember her being religious also….George Pattis brother was in my class in school,this is so sad that this murder went down and not prosecuted when the whole town of Creston knew what happened,it also breaks my heart that Reggie Moorehouse and Corrine Perry never were brought to justice I often wonder if the county doesnt was the expense of prosecuting it??
Can anyone tell me any Elaine’s other family names? I learned about this case recently when my uncle made a passing comment about a family member whose murder had never been solved – and I’m curious how (and if) we are related. My Uncle’s last name is the same as Elaine’s. This is such a tragic story – and I’m curious to learn more about it.
Jami, who is your uncle? Elaine is my great aunt. I too wish that I knew more. I only recently found out about this. My grandfather never talked about it and it seems like a sensitive subject to much of my family. My dad remembers Elaine fairly well but was away at college at the time and doesn’t know any of the details.
The article leaves out so much about “this older man”. Who was he, how they met, if he was married…
Awful 😢
Even though I didn’t get to know you Love always dad,grandpa
He was a awesome young man RIP Charles you are missed truly sorry for your loss penny 😔
Several months ago, I caught a program on obscure television channel about arson invesation. I was watching a friend’s foster daughter. They showed a house set on fire by a Florida fire department. There were two expert arson investugators there watching. After, the fire was out, they inspected and found signs that they connected with arson. Yet, they the fire was not arson.
Also, the ATF has this hugh facility, where they can reconstruct the fire. Their were certain assumptions on how certain fires can reach certain temperatures. Well, the experts were surprised when it reached that temperature faster then be expected.
So, the fire and circumstances around Jaymie’s death, need to be revisited. The newer forensic tools, may reveal something different about the point of origin.
We know that Texas, executed a guy for murders by arson. Yet, we now know, that it could not be arson, if investigated with today’s tools, and better knowledge of fires.
Ok. As a legitimate massage therapist I take offense that it is assumed that masseuse equals sex worker. I realize this profession was a little more lax back then, but let’s not assume she was anything but legitimate unless the article or somebody who actually knew her confirms that. I feel like that would be more respectful to her as the victim as well.
Her sister confirmed in an article that Diane was “a masseuse, and not the kind that works the kinks out”. Diane was found guilty of a weapons possession charge and was ordered by the court “not to work as a massuse”, implicating that the court was aware she was involved in some shady business practices.
I wonder if someone who may have worked for him, may have had a beef. The other thought was maybe someone did not want him the race of office. Maybe, he was not part of the right crowd. Like here in Illinois, the elected officials don’t go to washroom with out permission of Michael Madigan.
Also there is no mnetion of the caliber of the weapon used. I wonder if they still have the the bullet. If it was in decent shape they could run it through AFIS.
Towards the end of the Cold Justice video, the drunk guy trying to get into the car is Bret.
Bret is Rocky’s dad, Terri’s first child.
Bret had a great paying job in the Kansas City area, while her 2 children were growing fatherless. Terri never took him to court or forced him to pay child support. Which seemed odd.
Jump forward to 2013, Terri finds out he’s homeless drunk, living behind a grocery store.
He’s lost his KC wife and children, his company went bankrupt and he had nothing.
Terri was able to leave a note and find Bret again.
The guy was a monster drunk and abuser, but Terri let it go on until she was arrested.
This guy seemed to have spell on her, and the whole thing seemed odd.
Well they do say that love can be blind. It defies logic many times especially when a woman stays with a drunk & abuser. I’ve seen many people go through this and it always is crazy why they stay. Like you said maybe he had some sort of spell on her. Well all you can hope for is woman in that predicament figure out how to get away and stay away. However many don’t.
Jody, I think the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation needs to look at Ricki C. Hess, 52, as of 2017. He supposedly had two previous arrests involving children. He has lived in Evansdale and other towns in that general area.
He is also listed as a Missing Person from North Liberty, Iowa, according to the Iowa Dept. Of Public Safety. He is considered endangered/physical, for some unknown reason.
I am not saying he was involved, but he has connections to the area.
We have many cases over the years that have never been handld properly considering all the available forensic tools. But, we have missing person’s cases, where the agency tossed the reports or never took a report. So, law enforcement has a black eye in many of these cases.
However, the FBI should have been involved from the beginning. She was last seen in Illinois, and was found murdered in Missouri. They hopefully would have processed the vehicle and the crime scene.
I spent four years in the U.S. Navy, most of it on a submarine. We normally hung out together. We watched each other’s back, and made sure we got back. Also, there is a missing young man, who was staying in Dubuque, but went drinking with a friend in East Dubuque, and got ripped off. He was thrown out, without his jacket in the cold. A police officer from East Dubuque, stopped him, but let him wander off. His remains were found in the river, a few months later.
I guess it was to hard to drive him across the bridge to his hotel. He could have driven him across the bridge and passed him off to a Dubuque officer. I hope it does not say Serve & Protect on their squad cars in East Dubuque. Maybe, the authorities in Dubuque, don’t trust the police in East Dubuque. They might be good friends with these brothers. We could ask the FBI, but then they are busy, looking for the colluding Russians. They also are protecting those who took money from Putin & friends to control 20% of American unranium.
I feel for his family. But, still stick with my concerns about him being allowed to wander by himself, especially after dark. I would refer you to the Grimes sisters, whose disappearance and deaths have never been solved. Also the Petersen & Schusslers, kidnapping and murder, which took almost 40 years to solve. These cases took place in Chicago, in 1950’s. We did not have cell phones.
I was not allowed out to wander the neighborhood, even while in high school. I wandered around a bit by myself, in the U.S. Navy. But, we normally hung together to look after each other, so nothing happened to each other. But, that was the way it was on a submarine.
Not being allowed to wander your own neighborhood in high school is ludicrous unless you lived in a horrible neighborhood.
i dont think thats the problem. he was autisitic and as a parent of an autistic child they seem to gravitate towards water. someone should of been watching him more. i dont let my autistic child wander my neighborhood.
Leisure lake
If anyone has knowledge about suspicious cult activity in the Iowa City area during the fall of 1975, please post.
My heart is broken for this family. My son is 20 and on the autism spectrum and each and every day I worry about his safety and well being. He is a wanderer and our years have been filled with frustration and anxiety while trying to be vigilant as possible. Parents are only humans trying to do the best we can. Please don’t be so quick to judge until you have walked in our shoes. From a mom with a son with autism.
I remember Marie “Lisa” Peak, her tragic death, and when she was found September 7, 1976. I was a Freshman at Wartburg College in Waverly, Iowa in 1976 living in Hebron Dorm. I will never forget.
I am a Wartburg alum and knew Lisa – we were both from the same hometown as well as at Wartburg at the same time. I will never forget her or that tragic day,
and hearing what had happened. I continue to hope and pray that someday, somehow, her case will be solved.
Don, I see your frustration that this case has not been solved. But, at the time, crime scenes were not prcessed like we expect to be handled. Also, I assume this was an isolated area. It is frustrating to hear that the authorities may have lost reports, evidence, and maybe did a lousy incomplete autopsy.
It bothers me that Roger heard this guy muttering stuff in regards to the case, and never passed it along to authorities. He posts it here. Maybe, he ecpects Jody, to pass it along. So Don, if you have an investigative background go for it. But in regards too the flowers at the crime scene, remember someone would place flowers or something at the grave of Edgar Allen Poe. He also wrote the 1st crime novel.
I do agree that there are not enough details posted on some of these cases. Some of them state that there the authorites are seeking the public’s help. But, they don’t provideany details.
A few years ago, there were several burglaries in the area, wher I live. One if them was attempted a house across a busy street from my house. The alarm system scared them off. This was during the winter, and I was outside cleaning up snow neary every other day.
I saw the local police patrolling the area. None of them, stopped and asked me if I had seen anything suspicious. I was talking to the mailman about it. He told me that the policewere looking for a brown PT Cruiser with three individuals. I had to hear this from the mailman. It pissed me off, as I am a former federal police officer and detective.
This was a good friend of mine n I really wish they would reopen this case n try to solve it,I have wondered why this was never looked into again .I miss her dearly
Hi there. I stumbled across this article and found myself unable to stop thinking about it. Some things in the comments stood out to me. I have a question, not necessarily about Maureen, but victims like her in general. How often do you suppose people post on these sites claiming to be someone else? I think that would be torture for the family. I’m sorry you’ve had to endure this. Also, often times a murderer will revisit the site of a crime. These websites are obviously necessary and provide valuable resources for capturing those involved. However, I wonder if culprits of a crime ever visit these sites as a means of revisiting the crime, trying to throw an investigation off track, or some other sick purpose. In which case, have those who have commented ever had their identities and/or motivations confirmed. I realize I’m making a very intense suggestion here and apologize if I’ve overstepped any line. However, I think I speak for everybody here, it’s never a waste to exhaust every Avenue.
Margaret, some killers might revisit the scene of the crime. However, at that time period stuff was not well know.
The criminal profiling we know about today, was not something known to LE. I suggest reading the book ‘Mindhunter’ by John Douglas.
I would think the crime scene today, would be handled much better then it was. Also, hopefully the clothing being in a disarray, or whether she had shoes on or not would be better defined.
I would hope that the initial officer and others who arrived at the scene, properly documented the condition of the body, clothing, that they observed. It might differ from what the two boys seem to remember.
It’s important for initial officer to document what he or she observed upon arrival. The same for the investigators, when they arrive.
I wonder if pictures were ever taken, as we would expect today.
But, again thanks for your questions. It might trigger something someone to remember that might provide a clue.
Retired police capt. John Schweer was murdered in Council Bluffs on July 22, 1977. Two Omaha Ne males, Terry Harrington & Curtis McGhee, were convicted of this crime and sentenced to life based on the testimony of two other people (Kevin Hughes & a Miss. Pride, who happened to be dating each other.) After 25yrs of fighting for his innocence the case went all the way to the US Supreme Court. Before the big 12 in DC laid down their decision Council Bluffs reached a plea agreement with Harrington and McGhee and the were released. A mistrial was declared.
Doesn’t this make Schweer’s case unsolved?
https://www.nonpareilonline.com/news/local/council-bluffs-settles-multimillion-dollar-wrongful-imprisonment-lawsuit/article_ca41a3ec-353f-11e3-8736-0019bb2963f4.htmlhttps://www.nonpareilonline.com/news/local/council-bluffs-settles-multimillion-dollar-wrongful-imprisonment-lawsuit/article_ca41a3ec-353f-11e3-8736-0019bb2963f4.html
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-attorneys-say-iowa-detectives-framed-nebraska-men-2012nov01-story.html
There are a number of cases of adults, who have disappeared along with vehicles. Also, their vehicles were never found. There are a few cases where they were found years later, by draining a pond. A woman a year ago or more disappeared from a veterans post. Her, vehicle with her remains were found after a farmer found part of a car sticking out of a pond on his property. She probably missed a turn in the dark and drove into the pond and drowned.
However, Helen, appears to have a medical condition that bothered her emotionally, and it could have caused an onset of amnesia. I wonder if authorities ever checked with the National Insurance Crime Bureau, to see if their was any activity on the car’s VIN.
The problem in bodies of water, is a search tool that is easier to use and gives an indcation that something is there. There are only a few agencies that will spend the money to bring in someone with a boat equipped with side scanning sonar.
Alvin Beets Jr. just died. The obit says that Alvernia Beets Franklin is still alive. It reads:
Alvin R. ‘Stone’ Beets Jr.
August 21, 1949 – July 12, 2018
Alvin R. “Stone” Beets Jr., 68, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, passed away Thursday, July 12, 2018, at Mercy Medical Center, Cedar Rapids.
Services will be 11 a.m. Saturday, July 21, 2018, at Gospel Tabernacle Church, Cedar Rapids. Pastor Jackie Horton and Pastor Anthony Smith will officiate. Inurnment will be at a later date at Linwood Cemetery, Cedar Rapids.
Alvin was born Aug. 21, 1949, in Kokomo, Indiana, the son of Alvin R. Beets Sr. and Lucy Margaret (Young) Snow. He graduated from Kokomo High School and served in the U.S. Army during the Vietnam War. He married Jacquelynn Ballew on Oct. 1, 1994, in Cedar Rapids.
Alvin was a syrup system operator at Quaker Oats for 33 years before he retired. He loved going out to eat, playing golf, watching westerns and Judge Judy. His quick wit and sassy sense of humor always got a lot of laughs. Alvin loved spending time with his children, grandchildren and extended family and close friends.
Alvin is survived by his wife and companion of 38 years, Jacquelynn, Cedar Rapids; children, Reba, Daylene, (Keever), of Fort Worth, Texas, Luther, Lester “G”, Paris, LaRhonda (Dillion), Isaiah (Ranee); 15 grandchildren; five great-grandchildren; sisters, Carolyn S. Bell, Kokomo, Indiana, and Rose Merry Thomas, Iowa City; brothers, Richard R. Beets and Oscar Snow Jr., both of Kokomo; a special aunt, Alvernia Franklin “Aunt Berna”; and lots of special nieces, nephews and cousins.
He was preceded in death by his father, Alvin R. Beets Sr.; mother, Lucy Margaret (Young) Snow; son, Rolondo; daughter, Jacqueline (Johnny).
The sister of Wendell Beets who allegedly was involved in the Paula Oberbrockling case was Alvernia Beets Franklin.
I found a newspaper article from 1967 showing he and Janis Louise Fish, age 18 of Story City, had applied for a marriage license.
I found other newspaper articles. In 1955 he was in a piano recital. He was admitted to hospital in Story City in 1962. He won half a beef in a raffle in 1968. He had drunk driving convictions in 1966 and 1968, and driving after revocation in 1964 and again in 1968. He had a public intox in 1970, and then nothing in the papers after that.
I can’t find anything about who his parents are.
Anon, thanks for the information from the newspapers. It shows he had a drinking problem, which could have led to medical problems down the road. I will have to run him through Ancestry and see if they have anything more on family.
Also, Anon, you do some great detailed research, from some of your comments on ther cases. You would make a great investigator digging for the facts, and other material.
Anon, I checked Mr. Westwick on-line and found that according to the The Charley Project Blog, he had epilepsy, and lived with his parents.
Ancestry, does not show much, however, it has two Find A Grave entries for him.. One shows a picture of the stone in Rose Grove Cemetery, in Williams, Iowa, with a date of birth of October 26, 1945. Also they have the date he was last seen on it. The second entry does not have a picture, but mentions the 1944 year of birth. There is no body.
Also, there is an entry from the Iowa Consecutive Register of Convicts 1867-1970. It shows he was sentenced to Anamosa Men’s Reformatory, for one year on June 3, 1965. He arrived there on June 9, 1966. He was released on February 19, 1967. The prison record shows his date of birth as October 26, 1944.
I did not find any marriage record entry for him. However, there is ton of stuff on Ancestry. There is a lot of stuff not on there. Since, he was born in 1944, there would be no census record. There was no address record entries for him. Which seemed odd.
I tried to search Janis L. Fish, but did not have her age, or year of birth.
So, we are back to square one. It would be interesting if we had more details, on where he was last seen.
Another murder should be on Story County’s list. In November, 1965, 18 Month Old Kenneth Eugene Clapp was murdered in the home of Mr. and Mrs. Ronald E. Quillen of rural Story City. The newspaper article reads:
No Charges in Death of Baby NEVADA—Story County officials
have decided no charges will be filed in connection with
the death of Kevin Clapp, 18 months, son of Mr. and Mrs.
Harold Clapp of Des Moines.
The child died early Thursday morning at Blank Memorial
Hospital in Des Moines of head injuries. He was being cared
for by Mr. and Mrs. Ronald E. Quillen of rural Story City.
The Polk County medical examiner’s office said an autopsy
showed the child died of brain damage and noted the body also
had a number of bruises.
Ambulance attendants had been told the baby fell from a high chair.
Strange how kids never die from falls from high chairs in this day and age but we instead prosecute their caretakers for homicide…
There is also the murder of Deborah Dawn Sadler of Waterloo, age 17 months, whose head was bashed in back in 1965. Of course the authorities had their heads in the sand and pretended it was an accident. Funny how kids no longer die from falls from chairs.
Here is the story from the Waterloo Daily Courier (Waterloo, Iowa), 2 December 1965, pg 1, 2:
Child’s Death is Probed
Police Thursday afternoon continued their investigation of the death of a 17-month-old girl.
Deborah Dawn Sadler, of 1009 Bluff St., died at 7:10 p.m. Wednesday at Allen Memorial Hospital.
According to Dr. Paul T. O’Keefe, county medical examiner, the girl died of a massive brain hemorrhage which could have been caused by a fall or a blow on the head.
Dr. O’Keefe said he tentatively has ruled the death as accidental.
Says Fell from Chair
Police said the girl’s mother, Mrs. Lorraine Sadler, told them the baby fell from a chair Wednesday morning and hit her head.
She said the baby was unconscious after the fall and that she took her to the hospital.
Police, who said Thursday morning they had no evidence of foul play, intended to continue their investigation during the afternoon.
There are no other children in the family.
Services Friday
Funeral services for Deborah are planned at 2 p.m. Friday at Bethel United Presbyterian church. The Rev. Earl D. McCrae, pastor, will officiate.
The casket, which will be taken from the Kearns-Dykeman Chapel to the church at 12:30 p.m., will not be opened at any time.
Born in Waterloo
The girl was born here July 9, 1964, daughter of Charles and Lorraine Spiering Sadler.
Surviving besides the parents are the maternal grandparents, Dr. and Mrs. Robert C. Spiering, 911 W. 2nd St.; the maternal great-grandmothers, Mrs. Claire Lowe, Casper, Wyo., and Mrs. Matilda Kolashefsky, Madison, S.D., and the paternal great-grandparents, Mr. and Mrs. Irving Sadler, Jacksonville, Wis.
Well, if you are going to kill or neglect your baby, having a Doctor as your father may certainly help getting some strings pulled with the ME. Especially in a small rural city.
WHERE EVERYBODY AT ?
What is the status of Ben Steffe’s murder case in Sioux City, Ia.?
Seven years with no publicly known advancements in this case makes me ill. What happened to Kay and Bill broke my heart from its beginning 7 years ago and still does. I cannot imagine Kay’s terror and that horror remains because my age and gender are so similar. I have had this case on Google email alerts for years so that I stayed updated on developments.
The long silence on this case is frustrating because we don’t know if stems from the beginnings of investigative policy to not share information, or if it is from a total lack of leads. Then there is a trend that my mind is conflicted about: our society’s lack of regard for the elderly. As an example, I was angered during this last winter’s flu epidemic that states and the CDC did not track hospitalizations and death rates among the elderly. My mind struggles with the seeming societal logic of that and a personal belief in each person’s value regardless of age. The length of time Bill and Kay’s family waited for autopsy results was among the initial aspects of this case that was appalling to me.
I have tried on several occasions to bring some light on this case; most recently with a YouTube channel that focuses on cold cases. That channel has 354,000 subscribers, but it again seems to not see merit in Kay and Bill’s case.
To the family, and those who loved Kay and Bill, my heart and prayers remain with you.
Helen you have no idea how much your statement means to me.. Thank you from me and my family for remembering and keeping them alive . Closure is all we ask for. People keeping this case alive instead of dead with thier file. From the bottom
of my heart thank you!!
Melonie. Wood
♥
Thank you Helen
It seems odd, that she does not have dementia, but without medication, she becomes confused and depressed. I wonder why she was in a nursing home. Also, where did she live prior to being admitted. Also, how far away is the Iowa River, from where the nursing home is.
Was, there any strange or odd behavior before she disappeared. She could have amnesia, and not have recgnized the nursing home. It might have seemrd strange to her, and fled before getting in trouble.
I was wondering how far away is the Iowa River, either from the town, or the nursing home. Also, what is the reputation of the home. Also, what amount f searching was done at the time. Also, the alias last names, are a concern, unless they are her maiden name, and she was married and then divorced.
She could have been found, but being confused about her identity. A woman missing from Sullivan County, in New York for a bunch of years was found alive in a Lowell, Mass, nursing home.
it appears that the remains of a woman, that matched her description were found by NYSP. They contacted the sheriff’s police. They dug up their case file, and rechecked her SSN, and found a woman in the nursing home, with a different name but the same SSN.
They visited her and showed the picture in their files and recognized herself. So, how many other cases out there could be cleared by the search of SS records.
I searched Peggy Ann Cottrell on Ancestry. I found that she was born Peggy Ann Rowen in Union Township, Iowa in Hardin County. She was Peggy Ann Rowen, on June 1951, then Peggy Ann Dickenson, July 1955, and Peggy Ann Cottrell, on September 1970, according to her Social Security Application and Claims.
I did not find any records of any marriages, or divorces. She had an older brother Larry J. Rowen, and two younger sisters, Marjorie Mae Rowen and Ruth Carola Rowen.
There was an address of 840 11th Street, in Des Moines, Iowa, in 1954, for a Peggy A. Rowen. Also, an address in 1993 of 321 7th Street, West Des Moines, Iowa. No age of year of birth was connected to this last address.
However, there was an entry for a Peggy & Roy Dickenson, of 2017 Grant, in Davenport, Iowa. This appears to be a business address in 1960. Not sure if this is her.
She might have lived in Des Moines and West Des Moines, while working a the IVH according to Rosemary.
Jaw bone found today in Iowa River
Theresa, I agree with your question about the caliber of the weapon. It appears the dogs did not pick up the odor of someone in the area. Also, about the dogs, one comes in the front and the other goes to the back door. I wonder if they normally came in at that time.
The information on the home is somewhat confusing. They owned the farm for years. Yet, they just purchased the house and only had lived there a month. So where did they live before this house.
I agree someone might have been upset at him, in regards to his involvement in the soil or water commissions.
We have no information to show if he had any family. Did, he ride his motorycle a lot. If so, did he have a certain area, who route he took. Also, was his cell phone ever pinged by law enforcement. Also, did they review his phone records to see who he normally talked to.
I think the jury and Mitchell’s attorney owes her family an apology. Also, that judge that lowered his bail, so that his mother could bail him out, is responsible for him being out on the street. She, would still be alive, and her son would be still be alive.
If she was a family member, I would sue Mitchell’s attorney, for defamation of her character. He accused of being involved in drug activity, yet he provides no proof, or evidence to back it up.
He must be proud of himself, letting a career criminal get away of murder. At least the feds got involved.
It makes me wonder, if the offender knew that Mr. Bates was working that night. He wasn’t supposed to work that night. So, if this was connected with the confrontation, then how would know Bates was working.
Also, was the confrontation caught on tape. Also, when did this confrontation take place in relation to the shooting. Also, he mentions it to a family member, but not the management.
It would be interesting to see if their are any people who lived in the area, who have caused problems at the store over the years. Also, were their any complaints made to corporate about this partcular store. If, yes, these people need to be interviewed, who knows they might identify a person of interest.
UPDATE:
Quoting Luke Nozicka and Stephen Gruber-Miller, Des Moines Register Published 4:11 p.m. CT Aug. 16, 2018 | Updated 4:33 p.m. CT Aug. 16, 2018
Authorities announced at a news conference that the remains were spotted by kayakers in Wolf Creek, which flows through La Porte City.
La Porte City Police Chief Chris Brecher said it could take “up to a couple weeks” to get DNA results from the remains that were found in rural La Porte City. He declined to give the exact area.
When asked whether the remains could be those of Wilson, Brecher said: “With what we have found it’s consistent of what we’re looking for.”
“We’re not in a position right now to make comment on any possibility of foul play,” Brecher said.
Since the remains were found, authorities have been working to clear the area to hopefully locate more definitive evidence.
… In previous news conferences, investigators indicated they found no information to suggest a crime was committed in Wilson’s disappearance, though police had not ruled out the possibility of an abduction.
… In the months after Wilson’s disappearance, authorities echoed words officials told the public since the beginning: “We can’t rule anything out.”
More at:
Human remains found during search for missing autistic Iowa teen Jake Wilson, authorities say https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2018/08/16/jake-wilson-missing-autistic-iowa-child-boy-la-porte-city-black-hawk/1011290002/?from=new-cookie via @DMRegister
Andrea, I agree with your comments, especially if has the intellectual level of a 9 year old. As a kid, I had to be home when it got dark. Yet, with his background his family lets him wander off at 9 p.m.
Someone in his family should have said no or went with him. I have problems with these cases. He could have been taken by someone, who could manipulate him, for their own perverted needs
He is a diabetic and disabled. Yet, he was out drinking with a supposed fishing buddy. I am missing something. He could have a problems mixing alcohol and his medications. This could cause serious problems, which could have led to him doing wandering off.
Is there a way to get Mikey’s real name. Then we send him for an extended vacation in Gitmo. Then we can tell his new roomates, that he disrespected their religion and the Koran. He will then be willing to tell the truth.
A few nights ago, I came across a history of the Ohio Fish Market. It was an interesting story. However, the article mentioned that three homicides took place at the place. One of victims was identified as Johnny Joe Shields. It did not provide any details on how he supposedly died. Yet, the details appear to show that Mr. Shields, disapppeared from home, and not from work.
Also, someone with the same last name was born in Nebraska in 1938, and lived in Carter Lake, also in Bettendorf, Iowa, and Port Byron, Illinois. He died in Carter Lake, sometime after his namesake disappeared. I wonder if this was his father. Since, he was living with his mother.
Yes it was his father.
Prayers to you Penny and your family and friends in your search for justice for your son.
Iowa version of “Easy Rider”. Did they stop in Newton?
I hate to ask the question. But how was Harlan killed. Was he stabbed, shot, strangled, run over by a car, truck, bus or train.
It makes me wonder, are they sure he us dead. It appears from this small bit of information, that they never conducted an investigation.
It appears they took someone’s word that he was dead and that someone killed him. Case closed.
They want the public’s to do the job, that it appears didn,t do. I wonder how they determined he was slain. There is no mention of an autopsy, to back up the statement, he was slain.
Is the work of a modern day police department in the State of Iowa. If this is the kind of work rhey do. I would ask for my tax money back.
Can you please tell me where the article is that talks about the circumstances of his death. I notice you have more information than I am reading here. Thank you!
A story that’s available on newspapers.com said that he had an abdominal stab wound that did not correspond to anything found in his house.
I am somewhat confused about this case. Ms. Payano is living in a house with Mr. Burgs, but her boyfriend is Ralph Jordan, unknown age. Where did he live in relation to the crime scene.
Also, the house was owned by Mr. Quinn’s father. He supposedly had rented the place out to Jordan’s ex-wife. It makes me wonder when she lived there before the crime took place. Then her boyfriend Ralph has go to jail in California for unspecified crimes.
He left L.A. supposedly it was to fast paced. Well, maybe some of former friends might have been looking for him. Also, authorities recovered two weapons and ammo from a car with California license plates. Who did the car belong to.
I like the part, that he developed some names of possible suspects in his shooting. However, they are in prison for other crimes. Well, what were these other crimes, Also, did he know if these crimes involve the use of weapons.
Also, what type of truck did he have that attracted them. Was the truck registered to him, or did have dealer plates, like some vehicles used by salesmen by car dealers here in Illinois.
No money budgeted for cold cases, so criminals roam free. That’s worse than corporations not funding R&D (Research and Development), then having no new tech to bring to the table when it’s time to bid on a contract. The money wasted on so many pork-barrel projects or more weapons of mass destruction could be dedicated to apprehending murderers lurking in our small towns and cities, killing and getting away with murder.
We need new blood in political offices!
I was wondering if their any traumatic events that took place in his family or friends before he disappeared.
I wonder if was dealing with any type of stress connected with his job. Also, were there any noticeable changes in his demearnor in the days before he disappeared.
Why did someone mention Julie Anne DaBillo in the thread below? Who is she and what does she have to do with this case? Who is the crazy old black prostitute lady around these parts in Iowa? Somebody knows.
Hmmm, I don’t know why Jennifer mentioned my name here. Maybe she thought it would tag me and I’d read all this? I knew Angie way back back and also were in the Facility together. She said I looked like her Mom but Angie and I were about the same age but seeing the photo here of her Mom, I understand why she said that. Anyway, she was an incredibly funny and sweet girl that had a wild spirit and beautiful singing voice. I think of her every year that she’s gone. Her loss to the people who knew her is huge and I doubt I’ll ever meet another like her..
Not a lot of investigative details for some reason. I guess the police don’t have or found anything of use. I guess he was loved by the whole world.
We don’t know if he worked, was extremely wealthy. Was he was married or divorced. I guess they closed the case, since he is deceased.
Maybe, the police are holding back some details to prevent someone claiming they killed him, while not being involved. I guess after 46 years you have to prevent that from happening.
Divorce announcement April 5, 1968 from Marilyn Jean McConnell, but they were still married at the time of his death (hmmm). They had no children. He died Wed., July 7, not on the same day as the fire. He was a welder at Fruehauf Trailer. His father lived in West Virginia. I posted the July 9, 1971 DM Tribune story on FindAGrave.
His mother (not father) lived in W. VA.
He separated from his wife earlier that week & had been threatened. See June 26, 1971 article on FindAGrave.
Aug. 3, 1968, TRIB, he or his father, also Ross, held at gunpoint in a robbery at the Hotel Kirkwood.
He went to Phillips Elem. School.
Sept. 25, 1957 TRIB, found innocent of an OWI south of Indianola.
July 23, 1969, TRIB, while welding at Fruehauf, gasoline fumes caused a fire.
Dec. 3, 1952, TRIB, attacked his former father-in-law with an axe, accused him of causing the divorce from Enid Eleanor, the daughter of C C Downey, paroled from a year at Anamosa.
His parents divorced in 1935, when he was 12.
His father was from Mexico & advertised he sold the ‘best hot tamales this side of Mexico’ in 1941.
Patricia, thanks for the information. I wonder if he suffered from what we now call PTSD. It appears that he was married and divorced twice,
The last set of details provide some interesting details. However, nothing stands out as pointing to someone or a reason, for his being attacked in a way. It would be nice to know if law enforcement has any information in regards to the alleged threat, or what it was related to.
Also, I wonder if any of his co-workers were ever interviewed. The threat could have been work related, maybe a labor/management issues. We know that Organized Crime was involved with many labor unions years ago.
Patricia, thanks so much for sharing the photos & newspaper articles. I’ve updated Ross’s page to reflect the additional info about his case.
Patrick, these case summary pages are always works in progress. When the Des Moines PD first sent me their list of unsolved homicides a decade ago (included the case #, victim’s name, date of crime and location), it was important to me to get the victims’ names added to the website so they were at least “acknowledged” as being unsolved cases. The DMPD’s list, like other LE agencies, includes just the basics, and the date is always the date the crime took place.
There are far more publicly available newspaper archives available today than back when we launched in 2005 (those are checked when anniversary dates roll around as we continually add new cases), but just because a case here may not include every answer to every conceivable question one might ask (there are always more questions than answers) it by no means indicates that investigators didn’t do their job(s).
One of the primary reasons cases don’t get solved is because witnesses or those with knowledge about a crime refuse to cooperate with investigators. “We’re not going to do your job for you,” John Q. Public says, oblivious to the fact that “interviewing witnesses and getting those statements” is part of any investigators’ “job” and often plays a tremendous role in whether a case gets solved or goes cold.
But please, do not confuse the amount of details on any given case summary here with how hard the respective investigators worked the case.
What about Mary Lou Cooper August 8th 1978? Obviously a cold case. I gave the Polk county sheriff’s office my DNA to rule out my father who was a suspect over 2 years ago and no results yet and the case is not listed. Her and her children deserve justice.
What a tragedy. Her son gets murdered and then his mother takes her life. I wonder if the break in was tied to his murder. Burglars will break into a home when the family is attending the funeral. But this break in takes place within a short time after his body is found.
Also, the victim is stabbed and dragged out of the apartment, and his roommate hears nothing. Did someone else share that room prior to the victim. There was a reason for his murder, or the wrong guy ws murdered.
I like that authorities have no motive for his murder, but his wallet is missing. It could be that he was killed for his wallet. Also, did he normally hang out at this restaurant. How much money did he have in his wallet.
He had a skull fracture. The other question was their any sign of a struggle. Also, what side of the head. This case needs to be relooked at with today’s investigative standards
He had other cash on him when they found him. That makes me question whether or not it was just a robbery.
I believe they stated that because he had other cash on him when his body was discovered.
It appears that we have identified several persons of interest in these Des Moines disappearances. It appears no one connected the dots, but then crime pattern analysis was not as advvsanced as it should have been.
I think the feds should be looking at these cases, instead of spying on political candidates that were running against the Clinton’s. They could interview the circulation manager and do a work up on Mr Matice.
I agree that Mr. Matice would not have geen cured of his problem, after one arrest.
I did some searching on Mr. Roger Dean Matice, and found the newspaper articles and press release for his arrest in 2013.
What appears interesting is that he filed a federal law suit against an unnamed defendant in U.S. District Court in the Northern District of Iowa, Cedar Rapids Division in April 2017. It was dismissed in August 2017.
The other nice part is that he is supposedly living in Westmont, Illinois. Westmont is located, n the Western suburbs of Chicago. It’s about a 40 to 50 minute drive from me.
I did not find anything to show that he was convicted for the child pornography charge.
Real nice.
Marc Allen is not connected with Gosch and Martin, unless you consider Sam Soda. Everything that happened in Des Moines was perpetrated by locals, not Matice or anyone from Omaha, including Bonacci.
I really hope you didn’t make up your name because if you did that is sick
Agree totally
Wrong, soda lived right behind Marc and was hired by mattice for all three who was paid by reza kargar dezah, who lived and worked within blocks of the Gosch house and Johnny had been picked out in person by reza and the police have always known all of this.
The other dstion who is the father of her three kids. Also, who was watching them while she was off visiting her family in Florida. She should have brought them wirh her to visit her family. Since, her property was tossed from where ever she was living and they were thrown in foster care.
Merlyn, if I had the time to dig through law enforcement records, it might produce some names to research. I used to dig through government property records while working as a detective at a VA hospital in Chicago. This was the different deartments could not find equipment during their annual inventory. Our medical research service was the worst, but kept great records.
The other question was this visit to Florida planned in advance. Did her family know she was coming. Also, you would think that she talked with her family and they would be in the loop on some of her supposed friends.
Also, how did she end up in Waterloo, Iowa. Her family should have gotten her to move to Florida, so that she be closer to them. I guess we need to know more details on the family dynamics. Especially in Waterloo.
I will try to answer your questions Patrick and Merlyn. 1. We did not know that she was on her way here. 2. The girl she brought here was unknown to us since she was living in Iowa. 3. I never saw the car that she came down in. She stopped here to borrow money for a bus ticket back to Iowa. If she got on a bus we so not know. She was missing more then 10 days before we knew she didn’t make it back to Waterloo. 4. Viola did not have a car. 5. We had no idea whose car or who the friend she was helping name.
6.The fathers of the children were not involved in the kids lives. The state of Iowa tried to find the father and could not. 7. Waterloo police never investigated nor did the state of Iowa. 8. When we went to Iowa to get the kids we went to where she was living at the time she disappeared and noone was around to give us info. It took over 3 months for the state of Iowa to allow us to pick up her children There is so much more. The Daytona Beach police could case unit (1 guy) has been working with me to find the original police report and who knows maybe something will come of it. Any more questions? I am taking care of my one and 6 year old grandchildren so sometimes it takes a while to answer.
Also Patrick my sister liked living in Waterloo. She was 28 years old. Also I have tried all the agency’s and only one ever had any info. Most told me the records no longer existed. Waterloo pd are the only one that ever found anything and that took a while but they did it.
Betti, thanks for the updated information. So, maybe we will have to see if the Waterloo Police will let someone dig through their records. I would think that this supposed friend who had an abusive boyfriend or husband would have called the police on him.
That information might be actually found in dispatch records for say several months up to a year before the trip. The information would provide a name of the complainant and possibly a name of the abuser. It might only provide an address. This woman most likely has family in the area.
The other thought, would be to contact the local media and see if they would run a story about your sisters disappearance. Then they would ask anyone who might know who the person who she traveled with. They would be asked to call someone in the family or post something to a Facebook page.
I did a little research on Ancestry, and found four different family trees, two of them show a date of birth of April 22, 1938 and two of them with April 22, 1937. I found that his father married his mother on June 17, 1937, according to the Iowa State Department f Health record which was signed by the pastor of St, Mary’s Church, in Dubuque. A 1940 Census record shows him as being 2, when it was enumerated on May 13, 1940.
Also, he served in the U.S. Air Force sometime around 1959. Also his father Anthony Hubert Hoerstman died on October 19, 1981. His mother passd away a few years earlier. Also, Theodore had a brother William Patrick Hoerstman, who was born in 1945. He died in 2017. Their was a reference to him on a Family Tree, but no name was mentioned.
So, I wonder if he was still grieving his father’s death. One Family Tree pisting showed a number of pictures. None of them had his brother in them. It could have been the age difference. He would have been sx years older.
I think the authorities need to verify his date of birth. But, then he considered deceased, so why would the Dubuque Police Department make the effort. It would be interesting to find out what his disability was.
I wonder what his relationship was with his younger brother. I found it interesting that his brother was not mentioned in any time lines listed on the four family trees that were posted on Ancestry.
Maybe, I might call NamUs and pass it along to them about the age situation.
I agree with anon. Did L.E investigate Curtis Padgett indepth? Like search his car for evidence of foul play towards Erin? What clothes was Curtis wearing at the time and did he have any scratches or cuts on him around that time? What about Erin’s friend Brit, that Curtis supposedly dropped Erin off at. Did Brit ever come forward to confirm or deny such events took place? Did they actually have plans and either party backed out? I wish L.E would release more info, without jeopardizing the case.
Why wouldn’t the local or state question the father (the last person to see him)? Seems they really bungled this case. I wonder if Ian was able to contact his father. I hope Ian is okay. Ian, please give us an update.
I get emails regarding updates. Yeah, we’re definitely finding that the locals do not want us here.
From two large male vigilantes coming into our back yard to bitch about something we later learned waany illegal (burning sticks) to a couple two houses down doing the same thing (complaining about us shooting off parachute fireworks for our child) again, later learned it’s not illegal in town.
Apparently, it’s just illegal for us to do it.
Then during ragbrai that same couple refused to walk on the sidewalk in our front yard. I guess they would rather walk in the wet grass 🤷🏼♀️ When I told them they could walk on the sidewalk they both just scowled at us. This is THE most unfriendly place I’ve ever lived.
And whenever I do try to talk to the locals they ask where we live and apparently there is a whole story about the couple that used to live here.
It’s like, all they have to do is talk shit about everyone 🤦♀️
And they all did their rude, uncalled for bullshit in the presence of our child. Do they have no conscience, social skills, filter, etc etc? 🙄
They’re not all bad…
Our neighbor is like our family. She’s so sweet, classy, and educated and doesn’t fit in-kind of like us.
i mean, our daughter isn’t even going to the Keota school this year. We’ve opted to drive her to Kalona every day instead.
We’re outcasts here and we’re both fed up.
We didn’t pay much for the house so we won’t be out much if we sell at a loss.
Sorry, these people are too weird for me.
We’re getting out of here!! 🙂
I lived in Cresco, Iowa and was made to feel like we were unwelcome. Nobody but our neighbors across the road welcomed us. I hated living there and when we moved to my hometown in SD, I swore I would say hello to any stranger. People who were to do remodeling for us ripped us off and refused to take my calls regarding getting any money back. So Iowa left a bad taste in my memories.
Keota is and was a shit hope. I grew up there and left as soon as I could. It’s gotten way worse over the years. The town has no money but the people that live there refuse to let it just die. Leaving was the greatest thing I ever could have done. In regards to Aaron I’m not surprised in the least that he went missing or the amount of time that went by with people doing nothing about it. It’s all about your last name in Keota not who you actually are as a person. If your last name was Greiner, Sieren, or Flander you better believe you would have been found within the hour with the whole state looking for you. ✌️
I agree about Keota! I was assaulted in high school, but I kept it to myself because of the he said/she said crap. I knew better. I watched students be tormented in the high school (they would put one kids head in the toilet), I know the gal that says Keota is her beloved town in this post. She was a few years younger than me in school. Obviously she married into a connected family, so her experiences are different. I never even heard of this case before. It couldn’t have been in the local paper more than once. Obviously Aaron was from a broken family and it seems people don’t think much of his mother. Hence, why the police aren’t interested. Most of the people in Keota sit around and drink beer and root for the Hawkeyes, though few of them actually went to college. I wouldn’t move my family there if you paid me!
I am somewhat confused about her disappearance. She travels with some unidentified person or persons supposedly to Florida. She supposedly returns to Waterloo, Iowa. The dumb question, is who car was being used. Was she using her car. Also where did this supposed argument take place.
Also would the alleged abusive husband have reported his wife or girlfriend missing. A search of police reports from the Waterloo, Iowa area, might identify a possible victim, if she ever called the police on him. Also, if she received medical treatment at a medical facility in the area. These steps very labor intensive might provide a name of the abused woman.
Also, you would think she would have come forward after all these years and tell her version of what took place on the trip. Also, where and when the argument took place.
Also, if you were driving from Waterloo to Daytona Beach, Florida, which way would you go. This might be something someone could research. Did they drive straight thru or make any stops along the way.
Patrick, I’ve wondered the se things! I would think that the first thing you’d do is track down the people she was traveling with and interview them.
I was wondering the same Patrick! Seems like a lot of stuff has been skipped over. The woman on NamUs that some one posted in the feed here.. Could be her.. Like does any of this woman’s discrption fit Vivian’s?
Meant Viola
It does not explain how he was dsabled. Also no information, on the details of his disappearance. When, Where, Why, Who, and How, of his disappearance. This is the basics of police work. I assume the police department know this.
There should be something in the FBI files about her. Also, I would xpect that they would have someone who infiltrated the group. When, I was in the Army Reserve, some members were federal agents. They said that a number of people who attended meetings of a local Nazi group, were federal agents keeping tabs in their activities.
So, Who knows what might be buried in their records in the archives. Since, she had been interviewed by them. They would be interested in her disappearance. Plus, they should have the names of those involved with the group from that time period and where they lived.
Who knows what they might find, if they tracked down the surviving members from that time period.
There are two people interviewed who have an idea of who it was. One person stated that a former classmate confessed years later, saying it was an uncle and that the whole family knew and covered it up. I am perplexed. Was this reported? Any kind of follow up? Why would you keep that to yourself?
If he has the intellectual level of a 9-yr-old, why was he allowed to go out alone at 9pm? Wasn’t it dark and cold out? Just wondering if this was something he was normally allowed to do.
I truly hope he is found unharmed.
Whatever happened to the Smiths?
One of those boys was her son n his long time best friend! Her son surely wouldn’t of killed his own mother n I know for sure his poor now deceased best friend wouldn’t have neither! Those boys wouldn’t have heard anything if they were asleep downstairs w the door shut n she was upstairs on the couch being strangled while asleep. Because if she wasn’t she would of fought back that’s for damn sure n there would of been defense wounds on both her n Scott! So think about it! I’ve known this family all my life n have witnessed Scott beat her up! So I know what that drunk ass meth head woman beater killer is all about n is capable of doing! I heard there was a witness that seen them the night before fighting in the laundry room n he was trying to drown her in a sink in there. Did anyone follow that up??? Also of course his prints would be in n around her home bc he lived there w her! So that throws off the investigation. So he pretty much committed the perfect murder however everyone knows he did it n is guilty they just need witnesses n evidence! So if anyone has any information they need to come forward not come on here w bullcrap n hating on Alisia!
Did Mr Johnson, have any family? Also did he have any medical issues. Also, there is no mention of him having a vehicle. I hate when there are few details.
I searched him on Ancestry, and found that John Thomas Johnson, was born on October 23, 1925 in Columbus, Ohio. This is according to his State of Iowa WW II veteran bonus. He served in the U.S. Marines Corps from October 8, 1943 until March 9, 1946. It does not mention what unit or division he was attached to.
I could not find a marriage record. I assume he may have used the VA for his medical care. However, there is a SS Death Index entry showing he died on March 15. 1998. Someone did not wait long in my book. His last residence was Des Moines, Iowa.
Yes. My grandpa had a lot of family. I Am one of many kids. John Thomas Jr Johnson was my dad. He died in August of 2008 from kidney failure. I have 7 other siblings. I don’t know about the vehicle thing. My mom left my dad when I was 1 because my dad John Thomas Jr, was very abusive mentally and physically. My grandpa John Thomas sr had very bad mental issues. He had schizophrenia. John my dad had a very rough childhood. I have an uncle, Jerome, David and a aunt christianna and Roseanne.
I think that investigators have a decent case, they can try and get prosecutors to file homicide charges without a body. The FBI has a program on this. Also, it’s interesting that his vehicle was found on the east bound lanes, when he should have been going West. Also, they find any fingerprints other then his.
Since he worked at the arsenal, his fingerprints would be on file. As a former federal government employee and retired military, I have been fingerprinted a number of times.
So with the news of Billy Lewis being identified and Larry Eyler being the person who took his life; would I be silly to think some of these missing cases of young men in Iowa we’re linked?
You need to look at the redinbo family, their story and alibi are questionable, I lived 2 houses from them and when I heard the shot their cars were present in the drive way as I could see them from my bedroom, the redinbo family was home when Eric was shot and killed!
I would also like to add that I questioned the daughter Bambi 3 days ago with that I said in this comment and she immediately blocked me from facebook……I liked this family but all fingers point to them….I know what I saw
Anthony Gibbs, you are full of dog caca. I am Bambi’s Aunt and I am the only REDINBO besides Eric that was in Keokuk or the surrounding area when Eric died, in fact we weren’t even aware he was here, his mother and sisters were living in Ohio at the time. Do you enjoy causing them more grieve and pain than they are already suffering? Murder and not knowing the true circumstances is hard enough. All fingers do not point to any Redinbo’s and I wasn’t even there. So knock off your bullsh*t!!!
Eric’s parents were home when the shotgun went off because I lived in the neighborhood and I saw their cars after I heard the shot they lied to the police because I know what I saw
OH YES YOU WERE I SAW YOU LIAR!!! And am going to the police with what I know ERIC DESERVES JUSTICE AND YOUR HIDING SOMETHING!!!
I never said it was a Redinbow I said it was the family Eric Redinbow was living with they are lying to the police and they have been for almost 30 years don’t you think it’s time for the secrets to stop what are you trying to hide
FYI – They didn’t live in Iowa when this happened. I don’t know who you are but you are full of it and since you think you ‘know’ so much maybe YOU should be questioned!!! You are a sick individual!
You stupid SOB you need to remove this crap you contacted my daughter you didn’t even know my sons name or where it happened you contacted my daughter Bambi trying to hook up with her when she turned you down saying she was happily married you got mad and weird as you are , I am Eric’s mother we lived in Ohio when this happened my pain never goes away do you think myself or any family member appreciates this … just makes all our pain resurface again , myself or any family member had nothing to do with this what so ever, you said you seen our cars in our driveway never ever had a damn driveway, when you met my daughter and hung out with my daughter was when we moved back to keokuk after my son was killed… I’m contacting keokuk police dept and going to file charges against you…so just keep it up
You worthless pod leave my family alone it’s hard enough they have to deal with a loved lost one he was my nephew so shut your fuvking mouth
Hey Anthony,
I am assuming that you believed the Redinbo to live in the house that Eric was killed in. It wasn’t the Redinbo’s that lived there, it was the Anderson family and Eric hung out there quite a bit.
You said you saw the vehicles in the driveway when you heard the gun. Can you remember what those vehicles looked like? Did you ever report this to the police?
Yo Anthony dude you really need to shut your fucking pie hole before somebody shuts it for you permanently my sister didn’t kill her kid you god damn dumb fuck
Yeah she did and the proof is coming out!!
I am frustrated that someone with that diagnosis was still driving. He puts himself and others at risk. He been missing since 2013, and presumed deceased. He should have been monitored more closely.
I think there would be some forensic material on the blanket. Also, why leave the body outside a bowling alley. I wonder if she hung out there or was seeing someone connected to the place. There is no mention of her being employed. Maybe, she had a conflict with someone at work, or someone was stalking her.
What is your point about the minors , they missed school often , and one of them is dead commitmented suicide he hung his self !
I watch this every time someone makes a comment , were ready for his ass to be prosecuted for first-degree murder on my mother, Scott Macy is a killer walking the streets smoking meth with his mother every day and he is FREE Still …. Sickening !!!
No point. I just remember them being home. Remember I lived next door.
Yes, Alisia. No point. I just remember ! lived next door you know. Yep the boys did stay home sometimes on school days. They were there when I visited.
Then why say mystery?
wild stuff, i hope everyone comes home safe!!
I wonder if either of these two cases were entered into the FBI’s VICAP system. I would think the young M/W, probably committed similar crimes somewhere else. Also do we the type and caliber of the weapon used in these two murders.
Wow I cant believe the audacity of state officials and poor judicial policy
There should be a petition for the DOJ to look into raising the penalties
Its a joke to give someone that small of a sentence for killing another who did not wrong
Get those dirty politicians out
lawlessamerica.com
I feel a deep sympathy for all family members suffering the loss of missing family. With all the technology and DNA these days… Why is this? We can’t it’s don’t search find work hard enough, if fire enough to do or complete the job. We should never stop searching..
Hire smarter individuals or use the money to investigate poperly…
I wonder if the murder of Pam Hinrichs and George Leonard , may be connected. They worked at similar places of business in a sense.
Was George a robbery victim, or was he shot for general principles. I see that Pamela was murdered on a Tuesday. What day of the week was November 28, 1981.
I would think if the police department had it’s together, then they should make a stab at clearing a few of these cases. Especially, since one commenter suggested a possible motive for his death.
If they can’t even solve thefts god help thes people and 911 don’t seem to make some of bpds officers from being good peace keepers .reported attempted stabbing I’ve never heard back from them wow and ya want to solve cold cases?pray the new chief gets them doing their jobs oh now let me guess ya will still be on my aaa for being a good citizen I even reported it with the presence of a Burlington social worker and victim will testify because she lived
Sarah DiMeo has done an outstanding job with the Faded Out podcast. Unfortunately, Noreen trolls have started posting the same old talking points that simply do not make sense. Monique Ventrano is especially annoying, as she or it spews lies after lies. For example, the Des Moines Register presented a story the day after Johnny went missing that no one heard the dog bark. Monique claims the entire neighborhood heard the dog bark. that is, if there was a dog
The Noreen version of events should be dispelled and put to rest. she stopped searching for Johnny years ago and her foundation continued to rake in the cash. The jackpot was the so-called documentary produced by Rumor, which if you think about it, is an appropriate name for a Johnny Gosch documentary under written by Noreen. Shortly after the documentary lines Noreen’s pockets, the foundation stopped submitting the paperwork the IRS requires for organizations to maintain a non-profit status. The IRS gives non-profits three years to make amends and the Johnny Gosch Foundation simply disappeared.
At one point, it became all about the money for Noreen and hence, the presentation of lies only a Hollywood writer could create.
One more thing: there were two cars (three cars if you count the Birge’s car near the scene of the kidnapping on a day when the sky was overcast and you cannot see much on a clear morning at 6 am and much less when it is about to rain.
She did help draft the Johnny Gosch bill but, other than that? Well, she wanted to be a movie star from way back and she kinda got her wish. The only ones still supporting her story are folks who have not done enough research into the case and have not looked at the source of claims from the story as told by her and the various con men that inserted themselves into the case from early on up until present times. I’m still trying to figure out what some of those con men got out of it other than sounding ridiculous. I guess some of them sold books, but the ones that didn’t should have chosen a different post retirement activity like golf or watercolors. The last investigator still believes that Gannon was Gosch and that he was simultaneously hiding on an Indian reservation. Ridiculous! The only facts that morning are those presented by the witnesses and those facts are very few. The rest is just a story and a story told by the “investigators” and con men and people the con men conned who were not there that morning and those who wanted to cash in on the case. The only people that know what happened to Johnny are either dead or aren’t about to come forward and have purposefully been laying low for years. Even though he didn’t probably come after Johnny on foot and emerge from the trees between two houses like the “story” suggests, I would bet my life that GPB, SS, and a few former Des Moines Register employees know exactly what happened to Gosch and Martin. Why was SS never arrested for impersonating a DCI officer or for obtaining and showing CP? The reason why is one of the things wrong with the case from the start. Boy if there’s one guy that I wish I knew what he knew it would be S. The fact that he moved from Omaha to Des Moines once things heated up and was straddling two cities and was part of local politics at the time just blows my mind. I am not saying he was the abductor at all. All I am saying is he at least knows who it was and there he was part of city council all that time that LE was so desperate to find information on Gosch or Martin. All that detectives had to do was talk to one of the guys on city council and then ask themselves how he could know or have access to something like that. There were several people around the case that should have been polygraphed and interrogated that weren’t. Too bad LE were probably all prevented in a certain manner by certain parties from doing any such interrogation or asking too many questions. After all “you saw it too and what would your wife think of that or the folks at church?” “You want your pension don’t you?” Ask too many questions and look forward to your next career bagging groceries instead! He was clever I’ll give him that.
I agree with what you wrote. Both Gosch and Martin were taken locally and dumped locally. I wonder how deep the cover up goes and why was Martin targeted. I get Gosch, because of the motive to eliminate a snitch to keep the pedos in business. No one, however, has linked Martin to any pedo activities.
Noreen Gosch is posting lies about Sarah DiMeo on her Facebook page. Noreen states Sarah is not part of the Johnny Gosch Foundation. Well, Noreen, your foundation went out of business, so you are not a part of it either. Right after the release of the untruthful documentary, your foundation stopped filing the proper forms with the IRS to continue operating as a non-profit.
Let Sarah finish her work and tell your robotic groupies to stop promoting the fairy tale told by Bonacci the lying scumbag.
You should have never made the documentary, Noreen. You opened the door for credible researchers to debunk the myth surrounding your son’s disappearance. I’m not sure when it became about the money, Noreen, but I think it happened before Johnny was kidnapped and most likely murdered.
Say hello to Sam Soda for me in hell Noreen, when you see him.
Hey Gene. You were physically abusive while you were married right? Why dont you stop bullying your Ex/wife and try doin that shit with me? Its a shame after all this time your still trying to intimidate her. Your a slimey dude Gene. I’d bet my life your behind your flesh and blood going missing that day. Pretty sure you’ll be the one in hell you pos. Go peddle your ever changing story of what happened that day somewhere else jerkoff. We know its just grandstanding. Ps if you were a man at all. Instead of an abuser you would meet me for a little chat. Don’t worry i won’t post anything i know about you after i pump your fuckin’ teeth down your throat. Enjoy the misery that is your life.
Sam Soda came from Omaha? I thought he had always been living in Des Moines and was a PI there. Was he maintaining residences in both cities at the same time?
Good question! People should ask more questions and not speculate.
Yes Sam Soda came from Omaha. If you look at some early articles from Des Moines register staff writer Frank Santiago wrote , they say Sam Soda, Private investigator of Omaha, while later articles say Sam Soda private investigator of Des Moines. I have heard he was straddling two cities. Easy to create a double life that way and easy to reinvent yourself in one place when things go south in the other. There’s the old saying don’t piss in your own sandbox. There you go. I’ve heard from one source, not sure if it’s true but, that he was a manager at a bar in Omaha called the Stagedoor in downtown Omaha, close to the old market in the early days before all the PI stuff.
Hello. I would like to leave a comment. As a point of information, I viewed the comments on the podcast. Referencing the one comment you mentioned above pertaining to the dog barking was not a certainty just a speculation. The comment does not read that the dog woke up the whole neighborhood instead it reads the dogs bark triggered the witnesses to pay attention to it resulting in one looking out his window and the other spotting a man walk out of the bushes. If the dog woke up the whole neighborhood it would of been better more witnesses may have seen what happened that morning.
The report of a man walking out of the bushes did not surface until years after Johnny’s disappearance. Not credible!
First of all, Troll is a silly word and I do not Spew lies. I was simply setting a possible scenario.. I never said the whole neighborhood heard Gretchen bark, I said Mike Seskis reported hearing the dog bark and it’s possible PJ Smith did as well, which led him to look out his bedroom window. Sorry you found me to be annoying, but I raised great points and tonight’s Podcast Episode 23 was excellent.
The September 6, 1982 edition of the Des Moines Register quotes Mike Seskis saying he did not hear the dog bark. Because the dog was not barking, Mike did not “sense immediate danger.”
I do not find you annoying; I find you unwilling to entertain other possible scenarios besides the garbage spewed by lying Noreen. She is the reason the case became a mess. She criticized police, but when two psychics told her where Johnny’s body was buried, she did not bother to join the search.
She stayed at home to devise more ways to milk the case for publicity and hence, money. She’s a freaking liar!
I do not know if you live in Des Moines or were around when this went down, but you should know that many people that fit both descriptions think Noreen had something to do with it.
I’m not from Iowa. I never read that newspaper article I’m not a closed minded person. You’re entitled to your opinion. Unfortunately we’ve become a society that if they don’t agree with someone you’re the enemy that must be destroyed. Sad.
“Unfortunately we’ve become a society that if they don’t agree with someone you’re the enemy that must be destroyed.”
You just wrote about a tactic found in the Noreen Gosch playbook. She has hammered innocent people for years. Very sad.
Do the research and get back with me. Quoting unhinged Noreen is not research.
Sweetheart. Those are my words. Has nothing to do with anyone else.
Oh, but it has everything to do with someone else.
Noreen’s version of events has run its course. Her harassment of Sarah DiMeo is a disgrace. The Johnny Gosch Foundation no longer exists, so referring to the former money machine applies to no one, especially Sarah. I hope Sarah puts the Patreon page back up.
It is apparent Noreen became unhinged after the John Sr. interview. She is obviously trying to protect the Noreen Gosch brand, which she has done for more than 30 years.
She has lied so much Noreen makes politicians look honest.
Eugene your a dice bag wife beater
What a surprise
As a former US Army MI Analyst, what I believe happened is that Dan was traveling with a pop-up camper (News had it the murder scene has two sets of narrow-gauge tire tracks as if pulling a trailer) and perhaps with Misty, as well. I note from news reports they both disappeared for a while. I have read that there is a “Meth Town” at the head of Wamsutter Road to the West where it meets the main highway and that road is the back way to avoid attention thru Casper. There seems to be a good camping spot up there, and remote, I found on the Internet. I think the two girls tried to get away while Dan (And Misty?) were perhaps showering at Love’s, for it is the only place in Wamsutter for many miles to get such services and supplies.
But to later see his small blue nice paint and body job p/u right at a tight place in the road parked in the ditch as no local would ever do, seeing their reaction to me and my white 18 wheeler, and, in passing looking to read their plate #, seeing copious amounts of dust dumped upon the trailer hitch, and hiding the licence plate just added to the intrigue.
Conclusion: Meth-heads are murderers; The young girls knew too much about something that meant serious jail time for Dan and Misty, and/or perhaps even retaliation from other Meth-heads. Or it’s all Fake News.
And no one from Crime Stoppers, etc., ever called me back.
I worked at Rawlins City Market had station for quite a while. One evening just before closing a small purple sedan with a couple on it tore thru lane 2 then lane 3, back again, turned around, and back into lane 4. No way was I going outside. I watched the man driver seem at if to pump, but did not start it. He just furtively went to the pump and the open again and again. Finally I heard what sounded like a .22 short. They suddenly drove off without fueling. As I was about to lock the doors the same car pulled into lane 6, and an obese woman pre-paid 8$. She had 2 notable small moles on her right cheek next to her mouth. I went out to pretend to check the trash cans but kept my distance while I tried to get the plate number. I called the cops on what I thought were high meth heads. The man had black short hair, but was balding on top, and unless he was hiding was now not with her. The next day while browsing my photos I recognized my downloaded photos of Dan and Misty from the Amber Alert. I checked, and it was the newer colors of the Iowa State licence plate the sedan had and that’s why I hadn’t recognized it. I guess I almost bought the farm that night. Wonder why the authorities never have contacted me.
Rick A. Hyatt
548 15th Street
Cathy Gardens Apartments – #402
Rawlins, WY 82301
307-321-3371
rickahyatt@gmail.com
7/28/2018
Chief Jeff Jensen
Evansdale Police Department
Evansdale, IA 50707
Fax transmittal 319-232-1586
Re: My reported sighting of Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins attempting to hitchhike at Wamsutter, WY, Love’s Truck Stop way back when the Amber Alert was still active. And dressed in urban street clothes (We’d just had a snow) while holding a cardboard sign penned in ink “IO…” How, about a week later, I came upon a man I am certain was Dan Morrison in a small blue p/u with Lyric (Notable “Owl” eyeglasses) about 15 miles up Wamsutter Road seemingly very distraught about her ID’ing me or something.
Also, a most recent encounter (7/6/18) with Misty and Dan Morrison at my work place at Rawlins City Market, HERE IN WYOMING.
To wit:
Perhaps my previous attempts to report same were dismissed because I have Celiac’s Disease, and only recently have recovered from its adjunct, Lactose Intolerance. While being a former MI Analyst, these two conditions can still give one “Brain Fog,” and I note that the odd names and circumstance of this case are bizarre enough anyway.
I was never called back by anyone, so when I one day saw a sedan with IA plates and what looked to be four suited detectives at City Market, I approached them to tell them, “If you know any cops back in Iowa, tell them I’d seen (The above).
I note your cold case people have re-instituted a grounds-up re-investigation. Please do call if you with and please ignore my speech defect (A past tongue surgery), but I do now have hearing aids. My eidetic memory is still good, however.
On July 6th, right before my closing time when it’s pretty dark and slow out there, a small purple sedan zipped south thru lane 2 to turn around the kiosk to whip north through lane 3 to turn around, whip back, then turn again to stop at lane 4 as if to fuel. A young Caucasian man with black needle like short hair and what I would call a “Meth-head” demeanor keep gesturing to his passenger as if “How could you do that!?” Going back and forth, and looking at me in dread.
I could have sworn I heard the report of a .22 short thru the thick windows but saw nothing.
He suddenly hung up the handle and sped off without fueling. This was so bizarre I called 911 to document this. Since I’ve worked there, many a “Meth-head” had tried to instigate trouble. I think I’ve noted and reported things that have had an effect upon their covert means of transport.
I’d tried to get the plate #, but could only note the multi-colored plate was one I’d not seen before, but definitely not local Wyoming. I note from the Internet Iowa now sports a new design. Did his passenger have an accidental firing while handling a pistol? Or was it all some sort of show?
Right at my closing, two Hispanics came in at not their usual time to buy cigarettes. An Obese blond Caucasian in her late 20’s or so with a mole on her lower right cheek came in with a nuisance conversation about the price of cheap cigarettes and to put $7 on pump six, the furthest one out, where she’d now parked.
I noted that it was the same purple sedan, so tried again to get the plate number without approaching too close. This time I could read “IOWA” in white on top, a black cryptic block lettered custom #, and a green bottom symbolic, I guess, of a grassy field. She stood triumphantly before the car door, so I could not tell if the male was with her, had been dropped off, or was perhaps hiding in the back seat.
I did not know what to make of all the above until the next morning when I was browsing my photo Gallery.
Misty and Dan Morrison from news files.
Dan now had male-pattern baldness, and she is quite the more obese, but apparently has the same blond hair and facial mole. And some untoward current and intent interest in me.
Without a doubt, this man, his black needle-like hair, shape of face, and his “Universe is going to end” demeanor is the same man I saw with Lyric on the side of Wamsutter road when the Amber Alert was on.
Apparently coming all the way from Iowa to check me out? Well, I surmise they’ve been getting renewed questioning, I guess. Please note my long-term survival has been do to my practiced and trained ability to not react to things, but to appear to “Not notice.”
I am in occasional email contact with Officer Gamlin of the Rawlins Police Department.
“:” is publicly posted, if it is correct.
Yet as a twice-sworn-in Veteran “To Preserve, Protect…” I am painfully aware of how our moral base has been corrupted in order to Conquer-And-Divide by foreign forces, as with the Drug Trade, and do what I can to note and report things per my training at the 4th PSYOPS Group at Ft. Bragg.
On top of which, I no longer work at City Market, so would hope to have hit pay dirt with the proffered reward. I am a pragmatic man.
Lastly, please forgive my visually-oriented over-attention to detail. I was trained to be like that.
Rick A. Hyatt
Electronically signed.
Please forgive the typos and in that this media will not accept the embedded photo nor email address I had in the original. Please just make sure this gets to the right authorities if you would, please.
In my research of missing persons, I came across an article about a missing woman from New Jersey. She had been rejected by a Muslim that she wanted to marry.
She had a breakdown and was placed in a psychiatric facility. Her sister and M.D., had her released and brought to her home in N.J., and the sister fled within 15 minutes of her arrival.
Her sister said that Renee had a case of ‘Dissociative Fugue’, which is psychological disorder. This disorder causes amnesia, where the person completely forgets their name, and flees the area of the severe emotional stress.
The 1st documented case of this in the U.S. was in 1880’s. The person is identified as Ansel Bourne. There are more cases of this documented on-line over the years.
It appears to be triggered by a death in the family, marital discord, and PTSD. One guy in Australia disappeared for about 23 years. He was found because he regained some of his memory and registered for their version of Medicare.
I recommend the stories of Hannah Upp, who disappeared at least three times with this disorder. Also, the story of Jody Roberts from Washington. She was found by the investigators in Alaska. Her parents were surprised to find she was married and they were grandparents. She had been missing for 12 years and had not recovered her memories.
So, this could explain her disappearance. Especially the death of her husband, would be a trigger as the medical community suggests.
I read excerpts online of a book by Norma brother Sydney Louis, who lived in Texas. He lists all his evidence that his nephew Carl Maynard, the chief of police in Boone, his nephews attorney’s, and the Iowa circuit court system for the disappearance of his sister.
He believes that Carl Maynard was most likely involved in the murder of his mother. Sydney, mentions that in May 1980, Carl was starting the process to declare his mother dead. He also became the conservator and the executor of her estate.
Also, he claims that the disappearance of his sister was not properly investigated or no mention of her disappearance was mentioned in the local media. Sydney, would have been mote involved in the case. But, he was taking care of his mother for almost 20 years, who was suffering with dementia.
He found out in 1988, that his sister had been declared legally dead in 1986. He also brings problems with Carl’s reports about parent’s assets. He spent money on the family home that would not have raised the dollar value of the home in that part of Boone.
Also, after his father is dead and his mother has disappeared he gets married to a woman, who it appears from a poor background, who she may have assumed that Carl Maynard had some money. Also, he suggests that Carl, who supposedly has an AA degree in welding never seemed to get a job in that field.
Sydney, is the one who suggested that Carl and his wife move to Texas, as there was plenty of work in that field. Also, there was another brother of Norma, identified as Sam, who still lived in Iowa.
Also he does not believe that Norma, would buy a bus ticket to California. There were other comments about stuff that Carl did that was not normal for him.
Not sure if this is still an active case. She was a former student of mine in Clarion. I believe she was either with grandma or her father when she was reported missing.
Clearly the boyfriend did this. It doesn’t take a genius to know this! Hello! Domestic Abuse always leads to someone being killed! Plus time of death was around the same time her boyfriend left for work supposedly well doesn’t that give you a clue right there? Plus if he noticed her laying upstairs on the couch when she was sleeping downstairs and she’s got a blanket over her head wouldn’t his first thought be to check on her if he truly cared? NOT throw a pack of cigarettes on her head! Duh! Because he killed her and tried to throw the police off and they once again failed the family! The killer walks free! Not to mention he calls his mom after he calls the cops… why? Because he’s guilty and is freakin out? Why doesn’t the Des Moines Police ever do their job and handle domestic abuse cases like they’re suppose to? Get with it guys! You’ve failed this family, you’ve failed me and my kids and you’ve failed a lot of other women plus their children too. How many more have to die in the hands of their abusers til someone learns how to deal, educate themselves and handle cases with domestic violence?! Seriously?! I just pray everyday for this family that this killer one day gets punished for what he did to this beautiful lady ❤️🙏🏻.
Murderer walked right past my house yesterday. Glanced over. You want to no how that makes me feel? Take a guess.
With all the new forensic tools available the police should review their case files and determine what evidence they have and whether anything can be tested.
However, if the boyfriend did it, his finger prints and DNA evidence would normally be found there since he lived there
However, it would be nice to know if they verified if these other people were present. Also, do they remember anything from that night or morning.
But, in some jurisdictions cold cases are not a priority. A recent article spoke about a six year delay in forensic testing in several cold cases, allowed the offender to remain on the street. However, this was a decision by the crime lab. This took place in California.
Right Patrick. Prints and DNA everywhere from him anyway..The part that I can’t stand is he was across from me then and. 23 year’s later he’s across the way from me again. New questions are coming up about the deal with the two minors downstairs that fateful morning. It was a school day. Mystery!
If they knew who did it and he’s dead now, then why can’t you tell us who this person was Iowa Cold Cases?
There are a number of Native American women, who have disappeared. However, they don’t a lot of attention from news media, since their disappearances take place on Indian Reservations, and either Tribal Police or Bureau of Indian Affairs Police don’t have the resources. Also there are jurisdiction issues that complicate law enforcement issues on the reservations. Also some of these reservations cover a lot of territory, for the detailed search.
I wonder how she got connected with a guy from Kansas. I don’t know how far away his home is from her residence. Also, it mentioned that he was married. So was she aware that he was married. Maybe she found out ad decided to end the relationship. Also, did he have a family, that could provide some answers.
Obviously I am just a reader so take this with a grain of salt. It mentions he drove but doesn’t say anything about what, if anything, was found in the vehicle. Was it not searched for evidence or was it and that information is just not shared here? Unfortunately, I believe she’ll be found in one of the bodies of water along the route indicated as it’s a fast place to get rid of any evidence. His commission of suicide leads me to believe he didn’t do a very good job concealing his crime and the evidence is out there to be found and he was under the assumption it had been and killed him self. Having other people involved may have given him a bargaining chip if he shared information so it seems likely he acted alone. I do not know this woman but PLEASE, if you live in the surrounding area, search for her. One year later or 20, any small bit of information or evidence may help solve this. “Missing” with no other information is an unacceptable answer and she needs to be brought home and we cannot count on a dead man or any possible other perpetrators to solve this.
The guys is from rolfe iowa. Not kansas.
Bob, there is a Coffey County in Kansas, according to my AAA Road Atlas. I did see the town you referred to in Iowa.
Still, I wonder how she met him, and develop a long distance relationship. t would be nice to know more about him.
Such as what he did for a living.
Also, her car was found at a local nightclub. I wonder if thus was some place she normally hung out.
Bob, his obituary mentions that he was involved in selling insurance. He moved several times, yet was a great family man, and played Santa.
One newspaper has the police saying he was unemployed. But, one of his other girlfriends, has him driving bull semen around Iowa.
Also, he met Dawn on an online dating service. She was going through a divorce and one of her sons committed suicide, and was lonely.
His obituary mentions him taking his son hunting and camping. I hope authorities were able to search those spots.
But, her vehicle being found at that nightclub, the next morning. But, it was not there when it closed at 10:30 p.m.
Very interesting.
He was living in Rolfe, IA with his wife but he was raised in Kansas.
I am Dawn’s niece. They met online. He lived a double life. He was married yet told the family he was divorced. He lived in Rolfe, IA with his wife. He lied about his employment, his marital status, everything.
I came across Emanuel burgs my high school friend wow 😢he has been missed his murder still has been unsolved even with all the technology being so advanced RIP J.R🙏🏽
There is not a lot of information on his disappearance. I wonder if he had any family, and if they are still looking for him. It bothers me that no one has taken the time to colllect more details on his background.
The question is why did Handlon took the truck. Was it for another criminal enterprise. Also, did Delaney have a criminal record, or needed the money. Also, you woyld think that the dealership would have the VIN for all the vehicles in their possession.
This is just a thought…beings he wasn’t wearing that shoes or stockings maybe he was having an affair and got cought by the husband?
OH MY! Maybe!!
In less than 10 minutes she got a ride that Friday night- suspicious or very bad luck
I don’t want to change the subject, but were the skeletal remains in the 55-barrel ever identified. When, I read that it reminded me of the Bear Brook remains found in New Hampshire.
The other question is whether the ex-boyfriend that was in prison. Was he ever questioned.
Patrek those remains where identified as Lois Tomich, who was murdered by her husband. Her husband, Thomas Tomich, was also a person of interest in two other murders; Debra Ann Barajas and Brianne Smith.
Thanks for the update on Lois Tomich. Her husband sounds like a class guy. I hope he staying safe in a uncomfortable prison cell.
It is once again the upcoming anniversary of my father and stepmothers deaths. Also their grandaughter malinda jos 14th birthday. Every year i pray something new has been found. Please God let this come to rest. And bring us some closure. .. I love you… Melonie
I was the Attorney who defended Les Brockert. I have left comments here before. Why were they deleted? John Wunder.
That isnt something I would be bragging about!!!!
I have never seen anything from you on here before. You defended him wasn’t that enough? What made you come here to comment anyway?
I seen them Barb… he was once again defending him on here…. and how he was found not guilty blah blah blah….. and I said it then and I will say it again…. he was found not guilty on kidnapping not on murder….. so murder is still on the table…..
Everyone knows he’s guilty except for his family that may have something to do with it….
John, I apologize for my tardy response to your question. I do remember you making one or two comments and I also remember responding. I did a search on my computer and found a single text document referencing what you’d written Aug. 20, 2012, that said (verbatim):
–>I was Brokert’s attorney. He did not give police five stories, nor were there gloves or shovel in his car. The medical examiner testified the child was murdered 72 hours after Broker was arrested.< -- It also showed my response (which I will post below), but I honestly have no idea why your comment went missing as well as my response. As a rule, comments are never deleted unless there is excessive profanity (yours certainly did "not" fall into that category), and I'm at a loss as to what happened because I would not delete a comment to which I had replied. My response had included some of the text currently included in Amber's case summary. I'd written (also verbatim): -->A doctor who testified for the defense said the remains found in the dry creek bed would have been placed there about 12 to 72 hours before they were discovered. He admitted he wasn’t an expert in studying fly larvae, a forensic entomology method used to determine the length of time since death.
According to interview notes taken during the investigation, a special agent with the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation said Brockert gave five different stories regarding Amber’s disappearance.
Jose Canas testified he saw a pink diaper bag sitting in weeds near the alley behind his home the night of June 8, the same night the baby disappeared. Canas also testified that he saw Brockert driving in south Muscatine the following morning with the diaper bag in his car. Canas said he would allow Brockert to borrow some of his tools without asking, and that after the abduction, he believed a shovel was missing.<-- I do remember one point in time (many years ago, though I don't recall the year) when we'd made the transition from using WordPress's regular comment form to using their "Jetpack" version, and I'd received perhaps a dozen emails from people who'd asked why their comments were deleted (on other cases). I hadn't deleted those, either, and though I was able to find some of them in old email messages notifying me (from WordPress) of new comments received, it wouldn't allow me to "re-approve" the comment so I'd reposted them manually citing the comment's original date and poster's name. I don't recall any other comment glitches since that incident. All my best, Jody at ICC
John also stated after the trial that was held that if it went to a murder trial that he would not be representing him.
you’re a piece of shit mr defense attorney
IT’S BEEN ALMOST 7 YEARS GRANDPA! IT’S BEEN REALLY HARD WITH OUT YOU! NEXT WEEK I’LL BE 14!! BUT THAT WILL ALSO BE THE SAME DAY IT’S BEEN 7 YEARS WITH OUT YOU…. I’VE GROWN INTO A STRONG YOUNG WOMEN AND HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH IN LIFE. THINGS WERE SO TUFF GROWING UP AND I KNOW IF I WERE TO HAVE YOU EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN A BIT EASIER. I KNOW WRITING HERE DOESN’T CHANGE ANYTHING BUT IT TAKES A BIT OF THINGS OFF MY SHOULDERS. I HATE THE MAN WHO DID THIS. I TRULY AND DEEPLY DO. I WANT YOU BACK SO GOSH DARN BAD. IT’S SUCKS YOU’RE NOT AROUND. SO MUCH CRAP HAS HAPPENED. BUT I THANK YOU FOR THE YEARS I HAD WITH YOU AND ALL THE MEMORIES I HAVE TO CHERISH I LOVE YOU GRANDPA- with all love your grand daughter Malinda wood
luv u little brother
Just throwing this out there but did anyone consider it a revenge killing in association to her fathers practice? Lawyers make a lot of enemies. Especially good ones.
Why were so many without picture’s? The public needs to know what they look like in order to be found. I never knew there were so many people in Iowa that are missing. I pray that they are all ok and safe.
Thank you for adding this!
As usual, I am looking for more details on his case. What was the cause of death, if it is considered a homicide. He was supposedly murdered in 1984, over 30 years ago.
Maybe someone could be held responsible if authorities released more details.
There is an 11 year old girl missing in Iowa. All we know is her name and date she supposedly went missing. I would expect a lot more than just that. Is someone being protected? If the authorities don’t have the details then they need to fill in the blanks.
The closest VA Medical Center is in Des Moines, Iowa. There is a VA Community Bases Outpatient Clinic in Knoxville. However, any admissions from the clinic would normally be sent to the VA Medical Center in Des Moines.
So he may have been referred to a civilian hospital, and eloped from there. Eloped is the term used for patients that leave medical facilities against medical advice, better known as going AMA.
So we need to determine what hospital he was in and why. Also, if he had a service connected disability from his time in the Coast Guard. Just for general information Coast Guard Personnel served in Vietnam,any many other conflicts.
I served with the Coast Guard Reserve during Desert Shield/Storm, in the Persian Gulf. I also served on a U.S. Navy attack submarine during the Cold War, and Vietnam era.
I did some more research and found that there was a VA Medical Center in Knoxville. However, it merged with the Des Moines VA Medical Center in 1997. So the Knoxville VA Medical Center is an Out Patient Clinic or CBOC.
Omg this is what happy to my brother too in 1991
The county attorney Kenyon is a crook. He has less morals than an drug addict I’ve ever seen. He should be fired for not prosecuting the mom. The reason he didn’t is because that crazy bitch has an uncle who is county attorney in next county. Let me guess was that hardisty? He was wierd also. They all blame me for getting an attorney barred but that attorney also was a crazy pedophile pervert. All the attorneys stick together weather they are right or wrong. I know other cases where Kenyon got the cops to lie on the stand and he lets his rich friends kids get away with rape of a minor. If your friends with Kenyon you can get away with murder rape whatever. He should have been fired a long time ago. I’ve never seen anything like it. My son went to law school just because of the crooked ass lawyers in this area .
Motive for mother to kill one child…she can’t handle two or less child support to the father. She is a crazy bitch and should be put away or finally she forgot to take her nutcase medication. She’s just out there looking to kill some other innocent person or animal. Thanks to kenyon. And there are rapist wanting to rape again ….why… cauae they can get away with it. Daddys rich
https://www.kcci.com/article/new-developments-2011-toddler-death-case-reopened/22347014
I wonder what was going on in the family that may have led her to run away from home. This might provide an investigative lead of sorts. What were her interests at the time. Also, what modes of travel into and out of Clearfield.
As a follow-up, it would be nice if Social Security could check their records and see if they issued a SSN to a female with that date of birth, or within a few days before or after.
Also under her original name. I wonder if she might have a boyfriend, who happened to be 18 or older. He leaves and she decides that he is the love of her life. It only an idea.
I find it interesting that her best friend is out of the loop on her disappearance, except that she ran away. She figured that Colleen would have gave her a head’s up. Maybe, it was a spur of the moment thing.
She mentions a family function outside of town, where Colleen took of from. Her brother said she ran away from home in the middle of the night. So what is the truth.
I agree, confusing, brother says she ran away from home. Her friend says she was with family at a function and disappeared from there. Not much to go off of, someone hiding the true facts of where she really was that evening.
This is my Aunt. My uncle is Mike. Our family misses her and we wonder where she is.
Hello, run a missing person group in NY and I am trying to get a hold of any family members of Colleen. If one could contact me at usnymp@gmail.com
Hi my name is Amanda Howard. My uncle is Mike and my Dad is Kelly. I’ll be contacting you. Thank you so much for this message.
Has there been a Facebook Page set up to try and find leads or information about Colleen Simpson’s disappearance? It has 46+ years since she disappeared. It sure seems to be a good way to try and find leads.
Hope these peoples families are at peace. It’s sad n sobering to think somebody misses them and they’re lost. Crazy.
I don’t understand why the police refused to release any details of his murder. Were they protecting someone? This case is almost 35 years old. What are they waiting on. Also, has this case been entered into VICAP, so it can be possibly linked to another case that might have been solved, or matches this case.
We don’t even know the caliber of firearm used. Someone needs to ask the Cedar Rapids Police, when they are going to release the details of the murder. His children deserve some answers before they die.
What the hell is going on with Law Enforcement in the state of Iowa for the last 50 years? All these sad cases on this website all ended the same way and tell the same sad story. I read about how law enforcement dropped this ball or that ball, how there was no investigation or the investigation was botched or the crime scene was compromised or a member of law enforcement was actually in on it or somehow responsible or the ex police chief was corrupt and arrested himself for drug dealing or stalking or was buddies with the DA etc etc over and over again. What the hell was going on with Iowa police departments ? We’re they always this bad or is Iowa any worse or notoriously negligent and incompetent than every other department in every other state or are they all this bad everywhere? I think I know the answer sadly but that’s my question.
The only arrest’s the CRPD and Linn County can make are DUI’s,they don’t even try to investigate anything else unless it’s big news and then only if CBS,NBC,or ABC shames them into doing some work!
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I find it interesting that there was no mention of whether if the victim opened the door to his home, or entry was forced. Also, were their any prints found in the car. Also, we have a guy involved in the theft of the victim’s vehicle, but it appears he was not the guy who was driving the vehicle stopped in Minnesota. Yet, the car was found in Effingham, Illinois, most likely close to I- 57.
If I remember right the Illinois State
Police have a district headquarters in the same town.
I think that’s odd as well!
There were no signs of forced entry so he must have know the person & let them in.
If he has done that, why do it nude??
Was this a girlfriend he was meeting???
Praying this get solved
Again another case with no details. The guy died, and we have to wonder how he died, that his death was classified as a homicide. I guess it too hard to provide some details. Who knows it might generate some leads. I like that his fellow homeless guy told Graspy’s niece that there was something wrong with him.
That more then the police have told us. Maybe, if they provided more details it might jog someone’s memory. Nah, we can’t that.
Again, law enforcement has not shared the basics of who, what, where when, or how. Where was he when he was murdered? How was he murdered? What was the time of the incident?. This incident took place almost 22 years ago. Yet, they might be some detail that they quite often withhold. I assume that he was murdered someway, shot, stabbed, strangled, died of blunt force trauma. When, will they tell us.
Jorge, I would make the call, and let the police follow up on the lead. It never hurts to say that the seen a guy in Cedar Rapids, that matches his description. Also, it keeps his case active with law enforcement. Mervin, could have have moved on from Spencer for greener pastures in the big city.
I searched Mervin Walvatne on Ancestry earlier today and found an address entry from U.S. Public Records showing an address of Route 1 Box 134 in Lone Rock, Wisconsin. However, their is no year when he was living at this address. The records from them covers 1950 to about 1993 or so.
I wonder if he had any family in that neck of the woods. It bears further investigation, even it means figuring out where Lone Rock is located in Wisconsin. Also, if alive he would be eligible for Social Security and Medicare. So, they need to be checked to see if he is receiving any benefits.
Another resource is the Salvation Army. They have a Missing Persons Bureau of sorts. I don’t know how they search their system of facilities, but because of his background they may have come in contact with him. I would think that he has come to the attention of some social service agency.
The first thing I would do if I were a detective on this case is hit all the recycle spots where you can get cash for cans in Cedar Rapids. Especially since he is on a bike he should be easy to track down. I would Interview the folks that work at these recycling redemption spots and interview other can collectors like this guy and ask if they have ever seen the guy and what time or days or how often this guy comes in. Most of these transient types who collect cans do it for a living, know each other and believe it or not, have a routine and frequent the same places regularly. They normally come weekly or more. There’s a ton of guys just like this in my town. Worst case a family member could post up there for a few days and I believe they could run into him. Now, Getting a law enforcement agency with stretched resources to track a mentally ill transient who is a non-contributor to society, a drain on local medical and emergency response resources, last seen in 1993 that generates no tax revenue for the city, yeah that’s the hard part. Best results could probably be achieved by a family member willing to put in the time and effort.
I like that idea. But something better would be the agency faxing a missing persons flyer to these facilities. Then they could notify the appropriate agency and the local police can then pick him up. He should be referred to social services. However, at 81 years old living a transient lifestyle, would he still be on the streets looking for cans.
Also, between social service agencies and law enforcement should be interacting with these people, to determine their identies. Who knows how many missing persons they m might account for.
Your idea about posting a flyer at these sites is a good one. Although if last seen officially in 1993 unofficially in 1999, that was quite a while back. Most of the transient types with no mental illness pass on in their 70’s at most due to hard lifestyle and being outdoors. But add in mental illness, poor health and hygiene and that makes even 70’s a stretch. If he’s truly in his 80’s there’s a good chance he’s not alive anymore. I wonder what the authorities do with random unidentifiable people that expire. Do they go into some kind of database? Are they cremated? Any notifications get put in a local paper for unidentifiable people for their loved ones to hopefully see? Like if I was someone random with no ID on me and just died on the street, what do they do if they have no one to contact? I guess the policy and procedures would vary by county. Sad. I believe the family could have done more to find this guy if they really wanted to find him. Some people don’t want to be found.
There are not a lot of details on his disappearance. It makes me wonder how the police determined that it was involuntary disappearance. If they have more details, they should share them, so that it might generate some leads.
When and where was he last seen? Does he gave have any medical or mental health issues? Does he drive or have access to a vehicle.
Time to call on Parabon Nanolabs for a “Snapshot” based on the DNA?
“In 2013, the Linn County Sheriff’s Office announced that they had sent the evidence from Ron’s case for testing and there was a DNA profile from an unknown person found on his clothing. The sample was run through CODIS (the Combined DNA Index System). No match was found. Ron’s case again is at a standstill.” –Marlene Florang Chramosta, guest columnist, The Gazette, https://www.thegazette.com/subject/opinion/guest-columnists/who-killed-ronnie-novak-someone-must-know-20170710
you are absolutely correct, people really are capable of terrible things that they hide from others
Solved? This case hasn’t even gone to trial yet!!!
love you aunt kay and uncle bill, reading this article breaks my heart. :(
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Can’t believe after all this time that adam Schumacher hasn’t been investigated
It’s frustrating that the authorities ignored this case. They should be ashamed. It appears that Karen, is a serial arsonist. How, is it that these previous and later fires did not provoke investigators to connect the dots. The State of Iowa needs to admit they failed and look at it again. The same with a full complete autopsy.
I wonder if her case was entered into the FBI’s system. Another thing is that her ankles and wrists were tied. There are other cases around the country involving the binding f wrists and ankles. It would be nice to see if the case might be connected with others around country. Also, I wonder where she got the idea, she was pregnant. Also, what was so important that she had to go back out at that time. Also, the roommate appears to have dropped of the radar screen in this case.
The Fred that Chris referred to in the FadedOut podcast is Fred Freelin Sayre. He was a known chester in the Des Moines area that worked at the piano store at the mall and died in 1994 from a gunshot wound once he relocated to Missouri. Not saying that this guy was the “Emilio,” just saying that he is one of many many people that could have been potential suspects and I’m sure at some point he was on the police’s radar. Just think of how many hundreds of people it could have been that are known chesters. Then think of the many chesters that are unknown or were unknown and have died since then. It’s literally impossible to tie anyone to Johnny Gosch’s kidnapping or Eugene Martin’s kidnapping without evidence and witness accounts that could positively ID a license plate or someone for certain or someone to lead them to the remains and then do DNA testing. Yes Johnny and Eugene were both paperboys and they were both kidnapped but then think of all the attempted kidnappings that almost happened but didn’t. For years I thought the cases were tied together and they very well could still be because there are many similarities. Both on a Sunday, both paperboys, both around the same age etc. But the more years go by on this case, the more I’m beginning to understand why law enforcement couldn’t tie the cases together. The only one saying Johnny and Eugene and then Marc Allen’s case were tied together was Noreen in her book. The whole Sam Soda alerting Noreen that there was going to be another abduction in 1984, then Eugene Martin was kidnapped- that whole thing was from Noreen. Noreen said in her book that Soda told her. Sam has denied it and there is absolutely no proof, no recorded phone call, nothing concrete that shows that Sam did alert Noreen before Eugene Martin’s kidnapping. If she could put a wave file or MP3 of that convo on her website, I’d believe it all day long and it could be true but I’m just saying there’s no proof. Linking the two cases together was probably done to keep the Johnny Gosch case in the spotlight and keep the leads coming in. Hell I probably would have done the same thing if it were one of my sons. A good way to keep your case alive is to tie it to other similar cases as the years go by. Notice that Patty Wetterling didn’t tie her sons disappearance to anyone else’s kidnapping or to Franklin or MKUltra or DeCamp or Gunderson or anyone else and neither did the Martin family. Think about that one for a minute. Just saying. This case cannot be solved by looking at all these far out conspiracy theories. The whole Franklin thing was a tragedy. I’m sure it really happened. I’m sure LE King had some skeletons in his closet but most politicians do and that doesn’t mean it’s tied to Johnny Gosch. This case could only be solved by looking at who the chester the molesters were at the time, and what witnesses saw. A lot of the folks that could have potentially been perps are long dead and there are only a few people living today that probably know what happened to him. Not saying they were the perps but I bet Sykora has a pretty good idea even if he just heard through the grapevine and I bet even more so Soda because of his involvement with the program he put on, S.C.A.R.E.D (Stolen Children are Reported Every Day), he has a pretty good idea of what happened also. Wilbur Millhouse probably knew for sure as well but he’s dead now and I doubt he was ever polygraphed at the time anyway. I’m saying we have no real idea who the perps were. I know the general consensus among many is to view the police as lazy and uncooperative in this case according to the many watered down documentaries, just remember the police really have no proof what happened to him. There are good cops and bad cops. Most cops are pretty good. Some good cops have a bad leader and they are stuck. The police also have limited resources and can’t stop everything they are doing to dump all their manpower and money into solving one case. The only thing that was tragic is that the police had to wait 72 hours before they started investigating it as a missing person’s case but that was the law at the time and thankfully Noreen did a wonderful thing to change that. That’s probably why they weren’t in a big hurry to get to her house that morning. If it was a murder, they would have been there faster but they had 72 hours to get there. That’s why it took them 45 minutes. I’m taking a wild guess that the police worked harder than anyone who wasn’t a member of the West Des Moines Police Dept at the time could ever know on this case. All the facts from this case can be found from the early days. Everything else is just a story. I urge everyone to use common sense when investigating this case and don’t get sucked into all the Gannon, MK Ultra, conspiracy stuff. Go to Netflix and watch a few episodes of Longmire and then tell me if you think a white person could just run away and go post up and work on an indian rez. Not a chance.
At least 9 pedophiles were arrested in the Des Moines area after Johnny’s kidnapping. I found newspaper photographs of all but one of the men. None look like the man who approached me in the Ford Fairmont when I was delivering newspapers in 1982. I agree with you that Johnny and Eugene were probably dead within 72 hours of their kidnappings. If Johnny was kidnapped to make pornography, how come no one has ever reported seeing him in pornography? There are some real problems with the story of Johnny’s 2 AM homecoming (listen to Faded Out podcasts 6-8, and take careful note of Noreen’s account of that event in two separate interviews–one right after the Bonacci trial, and the other done later by Ted Gunderson). See if you notice what I noticed.
One thing I have thought about lately: Wouldn’t it be counter-intuitive for a pedophile to kill his victim? These nine men apparently liked having sex with teen boys. Wouldn’t kidnapping and killing a boy put an end to what they enjoyed? So this kidnapper either took pleasure in killing, or Johnny was kidnapped (as Wilbur Millhouse told me) to shut him up. When the man in the Ford Fairmont insisted I get into his car on a snowy morning, I sensed rage, not sexual desire. I could see that man killing for pleasure.
If Johnny was kidnapped to shut him up, that makes sense too. Millhouse was arrested for trying to sexually entice a teen boy in 1975. Millhouse spent 30 days in jail for that, but the Des Moines Register rehired him 3 years later to work with children. They had to have known about Millhouse’s arrest because that arrest was printed in the Register in 1975. Maybe Millhouse was calling Johnny and Johnny threatened to tell on him. With a second offense, Millhouse would have know he faced prison, getting his a__ kicked again by fellow inmates, and the loss of his dream job (working with and victimizing boys).
I still don’t know what the connection was between Millhouse and the Fairmont guy. Someone out there does. When that person speaks up, there is hope this case will finally be solved.
Yellow Bag- thank you for your responses. Yes I agree with you 1000%. The 2AM homecoming is bogus and if it did really occur it was probably someone who played a cruel prank on Noreen even if it really did happen. People do all kinds of crazy things for dares or even just to be a sicko.
I have also heard that the composite police sketch of this “Emilio” character is bogus and was concocted as well as it didn’t assume the name “Emilio” until Paul Bonacci gave it that name in 89 or so. Also that sketch lists the man as in his 40s and if you go back and read newspaper articles, the age discrepancies are all over the place. Some articles list him as in his mid 20s to 30s, some in his early to mid 30s, some in his 40s. The only thing consistent with the descriptions in the articles are that they are inconsistent in his age range and that he had beady dark eyes, looked angry had dark hair and a darker complexion so possibly like Italian or Mexican or Puerto Rican or something but probably Italian is my guess. I would like to know the date of when this first composite sketch of “Emilio” came to light. One source clams November of 82, but I’m not sure it could have been much later. One thing I am sure of is it didn’t assume the name “Emilio” until Bonacci came along, which was many years later than the kidnapping itself, which could cast doubt of the person being named “Emilio” at all, even if just used as an alias.
The only people that could solve the crimes are people who knew exactly who Wilbur Millhouse hung out with. You would think guys like Ron Sampson, who was president of the Johnny Gosch foundation and also worked for the Des Moines Register for years and a very good and respectable guy could probably at least remember Wilbur Millhouse and perhaps some names of who he hung out with at these register events, and also especially people like then Des Moines district circulation manager Lou Cooke probably knew Wilbur Millhouse very well since Wilbur worked there so long and Lou could also probably tell you who he hung out with at these register events like the one at the Old Skate East. I wish someone would interview Lou or some other old time Des Moines Register managers just to see what they remember of these shady characters. They have to remember some names of these guys even if they didn’t like them, didn’t condone their behavior or their presence at these events. These Des Moines Register managers probably knew “of” these guys.
On another website about cold cases that my Great Great Grandmother told police that her son in law confessed 2 her twice that he was the one that did it.
Did you let police know?
According to newspaper articles my 2x Great grandmother told the Waterloo PD about it but there wasn’t anything to prove it but her word. That is one of the reasons she Mr Cordell, as well as mistreating her two daughters.
The question I have is whether this case has been entered into VICAP. I assume this MO., might have been used in other unsolved cases.
As a former detective with the Veterans Administration Police, I am frustrated that LE may have lost or misplaced stuff connected with this case. However, LE sometimes holds back some details. However, after all these years why would they not share it to possibly generate some leads.
However, from different comments, there is some confusion on what was the condition of her body when she was found. Shoes or no shoes, dress torn or not torn. So it forces us to look in the wrong direction.
It would be intetesting if they have any phyical evidence, that could be retested. Also, he was found dead inside a van. Most likely it was not his. So, who was thevan registered to.
Glenn was my great-uncle. I was 15 when he was killed. He was a transport driver. He drove one van while pulling another. The vans were similar to what the older UPS trucks looked like.
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This is my grandfather. I contacted the homicide dept in Des Moines 15 years ago. They informed me that there was in fact evidence at the time, but that it has since been lost or misplaced. As far as the van, it was his employers.
I’m just throwing this out there…. anyone ever thought it might have been a gang initiation? Kill somebody random to prove one’s worth for a gang? Prayers to the family…..
No, it’s not a racist thing, like you are suggesting. He got wrapped up with some named Di or Ty, and then a man she knew killed him. My sense is they were using him and things got messy because of drugs.
Reginal – i am a very old friend of Cory’s…wondering where you heard about the “Ty or Di” info….is this something that is well known?
This is my grandfather, my mother is his daughter Sue Ann. I was two when this happened.
I am so sorry for you & your families loss!
Praying justice is done!
Like others, I’ve heard rumors for years that the killer is or was a police officer. Does anyone know, or has anyone heard, it it was a New Hampton cop or from somewhere nearby?
Thanks
I’ve also heard that. I’ve been told that investigators know or have high suspicions of who did it, but there has never been enough evidence.
Everyone is pointing fingers i have heard of a person and not the pimp who killed Lisa was i there did i see him do harm to Lisa no, I am sure Lisa did not get a ride 3 miles away from home to commit harm herself. Someone took her there where so died of an over dose and the person with her was scared and left her there to be found it is crazy. If this did happen then why has no one come forward with info. I feel it some one left her there they would have told someone and may regret living her there, but nothing has been come up. Now, if a person kills someone, then that would be a deep dark secret that will never be talked about.
Has someone looked into chad runnels? Drug deal gone wrong
Finally…..mr runnels name is coming out….. ok cops, follow up and solve this crime!!!
If G Kelly was in that attic space, at 5’2″ and thin, and emerged around midnight, he might have been identified by either of the Moores in wakefulness in the dark as one of the children.
They had no indoor plumbing, in the way of a bathroom. Perhaps it is plausible to imagine that during warmer months, the kids created late night traffic through the house to visit the outhouse in back, and as such, create a routine background noise during sleeping hours, never considered suspicious at all by the sleeping adults.
Kevin Colston: “They has no indoor plumbing; it’s plausible… the kids created traffic to the outhouse and back…”
I also considered this, but in a house with that many children (4 not counting the Stillinger girls) there were closets in each room, and they would likely have had bed pans. It’s possible they didn’t, but when you have small ones you don’t want to get up with them several times a night. You would probably have a water pitcher and basin, with a cup that older children can help the youngest with and, a few chamber pots inside their closet. I don’t know if this is true, but I heard that they had milk and cookies before bed. A mother as experienced as Sarah was, would not have given them milk immediately before bed, if she wasn’t assured that they would be able to access the toilet quickly. The youngest two were ages 7 and 5. Just a practical mom’s point of view. It still doesn’t necessarily rule anything out.
Good theory about the chamber pots. You wouldn’t want your young children running about outside early morning to use the outhouse. But then again, perhaps there wasn’t the fear we have today about our children’s safety. Who’s to know. Very tragic……very interesting.
“They have”, not “They has” – excuse the typo, lol
Good theory about the chamber pots. Wonder how strict parents were back then as far as any of the children using the outhouse at night? Everyone was so much less fearful back then.
These events obviously took place after the 2200 dismissal at the church. Maybe midnight? How dark was it? How does a killer navigate a dark house with no light, without waking someone? That house is small. One sneeze after bedtime would certainly be heard. Moore had enemies, competitors in business. Is it possible there were two killers?
He used an oil lamp with the chimney removed and the wick turned low. Same MO he used in other crimes. This was one of his signatures.
I believe it was a person that was very religious I say this because of the bacon wrapped in a towel in the kids room and i believe this person went to there church the old saying about pig in a blanket was said to be pretty much about wrapping the meat to hide that your eating it as a religious point when your not supposed to I’d look back in to all the people who went to there church I believe that’s were they would find the one responsible
Theres a new book called The Man from the Train. The author went thru old newspapers and found there were more than 20 killings like this near railroad tracks. The authors theory is that the man was a pedophile who killed families with little girls. Its gross but there was often bacon found at the crime scenes. The author thinks the killer used the bacon fat to masturbate. The killer may have been a lumberjack who traveled by train.
I grew up in Dubuque Iowa same age has Kenny joe Johnson , trust me Dave Soppe did this i remember this like yesterday because as a kid i was scared all the time after this that it would happen to me or my little brother, Dave Soppe drove around in a ice cream truck and would try to pick kids up all the time. My dad ( rip ) would run him off all the time. Dave Soppe would run his mouth to Kenny lick about doing it Kenny was a friend of my older brother about 5 years older then me and he hung out with us. Kenny got a pool table from my dad in late or early 1987 /1988 my dad was getting rid of it Kenny had no way of getting it to his home he lived with people down by the old Dubuque packing house it was a brick building , i remember this also like yesterday when me and my dad took the pool table to Kenny’s house Kenny was all shook up my dad asked him whats up Kenny replied by saying” Dave Soppe just threatened me if he told anyone about killing that kid in the carpet at Maus park he would be next “. This can be proven if they can pull up where Kenny Lick lived at that time trust me it’s where i said by the packing house. now Kenny Lick was no saint but he trusted my dad big time, a few years later Kenny lick was charged with multiple rapes around the Dubuque Iowa area. I believe Dave Soppe died in davenport Iowa. Dave Soppe would always tell Kenny if he told he would be next, yes sure Kenny lick could of made this all up, But you ask anyone who grew up there they would of told you Dave Soppe did this. I feel so bad that this has not been solved i truly think the Dubuque police messed this up like other cases. Now if you think i’m full of it look up the records about Kenny lick and Dave Soppe pretty sure Dave is dead but Kenny i have no idea we moved away from Dubuque Iowa in 90s. Hope this helps. feel free to contact me i’m 47 years old now this needs to be fixed so this young man can be in peace now. I know so much about hill crest my sisters where in there trust me this place was a joke and not good for kids. And yes we told the police the same thing before but my dad was not liked so they would blow it off.
Brian,
Can you please reach out to me? I dont know how to contact you
Michelle
hi sorry i just seen this been threw a lot over the past few years and my mind was not on it , and i been watching old cases on tv and thought about this again. you can contact me at theecheesypizzaboy@gmail.com i hope you come back here and see this please contact me.
does anyone know how i can get a hold of this person ? i have no clue how too
Yes I can please call Iowa division CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION at 515-725-6010 , Thank you
Kenny Joe Johnson rip, i grew up at this time in Dubuque i remember this like yesterday everyone at that time new damn well dave soppie did this, the guy was a perv drove a icecream truck around and always tried to pick kids up including me and my little brother. he was seen with this kids by people and police were told but fucked it all up
I spent some time looking at all the sex abuse arrests reported in the Des Moines Register from 1980 to 1987. My hope is still to identify the “Fairmont guy” who tried to get me into his car when I was a 15 year old newspaper carrier in 1982. I know the Fairmont guy and Wilbur Millhouse, a Des Moines Register employee, were acquainted.
It appears that the Des Moines Police were very aggressive in going after local pedophiles after Eugene Martin was kidnapped in 1984. There were multiple home searches and arrests, and it was alleged that there were three “child sex abuse rings” targeting teen boys in the Des Moines area. The arrested men all denied being part of a ring, but nearly all either pleaded guilty or were convicted of sexually abusing teen boys.
Sam Soda’s investigation alleged 3 Des Moines Register employees:
1. Frank Sykora (Register adult carrier, pleaded guilty)
2. Unnamed, presumably Wilbur Millhouse (Register circulation manager, pleaded guilty)
3. Unknown
The Des Moines Police raided 3 homes in February of 1986:
1. Steve Crawford (school volunteer of the year, pleaded guilty)
2. Wilbur Millhouse (arrested 6 months later)
3. Robert Robbins (young man, apparently not charged, died of AIDS in 2001)
The Des Moines Police alleged a child sex ring centered around a local witches coven:
1. Davis Graham (school teacher, leader of the coven, pleaded guilty)
2. Jerry Wintz (income tax preparer, pleaded guilty)
3. Patrick Baird (insurance clerk, partially deaf, pleaded guilty)
4. Stephen Woodcock (school teacher, convicted)
5. Larry Hoffman (declared mentally incompetent)
Millhouse told me on several occasions that Johnny was kidnapped because, “He couldn’t keep his mouth shut.” I think the key to finding out what happened to Johnny is to find that person (maybe a cop, school teacher, childhood friend, Des Moines Register employee) who remembers what Johnny was saying back then and who he was accusing.
Also, I found in my research that the Des Moines Register rehired Wilbur Millhouse in 1978 (he previously worked for them in 1969 and 1970). That was 3 years AFTER Millhouse was convicted of sexually harassing a teen boy by telephone. Millhouse was sentenced to jail time, forced to undergo a psych evaluation at Broadlawns, and the Register still hired him to work with children. Hmmm…
YellowBag, have you thought about going on the Faded Out podcast to discuss your theories?
I have been in regular email contact with Sarah, the creator of the Faded Out podcast. I may do an interview in the future. Sarah, by the way, is doing an outstanding job of analyzing the different Johnny Gosch theories, organizing them into easy-to-follow narratives, separating truth from fiction, and presenting the stories in an interesting way. I had my doubts that a young lady in Connecticut could make any difference in a 36 year old Iowa cold case, but Sarah has proved me wrong. I hear that Sarah uncovered some new information, and I am looking forward to her next podcast tomorrow night.
Yellow Bag- Does the guy you remember that tried to kidnap you and that also you said knew Wilbur Millhouse, does the sketch of “Emilio” even resemble the guy you remember? How close is the sketch to the guy you remember?
The Emilio sketch does not resemble the man I saw in the Fairmont. The man I saw in the Fairmont was only around 25 years old and he was not Hispanic. He had black hair, brown eyes, and a well-trimmed mustache. He was medium build, had a very angry look in his eyes, and he spoke with a slight accent (not a foreign accent, maybe east coast). The thing that stood out the most to me was his bright blue and orange jacket. When I called the West Des Moines Police after Johnny’s kidnapping, I told them I believed it was a paramedic jacket. If the Emilio sketch looks like anyone, it was Millhouse himself. But then again, Sarah DiMeo with the Faded Out Podcast found an eyewitness who is telling her that Johnny did not walk to Ashworth Road on the day of his kidnapping. That makes the Emilio sketch dubious.
This is only tangentially related, but in 1967 Jerry Wintz was also put in the Boy Scouts list of ineligibles. He had a long history.
I saw a photo of Jerry Wintz but he does not look like the guy who approached me in the Ford Fairmont. The guy who approached me was not heavy, like Wintz. I have seen photos of Frank Sykora, but not his brother. It looks like the Sykoras lived in the 1600 block of E. Capitol. That is really close to where I was approached–around E. 23rd and Grand. I would sure like to see a photo of James (?) Sykora.
The man who approached me in February or March of 1982 seemed very alert, angry, and agitated for someone out and awake at 6 AM. It was also snowing very heavily at the time. After he asked me for directions, he told me I should sit in his car to get out of the snow. My thought was that the man was coming home from work, not going to work. He did not look like someone who just woke up in the morning. I guess it’s possible, too, that he was wound up because he was out hunting for a victim. I got nervous because he kept looking in his rearview mirror, like he was worried about someone seeing him talking to me.
I still think the blue and orange paramedic jacket and East Coast accent are the keys to the man’s identity. If I remember right, it was Labor Day of 1982 when I called the WDM Police after hearing they were looking for a suspect in a Ford Fairmont. What are the chances there were two men trying to abduct paperboys who just happened to drive the same model and color car?
I have not posted in a while, mostly because I have nothing to add. The only new think it that I was able to get into Millhouse’s house when it was for sale this spring. There was nothing in the crawl space from Millhouse’s day except some old paint cans. There was an old fireworks box in the attic. That is kind of interesting because I heard from a reliable source that Millhouse sold or gave away fireworks to try to get boys to come to his house so he could molest them. I still think the truth about what happened to Johnny Gosch will come out. The Fairmont man, if he is still alive, would only be in his 60s or 70s. Someone out there has the missing pieces of the puzzle.
I cou;d have answered the car and driver question years ago when we spoke but you were to busy attacking my creditabilty . FYI I moved here thinking people cared, but Iowa is just as mind controlled as California is.
Are you aware that “they” socially programed one million Iowan incuraging them to sing JG songs and then say all those JG expression that act to keep the programming current. Thier plan was to gain conscious particapating control of me then use that population as my loyal base to rise me to political power. It is a political satanic cult.
I have chosen the other path that will allow me to protect the children who are traumatized and curupted into willing participation in this cult because nobody else will.
Those of you who are in the perpitratjng class act like you care but when confronted with the truth you resort to the same old tactics. Now I’m really here and you have no way to deal with me and can only try and silence me in ways that keep others from lessening to me. Those people I ask to start thinking about how damaging your actions are to the children who you profess to be seeking.
What??
The name of the guy Who was driving the Ford Fairmont that tried to pick-up yellowbags.
The location the samples were taken from Said they came and removed carpet, parts of the wall and floor. Yes Les that’s right. Blood soaked through the carpet into the floor and I hope you rot in hell.
Coming up in less then 2 months it will be five years that my little brother Freddy has been away from our family… Freddy this is ur big sister Angela Marie Dowd I have recently changed my last name I wanted to update u just in case u want to reach out or if anyone has any information my new phone number is 6414525917 so if anyone has any information please let me know and Freddy if u do ever see this we miss and love u so much…
Sorry my number was entered wrong it’s 6414515917…
Dear family and friends of Freddy. You have my hope and faith that soon you can all be reunited. My name is Charlie and I know I’m a complete stranger but I felt the need to comment. I suffer from short term memory loss and PDSD from a coma I put myself in a couple years ago. Since then I found faith and strangely have random shocking events (that shock me) at least, so before I forget this event I wanted to share my my view. Been up all night due to insomnia and a random movie came on Hulu that I ended up watching that ended maybe 30 minutes ago and it intrigued me to look up missing people around my area. The movie is called Kidnap. It’s an extremely moving film that I encourage anyone to watch. After watching it and curiously looking up missing people around me, I scrolled over around maybe 30 missing people and decided to click on Freddy first. Once I began to read I noticed the date he went missing which strangely happened to be today. I got that random strange coincidence feeling I encounter from time to time and went wide eyed again. This could be a small coincidence to others but through my experiences since I woke up from my coma I find these random coincidences a bit more strong then others can see. I ask for you all not to ever give up hope on seeing your loved one Freddy again. Life is hell without hope. Before my mind separates and I forget this I wanted to give you my hope on a safe return of Freddy, and to say I’m here thinking of Freddy and praying for the best. If you’d like you should watch the movie. The strength and faith throughout the movie is something everyone needs. Stay positive. Sincerely,
Charles L, Pond.
Council Bluffs IA.
My Aunt and Uncle know his family and said how terrible it was for them. :(
Everyone thinks he was just swept off the face of the earth.
There has to be something we can do! Can we all call the Union Country Attorney and demand he release the information?? This story has bothered me since I first heard about it :( its obvious who started the fire and killed Ricky Jr.
Please join #justiceforRicky on FB
https://www.facebook.com/1074966057/posts/10214268336597056/
I tried to research her on Ancestry, to see if they any records of her marriages. I found a Family Tree entry for her, but no marriage records. I was hoping to find when her last husband died and when. It said he died in Minnesota one place. Someone thinks the husband died along with his son died in Missouri. It might explain why she disappeared. Also the family tree did not mention her children.
I have researched all of her marriage licenses the only one I ever came across was for Charles Jackson and as I was told she never actually married the guy in Minnesota but maybe I’m wrong but I did fine a person I was connected to the carnival with the same to scars on her face and they said that she passed away in a car accident but had several different names and she was leaving the carnival about the same time same height scene hair color a little bit heavier but the timeline didn’t match up
Another question can anybody give me any information on Charles Chuck Jackson I’m trying to find any of his siblings and his obituary date for family history
I talked to Amy tonight. All of Grandpa Chuck’s siblings have passed.His only living relatives are Kathy, Amy, Chuck jr., and of course all of us grandkids.
did your mother know my mother
Amy said Eileen’s last marriage took place in Sioux Falls South Dakata
Her daughter’s don’t know all of the info. I do know her last marriage was performed in Soiux Falls South Dakato. The reason she was reported disabled is because the family believes she had a nervous breakdown due to Alan’s death and a miscarriage shortly after.
Alan died in a accident in Minnesota. They were married in Sioux Falls South Dakota.
his name was tom demsris he died releasing the band on a trucload of logsthey werent set right on the load they rolled off on himhe was adding on to farmhouse due to big family they had
He was Fern Albert DeMaris and he was my grandfather. And yes he did die in a lumber accident in Park Rapids, Mn. They were married in South Dakota
For Brian Schappert-I didn’t find a write up about him. Sept. 8, 1989. I do appreciate all
of the work you do for doing this. Thank you!
Laura, the write-up about Brian Schappert is located here: https://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/brian-schappert/
Eileen was a wonderful lady! She opened a branch of our dress boutique in Mediapolis. Main store was in Burlington. Bob didn’t want a divorce. Why is there no mention of her 2 year old daughter Mindy as a survivor. Bob didn’t want to give up his daughter. Bob has passed away now and with him – his secrets. As the story goes Bob Dill passed a polygraph test but I always wondered – his line of work and past history of physical abuse in other relationships. Only the Lord knows and those responsible for this terrible tragedy will be held accountable by a higher power.
She has two kids. I think her death put her family through unimaginable horror. Her ex was the last person to see her, he was an excavator or in that line of work. I researched her Sharon and saw that she opened a boutique. I think, argument, things got out of control and It was convienient for him to bury her at one of his work sites. The family doesn’t want to cause waves or upset those still alive. Breaks my heart
Tina has anyone ruled out the decedent 1982 in Richland Co. S.C.? It’s a longshot however this is what I research. Local LEA has been contacted.
NAMUS Has the unidentified decedent in Richland Co. South Carolina been excluded in this case?
NAMUS ME/C Case Number
82-0073
Demographics
Sex
Female
Race / Ethnicity
White / Caucasian
Possible First Name
—
Possible Middle Name
—
Possible Last Name
—
Possible Nickname
—
Estimated Age Group
Adult
Estimated Age Range (Years)
35-50
Estimated Year of Death
1982
Estimated PMI
—
Height
5′ 0″(60 inches) , Measured
Weight
134 lbs, Measured
Circumstances
Type
Unidentified Deceased
Date Found
February 15, 1982
NamUs Case Created
June 18, 2014
ME/C QA Reviewed
—
Location Found Map
Street Address
2414 Bull Street
Columbia, South Carolina 29201
County
Richland County
GPS Coordinates
—
Circumstances of Recovery
Jane Doe was a patient at SC State Hospital who was unable to provide her real name due to schizoprenia. She died as the result of an accidental fall on 02/15/1982 in the hospital. She was buried as ‘Jane Doe’ by the Richland County Coroner’s Office, following exhaustive efforts to determine her identity. Her skeletal remains were exhumed by a forensic anthropologist in 1996 from the county cemetery, as part of an effort to revisit efforts to determine her identity.
Details of Recovery
Inventory of Remains
All parts recovered
Condition of Remains
Recognizable face
Physical Description
Hair Color
Brown
Head Hair Description
—
Body Hair Description
—
Facial Hair Description
—
Left Eye Color
Blue
Right Eye Color
Blue
Eye Description
—
Has anyone excluded 1982 Richland Co. S.C. Jane Doe?
NAMUS Has the unidentified decedent in Richland Co. South Carolina been excluded in this case?
NAMUS ME/C Case Number
82-0073
Demographics
Sex
Female
Race / Ethnicity
White / Caucasian
Possible First Name
—
Possible Middle Name
—
Possible Last Name
—
Possible Nickname
—
Estimated Age Group
Adult
Estimated Age Range (Years)
35-50
Estimated Year of Death
1982
Estimated PMI
—
Height
5′ 0″(60 inches) , Measured
Weight
134 lbs, Measured
Circumstances
Type
Unidentified Deceased
Date Found
February 15, 1982
NamUs Case Created
June 18, 2014
ME/C QA Reviewed
—
Location Found Map
Street Address
2414 Bull Street
Columbia, South Carolina 29201
County
Richland County
GPS Coordinates
—
Circumstances of Recovery
Jane Doe was a patient at SC State Hospital who was unable to provide her real name due to schizoprenia. She died as the result of an accidental fall on 02/15/1982 in the hospital. She was buried as ‘Jane Doe’ by the Richland County Coroner’s Office, following exhaustive efforts to determine her identity. Her skeletal remains were exhumed by a forensic anthropologist in 1996 from the county cemetery, as part of an effort to revisit efforts to determine her identity.
Details of Recovery
Inventory of Remains
All parts recovered
Condition of Remains
Recognizable face
Physical Description
Hair Color
Brown
Head Hair Description
—
Body Hair Description
—
Facial Hair Description
—
Left Eye Color
Blue
Right Eye Color
Blue
Eye Description
—
I am Bob Dill’s daughter. I am amazed how Eileen’s family are so eager to trash my father even though he was proven innocent with a polygraph test. I guess they forgot about the time Eileen disappeared with her son Derek and was later found in Texas living in an apartment as if she did nothing wrong. Poor Stan went through hell finding her and getting his son back. Makes me believe she was the Jane Doe in the mental hospital in SC.
Also, not long after her disappearance, I seen her in person in Gulfport Illinois at a night club. I reported it and gave them a picture of her. There was an investigation and the bouncer at the club confirmed he seen her. There was a class reunion going on that night and she was with another man.
As you can tell, it has been years and I remember that day still. I could go on and on but prefer to let the Detectives do their job.
I have not seen a single thing written or otherwise by Audreys’ family saying anything negative about your dad. Polygraph tests are not solid proof, especially in the 70’s.
He was the last person to see her in Iowa. Trained authorities listed her as= involuntary missing for a reason.
Why would she go to another state for a reunion?
I do not believe she would just up and leave her two children.
I know it must be difficult to ever believe a loved one committed such a crime… but it does happen.
Didn’t she have a 2-year-old daughter Mindy? I was the owner of the dress boutique in Mediapolis where she lived. Eileen loved life and was looking forward to being divorced. Didn’t Bob kick his first wife while she was on the floor and broke her hip? That is the story she told us. I will never forget the day she went missing. Yes, everyone thought Bob was guilty – backhoe, she would have fit in an empty garbage can – soo soo sad!!!! No one leaves their purse, a birthday cake for her daughter and clothes in the washer… Just too many questions that will probably never be answered. Bob is gone – and with that his secrets.
Yes Sharon she had a daughter Mindy and a son, she would not have just left her family and children. It is well known he abused her and his first wife. The detective said the last person to see her was Bob and as we all know polygraphs might help but they do not prove a thing.
Pretty convenient he had a excavating company. She was tiny, would have been very easy to put her body anywhere. I do not believe she went to Illinois for some school reunion. Wish there was a better picture of her on her though.
I know he is gone, one thing helpful with that is I believe he had to answer to our maker. We just won’t get justification or closure here on earth.
Your father choked Eileen till she passed out. Whatever mistakes she made in the past doesn’t change what he did to her. Don’t ever bad mouth my sister again.
I was always told that during the time of her initial disappearance, Bob had poured a new cement slab and on it had built a garage at their home. I wondered why no one had ever had it dug up to check.
Is this her husband? http://www.kmaland.com/news/braddyville-man-arrested-on-multiple-charges/article_8617269c-ad0e-11e7-832f-03eedf59c90d.html
yes
I Donna L. (Monson) Booth married. Traveled to the funeral with our father & young brother, Darin.L. Monson. Denease was also in a Women’s Crisis Center 2 weeks before her death due to extensive injuries by Robin. Her funeral had to be closed casket due to the injuries new & old. Seeing the extensive abuse on her young body was crushing. Robin Latham is known to have been verbally & physically abusive on an ongoing basis, dating back to their life in Blackfoot, Idaho in the mid 1970’s. She returned to Idaho with her 3 young innocent boys in 1985, seeking relief from Robin’s abuse. Family & friends saw the lengths Robin went to abuse her. Her death was tramatic for everyone that knew her, dieing 2 weeks before her 25th birthday.
Please, if you have any information that could help solve this case, contact the Unsolved Case Department in Iowa.
Thank you, Denease’s Families & Friends.
Mrs. Booth, would you consider a telephone conversation sometime. I’ve been researching Denease’s case for the past five months and could really use some help and perspective about her. Thank you. You can reach me at the Oskaloosa Herald 641-672-2581 ext. 424. My hope and goal is to put her story out there that somebody might come forward or evidence comes to light. Thanks again. -Shelly, Herald staff writer
I find it frustrating that the now sheriff, is claiming that her death was accidental. Since, he was a senior person in the sheriff’s office, he should have referred the case to another agency. I hope the State of Iowa would take a look at it.
Craig’s mother most likely does not want to acknowedge that one of her sons had a hand in the death of his brother. He also may have been involved in the death of Kim, or knows what really happened.
Now they are stating case is closed just like my family’s cases both closed kims case was suspious then closed and my mom dad and 2 brothers died in fire christmas day this year and they say undetermined but wont even look at all evidence or speak to all siblings
First of all, I apologize – I realize I’m a little late in reading this.. I hope with all the time that’s passed, you have been able to obtain some answers and get the closure you deserve.. Someone else asked about the 2 guys that were there/and a part of Kim’s demise – did the Blue grass sheriff’s department speak to them?
Julie, I’m so very sorry for everything you’ve been through.. I don’t know if I mistook your family’s home catching on fire the wrong way, but it kind of seems like maybe it was a message from the authorities to hush?? God I hope not. Please let us know how you’re doing!! You’re very strong and courageous, don’t ever forget that!
I will never understand why investigators don’t speak to all family members before making decisions.
Julie Loose
I agree. I’m so sorry for the losses you and your sisters and brothers have endured. This sherriff sounds like an ass. I wish there was a good private investigator who would take your case for free.
I checked Ancestry and found a South Dakota marriage record for a Dwane Dreher (30), who married Lois Irene Genzler (18), on June 6, 1952.
However, a Family Tree posted on Ancestry, shows that Lois Irene Genzler was born on October 6, 1936. So that would make her like (16) years old.
That might explain him getting a marriage license in Mason City, Iowa to marry his now (18) year old wife Lois Dreher.
Also, the Family Tree entry shows that he may have lived in San Diego. California in 1953 or 1954. But there was no link to an official record to support it. A David Allen Dreher, supposedly was born there on December 1, 1953. He died on November 6, 1977, at the age of (23).
It makes me wonder.
Good job!
We are now approaching 35 years of an unsolved case. DNA technology and the evidence should be enough to try the monster. If Terri was white, he would have went to trial years ago. She should not be forgotten and this crime should not be forgiven. Take some action and give the family some peace. Native American women are murdered at TEN TIMES the National Average…35 years should be enough time to figure it out. Stating that it is still being treated as an open unsolved case is an insult to the Native community. If this was your daughter, or sister, or cousin; how would you feel about this time warp?
Frustrated with a Heavy Heart.
Tjay Gill is a GooD Guy and from what i Gather from him and a friend whos mom was actually dating the Guy that did this to my mother..
The scpd knows who did it and im for sure this guy did it to i want to expose this guy on facebook he has a account on there talking about where he lived and what kind of gun he had and that he use to frequent the place they found my mom and he lived within a 5 block radius of the place but i dont want to mess up any legalityz or anything..
what is the name of the accused??
Tom popp
Nate, Tom Popp has NOT been accused in your mother’s unsolved murder. This conversation is treading on dangerous waters. There are cases that have a considerable amount of circumstantial evidence, and as we’ve seen in the past, that’s often what it comes down to when a completely different person is charged and arrested. Coincidences are bound to exist in any case.
Jody @ Iowa Cold Cases
Well Hopefully EverythinG Vomes To LiGht Soon..
I respect your opinion Jody Thank You
Thank you for understanding, Nate. This case means more to me than you know not just because of Terri, but because it was one of the cases I covered for the Weekender series long before ever launching the Iowa Cold Cases website. This is why her case actually has an article title and the same reason the original content has not be edited.
I understand the frustration of a loved one’s case having been cold for so long, and 35 years is a long time to wait for answers, but I do stay in touch with SCPD and know this case is important to them.
Most interesting, I think, is the irony in Sunclades’ words about the true perp eventually screwing up and getting caught. In today’s world, the possibility exists that one of the perp’s close or extended relatives may unwittingly help solve the case by having submitted his/her own DNA through a genealogical organization like Ancestry.com or 23AndMe. DNA and genetic genealogy is now solving decades-old cold cases in record numbers across the US. Hopefully, it will catch up with your mom’s killer in the very near future. All my best to you, Nate.
Terri was my Aunt and her murder deserves to be solved.
whats up Family..
me n my son live down here in omaha now.
we went by uncle pats house.Condolences fam..
but nobody answered..
i would love for you to meet my son and i wanted to catch up with you guys..
Love yall..
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With another anniversary fast approaching, has there been any new information or national interest in broadcasting her case again?
Funny how Nate was right all along:
https://www.kcrg.com/2025/01/13/man-arrested-1983-murder-terri-mccauley-sioux-city/
I was just thinking that!
But.. But.. wait! Look who was right all along! Tom Popp has now been accused and arrested!!
Unfortunately MPD is far too busy to reopen the case and investigate. Evidence has been lost so the story goes…. I for one have written letters to numerous agencies trying to get justice for Amber…. always the same answer it is out of hands…. The beat thing thing this family has is each other and knowing the fact there is no statue of limitations on MURDER!!!! He was tried for kidnapping and was found not guilty….. There is still a murder charge on the table and I hope for the sake of Amber’s family he will be blessed with the murder charge and found guilty….. how this POS sleeps at night is beyond me….
Sounds like you all were there and know exactly what happened that horrible night. What are the facts, as I myself do not know because I wasnt there or around. From what I can tell is that a perfectly innocent child was taken from her home, where she was left by her monther in the care of said Les Brockert? And from there I have no idea until a schoolmate of mine found a part of her. So can someone fill in the missing pieces? From being at home, to being scattered across Port Louisa.
#angelbaby
Any new updates on this case?
Also, he may have suffered from what we know s shop as PTSD. Also, did he ever seek medical treatment from the VA. Also do you have any of his military service records. There were several VA hospitals in the Chicago area at the time.
The other thought is that PTSD is a trigger for a psychological disorder called ‘Dissociative Fugue’, which causes a form of amnesia, where the person completely forgets their name and quite often flees a source of trauma, such as marital discord, a death in the family.
Quite often they will adopt a new name. There are recent cases of this and others dating back many years. A guy was missing for 23 years with this disorder in Australia. He was actually found a week before a hearing to dclare him deceased. He had remembered his name and applied for their version of Medicare. They found an entry in the records.
It would be interesting if he exhibited any signs of strange or odd behavior. Also, did anyone track down the woman mentioned in the marriage license application in November 1954.
I do have his military records. I also believe he has PTSD as he mentioned being fired upon by planes and subs.
It sounds like he was a part of the U.S. Navy Armed Guard, these men manned various guns installed on cargo ships during WW II. So they were extra protection against attack by U-boats and German aircraft especally on the runs to Murmansk, Russia.
I’m going to put forth my theory, crazy as it may sound. I think the father did it.
Look at it with forensic psychology. Of all the victims, the adult male’s face was completely demolished. This happens for two reasons – 1 – the killer is in a rage, or 2 – the killer is trying to obscure the identity of the body. The whole house speaks of cool calculation, not a crazy rage.
And there is this – how could so many people be killed quietly with so much violence? My answer is that they were drugged. Something slipped into a bedtime glass of milk, say?
Now the obvious question is where did the dead man come from? The same source where most of the suspects come from – the train, and the transients who walked through town. The father could have offered him a job, some charity like new clothes, or food. The father might have killed him in advance (since time of death determination was really crude at that time) or arranged for him to come to the house late at night. The man could have been poisoned in the kitchen (the uneaten meal) or with blunt force that was then obscured by the axe blows. The father dressed him in his clothes and finished the job.
For a few loose ends, the food and bacon left the impression of an outsider. So did the cigarettes, though those might have been smoked while the father waited for, you guessed it, the train. He slipped out into the dark and went to start a new life.
Makes sense. They could exhume and compare dna.
I’m not gonna lie, I just started doing deep research on this murder case and all of these replies and comments have me thinking! This case and all of the conspiracy theories are crazy!! I wish I could see the actual legal reports and the evidence so I could look at it! It would be super cool to have an actual answer to the biggest US crime case of “WHO DONE IT?”!
I agree very much with you Serena. I have also been looking into it and the world needs answers.
Cannot help but think this has a connection to the 1904 Ella Fox murder done with an axe…too much in common.
If someone was to do the research, think it would be discovered that many other cases exist….this is the kind of thing that CANNOT be a solo act…just has to be others….this kind of Psycho doesn’t stop at one or two….
What an interesting theory! I personally keep thinking it was the father too, or perhaps a teenage boy close to the family or part of the family.I get a sense of a secret and pain perhaps abuse and the need to cover it up or to end it.
What if the preacher witnessed it (just a thought), What if someone committed the act but someone with their own issues went in the house after?I also feel have this feeling the mother might of been a main target out of anger and hurt. Was the father having relations with Lena? So many thoughts.
The house is close to a train track you can hear it from the ghost hunting videos.
It also states there have been 2 dozen similar murders throughout the Midwest, did the father do these as well?
Arrest has been made:
https://www.ourquadcities.com/news/arrest-made-in-1992-murder/
Why isnt Alex Micheal Bullerman’s case not on here ? Did they not even investigated more ?
Hailey, this is Carol Kean, filling in for Jody, who’s battling breast cancer. i’ll find out why the case isn’t posted here. “Gang related,” police say, but still no arrests or convictions. https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/2-people-injured-after-shooting-near-UNI–456810433.html
“Police say Alex Michael Bullerman died after a shooting in the 2300 block of Olive St. He is 18 and from Waterloo. Police found him in the backyard. One hour later they found Dylan Gehrke. He has been treated and released for a gunshot wound.” Apparently, Gehrke hasn’t been able to ID the shooters?
Hailey, I added a case summary page for Alex Bullerman on Nov. 5 about a week before the one-year anniversary of his death.
Thank you for remembering him! Jody at ICC
Wow, I used to live in that gray house showed in the video and pics referenced in the linked article when I was a student at UNI. That is literally one block from the NE corner and “The Hill” where the bars, etc. starts.
It’s very unfortunate. I certainly don’t recall any gang activity at the UNI campus – and I spent a lot of time on “The Hill’ back in the day.
Edit: “That is literally one block from the NE corner of the UNI campus and “The Hill” where the bars, etc. starts.
I FEEL BAD FOR THIS BABY AND FOR THE FAMILY BUT WHO WOULD EVEN DO THIS TO A 7 1/2 MOUTHS! OLD THEY MUST BE A PHYSIO
SUP YALL
Maybe Martha did it???
I wonder what the protocol was for showing the model home. I would like to think that you called and asked when you could visit, or did you just show up and walked in.
Also, was it normal for some from the realtor to be working in the model home. Was, there someone there every day, or just on Friday, leading into the weekend.
Was, the door locked or unlocked when someone from the realtor was working. Also, did she let the offender in. Was, there any fingerprints anywhere on the home.
Realtor is always spelled with a capital R. Martha has never been to Iowa. All the questions are valid, however model homes are consistently left unlocked if an agent is on the premise. All Realtors are real estate agents or brokers, however, not all real estate agents or brokers are Realtors. Realtors belong to the National Association of Realtors as well as the state and local associations, and has A Code of Conduct with very specific standards, just a bit more info you may not have in your repertoire. Martha is the author of the upcoming book, possibly completed in November, To Real Estate Agents and Brokers — Homicide and Other Subjects You Slept Through In Class. Be advised the number one cause of death of an agent on the job is homicide. Respectfully, Martha – a Realtor and licensed Broker in VA and NC.
Reading through the information, had I been Eric or Chris, I would have recommended meeting with the Investigator at the police department. What if Chris or Eric were the perpetrator? Anything is possible, and there has not been any other communication regarding this since February 10, 2018. Does anyone know if there has been an arrest? I am writing a book for Agents and Brokers – Homicide and other sujects you slept through in class. Homicide is the number one cause of death for agents on the job. Martha
https://fox42kptm.com/news/local/family-of-boy-killed-in-2001-fire-says-officials-are-not-doing-enough-to-solve-arson-case
Please add #justiceforRicky group on FB to follow the case and see documents that haven’t been released to the public.
ALSO IF ANYONE HAS ANY INFORMATION OR WANTS TO TALK NOW PLEASE GET A HOLD OF ME ON THIS PAGE ASAP, thank you.
My prayers to all the families. Let me say, I am not accusing anyone. My grandmother had a saying, if something isn’t where it’s supposed to be, check EVERYWHERE. Here goes…I hate to say it, but cases go cold because close evidence goes un checked. If you go back to the 1st anomaly, the boy allegedly did his route alone for the 1st time. Why didn’t his brother go? Did he really leave the house? New incidents of family hurting family, even accidentally was too harsh to be considered by police or the community back then. I am not throwing shade or saying I know the family or town. Just offering my opinion as a person who has seen the dark side of families through child welfare. The boy had a scar and a wrist break but no mention of his playing sports, (red flag #2). I think the towns folk should be questioned again, especially the school staff& neighbors. Someone knows more, but back then you didn’t speak on how a parent raised a child due to sovernty of a home and the religious beliefs not to judge. At this late date, someone has something to confess before meeting his or her maker. A polygraph test should be brought in.
I pray the property in & around the home is searched and clues to this poor boys body can be used to lay him to rest one way or another.
My gut feeling is that this one literally hits close to home. As for the witnesses to his talking to another male, in small towns, one day is the same as the next, so the witnesses my have gotten the dates mixed up or there may be a cover up. The description is too vague. As for the pedophile ring theory, plausible. If the father was ill at the time, then Eugene may have been coerced by the promise of money for doctors & medicine, in exchange for his “time”. There are all sorts of newspaper want ad’s written in code, offering cash for young men. Maybe an employee at the paper told Eugene to meet with someone who could “help” his family situation, but he had to go alone. Maybe the dad knew of the meeting and was against it, but gave in eventually, only to lose his boy. And he couldn’t come forward out of guilt or threats. And why on one poster it said eugene wore a crop top (“boy-toy” apparel for that day), but other reports say a sweatshirt? (Red flag #3), Then the manager finds the boy’s bag and finishes the delivery without ever going to the boy’s home or school to confront the kid? (red flag #4) either way. I say check the home& family, ask at the school. There is more to the story, at the beginnig.
There were found to be a few “Chesters” working for the Des Moines Register. One was incarcerated for sure and another was a known pedophile. There was a prostitution ring in Des Moines. The police and detectives knew it. Route managers knew the boys routes.
Nice analysis Cold case enthusiast. Same principle might apply to the Gosch kid as well. For years, block on 45th Street in West Des Moines where Johnny lived had a low chain link fence around the perimeters of the homes that are along Ashworth Road. Now, there is a 10-foot wooden privacy fences along the same property boundaries. As for the “Chester,” start with Frank Sykora and Wilbur Millhouse, both Des Moines Register circulation managers at the tome bot boys went missing. According to one former newspaper carrier, Millhouse said “Nothing would have happened to Johnny is he had kept his mouth shut.
According to some, all detective James Rowley would have had to do then or now was go talk to or polygraph or interrogate a member of his own then city council that happens to still live in the same town for the information. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Wonder why this never happened?
This fact that this case was never solved is insulting to the Martin family given the wealth of knowledge of the scrupulous characters that swarmed around at the time. This case and Gosch stink to high heaven of blackmail.
I agree with what you wrote. I would also add the complicity of non LE.
We were in elementary school when Eugene broke his wrist! I was with him when it happened!!! He fell off of the backside of the viaduct beside Willard school! I am the one who ran back to school and got help! And as for the scar on his knee… really? Most kids have scars on their knees… that in no way points to being abused at home!!! If he was abused at home there would have been a lot more than 1 scar!!!
He was my friend and a cousin to one of my childhood friends, he was a very kind, loving and compassionate boy from a very loving family!!!
I agree kids were in no way the way they are now outta control n disrespectful hell to have a paper route back then was just the beginning of learning to be a responsible young man
Eugene went to Willard but lived on the southwest side of Des Moines?
The article states Eugene enjoyed football and skating. He could certainly injure himself doing either one of those things.
I’ve been hurt playing football. My sister broke her wrist skating. Your “red flag #2” isn’t plausible
Anyone can have a mean bone in their body. I just hope questions are answered and this baby can finally get the peace he deserves.
Brandy please go watch the story on FOX42. That’s all I ask of you.
https://fox42kptm.com/news/local/family-of-boy-killed-in-2001-fire-says-officials-are-not-doing-enough-to-solve-arson-case
A few people have said on here, oh she doesn’t have a mean bone in her body, she could never do this ect ect ect. The fact is, YOU NEVER KNOW. Yes, she has been founded for Child Neglect. The paperwork from DHS does not lie…especially after multiple times. This was before Ricky died. Who’s to say that after it happened, she didn’t have a coming to Jesus moment, change her life around, become this great person you all claim that she is? Probably got her self saved and thought she was good to go…does not change the facts! It was deemed arson by official investigators. The child had an accelerate doused on him before being set on fire. People are saying let it go let him rest in peace, let the family get on with their lives ect…That can never happen till the truth has been known! Do you think Madiline McCanns parents have stopped wondering and looking? Natalie Hollaway? There are too many what ifs to let it just go. And if you are any type of parent at all if it was your child you would want to know too.
Robin, I applaud you.
Thank you!
I think the whole thing was a cover up. The mothers relative was part of the neighbouring country attorney team. I knew one of the fire fighters that was there when they discovered little Rickys body. I happen to be Ricky Neal Morehouse III ‘s great uncle. The cold case crew for this incident should have the dacking or authority to get the files needed, released to open this case back up. Murder holds no statute of limitations. The case needs to be open and people brought to justice for this obvious hellatious crime. Just get it done please.
A family member of the father im bitter about how this has never been solved and justice served. County attourney was her uncle which is a conflict of interest on all accounts. Everytime .Visits made and reports of spoiled milk forks on floor or unsafe environment by DHS he wrote them off. so dont you think he is going to protect her in this? someone needs to take his files and stand up for Ricky please! Thanks Robin M and justice
I never heard about this case. Another Tech High grad was murdered in October 1983. His name is Jeffrey Deaver. That murder is an unsolved case as well. The weird fact is that Pennye was murdered one month before Jeff was killed on Jeff’s birthday.
Do the know what accelerate that was used?
This would be a question for Rachel… not being sarcastic, I’m serious.
Lighter fluid
Robin for one I was raised with that family, yes I I haven’t been around for yrs, but I do keep in contact with them. Also you can’t say that Rachel is my friend when you have no clue, I talk to Rachel, she was at a funeral the same as I. Do I have hard feelings for her, No, I guess I feel the entire story not just one side or what I’ve heard from this person or that person. My brothers beat beat f was shot point blank in the head, murdered, his fiance was also shot and survived, yesterday marked the anniversary of nothing being solved, my cousin was hit by a rock truck, he took his own life because of the brain damage he endured from that, do I hate anyone involved no, but I can stop to feel both sides. As I said before I didn’t say she did/didn’t do it, but it’s not meant to be online bashing people because in the end what will you get from it, it’s gonna make more hurt feelings, and you still have a baby that’s gone.
You don’t keep in touch with Rick, I assure you of that. If you are keep track of him as well, it’s through a third party. So no, you don’t know Rick.
You’re right, I don’t know your relationship to Rachel as you defend her so much I assumed you were friends.
What do I get from this? I get justice for Ricky. Nothing more, nothing less.
No not everyone knows the history as you, Rachel, Rick, and Reggy do. I just don’t agree that being online dive bombing everyones comment is gonna help anyone in the end, as you can not use any of the things you have exposed in a court setting now.
You’re right, not everyone knows the history like we do. We are trying to get it out there though and we will use every avenue available to us.
I reply to people because I want people to see the truth, as does Rick. I’m just more active on the internet than him and I have his full blessing. Ricky deserves justice. This is all for him. He didn’t deserve what happened to him. Everything can still be used against Rachel since there is no statute of limitations on murder.
I know as her friend and a mother yourself, it’s hard to imagine this happened. It was for us at first too. Obviously, you’re not going to change your mind today, but maybe someday when it all comes out. That will be soon. Just keep an open mind when you hear or see things about your friend that you probably don’t want to.
I don’t know you, so I have no hard feelings against you. What you are doing is what you think is right. I totally get it. Like I said, this is all for Ricky. I will never give up until justice is served.
I’m not here to say yes or no, but I do know alot of people whos hearts have hurt because of all this. I as a mother couldn’t imagine to purposely murder your own child, but as I have found mine almost dead from suicide.
Because I know she’s switched nursing jobs around this time. That would be why. So no my comment wasn’t foolish.
No she didn’t; she transferred from the Atlantic Care center to the Lenox one. At that time it was the same company that owned both. I do not know if it is still though.
If she’s so guilty and have all these signs of her doing it, then why in the hell isn’t she paying for it, that’s right she pays for it every day just like you and Rick do, and his grandparents. I can’t imagine what it feels like to lose a child, but again there’s another child involved, the last time I seen Rachel in February, obviously Reggy still communicates with his mother and has that right, again I truly believe Reggy is the one who’s suffered the most out of this entire thing. It will never bring Ricky back, nobody will truly know what happened that day except the baby that’s in heaven.
That’s a perfect question to ask to Tim Kenyon. So go ask him. Make him explain why he failed at his job in representing Union County. I believe that has already been explained too though. It seems you only read what you want to.
I actually agree with you that Reggy has suffered more than anyone in this. I have never said he doesn’t communicate with her. I have even stated they had a good relationship up until fairly recently, when she tried to pawn her bills off on him.
We all know what happened. Some people just don’t want to admit it. Rachel herself places only her, Ricky and Reggy at the scene. The Fire Marshall also has determined the fire was arson. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
Pretty soon, and I mean very soon, people are going to see the truth. It has been years in the making, but it is going to come out. Rachel knows this as well. I wish I could tell you everything, but you’ll see soon enough for yourself.
It’s been five years since this comment was made. Are their any updates to this case? Has Rachel been charged?
Hello,
Unfortunately, even though the death certificate was updated to the correct and factual cause of death… Union County will not proceed without new evidence. There are people out there … even a few at the scene of the crime, that police have not spoken to. They do not want to come forward and speak with law enforcement, due to the corruption and possible backlash from certain individuals.
And the mother…..
Robin I’m well aware of what was said in other statements, and I myself know how the process goes when hired or already working at a place. Thank you though for attempting to point that out.
Then your comment was foolish to make if you know.
I have searched everywhere and can not find the address this took place at. I am curious at to the apt bldg supposedly straddling county lines or city/county lines. Could anyone provide an actual address so I can study the Creston map online?
It has been a lot of years ago and my memory of exactly where this woman lived is very fuzzy in my mind. I can’t give you an exact address, but I believe she lived in a small apartment bldg on Townline Road.
This street runs east/west at the north edge of Creston and at that time would have been the north city limits.
Highway 25 runs north from US Highway 34 toward the west side of Creston, then makes a 90 degree turn to the west. This is Townline Road. The apt would have been a few blocks to the east.
I hope someone can give you an exact address but hopefully this will help give you a general idea of where she lived.
I did not know her but did know Sheriff Loy and also knew Marion Manley who was on the Police dept. Manley was from my home town 32 miles east of Creston (Osceola, Iowa)
I knew both men personally. Totally trusted Manley. I had no idea of Loy’s affair and was very shocked when this came to light. He did not seem the sort to be anything but upstanding & honest.
I am sickened by the fact that this woman’s death was called an accident and so much was done to cover up the affairs.
She may well have died as the result of an accident, but the truth should have been told then. The cover-up was obviously, at the very least for the face saving of the County Attorney & the Sheriff.
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The investigation was a complete joke. They didn’t do shit to solve this!
Interesting…What makes you say this if I may ask?
That fucking killer still walks the streets and more people than me know it. I’m not going to write a book on here but the investigation was shit. That young man deserved better
He and the entire family and friends deserved better. This totally should have been solved and have to believe the investigation was totally botched.
Without naming names, do you feel comfortable indicating the motive?
I just can’t believe this wasn’t solved. Maybe starting at the motive can shake things up with the investigation?
In 1985 I was 17. I was at a police station in northern California when I saw the police sketch of an unknown Jane doe who was Bambi. It is something I always remembered. I prayed she would be identified. Rest in peace.
There’s been an arrest made in James Remakel’s murder in Bellvue:
The police should probably look into Ronald Dilley and his father Cliff (who died shortly after Greg’s disappearance). Anonymous reports have been made regarding these two including reports that RJ told people about this crime. Considering Cliff served time for attempted murder and RJ is currently serving time for murder, the police maybe should’ve took those tips seriously.
Casey, I really hope you get the chance to read this. It sickens me to no end, how an “entire family” like yours, would go as far as “making/reporting a false alibi” to protect one of their own, for a crime the “entire family” knows damn good and well what your mother committed. Everyone knows that she didn’t act alone. Lie for her, try and play all innocent that she couldn’t have done such a thing. For Denial is a Sin that WILL NOT go unpunished. You and your “entire family” are all crazy and crooked. Know this, Terri will meet with her Maker, for what she’s done. Just because she got away with murder for 31 years, and was found not guilty, and walks free, makes me happy knowing that Judgment Day for her can’t come soon enough, and I guarantee she will ROT in Hell! Along with her accomplice(s)!!!
DNA has been around since 1992.
Why did it take 40 years to do the DNA test?
It’s not all lies. They need to be checking with the schools to see what info they have about these kids welfare. They will find it’s all TRUE.
the kids are doing real good and are happy
Jim you are full of shit and you have not known them that long so guit lying OR SHOULD I CALL YOU
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My ex wife and i use to pick up Kim in malmore she told us how afraid of les she was. Les Kennedy is An evil man I believe him and his creepy son killed Kim. Les was pointing the finger at everybody. I believe he did that to keep attention off himself. I believe Kim’s mom knows Les did this and she is protecting Les just like she did when Les was molesting the kids. I hope Les rots in hell.
LIES! I’ve seen the reports Les. I don’t know how long the paper trail has to be to get those kids out of there but I hope it’s soon. They will never talk because they are terrified of you but something don’t need words. Your day is coming Les. It’s coming.
I know the Kennedy family for 27 years and what there saying about them is bull shit
I truly believe this is Les. The grammar and punctuation are deplorable. He is defending a man and woman ( Les and Joyce ) who have already killed one child and are now being charged with abusing a second generation of children. As for the screen name, he pours salt on the wound by misspelling their last name and using a common moniker for the now deceased Jacque as a first name. This man has terrorized a family for two generations, his wife is no better for allowing this to happen to her children and now her grandchildren while disguising herself as a godly woman.
I have read nearly all of the cold case files on here and this one haunts me. It defies belief. People do not vanish in one or two feed of water. Were scent dogs ever brought in? I only ask because going by the everything mentioned only a predatory animal could have snatched the poor boy that fast and taken off with him without anyone seeing or hearing it. Perhaps a mountain lion if it got his throat on its initial attack. Otherwise the screams would alert attention. I do hope my suspicions and/or comments do not offend anyone.
https://globegazette.com/news/local/mason-city-rail-cop-honored-years-after-unknown-transient-killed/article_9c32f140-bd8b-534e-ab12-3df92671b345.html
Fascinating story. It’s so nice that he was honored in this way.
Can any of the critics of the police identify the county attorney, and all the assistants, on the street? Can the critics identify the district judges on the street? But the police drive around in marked cars, and in uniform, easily identified, so they are the target of all the blame. Here is an idea for the critics. Apply for a job as an officer, and see how the other half lives. And when you kiss your spouse and kids goodbye for work, you will be wearing a gun, and it could be your last goodbye. Or, next time you are assaulted, or are the victim of some crime, don’ t call the
police. Call the ACLU, and tell them to work the case, or intervene in the bar fight!
F. Lee Bailey when asked if O.J. was guilty, said ” It matters not whether he is innocent or guilty, all that matters is what the State can prove in court.” Rumor, innuendo, here say, and speculation are laughed out of court. FACTS are what are needed to convince
A jury to convict, or not. So before people blame the police for everything, they should really stop and consider how our system works. A lot of times people who hate the police have their own history with the police, and have a record. And by the way, stop trying to get out of jury duty.
You need to keep your opinions about rape and assault in your fucking brain or someone is gonna teach you a lesson
Yellow Bag- You mentioned this character with the Ford Fairmont you thought he was wearing a blue and orange “paramedic” type jacket or maybe it was possibly a vest. Reflective high contrast safety vests or jackets are worn by folks in all kinds of professions. Baggage handlers at the airport, bus drivers, highway workers, railway workers etc. Tow truck drivers, long haul truckers and repo guys too.
I suppose it’s possible. It was snowing like crazy that morning, so he could have had any job that required a reflective jacket. Since I saw the man later with Wilbur Millhouse, a DM Register circulation manager, I wonder now if any Register employees had jobs that required the wearing of blue and orange reflective vests. One other thing that puzzles me: the man had dark hair, brown eyes, a mustache, and an average build, just like the “Emilio” sketch associated with the article above, however, the man who tried to get me into his Ford Fairmont was only 25 to 30 years old. I don’t remember thinking the man was Hispanic, just a Caucasian guy with dark hair and a very angry countenance. I distinctly recall that the man had an accent–not a foreign accent, but I got the impression he was not originally from Iowa (maybe New York, New Jersey, Boston, or somewhere else on the East Coast). He stopped and watched me for a while, then rolled down his window and motioned for me to come to his car. He asked me for directions to Ankeny, but then insisted I get into his car so I could get warm and he could help me finish my paper route. Six months later, when I heard Johnny was kidnapped by a guy in a Ford Fairmont, I had no doubt it was the same man.
Yellow Bag, did you see the comment from a girl named Sarah that does a podcast about the Johnny Gosch case? I’d be interested in hearing your story further and answering a few questions if you were to do an interview with Sarah. Just wanted to mention it again to be sure her comment didn’t get buried.
I’ve started listening to her podcast and it is really good. She is thorough in her research.
I am a daughter of sandy… is there any addtional information on this case. how do i go about getting information on my mothers case?
Tammy if you ever see this please contact me. Email is thompaap47@gmail.com.
I would really, really like to know who “MT” is in this article. If anyone knows, please respond.
We bought a foreclosure a year ago in Keota, knew nothing about the town, etc. and had a stalker within the first couple months of living here. Having never lived in such a small community, I innocently posted an ad in the local library with a photo of my child and I (from behind) walking in an apple orchard, name, and contact information seeking childcare. Within a week we had some sicko pervert pedophile contacting me via a blocked number, saying disgusting things about what he was going to do to me when he “catches me” and that he watches my child play in our back yard. I reported it to the local police, they subpoenaed the harassers number via my cell company but they refuse to give it to me! All he tells me is he “isn’t local” which actually makes me think he IS local and is being protected.
After reading this article, I am definitely not surprised and it makes me even more uncomfortable living in this town :( I do not even go outdoors alone at night because we do not know who this person is. Nor do we really know many people, in general.
For a town recognized as “the most extroverted town in the US” via Wikipedia, it couldn’t be farther from the truth.
KJ,
So sorry to hear about your experience in my beloved town.
I would suspect that you’ve experienced some crappy luck.
We are very friendly.
We’ve had things happen but from my observation, every town does.
The town is presently investigating building a day care. Might suggest you go to a council meeting and inquire about volunteering for the committee.
Also, look up the Facebook group, Moms United in SE Iowa. Its geared towards moms networking and is run by a great local gal.
I’ve actually been discouraged from attending a school board meeting when I inquired about the dates.
Maybe I am “making too many waves” here? I tried to start a girl scout troupe, to no avail. I am unnaturally outspoken here, which is strange b/c I am an introvert but I just feel like more should be done that isn’t being done.That being said, I don’t know much about living in small town, rural Iowa.
I know there are some really good people here (our neighbor is like family, sweetest person I’ve ever met reminds me of my grandmother) but everyone here is related so it’s hard to acclimate to the environment. I’ve never lived in such a small community. I was hoping it would be more like I had envisioned small towns to be.
Please don’t be offended. I am ignorant in regard to rural Iowa.I guess just imagined outgoing, friendly neighbors, and block parties like I experienced in AZ.
And we acquired a stalker within the first few months of living here. That doesn’t exactly make me feel comfortable here.
I was told this pervert in the article referred to as “MT” is now deceased so he cannot be our stalker, which is more unsettling b/c it’s hard not knowing who this person is. There is something so terrifying about someone calling you, by name, and telling you that they watch your child play and basically want to brutally rape you. I clearly never should have put up that sign in the library. Whether he was just doing it to scare me or not, somebody doesn’t want us here.
Thanks for the info on a “moms group” I will have to check it out.
School board meetings are generally open to the public. Minutes and agenda are posted in The Keota Eagle.
Might want to get associated with one of the local churches.
Report this stalker to Doug Conrad.
Volunteer in her child’s classroom. I know it’s the end of the year but you might be able to still get in.
It must be very difficult to move to a small community when you’re not from the area.
Go ahead a message the administrator for the Moms from SE Iowa. I know that she would be delighted to hear from you.
I understand it’s open to the public but I was discouraged from coming.
And I did report the stalker to the local police officer to no avail.
It’s fine. I am pretty sure we are selling and moving out of area.
I’ve seen enough.
I’m sorry that you’re leaving.
Keota is a really nice town.
Sounds like you might have gotten off on the wrong foot.
Good luck.
Yeah well, I don’t think I am the problem but thanks for reiterating why I am leaving :)
You were wise to move out of Keota. That gal that was acting like it was your fault…was a few years younger than me in school. She married into a family with a big farm and money. She’s in la la land. Be glad your daughter was in school in Kalona! No, I’m sure they don’t have block parties there. People sit in their garages and drink beer. They wear Hawkeye gear like no tomorrow, but most of them never left town to go to college.It is sad that no one looked for Aaron. If he had the right name, they would all be looking. I wouldn’t move to Keota if you gave me a free house and paid me. Hope you are happier now that you’ve moved on.
KJ, I doubt you will look at this, since it has been a month since you posted. I actually agree 100% about this town. It is probably “beloved” if you have the right name in town. A friend of mine moved here and her daughter was assaulted (high schooler). It was he said/she said and the he was from a well connected family in town, Well, you can imagine how that ended. They ended up moving after 3 years. It was so hush hush, that probably no one knows that this happened. You won’t find block parties in Keota.
Keota is not friendly and very unwelcoming. I’ve been here 8 years. My kids spent all of 2 weeks in this school and was moved back to Washington schools as my daughter was tormented and called nasty names and one certain kid had all the boys calling her the nasty names in the halls and then she had enough and punched him square in his nose in the middle of class after throwing pencils at her. I FINALLY got a call from the school after that incident. As far as the town cop investigating. It’s who you know and who you blow for him. We had brand-new tires stolen out of our yard, along with my husband’s child hood redline bicycle frame and a few other things. No report was made as police officer Conrad never came to file a report. But let my dog get off the chain and they do everything they can to deem her dangerous and fine us and take us to court to get rid of her. Sad that this man Did not get the attention he deserved and needed to be located back then because of who he was and where he lived. This town is unpleasant and If we didn’t own our house outright with no mortgage I would have packed up and left week 2 of living here!
#aaronpate
I never knew my uncle Amos but Elmer was my father. So hope and pray this cold case
gets solved.
May I inquire please how you did not know Amos Jellison yet Elmer Jellison is your father? Thank you kindly.
Me and my older sister, Lois, were children of Elmer Roy Jellison.
My mother considered her in a common-law marriage with Elmer.
My mother’s name was Mary Ernestine Larkey but know at the time as Mary (Marie) Leidigh. Elmer never accepted us as his to
keep face with Ethyl, his second wife.
Thanks for the info Yellow Bag. Maybe Sykora took over while Millhouse recovered from the heart attack. The key to the case is motive and you have presented a compelling motive for Johnny’s disappearance and most likely murder. However, that begs the question, why was Martin killed? Did he or was he about to expose some of the same illicit behavior Johnny mentioned. Johnny had to talk about what he knew to at least one of his parents, or maybe law enforcement.
Noreen book has an interesting story at the start talking about the events leading up to the disappearance. She discusses how Johnny left his seat at a Friday night Valley High School football game two times, and both times, Leonard Gosch found Johnny talking to a West Des Moines cop under the bleachers.
There are so many things that make no sense on this case. I could go on for hours. One of the strangest is Johnny’s step siblings have never been interviewed by the media and frankly, I have no idea where they live. According to Noreen, both step-siblings were present at what she refers to as “The Last Supper.
The fact that both boys went along to deliver newspapers for the first time the3 day they disappeared speaks volumes about what happened.
Unfortunately, I do not have any first-hand information on the Martin kidnapping. In the summer of 1983, I started to get creeped out by Millhouse calling me every night trying to talk me into coming to his home. When I refused, I heard an anger and an evil in his voice I had never heard before. Also, as I posted before, three teens boys who were visiting a girl across the street saw Millhouse dropping me off at my house after buying me beer. The boys lived in West Des Moines and had delivered newspapers there. When Millhouse was gone, the boys warned me that Millhouse was a “faggot” and that I ought to stay away from him. I stopped answering my teen line phone, and I told my mother to tell Millhouse I was not home every time Millhouse called our home phone. Around that time, I also had a vivid nightmare that Millhouse tried to drag me into his car. I took that as a warning from God or my subconscious that I ought to stay away from Millhouse.
I did not know this until recently, but I spoke with my mother about Millhouse, and she actually remembers him showing up at our house one night when I was not home, shedding crocodile tears because I quit talking to him. Around that time, Millhouse had his heart attack. I turned 16 and had a car, so that fall I was able to find a better job and leave the DM Register.
Last night, I was able to confirm through online research that Millhouse died in 2015. He is buried in the Leavenworth National Cemetery with a military headstone that mentions his Vietnam service. In some ways, I am disappointed Millhouse is dead. I had hoped an investigator would get a chance to question Millhouse about what happened to the missing paperboys. It also steams me that Millhouse was buried with military honors. I am a combat vet myself. I don’t care if Millhouse killed 100 enemy soldiers of saved his Army platoon. After the war, Millhouse was a convicted pedophile and admitted accessory to a kidnapping at best, and possibly a serial killer at worst. That ought to negate any military service he had. His body should have been disposed of in a trash dumpster!
My best guess is that Millhouse was the “brains” of the Register’s pedophile ring, and the Ford Fairmont guy the “muscle.” There were several other Register employees who hung around with Millhouse. One in particular I will just call Slimy Dufus Guy (I cannot remember his name). Since Johnny’s kidnapping happened 35 years ago, Fairmont guy should only be around 60, and Slimy Dufus Guy 55 years old. There must be multiple people out there who know exactly who Millhouse hung out with and what happened to Johnny and Eugene. Hopefully, one of them will read these posts and speak up.
Hey Yellow Bag,
Thank you for your insight. I hope one or more people speak out after reading the posts left here.
Here’s my email address:
dedicatedwriter69@gmail.com.
You have written about Millhouse and Sykora. Lou Cooke took Johnny for an airplane ride over the Des Moines area as the reward for winning a sales contest. Did you ever deal with Cooke or Charles Edwards Jr., who was the Circulation Director at the Register during the time when Johnny disappeared?
Don Potochny and Yellow Bag, I don’t know if you saw my comment but I do a podcast called Faded Out, in which I’m following the Johnny Gosch case with the goal in mind to solve it. This is genuinely fascinating information that you’ve both brought forward. I’d really like to talk to each of you. My e-mail is fadedoutpodcast@gmail.com. Don, I see you put down your e-mail address, so I hope it’s okay if I send you a note this week.
Hello Sarah. I apologize for not responding to your message from May 3.. My tunnel vision made me miss your comment. I will check out your podcast for sure and feel free to email me at your convenience.
Hopefully Yellow Bag will get in touch with you because he is the one who has made all of the contributions shedding new light (at least for me) on the case.
I typically enter the Johnny rabbit hole at night, but not every night. If I do not respond to an email promptly, it is most likely because of my workload as a freelancer.
Take care.
Hello Yellow Bag.
I have been independently researching the JG case for awhile now. I live in central Iowa, and have previously lived in Southside Des Moines. I would love the opportunity to talk with you about your knowledge on the case. If you are interested in speaking, please reach out to me. ouimetbridgettel@gmail.com
Thank you!
Don Potochny, you say: “Noreen book has an interesting story at the start talking about the events leading up to the disappearance. She discusses how Johnny left his seat at a Friday night Valley High School football game two times, and both times, Leonard Gosch found Johnny talking to a West Des Moines cop under the bleachers.”
Do you know of Leonard Gosch has ever backed this up?
Listen to Faded Out. He doesn’t believe most of what Noreen said. Someone at the paper probably took Johnny.
Hello Yellow Bag.
Millhouse was about as tall as Johnny, but weighed around 10 pounds less than Johnny.
I remember driving back to Des Moines from St. Louis several times and there was no development around Four Mile Creek. You are correct the perp had little time, but he did have 45 minutes before sunrise. On September 5, 1982, the sun rose of course, but thick clouds darkened the sun’s entrance into the day.
I’m thinking more along the lines of a remote area back then that no one would walk through, such as what is now Four Mile Creek Park near Easton Boulevard or Strasser Woods State Preserve. The Bottoms works as well, since it is near the Des Moines River.
The fact that both Johnny and Eugene Martin did not leave any evidence of a struggle tells me both boys got into a car driven by someone they knew.
I have read about the Morris murder and read Millhouse’s Register quote.
Hey Don,
The reason I suspect the Bottoms is that Millhouse tried to get me to drive out there at night and meet him behind his house. I see, now, that there are some houses behind his house, but that may not have been the case back in the early 80’s. There has been a little bit of development in that area. I may drive out there sometime and take a look.
One other thing that puzzles me is why Johnny and Eugene were both kidnapped on Sunday mornings. The Sunday morning newspaper routes were completely separate from the Register weekday routes. When I started delivering newspapers, the Des Moines Tribune came out in the afternoon, so there were actually 3 separate newspaper routes in each neighborhood: the Tribune, the weekday Register, and the Sunday Register. One carrier could take all 3 routes if he were ambitious, or it could have been 3 different carriers.
I can only speculate, but the Sunday newspapers were very heavy. It was impossible to carry a full route of Sunday newspapers in our yellow bags. Unlike the weekday newspapers, the Sunday papers were dropped off in front of the carriers’ houses. We had to take them indoors and actually assemble the newspapers. Since the Sunday newspapers were so heavy, it was best to “stage” them along the route, then go back and deliver them. If the kidnappers were Register employees, which is what I believe, then they may have offered the carriers rides to help stage bundles of newspapers along the routes. During weekday routes there would be no reason to offer or accept a ride.
Also, I wouldn’t rule out Marc Allen’s abduction just because he was not a newspaper carrier. Millhouse had a heart attack in 1983 and stopped working for the Register at that time. When Millhouse was arrested in 1986, he apparently was using some kind of telephone “chat line” to meet teenage boys. Losing his job with the Register changed Millhouse’s approach to his sexual crimes.
I took the time this morning to read Eugene’s page on this website. The detective in the case questioned why no newspaper carriers were kidnapped between Johnny (1982) and Eugene (1984). Remember, Millhouse almost died from a heart attack in 1983. It took him a year to get back on his feet. Another pretty startling coincidence.
I know Handlon did this. He was my cellmate in Sheridan, and used to talk about Delaney quite a bit.
Where is the money?
Please email me with more information. Delaney is my uncle.
Saracasper1@gmail.com
hope whoever is responsible will be held accountable for their actions :(
I was born in Sioux City and lived the horror of the Davis and Bremers murders. I was attending Irving School at the time. We lived 3-4 blocks from Irving. My father had the most direct route from school to home figured out , and if I deviated from the route, he was out looking for me. Things were never the same after these two events.
Please one more thing continue to watch over your boys in the rest of the family Darius 💰💰 please one more thing continue to watch over your boys in the rest of the family Darius 💰💰💰 could be deployed with the year maybe eight months just please keep your hands over them as they take on these journeys of life Love you forever and always rest in peace David love you to the moon And Beyond
Well David it’s April 2018 I miss you more and more every day and I know you would be proud of your boys Greedy is getting yourself out of trouble and Darius 💰 Will David it’s April 2018 I miss you more and more every day and I know you would be proud of your boys Greedy is getting yourself out of trouble and Darius 💰💰💰 well you know he was the go-getter he’s a junior in college and deciding to maybe transfer to the army out of the Marines he wants to go on for more years of college to graduate with his masters and David wants to get out and he’ll take care of his mom these kids remind me so much of you day in and day out so many memories and so many of your traits come through them I miss you more than life itself I just want you to know how much we miss you and we will be to see you and there’s never a day that goes by that I don’t think about you I drop a tear at least once a week You are my knight in shining armor and nobody is ever set up to be half the man that you were to me I love and miss you dearly
My mom lived a couple houses down from his family on 27th and E.Grand
There was a group of pedos working at Register at the time Gosch and Martin were abducted. There were also several subsequent abduction attempts after 1984, as meticulously researched by someone who started a Reddit thread.
More than on online poster has called out Millhouse and Frank Sykora, the latter whom was fired from the Register in late 1984 for having molested at least seven Register paper boys.
For a few years, Noreen was all over the Register connection. She even implored parents not to deliver for the kids to deliver for the Des Moines Register.
Yes, Johnny and Eugene were victims of a pedophile ring, but the ring operated in Des Moines, not Omaha.
Is it just me or is it odd that the manager found Eugene’s papers outside of des moines, and finished his route? How the heck did he know where to find them?
Sorry about the late reply, Cw. What’s just as strange is Johnny Gosch’s father finished his son’s paper route after finding the abandon wagon.
That said, the trail for finding who took Johnny and Eugene goes through Des Moines, not Omaha. Des Moines Register Circulation Manager, Frank Sykora, went to prison for molesting 7 Register paperboys. We was outed by Noreen’s private investigator, Sam Soda.
Omaha involved high profile politicians and business leaders. In Des Moines, it was Register Circulation Managers. According to one former Register paperboy, Circulation Manager Wilbur Millhouse told people “Johnny wouldn’t have disappeared if he had kept his mouth shut..”
Johnny either told his parent or law enforcement, or both, because shortly after the Register transfered Millhouse to a much less lucrative route on the east side of Des Moines and with his job hanging in the balance, Johnny disappeared.
Not odd at all, he kneow the route, he started where the first complainant said they never got their paper and worked backwards, finding the papers abandoned he probably figured the kid abandoned his job and just quit.
“There was a group of pedos working at Register at the time Gosch and Martin were abducted. ”
And at the local churches, and at the supermarket, library, nearby businesses, schools, daycare centers, retirement homes etc., in short- pedophiles are EVERYWHERE not just working in a newspaper!
I think it is possible John Norman Collins killed her. It is similar to his killings. Could he have passed through Iowa in Jan of 68?
It’s been a while since I read the book, but that’s exactly what I was thinking, StephieG.
I really don’t know why but I’ve always remembered this case. I didn’t know Ramona and had no idea who she is until I heard about her murder. I would love to talk to family members to let them know that she’s being remembered even by strangers who didn’t know her.
“A friend stopped by Pruin’s home the following day and found the door open about four inches, the keys still in the outside lock. After calling out to Pruin and getting no response, the friend left.”
Some friend..
Did this friend already know what was inside if he or she went in?
I was witness to a confession to the murder of Melvin Gallagher by one of the participants to my mother while living in RR Black Hawk county south west of Eagle Center, Iowa. “Bub” White a cousin by my fathers ‘aunts’ grandson was “laying low” because he and his father ‘Bob’ White had killed a service station man in Waterloo with a 20 ga shotgun while robbing a gas station. Bub was at my mothers’ house during the following fall coon hunting season and this was his way of “laying low” to get the heat off. I have tried for the last eight or so years to clear this matter up with the Waterloo police, the last contact as late as last summer. No confirmations or actions acknowled by same.
WPD, Has this tip not been followed up on?
Because the cops are dumb as a box of a rocks, stupid, and not accountable to anyone.
Kelly, the WPD had no interest in reopening the death of Debra Dawn Sadler mentioned in a comment below when I got in contact with them. They apparently believed the mother’s story that she had died of massive head injuries after falling off of a chair. Incompetent fools. I grew up in Eau Claire Wisconsin where back in the 1960’s the cops weren’t buying into anyone’s story about a baby falling down and dying- in Eau Claire this stuff got prosecuted as child abuse even back in the 1960’s. I know that you are commenting about a NON-child case, but the WPD’s pattern of not following up and not doing their jobs is demonstrated by their nonchalance about a baby being beaten to death.
A new book titled The Man from the Train makes a good case for whodunit, saying this wasnt an isolated case….
I agree with Mr. Kerrigan. Has her vehicle been found. Has it checked through the National Insurance Crime Bureau, to see what information they might have. I am sure the police would have the VIN on the vehicle.
Also, there is no further information on the cause of the fire and whose bedroom was damaged. Also, what property can’t they search. It would be nice to purchase it and then the authorities to do whatever they need to search it.
Law enforcement asking for help identifying human remains found in rural Cerro Gordo County.
We’re they identified?
We still wait to recover BethAnns remains.. Please.. Her kids and extended family still suffers today.. The small bit of info could crack this case open..
Yes, they are remains of an Arkansas police officer.
My thoughts are something happened in her bedroom and the boyfriend who claimed she was still alive was lying. My condolences for her family. Not knowing is the hardest part.
That case may have been on Investigation Discovery
I have always prayed that this case would be solved. Thank you for the cold case work.
Jim Weaver, Grinnell High School Class of ‘77
Friend of Camille Njus
I’m sorry for your loss!
Praying justice is done!!
I’m thinking it was the older man she was seeing.
Hi, I am Camille’s cousin and wondered who she was seeing at the time of her death? I was a child when this happened, but I never heard about him as a possible suspect.
My daughter knows someone who has told her things but said she would deny it if anyone was told. Pretty sure plenty of the same group of people know what happened to my brother.
What does your daughter know Marcia?
“She was last seen at her residence in Mediapolis by her ex-husband.“ that is what I found out from the case detective
Pretty sure her ex husband who operated backhoe equipment did it. She lived next door to her ex in laws and he was the last one to see her. I am guessing there is lack of physical evidence
Is this man dead yet?, can’t find anything on IIT as yet from a different country, but very sure new guilty of a lot more crimes as such
I think the one who had robbed her 1 month before is a goodvsuspect
Barbara, appears to have suffered a bout of dissociative fugue, which is a version of amnesia. This is triggered by depression, PTSD, marital discord. The person loses all their regular memories, assumes another identity and flees the source of trauma.
She most likely is some where in the country, possibly living on the margins. I recommend that her family reach out to the Salvation Army, and many of the well known homeless shelters. One of them is Pacific Garden Mission.
I thank you so much for the information
Sounds like it was an accident on a foggy morning with the culprit leaving the scene. But we are being fed accusations of deliberation with no motive being provided. The whole “video speed” argument is inconsequential as even still images should have sufficed. I am led to believe the judge allowed this argument because an over zealous district attorney was not being allowed to throw the book at him. Again, I am only assuming this from this page and the local news videos provided. Please enlighten me if I am wrong.
I should clarify that if the DA had decided to charge him with manslaughter and leaving the scene that the video speed argument would have been struck down.
A poster on another forum spent considerable time researching a timeline to the attempted abductions of Des Moines Register paperboys after Gosch and Martin. Millhouse went to prison and shortly thereafter, the attempted abductions stopped.
Research I have performed indicates Noreen at one time believed the Register was protecting an employee who was considered a pedophile I wonder if the employee was Milhouse.
Hi Don,
From what I remember, Wilbur Millhouse was very angry about being transferred from West Des Moines to the Fourmile area of east Des Moines shortly before Johnny was kidnapped in 1982. Millhouse did not tell me why he was transferred, but he did tell me he had fallen out of favor with Register management and that his job was in jeopardy. Millhouse asked me to help him with a little scam in which Millhouse would pay me to gather names and addresses of Register non-customers, offer them the newspaper at no charge, record them as new customers to temporarily inflate Millhouse’s circulation numbers, then gradually cancel the new customers later. Millhouse paid for those newspapers out of his own pocket so he could keep his job.
Millhouse told me that he was not Johnny’s direct supervisor, but that he knew Johnny because Johnny delivered newspapers in an adjacent district in West Des Moines. Millhouse told me on more than one occasion that Johnny was kidnapped “because he couldn’t keep his mouth shut.” Millhouse became visibility agitated and angry when talking about Johnny Gosch.
This is pure speculation on my part, but I wonder now if Millhouse’s transfer had something to do with the Register finding out that Millhouse was a pedophile. The Register may have been shuffling circulation managers in the 80’s the way the Catholic church shuffled abusive priests. Millhouse was a big money-maker for the Register; I Googled Millhouse’s name and found an old Register page from I believe 1979 or 1980 reporting that Millhouse was “circulation manager of the year.”
It has never been publicized, but I suspect now that Johnny either told someone or planned to tell someone about Millhouse or one of Millhouse’s Register associates grooming or trying to sexually abuse him. Millhouse’s anger toward Johnny may have been due to the fact that Johnny got Millhouse transferred and nearly cost Millhouse his job. I was just a teenager then, but I would imagine that many of the Register employees from the 80’s are still alive and would be able to provide more information about Millhouse and the pedophile ring that existed within the Des Moines Register.
Just for clarification, nearly all of the circulation managers I worked with as a Des Moines Register paperboy were good people. Millhouse, though, was a sexual predator who hung out with a very small group of creepy men. After 35 years, I can remember a couple of faces, but no names. I distinctly remember that Millhouse brought a couple young men (approximately 18 to 20 years old) with him to Register functions. Millhouse introduced them as former paperboys of his. I suspect now that they were involved with helping Millhouse in his evil deeds.
Hey Yellow Bag. Sorry for the delayed response. I checked back here a few times for about two weeks after I posted my message. Your reply was not there. Pretty weird.
I want to ask you if you knew two Des Moines Register paperboys at the time you delivered Register newspaper.
Shawn Williams and Brian Hikock. I have met Brian and he says he delivered Register papers near the route Johnny deliver Sunday Registers. I know about Shawn because I used to work for his mother at a Court Avenue restaurant between February 1983 and August 1984.
Also, I have conducted research by reading the microfilm documentation of Des Moines Register newspapers starting the day after Johnny disappeared until about two months after that. There are plenty of discrepancies between the official story told by Noreen now and what she believed happened to Johnny back in the 1980s.
She was quoted in a northern Iowa newspaper in the 1980s warning parents not to allow their kids to deliver Des Moines Register newspapers because she believed the perp in her son’s case worked at the Register.
Thanks for the reply!
Hi Don,
The names of the two newspaper carriers don’t ring a bell. Then again, 35 years ago was a long, long time.
I remember my manager’s name before my family moved and I went to work for Millhouse. She was a nice lady who went by “Bert,” I am guessing short for Roberta. She would have known Millhouse since they worked together. Millhouse’s boss was a pretty blond lady named Vicky. I worked for her after Millhouse had his heart attack in 1983. I Googled her name, and it looks like she still lives in the DM area. If you want her last name, please give me an email address and I will contact you directly.
I try to check the ICC website a couple times a week to see if any new information has come up on the Johnny Gosch page. An investigator I spoke with was honest enough to admit the law enforcement investigation had serious flaws, and chances are police will never solve this crime. I feel like I have laid down the few pieces of the puzzle I have held for many years. Other people are adding pieces now. Maybe at some point, a writer or investigative reporter will put the pieces together and finally solve the mystery of Johnny’s disappearance (and probably Eugene and Marc’s too).
I have never met Noreen. I left her a voice message and sent an email, but she never responded. My guess is that she was correct to initially suspect Register employees in Johnny’s disappearance, but later got duped by private investigators. From what I’ve read, it was common practice in the past for private investigators with no real leads to create elaborate conspiracy theories involving politicians and powerful people. That would justify years of investigation, explain their inability to get an indictment, and keep their paychecks coming the whole time.
If I were working to solve Johnny’s disappearance, I would try to locate former Register carriers and employees (as you are doing). It might also be worthwhile to check Millhouse’s former property. Millhouse lived in the area people used to call “The Bottoms.” On multiple occasions, Millhouse tried to convince me to drive to his house late at night without telling my parents. Millhouse called me one night saying there was a cute female carrier there who was looking for a teen boy to have sex with. Millhouse another time said he had a rich gay friend who would pay $100 “just to look.” There were other times Millhouse said he had work for me to do there. His excuse for wanting me to come late at night is that he did not want to wake his elderly mother. I am glad I had sense enough to stay away from Millhouse’s home, but I wonder how many boys did go there. If you Google map Millhouse’s old address, there is a wooded area and a pond directly behind his old house. Hmmm….
Also, the guy who drove the Fairmont was out in a blizzard and looking very wide awake when he tried to get me into his car around 6 AM. He looked like a guy who had worked the night shift and was just getting off work, not like a guy who just woke up. He was wearing a very distinctive blue and orange jacket, leading me to think he was a local paramedic or fire fighter. I don’t remember seeing any insignia. I suppose he could have been a Register employee, but why the jacket? It might be worthwhile to research if any employees of a local fire department or private ambulance service were ever convicted of sex crimes in the 80’s.
I am certain Millhouse was involved in Johnny’s disappearance. Heck, was going around back then telling everyone why Johnny had to disappear. My mother is still alive, and she remembers Millhouse saying something strange about Johnny to her. What I don’t know, is if Millhouse was “ringleader” of the Register’s pedophile club, or if he was just the guy who rounded up boys for other men to abuse. I am optimistic, though, that someday the truth will be revealed and this huge mystery will be solved.
There was another DM Register circulation manager, named Frank Sykora, who was convicted of sexually abusing carriers in 1984. Sykora was apparently cleared by polygraph in the Gosch and Martin disappearances. Whether Sykora and Millhouse had any connection, I do not know.
Thanks for getting back with me. The poster who uploaded a map of the attempted newspaper carrier abductions post Gosch and Martin has performed some amazing research. At this point, he is the leader of the movement to discover the truth.
I will leave you an email address at a future date. Spend some time reading the Des Moines Register microfilm resource at the downtown branch of the Des Moines Public Library.
I’ll check out the possible Sykora-Millhouse connection. I think there is something there, considering they worked for the register around the same time.
Marc David Allen should not be connected with Gosch and Martin. His disappearance had nothing to do with a Sunday morning paper route. He disappeared in the middle of the afternoon.
I find it strange both Johnny and Eugene disappeared on a morning when it was the first time either boy had an adult accompany him on a Sunday Register newspaper route.
Hello Yellow Bag,
I have not forgot about sending you my email address. I am in the process of creating an author and writer site. Once I establish an email address for the site, I will forward it to you.
You have provided helpful information and yes, I would like any names you can provide to perform research in addition to what I have done reading Des Moines Register microfiche stories of the case.
One thing I have thought about the past couple of days. You mentioned Millhouse was transferred to the Flour Mile area of Des Moines, which is on the east side. Back in the day,Four Mile Creek ran through mostly undeveloped land and today-outside of Pleasant Hill-it still does.
There has bee speculation for years the perp dumped Johnny’s body along either Walnut Creek or Jordan Creek. Heck, even Noreen claimed not one, but two psychics told her she could find Johnny’s body near a creek.
Why not Four Mile Creek? You said Millhouse had it out for Johnny for at least exposing the actions of pedophiles who worked for the Register. It is possible that if you are correct, Millhouse and one or more of his sick buddies killed Johnny and buried him on the east side of Des Moines.
Hi Don,
I think that if Johnny was dumped along a creek, his body would have been found long ago. Those urban streams may look desolate in places, but there are mushroom hunters, hikers, kids catching tadpoles, walnut collectors, and even homeless people frequenting those creek beds.
Millhouse lived on Maury Street, right next to Dean Lake, in the area people call the Bottoms. There was not much there in the 80’s other than swampy places, trees, junkyards, and slaughterhouses. In 1973, David Morris, a Jewish grocer who had a store directly across the street from Millhouse, was robbed and murdered. Morris was shot in the back of the head with a .32 caliber pistol. A neighbor named Robert Braather said that Morris was killed in the store two hours after it closed, and that Morris would only have unlocked that store door for someone in the neighborhood he knew quite well. Hmmm…
Interestingly, the Des Moines Register also interviewed Millhouse, who would have been working for them at the time. Millhouse talked about how well-liked Morris was, and said of Morris, “When I was little, he used to give me candy.” Millhouse also revealed that he (Millhouse) had lived in that neighborhood since 1955. I have speculated enough about Millhouse on this website, so I am not going to type it, but you know exactly what I am thinking!
If Johnny was killed to shut him up, which is what Millhouse was blabbing about right after Johnny disappeared, then it is likely the kidnapper already had a plan to dispose of Johnny’s body. The sun would have come up soon after Johnny’s disappearance, so the perp would have been in a big hurry to get Johnny out of West Des Moines and into a remote area (like the Bottoms) before daylight.
Millhouse had a sexual interest in teen boys, not in younger ones. Millhouse’s last sex offender mugshot showed him at 5′ 7″ and 130 lbs. Johnny was actually bigger than Millhouse. Millhouse, though, was part of a small group of pedophiles, some of whom worked for the Des Moines Register. If Millhouse had help, possibly a gun, and maybe some previous experience with killing, well, you may find yourself writing a very interesting book.
Hi, this reply is for Don and Yellow Bag, and anyone else on this thread providing all this information. My name is Sarah DiMeo and I do a podcast called Faded Out, in an effort to solve the Johnny Gosch case. You can find it on iTunes, Spotify, iHeartRadio, pretty much all avenues for podcasts, or the direct link fadedout.libsyn.com. I’ve been obsessed with Johnny’s case for well over a year now, and I started the podcast in February while I was a student at the Connecticut School of Broadcasting. I would really really like to talk to each of you. Please give my podcast a listen so you can see the direction I’m aiming for, and please e-mail me at fadedoutpodcast@gmail.com.
Bernice Row was hit by a hit and run driver on Oct 20-1940 in Sioux City, To my knowledge no one was ever arrested for her death. Her death certificate reads: Homicide? Accident?
I’m sorry when Bernice was killed her name was Bernice Henshaw
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I am curious, how could there have been a spent .44 magnum cartridge casing laying on the floor if he was shot with a revolver????
Mike, thanks for catching that; obviously it should have been “slug” rather than “casing” and I’ve corrected that. I’d typed up the initial case summary based on notes from phone conversations and email correspondence with others, along with references to the data cited from Gary Peterson’s post at the findjodi.com website. My fast-typing fingers appear to have gotten ahead of me as I went through my notes. Can’t believe I didn’t catch it at the time. Thanks again.
Okay if it was the spent bullet laying there it would have had to go through him and I thought the report said that the bullet went into the ceiling. It would have then had to fall next to the gun. Makes no sense.
I would have shot those bastards entering my property as a clear threat. Family is so important, sometimes the law is corrupt when big dollars are involved. However there are good cops and detectives out there that could solve this. Sounds like a movie with small town rednecks and a redneck sheriff. Come on to my property and see what happens. This is devastating and I feel so sorry for this family!!
Corey, My Appeal to the Supreme Court of Iowa 17-1933 for the Polk County Courthouse Dismissal of my Civil Rights Case CVCV046761 (saying it was untimely) charges the State of Iowa and the Iowa DNR to honor my Civil Rights, my Rights to my Property, my information, denied since 1993 including contaminant well test reports and even the information and evidence of both the murders of my husband, Gary and son, Adam Lack after their murders and my harassment by the Iowa DNR’s Dale Adams and Russ Tell and Iowa FSA’s Charlie Heiderschiet since 1993. And the Iowa DNR had promised to warn the 1/2 million Iowans in Russ Tell’s mapped out Plume of contamination in 2009, but at my deposition in June of 2015 promised again that in just 45 days from my deposition, they would warn well owners in the Plume, and restart investigations into both Adam’s and Gary’s deaths. Then both my attorney and the Asst. Attorney General’s attorney reneged on their promises and claimed it was to POLITICAL to tell Iowans they were drinking the Koch Brothers Anhydrous Ammonia Nitrogen fertilizer. So the Republican leadership claimed they could not tell Iowans of the Anhydrous Ammonia levels increasing to unheard of levels that were documented increasing in the Iowa DNR published research of Paul Johnson and Robert Libra. I tried to get the Iowa DNR to alter their Chlorination Protocol, so the Iowa DNR stops advising well owners to Chlorinate Source Water testing high in Ammonia Nitrogen as (N) and Cyanobacteria as that causes the release of very carcinogenic Cyanotoxins and Trihalomethanes and other decontaminants into Iowans drinking water, as it did into my home’s, pets, and farm animals water. I have spent $40,000 on attorney fees so far on this Civil Rights case and was promised the Iowa DNR would warn Iowans in the Plume back in 2009 however Russ Tell has still refused to warn the 1/2 million Iowans whose health has been put at risk in this one Plume. I have been refused an attorney to represent my Rights to safe drinking water, my property Rights, and my Rights to Protection from harassment, or even my Rights to Justice or Rights to Life in Iowa for my family and Downstream neighbors for this civil rights suit that I have to file pro se, please help me find an Iowa attorney to stand up for the 1/2 million Iowans in this one documented growing Plume mapped out by Russ Tell. Veronica Lack
Hi Veronica,
I am terribly sorry for the loss of your husband and son, such an awful thing.
I’m not saying that I don’t believe what you are saying, sounds like you have a lot of proof. None of it sounds far fetched at all…money is the root of all evil.
I have a question, how do you know that impala turned and blocked the road? Maybe you have that info, maybe a witness? Just curious if only that car and your son were there.
Like I said, I believe what you are saying, this just popped in my head.
It was either Deputy Hintz or Sheriff Younker who mentioned something about that, when I was filing a request to Prosecute form. I had identified Brody Mitchell’s Chevy Impala and who I thought was Bradley Johnson jumping into the passenger side (light came on). As Adam drove home from Poet’s Ethanol Plant on the night of 7/12/2008.
Is Mr. Douglas a military veteran? thank you
Charles was my nephew he was a very great father to his kids everybody loved him we all miss him his laughter his loving us we just want the people that know what happened to my nephew to come forward and say what they saw and help catch the person that did this to my nephew it’s been too long and we want Justice for him and we want it now there’s other family members on here that I feel sorry for and I hope they all find Justice for them to nobody in this world should have to go through what all these families are having to go through somebody needs to come forward and tell the truth and be honest because I know there’s somebody out there and I know this is eating them up so they should just come forward I will miss seeing him grow up I will miss seeing him get married I will miss everything about his life I love you Charles forever and always
I can’t even freaking believe what I just read I was only 6 I wish I could have met my cousin.
As pauls sister, who always looked out for me when i needed him too, 2019 we still have not been notived about any kind of closer or neither found out who had done this. Paul never hurt no one…. Paul i think of you often, i wonder what you would like at the age of 51 ,where would you be living, would of you had a family a wife, i just wish you were here…. With love your sister michelle brule, stephens, bell
Lies. She has never been on child abuse registry & has always had custody of the boys. There also were never any unexplained injuries. Although stepmom continually reported her to DHS, no reports were ever found to be true.
Judy/JAJones,
I have seen the reports…yes, she was founded of child neglect/abuse… multiple times. Have you asked Rachel about it?
Perhaps, you’re unaware that ‘criminal’ charges are not always pressed when someone is founded of child abuse. Basically, someone can be on the child abuse registry and not have a felony or misdemeanor for child abuse…make sense? Why would someone not be charged criminally one would ask? Well, great question…the last founded report from what I can tell was finished after the fire. In the report, it was recommended that Rachel be criminally prosecuted…however, she never was.
Would you like to see the reports? I have them all and I’m willing to show them unlike her. It wasn’t just me that reported the injuries to Reggy either. Several people did including the hospital. They called because we couldn’t explain his broken leg. Why couldnt we you ask? Because she couldn’t either and it happened in her care, yet we were the ones to finally take him to a doctor. That and he had stiches above his brow, completely bruised up back from being hit by Jeff, and was involved in a single car accident while riding with Jeff because Jeff was driving drunk.
Show us your proof, as they have showed us theirs…Just saying.
False statements are here. The mother spent several days in hospital due to injuries. Twin brother smelled like smoke as he was rescued from house by the mother.
Why would they lie about the boy smelling like smoke?
Damn!! She is one ugly woman. She needs the firing squad. My ex wife was charged with child endangerment for slapping my son around. She lost her rights as well. And this fat piece of white trash still walks the streets??! You must have the worst set of investigators. There is enough evidence to charge her just based on reading the story. Sick baby killer. How you can put your ugly mug on Facebook is beyond me!! You need a new sheriff in the office!
We need harsher punishment for child abusers in iowa! Thoughts and prayers to find justice this child deserves.
Wilbur Millhouse was a circulation manager for the Register at the time both Johnny and Eugene were abducted. He is a convicted pedophile and on other forums, several former newspapers carriers in Des Moines believe he had something to do with both cases.
The first question you have to ask is it just coincidence that the two boys disappeared delivering newspapers on a Sunday morning for the first time without adult supervision.
Coincidence? Really?
Mike & Gary Anderson were murdered north of Mt. Pleasant. Two were tried but acquitted.
I rode together In the Des Moines Commuter Club with Mary Senne to Iowa State. I barely knew her but have never since forgotten her name. Every few years I am saddened to discover her murder has not been solved. I hope to see justice in my lifetime.
Poor little ones… I’ll bet their so-called ‘mother’ has/had Munchausen By Proxy, and expected to be the center of sympathetic attention.
Our judicial system sucks….period!!!
It’s a hard day today for many people I’m sure …Including myself. I’ve been turned around by every official involved in this case, and when an opportunity came to help open this investigation, it was turned down. For anyone who thinks this will be another lost case after my thesis is done, you’re wrong. I won’t stop…I can’t stop, the media is coming and the pressure will intensify. This is not over, and it won’t be until Ricky’s case is opened and the truth comes out.
I want to thank Robin Moorehouse for helping me with my project and always being there to answer questions and giving me more of a reason to keep going!
You keep going! There are many people behind you I’m sure. Thank you for your efforts to help Ricky and his family the justice they deserve.
Premeditated too if Reggy was outside, unharmed.
Money talks. I’m guessing bribery had, or still has, taken place. Very very sad. Don’t ever give up.
Vote these Criminals out of office for poor little Ricky.
Shame on the DA who offered that plea deal. shame on you!!! I understand that you don’t want to leave it up to a jury but he murdered and raped her dead corpse…. you’re telling me you thought that a jury was going to come back and not convict this guy. I can’t believe with the evidence, DNA MATCH, witness testimonies, the fact that the guy turned around and smiled at the dad when the picture of his dead daughter was up on the projector, and everything else yet still they didn’t have a rock-solid case????????you roll that dice on this one…he was guilty and I’m sure 10 years in prison is not going to satisfy what the family has suffered and what the victim suffered. you put them away for as long as possible or in other terms you throw the book at him and hope the jury does the right thing even if they acquit the man he still is seen as the monster that he is because of the evidence that proved it….. if a jury let him walk then let him walk.. 10 years isn’t going to make anybody feel better and you know it. Did you not take into consideration that he’d been living free and clear for 38 years since this murder???????? The state literally gave the man free room and board and food for 10 years…. the family deserved a longer sentence the victim deserved a longer sentence. I understand that he paroled after like 5 but I’m trying to make a point that I’m disgusted by this story disgusted and hurt that this girl her family had to suffer like this she didn’t deserve to die like that the family didn’t deserve to have their loved one taken away like that and the state screwed up and gave this man seriously a pass on this…..
just seen this again on ID sorry he only got 10 years and is only going to do 5 he will be out this year 2017 after what he did to that poor girl
I know Eileen’s daughter who was just a baby when she went missing. She is my cousin’s half sister .
Found an old Polaroid picture of her in my dads old things that made me wonder if they had ever caught anyone. Very sad they didn’t but hopefully they will someday.
Yellow Bag – I met Wilbur Millhouse around 1971 or 1972 and he was then an employee of the Des Moines Register.
I had no idea Millhouse was with the Register that long. I guess that explains how he had the names and addresses of 2200 boys in his home. Just curious, what were your experiences with Millhouse?
It would be nice of Mr Lester to share the photo he has of Kathy so we can see her face on here.
Would not mind posting her picture on here except there is no where to post it , and they never put one there back in 1994.
Thank you for posting the pictures , you must of had to contact them for posting them . Last I knew when I called them they were closing the cold case site for some reason but it is still available so they figured a way to keep this program going , thank god maybe someone will come forward there is still a reward leading to a arrest of her killer .
Your welcome. I’m very happy they were able to upload Kathy’s Picture. Thank you to those who worked on getting picture’s on here so fast. Appreciated very much. Kathy never liked sleeping downstairs. Most of the time she chose to stay on the sofa. We spent a lot of time together in 1993-94. I on one end of the townhouse her on the other. She came to visit when he would leave, it’s the only time she could get away . According to her , he tried to keep her confined, not wanting her to have friends. She said she didn’t know how to go about getting away from him. No job, no where to go and did fear for her life.
Death Anniversary has come and gone. Of course I remember it like yesterday. You were my neighbor and friend. He lives across the way from me now and it’s a constant reminder. Miss you. I decorate your grave each year. So glad they finally added a photo here.
I think they made a segment into a film already
THE BEAST OF BODMIN MOOR
missy you were my first love, my first everything. you will always be in my heart as i think about you daily. I LOVE YOU. Troy Manley. GOD BLESS…….
At the time of her disappearance, Colleen was much younger than most, if not all, of Ted Bundy’s victims but I am wondering if the sheriff or anyone involved with her case, ever tried to track the time of her disappearance with Bundy’s travels. The number of Bundy’s victims is staggering and the total may never be known. (A friend of mine’s daughter disappeared from Grand Junction, Colorado, around the mid to late 1970s and to my knowledge, her body was never found. The parents, both of whom have since died of natural causes, believed Bundy was responsible.)
Shared, just seen someone else repost this…Hope you find your answers…
What about contacting one of the murder mystery TV shows or Dateline or 20/20. I think they are always interested in new “old” murders. Maybe they would uncover something.
I have to heard these rumers and asked my cousin Doug Chidester about it and would not ever give me an answer. I rode the bus with you guys and always thought highly of Harry and you . Mark I wish I had the answer but I don’t.
anyone remember the name of her boyfriend about that time they worked together at gas station on Ingersol
Mona Cox in mid 60s at 15th and Woodland across from Hoyt Sherman Place. Believed to have been killed with a Shingle Knife.
The was a murder in 1961 or 1962 on 29th near school st, I believe it was David Stump was accused of killing Richard Daily.
These were my brothers I want answers!
from your previous comments you believe you knew who it might be who did it. start there with answers, I wish you the best. I am so sorry for your loss.
I believe you have some of the answers! We all need closure! Someone should pay for taking your brother’s away from all of us. They were so little and so loved.
that address you put on there is community health center i have know clue if this is where this is supposed to be
Thanks, Brody, for catching this. It should have been 100 (not 1000) N. 16th St. I’ve updated the address to reflect the changes. (The correct address was on Douglas Shondel’s case summary page here.) All best to you!
My name is Jerry Hamstra.She was my niece and will always miss her.
Wow, most murders of newborns just let them die naturally or from exposure. Beating the newborn in the head to kill the poor little thing makes this an especially gruesome case. Too bad, whoever did this is more than likely dead or will be, very soon.Too bad, that DNA was not available then. It would be nice if they could find the parent who would be extremely old but alive who thinks they have gotten away with this crime only to end up sitting in a cell as an aged killer. And a lot of people close to death who are believers start to become nervous before they die because they are afraid they are going to go to hell.
Sounds like you have remorse…….. turn yourself in, or find a very sharp knife and plunge it into your throat…
The state (and the police) gave you incorrect information about Jesse Giovanni Nimaja Pol. His name isn’t “Nimajapol” it is “Nimaja Pol.” Also, there are some internet postings from someone named “Adexe Nauzet Giovanni Nimaja Pol” from Denison, Iowa. Was his real name Jesse?
What about the chief? He said things that were contradicted. Maybe to throw off the trail…
2-8-18
I was a 7 year old daughter of my Mother who was secretary to the Ames Canning Company in 1948 when Henry Chavis was gunned down. I spent hours playing outside of the office. My best friend was Sherry Rhenbloom Semanka. Her Mother, Doris, and my Mother were on the Ames Bowling Team. Sherry and I and our Mothers took a 6 week trip to California at that time. It was also the year my Mother divorced my Dad. Mom & I moved to the 1st home she owned in Webster CIty, IA. At 76 years old in Santa Barbara, CA… I still have many questions.
She changed my last name to Hemmen, and remarried Maurice Hemmen. Much more I can’t say…
Linda, thank you for helping remind all of the family and friends of deceased Iowa Cold Cases, who have not had their deaths investigated or cases solved, and those that have been solved, after more information was gathered from information organized on our family’s case files, that Jody has many expenses that are not covered as most of us she works to help us, while existing on a limited income like we do. If Linda had not reminded me I might not have thought to pass on a small gift to Jody for the VPS Server Fees. Veronica Lack (Still hoping to find an Attorney to Represent my Iowa Supreme Court Appeal 17-1933 of the Halloween 2017 dismissal of Civil Rights case CVCV046761 in the Polk County Courthouse.)
Kimberly sue Doss came up missing when she was 14 not 16. She came up missing in March 20th 1980 not1982. I kknow some knows information on her . If you do you do come forward not have to give you man just a phone # will do please help it has been 38 years please please help
Do you know of walker country Jane die? Cold she be your sister?
Schelly, though Kim’s case has been removed from the Iowa Department of Public Safety’s (IDPS) Missing Person Information Clearinghouse (MPIC), Kim is still listed on NamUs.gov as having gone missing at age 16, with the date of last contact on Sept. 1, 1982.
https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/2919/details
NamUs gets this information directly from the investigating agency. When a case is removed from Iowa’s MPIC, they do not notify us as to why the individual has been removed. Yet Kim’s case remains on both NamUs and the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children.
I cannot explain why she was removed from the State database yet kept on two national databases. Also, the lead detectives are rotated over time, and Det. Jordan Sander of the Davenport PD is currently handling her case file. His contact information is listed as (563) 328-6749.
Just wondering …
Jane Doe
Unidentified Body
Jane Doe
Estimated Age: 19-25
Race: White / Caucasian
Height: Cannot Estimate
Weight: Cannot Estimate
Des Moines River Area SE
Des Moines, IA
Investigating Agencies: Polk County Medical Examiner’s Office and the Des Moines Police Department
NCMEC Case Number: 10-77-1490
Des Moines PD Case Number: 1980-20704
NamUs Case Number: 10846
Body Found: May 26, 1980
Estimated Year of Death: 1980
details on disappearance? ( Waterloo, Iowa. )
Dies she have a uncle lived in Kansas city?
I posted that to honor Austin, Cora’s child left behind who is referenced in the beginning of the article.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjakKW21ZbZAhUFtlkKHQ-rDrcQFggtMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fiowacoldcases.org%2Fnews%2F&usg=AOvVaw2mVCuWY5AnT5rctHcm6_Hn
My condolences to the family and I hope that this case finally receives justice very soon. I work for the local paper and am interested in finding out more information as well as other perspectives (on or off the record) on this particular case to help keep it in the spotlight. Please contact me at sragen@oskyherald. Thank you.
Shelly, Thanks so much for your interest in this case, I’ve passed your email address on to my son in-law Josh ( Denease’s son ) he has a lot of information for you. ~~~ Lorrie ~~~
Thank you Lorrie. I greatly appreciate your help!
Hi Lorrie,
I am having difficulty getting very many people to talk even off the record. Would you be willing to talk with me about the case, even if it’s your perspective. It would be super helpful. Also anyone else that might talk with me, like I mentioned before, on or off the record. Thanks so much! My email is sragen@oskyherald.com
Shelly, All I know is what I told told Jody in this article on Iowa Cold Cases, sorry I don’t have anymore information, I would really like to know who this ” beever cleever ” is that commented on the towards the top.
~~~ Lorrie ~~~
Thank you Lorrie. I don’t know who that would be….I am interested in learning more about Denease as a person too, if anyone can help, I would appreciate it. sragen@oskyherald.com. Thank you.
M’Thinks Bill Carter protested too much boo hooing over Shirley’s death. Neighbor said he was extremely controlling over even smallest things. While son Jason was said to have a good relationship with his mother, and besides which, how could he inherit farm if only his mother and not father was dead.
Regarding your last question, the theory is that his parents were very conservative and would disinherit Jason upon learning of his infidelity; a fact that Shirley recently discovered but had not divulged yet to Bill. Jason’s inheritance would have been secure if he successfully hid his involvement in his mother’s murder so the theory goes.
He threw it all away and has paid a big price. He will pay a much bigger price in the after life I strongly suspect.
And I’m sure every last one of those people within the Wall of Silence go to church every Sunday.
No wonder Jesus couldn’t stand The Pharisees. I cannot abide hypocrisy myself.
I will never understand anyone who could look away from a child murder when they have information that could lead to the killer.
My prayers are with the family, and I hope some day that the killer will be brought to justice.
Too many questions, not enough proof.
J.F. North, What are your questions and what proof are you looking for? Des Moines P.D. can provide you with both. Thank you for visiting Mother’s cold case site.
Dear Jody, Thank you for your care and concern for my Mother. Since the death of Mother’s devoted Sister I cannot imagine anyone knowing how to proceed further. You have provided me with more closure than anyone in our family would give to me and I am in your debt.
Hi Janette, Kathy & Lanny,
This is Jane McMenamin – Tigges, I grew up with all of you, I never knew any of this growing up so close. My Heart is Heavy after reading all this, I’m Very Proud of the Great Kids you were & the lives you Had and now the Adults that you Are!
May you know much Love and Peace,
God Bless you 3 and your families.
Blessings to you,
Love,
Jane
Jane McMenamin, I remember you vividly as an adorable blond upperclassman. I also remember you had a large feed sign that said “KENT”. Thanks for stopping by Mothers’ cold case site. No one knew what happened to Mother in Dexter-it was a closely guarded secret even in our own Family. I myself knew nothing until attending prom as a freshman with a junior boy who casually asked me on the way to Redfield if it was true “my Mother was buried in a basement somewhere.” I had an interesting chat with my Gram later that evening. Thank you for your kind blessings. Kathy is the outgoing famous one- Lanny and I have always kept under the radar. I do remember that Kent was Lanny’s Friend and Vickie T. was Kathy’s. Janette.
Private Investigator Kim Montgomery Agency five years no new reports about this young man . But I am not going to stop
He looks so much like my nephew that it’s spooky.
What i want to know is why the hell weren’t his shoes tested for fingerprints???
From what I have gathered from articles is that they do not know if they are his shoes. It’s possible they could be someone else’s shoes and if you look at the finger prints it’s possible that persons finger prints aren’t even in the system. I grew up in Clinton Iowa. I was a child when this happened. Growing up there were 4 places I thought were creepy places also places where someone could find a dead body. 1.The park in Fulton (the forest area) 2. Forest area around the bike path. 3. The thick forest area by the old Lyons Middle school (up the hill from Miller ridge) 4. Under the South bridge. I really hope they find him alive.
Des Monies police dept should not have closed Johnita Clemons case for the sake of her children. The killer Maryann Gatewoid Gatewood there in des Moines on the run from Oklahoma judicial for human trafficking. Please community help close this case the house she was murdered in has been torn down. Is the police was smart Deron Humes Maryann Gatewooda boyfriend at the time knows all the details currently inmate iowa dept of corrections. Please lets continue to fight for justice.
I really need people in the sea Moines community that in Dec 24th 2013. Johnita Clemons was killed by her niece Maryann Gatewoid Drs Moines have the murdering right at hand . This should have never been a cold case. We the family will see justice prevail. Prayers up and blessings come down. In all are ways acknowledge him and he shall direct my path. Amen
A lecturer at wartburg college
Is he still there? Do you have a photo?
who want’s to go their
Meeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!! AND the Lizzie Borden bread n breakfast!!!
Would like to add my Grandpa to the list. Dwane Roy Dreher… Missing from Mason City, Iowa… Nov.8th, 1955
I just saw this case on the ID channel and could not believe that the ‘piece of crap’ got out of prison so soon. I hope he has nightmares for the rest of his miserable life.
Its unbelievable this monster is out of prison. I feel horrible for the family of Mary Jayne. I know this is a double whammy as they waited so long for justice and the justice was so short . I’m praying for them to find some kind of peace. Our justice system stinks!
My dad worked/friend with Gerald’ s brother Bob at the cement plant in mason city for over 20 years….. shortly before my dad died he told me Bob had physical evidence on who had commited the murder and tried to relay it to the pigs, and they basically told him to forget about it…… mason city/Cerro Gordo police officers are straight up lazy and fucking worthless
Both the prosecution and defense were to recommend a 10-year sentence, but there was no requirement that the judge actually had to issue a 10-year sentence; he could have sentenced him to 25 years, for example. Shame on the judge for not protecting the rest of us from someone whose criminally-versitile behavior demonstrates that he is a psychopath.
It’s 2018 did he get out of prison
I too am sorry for your loss of Mary Jayne, River Tribe, This very light sentence for this worthless, substandard, waste of air is disturbing.
As it turns out, this case happened to be profiled on the ID Discovery network “Murder for Menu” series today (1/13/18). I took particular note to the segment and the case as my wife is from Ottumwa.
Again, sorry for my loss. She didn’t deserve this.
Tim O’Brien was murdered in Mason City Oct 2, 1893 by a tramp.
who’s Tim O’Brien? 1893?
I miss you aunt missy please come home… praying for you. Someone plz say somethingl
After reading the above summary for this case, which has now been unsolved for over two decades, I was struck by the fact that no one had ever commented on it. I did some research on this woman’s case and found some things that might be of interest to individuals who stop by this page.
To begin, I found a couple of typographical errors in the “about Dung Kim Truong” section of the summary write-up. Dung Kim Truong was actually female, and she was born in Saigon, Vietnam, as reported in the SSDI. While “California” does appear in her record in the index, as far as I can tell, that was actually her state of residence at the time she was issued a social security number. There is a note in her record stating that in 1989, her name was recorded as “Dung Kim Truong” in a social security filing of some sort which is not specified in the index. It is possible that this unspecified filing was her original social security application, and that 1989 was about the time she immigrated to the United States. If so, her port of entry in the United States would likely have also been somewhere in the state of California. However, it is equally possible that it was just some other routine filing, and that she had immigrated at some point prior to that year. At the time of her death in 1997, Truong was a classified as a legal alien with the authorization to work in the United States.
Using information from newspaper articles published at the time her remains were discovered and then when they were subsequently identified, I was able to find some details about Truong’s case that clarify some of the details about how everything unfolded.
The articles state that at the time Truong went missing, she had been living in Omaha, Nebraska. The wording seems to imply that, more specifically, she was living with her boyfriend there. At some point on September 22, 1997, Truong went to the recently-opened Ameristar riverboat casino, which was technically considered as having been located in Council Bluffs, Iowa as that was the location of the on-shore portion of the Ameristar property (e.g., the hotel). For those not familiar with the area, Council Bluffs is located on the other side of the Missouri River from Omaha, and is often considered a suburb of that city. Thus, to board the riverboat, she would have had to have first travelled across the bridge over the Missouri River into Council Bluffs. The articles do not provide any insight into why she had gone to the casino – whether she gambled often, whether she went because of the novelty of this new attraction, or perhaps for a completely different reason (e.g., perhaps she was employed there).
The articles also do not clarify how she got to the casino or for how long she was there. However she got there though, she ended up accepting a ride home from an Asian male who to the best of my knowledge was never successfully identified. She called her boyfriend, who was evidently at home in Omaha at the time, from a phone at the casino, to let him know that the man was giving her a ride. Then, she passed the phone to the man so her boyfriend could provide him with driving directions to their residence (remembering of course that smart phones with GPS that tell you when and where to turn were unheard of in those days). After they got off the phone, casino security cameras captured Truong and the man exiting the riverboat at approximately 6:30 PM. After she failed to arrive at the residence that evening, Truong was reported missing, presumably by her boyfriend.
Later that year, in the evening of Thanksgiving Day, a hunter discovered human remains on public land near Washta, Iowa, over 100 miles from the casino where Truong was last seen. At the time of the discovery, authorities stated that remains were that of a woman over the age of 30 who had been deceased for approximately four months, and that they hoped to identify her through dental records.
By December 02, the remains were identified as that of Dung Kim Truong, and newspapers across Iowa detailed the story provided above. The cause of death was undetermined at that point, and the articles closed by stating that the unidentified Asian male that Truong was last seen with was being sought by investigators, though he was not considered a suspect in the case at the time. They expressed that he may have important information about the case. At the end of an article published by the Des Moines Register, it was reported that investigators with the Iowa DCI believed that the man may have been from the Sioux City Area. Although I have no idea for certain why they believed this, a few reasons might include that not only was Sioux City the closest major city to the area where the remains were discovered, it is also located directly north of Council Bluffs on I-29, and statistically-speaking, it has a higher non-white population than many of the surrounding communities in the area.
Unfortunately, I was not able to locate any further information on Dung Kim Truong or her case, despite an exhaustive search of all electronic resources available to me. I was unable to locate any information regarding topics such as her cause of death, her place of burial, an obituary, her family, her boyfriend mentioned in the newspaper articles, her occupation, her personality, her interests, or her life goals. I personally think that part of the reason for the lack of any substantive information might be that she was a recent immigrant who had lived in the United States for less than 10 years at the time of her death. She was unmarried, probably had no children, spoke English as a second language, and may not have had any family in the country. It’s not clear how long she had been living in Omaha, and it is possible she knew very few people there. Sadly, if those conjectures are factual, they might partially explain why her case has gone unsolved: in the case of a woman with few ties to the community who was the victim of a crime committed by a stranger, it’s possible that there wasn’t much information to go on.
In any case, I hope that this information helps anyone who might want to know more about Dung Kim Truong, and that someday, justice will be served on her behalf.
Whoever “nobody” is, or anyone who knows or saw anything, please go to the Clinton Iowa police department or call them here: 563-243-1457
Amanda P. I read your thread on reddit thank you for making that thread and I hope Ben and the other missing men and their families find out what happened.
Didn’t the police find evidence that the slashed screen on front door was cut from the inside ?
That was the theory in 1969 but advances in forensics has shown that a dull blade would produce the same effect.
A dull blade being used from the outside on a metal screen could leave the same effect.
I have recently shared about this case on reddit on the Unresolved Mysteries page to hopefully bring some more attention to his case. My family and I were talking about him this morning. Continue to pray for him and his family and hope one day there will be answers.
Apparently there is a rumor that people have speculated they know who did this. I heard this from someone who knows the family and grew up around them. I asked if that person was alive and he said very much so. He would not tell me a name.
I agree. I think I know who did it. Not sure but I’d put significant money on it..
This does all seem way too odd to be a random act and I have been reading every article I can get my hands on about this. Would either of you be interested in meeting up and speaking about this rumor?
I’d be open to that. Email me at Beaverdalehawk@gmail.com.
I just sent you an email.
Oskaloosa and not feeling any guilt I have heard
what my boyfriend went through during that time ; I’m sure is nothing compared to why her family went through,.They didn’t convict my boyfriend for a reason. Please dont be so quick to judge…..
Who is your boyfriend? What case are you talking about?
Mary Ann Green and why?
I was referring to your comment” what my boyfriend went through during that time.” I just was not sure what case it was about and if you met he was involved in some way with the case. It is a very sad situation.
Her boyfriend was one of the defendants. I don’t know which one. I actually lived with Yant in 1998 and didn’t know anything about this. I stumbled upon the news article years ago when reading about a different case. I was shocked when I first saw his name.
I notice there is an “about” section for Bill but not one for Kay. What more can we know about her? It states they were widows when they met but that is all that is given.
I have heard throught the grapevine that the policehave been informed of who done it, gave the person who informed them alie detector test(which was passed), yet the police are doing nothing about it. Throughanother story its rumered that one of the people being accused has people in “authority” thatdoes her”bidding”. Meaning they let her do ANYTHING she wants. Furthermore, they arrest anyo e she tells them too. Shes got the freedom to kill someone or have someone thrown in jail. Which ever she feelslike doing.
You are right about it…I talked to them too…I had 411 about it …and detectives looked like if they did not care a bit…is there a number where a family member can be contacted…
I am Kays grandaughter contact me on fb my name is Brandi Weber my profile pic is gram and william.
The Deputy Sheriff (later Sheriff) Bert Elledge, who worked the case, believed he knew did it, but could not prove it.
Later the suspect committed a similar crime using the same method of assault on another individual as memory serves, in Jones County. Deputy Jim Benter of Jones County worked that particular case. The victim survived, and an individual was charged,
and did prison time on the Jones County case.
Any word on how this
case is progressing ?
Do you think the recent fire could be related to the cold case.
No … this seems like a tragic situation that had zero to do with this cold case. It was bitterly cold and according to information in the provided link, the house was full of clutter, which impeded escape and helped the fire spread more quickly. Very sad end to their lives.
Rick and Brian, there are far more extenuating circumstances than just a house full of clutter. It wasn’t the clutter that impeded their escape, but rather the high deadbolt locks on all the doors. The State Fire Marshal Division ruled the cause of the fire as “Undetermined.” Arson wasn’t officially ruled out, and though they could not determine the fire’s point of origin, they do know it started in the living room.
I’ve thoroughly read the final reports from the multiple investigating agencies, and the number of inconsistencies reflects the number of contradictory statements provided to investigators the night of the fire and in the following days/weeks.
Medical examiners begin with information (a victim history) provided to them by law enforcement, who already may have been misled by one or more family members or others who have or had a good reason (motive) for wanting to mislead. The autopsy reports, as expected, do accurately reflect the “causes” of death (i.e. they were injuries consistent with those one might sustain in a house fire), but the “manner” of death is highly subjective when it comes to fires. Normally, if the cause of a fire is ruled undetermined, the “manner” of any death(s) would follow suit as undetermined. (Obviously, this is barring cases where individuals have been shot or stabbed or bludgeoned to death and fire(s) then set in attempts to try to cover up the crime.) Otherwise, if arson can’t officially be ruled out, neither can the possibility of homicide when it comes to the manner of death(s).
I’m not implying these deaths have anything to do with Kim’s or Craig’s unsolved cases — only saying there remains far more questions than answers in all six deaths.
Hi Janette this is Rex. When I saw your Mom’ photo on the news I thought for a moment it was you as you both looked so much alike. She was so pretty. I feel disturbed over this quite often now.
Best wishes to you and your families.
Dear Rex, thank you for stopping by Mother’s Cold case site. I am grateful for the chance to ask you to forgive me. I was wrong.
You were forgiven many years ago Dear.
You say you were wrong, but not as much as I was.
Am very lucky and grateful to have known you.
I will never forget you.
I pray God has arranged the day you and your people will meet your beautiful Mother.
Her beauty is beyond this world.
From your mouth to the ears of God.
I’m not sure what is going on Janette, but I truly feel a spiritual connection with your Angel Mother.
Rex David, please join Classmates @ Classmates.com, and I will meet you there, My Mother’s Cold Case Site is the incorrect forum for past lovers to meet.
I would certainly look at Patricia and her known relatives or if she had brothers. The taking of half the cash leads one to believe it was a personal murder while trying to take money to make it appear as though it was a robbery attempt. I’m glad her son was adopted and hopefully living a full and rich life.
Thank you Kate, I’m Michael Rogers, I am Pat’s son, and yes, alive and well thank you, although I will tell you, I met Pat and her family in 1996, they were rude, never accepted me, and to this day, have nothing to do with me, yet, some family members sing in the church choir and attend Mass weekly, go figure?
Michael, Patricia’s family’s attitude toward you should tell you something. You did nothing wrong, but you are the end result of your father’s ‘mistake’ that they resented him for. I still think the males in that family are the suspects in your father’s murder. A gas station robber NEVER takes “some” of the money, they take it all. Think about it. PLEASE.
oh yes,I so agree, thanks you so much for writing to me,
Your cousin Patrick Heideman son of Joanne Heideman is my son in law from Carol Stream IL
Thank you so much
PATRICIA KELLEY SKILLINGS, WIFE OF RICH SKILLINGS, EVANSDALE, IOWA. 319-234-0710, OR THIS NOW I HAD BEEN NOTIFIED COULD BE THEIR SON’S NUMBER NOW, MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT ENOUGH FOLKS CALL AND PRESSURE THESE INDIVIDUALS TO WORK WITH THE WATERLOO POLICE DEPARTMENT! THANK YOU, MICHAEL DAVID ROGERS, ADOPTED SON OF PATRICIA KELLEY SKILLINGS, I CAN BE REACHED@ 469-434-7419
AS OF TODAY, I HAD TALKED AGAIN TO THE WATERLOO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ASKED THAT A DETECTIVE, GERGIN GO AND INTERVIEW RICH AND PATRICIA SKILLINGS, TO THIS DAY HAVE HEARD NOTHING
Glad you did talk to police. I agree my first thought was scorned girlfriend or some connection.
That was my fist thought too!
They didn’t want the stores money.
They left it!
They only wanted his money!
She was mad because she was pregnant & he was honest with her & told her he wasn’t in love with her.
She hated him for it & took his life over it a week to the day he was supposed to be getting married!
It’s so obviously them!
Tom was a good friend to me. I have always held that Dawn was the one who did this, or at least helped to orchestrate it. Her story has just never quite washed…Perhaps one day she will get her comeuppance…
It is unbelievable that this young child’s psychopath’s mother has not been held accountable. Appears to be total incompetence by law enforcement.
Fortunately Ricky is now in heaven while his whack job mother will burn in hell for eternity.
The Gazette Clip before this article says that Charles pursued the two men that supposedly murdered Bryan Pence, a cousin to my mom, but in the informational paragraphs after it it says that Charles did not pursue the suspects. Typo or a lie?
A family without their wife/mother, and no trace of her since. Sure makes me wonder if she slipped & fell down an embankment into the river, or…….? This family needs closure. IBased on details given here, I doubt any foul play. An unfortunate accident perhaps? Too bad her body was never recovered.
Willy, this is Tracy’s source:
https://truecrimedaily.com/2015/10/19/unsolved-iowa-realtor-gunned-down-in-open-house/
If she was shot just entering the house, the only chance that the murder was someone she knew would be that he could know in advance that she was going to that house that day, and alone. So the really important question is who could have that information. If nobody, then Ashley was not the target.
She wasn’t shot just entering the house. Plus, a coworker would possibly know she was going to be there.. and I believe the culprit was a coworker….
I would agree with this theory. This case should not be that hard.to solve.
Could this be another victim of Jesperson? I believe the timing is right and he bound other victims with duct tape. I believe his full name is Keith Hunter Jesperson and he is currently in the Utah prison system serving multiple life sentences.
Can I ask if they believe she disappeared in Boone and where exactly is the house. I grew up in Boone and graduated in 1982.
1221 7th Street is the address. Still there and occupied.
I am just learning of this case as far as it being Steve Leisure. It is time that people get on Amy Beavers office and press her and the Burlington Police to push for Justice for Steve. I did not realize it was Steve until I talked to an old friend of his. There are rumors of who was involved and these people are a Criminal Element of Burlington and should be behind bars on suspicion along. The only way Justice will be served in this case is if the people who \knew and loved Steve push the Burlington PD and Des Moines County Prosecutors office to do their jobs. If I am learning of the names of those involved in late 2017 then why isn’t this case solved. I know the name of one of the people rumored to be involved and he has always been involved in shit. They did drain the lake and sent the foot off, but not having people in custody is a travesty of Justice. Autumn Steels case has gotten National Attention and she was killed by accident when her dog attacked the officer. This is a grisly murder of a completely harmless individual. It disgusts me that this case is not solved and that people are not scouring the woods every day around Lake West and Issac Walton and the woods surrounding. They need to use dogs and the machines that can detect human remains under the ground. This town has always been full of murderers, but now it is completely out of hand. The more unsolved murders Burlington has the more money they can get from the Feds.
This case is infuriating to no end.
I would like to say to Bernadette and other loved ones of Keara’s if they happen to read this. Justice will prevail and Karen (very evident based on reading through this page) will be held accountable, on this earth (hopefully) and for sure when she passes.
There is no escaping justice on judgement day.
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This is so interesting and heartbreaking at the same time. I too wondered why her family didn’t insist on a autopsy or a more thorough investigation. Are any of her family still alive?
The thought I had was that this information should be shared with the people connected with Antique Roadshow. Also the same with other businesses that conduct antique auctions. Since there has been a another murder of a couple involved in antiques.
https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Man-again-found-guilty-of-killing-missing-fiance-for-second-time-462874563.html
After reading through the comments on this page, I feel that a great disservice has been done to the deceased, Eric William Jones, due to the spread of information here in the comments which is not accurate. If a person came along and read the comments here and took them at face-value, they would be severely misinformed. Therefore I would like to point out certain facts about this case.
First and foremost, according to the Des Moines Police Department and Jody Ewing (who administers this website), this case is classified as an unsolved homicide. This is a fact and not a clerical error. What it means is that, at minimum, homicide could not be ruled out as a cause of death, and so the case is investigated as such in order to pursue justice for the deceased, if necessary.
Second, no evidence exists in the public record that Eric suffered from Guillain-Barré Syndrome as has been suggested here in the comments on this page. That medical condition is extremely rare and affects fewer than two out of every 100,000 people on average. While it is an extremely serious and potentially fatal condition, its symptoms do not match those which have been attributed to Eric.
Third, according to the Des Moines Register article published on May 11, 1993, Eric actually had Prader–Willi Syndrome, a genetic disorder associated with a host of symptoms including developmental disabilities, low IQ, behavioral problems, and physical abnormalities. The symptoms of Prader-Willi Syndrome are far more consistent with those which have been described by others here. For example, children with Prader-Willi Syndrome frequently require a feeding tube as part of their treatment. This condition is far more common than the aforementioned Guillain-Barré Syndrome, occurring at a frequency of up to one out of every 10,000 births.
Fourth, according to Dr. Francis Garrity, the doctor who performed the autopsy on Eric Jones, “there is no medical evidence connecting the disorder to the baby’s death.” Therefore, the results of the autopsy disagree with certain statements which have been made here suggesting that Eric died as a result of a disorder he had. Absolutely no evidence suggests that the infant’s death was the result of his genetic disorder.
Fifth, according to statements given by the Des Moines Police Department to the Des Moines Register newspaper which were published in the same paper in May of 1993, investigators believed that child abuse may have played a role in Eric’s death.
Sixth and finally, according to the Polk County Medical Examiner at the time of Eric’s death, R.C. Wooters, the results of the autopsy showed that the cause of death was an injury to the infant’s head, consistent with, among other possibilities, having been struck.
In this post I have shared only the facts which were duly provided by law enforcement, medical professionals, and journalists at the time of Eric William Jones’ death. None of these statements are based on my feelings or opinions, save for my opening paragraph in which I stated that I felt aggrieved by the spread of inaccurate information here.
I believe these facts represent the other side of the story that has not been shared here. While I empathize with those who lost their loved one, I believe that in the interest of the deceased, all sides of the story should be given due consideration. Although I sincerely hope that some sort of error was made at some point in the investigation, and that Eric died of natural causes rather than as the result of homicide, all people owe it to the deceased to rule out potential foul play before casting judgment.
This is a factual, articulate, well thought out, well written, and thought provoking post that resonates with credibility. One of the better ones I’ve read on this site. Nice work.
This was a long time ago. I was at the hospital when he was born and there when he was buried. His grandmother was a friend of mine. This is what she knew at the time. I knew both parents and they never laid a hand on any of their kids let alone a newborn baby. It’s sad and let Eric rest in peace. Let his family have peace.
Yes Eric had Prader-Willi Syndrome which was the cause of his death. Thank you for bring that up none of these wanna be detectives could figured it out which is why I didn’t mention the name of it. No one in my family did anything to my brother. We were told exactly what you said Prader-Willi Syndrome caused his death. I love my brother that was the worst thing to ever happen to me and I have been blown up by IEDs in Afghanistan. Once again thank you for being the only one not accusing my family when they didn’t know all the facts.
Ask Quick Des Moines county sheriff
This case was investigated by the Wapello County Sheriff’s Office and the Wapello County Medical Examiner, Dr. Bruce Mason. An autopsy was performed and the cause of death was determined to be Hypoxia due Grand Mal Seizure. There is no indication of a “partial decapitation” as stated above. Although a minor point, he had just turned 54, not 55.
He wasn’t even stabbed?
Michael has been arrested for Elizabeth’s death/disappearance. Happen to read it in local Iowa paper. Sparked my interest and that is what brought me to this Iowa cold case story!
May Elizabeth’s Family now get some kind of closure. 🙏💜
does anyone know anything about the murder of Kim Ward 55 from Cedar Rapids?
Josh Wellman is still missing….I know for a fact that if you were to look at CHRISTY WORM and HARRY MEADER you would be looking in the right direction…WORM had gotten away with 3 or 4 murders now….she likes to give people HOT-SHOTS…which is pretty much untraceable…
This is one of the cold cases that infuriates me to no end. A young man who was dealt a tough blow while protecting his sister & family – a truly impressive act of heroism that deserves respect. This is a very solvable case, I pray that someone that knows about this comes forward and gives this family the peace they deserve. Come on now!
Wish the Fuc#%$ Osceola police department would grow some balls, roll the dice, and arrest the worthless shitbags they interviewed that were known to hang out and leach off this guy…. c’mon assholes, do the right thing, better yet, DO YOUR JOB….IGNORING IT WON’T MAKE IT GO AWAY
Exactly, they need to shake things up. Identify the weakest link, most likely to talk and charge that person. Get him/her rattled so they start talking. Nothing is likely to happen at this point unless they push it to make it happen.
Great news
The husband was arrested. Article link above.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2017/12/01/victim-estranged-husband-charged-murder-henry-county-cold-case/912597001/?from=new-cookie
We have a cold case here in VA BEACH VIRGINA IN 1986 OF ROBERTA WALLS, 22 YRS. also stabbed to death they also did a SNAPSHOT DNA and it looks remarkably like THE MARTINKO SNAPSHOT , something ,coincidence or are these snap shots kind of generic molds? Articles in VIRGINIA PILOT 11/29/17-11/30/17.
Today marks 22yrs that Scott has been gone. I find it unbelievable that in that busy of a district no one seen anything. Someone robbed him of his life, they robbed his mother and family of an amazing person. He always had the most amazing laugh, he would just bust out laughing because he thought of some random thing. His laugh was contagious! I was blessed to call him one of my best friends for many years. We love and miss you.
Uncle John, mom and I still visit your gravesite. We place flowers and say prayers. We wish we could bring you justice. I don’t know where else to turn for answers. But I can tell you we will never forget you. We love you!
And make sure no one copying my address to my house in ottumwa Iowa now-;)
Hey Dylan, this is not a place to make comments about how you wanna help and be a police officer….. help your self by learning proper grammar and also common sense…… your comments are innapropriate and just plan dumb…..jackass
Hey Dennis radar, Leave the kid alone. And before you criticize someone else, you might want to proofread your own comment and take your own advice. “Help yourself by learning proper grammar and also common sense..your comments are inappropriate and just plain dumb.”
Hi and I want to helps you with unsolved murders in 1960 now and be cause I do now and be cause I all way want to be a police officer and detective at ottumwa police department in ottumwa Iowa now-;) and I have Facebook and Instagram now and I am deaf and I am a boy and I am 17 now and I got open heart surgery on my chest three time now-;) and I am in ottumwa Iowa now and my address to my house in ottumwa Iowa is 268 e Rochester road ottumwa Iowa 52501 in ottumwa Iowa now-;)
I’m the unborn son, born 2-19-1959. I’m Michael David Rogers, I was born in Tulsa, Okla. and was adopted and lived my life in Oklahoma and Texas.
your case grabbed my eye for some reason… i still think of you… it is kinda obvious what happened to you… but there is lack of proof… rip
My father was murdered in a hotel at pocahontas Ia in 1977. His name is Warren Douglas Clark. And yet i can find no records of his case file or court records of the trial for the man the was caught for his murder.
Richard, I am so sorry about your father. Here is a link to the perp’s appeal (which the perp lost). https://law.justia.com/cases/iowa/court-of-appeals/1988/86-1844-0.html
The perp is named Kline Goeders
Thank so much for your help. This helps me find some peace of mind. I was 14 yrs old at the time my dad,was murdered. Guess I just needed to know why . If there’s any photos of that man available. Would like to see one.
Hi Richard, I am sorry that I could not find a photo of the perp. You may, however, want to keep up with the Iowa Board of Parole and let them know how you feel. The perp has been seeking clemency.
Also, to the effect that you want to know “why,” the answer is probably that the perp is just another criminally versatile person. Prior to your father being murdered, he had a history of larceny, as is shown by this link: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/1239451/
The perp was born in September 1955, and at age 18 he was already making the news for his criminal acts.
Later on, while incarcerated for your father’s murder, the whining perp actually had the audacity to sue when he was denied access to sexually explicit materials; her is a link to the federal appellate decision deciding that he didn’t have that right: https://law.resource.org/pub/us/case/reporter/F2/986/986.F2d.257.91-3755.91-3778.92-1702.html
Most recently your father’s murderer has pursued harassing litigation challenging his sentence: https://www.iowacourts.gov/media/documents/3258_6F32212D5F6F4.pdf
I have photo
Well. Didn’t know he had a daughter. If you would like to send the photo to me. Or maybe chat. This is my personal email . CLA8RC@AOL.COM.
What?
No kidding, wow, hard to follow to say the least…
Best I can tell Myra Williams is expressing her remorse to Richard Clark for the death of his father Warren Douglas Clark at the hands of her father Kline Goeders – a man implicated in the death of Mamie Sime (profile on this web site) as well I might add.
You’ll need to fire up some Crystal Meth or something to attempt to follow anything she’s trying to articulate beyond that – totally unintelligible.
Your comments should be respectful. Have u heard the saying if u cant say anything dont say anything at all. Ppl are trying to get piece of mind with the loss of a loved one. Shame on you. Im gonna pray for you my you find peace within yourself and not judge as there is only one true judge our God in heaven. In jesus name i pray Amen.
Wow,really,some guy from California with no DL just happens to be there sticking his two cents in,and she came from California, winner winner chicken dinner, there’s your killer,they obviously had a really bad police force at that time,my guess is that guy wasn’t even a suspect gezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……
hi carolyn this is gracie and I wanted to let you know that I am always looking for her and hoping that she will come home soon and I have a feeling she will very soon and I am sending prayers to find her
A minor thought here….. did I read that in her apartment they found her partial pack of ciggerett …..As a smoker I don’t leave home alone or with someone with out grabbing my ciggerett s ….
Could she have been killed at home …
That might account for no shoes on …
I have read the cold case files of Maureen Farley, Naomi Wilson, and Paula Oberbroeckling. They all took place in the same area of Cedar Rapids, Iowa. I have found some connections between these cases. The landlord renting to Maureen Farley also owned the house where Paula Oberbroeckling was raped and murdered at.
Murder Mystery Reader, thank you for your research. It looks you were using some of us learned in school, the 3R’s, history and geography.
In my research of cold cases, I look at the location on maps. I used to drive and navigate a submarine, so using maps is a regular tool in my research. So, what you hinting at a connection with the landlord in these cases.
In this day and age is easy to go online and find records, and notice a possible connection between incidents, such as location, day of the week, time frame, age of the victims, etc.
It might be just a coincidence, but something to look into. Since, it might provide the needed tidbit, to break these cases, wide open.
I have been researching a cold case of Theresa Fusco, (16), from Lynbrook, New York. It is located on Long Island. Theresa disappeared Nov. 10, 1984, and was found murdered. A Kelly Morrissey, (15), disappeared in June 1984, from the same town. They are identified as friends, however, their is no mention how they were friends. They went to separate high schools.
I was actually trying to get a list of 10 people most likely responsible for Maureen Farley death like Stan Weeber did in his article called “A Preliminary Analysis of the Paula Oberbroeckling Case”. This article came up with a list of 11 people who might be responsible for Paula Oberbroeckling’s death based on geography and their personal relationship to Paula. So geography is definitely being looked at in compiling the list of possible suspects for Maureen Farley’s murder. Some people might think the same person(s) might have killed both Maureen and Paula, so that angle is being looked at. These people think both Maureen’s and Paula’s deaths were due to rapes/murders. Both of their bodies were dumped into ravines extremely close to the Cedar River, in an extremely bad smelly area of Cedar Rapids. Both went missing on a Friday night.
Why do they the Classification as Endangered, Disabled? There has been no mention of her being physically or mentally disabled.
Her family thinks it wasa nervous breakdown due to her husbands death and a miscarriage.
Very sad this man’s widow went to her grave never knowing who killed her husband. 40 years is a long time not knowing. I can only hope whoever did it died themselves a miserable death. I hope Karma got them.
Actually, I should have said above that Matice was “previously accused of molesting a paperboy in Iowa,” rather than “previously known to molest a paperboy in Iowa.”
But he definitely was convicted of child porn in Texas.
Roger Dean Matice, convicted in Texas of child pornography, and previously accused of molesting a paperboy in Iowa, has filed some sort of lawsuit in federal court in Iowa.
https://www.leagle.com/decision/infdco20170809975
This is despite the federal bureau of prisons saying he is in prison in Texas.
I wonder what this is about…
Of course, I don’t want to accuse Matice of being the perp. I merely point out that he #1 was previously accused of sexually molesting an Iowa paper boy and #2 bears a resemblance to the sketch of the suspect in the Johnny Gosch case.
Roger Dean Matice, convicted in Texas of child pornography, and previously accused of molesting a paperboy in Iowa, has filed some sort of lawsuit in federal court in Iowa.
https://www.leagle.com/decision/infdco20170809975
This is despite the federal bureau of prisons saying he is in prison in Texas.
I wonder what this is about…
Of course, I don’t want to accuse Matice of being the perp. I merely point out that he #1 was previously accused of sexually molesting an Iowa paper boy and #2 bears a resemblance to the sketch of the suspect in the Johnny Gosch case.
First point to make is Noreen had scathing things to say about the West Des Moines Police Department,not the Des Moines Police Department. Big difference. Second, for the Gosch and Martin cases, Register Circulation Manager at the time of the disappearance of both Gosch and Martin, Frank Sykora, plead guilty to molesting seven newspaper carriers. Third. another Circulation Manager, Wilbur Millhouse, should be considered a suspect in at least the Gosch case. Finally, there were attempted abductions of Register newspapers carriers outside of the Indianola cases. James Pollack was a 15-year old newspaper carrier who stated a man tried to abduct him on a paper route that was located a mere quarter mile from the Gosch home in West Des Moines. This happened in 1986.
Of course, I don’t want to accuse Matice of being the perp. I merely point out that he #1 was previously accused of sexually molesting an Iowa paper boy and #2 bears a resemblance to the sketch of the suspect in the Johnny Gosch case.
Roger Dean Matice, convicted in Texas of child pornography, and previously known to molest a paperboy in Iowa, has filed some sort of lawsuit in federal court in Iowa.
https://www.leagle.com/decision/infdco20170809975
This is despite the federal bureau of prisons saying he is in prison in Texas.
I wonder what this is about…
Again, I am Paul Rayer’s granddaughter, the other deceased murdered victim in this unsolved case. Recently, I spoke again to a good friend of my deceased grandfather, and whether you would believe this or not, he was very close to my grandfather, Paul Rayer, and after he was murdered, this man had dreams of Paul sitting on the end of his bed and telling him that it was a station wagon and it was either light blue or gray, and he had the license plate very vivid in his head, but after going to the police/FBI, he tried to remember it and asked them to hypnotize him to get the license plate number back in his head for evidence to check it out. They were not interested he said. It wouldn’t have hurt at least checking it out! There were no other closer leads back then that I have heard of. Anyway, I just spoke to him again last month regarding my grandfather and we talked of his past memories with him again. He is a very sweet man and loved my grandfather dearly. To this day, he wishes they would have hypnotized him to at least TRY to recover the license plate number…you never know. I have wanted to do something about this mystery since I was a young girl and I remember telling my grandmother, Paul’s wife, you have to contact Unsolved Mysteries, Grandma! We need to find out who did this! I wish too that there was something else I could do to help solve this!
“Mootz told authorities he and Arensdorf planned to share a cab to East Dubuque after her friends departed from the bar.”
This type of thing infuriates me. NEVER leave a friend alone in a bar or club!! In college my friends and I had a rule about this very thing.
““I think she knew the person, because there was no struggle,” Cochran said. “I’m sure she looked up, gave a big smile and probably that was it.””
There’s really no doubt about that. If her murder is ever solved, her family and friends will probably be shocked to find out who it was. I know a man was supposedly spotted but is it possible this is a red herring? It’s amazing how few clues there are in this case.
Back when this happened, a friend and I both believed she was murdered by a jealous friend. She’s successful, beautiful, and looks very happy in her pictures. I can imagine someone close to her being envious of her life.
“The family also told KCCI that Okland sent a text message to a friend less than five minutes before she died; it was not a plea for help.”
Creepy. Her killer is already there, probably just hanging out having a chat while she’s oblivious to the fact she’s about to be murdered. I assume that text offered no clue as to what was going on.
I feel really sorry for her. She was obviously blind sided….a blitz attack but with a gun. She didn’t have a chance.
Her killer was bold. In the afternoon when anyone could’ve been outside or even walked in. Shot her in the head and chest…guaranteeing she doesn’t get out alive.
Any details of the “commotion” heard by the witness ever released?
Ex-boyfriend???
Tracy, curious to know how you know she was shot in the head and chest….. those details weren’t released to the public……. and you really think the police would release information about the commotion that the neighbor had heard? Hmmmmmm
I believe it has been released that she was shot in the head and chest. I’d definitely heard that just after it happened.
I don’t mean for this to sound judgmental as I was no saint in high school/college but here’s my opinion on this case….
She’s juggling too many guys, one which cant even be accounted for. In most situations women can handle this but in others…
Her pregnancy is what set things in motion. The fact she was dating “colored” guys as well did not make the situation easier. She “thought” she was pregnant? NEVER mention pregnancy if you’re with more than one guy until you’re sure that you’re pregnant.
Any time a woman disappears and/or is murdered after an argument with a guy, shouldn’t be too hard to connect the dots.
This was a long time ago. I knew Lonnie quite well. He came over to my place very upset. Said he couldn’t believe they were questioning him as a suspect. Lonnie told me that He would never harm Paula.
Steve Gross
Wayne, I’d really like to discuss this with you more, but in a private conversation, for now. Please email me? susantaylorchehak at gmail.com
I always wished some one could provide a map of the Stillinger place to the Moore house.
Jim Farrell, I have maps…jynnxter – at – Hotmail – dot – com
Mikaela Bond Hill was killed this year in June. There were no arrests. Do you have any updates about her case?
I grew up in Collins, Iowa. Does anyone know the suspects name?
If nobody here is interested in helping me or solving this i’ll move on to a different website that is more productive and serious. Did like this would be so one sided and unresponsive…how depressing !
It’s not the role of this website or of its dedicated, tireless, and unpaid webmaster to try to solve crimes. This website provides information. Law enforcement solves crimes.
Thank you, Jody, for all that you do, and for your unflagging efforts on behalf of victims’ families for the past many years. You’re the best!
People who use and appreciate this site should donate funds to help keep it going.
I am very interested in what you’re saying Don. I , too, see what was said and it was totally debunked. I think the man who goes there is definitely a great place to start! Someone has that murder on their hands!
An old newspaper article says:
“IOWA CITY — Karen Ann Christensen, 28, a former media specialist at Coolidge elementary school in Cedar Rapids, has been identified as the second victim of a mysterious blaze which destroyed a pickup truck north of Marina 218. Johnson county authorities Friday confirmed that dental records provided by her dentist provided the positive identification. The other victim, identified Thursday as Larry Gordon Wells, 25, Marathon, was Miss Christensen’s first cousin and lifelong friend, Johnson county Sheriff Gary Hughes said Friday. Wells also was identified through dental records after Iowa bureau of criminal investigation agents traced him through registration records for his truck. In Marathon Positive identification of both victims was made by Dr. Clayton Schalla of the oral surgery department of University hospitals in Iowa City. Miss Christensen, who had been living with her cousin in Marathon for the last year, was a divorcee. Her ex-husband, Duane Seward, lives in Cedar Rapids. Born Aug. 27, 1947, Miss Christensen was employed at Coolidge school from 1969 until May 20, 1974, when she took a leave of absence for personal reasons. She asked to be released from her teaching contract May 9, 1975. Acquaintances in Cedar Rapids termed her “a nice gal and a good teacher. She did a very good job.” Becky Pewsey, a teacher at Coolidge and a close friend, said Miss Christensen hadn’t been working the last year.”
Thank You, the reason I’m asking for the exact location is to confirm a rumor I have been following that flowers have been put on the crime sight still to this day.
I have a Private Investigation background and would like to pursue this lead.
I truly believe the answers to this murder is in the very spot it occurred.
Thank You, Don.
Yes It would be nice to know who did this to my brother!!! We all miss him very much and think about him all the time.
Have they ever tested evidence for DNA?Testing is a lot more accurate today and if the haven’t that’s something the family needs to push for.We miss him so much and would be great if we see a break in the case while we are still living.
Yes it would be nice Angie.Would like to see an arrest made in our lifetime. We miss him and justice needs to be served.
I have been praying ever since this happened to both babies. I remember reading about it in the paper and it just broke my heart. I pray the parents turn themselves in or that the Police find them. My prayers remain with both babies.
It is my belief that Louis Dale Reed was murdered by the parent or relative of yet another child he sexual molested. I was six years old when he sexually abuse me at his junk yard when my mother and her then boyfriend left my sister and I at the junkyard. I was a senior in high school when he was shot dead. His death lifted some of the emotional damage I carried. there isn’t a day that goes by that I cant visualize the acts he forced on my tiny body.
I may or may not win the Pulitzer Prize for reporting, I may not be a lawyer and I may be wrong about many things, but there were good reason for anyone to be concerned about this trial. I had a right and duty to say something:
(see more here) https://youtu.be/s6c9EMwAbwY?t=1m51s
If no one listened or if County Attorney Ben Smith trashes me personally, so be it, but to use his power to punish me and shut me down and ruin my life is unwarranted, offensive and illegal. I may wrong on my broader concerns about a conspiracy with Tracey Richter (then Roberts) ex-husband and Ben Smith, but when Ben Smith went that far to punish not just me but others, it makes me unable to shake that I am right about that as well.
I might not be a genius reporter, but why was I threatened with arrest for interfering with a murder investigation if I set foot in Iowa? Why didn’t County Attorney Ben Smith disclose he was dating his star witnesses daughter?
County Attorney Ben Smith, testifying as a witness for Michael Roberts, stated my article was a lie when I published Michael Roberts failed police polygraph.
I’m not a genius reporter but when I called the tip line about Michael Roberts prior to Tracey ever being arrested, but never had a returned call. He did criminally charge me, and I was facing 25 years in prison unless I retracted my articles. I think that should make others in Iowa, ask why?
https://youtu.be/s6c9EMwAbwY?t=1m51s
I couldn’t even imagine what these parents are going through. My heart goes out to them. No parent should ever have to bury their child.
I wish you would reopen the Edi Torres case, shot the morning of October 1, 2005. You have the wrong person in prison. Justice is not about putting someone in prison, it’s about putting the right person in prison. Edi Torres’ family does not have justice for him. And there is no justice for Danny Sing as long as he remains in prison for a crime he didn’t commit.
Herb doesn’t know anything. Just one of MANY who now troll the crime sites acting like they’re experts when in reality they don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground.
They watch an episode of Law & Order, CSI and Silence of the Lambs and are now profilers. His type has ruined all these sites. I usually ignore comments sections and of course sites like Reddit are flooded with his type.
I wish for compassion and and the truth as to this loss of life but I don’t wish bad to happen to anyone.
Aren’t we all so proud of ourselves of getting David Flores out of prison, so he could continue his life of crime and victimize more innocents.
Aren’t we all so proud?
Blame jurors not everybody
I don’t remember ever hearing of this slaying, even as I got older. I hope that this will, somehow, be solved for the family. Someone, somewhere, knows what happened.
This kid has been seen in Davenport iowa by KFC and new China restraunt he was spotted there twice by a friend. We looked at his pictures above and confirmed that is him. Has been walking I don’t k is if he ran away or was taken but he claims he 19
My name is Alex of you need more information I can be contacted at
563-459-7356
I have notified his Mom of the latest reply, hopefully this pans out, and I pray, like many, he is OK, he’s aged out, he should contact a family member at least to stop all the worrying, especially his Mom.
Did anything come of this lead? I pray he is found.
Emma, his Mom said she looked into it, and it wasn’t him, something fishy with this, No-one is helping Her with locating him.
My mom Sherrie Brown was helping her to find Freddie but the family told her that they didn’t want her help so mom back off
I’d like to reopen the case and see if I can find some things out or missing clues …I believe he’s gone it’s not fair to them what happened to Freddie if anyone knows what happened call me 813-550-8537 I’m Mr Jaelen Brown
When was this
why did family?. were the girls sexually messed with?. nice looking family. good people.
One would have to understand the religious climate of the day. The Stillinger children did not attend public school, and one map from 1912 places the Stillinger school on their property. The church service the two attended with the Moore’s was Christian…and in those days, Amish, Mormon, Mennonite and other sects separated themselves because of their ‘different views’ regarding proper treatment of girls and women. Lena was the object of the event, and the scene found in the morning, was exactly according to the ”Blood atonement ritual” practiced by the fundamentalist Mormons. The ‘hints’ were all documented in the first few days after the murders took place. You’ve never heard this before because it has been the missing piece of evidence that no one noticed…. and of course the fact that they were all ‘knocked in the head’ and placed in their beds before Lena was forced to witness what had to be done to protect their community of brothers and sisters.
Then a decade later, Elizabeth died unexpectedly:
ELIZABETH “LIZ” HEMMINGER
Cedar Rapids
Elizabeth “Liz”
Hemminger, 52, of Cedar
Rapids, died suddenly
Thursday, Aug. 13, 2015, at
Mercy Medical Center,
Cedar Rapids. A memorial
service will be at a later
date.
Liz was born Jan. 29,
1963, in Cedar Rapids to
Thomas and Carolyn (Null)
Hemminger. She worked at
Goodwill, and liked cats
and birds. She enjoyed
sewing, embroidery and
cooking. She was a
member of Father’s House
Church.
Survivors include her
longtime partner, Shawn
Franklin; father, Thomas
Hemminger; mother,
Carolyn Marquez; sisters,
Terry Marquez of
Kingman, Ariz., and
Michelle Hemminger of
Amana; brother, Matthew
Hemminger of Fairfax; her
stepbrothers and
stepsisters; special cousin,
Dwayne Janey; and many
aunts, uncles, nieces,
nephews and friends.
Liz was preceded in
death by her grandparents,
stepfather and uncle.
From the 2005 Cedar Rapids Gazette (again pertaining to Shawn Franklin, son of Alvernia Beets Franklin):
Shawn Franklin. 52, of 530 Bentley Dr., Marion, for assault
causing bodily injury (domestic abuse) at 1:30 p.m. Friday;
accused of assaulting Elizabeth Hemmnger at their residence
1978 (pertaining to Alvernia Franklin’s son Shawn):
Judge refused to throw out riot charges against seven
Seven persons facing aggravated
misdemeanor charges in connection
with a confrontation with Cedar Rapids
police outside a southeast Cedar
Rapids tavern on May 20 have been
thwarted in their attempt to have the
charges dismissed.
Charles Hodges, 25; Roy Williams,
27; Edward L. Williams, 25;
Daniel J. Morgan, 21; Shawn Franklin,
26; Rufus Lea, 33; and John
Pledge, 42, face a rioting charge in
connection with the incident outside
the L & H Lounge.
From the January 21, 1976 Cedar Rapids Gazette, pertaining to Sammie Franklin, the son of Alvernia Beets Franklin (demonstrating more genetic psychopathy in this family, and no doubt yet another possibility in Naomi’s disappearance):
Police nab man wanted in Milwaukee
Sammie Franklin, 29, was arrested at a Cedar Rapids residence Tuesday on a charge Filed by Milwaukee police. Franklin was arrested shortly after 9:30 p.m. on a charge of “injury by conduct regardless of life.” Police reported Franklin listed his address as 1041 Fourth avenue SE, the place of his arrest. Franklin was being held in the county jail pending extradition to Milwaukee.
Two Beets siblings (Alvernia Beets Franklin and Thomas Beets, siblings to Colbert, Wendell, and Co.) were present at the scene of a shooting death in November, 1952. From the December 21, 1952 Cedar Rapids Gazette:
Woman Fatally Shot; Police Call Death Accidental
Mrs. Jack Reed, 22, of 908 Ninth street SE was fatally shot about 8:45 p.m. Saturday. Police termed her death accidental.
Sam Franklin, 28, who lives at the same address, told police that he was an eye-witness. Franklin’s story was this:
Mrs. Reed had been changing her clothes in one room of the second-floor apartment while Franklin was in another room. The woman then walked into the room where Franklin was and said “Sam, look what I got here.”
Displayed Pistol.
She was holding a small automatic pistol in her hand. Police identified it as an Italian 7.65- caliber automatic. Franklin said that he told Mrs. Reed to put the gun away but she continued to hold it. “Let me show you how it works,” Franklin quoted the woman as saying. Then, she started to pull back the slide on the gun and it went off, according to Franklin’s story.
Franklin’s wife backed up her husband’s story. She said that she too saw Mrs. Reed shoot herself by accident. “Don’t play with that thing,” Mrs. Franklin said she told Mrs. Reed just before the gun went off.
Detective Captain John Kuba said, after all witnesses were questioned, that the shooting was apparently accidental.
The clip to the gun was found on the floor of the apartment and Captain Kuba surmised that Mrs. Reed had removed it and thought the gun was not loaded. One cartridge remained in the firing chamber, however. Kuba also noted that the gun’s safety catch was worn so that the gun could be fired even with the safety on.
In another room at the time of the shooting was Thomas Beets, 21, of 84 Eighth street SW, a brother of Mrs. Franklin. He said that he heard the shot but didn’t realize it was a gun firing.
Taken to Hospital.
Then, Beets said, he saw Mrs. Reed walk past the room where he was sitting. She stood at the top of a stairway, he said, and then turned back. Beets said that he noticed then that there was blood on the front of her clothing.
Beets said that he ran over and caught her just as she fell. She was taken to a local hospital by Ambulance service and was pronounced dead on arrival.
Police recovered the fatal bullet on the kitchen floor of the apartment. By the time officers arrived a number of neighbors and friends were in the apartment.
The dead woman’s husband arrived about 20 minutes after his wife was shot. The Reeds and others in the apartment at the time were all Negroes. Witnesses Franklin and Beets were taken to the police department for questioning.
It appears that Corey’s mother has passed before seeing justice in her sons case. Thoughts and prayers to the family.
Thanks so much for sharing this, anon. I’m deeply saddened by her death and appreciate all the photos she shared with me for use on Corey’s page. It’s such a tragic thing to leave this earth not knowing what happened to one’s beloved son. My heartfelt condolences go out to her remaining family and friends.
Michellaina or Michelaina Siemer also went missing from Cedar Rapids in 1983, age 37. She was reported missing by a friend on October 5, 1983. The police said at the time that her marriage was “stormy” and that she had a history of walking away. The police also said that for all they knew, she went back to Sweden, where she was from.
This woman vanished and there is no record anywhere of her ever showing up again.
I am so sorry to hear that you lost your father this way. Thank you for sharing.
A friend comments that he looked like a technician at the following company
https://www.outerbankscomputerrepair.com/
Hey mom…its me again. I met the love of my life and we are expecting another baby..I wish you were here so you can meet your grand daughter, she turns 3 in January.. Not a day goes by where you aren’t on my mind. I love and miss you mom and I know you’re watching me from above. Fly high <3
Hard to believe, this devil got away with murder.
When he should have gotten death.
Shocking, simply shocking. What the hell is the matter with Iowa laws.
What happened to Arthur Scott Jr?
i was around the same age as tammy and remember seeing the news stories when she first went missing and it scared me to death as a young man i have since gotten into law enforcement and left it mainly because of what happened in tammy’s case a lack of seriousness about cases cops seem to feel they don’t need to be very thorough in missing investigations because a lot turn up alive and cops feel this is a waist of time she with a boyfriend or had a fight with the family and so special care is not taken and extra steps are no taken in the initial investigation but once the scene is cleared and other people are allowed back in the scene is contaminated and any evidence that wasn’t collected is lost for life i have followed this case and is saddened that this young bright girl who was trying to go to school to get a college education was so salvagerly murdured with overkill and her dad has now passed away not never finding out who murdered his daughter i can’t believe dna has solved this case which tells me that A either none was collected or B the real killer has high up connections and evidence was lost on purpose there should have been a ton of evidence to link some one the guy more than likely touched her car to pretend to want to help, fiber sand hair from his clothing should have transfered to the blanket as he was carrying her to the dump area all log sheets for truckers traveling through that area should have been looked into for missing time unaccounted for or being late on deliveries so being a former cop this reaks of a family member or friend of a high ranking law enforcement official in that area who was able to infirtrate the investigation and lose or alter evidence you would to almost have a PHD in forensics to be able to avoid leaving tons of evidence behind and WERE TALKING 1992 none of the forensics shows were really on tv to educate the public on how evidence left behind in a crime scene can connect someone why wasn’t there pubic hair transfers even if a condom is used, why wasn’t there hair transfer,to the blanket she was carried in SOMETHINGS NOT RIGHT HERE,if it was a ordinary trucker your telling me he is that edept in forensics that he didn’t leave no evidence behind i don;t buy it the only other possible thing that could have happen is that when a case becomes real big some cops or forensics take evidence home and keep it as a souvernier to show friends a family later of a big case they were involved in which is bad
I was told that alot of carnival workers were buried in Hugo tx and have alot of unclaimed
I love you bro and wish you was here to meet your bad ass niece??and see all the good things I hear your handsome boys my nephews are doing ❤️❤️?I love you and miss you dearly???
Praying for these cases get resolved. My heart and thoughts to the families and friends.
Still hoping, wishing, praying that these cases will yet be solved, especially Lisa’s – I was a fellow Wartburg student then & from the same hometown. Changed my life and so many others We will never forget……
My cousin Guy Howard Heckle has been missing since February 1973 fron Toddville Iowa, at his 1st boyscout campout. Please profile his case. Ty
Dee was my sister Cindys best friend. Dee would never have left her daughter. Dave was creepy then and is still to this day. For almost 35 years he has gotten away with the murder of Dee. I don’t ever want to give up hope that he will face justice someday. Dee was part of our famile.
She told us the same thing. I wish that we could find her
Long shot, but I can’t help but wonder if Robert Hansen could have “visted” back home for a while. He was supposedly in Anchorage in 1967, but also states his killings there didn’t start until 1971. He was known to tie women to posts in the wilderness. Typically 16-19. I wonder how close of a timeline the FBI could have on him given so little was actually tracked or trackable back them. Even with Schaefer…their dates active are just what they can (for the most part prove/guess) right? Just because he killed in Florida, doesn’t mean he wasn’t inspired by previous unknown activity in Iowa.
Sounds to me like the Des Moines police are afraid to do their job.Move out of the way and let some new blood take over the investigations of unsolved murders.
My thoughts exactly..I am her daughter and it has been a complete nightmare dealing with Dmpd and getting justice for my mother. Keep us in your prayers!
Those women look like they’d beat you to death with their bibles!
I am glad so many Have not forgotten my dear brother. Mom and I were there at the funeral, it was such a shock, I couldn’t believe it happened to my dear brother. I am older now and have medical problems, so I would love seeing it resolved before I go home to be with Jesus!
He was found below the bathroom where he had fallen through the second floor, he was also found with accelerant on him, and it was in the bathroom.
I can only assume that the statement “did not die of smoke inhalation” means that smoke was not found in his lungs. Does anyone else think it possible the child was dead/killed before the fire started?
Jim, he was not deceased first. His cause of death is thermal injures. No smoke in his lungs because his airways were literally burned before the smoke could get there.
Robin,
I tried to contact you via email a few years ago. Jody and Tim as well. I only heard back once. I still am waiting to go back and do my senior project for my bachelor’s degree in Criminal Justice. I would be so happy to have your blessing to do so and reach out to a few contacts Jody sent me. If you and/or Rick would be willing to do an interview for my thesis when I go back to school I would so appreciate it. Would you please consider?
Natalia, I responded to you via email tonight, and will check back in with you tomorrow (Thursday). Thanks so much for writing and your willingness to help us work toward justice in Ricky’s case!
Natalia, first off I want to apologize for not getting back to you sooner. I talked to Rick the same day I saw your message and then I spaced off replying and that’s my fault. Again, I apologize.
You have both of our blessings as wells as Reggy’s. We would be happy to do an interview with you and answer any questions you may have. Ricky stated he would like it if you could work it around his work schedule. He generally has most weekends off. If that won’t work for you he said he could always participate over the phone. Looking forward to hearing from you. Thank you for taking an interest in Ricky’s case.
Thank you so much, I look forward to speaking with you soon! I will reach out via email instead of on here next time.
Also, thank you Jody for taking the time to help me and Robin connect.
What about Kendall Foster
I am a retired Illinois State Trooper and worked in District 21 Ashkum at the time.I was not involved in the investigation, however,I do feel it was a case that should have been solved.Sunday, new week, possible tollway video and toll booth on I-80 and location of her recovered vehicle. These factors alone would lead me to believe the route taken by the offender was I-80 to Rt. 59 south to I-55 in Bloomington to I-44 St. Louis and southwest to location where victim found. A large number of truck stop on the route. I don’t know anything about the specific of the case at the time, however a major aggressive in investigation by FBI, Illinois,and Missouri State Police manpower I think would have solved the case.
Lee is exactly right bob
dito
Fiction makes for great reading material and some of this story is pure bullshit made up by people wanting to add to the story how many decades later?? Your not a fact checker you make your own opinions and listen to hearsay without any responsible reporting, because I would love nothing more than to see a copy of my dad’s non existent suicide letter, and I’m sure his suicide had nothing to do with his mental illness or my parents separation. Funny I was told 3 years ago that my dad went to Kenny’s house but he wasn’t home, now it’s he went to his job? Let’s at least keep it consistent. This really is the lowest that people can stoop to talk about someone who has been dead for so long and to let his children read that he wrote a suicide note because of something that happened 20 years before he died, because not one person in my family has ever seen this alleged note. This is disgusting.
Kim Gill, I am so sorry that, your Dad, was put into this article. It is bad enough, that one family, had to suffers though this. Then to add another family with no prove of a letter! I went to school with your dad. I was back in town shortly, after his death. My Grandmother told me about it and she said Gordon, mother had been worried about him because he had be so depressed and recently been separated from his wife. I too, as many do suffer from mental illness, it is a hard thing to ask for help for, and a hard thing to treat. I hope you learn not to let the fool out there hurt. No one know your Dad like you and yours. He was a good person. And nothing anyone can say can hurt him now. So don’t let it hurt you. God Bless you and your family.
https://www.kcci.com/article/first-degree-murder-trial-for-shanna-golyar-begins/12014389
Justice has been served!
Is there still a reward for info leading to the arrest of big Earl’s killer?
Why do you know something? Contact police and ask
Dsm lady, yes there is. Do you have information?
Fortunately for all involved, Patrick W. Hill Sr shot himself on 08/12/17. May he burn in hell!
I miss my sister. Gone but never forgotten, love you sister.
I’m so sorry for your loss!
This doesn’t really describe WHAT happened to her.
So sad!!
Why do you describe a 5’8″, 130 pound woman as “stout”? She would actually appear rather thin.
Must have been the times Merlehay. I thought the same thing.
I agree.
Hello! I’m a granddaughter of the other deceased man, Paul Rayer, in this case. I would love to speak with you, Cindy Chevalier, regarding this case. I called the phone numbers above to try to get a phone number for you, but the police dept. did not help me very much. I was transferred many times and finally to an area without much ambition to help me get in contact with you. Maybe you can email me if you see this. Or I’d love to talk to you, Mr. Kerns. I’ve also always wanted to help solve the death of my grandfather! I may or may not have a bit of information to share. Tina
Raytel88@att.net
This article has said that 2 boys from Illinois killed her years ago…Now it doesn’t even mention them… people and investigators need to make their own judgements based on facts and not rumors
Yeah my good friend Billy worthen was arrested and wrongfully accused for this. So sad and tragic but wrong of the law enforcement officials to wrongfully accuse and treat a man so poorly..
looking for any further information…
Laura Barlow….how do you know Guy and about his case?? Im his cousin..his mom is my Aunt Nancy…we would love to hear about any informationyouve gathered..please and thank you. Thank you for not letting his memory just fade💖
How far away from the archery club where they? Was anyone from there interviewed? I am a mushroom hunter. For years i walk those hills. Always looking..Thanks.
Thank you Brian….we so appreciate you keeping him in your thoughts when you are in the area! Not sure how far from the archery area the camp was but we will look into it for sure. All of the scouts and scout leader were interviewed…but not sure how far out they reached.
Please let us know if you think of anything else.
Sincerely,
Laura Knowles
Laura…
The scout master and scouts were interviewed in depth. I can promise you without a doubt that there was no foul play. If you have any questions please feel free to ask.
Hi Jeff! As I have talked to my family extensively and understand that you have spoken to each of them extensively. Please know the next generation of Guys family has surfaced and doing everything and anything we can to try and solve this case. Thank you for your honesty and know we are doing anything and everything we can to solve this case. I have seen how many times you have claimed to know information and I have no doubt that you do. This child has not been found and I make it my life’s mission to solve who kidnapped my second cousin. We would love to speak to you but already know the information that you have given. Fresh eyes is ultimately what this case needs and we won’t sleep until there is justice for guy!
Small world. I am also a cousin. My mom and Howard were brother/sister. I think of Guy very often. And always on this date 😢
Hi Laura – Uncle Howard was one of my absolute favorite people in the world! His sweet nature and contagious laugh will never be forgotten. I just wish there had been some closure for him while he was still living. Aunt Nancy is still alive and doing well. We spent time in the summers with Howard and Nancy and the kids regularly – Guy was about 6 years older than me, but was always kind, sweet and fun. It’s just not right that people have to go their whole life without closure for something so personal and close to the heart. Thanks for replying and reaching out. I hope someday there will be some answers.
Laura Knowles
Wow I watch crime investigator shows all the time and had no idea this much was going on in my own backyard
Dude looks like Ned Flanders
John DeCamp has died: https://journalstar.com/legislature/controversial-former-senator-john-decamp-dies/article_8fb384a2-2f9a-510e-874b-2f4f535b5c04.html
I can’t believe it’s been nearly six years
I remember the day I was told. It was two days after my brothers birthday. It was the night/morning after his party and I have the last card they gave to anybody in our family. I went through middle and high school remembering the pain and thinking through this. It still breaks my heart that somebody would do something this heinous and that it could’ve been because of some stupid auction.
I just want closure. Even if My great-grandma Kay is dead, and we can’t talk to her again, I just want to know what happened. The pain and speculation hurts and it messes people up. It messes families up and it makes mental health work.
I love them so much. I miss them so much.
I will go into my Senior year with pain in my heart that they can’t see me achieve my dreams like they wanted to.
And they they can’t see my brother do that either.
Jo, I’m so sorry your great-grandparents’ case remains unsolved and so many questions have gone unanswered. It’s a terribly heavy burden to bear, especially not knowing what happened to your great-grandma or the “whys” behind these crimes.
Please enter your senior year with confidence and determination to still achieve the goals and dreams you set out to achieve. (And this includes your brother.) These are “your” dreams – your lives – and they matter every much as your great-grandparents’ lives mattered. Don’t give up on seeing justice service in this heinous crime, but don’t let those responsible get away with destroying even more lives by holding you back.
Investigators have never given up on solving this case, and just because they’ve made no arrests doesn’t mean they don’t know who did it and aren’t working to make charges stick once they’re filed. They get only that one chance. Anyone who’s lost a loved one knows it alters our perception of the world in which we live, but it doesn’t mean you can’t still live yours to its fullest potential, just as those now gone would have wished.
My deepest condolences to all your family members.
Can’t believe after all this time that adam Schumacher hasn’t been investigated…… at least given a hard, hard look….. fucking snake works at fed ex I think? Carma is a bitch…… every one is fooled by the church, family guy image….. well, behind the mask……..P*%#& of. S*#”
Adam Schumacher is he from Stuart area?
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Warren prosecutors suck that’s why this hasnt been solved, if this were to happen in polk county alot more intensive investating would take place. I live less than few miles from the woods murder and this isnt the 1st time foul play happens across county lines it’s sad but an entire family was murdered 32 years down the street my folks live on few miles fro. The woods and an murdered woman body also found by hunters to complete separate case from the woods. I hope they find whoever’s did this but I also hope warren county finds better prosecutors
I sat through most of this trial as a totally unbiased observer. I had never heard about the case before. Do I think she’s guilty? Absolutely. It was obviously a crime of passion. All of the pieces of the puzzle seem to point to Terry Supino as the murderer. But, if I had been a juror, I could not have convicted her. There was no hard evidence that tied her to the crime. No murder weapon. No blood found on clothes or vehicles. All the evidence was circumstantial. And that’s not enough to convict. Fascinating case.
Due to it being a crime of passion, is the main reason why this evil b**** got off scott free. Now, had she not had the murder weapon when she found them together, left only to come back with every intention to kill…is then considered premeditated and she would’ve been found guilty. I don’t know how a person who has pretty much sold her soul to the devil, can sleep at night. Oh wait…yes as a matter of fact I do…to her (as you see in many different pictures) she’s all smiles. #ONECOLDHEARTLESSB****
Please check the Des Moines Register May 14th 1993 for information on Johnetta Jackson. There is an article on someone whom shot himself.
Of course she did it. Who had the motive and time to do it, she did. A naked man confronts them, then orders her to get undressed? Very rarely a person ever escapes like that. She said her husband told her to run, in effect making him the hero so she didn’t die. He tied him tight but didn’t tie her tight, so she escaped. If it quacks like a …….
I agree, the story doesn’t add up.
It amazes me that everyone here is so quick to judge. I also grew up in Dubuque, I always loved this town and it still has a spot in my heart. Yes there are cold cases, which is very unfortunate, but if you compare our list to other cities it is quite short. So in that aspect I believe our police are doing a fairly good job. It does so suck for the loved ones of these cases because they do not get their closure or justice. That doesn’t mean that these will still never be solved. As in any case, you have to trust that our officers and investigators are doing the best they can with the evidence provided. I know in a lot of cases officers may know beyond doubt who did what, but without the evidence to prove it they can’t proceed. I am not in any way saying that the people lost in these cases should be forgotten or the cases no longer worked, but more to the people commenting on here and making such judgments about the police and other people they believe to be guilty, if you think you can do a better job at solving these cases or you have such facts as to who the guilty party is then prove it and pony up on the evidence needed to solve these cases. Otherwise, shut up. This site is more for remembering the ones lost in these cases. So if you can’t do the same thing the police weren’t able to do, respect the families of the lost and offer up prayer and condolences instead of worthless judgments and false accusations.
where is collin brown?
There were arrests made in connection to Collin Brown’s murder, including several people who were charged with first degree murder:
https://103wjod.com/two-more-arrest-in-the-homicide-of-collin-brown-last-april/
Some of the suspects have already taken plea deals on lesser charges in exchange for their testimony against the killer/s. One of the men, Imere Hall, has already been found guilty of first degree murder, while two others still await trial on their first degree murder charges:
https://www.telegraphherald.com/news/breaking/article_c588d121-d5b7-5942-a7f2-bc761527c26a.html
Since there were arrests made in Brown’s case and one person already convicted of first degree murder in his death, his case is considered solved at this point.
I’ve got good reason to believe there’s a lot more connected to Collins case than they have let on. These dumbasses in court is just the tip.
Collin was one of my roommates for more than a few occasions.
People in his immediate vicinity or circle keep changing stories. And believe me the shit that has been admitted since is completely fucked.
Law enforcement knocked off my friend and replaced him with more submissive people when he wanted to get out of that shit.
MOTHERFUCKERS ARE WANDERING OUT AND FREE AND THINKING THAT THEY CANT BE TOUCHED BC THEY ARE SET LOOSE BY THE COPS IN EXCHANGE FOR INFO
AND SOME OF THESE COCKSUCKERS THINk I dont know.
Where is the justice when we get to pay for their rent and for them to be protected for the rest of their lives? When my friend is laying in the fucking ground!
His memory has been constantly disrespected and tarnished since the goddamn funeral and now there’s a bunch of assholes set loose by the Dubuque cops thinking they can do whatever the fuck they want and poison the community, drive the good people down into the ground, and perpetuate all this misery and pain
Panamared- I’m extremely sorry and sad that you lost your friend and truly hope that life is getting better for everyone that knew and loved Collin.
You won’t want to read this because it only adds to the wounds: You should know that Collin was not an innocent individual, albeit, his life should not have ended nor should the robbery have taken place to begin with, but Collin was involved with the drug world(you being his friend should know about this to the “T”) and surrounded himself with many shady people, It is 100% nonsensical for people and his family/friends to continually hide and ignore that fact or try to justify it by other means due to his very unfortunate death.
Anyway, I thought I “knew” the killer/planner(s) of the robbery very well, as my sister had a child with
him, but could never have imagined in my wildest dreams that he would some day commit a homicide, none of us did. You need to know, as you already should, that there’s many sides to this extremely sad case. Noone should have died, but when drugs are involved, and when someone sells those bad batches of drugs(Collin) causing other people to get sick, or in one situation causing overdose that lead to death which couldn’t fully be pinpointed back to a certain person, but everyone knew due to close relations and sales contacts.. Well… You clearly know what happened after that…..
Then there were cover-ups, the media coverage, the hearings, the lies, and many stories that simply didn’t add up to the big picture, and to throw salt on the wound, Collin’s child will be raised without a father and his family and friends are at a complete loss; on top of that, my sister and family are dealing with Tacari’s aftermath as well, not only does she get his bad reputation that she couldn’t control, but now she has to raise a toddler alone because her father was involved in the drug life and committed this disgustingly heinous crime leading to a life behind bars. And…. not just Collin’s case, but 1000s of cases throughout the U.S. have occured in similar fashion due to very similar situations which can and should be avoided by staying away from drugs.
My advice, stay away from drugs and anyone that’s involved with such practices.
Collins case was horseshit and cops replaced my friend knocked him off and replaced him rather with more submissive people. People outside the case have admitted shit and stories keep changing
They think I don’t keep track of what these bastards say when they forget he was my roomate more than a few occasions
Let’s just keep perpetuating the shit thatll eventually drive all of dubtown into the ground. Assholes set loose by the cops thinking they can do whatever the hell they want poisoning the community.
Kharma is very unforgiving v
So, wait. You’re saying that the police killed Collin Brown, in order to “replace” him, and then pinned it on others? Am I getting that right?
How about in the future you refrain from making such ridiculous accusations, especially considering the authorities did an excellent job in closing that case. Crackpot theories and false rumors are a huge reason that a lot of these cases remain unsolved. They only serve to muddy the waters, and take up valuable time and resources to investigate.
They’ve Caught Everyone Involved With Collins Murder….
But What About My Friend Jimmy Richardson Who Was Shot & Killed On Rhomberg ? Where’s His Justice ?
Or Brandon O’Rourke. I graduated with that man.
Bottom line is there is no justice when we get to pay these fuckers’ rent for the rest of their lives
As they sit and smile in court and even at our friends funerals.
Rest in peace Dubuque.
My friends memories have been lost tarnished forgotten thrown away starting at their own goddamn funerals!
What? So some assholes can make more money off of our blood and tears as concern is pushed aside for the “growth” of Dubuque into a fucking tumor
They were just kids and I won’t forget. And kharma hurts real fucking bad
Like how bad it hurts seeing my friends being put to rest into the fucking dirt every time. People don’t learn unless it’s the hard way because guess what
Human beings are the only creatures to claim a good, but we are the only ones who also act like we ain’t got no one to answer to in the end
brandon commited suicide
This is Collin Browns dad. Collin was into drugs and selling, tho he did not deserve to die, he still did wrong. We are fighting a spiritual battle that we can’t win alone. When the men who killed my son were convicted, I forgave them at their sentencing. You see unless we all accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, we will all end up in hell. So you think that those who killed Collin are getting away your wrong they still have to pay eternally, unless they accept Jesus and ask for forgiveness. So I am asking you all to repent of your sins and ask Jesus Christ to be your Lord and Savior.
ShelJo- is that you?
Why would you ask that? He’s R.I.P. and his killers are in prison for life.
If there is anyone that new my mom well trying to get idea of what she was like.
This really is crazy I was born and raised here and I only new about the 3. OK I understand the cops are busy (not) but really these are peoples loves ones. No answers dont have a clue were there at. Get your asses out there and do your jobs you can’t till me there’s no desk cop that would love a cold case. If theses were my loves ones my butt would be down at the police station every single day till I died. To theses family ?
It’s been how many years & the cops still don’t know who Marlons killers are he was a good kid no one need to die at a young age he had is whole life ahead of him ?? Rip Marlons
WPD sucks! I can’t count how many times I’ve called & got the run around! It makes me sick to think that my mother’s death will remain unsolved, because they didn’t take their jobs a lil more seriously.
I pray for all the other Families, that have lost loved ones, to gun violence. I hope that WPD does a better job, in those cases.
I feel the same way, my brother is still a cold case, I called the WPD with leads by doing my own investigation and by the time they looked into them the people couldn’t be found for questioning, well of course not if you wait weeks before attempting to follow up on the lead I give. I put it in God’s hands now because all it does is make me angry and depressed. Good luck and I hope you get some type of closure
Thank you Lisa. I hope the same for u.
I gave it to God, a long time ago.
I live in Storm Lake and I remember when this happened. Who just throws away a baby? And then the poor thing goes through a shredder? Who ARE these people?
I currently live in Osage and appalled but not surprised that there are people in this area who are unjust. I cannot believe…. Actually there are so many parts that I cannot get past. How do people get away with this!!! Wow just wow ?
Whenever an election for County Attorney or Sheriff or Assessor or County Trustees or County Soil and Water Conservation Board Members if you see and smell too many crooks or CAFO’s consider running for the Board as too many building contractors or developers do run for that Soil and Water Conservation Board and get elected just by getting their name on the ballot, no position on CAFO’s given until they get on the Board that issues CAFO Building Permits. Iowans, get involved, Protect our Water. Veronica Lack
Oh my gosh. He had a baby born two weeks after his murder! Horrible. Any idea if the car was a dump site or belonged to the killer? Could the owner of the car have also been a victim? This seems so perplexing.
How can anyone live with themselves after killing this very young dad? Condolences to his mom, friends, and other family.
what happened to the bartender..did he see anything?
Theresa what makes you ask that?
I think it would be great if people stopped attacking the family members for their mistakes and drug use. Did you see yesterday’s Des Moines Register? Lyric’s parents and Elizabeth’s father (Mr. Collins on this page – sorry for your losses, sir) went into detail about their mistakes, how they’ve paid for them, and what they’re doing now to make things better and honor their daughters’/nieces’ memory.
Mr. Collins lost his daughter, his niece, his marriage, his peace of mind and much more. Why dig in deeper?
Lots of people in Iowa are on meth. Most Iowa meth dealers I am aware of are small time losers who will be caught by LE long before they can do serious damage (in the form of murders and stuff, obviously they’re doing damage to addicts and their families).
This was in no way set up as if to “send a message” as dealers and the mafia do. They would have been left in front of their homes, or photos would have been sent of them harmed before they died. Someone wanting money would keep them alive or the perception that they were alive in an effort to collect. Someone wanting money would threaten or harm the adults who actually owe them money (perhaps by threatening the children, yes).
This seems more like one or more pedophiles or a thrill killing. :-(
RIP Lyric and Elizabeth.
Can’t believe you said that !? Really !, don’t dig deeper to find out who did this ??? Wow ?!
Do you have any knowledge of the workings of a drug cartel ? The parents may not know the specific killer but they DO know why thoes beautiful little girls lives we taken !
These drug cartel enforcer are animals but they are also magnificently smart. They know exactly where the focus would be and that is excatly what happened, the “child molester in a white van” theory. These murders were a direct result of the parents “bad habits”.
I say keep digging til you hit China ! Thoes girls deserve it.
FWIW, Dustin Honken and Angela Johnson, both “small time” meth dealers in the Mason City area, kidnapped and killed five people in 1993 order to send a message not to squeal. Three of their victims were an innocent woman and her two young daughters who happened to be dating one of Honken’s former dealers…they were considered collateral damage in Honken’s quest to shut his victims up. The victims were all shot and buried in shallow graves around the Mason City area. So it’s not impossible that a dealer would do something like that to someone’s child in order to ensure silence.
Thank you Kim for looking outside the box.
I lived in Dade county Florida (Miami) for 3 short years back in the 80s where a close relative worked with one of the early drug task force’s in the state. Some of the most disturbing drug related killings was that of drug dealers luring the children of lower level user’s and dealer’s that had stolen product from them or owed money for drugs used.
They would kill the children and lay them face down with their arms folded under their heads as if they were sleeping. Not all mutilated like you would expect from such animals.
They would also target “drop off” spots for their bodies where know abductions had taken place so the public would automatically think it was a child molester/killer.
Now, is it clearer that this is realistic ?
Again Thank you Kim.
Why has google removed the “street view” for 717 Franklin Avenue in Des Moines?
Anon, I looked and Google hasn’t actually removed the “street view” for 717 Franklin Ave. in Des Moines, but rather removed the image of the house itself. (I have no idea why.) I still have a large photo of that apartment building, and when I checked realtor.com and trulia.com, both sites still had images of the house as well.
Do you believe someone who may have lived in this home had something to do with Jo Jo’s death?
Anyone interested in Justice for Iowans and Gary and Adam Lack (who were murdered, Adam just the day after he asked his Mom to get copies of her well tests, that the Iowa DNR agents and Mitchell County authorities were hiding from her) please come to the Polk County Courthouse at 8:30 am on Wednesday, July 19th, 2017, at 500 Mulberry Street, Des Moines, IA.
Veronica Lack filed a Civil Rights case CVCV046761 in 2010 to try to get copies of the list of contaminants being Illegally Point Source Drained down the huge Sinkholes in Cedar (W) Township Mitchell County Iowa’s Aquifer Recharge Area after the Iowa DNR had charged her with Blockage of Water and allowed the huge Flood Channel to be dug through her farm, digging away 42 acres of her 90.36 CSR topsoil without her permission and with no reimbursement or use of Eminent Domain Laws — just theft and trespass.
Veronica Lack could give them no access since the legal 404 drainage permit for her farm would not allow her to add even 10 acres more of her own farm’s Drainage to the Designated National Wetland’s Sinkholes. The IDNR had Discriminated against Veronica in not requiring the polluting farmers and their contractors to obey both the Iowa Drainage laws and the Clean Water Acts Anti-Degradation Laws as were strictly enforced on Veronica. Veronica still is trying to get access to the list of contaminants she tried to filter from her new deeper well that was causing the miscellaneous masses and tumors in farm animals and the cancers and asthma, COPD, neurological effects, tremors, skin and eye damage, erosions to throats and intestines.
Her family, extended family, and neighbors and friends in Floyd County and Downstream in the eight counties this Plume of Contaminants is effecting are being exposed to this building and on-going contamination of the Cedar Valley Group Aquifers. If Veronica and the well owners Downstream could get the list of contaminants that are testing positive around their wells/in the aquifer their well draws from, they could maybe filter them out or drill to a yet safe aquifer, if they have that option, to protect their health as 7,000 Cerro Gordo County Residents were given the options to protect their health from high levels of Arsenic.
Big IDNR data files of well test reports, both at the IDNR and at the U. of Iowa’s 3 Hygienic Labs could be downloaded into the 3D GIS Arc Desktop Application used at the beginning of 2016 by the Board of Health, Iowa DNR, and U. of Iowa 3-D GIS Arc Software mapped the well test reports of the contaminant Arsenic in only one Iowa County, Cerro Gordo. Iowans access to the contaminants the Iowa DNR had condemned her first farm well for in 2004 and then after Adam asked her to get the copies of her old and new wells test reports to find out what the IDNR had condemned her wells for as she has wanted to complete the job Adam had requested of her on 7/12/2008. Veronica Lack
It’s very obvious that this horrible tragic event took place because of the heavy drug use and selling of drugs within the families.
This actually happens a lot within the world of illegal drug use and dealing of drugs.
They either received drugs that couldn’t be paid for or they stole drugs from dealer.
It is very common for revenge to be taken out on the loved ones in this fashion.
Some think it was a botched kidnapping/ransom scenario that went wrong ?
Why did the brother vanish so quickly after the girls were declared missing ?
Either way, look deeper into the families connection with the drug world and you WILL find the killer/killer’s.
I think people want to blame the alleged drug use of the families because, they can’t accept the real truth. Here it is, as I see it, and this site PROVES, children get abducted and murdered everywhere. Even in rural Iowa. I think it is easier to blame the families, so we can all feel a bit safer, and better about ourselves when we let our own kids ride bikes or play outside alone.
Five blocks from my home a murdered woman’s body was dumped. I live in a town of 500. My family refused to tell me because they” didn’t want to scare me” … deluded and risky…
Btw, only one set of parents was connected with drugs. Even if they were the meth dealers of the year, did they deserve this? No. Roger, Please don’t feel like I am attacking you directly, I’m just trying to shed light on this blind spot we Iowans seen to have regarding murder, and the reasons it occurs. Even if I am proven wrong by an arrest of a drug cartel member, other children and adults in this state have been spotted, stalked, killed, and dumped. Drew, if you’re out there you and your family are victims too! You deserved better, so did your little ones.
In no way do i feel attacked by you making a comment, that’s why we are members of this site, to bring minds together.
I’m not pushing this off on “Drugs” because it’s the path of least resistance, I’m stating known and proven facts. These were not not run of the mill “Druggies” that you see on tv sitting on a tore up couch in a 8’×25′ mobile home.
They simply got in too deep with professional drug dealers and as i said before, very common practice to have the children kidnapped for ransom or as in this case, murdered.
Believe me, sometimes the general public knows way more than law enforcement agencies will ever know and to me those people are just as guilty as the killers for keeping that information secret.
I’m being a broken record here, but for a good reason…LOOK DEEPER INTO THE CONNECTIONS THE >FAMILIES< HAD IN THE DRUG WORLD…
The killers are there !
You’ve been watching too much television. Law enforcement has already repeatedly stated there is no evidence to suggest the crime was drug-related or some kind of “retaliation” from some nefarious Midwest cartel. They know what they’re doing more so than anonymous people on the internet who are convinced their baseless accusations and unrealistic theories are “the truth” despite a lack of any kind of evidence to support them.
Roger, How is it “obvious” that this tragic event took place because of the heavy drug use and selling of drugs within the families? So, you must know exactly who did it and why. Have you told any law enforcement that you know all these details?
I can pass your name and info to them so they can contact you, since you know the facts…
It’s common knowledge in Waterloo who did this. The cops know, just can’t prove it ..
I always thought it was someone working for the DOT. That section of hwy 20 was under construction for months. People on the crew could have seen them alone every day on those paths. Why not see who called in sick the day they disappeared?
I don’t see anything about the car, other then it was a gold in color 1994 Geo Prizm. So was her car also missing, and has it been found or recovered. What is the license plate number.
From the Billings Gazette, November 9, 1973: “DIVORCES GRANTED Karen L. Hanni from Jesse J. Hanni. ” Interesting!
From the Billings Gazette, Wednesday, February 27, 1974: “Jesse J. Hanni. 25. of 125 Broadwater fined $25 for shoplifting.”
From the Arkansas City Traveler, May 22, 1973: “Four Youths Are Held On Dope Charges.” An early morning call reporting a disturbance at 111 North B St resulted in the arrest of four youths on charges of marijuana possession. The class A misdemeanor
charge in addition to disorderly conduct was made against Ernest W. Isom II, Frieda Bosick (sic), Frazier R. Brown, Jr., and Juanita S. Hay early Tuesday by City Attorney David Lord. Lord also serves as deputy county attorney. A call to city police at 1:20
am by James Sanderholm, owner of the apartment building, was made because of the excessive noise in the basement apartment Upon entering the apartment, police notified the odor of marijuana and Lord was called to the scene. A search warrant was obtained from .Judge David Mills and a search yielded a small quantity of marijuana seeds, hypodermic needles and other narcotics paraphernalia. The four appeared before
Judge Mills Tuesday morning and bond was set at $1000 each. A request by the four for a court appointed attorney was taken under advisement and the court date set for May 24 at 9 am.”
So at least 2 were using hard drugs intravenously, also.
3 days later the paper reported: “Ernest William Isom II, 111 North B, pleaded guilty to possession of marijuana and was sentenced to six months in the county jail and fined $300 plus $16.70 court costs. He was paroled for one year. Freida Bosick (sic), 111 North B, pleaded guilty to possession of marijuana and was sentenced to six months in the county jail and fined $300 plus $16.70 court costs She was paroled for one year. Frazier Brown Jr ., 124 N. Fourth St., pleaded guilty to possession of marijuana and was sentenced to 6 months in the county jail and fined $300 plus $16.70 court costs. He was paroled for one year. Juanita Sue Ray, 102C South Fifth, pleaded guilty to possession of marijuana and was sentenced to six months in the county jail and fined $300 plus $16.70 court costs. She was paroled for one year.”
From the Billings Gazette, May 23, 1970: “Army Pfc. Jesse J. Hanni, son of Mr. and Mrs. Eddwin L. Hanni, Route 2, Roberts, has been awarded the Combat Infantryman badge while stationed near An Khe, Vietnam, as a rifleman in the 4th Infantry. He is a 1967 graduate of Roberts High School.”
From the Billings Gazette, September 20, 1970: “Army Spec. 4 Jesse Hanni, 21, son of Mr. and Mrs. Eddie Hanni, Roberts, has been promoted to specialist four near An Khe, Vietnam, as a rifleman with the 4th Infantry. He entered the Army in April, 1869.”
“…Hanni had earlier that year testified in federal court in Denver against a major drug kingpin.” Who was that kingpin?
Thank you, Tina for posting the truth. Leanne did not “disappear” but was granted full and permanent custody. Donald Knight had years worth of chances to have SUPERVISED visitation.
A grandparent chosen over a biological father is almost unheard of and the court file shows all the reasonings of the various judges.
This appears to be Tyler hackett’s facebook profile
After watching the Forensic Files episode on John Joubert, I can’t help but feel there has to be a connection with this missing case. John kidnapped and killed a 13 year old newspaper boy in Bellevue, Nebraska on September 18, 1983. He also killed another boy ,12 years old, in the same area on December 2, 1983. Bellevue and West Des Moines, IA are connected by I-80. A witness in the Johnny Gosch mentioned a car with Nebraska license plates. He killed an 11 year old boy on August 22, 1982 in Portland Maine before he moved to Nebraska. He probably would have traveled through Des Moines on his move from Maine to Nebraska and felt somewhat comfortable with the area and its proximity to I-80. Another interesting connection is that (including Johnny) the dates all fall on a Sunday. The other one is on a Friday (December 2 1983) boy walking to school.
Only thing is that John Joubert never traveled very far with his victims (3 to 4 miles). But if he was involved in the West Des Moines abduction he might have traveled a little longer and probably along I-80. Would be nice to be able to determine where John Joubert was when Johnny Gosch disappeared.
Joubert was ruled out by police in Johnny’s case because he was working at a paint company in Portland, Maine at the time. He didn’t move to Nebraska until July 15th, 1983, which was about ten months after Johnny even disappeared. In my mind, I’ve no doubt Joubert was definitely not responsible for Johnny’s disappearance.
I grew up in the big yellow house his son lived in at the time of the murder… just down River Road. The story I was always told was these guys were looking for the son’s cash stash and when they couldn’t find it or him, they went to the fathers house to demand he go get it. Well, the rest you know.
*Correction, son in law.
Watched the movie, hence, googled the incident. Creepy and unsettling. Made me appreciate the movie, which I thought was a little cheesy, not so bad.
There are murderers who cover the face of the victims they know and murderers who cover all mirrors to ensure they don’t see themselves because in their mind, it’s not them commiting the crime. There was no evidence of sexual assault on the girl but there was evidence of defensive wounds. Could it be possible that she’s the only one who saw the killers face and recognized them and she was left in a sexual pose to shame her so she wouldn’t be believed or even heard in the spirit life so that when the killer died, there would be no judgement from her words?!? Remember that this was 1912 and an unmarried female who wasn’t a virgin would be prosecuted in heaven and on earth. Also think about the fact that in the old testament it is a sin to eat pork because it’s a white meat, the same as humans. If the murderer actually took the large slab of bacon out of the house freezer, maybe they were murdered for the sin of eating pork ?! I believe that anyone capable of commiting a crime like this has to be mentally ill; even psychotic, which means they wouldn’t think the same as someone without mental illness. Therefore, possibly making all reasons for why/how things were done totally impossible to figure out. Just my thoughts !
Very analytical response. Thank you for educating me on the values and consequences of that era
The very first fact that your comment twisted is why many have followed false leads and gossip…that’s a shame. Do you know that in 1912, penetration was the gauge for ‘assault’ of a GIRL, but a married woman could not accuse anyone of rape…no matter what the circumstances or the perpetrator. Children had less… no rights. No voice…they worked without pay, and were subjected to any condition at the will of their ‘father /provider’. Women were considered as valuable as livestock and married for the dowry to enhance the position in the community, and would lose title to their ‘joint’ property when the husband died for any reason.
Ever think it might have been the neighbors son? He was mentally I’ll and she could have came over and covered their faces and the mirrors…she could have been the one to clean up the mess. She was up early washing clothes and why did she call the brother instead of walking over there and knocking on the door? We will never know….
Please, if you know of anyone that could sit and support me, Adam’s Mom, at the Polk County Courthouse on July 19, 2017 or march with signs supporting Clean Safe Drinking Water for Iowans, tell them I could use the support call me at 319-430-3957 to make sure the time, location, and date don’t get changed. Veronica Lack
Yellow Bag, if you are still around, can you take your info to Nancy Grace, or some tv show since the police do not seem interested. I found a link on google from the DMR stating that Wilbur Milhouse was arrested for sexual abuse of 6 teen age boys in 1987. The artical states he was 44, not 25 like you remember, but you were just a kid then and 25 and 44 might have been the same to you. If you search “Wilbur Milhouse sexual abuse” on google, you will find the article. I cannot access it as I dont have a subscription.
I had a lengthy conversation with the detective investigating this case. He promised to follow up on that information, and I trust he will. At this point, I think I have done all I can do. My information about a local pedophile who knew Johnny and talked about why Johnny was kidnapped apparently does not interest some of the international conspiracy theory buffs. So be it, I told what I saw and heard. As for Millhouse, he was not the man in the Ford Fairmont, but I saw Millhouse with that man at a Register function. Millhouse was not a big man, he was really kind of a “sissy” with a childlike personality. I doubt if he could have personally kidnapped a healthy teenager. Millhouse’s younger buddy, however, was tough and had a look of pure evil in his eyes when he demanded that I get into his car. I still remember carrying a big hunting knife in my yellow newspaper bag from that point on, just in case the guy came back for me. For weeks, I would duck between houses any time I saw a Ford Fairmont coming down the street. The Register held frequent circulation drives, contests, and social events for newspaper carriers in the early 80’s. I often saw Millhouse hanging out with a small group of creepy men at those functions. I never knew who they were, I just assumed they were Register employees. The other district managers tended to avoid Millhouse and his buddies. I wonder now if they suspected the guys were pedophiles. I believe Millhouse was employed by the Register from around 1980 to 1983, but not arrested until the fall of 1986. Johnny Gosch was kidnapped in 1982, Eugene Martin in 1984, and Marc Allen in the spring of 1986. After Millhouse was arrested and sent to prison, the kidnappings stopped. Quite a coincidence, isn’t it?
Yellow Bag – Thank you for replying. I think your right – there is not much more you can do. That must have been scarey times for you! It is hard not to believe that somehow Millhouse’s pedophile buddies did not have something to do with Johnny’s disappearance. Sorry I did not reply earlier…I was unable to log in.
What the fuck if you have any information I would say there’s plenty of information right there fucking government nothing gets done because they’re all fucking crooks and murders for them to think they need more information about this case is just simply a cover-up
Joe,
At court on June28th, 2017 only one person, who I did not know, sat in the back as the Attorney General’s attorney David Stewart represented the State of Iowa and the Iowa DNR as the defendants in my Civil Rights charge CVCV046761. My attorney Erik Fisk sat beside me agreeing to most of the assertions of David Stewart, and I was not allowed to speak. I did get a copy of the transcript before I responded as they had wanted me to agree to no warning of the well owners of the contaminants that caused our tumors and cancers and tremors, neurological effects, asthma, skin rashes, throat erosions, damaged intestinal linings, scaring of our eyes, and other health effects. Judge Jeanie K. Vaudt seemed to read through their pretense however and asked if the DNR just maintains a repository and they never put information into it.
The millions in our tax dollars over the years that the IDNR has spent collecting water samples and storing the data with no feasible access to the positive Contaminant well test data, after citizens and private and public well owners have tried to test for what is killing their animals and a request made by a well owner (public or private) and the IDNR only says to test for Nitrates and Bacteria and tells us to Chlorinate when the Bacteria levels are up. There are 600-700 contaminants to test for especially in this Ag state where Iowa’s Source Waters test at the highest levels in the Nation for Anhydrous Ammonia and CAFO (Bacteria) Nitrogen fertilizers and Iowa’s DNR does not tell us to test for NITRITES, Ammonia Nitrogen as N or even Cyanobacteria before we Chlorinate.
Please if you know of anyone who would sit quietly in court on July 19, 2017 in the Polk County Courthouse,500 Mulberry Street, Des Moines, Iowa (June’s hearing was in Courtroom 404 by 8:20am to support my suit to try to get Adam’s USDA-NRCS RUSLE3 utilized and first get Iowan’s warned in the Plume from Cedar (W) Township’s illegally built Flood Drainage of about 50,000 acres of Farm fertilizers and herbicides and pesticides down the Sinkholes in the Aquifer Recharge Area of the Designated National Wetland. This contaminates the well water for 1/2 million Iowans Downstream especially along the west side of the Cedar River through Floyd, Butler, Bremer, Black Hawk, Benton, Lynn, and Johnson Counties. Don’t bring any weapons, just stand with me when the Judge enters. We want to know what is killing our animals in high numbers, and what is damaging the health of so many Iowans unless they can afford to drill a much deeper well or have a series of very costly filters, if its possible to treat their water safely. We need to know what contaminants we are drinking to protect our and our loved ones health.
Veronica Lack
Bars association members are as dirty as you get. All lawyers are actors for the govt. Never trust a dirty lawyer ………. We need to put these people behind bars. It’s us we the people that need to go get them an put them behind bars.
This case makes a person sick, manslaughter I don’t think so, this devil needed the death penalty,.. Why was she naked from the waist down. We all know why, and all this dog got was ten years. If she were my daughter, I would be waiting when he got out.
No evidence of murder, sudden infant death syndrome, does not usually have an illness associated with it. That is why it is called sudden infant death syndrome.
There is much about illness and SIDS that we do not know yet. It would be a great travesty of justice to convict these people with no evidence of murder.
This nott headed pathologist or what ever he is, should know better, rare things do happen, just because they are rare does not mean they never happen.
It could very well be, these babies inherited a rare malefunktion of the brain that forgets to tell them to breath.
If there is no evidence of murder, why in the h_ _ _ would any one call it murder.
Marie, no one here is denying that Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) exists. In fact, research shows the rates of SIDS varies tenfold in developed countries from one in a thousand to one in ten thousand unexplained deaths of children less than one year of age. Pathologists ARE trained, however, to recognize and identify one of several very specific underlying susceptibility factors in order to rule cause of death as SIDS. (Search SIDS on Wikipedia or, better yet, explore the topic on the Mayo Clinic’s website or the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development.)
It takes great courage (and years of experience) for an M.E. to *rule out* SIDS — which is what happened in Tamara Lass’s case — when he could have made things so much easier on himself by attributing her death to SIDS. What I found so unsettling about your comment, however, is your intimation that “these babies inherited” a rare malfunction of the brain “that forgets to tell them to breath.” Did you not see that Tamara’s 6-day-old brother, Shane, was killed by blunt force trauma to the head? That, too, will cause an infant’s brain to forget how to breathe, and Shane’s cause of death wasn’t ruled SIDS, either. These two siblings did not inherit some rare brain malfunction. This is NOT a matter of “personal opinion” (neither mine nor anyone else’s), but is a matter of fact. Look it up under the Freedom of Information Act.
There are countless loving and decent parents out there who do everything right with new babies, and it angers me that they often have to endure an unwarranted stigma when they lose a baby to SIDS. This stigma wouldn’t exist if not for other types of parents who cite his or her infant’s cause of death as SIDS even when the state’s certificate of death and autopsy report reveal the death was NOT related to SIDS in any way.
This family was told at the hospital that their baby died of SIDS. They were never told anything differently. Years later they requsted her medical records and after bloodwork came back the ER doctor changed the cause of death from SIDS to Sepsis.
How could he be claimed, nothing written about him, no hair color, no height, no weight, no race.
No age. Nothing. Pretty hard to ID any one this way.
The story I heard about this murder had nothing to do with the rough crowd, she may or may not of hung around.
I heard the killer cut more than her throat, that the body hair left of her body was that of a white and black mix. That she had received anonymous phone calls, for awhile before she was killed.
It was also possible he was a serial killer, that worked as a fry cook. And often changed jobs traveling between Des Moines and Chicago.
That some believed he was also responsible for a second murder in Des Moines. Who had also received anonymous calls before her murder, in her own home, much the same, the only difference was the weapon used. Might all be just gossip.
She was into going to bars and said to have a few male friends. I would suspect one of these persons first. I am not indicating there was anything bad about her character. It has been stated a man called a neighbor a few days before and asked “Who is that neighbor woman next door”. The man did not tell him. It was also stated mixed race hair found. There was a 25 yr old mixed race man known to hate whites that confessed to the crime. He later said he made it up just to confuse things. A 14 yr old neighbor boy was questioned and by the parents consent gave him a lie detector. He was released. But he had admittedly been in the basement apartment where the linoleum knife originally was. Also he had been caught peeking in her windows. A well dressed man was seen sitting on her couch that evening. It was stated it appeared she was putting in rollers in her hair at the time she was attacked from behind. To me this indicates it was someone she knew. A few decent suspects.
If DNA could still be collected, and ran against criminal data bank, it might be possible to find the father, through him the mother. Any devil that would do this, will commit other crimes.
It takes areal devil to do something like this.
“It’s wrong to automatically assume two cases being connected.”
Absolutely. Zero evidence they are connected. All this government conspiracy nonsense does neither case any favors. If anything, just muddies the waters and guarantees no resolution. However, its “exciting” for some people to talk such theories(about all cases unfortunately).
The more likely scenario going by what the actual witnesses said, he was probably abducted/murdered by someone he knew, likely a neighbor, family friend, or subscriber to the paper along his route.
Simple, logical, and no conspiracy.
While I’m not saying I’m buying the government conspiracy stuff, that’s more likely than that they were abducted by someone they knew. That’s nonsense. Very little doubt in my mind, these were stranger abductions.
So Johnny just happens to get abducted by a stranger on the first day he’s allowed to go alone on his paper route? Eugene just so happens to get abducted by a stranger on the day he doesn’t take his older brother along with him?
Witnesses saw Eugene having a “father-son” conversation literally minutes after leaving home, which means he more than likely knew who it was. He kept talking to the guy while he folded his papers getting ready to go on his route. This also implies familiarity with his abductor.
No…a government conspiracy is not more likely than these boys being abducted and murdered by someone they knew, especially when you take into consideration the fact that most murder victims are killed by someone they know.
How in the hell is a government conspiracy MORE likely? You got any statistics or anything even remotely resembling a fact to back that up? Talk about nonsense…
Have you read about the Franklin CU cover up? There is also Paul Bonachi’s civil suit against Larry King and Paul Won. There was an underground child prostitution ring in Des Moines in the 80’s. There is also a timeline that was put together that showed many many people who were involved with this case that died and they died under very suspicious circumstances. There were a couple of deaths that were ruled suicides but yet had two gun shot wounds to the head??? DeKamps investigation is also a good read. There is so much out there about this. Project Charlie…mind control. I don’t know why it is so hard for people to believe. It happens all over the world but yet no one can believe it could possibly happen here. Victims from the old Boys and Girls Home in Omaha were able to give detailed information about rooms of the White House that were off limits to tourists and also high ranking officials who attended these parties at the White House where the children were brought. I dont know about you. It I certainly would not have known anything about the White House or who any of our government officials were, except maybe the President, when I was a young teen. And we did not have internet back then. Just sayin…sex slavery has been around for a very very long time but people are just now hearing about it.
I just wrote commented on this article first time today. I was reading through the comments and all of yours have really made me feel someone else gets it. I also would not know those details as young teen. One of the reasons why I was always so concerned my 3 year old son told me he goes on an airplane to fly to Florida we lived in Illinois. Then could show me the states on the map. Told me Florida is hot has big water. Never had he learned or experienced any of those detailed situations with me. He told me things that scare me so much that brings me to your solution we need to step in. Open eyes and ears and stop shutting our mouths.
It’s truly sad and disgusting to know that this family has taken part in so many predatory events. They seem to be sexual predators that hide behind bibles and smiles. I know that someone somewhere knows some things have occurred. Until people speak up they will continue creating victims, and that is not okay. They are known for telling accusers that they will go to hell or their words “Get a stroke at the mouth”. This basically means they wish this person would have a stroke in hopes of them being forever silent. This is so twisted. Hiding behind pulpits while committing crimes is indeed cowardly. Your wrath shall come, each of you Beets’ that hurt others in secret.
Another lowlife gang banger dead. Oh well. Good riddance punk.
How come no one is mentioning the girlfriend? She seems shady and probably knows what happened.
https://thetruecrimeadvocate.wordpress.com/2016/06/07/blog-post-title-2/
Family please look at this link. Possible find
Wow! That’s quite stunning!
Sheila 2 of Eileen’s daughters have submitted DNA for this case. Thank you.
Does anyone know if they learned of results? If it even was tested?
I am one of Lillian’s granddaughters. After years of searching and wondering her remaining daughters have their answers. Lillian passed away in New Orleans on 1969.
It will be 20 years this December. The fact that I’m 30 and still do not have justice or even a clue as to what happened to my mom is infuriating. Why isn’t anyone still checking on this. I have called multiple times over the years regarding my mothers case and it’s always someone new stating they need to look into it and then they will call me. Well the last time I was told that was 4 years ago. IM STILL WAITING for that phone call!!! I’m so glad to know that the person responsible for this gets to live a normal life like nothing ever happened. While I get to pick up the pieces without a mom. Getting married last year was so fun without my mom there let me tell you! I’m so disappointed by the way this case has/was handled. If this was your mom I’m sure it would be a different story. I just love that every Mother’s Day, her birthday, or even her “death” date. I can’t do anything but light a candle and cry. We have no resolve, no head stone, and no peace. With that being said; how could we have any of those things when “detectives” state they have to look into it and they will call you back and you wait years for that call. Can’t believe it takes that many years to make a phone call; but hey whenever you guys “gets around to it” let me know. I’m here.
Shanda, I hear you. (This is Carol.) My sister’s cold case (Julie Benning 1975) passed the 40 year mark, then 43, and still no answers, despite my having devoted a great deal of time hunting down names and clues in my sister’s diary–the #1 perp fled to Vegas, and I flat out gave up. I hope you find answers. My family at least had the consolation of the body being found after missing Nov-March. Nobody really “gets over it” but we move on because we have to, while part of us is left behind. And knowing the killer(s) walked free and lived to have grandchildren who adore them: meh!
Some of these agencies will only relook at the case, when there is a tip. Others because of the new forensic tools, are rechecking evidence that they have.
In a recent cold case a new investigator was looking a the files. He looked at the crime scene photos, and noticed a glove in the photos. He checked and found they still had the glove, and had it tested and it led to the offender. All, this time the answers were in the original case file. Which is something mentioned in their review of cold cases.
Investigators in Orange County, arrested a James Neal, (72), for the murder of a young girl walking home from school. She disappeared and was found dead, in July 1973. So their is arrest of the offender came from DNA Genealogy. This is 45 years after the incident took place.
Also, investigators in LA County, also arrested an offender in the disappearance and murder of an 11 year old boy, from Ingleside, California, in 1990. The arrest came from basic investigation, and some forensics. They did not wait for someone to provide them with a tip. However, they believe that someone else was involved in the case.
Sometimes it takes the local prosecutor to push the local’s. In Ohio, the new district attorney in a county decided to relook at everything. They ended up arresting and charging the guy, that they suspected of the crime. The prosecutors back then did not think they had the evidence to go to trial.
I would try and get your mothers case into the local television media, or even to television programs that relook at cold cases. Sometimes media attention brings pressure on the agency involved.
Hi Shanda, I have a small YouTube Channel and would like to cover your moms disappearance. I would loved to talk to you. Is your email still the same?
What kind of horrible people exist that can do something like that to a little girl… or anybody period.
The spelling of the tribe is Lac Courte Oreilles, pronounced la-COO-der-ay. They’re a band of the Ojibwe https://www.lcotribe.com) .
I have recently been diagnosed with terminal lung cancer……. I have about 6 months to live… Karen will be dead within the next 6 months…… that’s a promise
Jodi Huisentruit went missing from Mason City, Iowa on June 27, 1995. She was declared legally dead in 2001. Case still unsolved
Hello I’m 27 and I was supppos9ibly born in 1994. I may be this girl.
19897212452 call me please.
oh, another meth head that was killed. How about not dealing in drugs and this type of shit won’t happen? Dumb asses
Oh hey look another dumbass that doesn’t know what he is talking about and hey look at that his name is Chris Stieker. All I am going to say is if you don’t know anything about it or don’t have something nice to say don’t say it. If you do have something to say that is constructive to the cold case then please present your case, but don’t you dare go around and speaking about something you might not know as much as you think you do on.
Hey cock boy, read the article. The guy was dealing in meth and probably helped ruin other people’s lives. I can say whatever I want. Piss off
You are typing illiterately and all of your statements are non-factual assumptions that irritate most who love someone who is or was man just like us. No need for negative inputs pertaining to anything, catch a clue man, there is such thing as karma.
You don’t even know what illiterate means. Stop using words bigger than two syllables because you sound foolish
Everyone knows mat killed him. I pray authorities can prove it and give Jim and his family justice
Dude u have no business talking like that have some respect
Patti Fravel, Steve Walsh and Tommy Lundahl are people of interest in connection with Linda Bentley’s murder.
The baby murder is still a cold case
Police report said robin Magnuson knew what happened on 1/3/1975
She was killed in a motorcycle accident 7 months later in 1976
https://wqad.com/2017/06/19/foot-found-at-burlington-lake-in-2016-belongs-to-missing-man/
Sorry to see Judi’s mother, Norma, passed away on 06-14-2017. I recognized the name and got on IA Cold Case Files to read up on the case. My heart goes out to her family and friends.
I was interested in finding out whatever happened to this Lybarger character, mostly to see if he has killed again. I couldn’t locate him specifically but I did find this obit. Is this possibly him?
He court records show his name was Steven LYNN Lybager. Not the same – but thank you for looking.
Norma lived a long life and has now been reunited with five of her children who preceded her in death.
She will be missed.
Did the police ever look into Chelsey Tinderholts family? The other person in the accident that was hurt. Her family was extremely pissed about the accident. So who knows…. just curious..
Seriously. Of course they were pissed. Chelsey was seriously injured, but accidents happen and she was going to be fine. Don’t blame another victim or their family for whatever has happened to him. Ever occur to anyone that maybe he wanted to disappear before facing the charges he was about to face in court.. also.. just another “thought”.. This was not just some small accident, I saw what this did to Chelsey and what she had to endure. The last thing in anyone’s mind was Ben and doing anything to him. It was about getting Chelsey better. Think before you make such accusations. Chelsey and her family had gone through a lot too, not just Bens family. I pray he is somewhere safe and nothing bad has happened to him. I pray he comes home and Gives his family peace if he is able. But stop insinuating that Chelsey or her family had anything to do with it. And of course her family was questioned. Standard procedure in something like this!
This is gonna sound crazy ..it is!. I was schrolling through faceboik and seen this man missing.. i dont know him or anyone surrounding this ..after i seen his picture .and read about his age and stuff i just felt different and thoughts came to me .. please if someone could verify or dispell any of this .. cause i dont know if any of this is connected .. but this stuff came at me like i was watching a movie on tv.. i dont want to hurt anyone or stir the pot.. im not from clinton and dont know anyone from there . IM NOT A MEDIUM OR PYSCIC..NOTHING LIKE THAT ..just please read and if it means nothing .. then whatever ..if something means something .then great..
1) quarry
2)man
3) woman
4) x girlfriend
5) no drugs
6)9th ave
7)shooting
8) stomache
9)2 door newer vehicle
10) color of car… dont make sence but i got letters that im not sure about ..
O or p and an A then G or an H
Felt like he was forced in a car
Felt like 4 people
And he knew them
And thought they were friends
Robbed
Now this maybe important :
I kept getting a mans inits.. M.Q. strong feeling ..and a ladys init.. G.M
This has never happened to me before and im not trying to cause problems but i couldnt keep this inside ..
Felt like the man ..M.Q is in jail but not clinton could be prison.
I keep feeling like he is found by quarry s.w. of clinton..i dont even k ow clinton and i dont know if there is a quarry in clinton.
Clinton then go west.???? Quarry A or a z
Thats it!
My hope would be that this would help some .. but i know its probably just me connecting my thoughts to this after reading it .. i pray he is ok and found soon..and my thoughts were wrong ..
So you basically had a hallucination? Or was it your Intuition? That’s kind of scary…. what’s your name may I ask? If you wish to remain anonymous I understand. But what you just said Intriuges me a bit.
It was just strong stuff like images and feelings …none probably fit this case . Like I said though I’ve never had this happen before to me and I dont know Clinton or anyone involved here ..I did not know Ben.
And the only Quarry in Clinton is Wendling Quarries Inc.
Anderderson quarry in DeWitt Iowa
Which is about south west of clinton
And 4 months to almost a year you don’t reply 🤔🤔🤔. That’s quite curious.
Why is that..quite curious? I expressed it was a thought almost like a movie on tv .I dont expect anyone to believe it . I guess I myself felt that it might fit in somehow beings it felt so real when the intuition came to me.. a rock quarry wouldn’t be a good place to bury somone..it is all rock and people digging or working there all the time.. but it is how it came to me..I didnt want to upset anyone..I was hoping that something I felt that day would somehow fit in the puzzle.and hoped it would help in finding him.
What a terrible tragedy. To me it seems that maybe someone needs to see their victims face to remind them what they did, perhaps put up posters around the town?
I think there is an editing error. The family name switches to Clark towards the end of the posting.
KP, thanks for catching that. I found two instances where I’d inadvertently typed the name Clark instead of Carter, and have fixed both of them. So glad you brought this to my attention. All best to you.
This is on Iowa Cold Case. No Individual wrote this. The info came from police
My 2 pennies worth, if this case is still “open” and there are obviously 2 known people to have talked to and seen a man that was consistently at the crime scene with first hand knowledge of these 2 cousin possibly “messing around” with one another, my God come on people !, really?!
That’s some pretty private information if you ask me ! Guess it’s just a matter of wanting it solved or just giving up. How sad.
Randall.
Is this site still active? I have a few questions about the case.
TY, Don.
I see this is a “Pick n Choose” to answer type of website !.
Now I know why there are so many unanswered questions on site, what’s up with that ?. I even E-mailed one of the creator’s of this site and not a word back !. Unanswered questions=unsolved crimes.
A fresh set of eyes and minds would do wonders for this site, maybe it’s time to turn it over or shut it down if you have given up !
Don, evidently you’re not aware that ICC is *not* a law enforcement agency website staffed with investigators at our disposal. (I wish.) We work as a liaison between tipsters/families and local, state, and federal officials, but we cannot legally bring in suspects for questioning or arrest them or prosecute them. The vast majority of our readers understand how the whole concerted effort works, and they also understand that, by law, we absolutely CANNOT “put out there on our website” all known information we have about a case because doing so – whether 10 or 25 or 50 years after a crime – would not only compromise what’s still classified as “an open and ongoing criminal investigation,” but would also place a number of other lives at risk.
Let’s not forget your “not a word back!” comment and put it in perspective. On any given day, I personally deal with about 200 cold case inquiries: some via comments on pages like this; some via questions posted to ICC’s FB page; some sent to me by email; and then there are the phone calls and meetings. Let’s say after talking with a victim’s family, I write the lead investigator, but when I check my email the next day, he hasn’t responded. On the very next day, would it be in my best interest to publicly attack him for “picking and choosing” which emails he’d chosen to answer on that single day in between? After all, since I’d wanted to help, shouldn’t that take priority over his already crammed schedule? NO, IT SHOULD NOT.
One last thing. Apart from spending 10 to 14 hours a day collecting details on a case they already know they can’t put into print (but which might advance the case), people do have lives, families, will sometimes need to take a pet to the vet, eat dinner with the kids, exercise, and, if lucky, force themselves to not open one more email so 3-4 hours of sleep might still be possible. It’s 6:05 a.m. here, and no, I am “not” up early.
I have seen several unanswered posts concerning this particular case and trends to other case’s on this site. It is very contradictory to say that you are trying to solve a case, but yet will not give out information to do so ??. I have already tracked down one gentleman that has posted on this site about this case and his information is mind blowing, but yet i noticed the replies to his comments were lackluster at best ! Oh and i have been feeding cattle since 4:45am and lucky to see my wife and 4 children much before 10pm. It all depends on how passionate you are about what you do. I know from past case’s like these that there is ALWAYS a clue at the crime scene…ALWAYS. You have to take into account that this person is probably still alive and positively, 100% knew this young man and woman. He also has family/friends that have held on to this dark secret. This case needs fresh mind’s and eye’s and to hold back information just because of the age of a case is pitiful ! I believe the killer has visited the crime scene and even at his current age still does so and with today’s surveillance technology, he/them can be caught.
Thanks Don.
Is there anyway that you could have the man you spoke to who knows more go to the police with his information?
This case really hits me & I’m praying it gets solved!
Why is this considered a cold case?
Beth Baack Williams
Murder for hire. Don’t you wonder what the jury was thinking to let these scam men off. One of these men know the truth as I am sure a few others
Actually one of these men, is my other half. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and wasn’t convicted for a reason. The letter “N” could be ment a number of things; none of which had any connection to him. I mean no disrespect, and I wasn’t there. Don’t be so quick to judge…..
But the other one??
I wish we knew. Do they have any communication?
Nope, not for at least 15-20 yrs I do believe. He’s been living up here for the last 11-12. Does anyone know where the other guy is?
Oskaloosa
I think Yant is somewhere in the State of Washington. I know his wife has left him in 1991.
KWWL had a story about the tips they’ve received since releasing the images of the suspect in Michelle’s murder:
Mr. Downey was convicted of forgery in 1962 in Texas. I wonder what the story was.
Any pictures of this man
This is amazing! This poor soul has been identified, and family member(s) have FINALLY been notified. :-) After this many years, may there be many hearts happy – no matter if he was known by them, or if seriously disheartened by this man’s terrible death (like myself). :-( God’s sweet angels work in very mysterious ways and forms. Blessings to Mr. Downey’s family and all whose lives he touched.
The other killed his mom in Marion in 2007 and also went to school with Michelle and killed himself in jail shortly after. I’m sure you guys have checked all this out. Just hoping you might have missed something.
yes those initials for the 2 you mention are BH and TK I believe…always good to check,right?
There is at least one student a year behind Michelle that I wondered if he was tested he does not match your picture but is now in prison and was arrested shortly after her death which may have let him slip under the radar. He also went to junior high with her and was arrested for kidnapping and sexual assault. This girl was kidnapped at knife point at a mall in Cedar Rapid,taken to a seclude place and assaulted..Don’t want to say his name on this site though, for his family”s sake in case he is not involved at all.This may be enough info for the detectives to figure out who I am speaking of.
Chuck- yes i know the guy you’re speaking of- he was tested and cleared…thanks!
Just wondering how many students at Kennedy were tested and cleared then and now.
Many have been tested and cleared from JFK-students and employees
https://www.kcci.com/article/authorities-identify-victim-in-1984-cold-case/9967901
Investigation Discovery has a show called “Disappeared”. Has anyone tried to contact them with this or the other cases mentioned here?
Could the killer have been a family member? In the new sketch, the suspect has similar features of Michelle Martinko.
No she had no brothers, no cousins all of her family was accounted for…
A friend of mine did and Ouija board and she said they contacted a girl named Penney Watson. They asked her age too and she said she was 18. They then asked if she was good or evil and the board said neither.then it started making circles which means the spirit is trying to escape. They said bye and headed home ( they were in the middle of nowhere) my friend told me her dream and it creeped me out. She said that she was getting ready for school that she didnt recognize. She walked down the hallway and at the end there was a African american girl. She finished her classes and a black SUV picked her up. She said all she remembers was a bag going over her head. She doesn’t remember who the people were that picked her up. She continued to say that she was still dead, there was a bag over her head and they were undressing her. They then dumped her to the side of the curb of a white house. My friend woke up and she couldn’t breathe. When she told me this my brother had a panic attack and was breathing heavily. My knees felt weak and I had trouble breathing. This was just yesterday
My friend and she also had a friend with her when they did the oujia***
One-time suspect in this case, Brian Zirtzman, passed away this week from cancer:
https://www.thegazette.com/obituaries/brian-zirtzman-20170526-0000062878-01
. . .more thoughts. I remember reading somewhere there was a suspect questioned. This suspect was someone seen with Mr. Dougherty. If memory serves me right, this suspect claimed to have been in Chicago. Madison County Iowa would easily be alongreat the routeam from Sioux City to Chicago. I just wanted to share this information as these sorts of memories are what sometimes solves cold cases.
I grew up in Madison County Iowa on a farm South of Earlham. Back in 1977 or 1978 my mom and I hiked a creek bed that bordered our property. We began the hike from a road that had a bridge over the creek. Deep in the woods in the middle of the creek we found and old rusted car laying on its side. At the time, I didn’t think much of it other than it was really strange that a car was in such a remote location. However . . .after seeing a picture of the 1954 Tudor I feel the car could have been the same type or at least from the same era. I have scanned this creek using google earth but can’t see all areas due to tree cover. Also, so many years have passed, the car I saw in the 70s may not be whole any more. I emailed these thoughts to the Sioux City PD a couple of months ago and never heard back. I’d like to hike this area again but my family no longer owns land on this creek.
What was the name of this creek?
This is like a sister to me. I grew up with this family and i am soo hurt that someone could do this.
Stop trashing my mother, Corena. Shes broken. I love my mom. Stop.
I was about 12 years old at the time this happened and knew all 3 of them. Kind people. Dixie was a absolute sweetheart! Chad was a very nice guy to me and I as just a dumb kid. Jason was nice as well. I believe my sister and him were friends and his nickname was packrat. Very sad that this was never solved! Small town murder where evidence was most likely tainted and removed due to inexperience. Not their fault though, just not a lot of that stuff happening there. With any luck somebody will step forward at some point and give this family some peace!
What about the unknown baby thrown out like garbage in 1974 or 1975. Not even mentioned.
Law enforcement has repeatedly looked at Hoopy as well as his alleged drunken rantings. I was told many times by various law enforcement officials over the years there is a BIG difference between “knowing” and “proving.” Luckily there is no statute of limitations on murder. I hope your mom is found soon, Lindsey. I hope you have found a modicum of peace.
I wonder why some names are not highlighted? Can’t read anything on them.
Kathleen, the names that are highlighted have individual pages on the Iowa Cold Cases website. At the top of the page, it tells readers to simply click on the black and white image for the other names, which takes one to the missing persons page on the Iowa Department of Public Safety’s Missing Person Clearinghouse page. These are still cases where we have very little information, so until we gather that info, we link directly to the MPIC site. I apologize for the confusion.
The CRPD held a news conference today regarding a new composite sketch of a possible suspect that they’ve been able to develop from the DNA found in 2006:
https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/New-technology-may-help-solve-1979-murder-422628904.html
And an interview with one of Michelle’s friends and Michelle’s sister:
https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/I9-Sister-and-friend-of-Michelle-Martinko-speak-to-TV9-about-new-development-422623074.html
sounds pretty simple to me. question the person that hit her. duh
My brother, Greg, would be 66 today. He was a kind soul, probably too kind. He sometimes hitchhiked when he did not have a car. When he got a car he paid forward by picking up hitchhikers. I think he picked up the wrong hitchhiker. I love you, your brother Mike.
My mother, Barbara Dickey, Greg’s youngest sister, spoke of him often when I was growing up. So sad what happened to him. I am truly heartbroken that I never got to meet him. He sounded like the nicest guy. You are truly missed!
Love,
Amy Hart (Dickey), Barb’s oldest daugther
Mike, I am so sorry for your family’s loss. Your brother indeed sounded like a very kind soul, and it’s unfortunate that many people prey on that sort of kindness. During the 1970s, my siblings and I traveled to trapshoots all across Iowa and other states with my father, and he would often pick up hitchhikers along the way. Never once do I recall “safety” being mentioned before Dad stopped to pick them up; it just seemed like the right thing to do to help out someone who needed to go somewhere but didn’t have the means to get there.
We never felt endangered and the hitchhikers were always so gracious when Dad dropped them off — sometimes 100 miles down the interstate near the exit to a town — and we always felt our lives had somehow been enriched by hearing the “exciting” stories behind why these men were hitchhiking in the first place. (My dad loved hearing their stories and telling his own, too.) I miss the innocence we all had back then.
Do you have a photo of Greg you could share with us for use on the ICC website? (Any “family” photos are also welcome, and proper attribution will be provided for any submitted photos.) Pictures not only help our readers put a face to a name, but remind them that all our victims had lives that mattered. A photo might also spark a long forgotten memory of seeing the person at a particular location with someone, or even remind someone of “something unusual” he or she saw around that same time period. Again, I am so sorry for your loss.
Please feel free to email me directly at: jody@iowacoldcases.org
I hope it is acceptable to leave a message here for Zero.
Marion Manley was from my hometown although I did not become acquainted with him until he started working for the Creston PD. I always admired & respected him. So sad to learn of his passing.
They got married when she was 15??
C, yes — according to Shirley’s obituary, she was just a couple of months shy of 16 when she and Bill married. It wasn’t all that uncommon back then, particularly if the parents gave consent. Many of these “young newlyweds” also stayed married for the rest of their natural lives. It’s a wonderful thing seeing couples who’ve been married 50, 60, and sometimes even 70 years.
Thank you for clarifying this, Jody. It’s not surprising “C” focuses on her age at the time of marriage. Billy G Carter was 16, just a class ahead of Shirley.
The uncommon fact is that he worked while finishing high school through half days at the school and the remainder via correspondence to earn his high school diploma and working full time as a butcher and driver to support his young family. He received an ACT score of 29, and turned down college scholarships to be with his young wife.
Shirley and Billy were still happily married after 52 years, successfully farming and raising their family against all odds.
As Jody said, the young marriage was not uncommon at the time, but there are also many failed marriages and unwed mothers. The Carters were the exception to the rule due to love, hard work, and the unique ability to stay real, honest, good people, and perseverance.
‘Happily married’ is an opinion. Unless you’re the husband or wife, the happiness of a marriage is never known. Married people only let you see what they want to divulge. And older couples show even less. Because their thought process about marriage is ’til death do us part’. Because that’s how it was way back when. None of that new fangled divorce or separation talk. Married at 16? A life of working a farm? With your spouse 24/7 for decades? Loss of monetary support? Property? Access to children and grandchildren? Not something older folks ever think is possible. Again ’til death us do part’.
It’s very true that you never know what’s really going on behind closed doors. People did marry in their teens quite a bit. But…researching my family history, I can tell you that even in those “long term marriages,” a lot of side stuff went on. A lot of divorces back in the day too, we just didn’t have the massive media we have now to hear about everything that went on.
Wow, a druggie who sold drugs and ruined other people’s lives. Ft. Dodge police and investigators have other cold cases to solve on human beings who were an asset to society. Greg got caught up with drugs and it cost him his life. That is certainly sad but he was a druggie. He’s bottom priority for Ft. Dodge police.
That was a cold ass and unnecessary comment,I personally doubt that any of the people commenting on here could care less about your useless,self righteous,opinionated opinion,obviously he was very much loved by these people and that speaks volumes about the kind of person he was
What an ignorant comment!! He had a family! Addiction is a disease that can effect anyone. I pray the family has answers!
Addiction is a choice
Patricia Ann veach was my cousin I wish they could solve her murder some how
You need to fix the dates on the first picture because is says he was born 1914 and died in 1890
Pria, yes, the “birth” date is incorrect, but the 1914-1890 caption directly beneath Mr. Nurre’s picture is actually “part of the photo.” We have kept the image intact with the same attribution as originally submitted to the Findagrave website by W. Safford (initials “wns”).
All the referenced articles do provide the correct year of birth, but you’ve made a very good point; most readers probably don’t realize why the caption date doesn’t make sense. I’ve made a separate notation beneath the photo to explain why the 1914 date hasn’t been changed.
It is one of many interesting historical typos from years gone by. :-)
The house that Henry was murdered in is still standing today!
Do you know the address? Would like to drive by it sometime.
Corey,
The current land owner does not want visitors. Sorry..
Ken are you related to him?
Yes..he is my g.g.grandfather
Ken, I assume Joseph was your great grandfather? Was there a son named Stephen as well? The daughter Catherine married John Reiff who was my great grandfather and that would make Henry my g great grandfather as well. This story is published in our Reiff-Nurre family tree book that was written in 1936-1938 . I currently have it being copied and preserved so I can’t get more specific right now. I don’t know if you have done any ancestry online but I may start when I get the book back. Thanks Tom
Yes..and yes. And yes..
Please contact me by email..
Fordskyliner57@gmail.com
I also have been working on the family tree.
Lets share.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2017/05/10/prosecutors-win-conviction-rare-iowa-no-body-murder-case-tait-otis-purk-cora-ann-okonski/316262001/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=
I love how the article says he served in a federal prison in Kansas in April on unrelated drug and gun charges. Those things might not have happened at the same exact time, but if there are drugs involved, some of the worst things you can think of can happen, especially with meth. Nothing good comes from that drug or that lifestyle. I don’t think it’s unrelated. They may have had their problems, but drugs always compound everything. Hopefully they will find her body. It’s doubtful he’ll ever give up the location, but maybe he will to his jailhouse buddies again. I don’t know the guy who he served with story…but I’m glad for her family that he came forward.
I have never stopped hoping Jack’s murder will be resolved. I think of him often and the fun we had as kids. His other half brothers and sister do too. He and I have the same mother and dad and had a great childhood. Sandy Price
I’m looking for a young girl that was kidnapped in Des Moines Iowa over by 8th street and murdered and the body was dumped by adventure land any help finding more info on this plz
Could be me also. I believe I live with my captor acting as my mother call number above in replies
Jeff’s graduation date is incorrect; it should be 1978.
Laurie, thanks so much for providing the correct graduation date. If you can provide me with the name of the third sister and the brothers, I’ll get them added to his page right away. I did not have that additional information. All best, and thank you in advance.
Update name: Debbie Deaver Stephenson
Add brothers: John Deaver & Bob Deaver
Add sister: Angie Deaver
Thanks so much, Laurie. I’ve added the names to Jeff’s case summary. All best, Jody
Why isn’t Jeff’s two brother’s not listed?
And he has three sisters, not two
There were three men in the truck that hit Valerie.One can only hope that one or both of the men that were NOT driving the truck that hit this child wil have a guilty conciense after holding in the truth for all of these years and come forward with the name of the driver so this case can finally be closed.I don’t know how anyone could live with themself with that kind of weight haunting them.
I just came acrossed this. It gave me chills. I pray he really is okay and someday the family will know what happened for sure. I know what it’s like to lose people you care about very much. I lost my mom, dad, grandmas, grandpas, fiance, friends, animals, ect…I think it would be even harder not knowing where, how, who, ect.. I can’t imagine. My love goes out to these people!!
Every lead should be investigated.. Nobody gave u a lead and u wanna ridicule. What if thats the one lead that u needed? Now as the average public i can see why poor ben hasnt been found. U quit trying.
Nathaniel may be the son of William Carnagy and Mary Swem. William was a Revolutionary War veteran.
Shortly after the sketch of the suspect with the dark afro like hair, came out in the gazette, I saw a similar man in a car beside me at a stop light in town. I had to take my husband (at the time) to the Linn Co. jail to serve a couple days for a OWI. It was not till I got to the stop light on Oakland Rd. and 32nd St. NE that I noticed a car had been following me closely. I looked over at the car and saw this man with the dark curly hair and it scared me after seeing the sketch. I was heading back home to Center Point and he followed me the whole way there and on my tail. I was in Center Point and turned off to head home when I decided it wasn’t safe since no one was there so I sped to my parents house a few blocks away and thank God there were 2 cars in the driveway. This guy turned around in a driveway a few houses down and drove back past my parents house very slow. It was a older big 4 door, tan colored car with no license plates. When I calmed down I called the PD dept. but they didn’t ask anything further. Had I stopped at my house, hard telling what this guy would have done because he was so determined.
Yeah I’m Eric Redinbo mother there has been something not right since day one, I think these murders will never be solved and it saddens me so much
I’m sorry but it really looks like, from reading about all this, that both people were killed by the same individual and that the Keokuk police seem to be the one doing the cover up. I never heard of police not “requiring” much less “allowing” a family to identify their loved one. That smells bad. My sister was shot & killed & they allowed me to view & identify her. I live in another state but this is very odd, don’t you think?
They never allowed any of my family members identify my sons ERIC Redinbo body
We lived just to the west of the gas station. Rhonda always held my son for me while I used the phone. Rhonda deserves justice, it’s hard to believe her killer hasn’t been caught yet.
Does anyone know if the murder of Peggy Giddings in 1970, ever got solved? She lived in Millard and her father was a Fire Chief. She was found murdered in the stairway of her front door and her baby sister was unharmed, in another room. Peggy was about 18, had dark nearly black hair and lived in a split entry home. I know someone who dated her and may have some helpful information.
Please contact Omaha police at 402-444-5656 if you have information about Peggy Giddings. I am an editor at the World-Herald if you’d prefer to contact me. My number is 402 444-1082.
I thought this murder was solved. I could only find articles from the Lincoln Journal on this which is strange because it was a crime that happened in Omaha. Here is a link to one article: https://www.thedarksideofamerica.com/hill-richard-ne.html
No, it is not solved. Richard Hill was released and was not the killer.
I called the police about information I had about this crime- they told me they had the killer so didn’t need more information. Very very odd it hasn’t been brought up in the news.
What kind of information do you have?
Are you talking about Peggy Giddings? I guess it hasn’t been solved. I’ve tried to find out about this for years. I know her cousin Chris Powers and tried to ask her about it, but all she told me was that Peggy was her cousin. What do you know about Peggy?
Peggy Giddings’ murder remains unsolved. There was a false confession several years after the crime that led to an involuntary mental hospitalization for the supposed killer. Since Peggy’s murder was in Omaha I’m wondering if there is any website like this for Nebraska?
I remember the night Peggy was killed. I was about 7 we lived around 122nd and Woolworth. It was summer and I was out playing in our front yard. A car came racing up heading east on Woolworth and it was traveling super fast on the residential street. Like 60mph. It was crazy. The next morning we heard about the murder and I always wondered if that car was the killer racing away. Our house wasn’t far from the Giddings house.
I am from Omaha and some relatives met Tom Hill. They found him a very offensive person who leads people to believe he is a priest. He was a catholic priest but was defrocked by the Archdiocese of St. Louis. The St. Louis Paper warns that People about him posing as a priest. He wrote a book “Four Decades in Genesis” by. Fr. Thomas Matt
Since I went to school with his brother, I read. He writes in full detail how She. was murdered.
Mulch of what he says about Peggy is inaccurate.
He said she work with him which maybe try but he said that they had gotten close and talked a lot
He refers to Peggy as his first love. He say she said she was an only child (obviously not true). He said she was blond. (She had dark brown hair). He said they finely had a date with her too. one to the pool at his house to swim but did not show. He was told about the modern that night and was driven to the house. Her parents were at the neighbor and he talked to him and the took him to show him the crime seen. I find that highly unlikely they would let a fifteen year old enter a fresh crime scene. He describes the murder with detail which is odd since he wasn’t there and then goes on to say that the angle Athanasis came to her and talked to Peggy and helped her the horror of the murder and that she continues to be with peggy after…
I would recommend the police reading this book
Tom Hill also meets the man who confessed to her murder and writes as if he were the murder. He said it bothered him hearing about the murder of Peggy but he was a Priest and need to help him. Richard Hill heard Voices and Tom he helped him lesson the voices by teaching the rosary when he heard.
voices.
He felt like he took credit for curing a psychotic
I would recommend the police read the book
“Four Decades in Genesis”
It might give some insight into the murder
Do you know for sure Richard Hill was not the killer? I know someone who used to date her and he looked just like the artist rendering. In fact, my fiancé and I went on a double date with her and that guy in April before she was found dead. If Hill was insane, what evidence did they have other than what he said? Florensic evidence? I suspect Hill was not the killer.
I suspect there is even a possibility that it could have been someone she met in Memorial Park because she used to try to buy drugs there. Back then all the teenagers drove through the park and hung out with the hippies and drug sellers.
The guy she was on a date with that my fiancé knew was named Mike Sadler. He went to Benson High. About the time of the murder he suddenly joined the Air Force.
I am glad to see that 50 years later, people have not forgot about Peggy. I was only 7, a neighbor. She worked for my mom for a short time prior to her death. She lived on Bel Air Drive, not in Millard. My sister and I still talk about her occasionally. I visited her grave and left flowers a couple years ago. She is buried near our dad.
I went to HS with Peggie and graduated with her from Burke in 1970 and I think about her often. I am saddened to know her killer has never been caught.
Wow, I didn’t know she went to Burke. I graduated in 1970. I probably saw her at school before I met her on a double date in April 1970. It has really bugged me all these years about her. The guy she was on the date with looked like the artist rendering, later when I saw it on tv.
When I was growing up in Omaha (in 1970 I was 11yrs. Old) we were neighbors with Richard Hill. He was being raised by his grandparents. The Richard Hill that I remember was def. retarded. I know he did not drive but he was un predictable. He once ran over my little brother with his bicycles in our back yard! Even at my young age and obviously later into my adulthood I had a hard time connecting the dots that he could have had the skills to pull this crime off. His grandparents that raised him never spoke of him after his confession. I certainly could not fathom him on a date. He was really slow and developmentally handicapped. I am shocked to hear that this is a cold case. So what ever happened to Richard Hill?
Thank you for letting me know art or whoever you are. What rob told you… And traci is right… If you cant do it for you do it for. Tom… His kids myself. We arent mad at you nor. Accusing you im sure you understand if it was your family. Going threw. What we did you be same way…i believe this is GODS TIMMING. AND GOD SENT YOU AS THE MESSAGER..TIME TO. TAKE THAT MESSAGE TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO. GO.. I WISH I KNEW WHO YOU ARE … ID GAVE YOU MY NUMBER I DONT KNOW IF WE EVER MET I KEEP RUNNING THRU MY HEAD .. WHO U MIGHT BE.. PLEASE. I BEG YOU TOM YOU SAID WAS GOOD PEOPLE GOOD TO YOU REPAY THAT BACK TO HIM.. He cant stand up. For him self it takes YOU ART IT TAKES ME AND HIS KIDS AND GRANDKIDS ..TO ME YOU WILL BE MY HERO.. TO ME I WOULD OWE YOU ..I. FEEL YOU GOTTA HEART AND MAY BE SCARED BUT. … I WILL STAND BESIDE YOU .. I WISH YOU COULD SEE MY KIDS AND FACE THEM. MY GRANNDKIDS. AND LOOK IN THEIR EYES BECAUSE THRU THEM YOU WILL SEE TOM..YOUR FRIEND …ASKING YOU TO GO TELL.. HELP MY FAMILY….. THINK OF TOM OK ART. THINK ABOUT THE LAST TIME YOU SAW HIM…THE LAST CONVERSATION YOU HAD WITH HIM..32 YEARS AGO AND I REMEMBER. TOM AND MINE… I REMEMBER HOW HE KAID HIS KIDS DOWN AND KISSED THEM. GOODNIGHT .. AND TOLD THEM HE LOVED THEM.. I WISH MY KIDS COULD ATLEAST REMEMBER THAT PART. OF ALL MEMORY THEY COULD HAVE. ..BUT YOU GOT MEMORYS OF TOM LIKE I DO… GIVE THEM THIS MEMORY OF HELPING THEM. PLEASE FIND IN YOUR HEART. THIS LITTLE LEAD YOU HOLD IN YOUR HANDS. CAN FINALLY BRING. CLOSER TO TOMS CHILDREN HELP US. LET TOM REST IN PEACE HE DIDNT. DESERVE THIS .. I KNOW GOD WILL BRING TRUTH AND I PRAY YOU ARE THE TRUTH HE SENT US… THANKS AGAIN
Ok..that’s enough! I don’t trust the law for good reason. I put an alias up for that very same reason. I liked your old man, he was always good people to me. I thought you had a right to know what Rob had said. I will call, But let me do it on my time. I need no more legal troubles!!
Every one loved. TOM….art. As you know if you was his friends. You got the chance to know him where my kuds and grandkids didnt my son may have a few memorys but toms daughter dont. They miss him you know.. We all miss him… Please if tom meant anything to you DO IT FOR HIM OK.. PLEASE DONT HURT MY KIDS AND MAKE THEM WAIT ANY LONGER…OR LONG…WHAT A BLESSING YOU WOULD BRING THEM .. I KNOW TOM LOOKS OVER THEM… I CAN UNDERSTAND .. YOU USING ANOTHER NAME .. AND YOU DONT GOT TO SAY WHO U ARE BUT. WHOEVER YOU ARE I THANK YOU MY KUDS THANK YOU AND MOST OF ALL TOM THANKS YOU…I HAVE PRAYED. FOR THIS DAY TO COME ART…AND I THINK TOM PUT YOU ..THERE FOR A REASON..GOD BROUGHT YOU FOR A REASON..TO BRING JUSTICE. TO US …30 SOME YEARS CARRYING. THIS HURT IN OUR HEARTS. AND NO CLOSER I RATHER DIE WITH A SMILE ON MY FACE KNOWING WE GOT ROB. THEN. DIEING LETTING HIM GO FOR THE LIFE HE TOOK.. TOM DIDNT GET THAT LIFE TO ENJOY HIS FAMILY HOLDING HIS SON AND DAUGHTER SEEING THE BIRTH OF HIS GRANDCHILDREN… WHERE ONE LOOKS JUST LIKE HIM. AND ONE ACTS JYST LIKE HIM.. PLEASE BRING A CLOSER TO THEM TOO AND KNOWING GRANDPA TOM S LIFE. WASNT FOR NOTHING BUT FOR SOMETHING HIS KIDS HIS GRANDKIDS.. AND YOU CAN STAND UP FOR TOM TALK FOR HIM AND SAY FOR YOYRSELF.I DID IT FOR HIM… I DID IT FOR MY FRIEND TOM..HIS CLISER I HOLD IN MY HANDS TIME TO LET IT GO ART…GOD BLESS YOU ART AND THANK YOU. ..IL BE WAITING TO HEAR TOMS CASE IS NOW CLOSED
One more thing art .. You talk to poluce ok. Im sure myself and kids will not let u get in trouble for this ok. I promise you this… Just tell the truth ok..i promise you no trouble
I been waiting on the day for rob tisor to suffer just like he made me suffer over 30 years…from the time i had to say goodbye to my husband til when i read. What you said art. When i read it.. I cryed and said out loud. Tom we got him…i want Rob to suffer like he had tom suffer. Leaving tom out in the field. Laying there. Leaving toms body and taking off. Un til the police took him in. Hours he took our car hpurs. He may have left tom ALONE in that field..il always remember that day when his wife looks at me and charles kaufman and says to us rob did it i know he did it…his own wife…il never forget the day tom left us not because he wanted to because rob made that choice for him..i never forget the day i had to exsplain to a 2 year old and 5 year old daddys not comming home…SO YES I WAITED AND WAITED AND I PROMISED TOM. I WILL NOT GIVE UP ..I WANT THIS. NOT FOR MYSELF BUT FOR TOM.. HIS LIFE IS GOING ON THRU HIS KIDS AND GRANDKIDS. AND IM SHARE IF ANY MEMORY YOU HAVE IS. ONE TOM LEAVES IN YOUR HEART IN MIND.. I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND MY KIDS ARE HOPING. PRAYING. WE GOT DADDYS MURDER THRU YOU… IM SURE THE WAITING IS KILLING THEM INSIDE. YOU THOUGHT THEM HOPE ..ART..HELP THEM REMOVE THE HURTING NOW AND FOR TOM WIPE THESES TEARS FROM HIS CHILDRENS EYES… YOU CAN BE A HERO TO THEM YOU KNOW ..TOMS KIDS ARE GOOD KIDS. YOUD LIKE THEM.. IM SURE ..DONT TAKE TO LONG WE NOT GONA PUSH YOU YOUR RIGHT ITS YOUR TIMMING BUT IM SURE YOU WILL DO IT SOON… I DONT KNOW WHO YOU ARE.. BUT YOU MEAN THE WORLD TO ME FOR STEPPING UP… JYST LOOK AT YOUR KIDS AND THANK GOD THEY DONT HAVE TO GO THRU WHAT MINE DID OK..MAY GOD BE WITH U WHEN YOU MAKE THAT CALL .. I THANK YOU MY KIDS THANK YOU AND. I WOULD BACK YOU. TO KEEP YOUR REAL NAME OUT OF ANYTHING I WILL MAKE SURE YOUR INFO STAYS. WITH IN THE POLUCE AND OUR FAMILY.. IM SURE MY SON WOULD BE RIGHT WITH YOU IF YOU NEEDED SOMEONE TO GO WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU LEAVE THE POLUCE STATION. IF ITS WHAT YOUR WORRIED ABOUT YOU CANT GO TO JAIL FOR TELLING THETRUTH.. GOD WILL BE WITH YOU AS WELL .. BECAUSE HIS CHILD IS TOM.. AND YOUR HIS BROTHER THRU CHRIST PKEASE REMEMBER THIS WHEN YOU MAKE THAT CALL GOD BLESS ART OR WHOEVER YOU ARE IL BE PRAYING FOR U AS WELL
Okay, but I’m confused. You knew Tom and you recently did time with Tisor? So this is a little more personal for you considering you also knew Tom. I can promise you that there is absolutely no judgement towards you for what you have done, why you don’t like the police, or anything. However, this might be the one time they can do something good for a family and that information rest with you. Please help ease the minds and hearts of my husbands family. I understand wanting to do it on your own time. Build up the courage. I can assure you that once you’re done, it will feel good knowing you did the right thing.
I don’t know what the argument was about or that his best friend was Ernie!! I wasn’t living in town when all this went down. I didn’t move back till 04. I decided to look up some of my old party buddies last week….that’s how I found this site
Again, please contact the Van Buren County sheriff department. If you want to help the family, I would rather you contact the authorities so that justice can be served! It’s heartbreaking to know that someone may have information but would rather comment anonymously instead of going to authorities. PLEASE!!!
I don’t talk to Cops….EVER
Then your. Helping rob tisor get away with murder
Art my kuds were 2 and 5years old when rob took their dads lufe.. Think if theses were your kids dont you think they deserve a closer.. Missing their father and grow up with out you… Then they have grandkids that dont even know you. Were your kids have no MEMORY of you…im sure your a father yourself so look your kids in the face and say. You dont deserve it…..could you actually turn the other cheek. Or have A FRIEND HOLD INFORMATION THAT COULD LEAD TO THE MURDER OF YOU…ROB DONT HAVE TO KNOW YOU CAN CALL THE POLICE MY DAUGHTER GAVE YOU THE NUMBER… ROB TOOK ALOT AWAY FROM ME AND MY CHILDREN ..THEIR. FATHER WAS MURDERED YOU KNOW IT I KNOW IT… PLEASE BE THE GRACE OF GOD. FIND THAT SPOT IN YOUR HEART AND GAVE MY CHILDREN THIS BLESSING ON PUTTING ROB WHERE HE BELONGS I KNOW IT WONT BRING THEIR DAD BACK BUT IM SURE IT BRING PEACE TO THEM…PLEASE I BEG YOU IN THE NAME OF GOD HIS SON PLEASE MAKE THAT CALL…IF YOUR ANY MAN AT ALL YOU DO RIGHT THING .. THANK YOU ART FOR ATLEAST READING THIS ITS UP TO YOU. OK BUT I PRAY YOU DO WHAT GOD LEADS YOU TO…MAKE THE CHOICE .. ITS UP TO YOU BUT DONT LET YOUR HANDS BECOME JUST AS DIRTY. AS ROB TISORS
Sherri, do you not realize that this person is most likely a liar? Art Vandelay is an alias. It is a name from the Seinfeld show. This person is most likely taking this tragedy and messing with everyone’s emotions. :(
I hope whoever it is traci ..either steps up who info ..and if he kieing gets what whoever it is. GOD PUNISHES FOR THIS .. I WANT ROB CAUGHT MORE THEN MY KIDS DO ITS ASHAME THIS IDIOT IS PLAYING WITH REAL LIFES… I PRAY TOM GOD. LEADS. THE RIGHT. INFO TO POLICE TOM DESERVES THIS WE DESERVE THIS
Robert The DCI in Osceola will lead you where you need to go! Just so you know my Dad lived in Woodburn Iowa and he built that house along time ago. I have my own oppinion about where my Dad is. I live in Indianola facebook name -betsy mae
Hi Betsy it’s me loyal jr bill was my first cousin you all have been in my prayers
Loyal Thomas it was great to hear from you and your daughter .I cannot tell you what it means to me that someone is thinking about my Dad ! Super Bowl Sunday I thought about him all day ;14 yrs ago i sat with him for the last time we was watching Super bowl together I had a few drink with my ole man Ill never forget that day I love him so much….I am going to look for him but I have to be careful because the last time I looked for him me and my sister she got ran over and then Rhonda and I was sued for $14000.00 by my brother , So I will have to use the legal route but I am going looking if I cant if maybe Cold Case can help … It is time to look for him again, Thanks for lighting the fire in my heart again Betsy Mae
Betsy- What do you mean the last time you went looking for him you were ran over by your brother? Do you mean run over by a car? That doesn’t make any sense. Why would your brother run you over? And then sue you? Why would your brother not want you looking for your dad? Why can’t you look for him together? Can you please elaborate on this situation? Your relationship with these people and their opposition to you looking for him might shed a lot of light on his case. God bless you and your family. I hope you find out where he is.
Since Bill Sr. had a successful business, who was that business left to? My guess is there is a quarrel regarding where his estate and business is left to, perhaps a business partner or family member or former associate of some kind and someone feeling left out or jelous and then vengeful perhaps? Or was his business working on a controversial or politically charged construction contract? I would get polygraphs, look at history of business invoices around the time of disappearance and look at any active and current contracts he had at the time of disappearance. Take K-9 units on various locations and properties owned by interested parties and go from there. I wonder if anyone ever did that in this case? On a side note, wouldn’t it be nice if everyone smiled in family photos?
After the August 2nd post I really am more motivated to get closure on Bills disappearance . Personally my health is not good but hopefully soon things will fall into place and I’ll be able to move forward in my life. But before I move from Iowa I will make a huge attempt to look for clues and information on Bill’s case. .
I am so glad the step father was convicted of this crime. I was one of the 1500 people searching for this little girl for two days. I cried all day when I learned of her discovery and deceased. I was also very angry, and felt powerless. This case lead me to working in the field of security since then in Illinois. I work primarily selling security cameras to residential properties. In hopes to prevent and deter assholes like this guy from thinking about commiting another crime like this. Only if more people would speak up more often to the police we can deter serious crimes like this from happening. Lets all work together to keep our children and familes safe! http://www.homesecurityconsultantllc.com.
Oh and another thing i kept my mouth shut due to toms brother is married to rob tisors sister… So this can cause big problems as well not just for me toms kids and grandkids
I like to say i am toms wife … And. Whoever put stuff on here about me needs to be removed ..you put things on here that wasnt true with out hard facts.. Exspeacily tom having weed in car to me getting with co work 2 months after his death i think before things get printed that you should get hard facts not bye others telling you lies this could. End up in a law suit… I even had you remove where someone said i had my husband killed .. I think you should get facts instead of hear say thank you
Did some time with Rob recently, he confessed to killing his “Best friend”..after an argument. I thought it was just tough talk.
Art, please contact Brad Hudson at the Van Buren County sheriff department! 319-293-3426. It would mean so much to me and my family!!
What was the arguement over .. I know rob was high on dope the nught before and linda said rob killed a cat…and. Saw fear in her face…rob always acted funny when me and kids saw him. Nervous and wouldnt look at us in face. He took my LIFE… I want to confront him so bad i have words i wanta say to him in person
You need to tell the police that.
Rob, please go to the police with this info!
We believe you, so will they!
Please be his voice, he was murdered by his best friend that he trusted & cared for.
Just sick
Hi, my name is Laure. My maiden name was Mitchell. Unfortunately I don’t have any information about the Guy Heckle case. I wish I did though. My family lived in the same neighborhood as the Heckles. We lived on Benton St NE shortly before the disappearance took place. We moved away from the neighborhood in 1968. My younger sister, Lisa, was in kindergarten with Guy. My older brother, Jeff was in the same class as Holly Heckle at Eisenhower Elementry School. Of course my family heard about the disappearence when it happened. I can’t imagine anything this horrible happening to anyone. It’s very haunting whenever a child is a victim. My heart goes out to the Heckle family. I hope this case gets solved and the family gets some closure. The sooner the better. My thoughts and prayers go out to the family.
We miss you Uncle Bill. I hope one day we can peacefully lay you to rest properly. We miss you and love you ?.
So sad. R.I.P.
Could you guys even get the mothers dna and put it in the system and check to see if johnny is alove and has possibly been put in the system possibly by another name….?!? Probably wouldnt hurt to try. Iv losten to the series and investigators in thos case are so lazy it’s saddening. Its like they think its ok someones child has been miss for so long woth noone helping find him but only the mother. What if it was the cops/investigators child. Guaranteed they wouldnt give up the first day like they have in this case.
The CIA/Deep state kidnapped me and the Department of homeland security is running the cover up for them and threatening to place me in one of there secret prisons if I continue to speak out.
Johnny Gosch is dead. No one, except Johnny’s kidnapper, saw him alive after September 5, 1982. Johnny has never “spoken out” about anything. Please get help for your mental illness.
Your violation of the comment policy only demonstrates your need to do the research required to uave a better understanding of the facts. PLEASE Read my Twitter profile to view the necessary photos of me and my birthmarks. The police don’t have ” Johnny’s” fingerprints because I’m walking around with them.
So, where is this Twitter profile? You linked a private WordPress page no one can access. I recently heard about a mental patient falsely claiming to be Johnny. Do you realize how hurtful that is to Johnny’s family?
There is only one Johnny Gosch profile on twitter that has any tweets. I’m not a sheepherder so you will have to find it on your own.
Sorry dude, but your birthmark 1) does not look like South America, and, 2) is nowhere close to where Johnny’s birthmark was. I know one of Johnny’s close relatives, and I know EXACTLY where the birthmark was. You don’t remember growing up as Johnny Gosch because you are NOT Johnny Gosch. Please choose another delusion.
You are just trying to ad more propaganda to the cover up by casting doubt at me. That is what trolls do. If they cast an overwhelming amount of doubt, all the doubts over shadow the Facts. Noreen has said hundreds of times that it was on johnny’s left chest. All anybody has to do is google Johnny Gosch birthmarks South American This will produce 6200 results of which there must be over 500 that describe Johnny’s birthmark as a large birthmark shaped like South America on his left chest. You need to stop adding more lies to the abduction narrative. You completely ignored the right side birthmark which is 80% the same as would be expected because birthmarks change over time. This is a fact that anybody can easily see in less than 10 minutes. Yellow Bags is just casting doubt in an effort to get the rest of you from doing your own independent research. Do not believe his propaganda. Johnny is not dead ether.
So, you saw on Google that Johnny had a birthmark, and you have a birthmark in a completely different place, so that proves you are Johnny Gosch. The CIA must have used their memory eraser machine on you and surgically moved your birthmark 8 inches. Happens all the time :)
Yellow Bags trolled me on my other post and I will not entertain him any more. He is what people call troll, they work for people that don,t want the truth to be reviled.
Johnny Gosch memories started emerging in me almost 9 years ago. Although I did not know this until about 3 years ago.
This is way bigger than just the abduction.
The truth about what happened to me has been elusive. I was subjected to a lot of mind control programming that involved a lot of hypnotism that was used to manipulate my memories. Memory control is mind control, we are all the sum of our memories. I have had to investigate my recovered memories in order to corroborate them in there truthfulness. The following is about 80% correct most more and some less. with help this can be improved. My memories point to a CIA mind control experiment where TWO children were programmed with similar personalities that did not know each other. Then they had them unknowingly switch places with each other where only the father knew the truth because both were active members of and help run some of the ninth circle child sex rings. Something went wrong and they ended the experiment with a semi fake abduction. OR the two johnny narrative is just part of my transition back to Johnny being my front personality. where he can play a more active role.Only time will till. I am only after the truth and the FBI and the CIA only want to hide me. I have a right to know what they did to me and why. WHY?
oh my god e7138@trbvm.com what a terrible thing to say…clear back in 6th grade?think outside the box and realize what nate was probably going thro at that time in his life.grade school was a long time ago…get over it
Why is there no mention of the murder of Jeanie Christenson in Storm Lake, Iowa, who was found strangled in her apartment.
Linda, I contacted Chief Prosser regarding Jean Marie Christensen, who was found strangled in her Storm Lake apartment Oct. 17, 1971. Jean’s fiancé, Michael Dean Peterson, was indicted and tried for her murder and found guilty. The Iowa Supreme Court reversed the verdict (based on a technicality) in June 1974, but that did not diminish the investigator’s position that Peterson was the perpetrator.
Iowa, like other states, considers a case closed once a suspect is arrested and charged with a crime.
Was he released at that time, or was he retried? Just curious to know if he’s still alive. He must be in his late 70s by now (2023).
Yeh and if he is alive was there ever any DNA preserved that could be looked at today?
I spoke to Toni the morning before she was killed, and NOT ONE cop or investigator has EVER asked me for an interview, ever. Not one.
She told me that she knew that the shooting next door was a murder, and she knew who did it.
I’ll never forget that, ever.
Any new information in this case? I remember this day, my parent’s names are Larry and Barb and when the new first came out, of course I thought it was my parents. Living in a small community, our hearts broke for Barb.
Does anyone know where Eugene’s newspaper back was found on the side of the road, which part of town? Not sure if this was ever made public? Wondering if it ever lead to any clues as to which direction/road he may have been taken after being abducted?
I think it was Southwest 12th Street and Highview Drive, but the article says that the bag was found “outside Des Moines.” So I’m not sure.
A pile of Eugenes newspapers was found on SW 14th and Highview, probable abduction point.. the SW 12th and Highview location was where Eugene was last spotted having a conversation with a man. There’s a helpful map on Reddit with these locations! Hope something useful comes from it
I think the guy who killed jacob wetterling needs to have his whereabouts known on both the johnny gosch and eugene martin cases. Just a thought but he is a pedophile.
I agree Daune, when I hear Danny Heinrichs was stalking paperboys in Paynesville, between 84 and 86 that gave me chills. He kidnapped and sexually assaulted Jared Scheierl in January 1989 in Cold Spring, MN; Jacob Wetterling was kidnapped, assaulted and killed in October 1989. Danny Heinrich was in his 20s but looked much older than his 20s. He also served in the National Guard. Is there any National Guard facilities near Des Moines that he might have had weekend guard duty? I have wondered if they ever checked him out for these missing boys in Iowa.
Fort Des Moines is on SW 9th, which is just a few blocks from where he was last seen and his bag was found a few blocks further away. I don’t know what Ft. DSM was used for at the time of either boys’ disappearance (I was born in ‘85); but in my lifetime it’s been used for weekend guard duty, a substance abuse treatment facility, and a halfway house.
Fort Des Moines was active back then, but on a very small scale, mostly used like a recruiting station with only a few buildings being used.
The person identified as deceased by advancedbackgroundchecks dot com was actually the father of the main suspect
It definitely appears that this is the facebook profile shared by the main suspect and his wife:
advancedbackgroundchecks dot com says that the Lawrence Albert McCoy (the alleged perp) died 1-23-1998. However, that is not always reliable.
So who was the other person who was arrested but then released in Ms. Keane’s murder?
From the Wisconsin State Journal, May 1, 1978 (regarding the main suspect in Ms. Kean’s death):
Man is convicted of murder
LA CROSSE (AP) — A circuit court jury convicted Lawrence McCoy during the weekend of second degree murder in the death of Michael Bentzen.
McCoy had been charged with first degree murder in the May 31, 1977, death of Bentzen, 24. The six-woman, six-man jury received the case Friday night and deliberated all day before returning the verdict Saturday night.
A pathologist said Bentzen had been shot twice, immobilizing a leg and an arm, and died of drowning. The shooting occurred after an incident at a bar in which Bentzen allegedly
made a racial slur.
A pre-sentence investigation was ordered for McCoy and a court appearance was set for May 8
OK, I identified the wrong Lawrence Albert McCoy in the comment above regarding the obituary. The guy in the obit is not the Lawrence Albert McCoy who was the suspect. The real main suspect is still alive, and living in Milwaukee, as far as I can tell from advancedbackgroundchecks dot com.
I may have identified the wrong Lawrence Albert McCoy in the comment above regarding the obituary. I am trying to track down the correct Lawrence Albert McCoy
Who was the next person to see Padgett after he allegedly dropped Erin off? What time was Padgett seen by this person? Under what circumstances? What was Padgett wearing? What was his demeanor? What had Padgett been wearing when Erin got into his truck? Where now is the truck that Padgett was driving at the time of Erin’s disappearance?
So can anyone else find out who the other of the two suspects is?
And here is a link to the prime suspect’s obituary:
http://www.legacy.com/funerals/willwerscheid-saintpaul/obituary.aspx?pid=157543788
Lawrence Albert McCoy
Age 60 Of St. Paul Passed away May 7, 2012 after a brave but brief battle with illness.Larry was born on April 26, 1952 in St Paul, MN. He was a hard working business owner with 35+ years in furniture repair; Larry was loved by many and will be greatly missed. Preceded in death by father, William W. McCoy. He is survived by his wife, Maria McCoy and stepsons, Anton and Nicholas (Christine) Butler; daughter, LaTayo (Darrin) Talton, and her sister Selina McCoy; sons, Larry McCoy Jr. and Julian Hassel; Also survived by his two sisters, Anita Robinson, and Billie McCoy; brother, Charles McCoy; 7 grandchildren; numerous nephews, nieces, cousins and friends. Mass of Christian Burial, Monday, 10AM at the Church of St. Peter Claver, 375 Oxford St. N., St. Paul. Visitation Sunday 3-7PM at Willwerscheid Funeral Home, 1167 Grand Ave., St. Paul, 651-228-1006 and at church 1 hour before the Mass. In lieu of flowers, family requests donation to Our Lady of Peace Home, 2076 St. Anthony Ave, St. Paul, MN 55104, the hospice where Larry spent his final peaceful days.
This link discusses a possibly related Wisconsin homicide: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/129767817/
The perp’s name is/was Lawrence Albert McCoy Jr. In 1978, he was age 24 and living in Minneapolis.
In part, the article says:
“In testimony at McCoy’s trial at LaCrosse, Edward Warren, 25, of LaCrosse who was granted immunity from a first-degree murder charge testified for the prosecution that he was with McCoy when McCoy shot Bentzen. He also said he helped McCoy dump Bentzen into the Mississippi River from a bridge near LaCrosse. Dr. Ruth Dalton, a pathologist, testified that Bentzen died from drowning but that his ability to swim to safety was impaired by shotgun wounds and that he could have died from loss of blood since two vital blood vessels were punctured. McCoy admitted firing three shots at Bentzen with a .410 shotgun, but he claimed Warren tossed Bentzen over the bridge rail.”
“Michael Kean, who discovered his wife’s body in the bedroom of their home, had known McCoy as a fellow worker at Union Carbide Corp. here. What piqued renewed interest in McCoy by the Keans and Des Moines police was testimony by Warren, the state’s key witness at LaCrosse, that he had seen a .38-caliber pistol in the trunk of McCoy’s car sometime after the Bentzen shooting. The pistol had nothing to do with Bentzen’s death, but investigators now are trying to find McCoy’s car, which was burned mysteriously in Minneapolis before McCoy’s arrest last June 29 in connection with Bentzen’s slaying. The long-shot hope of investigators is that the remains of the burned car are impounded or sitting in a junkyard somewhere and that the pistol Warren says he saw may still be in the trunk of the car. In Des Moines, Kean said he went to McCoy’s trial at LaCrosse because “I just wanted to see him face to face, but I was told I couldn’t talk to him.” Kean recalled that on the day of his wife’s death someone had called him at work and asked if he (Kean) was going home for lunch. When Kean said he wasn’t, the caller hung up. Mrs. Kean, who had attended summer school classes at Lincoln High until about 12:30 p.m. the day of her death, is believed to have died during the noon hour. McCoy, then living at the Oakridge Apartments at 926 Oakridge Drive, was arrested by Des Moines police shortly after Mrs. Kean’s death. He was held for several days on an intoxication charge, but no charges were filed in connection with the Kean slaying. Mrs. Kean was the daughter of Nadine Wilson of Des Moines and Don Wilson, a West Des Moines attorney who died in March 1973 of injuries received in an auto accident McCoy’s sentencing on the second-degree murder conviction is scheduled for June 14. He could be sentenced to 5 to 25 years in prison. Officials say McCoy could be eligible for parole in 20 months if be is sentenced to a minirrum term and is given credit for 10 months in jail while awaiting trial. when his body was tossed over a bridge railing, witnesses testified. The unsolved Des Moines slaying is that of Geralyn Jean “Gigi” Kean. Kean, a Lincoln High School senior, was found dead at her home at 446 S.E. Hart St. about 2:30 p.m. on July 29, 1975. She had been shot five times in the face, back and side with a .38-caliber handgun. McCoy, an acquaintance of Kean’s husband of eight months, is considered a “top suspect” In the Kean slaying, says Des Moines Police Lt. Ed Harlan. Harlan said Kean had been pistol-whipped and the trigger guard of the weapon had broken off and was found near her body. “We have never been able to find the gun, though generous rewards have been offered,” Harlan said. Harlan said police are looking for a five-shot, blue steel .38-caliber Iver Johnson revolver with serial number 641832, which had been registered to McCoy.”
I still cannot get over Eugene Martin and the two other missing Des Moines boys, Johhny Gosch and Marc Allen. These cases pain me so, so much! I want the families to have closure…I want them to be found! I live in VA, but I feel like I have to go to Des Moines. I don’t know why, I just feel drawn to that place. Maybe I think I’ll find something??? I’m only 19 though, I have no money to go…but God willing ONE DAY! And the fact that Eugene’s parents have died not knowing what happened. That fills me with such sorrow. I feel like I’m too empathetic sometimes. I see the sorrows of others and make them my own, I internalize them and I become overwhelmed. I just hope that one day…ONE DAY we will all have the answers to these questions. I hope that all missing people of all time and their loved ones will have peace and rest and closure. One day. If not in this world, then in the next :,(((
A trip to De Moines would be awesome! I feel so badly his parents had to leave the world without any resolution as well. I think it’s so above and beyond that retired PI JAmes Rowles has his photo in the garage and has attempted to chase down any and every tip presented to him. I would love to have a chat with him, and I hope that he has passed or plans on passing on all his knowledge and theories of the case to someone as passionate as himself in the near future.
As only living aunt of Gene Martin I spent time with his mother, his uncle went on the search finding nothing, I remember a week before Gene disappeared we stopped to visit at his mother’s place. I was in the yard and he came to me and gave me a big hug I asked what that was about he said “just because I love you” I accept that went about the visit . But that’s shows how.. great of a child Gene was . His mother’s side of the family still holds hope of finding.Gene. Beside his siblings. We all miss and love Gene.
Is there any other information about this case? What was he wearing? Have you thought about entering in the info in the doe network?
I have tried calling and nobody will contact me.
Do you still have the same number? May I contact you?
Thanks.
http://www.tamatoledonews.com/page/content.detail/id/603757/Purk-granted-change-of-venue-in-1st-degree-murder-trial.html?nav=5006
Strange….very strange.
It’s been sixteen years since this innocent child was murdered by his own mother.Isn’t it time that the authorities charge the mother with his murder and prosecute her?This murdering bitch should be behind bars paying for her crime!! I am outraged that justice has not been meted out in this case!!!
You are believing lies written by people who are ignoring the truth.
What is the truth then. Can you tell us what happened that night, why so much evidence points to the fact that a MOTHER killed her son. Mothers is the name for God on the lips and hearts of all children. Do you even wonder what poor Ricky went though, or are you just so damn set on defending a monster
I totally agree!! As a mother I would never just stand outside while my son is inside the house burning! The statements I have seen and heard all point to the mother. I live in the same small town as the father and the fact that they have let this case go cold and not investigated her further makes me ill! Plus, why didn’t she grab both boys?! Shes a strong woman. Its fishy that one boy was burnt alive and the other had no trace of smoke on him. But yet he was on the landing.You would think the police department and detectives would want justice for Ricky and his family!! If the mother is innocent why won’t she do interviews to TRY to clear her name!!
My thoughts are I know who killed these people, I know who took Johnny Gosch and the other paper boy. I know who put the body’s in the barrells in New Hampshire. But nobody really wants to know the truth because I keep trying to tell them. If anyone would like to hear what I have to say my number is 9184243575.
Well how about you contact the police department’s in those areas?
how does someone in NE Oklahoma know about a 30 year old murder in Iowa?
That’s what I was wondering. That number is in Tulsa area.
Police proved Bob Evans was working in New Hampshire at the time of the Gosch kidnapping.
I’m curious. How are you all knowing of these crimes?
Yeah well then let the truth be known.
This is so sad to have on here, a Mother (Crystal) lost thers baby, A BABY DIED, A nother mother lost her son, The Fairfield PD failed to put this case together, the truth is the truth, right now only God knows, Seems like a lot of people still hurt that’s understandable. But if you police don’t know what happened all these years later then how do those that think they know, were you there? Did you see things you didn’t tell police, if not it all people’s opinions, if he was my son I would want answers, if she was my daughter and grandbaby. I would need prays.God bless the Mothers that have lost so much.
We are getting the medical records from Iowa City to post that chrystal had only carried the baby for 4 months. the baby died because of stress. From DJs death. You better get the people who came forward and said chrystal had people punch her in the stomach, Because there is going to be a law suit. And i just left the Fairfield police department and the address you posted where all this stuff was suppose to of happened is non existant. My daughter buried her boyfriend and her son all in one week. Dana Bowermaster told me she pushed him out of her house because he was swinging a whisky bottle around and almost hit her daughter in the head with it. And that he hit the back of his head.Her daughter was crying and said mom please go check on him. Now if a 5 year old thinks somethings wrong. Then theres a good chance there is. 10 days later he died. From trauma to the back of his head. Leave my daughter alone shes been threw enough.
This is not true. I have contacted Fairfield Police Department
I dont think anyone should make 0a statement for another person without facts. Speak for yourself Dont put words in Dana mouth without proof
I know it’s not I know you Dana
Coroners report clearly states he had a broken neck. You cant go about your day for 10 days with a neck broken that badly. This was obviously a cover up and hopefully the state will continue to pursue it until an answer is found. His family deserves that.
Agreed
Who ever wrote all this trash is in serious trouble. The fairfield police said if another person brings this up again they were goung to jail. There are so many lies on here. Chrystal was 4 months pregnant when she lost the baby. She lost it because of the trauma of losing DJ.. then to say she had someone punch her in the stomach repeatedly. Your a bunch of sick individuals. Yeah lets open up the case again. And lets find out the real culprit.
You are seriously absurd. You claim that “The fairfield (sic) police said if another person brings this up again they were goung (sic) to jail.” Apparently you are too stooooopid to have ever heard of the First Amendment. I doubt very much that the Fairfield police said any such thing.
Since you have clearly lied about the Fairfield police, why should anyone believe anything else you have to say?
This case was handled so poorly which doesn’t surprise me in this town but this victim and his family deserve answers and justice for this crime yes I said crime. I truly hope that someone follows through with this.
Why wasn’t anyone ever charged with tampering with evidence.
it seems to me when there’s murders in Fairfield they never get solved because the cops aren’t capable of doing the fingerprints collecting evidence seems like they need to get a new group of people in the police department to do that .
I’m saying this now it doesnt take a ROCKET SCIENTIST to see that he was murdered and clearly HIS GF had something to do with it. Its horrible to think peices of trash like his killers and accomplice are out here living life while his was taken. She probably lost the baby because sbes a meth junkie. I hope and pray they all get what’s coming to them especially since John Walsh is now investigating! I feel justice is coming for a few people.
Who r u?? Just wondering Amayha Grant
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Murder itself is a terrible thing! But I cannot fathom murdering an Elderly person. I believe there is a SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL FOR THEM AND THE KILLERS OF CHILDREN!
THIS MAKES ME SICK AND ANGRY TO NO END! I am unable to to have children and SO MANY TAKE THIS GIFT FOR GRANTED! Especially dumped like Trash! And this was a BIG Baby. 9.3! No one noticed a REALLY PREGNANT WOMAN. THEN NOT. And not putting the pieces together?! I hope this haunts all involved for THE REST OF THEIR LIVES!
I agree!
I hope she hears the cry’s of that baby for the rest of her life!!
What disturbs me about this Case is the seemingly lack of motive. It seems without that there is nowhere to start. My deepest condolences to the Family and Friends of this poor young Woman. But I believe the Greatest Judge is God. And the ones responsible WILL PAY IN THE END MORE THAN ON EARTH!
and what about the dad ..he allowed this to happen to his poor baby and left Bernadette alone with her too omg he needs to be punched in the face also
I remember this so well. This person is so guilty of murdering 2 of her babies. Really !!!!!! And yet this woman gets off Scott free. It’s horrible!! Our legal system SUCKS big time. It’s all about money. If you have money a person can get away with murder. If you don’t have money you’re going to jail even if your innocent. It’s so sad ? that this person got away with murder. There’s no proof that anyone was stocking her or raping her she’s a very sick individual I would say.
OMG she is soooo guilty of 2 murders. That’s our legal system a murder gets get free. Someone innocent get sent to jail. It’s all about money. You got the money to pay for a good attorney. You’re going to get off. It’s a bunch of BS.
16 yrs ago tommarow you became an angel Ricky you are never forgotten and are missed by many my deepest sympathies to the entire family and my prayer is that the truth of what really happened that horrible night would be discovered and all the false allegations would stop………..it was a tragedy a horrible tragedy making allegations and gossiping and trying to be judge and jury isnt going to bring this precious baby back I will NEVER believe Rachel hurt her son NEVER and neither does the legal authorities in union county or they WOULD have prosecuted her or someone.I went to hospital and saw Rachel after this horrible tragedy and the greif and sadness she was experiencing was real …………blessing and peace to everyone on this sad anniversary of this tragedy
Gayanne, I have replied to you before on here but you never replied then so I will offer the same thing again. If you would like to see DHS reports that prove Rachel abused or neglected her children, I will be happy to provide them to you.
I can also assure that many legal authorities do think she did this. Just because she has not been prosecuted doesn’t mean anything. This “horrible tragedy,” as you call it, could have been avoided if Rachel had not done what she did. This is not just gossip; there is evidence that shows what happened. I’m sorry you choose to not want to believe it. Although, I do expect that since you are a friend of Rachel’s.
I don’t know why you are claiming you were at the hospital that night to visit Rachel because I know you weren’t. It was her parents, brother, sister-in-law, Rick, me, my sister, and various authorities. The only person she would let in her room that night was Rick. She wouldn’t even let her own family in. So please don’t come on here and claim something that is completely false.
Finally, let me tell you a bit about her grief and sadness she was experiencing after this. The week between Ricky’s death and his funeral Rachel decided to go shopping in Des Moines. She bought all kinds of new stuff for herself with the donations people gave her. Even got her hair and nails done. While she was doing that, Rick, myself, and Rachel’s mother were planning Ricky’s funeral. Rick, myself and one of Rick’s aunts were also meeting with DHS that week to get them to explain to us how they failed Ricky like they did. Shows where her priorities were.
I visited Rachel the day after at the hospital Rachel at one time was my niece my heart aches for your loss I knew her as a child not a adult I was not there I don’t know what happened but am truly saddened by this loss I to hope u get the answers you deserve I’m sure you your heart longs for answers
sociopaths can fake emotions
I agree someone should be looked at even if they have a disability. There is a Case here in MN where a guy in a Wheelchair killed a Woman in his Car. And evidence was linked DIRECTLY TO HIM. I still can’t wrap my head around that one but it happens. For saying this one guy couldn’t have done it. Well no one could believe the WONDERFUL TED BUNDY could do it either.
Hey Melanie.
Hi there Dave.
they didn’t find her phone either.
I am Denease’s cousin. She lived with us for a bit when she was in Jr. High. We were told that it was her husband that committed this crime. I always assumed that he was in jail. I’m sorry if this hurts anyone’s feelings, in saying that. I’m just surprised.
Hello….You said you were my mom’s cousin….That’s nice to know people that knew her when she was younger…..Well during her child hood….He never went to prison or was even charged for the crime that was committed so many years ago….Jody and some other very nice people have been doing all they can to help get some closure after all these years…
If your moms cousin might I ask which one cause it’d be nice to know. I’ve been to meet the family I’m sure I didn’t meet everyone of you but ya never know so I was just curious.
I agree erin….sounds fishy
I know half of his classmates and I have talked to them , I even went over to the road where the phone pinged off, during the day lots of Semi go through. They last phone call was 12:15 to his mother but she miss the call. So 12:15 to the time he was suppose to go to his Grandfather has not b