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  1. Russ Heiser says:

    Mark Millihan did Interesting PODCAST “UNFOUNFD” Harry and Car, I.ll Check bsck or “routte” to CONTACT remain “Jim for NOW.

  2. Russ Heiser says:

    Jim(per say)

    July 1? Turkey Day obvious passed as MANYbhave since 1984
    Davis Brother or (s) you had mentioned Richard would be 80s in PRISON if Still ALIVE. Did you get Chance to Speak with or ANYTHING to ADD?

  3. Night Sonny Jim says:

    My wife and I have seen literally thousands of true crime docs and this one ranks up there in the top 3 of weakest cases ever! The other 2 were Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey. One girl has the memory, the other girl does not remember it – they cancel each other out. Was it a planted memory by a mother with a vendetta? A dream? And I’ve never heard of someone committing a perfect murder with the exception that they went home and started confessing out loud to the victim. Makes no sense. The drug addict’s story makes no sense. Why would a murderer take the bloody clothes out of the bag in plain site of others and then burn them? Wouldn’t she just throw the paper bag with the clothes still in it into the fire and burn everything at once? And why didn’t he say this 25 years earlier when questioned? He can’t be trusted. Why weren’t the hairs tested? And the judge should have allowed this to be a hung jury. It’s obvious there was no evidence. This was a guilty until proven innocent case. I don’t like to speak ill of the dead, but it sounds like this guy’s suspect list could have been longer than the Nile. This is one of those cases that leaves you thinking if she could be convicted of murder with no evidence, then anybody could.

    • Mike Z says:

      The DATELINE episode should bring about another look at this case. Why are her appeals being denied? Unfortunately Cahill had a weak lawyer and that should be a consideration for a re-trial. The judge should be recalled. I intend to keep following this case.

  4. Mike Z says:

    I just saw Dateline on 6/18/2022 and was stunned at the conviction. When Cahill said at her arrest “you don’t know how wrong you are” something rang true to me. I looked at the facts and there was no case for a conviction. A questionable 25-year-old memory from a 9 year old girl and a drug addict saying he saw the defendant burning bloody clothes – how are these considered evidence? And neither of those testimonies were offered during the 1992 investigation. Worst of all is the second judge not accepting a hung jury for the second time, and instructing the jury to come back the next day with a different verdict. I am blown away how this guilty verdict was railroaded by the judge, the detectives and the Weineke family’s desire for a conviction. It’s possible Cahill is guilty, but this trial certainly didn’t prove that.

    • Jody Ewing says:

      I couldn’t agree more. I also watched the Dateline episode and read everything I could on the alleged “evidence.” I normally don’t question law enforcement’s decision to indict, but this case left me with a “you’ve got to be kidding me sick feeling deep in my gut.

      There are cases on this site that contain — in my opinion — more than ample evidence to charge a suspect and ensure a conviction, and yet years go by with no arrests. If someone wrote up this story as a novel, any agent would find it ludicrous and tell them not to quit the day job. Mike Z. is correct in that the possibility exists that Cahill is guilty, but I saw no credible evidence whatsoever to support even an indictment, let alone a guilty verdict at trial.

      If anything, the Dateline episode illuminated the nonsensical rationale for Cahill’s arrest.

  5. Diane McIntyre says:

    Can you say…”Salem witch trial?” Watch out Justice. And the softball bat, how many ounces was it – because to swing a bat and make perfect contact to cause unconsciousness you need skill and strength- try it out on a tree- frickin impossible unless you’re built like a weightlifter and play for the MLB- Any male suspects or just a mother of 2 kids that has the time to kill during a weekday? Oh no- somebody of this 8 billion person world, who might have a repressed memory slightly askew, and you’re going to jail for 50 years!!

  6. Pat says:

    DM Register 04/30/1962: “police alerted hospitals and taxi cabs, officers combed dozens of blocks”.
    The initial description was somewhat misleading.
    From 14th Place the murderer had a straight line (due) north trajectory to reach neighborhoods with relatives and friends.
    About 1.5 miles to traverse.
    There was no freeway to deal with.
    His biggest exposure would be crossing Keosauqua.
    If he stuck to alley ways, his exposure was minimal.
    Assuming a pace of 12 minutes/mile, that is 18 minutes travel time.
    He was probably indoors before Clark and I returned to Clark’s apartment.

  7. Pat says:

    What I misunderstood, as many people do, is that trailing is highly problematic.
    According to trailing expert, Jeff Schettler: “… most trailing-dog deployments rarely find what they are looking for.” [K9 Trailing The Straighest Path (p. 62). Kindle Edition.]

    What likely happened on 04/29/1962 was:

    The bloodhound(s) got started with the right scent article.
    Contamination of the scent article occurred before exposure to bloodhound(s).
    The bloodhound(s) did NOT get started with the right scent.
    The handler was handicapped by arriving at the scene after other investigators. He never got control of the situation.
    The murderer-rapist’s scent was not the freshest or strongest on the scene, and the bloodhound(s) didn’t “select” it.
    Inner city environment contributes to odor confusion.

    Trailing failure did not detect that the murderer-rapist fled the crime scene on-foot.
    After he jumped from the window of the house at 1526 Woodland, he ran south to the alley, east to 15th Street, north to Woodland, east to 14th Place, north on 14th Place.

  8. Stay Strong! says:

    Interesting article highlighting the unfortunate occurrences of tragedies impacting Native American Iowans including this case…

    ‘Where is she?’ Iowa Indigenous communities grapple with missing and murder cold cases
    (Via The Gazette)

  9. Stay Strong! says:

    Interesting article highlighting the unfortunate occurrences of tragedies impacting Native American Iowans including this case…

    ‘Where is she?’ Iowa Indigenous communities grapple with missing and murder cold cases
    (Via The Gazette)

  10. Jim F says:

    At one point this entry mentioned a fare Mr. Massouris was to have picked up at a rough old honky tonk bar that was under the viaduct. I believe a waitress was wating for it and you alluded to the fact she had something to do with it. Now all that is deleted. I wish I could remember the name of that bar because my mother told me how rough it was. I think it was called Ranchero or something similar.

  11. Duane Kruse says:

    Tim is my cousin. In 2019, I sent letters to the newspapers in Ottumwa and Albia and have not gotten any responses. Please help by writting more letters.

  12. cassandra l Johnson says:

    I worked with her at Wendy’s. When I seen this I had no idea she was murdered like this. Sad asf. She was nice and didn’t deserve this

  13. Anonymous says:

    Jeff Smith did this. Run the DNA

  14. Larry Teig says:

    I would like to hear from any of you and give you my thoughts. Janet was my aunt. I had spoken with Frank’s sister, Mary a few years back. She died in 2007 or so. She had lived in Des Moines and had spoken the truth to the 2 children. Frank married a woman named jean who told the two kids a lie that Janet had committed suicide. Glad she had kept in touch with P.J. and Chris.

  15. Larry Teig says:

    My name is Larry Teig. Janet was my aunt. My mom was Marjorie and we were stunned when Janet died. As time passed, we all (cousins) have concluded that Frank, her husband had her murdered. This was confirmed by Franks sister, Mary La Fratte later years. She was a wonderful mother to her two children P.J. and Chris. I believe they both live in Des Moines. Someday, all will be revealed.

  16. Kevin Jauron says:

    I still love you and miss you everyday Mom!!!!

  17. Helen Burk Clark says:

    Janet was my aunt, her husband Frank was my mom’s brother. The day Janet died, she had dropped off her children at Grandma’s just up the road. She told grandma that Frank needed her to help him in the field. Later that day she was found drowned in the pond. Interesting that the next day, we were all told by Frank that it was a suicide when in fact that was never the case!!!! Jean the woman he married 6 months later also told Frank’s children that Janet died by suicide. There were facts at the scene that without a doubt ruled out suicide.

    • Larry Teig says:

      Hello Helen, My name is Larry Teig. Janet was my aunt. My mother was her older sister, Marjorie from Jewell, Iowa. I had kept in touch with Frank’s sister Mary who lived in Des Moines. She too believed Frank was responsible. Mary had kept in touch with the two Children, P.J. and Chris. She told them the truth. I have been trying to contact P.J. Tony’s son told me he found an address for him in Des Moines. He wanted to contact him as his cousin and although I never got a hold of P.J. I would love to show reconnect with him as his cousin. I understand Chris is married and lives in Des Moines as well. You can contact me at

  18. Adrian says:

    Just came across this case. I was rightfully suspicious as to why such a paucity of pictures of this rapist and murderer. Another Killer Koon. Just how many even live in Iowa??

  19. Gary C Sobie says:

    If your looking Mark Edward Handlon. You should stake out his exwifes residence at 4903 28th Avenue, Moline, IL. Because if he’s not there. She will definitely know how to get a hold of him. And definitely knows where he’s at for sure. Because she is constantly calling him. She is probably hiding him at her house. Or at one of her relatives houses that live around her house. That’s probably for sure where you will find him. Don’t stop looking for him at all. And when you find him. You need to arrest him immediately along with his exwife. Marilee Handlon at 4903 28th Ave, Moline, IL.

  20. Richard Clements says:

    How does one go about getting in touch with Lt. Frank Stearns, or Lt. Ron Vande Weerde, or a Bill Basler?

  21. Christina says:

    Hey jade! I miss you and think about you often. I don’t know where you are but we used to be best friends in school. I have picture’s of us. Your family have been in my heart and prayers. I hope they continue this case.

  22. Sandra says:

    Cesus show norma swope born 1925 and died at 15. No records found if her death why?

    • doofy says:

      record keeping in the 1920’s probably wasnt done thoroughly, been a hundred years so might of been lost somehow

  23. Mary I would like to know where you get your information from ?this was my grandpa And I don’t know who you are so I will see you in around our family I don’t see how this helps find my grandpa!

  24. I’m just curious while everybody’s saying all this stuff about the dead and it doesn’t even pertain to Anything about their disappearance Thought this was supposed to help find them not to bash upon the dead and missing

  25. William Holder says:

    The staging of the scene to resemble a “robbery” where nothing was missing save the murder weapon and that the body was also staged strongly suggests to me the killer was a family member, either the husband or one of the two sons. The killer didn’t bring a weapon but knew there was a gun safe in the basement and retrieved the murder weapon from there. It seems clear Jason was not the killer since video places him far away at the time of the murder. Comment from family member above indicates husband was also far away at the time of the murder. That leaves Billy Dean Carter. Where was he that morning – why was he never a suspect? Can any other family members be implicated or have motive? And Jason’s wife, she seems 100% convinced from the beginning that Jason wasn’t involved – not the slightest doubt. Is there a reason she is so sure? It’s baffling to me that this remains a cold case and that not a shred of physical evidence was ever found.

    • doofy says:

      im sure the police have thought about this as many others have also. maybe there isnt quite enough evidence to move forward……yet

    • William Holder says:

      I just watched the A&E Accused Guilty or Innocent series episode about this case. Presented from the defendents point of view. It elaborates on a very generous plea deal offered by the state and statements by others implicating the Followill brothers. At this point I am convinced that not only is Jason not culpable it is likely neither are any family members. It is upsetting that his life has been greatly impacted and that he is being held responsible with no further appeal possible for a 10.2M civil judgement against him.

  26. alyssa thiessen says:

    ok so how hard would it be to solve the case bc my dad knew her in high school and i would like to bring her family to peace about what happened to there child

  27. Sarah says: has a story about him from 2000, in the Des Moines Register.

  28. Robert Lucht says:

    They had a little museum at knotts berry farm when I was a kid in the 1970s they had the axe from this crime at there museum it was shut down years ago wonder what happend to the axe!

  29. Murder Mystery Readers Comments says:

    Maureen Farley did not know that she moved to Cedar Rapids and moved next door to a murder who was trying to hide his murder by killing more people, or hiring a person to kill possibly the only person who saw him commit the murder. Maureen Farley moved right in next door to the possibly murderer of Paula Oberbroeckling. Maureen Farley’s next door neighbor in Cedar Rapids was Doctor Thomas Sturgeon (a chiropractor). Paula Oberbroeckling was murdered at a prostitute’s house. The pimp at that prostitute’s house was Ernest Jordan . Doctor Thomas Sturgeon bought the gun and paid Perry Harris to murder Ernest Jordan, the pimp who most likely saw Doctor Thomas Sturgeon murder Paula Oberbroeckling when he was trying to rape Paula Oberbroeckling.

  30. Pat says:

    Today marks 60 years since the murder-rape of Ramona Jean Cox. This case has been of lasting interest to me because I was walking within 150 feet of 1526 Woodland, WHILE THE CRIME WAS IN-PROGRESS.

    My friend and I went to Foodland (630 14th Place) to buy cigarettes. The clerk had to face east as he pulled the cigarettes from the shelf, and that is when he mentioned a black guy running shirtless past the store window. I couldn’t see from inside the store, so I stepped out of the store door, and looked north on 14th Place. He had a white shirt gripped in his left hand. It enabled me to see him in the dark, on an overcast night (no moonlight). He glanced back, and saw me, but kept slow trotting north.

    When the first squad car arrived, my friend and I walked back to the corner of 15th and Woodland. After the police informed the three people in the yard at 1530, that they found the dead body of their neighbor at 1526, the women started yelling and crying. That would be Sharen C and Jackie P. Charles R, the boyfriend of Sharen C, tried to console her, but she wouldn’t be consoled. From 150 feet away, my friend and I, interpreted it as a boyfriend-girlfriend spat that had gotten out of hand. When the vehicle with the bloodhounds arrived, our theory didn’t seem to fit. Why were the bloodhounds on the scene?

    Charles, Sharen, and Jackie identified the man who jumped from the window as white. Later, the FBI analysis of hair fibers, indicated a black-white mix. The guy I saw slow trotting on 14th Place was black. He was in the neighborhood, at the right time, and had about the same stature (5’9”, 160 lbs) as reported in the newspaper, so why don’t I think he was the murderer? The bloodhounds arrived on the scene in less than an hour. If the guy I saw was the murderer, the bloodhounds would have been on that trail in a heartbeat. Instead, the newspaper indicated the bloodhounds only tracked to the back alley. This indicates to me that the murderer fled the scene in a vehicle parked behind 1526 Woodland.

    • Cody says:

      Reading your previous entries regarding this case, you indicated that you didn’t see anything. Now you are saying you did indeed see “a black man jogging”? Please explain.

      • Pat says:

        You are probably referring to when the officer asked us “boys” if we had seen anyone in the neighborhood, and I said no.
        Keep in mind, my friend Clark and I, didn’t know until the next morning what had happened, and how serious the situation was. That night, we thought it looked like a boyfriend-girlfriend spat that had gotten out of hand.
        We actually hadn’t seen anyone in the neighborhood on our walk to Foodland, at 630 14th Place. The streets were desolate. We were the only ones out and about. Not unusual considering people were getting ready for the start of the work week, and were headed to bed or already in bed.
        The only activity we saw was the guys screech off the stop sign at the south segment of 15th at Woodland. We were positioned right in front of them, if they had came up over the curb onto the sidewalk, they would have hit us. But, the driver cut hard left and sped west on Woodland. I figured out the next day after reading the paper, that this was Charles Russell, and his friend who was driving him back to 1530 Woodland.
        We had run out of cigarettes, and that was why we went to Foodland. We were underage, but Clark was 6’0″ and about 200 lbs. I was 5’10” and 98 lbs. He looked old enough if the clerk didn’t check id.
        We spent a few minutes looking around getting some candy, then when Clark asked for the cigarettes, I lingered in the store doorway, getting ready to run if the clerk questioned our age. I just realized last night, in a flashback, that I actually saw that jogger come up the south segment of 15th, headed for Woodland. I went back into the store, and chatted with Clark and the Clerk. When the clerk faced east to grab the cigarettes, he said he saw a black guy, shirtless, jog by the window. I stepped back out of the store doorway, and could see him jogging north on 14th Place. He had a light colored shirt in his left hand, wadded up. Since it was an overcast night (no moon, no stars), I probably wouldn’t have seen him without that light shirt.
        I believe he had the shirt on when I first saw him, and must have taken it off when I went back into the store.
        Clark was in the store the whole time, and wouldn’t have seen the guy. I never mentioned anything about the jogger to him. The clerk only got a poor glimpse as he jogged by. I say poor glimpse, because the store window had cardboard signs and a neon sign that would have prevented him from getting a good look. The best view I had was when he was jogging north on the south segment of 15th toward Woodland. The view I had of him as he jogged north on 14th Place was inferior, because there was no close by streetlight, his back was to me, although I saw him glance back over his shoulder.
        I’ve been trying to refine that memory image, but it is from 60 years ago.

  31. Miss congeniality says:

    Wasant Mike Flowers a suspect in the hill murder didn’t they find him wearing the Mr hills ring?

  32. John doe says:

    Jose Canas Is the true killer of Amber Hayes!!!

  33. Jim says:

    I always pull up google maps when reviewing these cases. I don’t know why but it tends to give be a better perspective of what happened and how.
    The girls’ bikes were found on the trail in the South East corner of the park. This is the most obscure area in the park and is next to I-350. It is obvious why everyone jumped to the conclusion it might have been a trucker.
    What I want to know it the address the grandmother lived at when this occured. I would like to try and track the path they took TO the park as I feel someone watched them and followed them in there, waiting til they got to this remoter area.

    • MikeD says:

      People jumped on to the idea that it might have been a trucker, but there is a large fence between the park and the interstate. I don’t want to give the exact address, but the grandma’s house was on Brovan Blvd Evansdale, Iowa. It’s a small street and if you look at street view from 2012 you can’t miss it. The park where the girls were found is very remote and only the kind of place locals who grew up in the area ever visit. Not the kind of place and random trucker would know about or be able to drive their truck easily into.

  34. Angelina says:

    I pray my sister gets the justice she so desperately deserves. I hope the person or persons that were involved in taking her from us pay the ultimate price. There is a special place in hell for people like that! I miss her so much. Sh was an amazing person with the most peaceful mind anyone could possess. She helped anyone when they needed it and never asked for anything in return. Such a beautiful soul and I know she’s watching over me everyday.

    • Elizabeth says:

      Kim was the only person who showed me kindness when i was being bullied at LC and we became school buddies. I never forgot that.

  35. Theresa says:

    I am wondering how much it would cost to get the DNA testing done to close these cases.

    • doofy says:

      probably quite pricey so you know the state of iowa wont do it unless it is absolutely necessary. youre right though leaning towards DNA because i believe most of these cases could be closed if they would approach it that way

  36. Kim Giannetti says:

    I didn’t read anything about “Goose” or Therese Miller in this particular artical, where can I learn more about Ron Novak’s case? Please send me any link(s) with more details @ Please & Thank you ahead of time.

  37. Kim says:

    Travis Jamieson, the Monticello man who was arrested and acquitted at trial in Cathy-Jo’s murder, has recently passed away. I’m not finding a case page other than this one for Cathy-Jo on the ICC site (I may not be looking in the right spot), but I wanted to share that information. Here is a link to an older story about the case:…-a060756653

  38. Angel Devers says:

    My grandparents lived next-door to the Brûlé for years. I basically grew up with them. I never realized that it was not suicide until a few years ago. I hope and pray that whoever is responsible is caught and prosecuted.

  39. Kim says:

    Evidently the authorities charged Patrie with killing Kenneth Gallmeyer back in January of 2022. Did not see this on the news back then, but here’s a short piece about it from KCRG:

  40. Hannah says:

    Did anyone ever check with the friends family to confirm that they weren’t home?

  41. Amanda Harlan says:

    So the Murder for Lee Rotatori was solved just this February. Maybe Thomas Freeman also killed Linda?

  42. Andrew says:

    The guy looks like Harry Edward Greenwell who was just identified as the I-65 Killer/Days Inn Killer in Indiana he died in Iowa in 2013

    • Jody Ewing says:

      Andrew, yes, there’s definitely a very close resemblance to the third sketch from the Chickasaw County Sheriff sketch. I’ll be watching closing to see if answers are forthcoming in Rhonda’s case.

    • Cody says:

      But the I-65 killer had a specific M.O. that doesn’t appear to match this case, right?

  43. Kelly Severado says:

    Lisa was one of my best friends Jerri was my cousin. I lost a lot of people that year including my grandmother. We were teenagers we were kinda wild. Evidently she had a whole life I knew nothing of. The most we did when I was with her was drink cheap wine in a graveyard lol She was a good person and an even better friend! Definitely was murdered! Rest in heaven all of you and I think of you often I hope one day this all gets solved but unfortunately I doubt it 😭🙏🏼

  44. Katie Hopkins says:

    Her house was actually 705 3rd Ave, not 703. Census document from 1925 has house number listed as 705. So it is the red house right next to 703 3rd Ave.

  45. Steph says:

    Would like to talk about Bobby Crawford murder.

  46. Nanette Verrips says:

    Why would the father wait 3 days to report his daughter missing??
    She was not a Hooker, she wasn’t old enough to be anything but a child!! I wish someone would solve this case, but I bet the killers are dead! Still would be nice to understand, after all I wasn’t feeling to safe myself after lisa died! We were In school together. She was so shy, never saw her talk to anyone!!

  47. Pam says:

    Type of truck displayed in 1971?

  48. Christopher Rogers says:

    Hi you can contact me at 3152758084 and thank you

  49. Christine says:

    There is a tictok about Lindsay Buziak from British Columbia Canda with many similarities, down to thier hairstyle and blonde streaks and similar facial features, being described as vibrant, successful and cheerful, age, jobs, etc. There was a cell phone purchased and used only to call Lindsay once, registered to a man’s name, Paulo Rodriguez. But a blonde woman was with a man and Lindsay was found stabbed multiple times in the master bedroom of the home she was showing them, she also had no defensive wounds. I can’t help but wonder if they are connected. They have so many similarities in personality and physically that it seems like a serial killer. Just wanted to put this out there for investigators to check if there’s a connection. The tictok mentions Ashley Oakland’s case. 😟 my condolences to both families.

    • Cody says:

      They aren’t at all connected. Lindsay’s murder (most probable theory) had a personal motive involved which wouldn’t at all include Ms.Okland.

    • Jody Ewing says:

      Abby, that story was updated May 4, 2016 (two days after Jade Colvin went missing). She went missing again June 10, 2016, as reported by the Iowa Missing Person Information Clearinghouse and NamUs.

      • Patrick Kerrigan says:

        Jody, that was nice of her to runaway again. Maybe the authorities should have handed her a statement of the costs of searching for her. Plus, a booklet listing all the runaways who were murdered. Plus the unidentified bodies around the country.

        But, then she has more important stuff to do. But not at home.

  50. Summer says:

    Happy 20th my love! I hope so much you had a good one. Autumn and I think of you everyday and we need you.. No matter what . We will do anything to get you back in our life and keep you safe . No matter what it is, we will go thru anything and anyone to find you. You are our world .. we love you so much Jade. -summer </3

  51. Michelle Sidhu says:

    Is the evidence for this case still available? Anything that could be tested for dna, even after all this time? Although, from the articles with numerous photos, it looks like the crime scene was grand central station within a short time. Even that the evidence was flown out of state. No telling whose dna is mixed up with it now.

    The Quad City newspapers reported a blood covered hat was found. If it’s still around blood could be matched to the Bachers, maybe skin or hair from the person who wore it.

  52. Emily says:

    I am Literally watching AWP right now while I was looking through this list. Those guys are seriously AMAZING

  53. S. Davis says:

    “We encourage thoughtful discussion here but ask that comments remain civilized and constructive … i.e. without personal attacks or name-calling. Be respectful of others and remember that victims’ family members visit these pages, too.”

    Literally every comment on this page is a willful violation of your impotent policy. Maybe try harder? Or, even better idea, get rid of the comments altogether. There is absolutely nothing that anyone can, or should, contribute to these complex and difficult topics via an internet comment. All they engender are wild speculation, open prejudice, bitter resentment, and the further erosion of the already deeply scarred state of civil discourse among Americans.

  54. MikeD says:

    Considering all the foot traffic that park gets, especially during morel mushroom hunting season, I’m thinking he isn’t there otherwise someone would have found something. I too would be interested in his internet history. Ledges, especially the parking lot isn’t an uncommon place for people to meet up. In the early 2000s I was a student at Iowa State and my roommate went there alone one day to meet a girl he was talking to on the internet. He is an outdoors type so he didn’t think anything of it. It was a bad idea in retrospect because it’s rural and nobody really around that time of year.

    • MikeD says:

      After doing more research and hearing his dad on a podcast, it sounds like things were meth related. It’s really unfortunate that his dad made the mistake of touching, getting into the vehicle and driving it home.

  55. MikeD says:

    I remember hearing Erin’s stepmom say in a podcast that police wanted to search CP’s truck, but he had sold it not too long after Erin went missing. Shouldn’t there be a paper trail for that? At least a title transfer? I guess I want to rule out that the truck wasn’t just abandoned in a forrest or Cedar River etc.

  56. Dakota willson says:

    I’d start by looking for the description of these cars at junk yards.. they have some old cars piled up from years ago..

  57. X says:

    There are only 2 ways to get to the house. You have to know exactly where you are going. Back in the 70’s it was all farmers, and you could literally count on both hands the number of farmers who had land around Churchville for a few miles in any direction.
    In mid June, farmers should of been out in the fields. If you drive the route from the east or the south to their property, you see the road. You would notice a strange car, and definitely recognize a vehicle owned by anyone who lived around there. It was 1973, the DCI probably didn’t exactly canvas farmers. The other thing that’s never been brough up is where were the kids, and why. Janet was not the type to ever leave her children. Her family and church were the center of her life. Someone saw something strange, and has never come forward. There is no way a person could die as horribly as she did without someone seeing something, and the person responsible having some kind of connection to the family. It was not a random act. It had to have been planned, and whoever did it knew exactly what to do and when. I’m not a conspriacy nut, I don’t need a tin foil hat, Janet didn’t deserve to have someone take her life, and those kids never deserved the life they were stuck with after her death. Fifty years later, everyone who lived around there is dead, and sadly so is this case. As with all of these cold cases, someone got away with murder.

    • doofy says:

      I agree with you and as for the dozens of other cases like this someone had to see something but never spoke up and like you said they are gone and dead and got away with an awful crime

      • X says:

        Thank you.
        I’m pretty sure no one in that area even knows this ever happened,
        I’m not even sure if there are any of the original family descendants in the area anymore. To see a few people have commented over the years Is nice. I used to live around there, over the years one person came to mind, but is also long deceased. It’s pure speculation.
        Hopefully they are in a special section of Hell wether connected to this tragedy or not.

        • Helen Burk Clark says:

          I am a niece of Janet’s and was in high school at the time. Janet’s husband was my mom’s brother. We all believed as a family that he was the one responsible for her death. He was disowned from the family after her murder until the day he died. I remember the next day being told that she had committed suicide which was what Uncle Frank had told us!!!!!

    • Helen Burk Clark says:

      The day Janet died she had taken her children up the road to grandma’s house. She told grandma that Frank needed her to help in the field. She was found dead later that day.

  58. JimS says:

    His family lived in KS where he returned to. His younger brother died just a few years back, I knew him fairly well, they were generally good people. His dad just died three days ago. I have pictures of the incident as it took place here in Coffey County leading to his suicide. They have searched around here but I doubt he carried her here. If he did they were countless places to put her that would not have been on the property.

  59. Anne says:

    When was the gate put in place? The one the dive team had to drive around?? And why was one installed? Didn’t look like much back there that you need to gate it. Also, I think it is really odd that IF that is where the party Was then why hasn’t anybody from the party come forward?? I have been to plenty coal mine stripping cut parties in my day and nobody would have left like that and not be unnoticed no matter how loud the music was.

  60. MikeD says:

    I read the news that familial DNA just cleared this case. Thomas O. Freeman of West Frankfort, Illinois was the source of the suspect DNA. Not sure what the source of the DNA was. Thomas O. Freeman decomposing body was found in October of 1982 in Cobden, Illinois.

    • Kim says:

      Here’s a link to one of the stories about Freeman’s murder of Lee and his own subsequent murder as well:

      • Stay Strong! says:

        Very interesting read. I love this got solved.

        It’s pretty clear that authorities believe her husband, Nemke, killed the Freeman. The most likely scenario it seems to me is that Freeman foolishly talked about the crime and Nemke heard about it since he evidently lived in the area.

        That’s the only plausible scenario I can think of since the authorities were unable to come up with a suspect all those years and Nemke would have no other way of identifying Freeman.

        Interesting stuff!

        • Jim F says:

          That’s a far stretch based soley on a murder/rapist bragging about their crime. Hardly plausible. I am more inclined to believe he followed her from the truck stop area. That truck stop was very busy then and the area was not nearly as populated as it is now. The casinos were not there then. Being on the I-80 & I-29 corridor it attracted a lot of traffic and criminals.
          All these years and I couldn’t help but think it was connected to the Mayfield murder that happened a couple of months earlier.

          • Stay Strong! says:

            I either didn’t make myself very clear or you misunderstood my comments.

            I was referring to the fact that Nemke (her ex-husband) allegedly killed Freeman (the recently identified killer of his ex-wife Ratori). The article is pretty clear that law enforcement believes that Nemke killed Freeman and that they both lived in the same area in Southern IL. I don’t know how Nemke would have otherwise would have known Freeman did it unless he foolishly talked. Clearly Nemke wasn’t at the scene and LE didn’t know who killed him until just recently, long after Nemke passed and Freeman was killed.

            I don’t doubt the fact that Freeman, a trucker, and the fact that the hotel Ratori was killed and the truck stop were very close in proximity is likely linked.

            • Jim F says:

              I suppose what’s needed is confirmation that these three actually KNEW each other as opposed to being from the same area.

            • Patrick Kerrigan says:

              The husband was a person of interest in the murder of three women, at Starved Rock State Park in Illinois. He was arrested in a stolen car on the Northside of Chicago.

              Someone suggested that his connection to Illinois makes him a suspect. Well I live in Illinois, which makes me a suspect also. We can add all the residents and former residents of Illinois, as possible suspects.

              Also John Wayne Gacy was a resident of Illinois, makes him a suspect. But then I seem to remember that he worked in Iowa.

              I prefer that we come up with some links that shows thst the husband had previous contact or knew Freeman.

              To quote Sgt. Joe Friday, “just the facts”, and not assumptions.

              • Stay Strong! says:

                It’s speculation, not assumption; the former of which is in part what this message board is for – as long as it’s qualified as such. Heck, I’ve seen you make similar speculation often on this very board.

                As for the basis of said speculation, I suggest you read these specific quoted comments from LE Officer Weddum – the officer working the case…

                “I’m not a real big believer in coincidences,” Weddum told the Nonpareil, explaining that Rotatori’s husband, Nemke, who died in 2019, is considered a person of interest in Freeman’s murder.

                “With his known history of being in the area of where our suspect lived and where our suspect died, it raises suspicions of his involvement. That he possibly could’ve been involved,” Weddum said.

                Quite a stretch extending the specific, quoted, on-point comments from the LE officer above to you and Gacy’s residency.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      Cobden, Illinois is located in Union County, which is northeast of Cape Girardeau, Missouri. Not exactly close to Council Bluffs. Also West Frankfort. Illinois is in Williamson County, close to Interstate -57.

      I wonder how her husband would be able to identify him as the offender in a short period of time, when the police had no clue.

      The other question is Freeman connected to the murder of Linda Mayfield, F/B, in the Starlite Motel, also in Council Bluffs on April 9, 1982. She appears was stabbed multiple times in the face, chest and stomach.

      • Stay Strong! says:

        Yes, I wondered how her husband identified the killer too (see my posts above if you’re so inclined).

        Since Nemke spent a lot of time in Southern IL, I speculate that Freeman talked and Freeman heard about.

        Now that I think about it, a couple of other possibilities: 1) Freeman returned home with stab wound injuries, some people knew he was in the Council Bluffs area, people connected the dots, and that got around to Nemke. 2) Nemke hired Freeman and then killed him to silence him.

        • Anita Martin says:

          I also wonder whether it is possible that Freeman knew Nemke years ago when they were younger. Nemke was 39 when Lee was killed, if my math is correct. Freeman was 35. Could they have served time together in juvenile corrections? Could Freeman have had anything to do with the suspicious fire which killed the female juror (serving on the jury for Nemke’s murder trial in the 1960s) and the juror’s teenaged daughter when Nemke was in custody? In one of the articles I read, it said when Freeman was found dead, no one had reported him missing for at least 3 months. That raises other questions as well. My gut feeling is that yes, they knew each other.

  61. Phyllis McGowan says:

    Sweet heart I pray you get the answers you are looking for there’s Way to many lost.out there God be with you

  62. Pam Heintzleman says:

    Can’t they check dna through teeth Etc now?

    • Jenni says:

      They have to use a combination of DNA and genetic genealogy. The DNA gives them the genetic profile of the deceased individual. But they have to have something to compare that to. Yes, they could compare the DNA of the unidentified individual to that of Matthew’s family members. Otherwise, if they don’t have a potential match to compare to, they have to use genetic genealogy to trace the family of the deceased. Usually at best, they get a hit on a distant relative in a database of people whose DNA profiles have been voluntarily submitted.

  63. Alisia Myers says:

    28 years now still unsolved ,but we have a new cold case team in Des Moines Iowa , I hope and pray they open my mom’s case and re review it.

  64. Karmen Alvarez says:

    Rip tio Nelson u were and always will b in our hearts

  65. Rae Brady Elson says:

    I agree 🙄just wondered where is this Boy Scout camp , or Kiwanis cabins ? Exactly 🙄in toddville or Palo ?

  66. Anne Doll says:

    I wish the Dallas County Sheriff’s department would look into this “suspicious death”. There were witnesses there that need to be talked to. This was a murder!

  67. anon says:

    And now I see that former Des Moines register staff writer Frank Santiago passed away last year. So any institutional memory that he might have is long gone also.

  68. Sbbig ynohtna says:

    I must’ve struck a cord because I have a lot of people reacting negatively to what I said but I have one question for them I will I’m not going to stop preaching what I know because I know what I saw and you’re not gonna stop me from voicing what I saw unless you plan on killing me too like you did Eric and you know who you are and I know who you are too and I guess if you think I’m a danger to you then you’ll have to do something about it won’t you but let’s be real I wouldn’t be a danger to you only a danger to your freedom because of what I know so come and get me!

  69. Tony says:

    This was not an accident Eric was my friend and I know for a fact he was murdered, his father absolutely hated the fact that Eric thought he might be gay and he killed him for it when he found out about it this was all a really huge issue when does homicide happened and I was not surprised that Eric ended up dead he was always afraid of his father. I never thought his father was serious when he told Eric if you ever become gay or try to be gay I will kill you boy I thought he was just saying it I never realize how serious he was!

    The funny thing is the parents said they were at home that evening and that’s an out right lie because I heard the shotgun go off from my bedroom door I remember standing there with my back to my bedroom window in the doorway and I heard the loudest sound I’ve ever heard in my life. I turned around and looked out the window and I saw Eric‘s dad‘s truck and his moms car both in the driveway and a short time later Eric‘s dad came out of the house threw something in the garbage can got in his truck and left by this time Eric‘s mom had already left the house. I know he killed him!

  70. Sherry Sheets says:

    I am not sure how Lisa’s comments is helping this case? are you serious with your slander and lies? Stop telling lies for the truth cuz you definitely was not around the family or I would know you.

    • Mary Johnson says:

      I am John Thomas Jr Johnson daughter. My grandpa is John Thomas Johnson sr. I am trying to find all of my family. Please contact me at 4022496613

  71. doofy says:

    my thought is that if the officer thinks it will never be solved then give us a name and some more details of the crime if there is any.

  72. Mary e, oneill says:

    I’m the great
    Great granddaughter of James Nicoll and the same thought came to me Linda, maybe he was having an affair! M.O.

  73. Nicole Giles says:

    Father died in 2016

  74. Nicole Giles says:

    Are there more photos of Rodney John Olsen? Here it says he was out visiting someone but i found another site that said he went back to Britt to visit the son.

  75. Autumn M Ruddy says:

    Hi mom, it’s me again. Today is a very hard day for all of us. 25 years and still no answers… I still hope for the day we have some closure and justice.
    I talked with a news reporter today, in hopes to get things out there..
    I love you mom, to the moon and beyond…not a day goes by where I don’t think about you.
    Love always, Autumn ❤

  76. Maria says:

    I’m guessing the waterbed had bullet holes in it?

  77. Summer says:

    I think of you everyday. I love you forever, Im waiting for the day to hear your voice again. Autumn and my heart is broken for every second that goes by missing you. Love you always – Summer

  78. Constance Combs says:

    Have the police rocated and re-interviewed all of the people who were at the camp? Both leaders and former children attendees should be interviewed again. If children targetted him as a joke, they may not have desired the outcome and then didn’t want to admit it once he was in the river. Now someone might be more willing to tell if they were only an observer. Secondly I belueve that all family members of missing lived ones should take an Ancestry DNA and 23 and Me dna test and upload the results for free to Famiky Tree, My Heritage, abd especially Ged. If a body is ever located it can then be identified through the dna. If a person ran away or was kidnapped and they eventually grow up and do a dna test. they will find out who they are and locate relatives. Also save a stamped envelope or toothbrush of the lived one because soon these items will be able to be tested to match someone’s dna.

  79. David Oathout says:

    I’m the eldest son of Gene Oathout, who owned Oathout Funeral Home at the time of the 4/2/1962 fire. I’m surprised to find this arson in the “cold cases” file, as my clear memory is of a firebug who was apprehended after a string of arsons. He was accused of torching 3 churches in addition to the Funeral Home. I don’t know if he was convicted.

  80. Dave Doyle says:

    Has anything more been done here? Are people still local? I would be interested to dig into this and find out what happened to people after the event.

  81. Gwen Kubberness says:

    John Rude was electrician

  82. Gwen Kubberness says:

    In searching newspaper articles I notice a pattern of killings from 1970- 1974 this could very well be a serial killer in that area, I will need to look further before I am 100% sure.

  83. Gwen Kubberness says:

    His Social Security states he was living in Iowa when he retained his Social Security Number, I am still search for addresses and places her was after he returned from service.

    Name: Alexander Sauceda
    Social Security Number: 483-66-7724
    Birth Date: 17 Jul 1950
    Issue Year: 1966
    Issue State: Iowa
    Death Date: Oct 1973

  84. I found him in a article for a traffic fine he got for $10 in Colorado Springs Newspaper in 1971.

    Colorado Springs Gazette-Telegraph
    Colorado Springs, Colorado
    04 May 1971, Tue • Page 25

  85. Paul Andrew Anderson says:

    People need to watch the 20/20 episode January 29, 2022 with Bill Pruins 2 daughters about the Jodi Huisentruit case with Krystal and Scarlett and their setting the record straight saying there is no connection between their dad’s death and Jodi’s disappearance. They want to people to stop with the rumors they are hurtful to both of them. The police, both of them Krystal and Scarlett and the private investigator are saying their dad Bill Pruins was not murdered but was an accidental shooting and there was no indication of foul play but an accident! They want the rumors stopped period and let their dad rest in peace and whatever his legacy will be so I agree with them let this go their dad wasn’t murdered but an accident.

  86. Kim says:

    I don’t know if anyone watched the 20/20 episode about Jody Huisentruit’s case, but Billy’s case was discussed as well during the episode. There were rumors that his case was linked with Jodi’s, but according to the private investigator that Billy’s daughters hired, the shooting was accidental. According to the episode, Billy had been carrying the gun and somehow tripped and fell on it, causing it to discharge. If that’s true, then his case isn’t linked to Jodi’s disappearance and his death was a tragic accident. The 20/20 episode is entitled “Gone at Dawn” and just aired on 1/28/22.

  87. Paul says:

    Bill Pruins daughters did an interview with 20/20 and say there is no connection between his death and Jodi’s case and they wan the rumors to stop. His daughter’s, the Police, and private investigator all agree his death was an unfortunate accident and they want his legacy to be what it may be so again they want the rumors to stop.

  88. Fefe says:

    Have you guys got any updates or it’s still unsolved

  89. Gina Rowley says:

    I used to live in that apartment building, in her apartment. She didn’t live upstairs, it was the downstairs apartment she lived in. My landlord told me that, that’s how I know that .

  90. Anon says:

    The Dubuque PD knows that Arnsdorf is dead. The brothers she was seen with had their car compacted at a friend’s junkyard in central IL a few days after her disappearance, police couldn’t get a warrant. She’s in the trunk of that car.

  91. John Platter says:

    Hi Kelli and those who new Judy,

    I was a 6th grade student at Madison Elementary where Judy volunteered as sort of a playground director. A classmate Robert Graves used to walk to school with Judy at times and as i recall he broke the news that something was up the Monday after her murder.

    Judy was beloved by all of us but especially the rowdy mischievous bunch, which I was part of. They played Bridge Over Troubled Waters at the funeral at St. Paul Lutheran. I was sitting in maybe the 3rd row slightly behind and to the left of my good friend Leroy Williams in the row in front of me.

    Leroy had a scar beneath his left eye and I remember vividly the tears streaming from his eyes as a kind middle aged woman offered him a tissue.

    When my kids were young we were driving back from a ski vacation in California when Bridge came on the radio. I had to explain to my wife and 2 sons why I was balling as I always do when I hear that song.

    I check up on Judy’s case from time to time hoping that you and the rest of her family, and the many, like me who’s life she touched can find closure. She was a fun and wonderful person and we are all lucky to have known her.

    Please pass on my prayers and condolences to her family and friends.

    Best wishes,
    John Platter

  92. Tri State Girl says:

    I know this answer might be lost in time, but does anyone know if David Morris was related to the Tommy Morris who was killed in 1972? It would be crazy if they were brothers or something.

  93. karen jean tanner says:

    This guy looks like a man that stalked me in 1974, he followed me to Mason City, Iowa and forced me to go to OKC and then to Danville, Virginia. The perp used the name, James B. Sizemore of Moore, Oklahoma. Could be they switched identities or something because the Danville PD claims they have no record of the incident although I was at the PD and escorted out of Virginia by an undercover agent. The couple who told me to go to Iowa were a white man with one leg and a black female. They had to have notified the perp because he found out I was there. There are stories of criminals switching identities.

  94. karen jean tanner says:

    I’m noticing so many disappearances in Iowa of disabled people from even the 1970s, unbelievable, seems like the State or some agency may be involved with so many of them. I also find it unusual that the more recent missing persons have no photo, most everyone has photos nowadays with cellphones and facebook, seems suspicious they have no photos, more like deliberate.

  95. Tom Pohlmeier says:

    I don’t think Owen did that. I never heard of back door bill, she never mentioned him.I hope the truth comes out before I die.

  96. Loretta Haslup says:

    Does anyone have a picture of this dude Curtis Padgett

  97. Schelly (Doss) Koch says:

    Could this be Kimberly sue Doss? She came up missing in 1980 not 1982.

  98. Tony Gunnz says:

    Dashawn Smith who killed him? I want to know for I can do my job as the Equalizer

  99. bluelights says:

    There is only one male in the doe network that fits the timeline of this one, and they lived about 90 minutes away at the time and on the date, but the physical statistics are too far apart. I’m guessing that since the clothes could be described, the body wasn’t burned far enough to reduce it this much. Looks like the one was found on the morning the other went missing, so, mech, that doesn’t match up either unfortunatly.

  100. bluelights says:

    Probably too many months between this woman from the doe project going missing and this woman being found, but i wonder if anyone looked to see if the two were related, since this woman was pregnant and the other lady had two kids by a guy who dumped them off with their grandparents and never saw them again after his wife went missing. Fort Campbell, Christian County, Kentucky is directly south of clinton county iowa where the body was found. I wonder if anyone ever tried to compare the two and see if it might have been her.

  101. Tonya Lafarr says:

    I don’t know if anyone has heard or not but Diane’s sister Twyla passed away. My thoughts and prayers are with them both.

    • Jody Ewing says:

      Tonya, thank you so much for letting us know about Twyla’s passing. She so diligently pressed for justice in her sister’s case, and she will be greatly missed. My heartfelt condolences to the family. Jody @ ICC

  102. Joseph W Teske says:

    Madonna robbins was dating Terry brian was her ex he was meeting her at walkers …

  103. Joseph W Teske says:

    Brian rose….hance and Joseph robbins sr killers…..joseph jr tainted car

  104. Katie says:

    I always thought this case was fishies!! I didn’t know Kim but I know the the boys.
    As for the house fire the fire chief and the investigator should of found the cause of the fire because I know when we had our house fire they found the cause of the fire !!

  105. Constance Combs says:

    So surely law enforcement has asked for cell phone pings at the Lake when the girls were there and then tracked those pings to actual owners of those cell phones. Then did they also look to see if any of those cell phones also ping in the 7 Bridges area between tge time tge girls were mussed and the time the bidies were found. Secondly, there are commercial satelites that periodically cover the area where the girl’s bodies were discovered. If the lication where the bodies were discovered, couldn’t law enforcement pinpoint when the bodies first appeared in that location. Then couldn’t cameras on private property identify vehicles en route to the seven bridges area pror to the time the bodies appeared?

    • Sean Weston says:

      very good questions.I believe that the site where they were found was a known meth lab dump site.In the heart of the park.definitely someone local!!!

  106. Jim Farrell says:

    Malinger says: “It was unfair to accuse just the Clinton Police,” he said. “We weren’t the only investigating authorities.” But you WERE the first ones called, the first ones on the scene, and the first ones to investigate. You went through the trouble to find the car, check the registration, check the doors but you couldn’t make ONE PHONE CALL to this business? I wouldn’t think twice about calling anyone on my street if I saw their car running that long. A business would practically expect it.
    Sorry if this sounds mean spirited but this show up and do the minimum type of response is inexcusable. And nothing has changed from what I can see.
    I respect the police and pay good money for their services. But don’t EVER expect blind allegiance to them, or anyone, from me.

  107. doofy says:

    he is probably in Mexico

  108. Harding alum says:

    I was in the same Harding Middle School gym class that Adam S. described and remember Curtis Padgett’s 20+ minute mile. He laid down near some bushes along Collins Road near the northeastern-most softball/baseball diamond while all the rest of the students were closer to the school waiting for Curtis to finish his mile “run”. It’s like he didn’t even want to try. I remember thinking he could have just slowly walked the mile in a faster time than what he ended up getting.

    I also remember his occasional sudden angry outbursts if someone tried messing around with him. Some students definitely tried to provoke a response from him on purpose just because the response was often so outrageous.

    I think he only made it through 1 year at Kennedy High School before dropping out or going to Metro Alternative High School. His freshman picture in the 1995-1996 Kennedy yearbook is the same as the one on this webpage and there were no other pictures of him in future yearbooks.

    I’d guess Curtis’ home life growing up couldn’t have been very good, seeing the way he turned out.

    I’m surprised any girl would have ever been remotely associated with him, unless one were to use him to buy cigarettes or to get a ride somewhere. Even then, you’d think they’d find someone other than Curtis.

  109. h says:

    There is a guy online that looks so much like Eugene’s age transgression photo. His name is Troy Lund and he happens to be an actor/director, etc. He has the same eyes and facial features. There is not much info on his past. Could this be Eugene?

    • Tri State Girl says:

      No. Johnny, Eugene, and Marc were probably abducted and killed by either someone from the Des Moines Register, one of the men from the Des Moines pedophile ring that was busted in the 80’s, or another local pedophile who was never caught. I’m not from the area at all, but the case has pulled at my heartstrings. It’s unfortunate that obvious suspects were allowed near children. I don’t like when people push ideas that honestly don’t make any sense. Johnny’s case has had the worst of it, but the other two cases suffered as well. Not to mention the attempted abductions from 1986 to 1989. Someone local clearly took the kids.

    • Denielle Kelly says:

      Absolutely it could be him.

  110. Stay Strong! says:

    Brian’s father, Arnie, recently passed away.

    I trust he’s reunited with his son Brian now in heaven.

    • Jody Ewing says:

      Thank you for sharing the info about Brian’s father. I’ve since added it to Brian’s page, and am glad his father lived long enough to see his son’s case closed. Have a Happy New Year!

      • Stay Strong! says:

        You’re welcome Jody. I’m happy to help in some small measure.

        I enjoy this site. Keep up the good an important work!

  111. Stay Strong! says:

    Brian’s father, Arnie, recently passed away.

    I trust he is reunited with Brian

  112. kaelyn says:

    i most deff think that this is the weirdest crimes iv heard it kinda makes no sense to me,what did he have agianst them? what was his motive where would he have hid if you can hear every tiny thing like a sneeze it blows my mind the things people do to others

  113. LakeLife says:

    DNA can still be collected but they would need to exhume the body.
    Praying for the truth to come out!

  114. Jen says:

    Another alias to add: Junior Giovanni Pol
    Beware, this site has actual child porn pictures on it. Someone should report this one and get it taken down:

  115. Debbie says:

    Dear sweet Aunt Martha, my Mom (Elaine) is with you (and my Grandpa Arnold) in heaven now :( I was just a girl when this robbery/assault happened. We are from the Chicago area. My Mom, Aunt Jackie, Aunt Bonnie, Uncle Lou and Grandma Helen were devastated by the news of Martha’s murder! I pray the offender has somehow served justice and has remorse. I see a comment by Karen. I’m wondering how we are related?

  116. Muscatine County History Enthusiast says:

    I believe that Annette Cahill was wrongly convicted and that Robert Morrison commited the Cory Weineke murder.

  117. Anna says:

    Maybe Kayla should think about the person she’s trying to defend. The reason he is a registered sex offender is because he sent inappropriate pictures to her underage sister “on accident”! I’ve known him since we were kids and he admitted to me that was why he has to register.

  118. Sam Kime says:

    The comment about it being over drugs is ridiculous…that is not what happened at all I personally think the Fayette Co police are lazy and flat out don’t want to ever deal with anything because when first reported they wanted to write it off as a vehicle incident…but not until backlash did they go oh well ok and point out allll the obvious staging it was 100% wade lenth and it was over wades still girlfriend and im sure she knows about it as well i have not lived in the area since I was little but all my family lives there and I know alot of people …did they check laynes phone?? Maybe look at the texts he was sent from wade saying things like how he’s going to kill him for talking to his girl and crap like that or how about laynes roommate (and maybe this is hear say) but wasn’t it his roommates pickup that layne was found in….wasn’t the crime scene in the house poorly cleaned up by someone who probably had access to the house?? Wasn’t his roommate good friends with wade? The crime is practically solving itself but….wade walks free smiling in his Facebook pictures…meanwhile laynes family still has to suffer.. seems fair huh?

  119. Blaster28 says:

    Has anyone thought maybe the suspect got entertainment from strangling people?? I’ve been reading another case, Sandra Dee “Sandy” Kinney was also strangled and thrown in the river. She was also found nude.. maybe this killer, Jerry Lee Huff, had a sexual desire’s before strangling and dumping the bodies into the river. He cannot be tried for the murder of Sandra Dee Kinney but maybe we can get him for the killing of Roger Warren. Also sounds like Jerry is still living in the Davenport area. Both murders happened in the downtown area of Davenport.

  120. AnitaJohnson says:

    Leon Sr.
    Yes, I noticed these two babies. The towel on the first baby had two tea towels, one with numerals “49” on a corner. Could that towel be trom a hospital? Hotel/bar/tea room/restaurant? I think that ordinary people like us are giving hope to cold cases.
    Could the towel be from a??? What do you think?

  121. Karen Reno (Baldwin) says:

    I was a classmate of Guys. I remember talking to my mom after his disappearance. I remember missing him from my class the rest of the school year.

    • SD says:

      This Harry Lyle Meader III has a criminal history a mile long. His outstanding fines and court costs are well into the 6 figure range. Looking at public records it looks like he was out of jail at the time Josh was last see, although he did have a failure to appear warrant set on October 15th of that year. He wasn’t taken into custody on November 22nd in Benton County. If I’m reading the records correctly there was certainly a window of time where he could have been involved. Both this man and Joshua Wellman have meth related convictions. Interesting stuff.

      • Jet Drie says:

        Harry might be a criminal but a killer he is not! He doesn’t even like to fight! His extensive criminal history is non violent mostly drug charges an eluding law enforcement! Why don’t people understand the effects of serious accusations such as these. Calling someone a murderer is something you’d better have a lot of evidence to support otherwise you throw the police into their life for no reason at all! Sharing misinformation is just as bad as being the person doing the original misinforming if not worse! Your minimal theory as to his involvement includes….oh well he was out of jail during that time is pure BS using that theory anyone who came up missing or dead during those couple months was Harry’s fault!? C’mon now that is just asinine! On a serious note … condolences to his family for having to live with constant belief he is probably deceased. I prefer to believe he’s just fine an had to go cause he was adamant about not going back to prison!!! Good luck I hope y’all get the closure your seeking!

        • SD says:

          Jet Drie, since you are replying to me, let me take a moment to correct you. I didn’t call anyone a murderer, I only did the research to see he has an extensive criminal history and was free during the time Josh went missing. I came at this from the opinion that you are innocent until proven guilty. I am looking for every reason to rule him out as a person of interest. Saying he was out at the time doesn’t mean he is guilty, it just means that he isn’t necessarily in a position to be cleared. He ran from a custody/treatment program that Linn County had him in recently so as of the moment of this comment he currently has a warrant for his arrest and is on the run from authorities. He is only making the future worse for himself regardless of this case.

    • Cody says:

      Sheriff Howe said he is now more optimistic. Is that because they just now obtained the phone? It seems there are two mysteries involving this case. 1, the murder, & 2, the investigation! We are definitely in the dark here. I understand why, but it just seems like they are being extra extra vague with evidence and details. How was this story leaked, & what prompted it? The phone? We still don’t know when they “found” the phone. I sure hope the FBI and/or NSA are working on that phone. Seems to me that a likely scenario was that whatever these people were doing in that car, Alicia wasn’t supposed to see (possible rape?) & poor Alicia was killed for it. Purse found with cash still in it tells me they were in a big hurry, & that timeline sure is narrow! I’ve never seen these snap chat photos. Such a peaceful looking day yet such a dark cloud of evilness…

    • Cody says:

      Something else seems troubling. There was a 15 minute window between the time she sent her last text, and her body being discovered? Seems to me that the Game Fish & Parks officer would have had to see the vehicle in question! Wasn’t there just the one road leading to and from Myron Grove? Seems like he had to see something.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      I am glad they admitted to having the cellphone. I am frustrated with the various little tidbits they have not released. We have to many cold cases with agencies holding back little details to supposedly protect the investigation. This includes cause of death, weapon used, caliber of firearms used, etc. We have too many cold cases that have not been solved for over 20, 30, 40 years. Yet, the agencies are still holding back these basic details, that might have jogged someone memories.

      Alicia was murdered 6 years ago. Yet, we know that she purchased a fishing license at a Walmart. Also, that a couple was making whoopee in a car. So, no one else was at the fishing spot. Yet, she was murdered within 15 minutes of her sending her last text. Now, we hear that they have her cellphone. They won’t tell us if they had it since day one or just found it.

      Maybe, someone overheard where she was going fishing at the Walmart, and followed her there.

      In Chicago, Illinois in 1972, we had two teenage girls murdered. They were shot in the head with a .32 caliber firearm, and they were posed with their legs in a shape of the letter V, in Washington Park. The park is located on the south east side of Chicago. There was no sexual assault of the victims.

      Their murder is a cold case. An individual claims that their murder may have been ordered by Chicago Mob figures from the Bridgeport Section of Chicago. It appears the older girl (17), worked at a waitress at a restaurant connected to a motel for truckers on the Southwest side of Chicago.

      The motel was operated by Chicago Mob connected individuals. Supposedly senior mob guys hung out there and the older girl may have overheard something she should not have heard. The senior leadership of the Chicago Mob, should have educated them about keeping their mouth shut.

      However, we have all those details from a 1972 murder. Plus where they were last seen. We even know the older girl attended Gage Park High School, until she dropped out of school.

      Also, just for general information a Frederick R. Burke, aka “Killer Burke”, who was part of the Rat Pack out of St. Louis, Missouri. He also was involved in the St. Valentine Massacre in Chicago.. He was captured based on suspicions by a civilian, who was into True Crime. He even wrote to the Justice Department in Washington, for a description of Killer Burke.

      Killer Burke was taken into custody, and transferred back to St. Joseph, Michigan, where he faced charges for the murder of a policeman.

  122. MikeD says:

    Anyone who takes an advanced interest in this cold case eventually comes to realize that one of the loudest voices has a history of spreading disinformation and fabricated stories in an attempt to keep Johnny’s name out there. If you publicly discuss the case in any form of media, and don’t follow this person’s narrative, they will attempt to discredit you. It has to be exhausting maintain their narrative, and I wish this person would clear the air. It’s probably the best thing they could do for the cold case at this point.

    • John W says:

      This is confusing and disturbing at the same time. I wish the known evidence and facts were the focus on this “documentary” and not the conspiracy theories. Do not get me wrong, I believe in some conspiracies and I think like everything else; there is a time and a place for such but not here.

      The photos that were left at Noreen’s door in 2006 look to be Johnny and some other boys, just by looking at the photos they appear to have been taken not too long after he was abducted.
      I am not sure what to make of him “visiting her in 1997”, that does not make any sense. We do not know if he is even alive after all these years and if he is alive, where is he?

    • Tom J. says:

      Mike, why don’t you just man up and say what you really think. Rather, you are just an annoying troll adding nothing to this conversation. Please just go away.

  123. LakeLife says:

    Praying this man gets justice!
    What a beautiful soul & it breaks my heart that he was killed let along so young & then just left there to die!!

  124. Russ Heiser says:


    Listen To Vanushed Episode 283 Harry Milligan(By the way Very Well done)

    “thar day” you mentuined

    Vickie(mom) Hot ob the Trail by 730 pm LE Stopd ny Missing REPORT

    Initially Indicates Lenard and Vickir Home unless had Left and Returned

    ok Plausiable leaning more towards not Probable

    Riual Farm AREA Quiet(Very) hear Cricket Chitp Block away.

    You outsude? Saw heard Harrys Car Driven across Street to Shed?

    1984 Vickie and Lenard imagine 30s to 40s? No mention Deaf mutes

    2 to 3 guys did something Harry, No NOISE.

    Heard LOT Names ie last known Harry with Jeff and Doug.

    Never HEARD ANYWHERE POCAST any DAVIS Mentuined? Person Interest or OTHERWISE.

    Jim you have Audiance. me Included. (Reaches for POPCORN per say

    Reported weather FOG. I dont know how THICK.

    I’m Interested who “jim” is now?

    You Blame me? You told me(audiance).

    Note” Last FARM gig Security I did SO Dark. so DARK placed Light senors motion Dwtecrors know if something MOVED and what. Had 12 gauge on my shoullder.

    cone on jim
    37 years?

    recall saying s*** or get OFF thr Pot(maybe both types) 37 years?

    listen Vanished

    Tho now Im Interedted hearing from Jeff and Doig Disscussion basis or simple what happened rgeir version “thar day”


    • Russ Heiser says:


      :Power, drtunk or Dugged induced.

      Don’t wanna wake Up Next Day. Gal or Guy Friend like Harry his “Buddies” and ASK “Did we have Nuce Time”?

      Harry apparently did not at point to Missing.

      • Jim says:

        Here is my Theory to that all three of them were inside the trailer harry was thought to be sleeping for what they may have thought passed out drunk but harry didn’t drink as much as they thought and tryed to take his winnings while he was sleeping but harry woke up and harry got into it with them made to the front porch the porch faced tords the field away from the road only possibilites up to the point moving forward

        • Russ Heiser says:


          recommend VideomAbott and Costello “whos on Firsr”

          Tho Cute, himrtous. Not thid CASE to some. I am NOT Monotised and dont NEED to Draw Large Audiance to You.

          My Offer 3 days 2 Nights, meals, LE or Mark Milligan in “Safe” Enviroment,

          Ypi can Purchase Cheap Throw Away Phone $20 WalMart, Walgreens ect

          I Would NEED substancial Answers First, as LE or Mark Milligan.

          “SAFE ENVIROMENT “ALL Concerned.

          I do NOT wanna Play “Whos on First”

          Consider ONCE at Fla 7 Elven going in.

          Street Guy got $5 for Bus fair?

          Both walkrf out same Time,

          Street guy Bottle Wine, Me less $5 Bicks for the purpose.

          Like Trailer? Have to REVIEW, thought you mentioned Hattys House.

          REVIWED You dsid Harrys Property.

          My understanding Milligans haf HOUSE.Lived with Vickie and Leonard.

          Wont write OFF Utailrt on Property. Till Researched



          • Russ Heiser says:


            Matk as Town Albia and Avery want HRRY and maybe VEHICLE RCOVERED.

            37 years? Come on Jim.

            Iv Put Out to ANY Mine Shaft Explores Interested wanna Drop Cameras or repel contact info Monroe County
            already posted.

            Text into Mr Beast possiable Funding. Already has Millions in Donations.
            Sometimes may take interest.
            Liked Jimmys last VideoLast take Hand OFF LAMBO keeps it.
            Jimmy I mentioned 1sr Put Hands on 21977 Pontac may be Cool Challenge.

            Endining to Half Century(close) Cold CASE

            Batter Up? [er say


        • Russ Heiser says:


          Will Continue Interest in CHAT as long as can VERIFY as we go.

          I this Point you said Harrys Property. I dont Know if TRAILER pn PROPERTY 1984

          YOU indicated SO. HARRYS Property you said.

          Facing away from Street.

          REFRESHING Uou said in THEORY what YOU Did not SEE.

          However mentionrf YOU did SEE car Driven to SHED across Street and 2 to 3 GUYS(no names) Did SOMETHING to HARRY.

          Oh excuse ME you did MENTION Ricjhard Davis.

          Very limited Cell Phones 1984 tho I had Bulky pne
          Were YOU at Albia know someone Used Pay Phone?

          Richard waiting Trailer? Brings mote Questions. SEE

          Understand Richard IOWA Prison IF hasnt PASSED. Maybe Charles(?) pther brother knows.

          IF YOU wanna Fill in Blanks go ahead.Would recommend make Contact Mark Milligan as he requested.

          I will listen to POINT

          Answer PREVIOUS make Lomg STORY Short

          Keep ME INTERESTED

          DO YOU KNOW or SEE what happened HARRY or WHERE he is?

          Then Fill in the Blanks.

          Go fot it,

    • Russ Heiser says:

      Avery and Albia. ANYONE care to Provide VISUAL “Mikkigan” Property and House 1984?

  125. Russ Heiser says:


    Today I’m finding, a Turkey Plate~ Shouldnt be to difficult lol

    My Mind races in Wonder place like Albia or Avery this time year.

    Snow, XMas Lights, Enjoyment Holiday Season.

    Ok Cities do also. One my Favoritr Xnas Trees about 12″ tall delivered,

    Sleds, horses and walking about, tho extra Eye passing Drug Stores or Large Dept Stores, Albia imagine few small stores.

    Ill be Lurking Background. Info Checkrd OUT you Threw ln Revelent

    Harry Made it Home(checks out, seperated from car9do not know how long)

    Any 3 Giys Mentioned Harrys House Disappear few days recalled revelent.

    Imagine cute quaint Resrarauint Albia, Enjoy

    Might catch you later

    You mention them and I(you) imagine said what wanted

    see anything INTEREST May pop IN now and then

    gone for now

  126. Russ Heiser says:

    Leathal Weapon Christmas Opening Scene (1987)

    Gret Start,, kinda Bummed me Out, The Drug Scene Drug Induced

  127. Russ Heiser says:


    Jibgle Bell Rock

    Non Repeting

    Once is Fine(maybe twice)

  128. Russ Heiser says:


    Not Playing Patty Cakes

    other things to do.

    Romper Room came to Mind. Lady with Spy Glass. “I See” “I See Jim, I See Richarf,, I SEE Harry ect.


    thanks for initial reply

    Factual” Harry moves into Avery out of Albia per say.

    YOU Obvious have REASON Needing to REVEAL 37 years Later.

    Right Now actuall Wanna find some Turkey, and NONE repetitive version Jingle Bells

    • Jim says:

      Sometimes you just want to forget and then one day a drunk old man desides to run off and make comments about the situation people would not believe how dangerous one person may be but if you would go as far as your own brother says a lot just saying

      • Russ Heiser says:


        Mentioned Me Former Military Police Jnvestigator Plain Clothes
        . Arrive. Intial Interview. No Indication Drugs.
        Wgat happened to Mother? Spoke well not errational
        No drugs, no beating, calm woman ecr ect

        Turned case Over to CID complete

  129. Russ Heiser says:

    Mark Milligan

    OBVIOUS LE will Vet(quaify or discard)

    “jim” siaid that day” Me lot more Questions

    Matter Discussion ONLY

    Seems refering to

    Sunrise 543am. July 1sr `1984 “that day”

    Didnt check Visibility, ie tain, fog distance Sighting or hearing factors, sure Avery and Albia on it.

    or Jim still peekin in?

    Obvious ypur leisure care to.

    Color Shed
    Metal or wood
    Big enough Car?
    barn doors or open ended
    How far sighted, clos
    neighbors recall
    close enoigh hear
    rain. fog rhat day?
    Trees 1984 impair sight, bushes ect
    colot clothes All contrasting car, maybe Harry Stoog OUT
    Obvious Who Drove Car across Street
    1984 Description Housings, Scenery ect for Visual
    Cell Phone? I started using 83 – 84
    Dusturbance wake you or headed out

    Iowa NEXT Chapter us Yours.

    Other Issues for me tho will Look IN now then


  130. Charles Barber says:

    If you went to Tech High between 1983-85, and you never heard about Penny Watson death then you most of not been in school. There is NO WAY you could have missed her death in school.

  131. Russ Heiser says:

    Mark Milligan


    Recall Harry `1sr Reported Missing Hoq Handled 1984

    Yoir FORMWR LE.

    Plenty of Qualified LE to Resolve Incliding NONE LE can RESOLVE.

  132. Russ Heiser says:

    Mark Milligan

    Saw News HAVE Harrys DNA obtained. Would ask LE Examine Helmet. Confirm,
    according to where stored.

    If Matches Sourse, Not Criminal Case but should be BEYOND Reasonable DOUBT.

    This “Point” have what belived Harrys DNA from “sourse”? Sibblong or Bio Parent?

    Thats THEIR DNA believed part HARRY.

    Harrys DNA is Harrys and ONLY when TAKEN from Harry and match, maybe personal items Secured or Stoted.

    May have something USED with Harrys DNA Im NOT Privy to.


    Not Red Herring, a Fact.

    Then “Harrys ” DNA matched to Sourse for comparrison Match.

    If LE did HOMEWORK Cool.

    Reason MENTIONED Helmet.

    Which LOTTA People may Tried On thru years Inless Stored.

    Not just Courthoise Paperwork for bio mother . Tho accepted by LE as bio Mother or Sibling.

    Point “if yuo HAVE Harrys DNA from Persobal ITEMSa snd Matched with RECORDED BIO Mother, You have Part Harry and a BIO Mother. FACT

    RECALL Dragnet? Only the FACTS Mam during questioning?

    All with a REASONING ONLY Why Jphn or Jane Doe NO DNA DATA Bases NO MATCH,

    Babies Bought Sold, given away r, kidnapped from Hospital, financial reasons ect

    RUNNING DNA from accepted SOURSE why John or JAne Doe still Mystery. to % pSTILL some Missing.

    Take to Next Level Unless Satisfied and USED Harrys DNA for for search


    Harrys DNA ran or Recorded Bio Sibling or Parebt Data Base?

    Mark would ASK LE “Harrys DNA or Outside Sourse recorded as Part of Harry?

  133. Russ Heiser says:

    Mark Milligan

    Facebook was Public gander Overer for Info. I do not Facebook so locked OUT has changes. Ok

    DNA seems like your Dad did All Legal for adoption ‘ so Bio Parents KNOWN,

    If Not KNOWN ? Nice PHOTO “Harry” with Marine Helmet if you Kept Gear, My Army Helmet liked to keep few Hairs and LOT sweat ect. Stick in Closet>?

  134. Russ Heiser says:


    Suppose if yoir in Toich LE may not want Info Divulged LE reasoning

    however Mark Milligans whole Senerio Changes at END if VERIFIED dates and times

    Ibstead Harry riding off to Sunrise, NOw Trouble House believed Headed to?

    come on Jim?

    At least date” Shouldnt be Issue with LE

    New Chapter or not?

    Ill reapect LE asked. ypu only said “them and I” keep beyween

  135. Russ Heiser says:


    Mentioned 2 to3 men fid”something to Harry?

    Van at LEAST say DATE Harry went Missing?


    Someone may wanna do Reasonable Metal Detecror Search Dog Tags or Glasses ect if Tossed could still be around.

    I posted time Sun Rose Harrys Day. Can mention if Harrys Date early Morning?

    Ill stay away to many questions

  136. Russ Heiser says:

    Suggestion Only

    Move Up Few Years

    Harry may assumed Unwanted NEW NAME “John Doe”

    Would Conder if HAVEN’T

    LE or Mark would Understand You know or Located Biological Parents for Harrys DNA to bust OUT the Data Bases? John Does Found ect

  137. Russ Heiser says:

    Ember to Fire Up ir out OUT

    Anypne ASK FBI or Matines CID to Run Harrys Prints SEE Any Activity, on FILE

    Marines should or at Least Maybe have on File. Even change name Lot Jpbs require Prinra

  138. Russ Heiser says:

    Important Side Note

    Notice Harry with Big Glasses?

    Latenr Prints research Indicate have been Raised (llifted) ip to 40 Years. Research Indicates No Scientific Evidence How Long will last.

    Tho Avery or Albia May wind up with the Answer..

    Harry was Young Marine. As “Jim” Mentioned 2 to 3 Giys on “point to subdue no Knife Gun. Would probally Knock off Harry Struggle. Example ONLY Jim only said “Did something” with Harry.

    Both Towns Probally Full tems sitting atound 60 to 80 years

    Wonder LE Interest on Fingerprint training? Might be Fun find some Old Furnitire

    If was Atruggle can determine may picked up glassea TOSSED 20 30 yards or into Car.

    Avery and Albia Hot on TRAIL per say Handle with care. Even Locate car CONSIDER Fragile to this day.

  139. Cody says:

    One would think that considering all of the available resources to state & federal agencies they could figure this out. All of the Spyware & surveillance technology they use for other things could be used in these unsolved MURDER CASES.

  140. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice for this man!
    Everyone describes him as sweet & it breaks my heart to think that such a kind soul was taken like this!

  141. Phillip says:

    Ethan was on mushrooms at the party that night.

  142. Russ Heiser says:

    self orrected

    Marines Semper fi

    Army? (me) More like “Get it Done)

  143. Russ Heiser says:



  144. Russ Heiser says:


    Cool. Thanks Return Post Reply. Me? Former PI Manager Miami New Orleans and DC

    Independent Operator NOT for HIRE tho what involved with since 70s
    l do not “hang shingle” in buisness per say

    personal interest? To Long . Lots embers ect Put um out or Fire them Up

    Like reading Nancy Drew Mystery cept has LIVE Brother Waiting.

    Harrys case caught my attention. Anything Important? May be willing Meet and apay Expenses, room, travel, meals. Short Window tho but will pass oN as needed.

    Never in News, except NO Name Case resolved; Nor No Intention

    YOU? Most Direct to issue. pointed, no BS. Somewhat REFRESHING. I will be Shadow bpxing in Background per say”

    my Interest Resolved Not Headlines Except “Harrys been Found like to SEE

    Army to Marine this case “Simpi fi”


  145. Russ Heiser says:

    Mark Milligan

    Jim BEST Clue ir Person lnterest Iv SEEN Comment Yet “jim”

    Factual Obvious Revelent. They Did Something to Harry? Jim said

    Time Date Large Factor for Fpllpw UP ie Hatty Missing Date ect

    Car Driven Off?

    Even IF Red Herring Revelrnt

    Jim Why TOSS in 37 Years Later on Missing Person is Question?

    Small Roewn Albia got some Interesting Cases

    • Jim says:

      Russ I would love to answer each and every question you have but at this time I can’t irs not that I don’t have an answer but the people that need the information at this time needs to only stay between them and me however there are a few things I can point I grew up around the Davis family most of my life and the question about gary Richard and jb gary did not want any part of Richard and JBs doings Gary did not use his practice in any way to benefit the other two

      • Russ Heiser says:

        Russ looks into Cyber Space. Knock knock, Jim you in their?
        Not like Zach 2 Words gone. Figure Supernowl NEWS Chasing
        Never heard reporter tell someone “Shit Up” Scratches Head

        Lil Off Subject

        Hey Zach srill around? May SEE Superbowl. Told Ford Think Once Look Twice “Futurlitically. Optimized. . Reliably, Driven, FORD

        Excuse me Harry. Sjort Pause for the CAUSE

  146. Russ Heiser says:


    Mentioned 2 Eaglea Fighting Earlier 2 Birds of Feather Flock Together earlier Posting

    37 yeares later Saw Harry argue, 2 men, “the car Driven OFF?

    Red Hetting keeps popping up to me.

    A Davis, maybe Brother who Murfered Brother their. I don’t know if same Davis Btothers

    This is getting endless


    Raises eyebrow.

    Lets Talk. Ill buy if using factual bassed internet address

  147. Russ Heiser says:



    the day observed Harry argue and Car “The Car” Driven ACTOSS stteet, Was SAME Date Harry went Missing with :The Car:?.
    Jim Im an IO. Anything IMPORTANT to say? Ill buy YOU Ticket Weekend Dinner meet YOU, Know few LE mighr have Interesr, or arrange meet with LE,

    Not doing Much today my end.

    The Poker Room Ill throw in $100 biuy i
    chew the the Steak.(Fat per say) ight Ruffle FEW FEATHERS

  148. Russ Heiser says:


    Is Richard Davis same wo killed Dtr Brother 2011 Driveway?.

    ome on Jim.

    Could Google address wpould prefer 1984 Visual on recall.
    Why would someone Drive Car across Street? Bacck dirt road exit another roadway behinnd a Jouse?

    If Davis Brother Connection Id Check who RECEIVING Presctiption Drugs. Then and NOW.
    1984 Prescription Drugs Showing Up. Popular 84 still today.

    IF Doctor Davis Brothers(killing)

    recent video post 2 Eagles Locked together by Talons Tussling on Ground

    2 birds same feather flock together. To me expressing Focal Point of Interest

  149. Russ Heiser says:

    l found interesting
    richard davis killed gary davis his brother doctor 2011 in driveway 2011(convicted)

    lim WHP are YOI? How connrected?

    what was the shed? you mentioned, tools ect?

    any OVERJEARD Argument?

    You POSTED PUBLIC left us Waiting Part 2

  150. KA says:

    Can someone tell me why they wont release how he passed? This whole thing just doesn’t add up- at all. Like is there a reason they are holding the cause of death back?

    • Stay Strong! says:

      Probably to validate the veracity of a tip or confession if either materializes.

      Seems solvable but only if someone talks.

      This is another act of violence that is tough to swallow. A young man, just starting out. Seemed like an impressive and good guy.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      KA, it seems some law enforcement agencies hold back some details, on homicides. I have seen where some police agency, claim they are holding back the cause of death to protect the investigation.

      Yet, we have a number of agencies that released that the person was strangled, shot, stabbed, blunt force trauma, etc. was the cause of death. So, there is nothing uniform about it. If I remember right there are three cases on this forum, where the victim was murdered, but how they were murdered is not stated.

      It bothers me that holding back the cause of death, on a cold case that has not been solved for more then 20 or more years, just bugs the heck out of me. Some agencies will hold back some other detail such as a ring was missing from a victim.

      They will use the excuse that they don’t want someone wandering in and confessing to a crime, that they did not commit. So, holding back some details is a way of preventing it.

  151. tim says:

    did anyone read that murderers obituary, should not of even been linked. dont want to give a killer any type of recognition thats anyway positive. hope he rots in hell

  152. Sherri says:

    I had one of Julie’s sons in my Sunday school class. My heart breaks for this family and I was shocked at the time at how little media coverage this story got. Still so sad the case hasn’t been solved!

  153. Carolyn Braastad says:

    My father Franz Curtis worked as a butcher at Federal Fruit Market when I was young. I remember going to their house when I was young and knew both Connie and Maria. They were all great people!

  154. Tonya M LaFarr says:

    I was wondering why my cousin Ameisha Heard’s homicide hasn’t been listed here, She was shot and killed in May 2014. There was a person of interest in her case but because witnesses back out he was let go from jail. I never got to meet Ameisha because at the time of her death I was living in Texas. It’s been 7 years for our family and no justice for Ameisha.

  155. Susan Brown says:

    The only person with keys took witnesses with him to find the body?? Interesting

  156. Susan Brown says:

    I am wondering about siblings; the article states he had 11 siblings, yet only identifies 8. Also, all the links only repeat the same information found in this article.

  157. MikeD says:

    Who was the friend he spent the evening with at the Filling Station? Did that friend also walk home or did they have a vehicle? Had he done this walk home from Filling Station any other time? I assume he was walking back to his parent’s home.

  158. says:

    That boy Anthony know what happened if he knew where the body was….period

  159. Chris says:

    It’s about TIME this case is solved.

  160. Linda Carr says:

    With so many mysterious deaths and searches for someone to question, makes me wonder who are those that would be questioned in Mike’s death??? Seems like no one ever mentioned a thing about this then 1975! So much time has passed by …. It would be such a relief to get some answers. I pray that we could get some answers! Thanks to everyone who works to help families of victims get some help to help healing of these deaths.

  161. LeeRay says:

    I’m telling you the killer is from this area!! I followed Lyric and Elizabeth’s murders and told a lady on the phone they would be found by a body of water in a park.. this person has been killing people for a long time and I get the vibe that hes an older man now that EVERYONE KNOWS and wouldnt expect! I see and older truck with a camper and he has the nicest smile and vary polite! May even of owed a business in the area.. He also owns several properties in the area!

  162. Jenni says:

    Another possible match; I just submitted to the Doe Network: Victim found 3/7/1991 and matches Matthew’s height/weight.

    • MikeD says:

      Great find. That one looks really promising.

      • Jenni says:

        Doe Network says that the match has actually been submitted before, and that they forwarded the information to Law Enforcement. Clearly there was no follow up by LE, because Matthew is not in the list of exclusions for that unidentified person. A different organization (The DNA Doe Project) working on that case through genetic genealogy is checking into whether he could be a match for Matthew now.

        • Jody Ewing says:

          Thanks for the update, Jenni. So many things match in this case, and the physical similarities are remarkable. I look forward to hearing whether there’s a match to Matthew. The “list of exclusions” you referenced is invaluable; it saves both researchers and investigators from running out the same lead and hitting the same dead end.

    • Jenni says:

      FYI, this individual was determined to be a missing person from St. Louis. One less John Doe out there now.

  163. Cody says:

    It almost seems like a case of her seeing something she shouldn’t have and getting murdered for it. Evidence could be on the phone. Could be why no one has come forward, because their the perp & why phone is gone. This case has always bothered me. Such a tragedy..Evilness is everywhere

  164. Euphemia says:

    What if Millhouse was the one late night calling the Gosch residents hoping Johnny would pick up the phone?

  165. Randall Bertrand says:

    Cecil DuBois was my great uncle. Not sure who see this? Was there any forensic Evidence? Maybe someone could look into this? My name is Randall Bertrand

  166. Randall Bertrand says:

    Cicil was my great uncle. Not really sure who see this? When was the last time someone has looked at this case. Was there Forensic left that my could help? Phone 520 808 2720

  167. Paul Andrew Anderson says:

    Maureen Brubaker Farley’s murder was solved and the suspect George M. Smith of Cedar Rapids was identified through dna but he will not be brought to justice because he died back in 2013.

  168. fred dorfman says:

    Um…..*scratching head*

  169. Kim says:

    CRPD announced today that they’ve closed this case. The man who murdered Maureen died in 2013 but he’d been one of their main suspects from the start. He knew her from the diner. It was solved with DNA technology.

    • MIkeD says:

      I saw this news too. Luckily the Farley family has a little bit of closure. I can’t help but wonder how George M. Smith’s family feels and if they knew he was a suspect all those years.

      • Patrick Kerrigan says:

        He knew her from the diner. I would be nice if we knew more about his background. It might provide a possible motive for her murder. He was in his early 50’s, when she was murdered.

        • MikeD says:

          From what I read he was a known suspect, whether or not his family and friends knew that is unknown. I’m just kind of curious if the family of George M. Smith are nodding in agreement or if they are more defensive and thinking he is innocent until proven guilty? When a police department closes a case like this is there any 3rd party review of their evidence?

  170. Sarah says:

    According to the new this case was finally solved thanks to DNA.
    Investigators linked and confirmed one suspect, George M. Smith, that had died in 2013 at the age of 94.

    Smith had been identified as an acquaintance of Brubaker-Farley’s from the diner she worked at, had gone to police multiple times to inquire about the progress of the investigation, and worked at a liquor store near her apartment.

    He was interviewed in 1971 and declined a polygraph test but never charged.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      Sarah, your comment about him going to the police and inquiring about the investigation, reminded me of something in the book ‘Mindhunter’, by FBI Special Agent John Douglas. He was one of the leading FBI criminal profilers.

      He mentioned consulting on various cases, and that the offender might be the one who interjects himself into the investigation. So, a criminal profiler might have been able to take notice of that. Mr. Smith might have have caught sooner if this had been brought up.

      • Kim says:

        It also makes you wonder if Maureen’s murder was the only one he committed or were there others? He sexually assaulted her and then must’ve redressed her and washed her feet before placing her body on the car trunk. She was not wearing shoes when she was found, so did he keep the shoes as a trophy? I’d definitely be looking into other unsolved cases in the areas where he lived, see if any of them have similar M.O.’s.

        • MikeD says:

          Kind of makes me wonder about the Paula Jean Oberbroeckling case from a year prior to Maureen’s.

          • Murder Mystery Readers Comments says:

            Paula Oberbroeckling was murdered at 810 5th Street S.E. on July 11, 1970. This was a prostitute’s place of residence. If you ask the question……why were Paula’s hands tied together? I would quess that Paul’s hands were tied together to prevent Paula from leaving the prostitutes’s house at 810 5th Street S.E.
            Paula’s autopsy shows that her toes could have been broken. I would quess that Paula broke her toes by kicking a person who was trying to rape her. This person then killed Paula by smothering her to death with a pillow.

            • Kim says:

              Was that the place they called Big Lulu’s? Wasn’t it somehow connected to the murder of US Marshal Dick McKinney in 1972?

  171. Jason Beardsley says:

    Case solved through DNA and
    George Smith did it. News will break soon.

  172. Stay Strong says:

    This is another one that irritates me to no end.

    I can hardly believe after all these years Kevin Petersen and Jeff Daily hasn’t been brought to justice is a total injustice.

  173. Lisa Hagen Saucier Carlson says:

    Your birthday was a couple days ago and you have been on my mind a lot. I am older now then the age you were when that man took your life. Your grandson that you wanted born on your birthday, however he couldn’t wait an extra day is 25 now, just celebrated his birthday the day before yours. I wish he could have gotten to know you, I have the one picture of you & him that I treasure. Your youngest daughter has grown into a beautiful woman and she is the best mother to your 2 youngest grandchildren. I wish you could have met them, they are so stinking cute! Your sons on the other hand could really use you to watch over them. I wish I could say they are doing as well. Help them as much as you can.

    Love you

    • Jody Ewing says:

      Lisa, what a beautiful tribute to your mom for what would have been her 68th birthday. It’s always so nice to hear from a victim’s family member and learn how his or her children and grandchildren went on to build lives while never forgetting the one who set them on that path. Thank you so much for sharing this with us and our readers. Your mom would be so proud.

      Jody @ ICC

  174. sue rose says:

    The woman who was murdered in Boone by the name of Penny did they find out who murdered her and left her son in the house. The house is or was on old highway 30

  175. Shelly Ann Read says:

    Waterloo Iowa, near a convince store, kum & Go, near a park, on a motel poperty, this could be a possibility, look into.

  176. Sariah Williams says:

    You remind me of my little brother. You both have similar features, and your case hits really close to home. I hope we are able to find you alive buddy, as I can barely stand this, and I am sure your family can barely either. My heart breaks for you as the months keep going and no closure to this yet. I wish someone would speak up because I know someone knows something out there. Your smile is infectious little man, all prayers towards you.

  177. Cecilia Eichenberger says:

    what happened with the psychic who was hired? or didn’t that happen?

  178. MIkeD says:

    It’s too bad more information isn’t available. I wonder if a FOIA request to the Webster County Sheriff’s Office could result in any information that isn’t already publicly available.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      Mike D, I assume that the agency will not release any more information, since the case is still open. However, it bugs me that we have all these cold cases, and especially with homicides they quite often hold back some detail, so that a person who did not commit the crime, will not come in and confess to the crime.

      Many agencies, usually hold back some details, on the murder. What bugs me, is that in some cold cases we know the caliber of the firearm used in a murder. In other cases that information is not released. Some agencies will release the cause of death information, other don’t claiming to want to protect the investigation.

      I don’t know what they are protecting it from, besides they being beyond their expertise. But, then many agencies never reached out to bigger agencies for help.

      We have cases that have not been solved for 10, 20, 30, 40 years or more, and yet they won’t release these small details, that might help solve a case.

      if they are still holding back some small detail, it has not helped find her. But, then many agencies really never put the effort forth to investigate missing adults. Adults who disappear have not broken any laws.

      But, then they should pull the case file and see if they can develop some new information, or fill in the blanks they never answered.

      There was a young woman, in Texas, who disappeared over 25 or more years ago. Her father mentioned it to a constable with Harris County. He never filed a report. The missing woman’s sister, filed a report with another agency. After 22 years she asked them what they did on the report. She found that considered it a well being check, and never completed a report.

      I believe the missing woman and her car were found in a body of water, a year or two ago.

      There was a case in Omaha, Nebraska, where a young boy was lured away after getting off a bus. The family reported him missing to the Omaha Police Department. They never made a report or conducted an investigation.

      So the family hired a private detective, who traced the boy and his kidnapper to a cabin in Idaho. So the FBI and the local sheriff officers rescued him.

      So, how we handled missing persons is mess. We make a bog deal out of the disappearance of Gabby, but others never get the necessary attention, except being added to the “The Charley Project”, Redditt, Websleuths, and the Doe Network.

  179. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I wonder if Mr. Handlon is such a wanted person, why the service of the warrant was not turned over to the U.S. Marshals Service. They should be able to track him down. I wonder if he was in the scrap metal business, he may have disposed of Mr. Delaney at some facility.

    • Gary C Sobie says:

      Mark Handlon is definitely a felon. He stole money from me. And he was cheating scrap metal recyclers in the Quad-Cities area. He stole two trucks from lady that I live with. And he he lived there. And stole $1,000.00 plus more money from the lady & me awhile lot.

  180. Devin says:

    Maybe the serial killer Samuel Little? I know he was a serial killer during this time frame who murdered tons of African American women. Not sure if he was ever in Iowa but he apparently killed 90+ people.

  181. Gary C Sobie says:

    I know Mark Edward Handlon is a felon & a thief. He stole money from me & tried to kill me in the Motel 6 motel in Moline, IL. He had such a terrible & threatening anger. And it was worse when I worked with him. Doing scrap metal business. He always said, he would watch out for me(Gary Sobie). And give me money from the work that we did. But he(Mark)always was carrying lots of money with him. But he would always keep most of it for himself & exwife(Marilee Handlon). Her address is: 4903 28th Ave, Moline, IL. And if any police department is looking for Mark. Look at his exwifes house for sure. And watch her house, because she is a co-conspirator with Mark.

  182. Alice says:

    I have questions. What was the name of the judge who chronicled the domestic abuse and at least partially concluded that Dave was lying? It couldn’t have been the juvenile court judge who gave custody to Dave. Or was it? Because if domestic abuse evidence, that much of it, was testified to, the juvenile court judge was incompetent to award Dave custody. And what court papers are available to the public? I don’t know if it’s progress that someone can be convicted of murder without a body found, because circumstantial evidence is a tricky and slippery slope to try a case on. But I’m surprised, given the evidence outlined here, that the county attorney didn’t bring a case. Terribly surprised. Who was the county prosecutor at that time?
    All these people commenting. Where is your evidence? Especially the story of hip bone and a spine being found in the river. I guarandamntee you I would harass the cops until they told me what THAT was about. C’mon.
    Also-they reunite on Labor Day because the wife wants to reconcile? Did he? Surely she confided in her friends. Sounds like they were a fairly popular couple and drug users always know alot of people.
    Intetesting that Dave claimed sobriety at one point. Isn’t he in jail this very moment for drunk driving? (Monday, September 13, 2021) I bet he went to AA. I went to meetings somewhere else with a man who murdered his wife. AA is such a hide out for predators. Silly cult.
    Why didn’t the family pursue a civil case against him? And at least get a verdict of damages, because they would have. And my point is not the amount they would receive. That doesn’t matter. It’s the moral victory of winning the case that shows the perpetrator and the community that he’s never going to really get away with anything.
    I’m surprised the dude had the stones to stay in Cedar Rapids. And that anybody in the area would avail themselves of his services.
    The 2nd wife died of cancer in 2015? At 55? Very young. That’s terrible.
    My heart is with the daughter. And, no, a baby’story would never be enough to convict someone of murder. It breaks my heart that the girl was kept from her mom’s family. But I’m glad it gave them joy to finally have contact with her.
    I hope Dave Fraley will at least tell his daughter the truth before he dies. Unless she had a lover, it’s pretty inconceivable to me that he didn’t kill her.

  183. says:

    I miss you big bro and wish you was here…A to Birthday is in a couple of weeks I know your going to turn up ❤but continue to watch over us‼️LOVE YOU 🖤

  184. andrea says:

    It appears that Chantal Steeg has been active on facebook since the missing persons report was made.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      An online directory shows her supposedly living in South Sioux City. Nebraska.

      • Jody Ewing says:

        The Iowa Missing Person Information Clearinghouse (MPIC) is usually the first to delete a report once the individual has been located. As of today, they still show Chantal Steeg as missing.

        For the longest time, Facebook also showed Cari Farver as alive and posting. We now know Shanna Golyar impersonated Cari on Facebook after she killed her. The posts on Chantal’s page (primarily new profile pictures, one after the other, with an occasional link to an offsite article) strike a familiar chord.

        As long as MPIC lists Chantal Steeg as still missing (and physically endangered at that), she remains on our Missing Persons page.

  185. Alicia M says:

    My good friend Billy worthen was wrongfully accused and treated so poorly sorry for barb and her family but also sorry for the wrongfully accused as well

  186. JdF says:

    I think the key here is the wallet.
    Either he didn’t think he would need it for a short drive, or more probably, he forgot it when he decided to go to a specific place.
    Then there is the 3rd consideration of kidnapping/robbery.
    From the limited information provided I would speculate that he went for gas. The realization of forgetting his wallet is what set whatever scenario in motion. I would have first questioned the nearest gas stations.
    I picture him asking for cash from someone and getting rolled or taken advantage of.
    It would help if we knew what time of day he left and if his home was locked up.

  187. Catherine Furlich says:

    I knew Patty in the early 1970s. She was so much fun and a good person. When I went to college, we lost touch. I had no idea she had been murdered until my sister shared this post on her FB. I was devastated to find out that she had been murdered and murdered so brutally.
    I don’t know whether law enforcement has viable DNA that can be tested, but there are several labs that are now doing Genetic Genealogy and using DNA matches to identify one or more suspects. The first case solved using this method was the infamous Golden State Killer case.
    One lab, Parabon Nanolabs has solved well over 100 cold cases in the last few years. There is a cost for their services and the investigating LE agency has to contact Parabon to start the process. I imagine the other labs offering this service operate the same way.
    The most important question is whether there is DNA that was collected at the crime scene and whether the DNA has been properly stored for for 25 years.

  188. Catherine says:

    I hope that they give Janice her own article. There might be someone that is out there that may know something.. I live in her home currently and finding out about her tragic death I feel so connected to this home and her. I wish her soul peace. We go to her grave and give her flowers that her father planted many years ago that still pop up..

  189. Kim says:

    Oh no, I didn’t realize that! Prayers that she is found safe!

  190. JRM says:

    Does anyone believe Noreen’s account of Johnny visiting her in 1997?

  191. Bonnie says:

    I just reading article dated 4/16/2021 by Leslie Thompson of the Argus Observer which is the daily newspaper of Ontario, Oregon. It talks about a bag of bones recovered and Keith Schuller was called to examine them to determine what they were. He said he used the coroner’s book to identify them as deer. Also last year another bag of bones found were determined to be a cow. Since Keith examined them could they have really been Lynn’s bones and not animal? They should have had a second opinion because of Keith’s background. What an opportunity to finally get rid of the bones if they were really Lynn’s.

  192. Anonymous says:

    His killer is dead !!!!

  193. Jim F says:

    I find it very suspicious that LDS would block access to a TRAILER for their film on this website. A trailer is nothing more than an advertisement. In this case, FREE advertising for their product. So why block a potential sale? Somethings not right here.

    • Tri State Girl says:

      The film is a joke. It’s horrible journalism. They simply looked into conspiracy theories that sound fake anyways. When the film was made the Faded Out podcast didn’t exist, and Yellow Bag hadn’t made his comments on here yet. However, there were still articles from the 80’s about Millhouse, Sykora, that guy at the mall, and the pedophile ring in Des Moines that was busted. A real journalist would have followed those leads.

  194. Steve C. says:

    Tow words and one name… Genetic Genealogy and Cee Cee Moore.
    Case solved and closed.

  195. Erin Turner says:

    put kenzie lyons on here she needs to be brought home…

  196. Theresa says:

    When I see a child missing with no pictures, no information as to details where they went missing. Just their name, location date they went missing i don’t understand why there is no picture, no information. How do they expect the public to help. Very disturbing to say the least.

    • Jody Ewing says:

      Theresa, I’ve often asked myself that same question, but the info put out on many missing persons cases can be quite limited. For example, right now, there are 331 individuals listed as missing on the IDPS’s Missing Person Information Clearinghouse site. Of the 331 missing, 65 have a photo.

      My understanding is that the investigating agency will provide a photo to MPIC “if” the one filing the missing person report provides a picture of the individual to LE officials at the time they file the MP report.

      Missing persons photos may be emailed to, but the photo or photos will have to be verified by the appropriate jurisdiction.

  197. Lindsey Klar says:

    Is there any DNA that can be tested in this case? Curious if the case could be reopened?

  198. Fred Reinfeld says:

    The Huelsenbecks said he had fallen and received bruises several times in the days leading up to his death.

  199. Shane says:

    A lot of these accusations about Babe and 1 or 2 others our stories that aren’t all true.

    👉 Remember this: Once you get caught the big lie you gotta wiggle your way out of the corner your in and kiss ass. They are phony kiss ass ppl, and whenever they get caught in the big lie, they’ll try wiggling there way out kissing ass. Do not let them do that!

    👉 That is true about babe always having a bodyguard but i don’t think he himself was a mobster. He may of had friends who were but i don’t think he ever joined any mafia family. He was a bootlegger at one time way back in the 30’s but who wasn’t. Most everyone was poor back in them days. Once again, a lot of these rumors about babe are stories, right?

    Think For Yourself

  200. Karen says:

    She is my relative and I don’t remember this happening. I pray someone comes forward with the truth. She made my prom dress one year. Heartbroken.

  201. TD says:

    The address of that location he was seen on camera is never given. Which US Cellular building? How far away from ASAC was he? The sister and friends on the family’s facebook group stay tight-lipped, but they could at least share more information like that. They want people to speak up, but they wont speak up. Let us help.

  202. LakeLife says:

    Jodi! My heart breaks for you & your families loss!
    What a senseless & sick thing for a person or people to do!
    They didn’t care that that home filled with gas & would kill people!!
    They just wanted money.
    I’m so so sorry!
    As always praying for justice for him, you & your family & loved ones!
    He is always with you & I’m sure he is so proud of you & who you are & what you have done!

  203. Kim says:

    Charges were dropped against Roberts because he gave a false confession in this case:

  204. LakeLife says:

    This is so sad
    Maybe if the person had stopped he would still be alive.
    Praying this gets solved.

  205. Christine Howard says:

    I knew Sheila well in high school. She was bright, vivacious and fun to be around. That this happened to her is more than terrible and that no one was ever caught is even worse.

  206. Veronica Lack says:

    Iowa’s White more Powerful Proud Boys, have killed, tortured, and lynched, to cover-up their on-going contamination of 1/2 million Iowans’ Source Water. According to the State of Iowa and IDNR’s Russ Tell’s 2008 mapped out on-going “Plume of contamination” in the Cedar Valley Group Aquifers, this contamination continues to spread throughout 8 Iowa Counties, on the “LEFT” side of Iowa.
    According to then Governor Branstad’s Attorney, Colon Smith, on about 2/2/2017 this Plume only affected the Bloom or Left side of Iowa, as if we were not important, or our water quality was of no value. Governor Branstad sent for two more Iowa Highway Patrolmen to escort me out of his office in our State Capital.
    This “Plume” of Point Source contamination starts in Cedar (W) Township Mitchell County Iowa’s Designated National Wetland’s Aquifer Recharge Area of Sinkholes. Kleckner/Branstad’s Flood drainage channels were built to channel run-off over roads and through farms, homes, small towns, and bigger cities by the Worth and Mitchell County Engineer, James Hyde, to drain 50,000 agricultural acres faster in parts of Worth, Cerro Gordo, and Mitchell Counties.
    Draining Ag nitrogen fertilizers, and long-lasting in-organic Arsenic chemicals (herbicides/pesticides) and E-Coli, Coliform, and Cyanobacteria and their deadly Cyanotoxins, along with heavy metals in Climate Changes increased floods, washing ponding water down into the drinking water source of Mitchell, Floyd, Butler, Bremer, Benton, Black Hawk, Lynn, and Johnson County Iowa unsuspecting residents.
    Support the Biden/Harris Administration’s reinstatement of access to EPA and NRCS data, so my son, Adam M. Lack’s “RUSLE3” equations can again limit Point Source contamination of our US groundwater or Aquifers. Veronica M. Lack

    • Veronica Lack says:

      Harris/Booker’s Anti-Lynching bill, would have made “Lynching a Federal Crime”.

      Their Bill should have been passed long ago, maybe there would not have been a need for George Floyd’s Minneapolis Memorial Service, or my son’s too.

      Republican’s senator’s waited until Harris/Booker were to fly to attend George Floyd’s MN Memorial. Our Republican controlled Senate, pulled this bill out of his pile of about 400 good House passed Bills, and Republican Senators smeared and bad mouthed this bill with lies, as both Harris and Booker hurried to come back from the airport to speak in its defense. Republican’s Speaker Mitch McConnell had held it in the pile backlogged, until he knew they were going to be attending George Floyd’s Service. In a blink of Republican lies, Republican Senator’s voted it down.

      I’m just one of the 1,000 of mothers, still alive, waiting for JUSTICE, for our sons and daughters lives. Adam was tortured, killed or lynched and his death is still used to threaten others less powerful than the White, Powerful, Proud Boy, Legislators, Governors, and Conglomerate Corporations that still benefit/profit from Adam’s death. There has been no investigation of Adam’s lynching yet 13 years after Judge Bryan H. McKinley and Dean Kleckner’s Contractors are pictured controlling the Scene, while Adam is being tortured and killed.

  207. Veronica M. Lack says:

    Iowa Highway Patrolman, Graham Palas’ photo’s still haunt me as Judge Bryan H. McKinley and Dean Kleckner’s Mayer’s Digging Company contractors stand by joking about 8-9 hours after Adam had chased away Bradley Johnson and Brody Mitchell from my farm home on the night of 7/12/2008. Judge Bryan H. McKinley looks to be directing the scene and Kleckner’s contractors look like they are celebrating the fact that they are refusing aide to Adam still trapped. Adam’s Mom, Veronica Lack

  208. Vincent Oelkers says:

    Better picture?

  209. Ron Dobroth says:

    The “neighbor and his child” shown in the photo above with Ashley, is my Grandfather, Albert Dumpman, holding my Mom.

  210. Trevor says:

    This case keeps me up at night. So many things don’t add up.

  211. Susy Ketchum says:

    Has anyone ever checked the Doe Network for Johnny Gosch or Jody Huisentruitt? I saw a man from Oregon that looked a lot like an older Johnny.

  212. 1026 says:

    Please see ChampionforLaura website and facebook. New $10K reward for information. True information from Law Enforcement.

  213. Rowdy Bolinger says:

    I had no idea we have unsolved murders in Creston, Iowa.

  214. CA says:

    The brothers have grown to be the finest young men I know. I am extremely proud of both of them.

  215. thedeathstormer says:

    My condolences to the family. I hope that you will find closure soon

  216. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I searched Mr. William Lee Halterman, born in 1959, on I found that he had connections to two different residences in Vicksburg, Mississippi. One of them is 430 Roy Young Road, which lists a Bonita Halterman, William L. Halterman (61) as homeowners and a Vernon Halterman.

    Also, an address at 380 Roy Young Road, which appears to be a manufactured mobile home of some sort, which was built in 1997.

    Also, he had an address of 1533 Iowa Avenue, in Chariton, Iowa. It is identified as a two bedroom house, with a detached garage. I noticed that there is West Lake in Chariton. A nice place to dump a car.

    It seems that he may have lived in Waterloo, Iowa.

    It also appears that he was born in L.A. County.

    • Jessica says:

      I am fairly certain Lee is not William’s middle name.

      • Lashanda J Colon-Martinez says:

        Lee is his middle name. This is Bethann’s daughter I can confirm some things.

        • Jessica says:

          Lashanda…. is your email address still the same as mentioned below? I would love for his middle name to be Lee as you stated; sadly, I am certain it is not.

          • Lashanda Martinez says:

            Yes my email is still the same

          • Lashanda J Colon-Martinez says:

            That is his middle name. Now I’m not saying the man that Patrick researched is the guy but Lee is his middle name. I know this for a fact. It’s not even an argument point. I know the name of the man that was intimately in my life. However with that being said why are you so convinced that it’s not? What has you believing that it isn’t even though the victim’s child is confirming that it is in fact Lee.

    • Jessica says:

      All of the information you posted is incorrect Patrick. He’s born and raised in Warren County, Iowa. Her car was never dumped (in a lake), it’s my understanding it was traded in. But I assure you Patrick, that is the wrong William.

      • Patrick Kerrigan says:

        Jessica, If you check Shane brought up a reference to Mississippi. Also, the guy I searched had connections to Iowa.

        Also, the fact that I mentioned the lake, was an observation
        There are a number of missing persons who have been found along with their vehicles have been found in lakes, ponds and other bodies of water.

        • Jessica says:

          I completely understand how you connected the dots; however, after a podcast done in Des Moines that has Beth’s daughter, Shanda, as well as Sgt Paul Parizek giving details of Bill, where they both were employed, what happened to her Prism, etc. I can tell you with 100% certainty that William Lee Halterman, isn’t the correct William.

  217. Elishia Ebel-Reese says:

    Would like to know the name of the person that reported it. why that during their Gathering of evidence and going over that they were able to determine that he was only hit once but so incompetent that they couldn’t even take multiple swabs for comparison. So was it incompetence or evidence tampering that caused the swabs to be useless? And if it was evidence tampering was it before or after police got there

  218. anon says:

    And Alvernia Beets died this year, also. Her obit mentions that James Junior Browning (her son) predeceased her. All of the likely psychopathic perps are now dead, except for Wendell’s psychopathic, homicidal, sex offending, son Tony.

  219. anon says:

    Wendell Beets has now died. Now the only brother left is Colbert.!/Obituary

    • anon says:

      Also, that obituary is misleading, and contains at least one serious outright lie. The family continues to enable.

  220. Mary Maki says:

    Can they get DNA off her clothes the sheriff said he kept?

  221. LakeLife says:

    They should test the DNA of these two children.
    If they match then it had to be someone who had access to the shredder at the facility & could access it without anyone really seeing them.
    What kind of evil monster would out a baby through a shredder?!
    I hope they catch this evil person one day!
    I pray they do!!

  222. LakeLife says:

    Praying this gets solved!
    He was just walking down the street!!

  223. Jean says:

    The Des Moines Register reported in Feb. 2021 that foul play was not suspected. I can say as a resident of Franklin County that Ethan was brought hime after being identified and his family quietly interred his remains and not a peep has been heard since. I think he was either high or drunk or both and accidentally drove into the water and everyone is too ashamed to admit it.

    • Daren says:

      Respect the deceased please ! No one knows what happened, so to say he was drunk or high is just hear say. Less there is concrete evidence then
      no point guessing.

    • George says:

      I’m telling you after putting some pieces together, actions of police, and investigators. I really think they didn’t want the evidence or the victim to be found. I feel that this is a real cover up. He was working on computers and data. Can you imagine the information he may have had access to. Something very fishy here. It could have been an individual foul play or a conspiracy piece of the pie. In today’s political war and things going on right now that are getting crazy, I seriously would consider a conspiracy plot. The body language of the police chief and others was not favorable. Actions speak louder than words. Someone or some people didn’t want Ethan to be found .

      • Scott says:

        The car was intact with a full windshield when the Adventures with Purpose crew found it. After being forced off the property for a day, they were allowed back onto the property just as it was being pulled out of the water. The windshield somehow was mysteriously missing when it emerged from the water, leading me to believe that it had been popped to remove evidence (of an inside job I assume). The body was located in the back seat which rules out the theory of Ethan accidentally driving into the pond. I also think this may have been a cover up, considering that the sheriff told Adventures with Purpose that the pond had already been searched by the county and basically inferred that it would be a waste of time to search again. All of the secrecy and suspicious activity by the authorities in this case has me wondering what really happened. Something doesn’t seem right. Then, after his body was found and identified, there was a quick declaration of ‘no foul play suspected’ and then silence. How can foul play not be suspected when he was found in the back seat?

        • Belinda L says:

          True .. why else would he be in the back seat and if he was leaving to go home First instinct when you’re leaving to go somewhere you start your car put your seatbelt on in the net seatbelt I may be wrong but I’m not the only one thinking it

          • doofy says:

            according to the people who found him, most people who are not wearing seat belts tend to end up in the back of the car. i dont know if their body floats back there or he tried to get out as the car was filling and went to the back seat. its just sad though it took that long to find him

        • Andre says:

          In their video you can see that the windshield was broken when they found the car under water. They just didnt show it. So it’s not correct that it was mysteriously missing.

  224. Dan 24:00 says:

    Try OR plates 035 GGY

  225. Glenda Gottstine says:

    I have seen Johnny’s photo so many time and now to know the circumstances, I’m very interested in him being found.
    Please do not say hurtful things about his mom. No one can imagine what she’s been through unless you were in her shoes.
    For her sake, I will pray for answers.

    • Truth says:

      Noreen has viciously and falsely accused people of kidnapping Johnny just because they made her mad. That includes her ex, the police chief, a journalist, and even a private eye who all tried to help find Johnny. Sorry, but her victim card is wearing thin after all the crazy nastiness she has shown to others.

      • George K says:

        Pretty much all of those people who you mention made themselves a suspect in the kidnapping by their own actions:

        * Noreen’s ex-husband Leonard John Gosch lied about numerous aspects of the case and his own involvement, and was accused by several witnesses of involvement in the Franklin network:

        * The police chief Orval Cooney supervised an abysmal investigation that failed to even acknowledge Johnny had been kidnapped, was involved in prior misconduct such as police brutality and fixing an investigation for his son (, and shoplifted “blank videotapes” and “screw hooks” (why?) from a Target store after his resignation as chief (

        * The “private eye” Sam Soda lied about the Gosches hiring him when he actually inserted himself into the investigation without their prompting. He had connections to the Mafia, and was able to both acquire and show child pornography in public yet face no consequences; Ron Wheeler, the first assistant Polk County attorney who let Sam off the hook, later went into private practice and defended Sam on charges of beating his teenage stepson ( Sam told several lies on Faded Out, including the aforementioned falsehood about the Gosches hiring him and claiming Mary Bock was in the room with him during his Frank Sykora interrogation despite Bock herself telling Faded Out that she wasn’t; he also rather suspiciously tried to get Sarah to stop looking into Yellow Bag’s theory of Johnny being targeted by pedophiles at the Des Moines Register. And the Gosch family’s own suspicion of Sam was shared by both Noreen and LJG at the time (, despite what LJG tries to claim now.

        Not sure what “journalist” you’re referring to, but given that everyone else you mentioned was justifiably suspect in Noreen’s eyes, I have a feeling that they were as well.

    • Dan says:

      Well said. I dont know what i believe but i’d never say anything about a missing kid’s parent.

  226. Kelly S. says:

    Any way these could be the work of Ted Bundy? His victims were often around college campuses.

  227. Jan Farley says:

    This case should be investigated…. ! It’s a cover up for sure!

  228. RIP Kimmie my sister Kim I miss you soo much Happy bday in heaven today.Tell Mom,Dad,Steven,Michael,and little Larry the second we miss you guys every second! Love your sister,Terrie(nickname) I wish you would have met your niece Natalia,and my husband Monte I love you 😘 Love Always and forever your sister Teresa

  229. LakeLife says:

    It’s clearly the wife. He caught her naked in bed with the guy & was shot & killed.
    Probably by the guy but she clearly wasn’t “scared” of him because she was seen talking to him in that shirt the police found in her apartment.
    She was ALL about that money when he died too so clearly it was all about the money & being with another guy for her.

  230. Sherri Harvell says:

    He was given 10+5 for rape and murder and he’ll probably only serve part of it,why? they had him cold,DNA last person with her,I’m so sickened,a habitual criminal with very little job history, just watch,he will kill someone else,her little girl has no mother.

  231. Outlandish D'amour says:

    The FBI and my local PD have been given all the info placed on this site and more. has been contacted as well. Cybercrimes?

  232. Michael David Rogers says:

    Mr.Body,I’ve turned your info over to the local police and the Iowa cold case folks. I’m hoping your tracked down aand prosecuted, you will be caught, your actions are psychopathic and will be looked @. You are traceable, have a great day, and if I were you, better lawyer up, your going to need one. We don’t say this BULLSHIT here in the great state of Texas, ol and the FBI is informed as well

  233. seth says:

    you should contact adventures with purpose for the missing people they could help you search the rivers

  234. LakeLife says:

    Two of the perpetrators died, where is the third one?
    We’re is daily??
    Is he still alive?!

  235. L says:

    This whole situation sounds sooo shady!
    It sounds like a cover up.
    This poor girl was kidnapped & possibly raped.
    Then they murdered her by beating her to death, then claimed she “died” in a random car accident…that never happened.
    THEN her parents who were trying to get justice for their daughter end up “mysteriously” dead in a fire, however no one can explain how the fire got started.

  236. LakeLife says:

    Praying this gets solved.
    He was just trying to work for his family & provide & his life is cut short for what?!
    What did they even get?!
    God will judge them.

  237. LakeLife says:

    He didn’t do anything to anyone & still someone must have thought there was money in that apartment to be breaking in left & right.
    I pray that the murderer is caught & if he isn’t punished in this life time he will be in the next!

  238. LakeLife says:

    It doesn’t seem that there’s a lot of info on this case.
    It breaks my heart when it doesn’t list family.
    My heart goes out to this man.
    I feel like he was lone in the world.
    I wonder if he was an orphan.
    Praying they solve this one!

  239. LakeLife says:

    Praying they catch the person or persons who did this!
    I think the person or people who did this prepared for it since they got a rug & other items to try to conceal the body.

  240. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice for this poor women!
    They have DNA so why not test it?!!

  241. LakeLife says:

    Was the baby a boy or a girl?
    They can get a sample & use DNA to find out what happened.
    This poor little baby deserves justice & to just leave a baby is SICK.

  242. LakeLife says:

    I think it was someone from the VA!
    Someone who knew his nephew.
    He talked to people about how much money he had & they tracked him down & killed him.
    So sad!
    Praying for justice!

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      That begs the question of where did the phone call come from. Did Amos have a phone, and the offender wanted Amos to be found. However, we hear nothing was missing, and then the DCI suggests that robbery might have been a motive.

  243. LakeLife says:

    It was obviously him if they saw him leave her house RIGHT before the fire… the jury got it wrong.
    So sad!
    I wonder if he is still alive today.

  244. LakeLife says:


  245. LakeLife says:

    Praying to justice!

  246. LakeLife says:

    Praying they can arrest the man who did this!!
    Sick & evil to molest a child!!

  247. LakeLife says:

    Praying to justice!

  248. LakeLife says:

    Penny, praying with you!
    What an evil person!!

  249. LakeLife says:

    Maybe it was someone or a group of people that asked for e drink of water just to get into his house?
    Maybe that’s why he was killed in the kitchen?

  250. ashley says:

    this is fredricks sister ashley we are all worried sick about him and would like help to find him people lets all work together to find out stuff and if anyone knows anything please come forward with imfortmation i would like to know what happend and we need closer we arent asking for much

  251. Michael David Rogers says:

    Please get help , your humor is not needed on here. Maybe your the guilty one or have a guilty conscience???

  252. Linda Rivers says:

    Reading questions about how the father of Patricia Scott could have even been aware of Donna Sue while he was in town for only a week. My grandparents lived a couple of blocks from where this all happened and my dad and all of his siblings grew up in the neighborhood. Very strong Catholic community at St. Bonifice. Wouldn’t doubt that he could have attended church with the family while in town, possibly to find a small child, and saw her there. It would not have taken much to locate the family and scope out the house.

    • Dakota Kenney says:

      That is good information. I’m going to see if I can’t find any records of members at that time.

  253. Michael David Rogers says:

    If it was your biological Father you would take more seriously, I disagree with your comments.

  254. Dean Rhodes says:

    I have since looked at a bigger computer and my tablet has better views then the desk top. I hope they don’t brush this off because their not seeing it!

  255. Dean Rhodes says:

    After watching some of the adventures with a purpose, one show talked about a google maps find in Florida of a car in the water. Since I’ve heard of this story years ago sticking in my head I researched for any updates on Dale being found. Not not able to sleep I played around on google maps and looked up and down the river banks. I’ve boated that river for years and know some basics of the river flows. I spotted a red color. Spot on the screen up river from the Iowa side boat ramp but down street from the big Sioux inlet. I called in to the phone number listed and gave them the latitude and longitude numbers. The lady and I talked over the location but the views are tough to see and I don’t know if she was seeing what I saw. I took a photo of the better shot that I saw , but she didn’t seem to want to see it or have me send it to her, but I hope I’m wrong. I will share it with other authorities when I’m back home from the holidays and try a look on a better computer then my tablet!

  256. Andrew says:

    First i want to send my condolences to Micalla and her family along with Adam. Have they found out where the bullet came from exactly? I know it’s says more then likely someone shooting or hunting but this case kind of remains me of a case i saw the other day on unsolved mysteries about a woman who was shot but survived on a rural road in Connecticut in the late 1980s i know chances are slim but is it possible it could’ve been the same man?

  257. Dakota Kenney says:

    Basing information off of previous comments, a sibling of one of the people mentioned has a history of lascivious acts on children. Using old newspaper articles, I found at least 5 charges brought against him. Obviously just inferring here, but that behavior was learned somewhere.

  258. No Name says:

    Is it true that the those brother lived in Dubuque at the time? Maybe West 5th St?

  259. Lynea Cooper says:

    Miss you little brother. We will one day meet again. Rest in peace. Lynea

  260. T. Sherman says:

    If the murders were related to their sexual relationship, Pietism would have been examined and the hardcore Pietists would have been questioned and investigated. This could explain the beating about the head and face for their thought processes not fitting the self-righteous killer.

  261. Ken Westin says:

    How did they discover who killed Kaiden? Did Ms. Michael turn herself in or did they use cell phone records to find out who was using their phone at that time and place?

  262. Pat says:

    Even though this is a 59 year old case, consider that a 65 year old case was solved in 2021 through DNA technique. In 1956, Kenneth Gould murdered and raped Patricia Kalitzke. Gould, who was never considered during the murder investigation, died in 2007, and was cremated. However, his children volunteered DNA, and using a single sperm cell and genetic genealogy, the connection was made to Gould.

    In the case of Ramona Jean Cox, the following forensic evidence was gathered: 1) multiple hairs left by the murderer at the crime scene; 2) a t-shirt left by the murderer at the crime scene; 3) skin matter taken from under Ramona’s fingernails; 4) whatever biological material was gathered by rape examination. And, even if the DMPD lost the evidence inadvertently, the FBI may still have the hair and analysis work that they did.

  263. Pat says:

    I had to stop at Iowa Methodist Medical Center today, and after leaving, I drove over and parked in the east side parking of the Hoyt Sherman place. I walked from 680 15th Street down to the location where the 15th Street sidewalk met the Woodland sidewalk, back in 1962. From that location, I stepped off across Woodland, on a diagonal to where I was immediately in front of the location where 1526 Woodland stood back in 1962. Fifty steps, and figuring each step was an average of 3 feet, calculates to 150 feet. It was a shorter distance than I had remembered. I walked between 1530 Woodland, which still exists, and the west end of the apartment building next to it on the east. This is the pathway the murderer of Ramona Cox took that night back on April 29, 1962. The concrete walkway is no longer there, but a stone wall separates the properties. The landscaping behind is totally different. I walked east in what had been the alley to 15th Street, and over to the corner of 14th Street Place, where the grocery store had been in 1962. The whole route was dramatically shorter than what existed in my memory.

  264. Gramma says:

    Does seven bridges have a target shooting area? If so, gun enthusiasts should be looked at, in addition to hunters

    • MikeD says:

      It doesn’t have a dedicated area for target shooting, but it’s of note that the girls were discovered on the first day of deer hunting season. Seven Bridges is basically just a road that loops around the forrest nexts to a river. It’s not really a destination or a place anyone knows about except for locals.

  265. Denielle Kelly says:

    This story was an episode on The Swords and Scales Podcast. The story has always haunted my heart and head. Child Sex Trafficking is REAL and PROTECTED by the detail oriented system that runs this WORLD WIDE OPERATION. Usually involving and operated by people with power, money and fetishes. While being protected by fellow members in all areas applying to life. Ex: Police officers, Teachers, Lawyers, Government Employees, Child Protection Services, Hospitals, Doctors , Nurses, Dentist, Daycares, Nurse Practitioners, Non Profit Groups, Coaches, Truck Drivers, Domestic Violence Protection Shelters, Actors, Singers, Pilots, Captains, Army, Politicians and many other positions that are automatically respected and trusted by us Americans because that’s what we where raised to believe and never doubt. In this episode Eugenes mother repeatedly states that the detective and police officer’s didn’t make her feel heard, respected, taken seriously and was being questioned more then being answered. So much that she hired a Private Investigator. She continued her own hunt for answers even when she was continually shut down or even mocked by her possible theories, fears and overall mother’s intuition. She also states that after months/years of the investigation she had her own doubts and suspicions about Eugene’s father involvement and how the entire investigation was handled and cared for. The end of the podcast we learn that all of his mothers efforts finally paid off in a way she could never imagine. It was Eugene either going to see her or contacted her explaining that she had to stop looking for him. That he was involved in this huge operation that he has a certain role with power and that his mothers fight for him was endangering his life with his new “family” members. So much that he told her to please stop so that he would remain safe in his now normal everyday life. So she did what any mother would do to protect her son- she LISTENED and LET HIM GO. I encourage everyone to listen and hear the pain in this moms voice telling her story. Where do you think these boys that pretend to love girls and promise to give them a better life come from? They are kidnapped- trained and purposely chosen for what ever role they will become and then eventually train others to do. It’s very interesting to me that all missing children in Iowa are mainly Caucasians. In Illinois where I was raised it’s mainly African American girls and some boys. In California where I was born it’s mainly Hispanic women or young star eyed teens who believe that they can be made into a movie star model or living in poverty and promised a better life. I can stand rooted and calm saying all this because I believe in my heart this is our worlds BIGGEST problem. Coming from a woman who’s then 3 year-son was sexually abused and coached by his then 12 year old half brother to perform sex acts that I fortunately walked in on while he was having parenting time at his fathers. Also found strange Craigslist ads posted by my sons father that were in code that a lawyer once told me I needed to dig deep into the meaning and it’s hidden codes. Forensic exams, rape kits, intense therapy, orders of protection, court orders, DCFS involvement, a verbal statement made by my son to counselors, doctors, Dcfs, nurses and the detective who was assigned our case. Nobody listened except our therapist, who wanted to do anything she could to have this boy heard and protected- but had to be so careful as to how to have him heard, while having to jump hoops and hurdles to have the system work for him not against him. It’s not enough for a mother to witness it, report it, and then have her son explain in detail in a forensic exam to be told there was NOT ENOUGH evidence. That me constantly coming in 36+ times to report new information, disclosures, and overall fear of her sons safety was focused on more then the alarming fact that a 12 year old boy was sexually abusing and coaching a 3year old boy- While his father was home and present. In the suburbs of Chicago.I keep journals. I write down everything he wants to tell me- 2 years later geared around safety, structure and rebuilding has brought him to new level of realization and a higher state of concern that if what all my son says is true I’m so grateful I was able to listen, believe and react in a way that has given us a fresh, safe healthy start. However has me fearing for his future because this is an organized, detailed, system of checks and balances. If we don’t stand up, raise our voices, talk about what is uncomfortably true and real, and protect ALL CHILDREN’S LIVES! EVERY CHILD’S LIFE is a target for the dark side we live amongst. Hopefully my truth will open doors for others truth. Or the more information we can collect we can unite and fight.

  266. TB says:

    Steve peacock ran me over with a motorcycle when i was 4 years old. He broke both bones in my left leg. He was never charged or held accountable. He said i jumped in fr9nt of the motorcycle. When there is a 4 yr old on a path playing with dolls, you dont speed up! You stop! He Sped up! Somehow im not not dead.

  267. Shawn Harmon says:

    My father Dennis Ross Harmon was the killer of the Delphi girls give me a call at 502-965-3372 Dennis Ross Harmon was his name and my younger son Dylan

  268. Pat says:

    My best theory:
    The man in the living room at 7:30-7:45 pm, dressed like the murderer who fled at 11:00 pm, is the murderer.
    The man is an acquaintance of Cox, or she wouldn’t have let him in.
    He drops by, and promises not to stay long, since it was Sunday night, and the work week would soon begin. She lets him in and they chat briefly.
    He may have gotten aroused.
    He notices the open bedroom window, and plans a return to rape.
    He leaves the apartment before 8:00 pm.
    This accounts for Mrs. Grismore not hearing anyone with Cox, when she went to bed at 8:30 pm.
    This accounts for Cox getting into her pajamas, and curling her hair, since the visitor had left.
    This accounts for Cox not mentioning the man in her telephone talks with Norma Jean Higgins, at 7 pm and 8 pm, since the conversations focused on the dress she was making, and the man was only there briefly.
    He returns about 10:45 pm, in the same clothes he wore earlier.
    He parks his car parallel with or behind any car at 1526, as it is likely there was no parking space available.
    He does not park in the alley, as attention would be drawn to the vehicle, and it could result in an interruption if he was blockading anyone.
    He enters through the open bedroom window.
    He discovers the linoleum knife which Cox had brought into the apartment to use, and left in the bedroom.
    He decides he has to kill her since she could identify him.
    The mayhem begins, and he escapes to the back alley, and drives his car away.
    Because his car was parked close enables a quick getaway.
    This explains why the bloodhounds only track to the alley.

  269. Pat says:

    As my high school friend and I were talking with the clerk in the neighborhood grocery store, I seem to remember the clerk looking out the window behind him, on the east side of the building, and indicating he saw a shirtless man running by, north on 14th Street Place. We could see nothing from the customer side of the counter. The newspaper account on 04/30, indicates the police used bloodhounds for tracking, early Monday morning. Although nothing was reported by the newspaper regarding the results, since the escape route would be only hours old, it would be interesting to know what those bloodhounds detected.

  270. Shannon Hebert says:

    The above article states he was survived by one daughter? He has 3. No evidence to prosecute? Fragments of my father’s skull were found in James Burroughs boot!!! They had plenty of other proof to use to prosecute. I think there is a lot more to his murder.

    • LakeLife says:

      I’m so sorry for your loss!
      It sounds like his murderer has died now.
      God will judge that evil man!

  271. Pat says:

    According to the 05/04/62 Tribune, p. 9, Ramona had moved into 1526 Woodland in February. Thus, she had only lived there for 2 months by the time of the crime. It is likely she had moved from 930 Bancroft on the “near” south side, where the Aug 1961 Des Moines phone book lists her. Unless there had been an in between move. Not likely.

  272. Pat says:

    All times are approximate as reported in the newspaper:

    10:45 pm a woman’s scream is heard from 1526 Woodland;
    11:00 pm a man jumps from the bedroom window at 1526 Woodland;
    11:15 pm the police find Ramona Cox dead in her living room at 1526 Woodland.

    At about 10:55 pm my high school friend and I walk from his apartment at 680 15th to the corner of 15th and Woodland and turn east heading for the grocery store at 14th Street Place and Woodland. We couldn’t have known that across the street and three doors to the west, a murder-rape was taking place. We saw no one out that night except us. By the time we walk east and reach the point where we can see south on 15th Street, we see two guys in a car coming north towards us. They turn onto Woodland heading west and were in a hurry. I’m sure this was Charles R. and his friend who drove him back to 1530 Woodland, after looking for police. Charles enters 1530, and he and Sharen C. and Jackie P. come outside. The women are sitting in his car and Charles is standing next to it when a man jumps out the bedroom window at 1526, and flees south into the back alley and heads east to 15th Street, where he stops running to tuck his shirt in, under a street light, before resuming his escape. My friend and I are in the grocery store buying cigarettes and candy while this is taking place. At about 11:10 pm we see a police car speeding by east to west on Woodland with his light flashing, no siren. At this point we leave the store and walk back to the NW corner of 15th and Woodland. It wasn’t long before there were four squad cars. One of the officers walked over to us and asked what we were doing out at that time of night and we said we had gone to the grocery store. Then he asked us if we had seen any one out and about in the neighborhood, and we told him no. We asked what was going on, and he told us he couldn’t tell us. It was obvious the police were checking out the gray house at 1526 Woodland. We didn’t find out what was going on until the next morning when we saw the DM Register headline: “Woman, 25, Slain in Home”.

  273. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice.
    I wonder who knows she had those bonds on her?

  274. Pat says:

    Apparently, Jackie P. passed away in 2003, and Charles R. in 2018. Two of the three witnesses that saw the murderer jump from the bedroom window at 1526 Woodland, at approximately 11:00 pm on 04/29/1962.

  275. LakeLife says:

    So someone kept him in that barn & hurt him over the course of two days.
    Very sick!
    Praying for justice!!

  276. LakeLife says:

    This is so sad!
    He wrote in blood that the killer was black & older.
    He tried to describe the killer.
    Praying for justice!

  277. I'm staying Anonymous says:

    With a limited amount of information, the only person I saw on the Doe Network that could POSSIBLY be the un-id male is Daniel Jess Goldman. He is from Florida, however, but from the research I did the Mississippi goes through Florida and flows into the Missouri river. Obviously I’m not saying this is the for sure identification, just a POSSIBLE identity. It’s hard to know though with only having his skin tone.

    • Stay Strong! says:

      … and to think all this time I was under impression the Mississippi River flows North-to-South (like all but around 20 in the US) from MN and drains into the Gulf of Mexico, never coming anywhere near FL, and it’s the Missouri River that drains into the Mississippi River…

  278. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice for this poor old women!
    This makes me sick!!
    For no reason at all but just for money!!
    Nothing just evil!

  279. Penny L Lozon says:

    “Schuster said she’d learned Jane Doe wasn’t a match after she’d called NamUs. She said she also called the Waterloo Police Department, who told her they had a police report from September 6, 1983 that her sister had filed,” If Viola filed a police report in Waterloo on Sept 6, wouldn’t that mean she made it back to Iowa?

  280. Hernan Moreno says:

    Find out if Mason City has a Cold Case Unit and try contacting them. Prayers…

  281. anon says:

    A lot of people who were listed as missing on this page have been taken down. What happened to the kid with the surname Nissen?

    • Jody Ewing says:

      Anon, Brian Nissen’s case was removed from both the IDPS’s Missing Person Information Clearinghouse site, and his case also removed from NamUs, which means for whatever reason, they no longer consider him missing. I cull through our Missing page frequently, and when I see they’ve been removed from the other two sites (some don’t even make it to NamUs), then I remove them from ICC’s “Missing” page. A lot of our missing people don’t have personal case summary pages because there’s so little info about them online. The MPIC staff with the state are adding and deleting names from their database every day.

  282. LakeLife says:

    I wonder if it had something to do with local politics too since he was running.
    Maybe someone really thought he was a threat?
    This is so sad!
    Praying this gets solved so the family can finally have peace

  283. LakeLife says:

    I think they need to exhume the body & get better DNA from the bone marrow.
    Also, could they test the fetus as well?
    The leading cause of death for pregnant women is murder & many times it’s the baby’s father who doesn’t want the baby.
    It’s tragic & sick.
    Praying that they find the killer!

  284. Shelly Read says:

    How are government in Fort dodge iowa, can’t solve cases, locking up innocent, it’s a prejudice movement against the dead population!! They to busy taking money, not improving the community…!!! Living in mansion, pushing their authority in the wrong way in Iowa….

  285. Ron Munt says:

    does anyone know the address of wilbur millhouse?? (yes i know hes dead)

    • Roger says:

      Idk exact address but know exactly which one was his first house on the south side of maury past se23rd (I think it’s 23rd) drive by there often

  286. Shelly Read says:

    Angela Marie Altman, was this the lady that lived across the old faraway store, in a white house, her boyfriend/ husband told her he would be right back, she responded yes..!!

    • Shelly Read says:

      Mrs, Altman was alive when her boyfriend/ husband was walking toward the flats. I always wondered what happened to this case.?? He’s fully innocent…!!! I hope they find the real young boy that caused this tragic, a teenager.. ” under age individual “

  287. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice for this man!

  288. Tim says:

    rest in peace lisa

    • Tim says:

      I knew her a little bit when i was 7 and 8 (1976 and 1977).
      she was very nice and good to me and I would never believe she was a prostitute.
      If there was foul play involved then what does that mean with the other two friends named above “Jerri Lee Connelly” and “Patrice Waddell” as far as being related as that is pretty strange.
      they all new each other and within 4 months they all are dead.

      • Tim says:

        after more thinking i first new her at a different house by 12th street where i was even younger and the year was close to 1974

  289. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice!
    Hoping they can still use the DNA & get a conviction!
    Also, it would be very helpful to know who those two men where who left the restaurant around the time she was murdered

  290. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice!
    I can’t imagine coming home to find your husband dead.

  291. LakeLife says:

    It’s so odd that this case ties into the other case with Gary & his wife.
    Praying for justice!

  292. LakeLife says:

    What a senseless & evil thing!
    Why would anyone want to murder an old man?!
    Praying for justice!

  293. Charles Langgin says:

    Why does her dad say she is in Omaha NE

  294. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice!

  295. Melanie Wood says:

    I thought name calling wasn’t tolerated.

  296. Melanie Wood says:

    There’s alot of abuse on this thread that needs to be removed.

  297. Jackie Raymond says:

    What would it take to open up this cold case. They need to go back and look at everything. Use the new equipment. I wish they would look into this. They have forgotten Lynn she needs justice. Very sad. And Kieth is over here enjoying life.
    Can we contact records and get the police report . I would like to get the police report in it.

  298. Melissa Huston says:

    Sorry if this has already been mentioned. Can they run or have they been running cars VIN numbers?

    • Russ Heiser says:

      said they did lol(scroll)

      • Russ Heiser says:

        Missing Report taken Harry and VEHICLE should ENTER VEHICLE VIN into National Crime Information Center Data Bank. Someone ATTEMPTS Reregister “BINGO per say
        Even on Reopened Case Should be DONE again. At Least make SURE proper VIN was Entered 1sr TIME. Good Question

  299. Melanie Wood says:

    Yes. Some of Noreen’s statements seem very far fetched. However the situation and the mental anguish and evil tricks played on her have pushed her over the edge. By no fault of her own. I have great sympathy for her. I can’t imagine the hell she has been througj.

    • George K says:

      I don’t think there’s any evidence that Noreen has been mentally unwell. Farfetched does not equal false, and what Noreen has said about Johnny’s case, as outlandish as it might seem to some people, is logically consistent and does check out. She has frequently explained the multitude of evidence backing up Paul Bonacci’s involvement in her son’s abduction, such as his knowledge of Johnny being photographed prior to the kidnapping, his awareness of a suspicious van being in the neighborhood that morning (which, funnily enough, Faded Out podcast witness Chris Birge inadvertently confirmed while trying to deny it; explains this more), and his identification of Sam Soda as a perpetrator when Sam had been suspected by the Gosches for years prior. More information about how much Noreen and Paul Bonacci’s versions of events actually check out can be found here:

      • Greg Caliper says:

        Then why hasn’t Bonacci been arrested. I read somewhere that he is doing well, has children.

        • George K says:

          That’s a question for the West Des Moines police to answer. With the volume of evidence backing up Paul Bonacci’s story, it’s inexcusable that they didn’t even interview him, instead deferring to perjury charges against him that the state of Nebraska *dropped*, and later relying on the recollection of unidentified family members a whole 10 years after the kidnapping to claim he couldn’t have been out-of-state when it happened. The WDM police hopped from excuse to excuse not to speak to Bonacci, as if they could afford to be picky in a case that had been cold for a decade.

          Were Bonacci’s story to finally be taken seriously by LE, though, it is unlikely he would be held as culpable, given his account that he was forced into assisting the kidnapping: both physically at gunpoint and mentally by being a victim of the Franklin ring nearly since birth.

  300. brian Zirtzman says:

    fake news

  301. Melanie Wood says:

    She was aquitted.

  302. Melanie Wood says:

    I don’t see a motive here. Very strange.

  303. matthewratliff65 says:

    they are letting them off agian and the state still wont let me talk to my kids i have had about enough of the shit i need help

  304. Melanie Wood says:

    Yeah. What are they doing to solve this?. DNA?. No mention of the sex or race of this baby. Not much to go on to get the peopke responsible. I’ll never understand going through all of the pregnancy to kill it and dump it. Stupid. They will pay.

  305. Melanie Wood says:

    Big man likes to kill animals. Evil SOB! guilty. Murderer. Takes a big man to shoot someone and animals that will kill you because you have a gun
    You’ll get yours on earth or after big man.

  306. Melanie Wood says:

    I think it was someone she knew. The dog is to be of note. I believe the “This” written was a statement that they were killed because of what they were doing. “This” is why they are dead. I just don’t think it was random. The overkill. Personal. The violence and murder weapon used. Very brutal. Like someone was very angry. It doesn’t appear robbery was a motive. No one chooses an axe or the like for a weapon for a robbery. No forced entry. No one heard anything which I do find strange.

    • Tammy Burkman says:

      I was Rose’s best friend. It could have been someone mad at her, but Roger is the one that was married. So, that in itself meant people , if they knew or found out would have been very angry. His wife’s family was a very strange, some evil bunch. I really think it was either done by the wife’s close family members. Or they paid someone to help. I hope that the DNA that was found can be used to do genealogy. That would bring us to the killer even if they are already deceased. I just need to know who, that will tell why. It has been going on 41 years, we just need the answers!

  307. Melanie Wood says:

    Evidence now. No. I am sure she smothered them. No marks. Looks like SIDS. MSBP wasn’t diagnosed then. Yes there was a mother finally caught after many babies died. They were all considered a genetic problem. But she killed the last one. Adopted. I can’t remember her name.

  308. Melanie Wood says:

    Being a prison was nearby has anyone searched released prisoners.

  309. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    Sue, I checked Floyd Cramer and came across a Find-A- Grave entry for him. It basically has the date he died 12/9/1960. It appears the Des Moines Police made no effort on his supposed murder.

    I use that term, since there is no mention that an autopsy was conducted to determine a cause of death for him.

  310. Melanie Wood says:

    This doesn’t fit the Gosch or Martin disappearances. First they were paperboys.Different circumstances. And I don’t believe Marc was the same person. And second they were never found. This guy apparently had no fear of that.

  311. Melanie Wood says:

    Heads up. Don’t trust the mods especially Trish on Webslueths. She spends donations on herself. From former members it is referred to as “Jonestown”. Trish goes to the Casino. She also splits the money with her mod pals.

  312. Melanie Wood says:

    Bundy. No. Bundy was never said or known to be in Iowa. Even at Bundy’s own admissions they would be looking at 3 digit victims in 6 States. Iowa was not one. Oregon, Washington, Utah, Colorado, Vermont and Florida. And none of the “Waverly” would have been on his escape to Florida. I’m really not sure the 3 are connected. Spaced that far A part?. Especially Valerie. I can see the last 2. But once serial killers get started they don’t have a 4 yr lapse. And usually killers kill in the same age range. Valerie was a child. I think it was someone she knew. But who?. Alot of people have motorcycles in cold weather states. The person was smart luring her away from the pool. No witnesses. Around alot of people that would notice anything strange. Perpetrator still alive?. It’s possible. But I think they are not. I also think this person went to prison for something. Just a feeling. So sad. I just turned 1 when she was murdered.

  313. Melanie Wood says:

    Pietro the father died in 2005 same year as the mother. Not the daughter, The victim.

  314. Melanie Wood says:

    With little information there is no hope for identification. Also I would bet they have discarded his remains by now.

  315. Melanie Wood says:

    There really is no information out there on this man. I certainly don’t think it was random. But no mention of any other suspect than the man they couldn’t tie to it. Where do You go from nowhere. To serve in WWII and then come back to be murdered how terrible. This is purely speculation. But for some reason I get the strong feeling it was,an argument over owing money. Friend or acquaintance. I also get the strong feeling this man was a hermit people wouldn’t really notice was gone.

  316. Melanie Wood says:

    So many suspects. I feel she will never get earthly justice. But whoever it was the person is evil beyond words. I find troubling the dog nor parents heard anything. As far as the dog that would lead me to believe it was someone the dog knew. I don’t believe the father had anything to do with it whatsoever. And it was stated he was finally cleared by DNA. That poor man. That made me cry. What this family had to go through. The way the public acted towards them. Shameful. I have seen that house now. Windows painted over. Creepy. It should be burned then leveled.

  317. Melanie Wood says:

    I think the man who got her pregnant murdered her. She told him and he killed her. Whether it was right when she told him or later meeting for an arrangement. People saying she was going somewhere else for an abortion. No. It wasn’t legal anywhere at the time. Alot of people missing or found murdered their cars are often found at airports. To make it appear they went somewhere from the perpetrator. When logs are checked for tickets for their names they never find they actually bought one.

  318. Greg Caliper says:

    I have not yet read or heard a peep from Johnny’s step brother or step sister. Why?

  319. Melanie Wood says:

    I find it very suspicious the ex boyfriend didn’t seem to be suspect. If not him I suspect the guy they found not guilty. But why?. He had the background of violence. And they let him out on day reease and at a hotel. Idiots.

  320. Melanie Wood says:

    Found in the back seat. Not intoxicated. In her driveway. I suspect someone followed her home and blitz attacked her and she was dragged in the back seat to be assaulted. Then killed eventhough no evidence was found to support that it majes sense. And the car set on fire to cover up the crime. It was successful.

  321. Jim says:

    Start with Richard Davis for one I believe I was standing in drive way that day and Richard Davis and two others did something with harry on his property the dorve the car to the shed across the road

    • Mark Milligan says:

      Jim, please reach out to me. I would like to speak with you in reference to this comment.

      • Russ Heiser says:

        Matk Mulligan

        Suffestion Only

        Break into Teams Since a Large GROUP if haven’t ALREADY

        Trd Team Example

        Research Hicory Grove Cemetary aka Pyramid Cemetary

        Any Caretakers 1984?
        Cemetary Plot Map Names
        Any Names Especially Civil war Vets Misplaced?
        May have Severak People Interested.

        Blue Team Old Albia and Avery Photo’s

        Mught be WHY Private Groups INFO that can VET a “Caller: with

        Example ONLY

      • Russ Heiser says:


        Previous Comment to me. Said something to effect. Im working Jimmy Hoffa Case?

        No. Have not Delved INTO Hoffa

        Pyramids Close to Avery. was Secluded

        Research is Middle Nowhere Comments

        Grass instead FRESH DIrt

        Probally No Regular Visitors Probally to NOTICE Grave “Change ect

        If Headstone Sjift may be PC KE Cloder Look

        Could Obvious Bury Body on top Original occupent wrapped sheet no coffin.

        Why mentioned Caretaker(s) Questioned. UNUSUAL 1984 not enough to report.

        Nove Headstone Civik War era probally not NOTICED Excdept MAP

        ok Maybe Hoffa could have ASSUMED New Idenity.

      • Russ Heiser says:

        Mark Mulligan

        My OPION

        Common Law

        Meets Requiements of Lindberg Act

        and Modern BASED on Facts

        Might want to CONTACT Feds FBI

        1, InVoluntary Dissaperance

        2. No Phone Contact 36 Years Previous KNOWN To

        3, Known Large amounr Cash Reservist Check Poker Room.

        4 Car ALSO Vanished No Re-Registrtion KNOWN ro be WORKING ORDER

        5 No Fingerprints SHOWING LE(Jail) or JOB

        6 Declared DECEASED

        7 “Jims Statement” Tho Vauge Linked with above may be enough

        8 Harry NO MEBTION Suicide, “good mood”

        9 No Show Baseball Game Jul 1st 1984

        10 Various COMMENTS thru YEARS Not FOLLOWED UP ect

        “DESERTER” Dropped by Marines CID

        Talk to Feds? SEEMS May have INTEREST

        Interesting Reading

        Attnys Stimell’ Stimnel, and Roser KIDNAPPING

        The FBI-

        Who Probally Could NIP in BUD DEA or Drig Involment

  322. Leif says:

    Paragraph #6 ends with: “Pegram walked away a free man.” Yet the Des Moines Register reported on 24 May 91 that Pegram was convicted in the death of Maria Schuler. ~

  323. Anna says:

    Cecil was my best friend when I was in facility in Leon and I’m so pissed off that these people have gotten away with murdering him. All these years. I’ve never even been able to visit his grave idk where it’s at and I’ve moved all over the place. Please contact me especially if you’re his sister if you want to talk I’m here

  324. Jeff Frost says:

    To the person that is assuming that she went to the concert alone, she was at the concert with my female cousin. I vaguely recall speaking to both of them while at the concert.

  325. Jodi K Shondel says:

    I first hand seen how crystal behaved while at the hospital. How she claimed to not know CPR. It would have been different too say you didn’t do it because you was scared BUT that’s not what she said. Crystal also told my best friend it was ok if we lost dj because “we would have another little dj running around” who says that while your baby’s father is dying???? Crystal may have not killed him but she sure as h*ll didn’t save him. She knows a.lot more then she claims. Best believe I see karma playing out every time I see crystal.

  326. Joseph W Teske says:

    The car was not place in an impound it was placed in a garage where the murderers family member was able to taint the evidence their wass a boot print on the passenger door wonder if they got pics….and a gentlman reported seeing someone getting chaswd nd beat up

  327. Alisia myers says:

    Well 27 year’s ago still unsolved , sickening to me he is still free Scott Macy needs reinvestigated how bout another lie detector , DNA in her nails and hair and DNA all around her body did you test and study all that and the garbage bag found with her hair and salvia in it also finger tear Mark’s on it also , come on forensic technology solve my mother’s murder 🙏

    • Kathy Wallace says:

      Forensics will solve this. The case needs to keep being warmed up and followed and revisited every single year until that murderer is brought to justice . Prayers ❤️

      • Alisia myers says:

        I only can hope and pray Jesus will take the wheel and help the police catch Scott Macy , tweeker out on the east side because he is a meth head .

  328. Kim says:

    This discussion makes me sick to my stomach. I knew Pennye, and I believe she was murdered, not because she was black, but because she may have trusted the wrong guy. she spent her whole high school years being shy, and kept from everything. I remember she said she lived with her Grandma, and wasn’t allowed to wear make up, she would come to school each morning and put lipstick on first thing. I think she was finally enjoying some freedom, and someone took her life, I was at that school, none of ever knew or heard what actually happened to her, and if I did I would most definitely have told someone. I will remember this gal for the few memories I have of her, and not focus on how her life ended. I will always pray she is at peace, and I know someday someone will come forward, until then, I wont listen to anyone try and make her life a rumor of race.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      I was reviewing the cold case murder of Betty Ann Moore (12) of Robbins, Illinois, in my neck of the woods, on June 4, 1986. She was a young black girl, whose mother a nurse’s aid, was in the hospital.

      So,she normally stayed at her foster grandfather’s house. She supposedly did not want to go to school, because of her mother. Also, her father had died a few months before. She did not interact with the other kids in the neighborhood.

      She also wrote a short story for an English class in school. The story was titled “The Case of the Missing Body and Murder”. It was about a fictional rich woman, who everyone wanted dead. The fictional woman was named Betty Ann Moore.

      Betty Ann Moore was found naked and severely beaten close to the Cal-Sag Channel, not far from where she lived. Her foster grandfather assumed she got up and went to school. She was not home when they got up. She was reported missing when she did not return from school. In fact she never made it to school. This somehow sounds similar to Pennye’s case

    • Hi Kim,

      My name is Sarah Herriott, I have been attempting to gain traction on Pennye’s case, I would love to hear from you.

      If you are comfortable, please find me via Twitter @pennyes_cause

    • Tim whitehead says:

      I was in Pennyes class. She was very quiet,and she could sing. May she RIP

  329. Audrey E Haverkamp says:

    I remember when the fire that killed the Eberly children happened. I was 10 years old and went to school at New Market Comm. School. My little sister was in kindergarten and the oldest Eberly child, Larry, was in her grade. It was such a tragic fire and affected the whole community. So very awful and sad…

  330. Kaylin J says:

    Where can I get in touch with the family? I’ve written a poem inspired by this case and I’d like to share it with them.

  331. Jeremiah Baustian says:

    The Trail Went Cold just did in episode in March on this case. I guess her daughter has been very active on Reddit and with reaching out to podcasts to garner attention for her mom’s case.

  332. Denise Munoz says:

    I just wanted to say for some reason I was not mentioned. I am his oldest Denise. I truely pray they find who did this . To my sister and brothers.. I love you guys

  333. George Duggan says:

    Does anyone know whether there was any eminent domain actions taken for this parcel of land before the townhouses were built?

  334. Hines says:

    Please follow my Mothers fb page. (Who Killed Jamedia Hines)
    My family and I are seeking answers. Any questions, comments or concerns youmay have, please feel free to contact me personally. We just want justice! Thank you

  335. Excuses excuses says:

    This person is said to be Buried in a field that has lime in it….Southeast of Lakeside the junkyard… everybody in town knows the story including the police
    wonder if a single Bucket of dirt has ever been lifted or what excuse they would have to why not…..

  336. Elizabeth says:

    Has there ever been a book about the murders in Ottumwa?

  337. Anna Sayre says:


  338. Mike says:

    Look into James Brian Chadwell the II from Lafayette area. He loved the woods and bridges, fishing and was a semi driver. He is now suspect for Delphi murders.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      Mike, he sounds like a good candidate. However, investigators would have to be able to place him the area. Also, would he have knowledge of the area. Everyone thinks all they need is DNA. But, it is one piece of the pie

      • Tom Neulieb says:

        A friend gave me this. They sent it to the cops: No response.
        This is regarding the disappearance of Lyric and Elizabeth, the victims of a double homicide in Evansdale, Iowa. I know you have a wealth of information regarding the case, so I will not be redundant. I know you have interviewed “all the usual suspects,” including those named in the Dephi murders, etc. You may have interviewed the gentleman I am addressing here. However, I hope you will revisit your information about him, even though he is deceased, because a lot of evidence points to him.
        Many of my friends and I often engage in conversations about local crimes, cold cases, and unsolved murders. One of my friends is from Evansdale and knew the two missing girls. She spoke of them often. She has a large family in that area and they spend a lot of time in bars, fraternal organization, and so forth. As in all small towns, everyone knows everyone and the girls and their families, and the murders were the topic of conversations for some time in all the places she hung out. They do mingle in the same places as the girl’s families and are personally acquainted with some of the family members, as well as with law enforcement officers. My friend’s ex husband has a number of employees, he once had a public works position in XXXXXXXX and most of her family now works at XXXXXXXX.
        They all remain in the Evansdale/Independence area. Through the years she has often suggested we take a tour of Evansdale so she could show me Meyer’s Lake, Angel’s Park, and where the girls lived and so forth.
        Some of this is simple speculation, but I hope you understand why I am drawing some inferences that I draw. We always talk about local creeps and crimes and she began the “tour” by pointing out a house where an awful person lived, not the suspect, but inferences could be drawn by some psychologists, sociologists, and criminologists if they are related because they have the same name. Many years ago the man that lived there kidnapped and killed a small child. The whole town was looking for her, yet she was already deceased in his attic. He told the creepy stories about how she “liked sitting on his lap” and that she “wanted him.” “She was really cute,” he told the reporter. “I loved her probably as much as her parents did.”
        The 1974 Courier article goes on to say that R. Fitz, the creepy perp, had actually joked with the child’s father about abducting the girl. “She’s so cute; I’d like to kidnap her,” the article quotes R. Fitz as saying. He was 27, she was 2.
        As XXXXX is telling me this story, she burst into tears. This perpetrator just died in prison and she and her family were discussing his obituary. He was 71, so he had been in prison for approximately 44 years. My friend said that her grown daughter came over and burst into tears and shared that R. Fitz had tried to molest her when she was a child. My friend’s family lived near the Fitz’s and several times he had tried to get her children to come over or go for rides, etc. Her daughter is still very naïve and even now doesn’t grasp the ramifications of some of these acts. Her daughter said R. Fitz attempted to get her to “kiss his …..,” but more alarming, his wife was there and she laughed and said, “Russell, put that thing away” and made some comment that he needed to quit doing that stuff.
        Here is where you may feel I am off track or speculating. I have been unable to find out if my suspect, Chad Fitz is related to Russell Fitz. But in my experience, families may share some behaviors, learned or otherwise. Here are just a couple of charges Chad Fitz has had in the past. If they are related, a lot of this occurs in the same families as a learned behavior. Both are deceased now, but Chad should be considered a suspect anyway. DNA could still be obtained from all involved as well as using genetic genealogy DNA.

        Chad was convicted with:


        To the investigators: I am sure you must know these things, but you should talk to XXXXXX. She showed me where Chad Fitz’s mom or grandma lived, right by Meyer’s Lake. Within yards! That’s where he stayed or lived with his mom or grandmother and the girls rode their bikes right past his house on Gilbert Street and all around there. XXXXX told me about his car being crushed (I found he had a white PU at the time, maybe his, maybe the person’s he lived with, he/they may have others, but this was at least one of them.) So now he leaves that Evansdale house after the murders and moves in with grandma (or mom) AGAIN, now in Readlyn, near the reserve! A straight shot as it were, across the county. The woman he lived with was first in Evansdale, the moves out to Readlyn. The address there is very close to the wildlife area. In my opinion, if you follow criminal profiling, I don’t see he could possibility be eliminated!!! Look at those two charges! Here are bits of my conversations with XXXXX. Just have her take you on a tour and talk with her and her family and keep it confidential. Talk to the car crusher. They said the car/truck stunk when they got it. XXXXX and her relatives know all these people personally and no one ever asked them anything,
        You sent December 7, 2020 to XXXXXXX.
        Chad Fitz has a huge record yet no obit anywhere online… just a short death notice in Waterloo Courier. Died at U of I Hospital? Hardly anything about him. That would be the two house addresses. One is on Gilbert in Evansdale and one on a farm or house in Readlyn. This creep has an old kidnappings charge and a charge with LASCIVIOUS ACTS W/CHILD-INFLICT PAIN OR DISCOMFORT (FELD) and KIDNAPPING 1ST DEGREE – 1978 (FELA). Seems so logical that he could be involved. He loved the outdoors too and spent time right there at the reserve. He has lots of meth charges too. Don’t say anything to anyone except find out what he drove from those people, if it really stunk, why they didn’t call the PD, if they really crushed it, etc. Locals in a bar/club who knew the girls and their families talked about this and never did anything??????? WTH?

        12/7/20, 5:39 PM
        You sent December 7, 2020
        Check this out. “Best address match” on Been Verified is 2568 Independence Ave Evansdale, IA 50707. Dates seen March 2005. Other is “Higher Confidence” 2848 270th St Readlyn, IA 50668
        You sent December 7, 2020
        OMG he lived 16 minutes or 6 miles from the Seven Bridges park SIX MINUTES!!! SIX MILES!

        XXXXXXX sent December 7, 2020
        Also at the time the girls disappeared he lived on Gilbert Drive
        You sent December 7, 2020
        I know, that is what I have been asking you. You said it was his mom’s or grandma’s house. I thought it was the house we drove by right by the lake. I thought you said that was Gilbert Drive in Evansdale. That is why I need that address and if his grandma or mom lived there. Didn’t you say Gilbert in Evansdale? That is the only missing link. That and what kind of vehicle he had, where it went and why.
        You sent December 7, 2020
        What is Rydell? How do you know he bought it there? Where did it end up where you said it smelled?

        XXXXXXX sent December 7, 2020
        Gilbert Drive in Evansdale and it was his mom he lived with. I don’t know what model his car was just that it was at the crushers but someone smelled a rotten odor but it was cleared by fbi
        XXXXX sent December 7, 2020
        He was cleared
        XXXXXX sent December 7, 2020
        Now he is dead

        December 7, 2020
        I know but I am not convinced. Maybe the FBI didn’t have enough information. I see Rydell is a dealer in Waterloo where he got the car. Easy to get VIN, get crusher’s records, date, etc. I am driving to Evansdale to get the house numbers in that block because I cannot figure out his mom’s name. I am sure it’s not Fitz. So do you know the name of the crusher and how did he Fitz die? Do you recall where you learned all of this? I also wonder, since he had so many meth/drug busts if that is related? There is too much here for the FBI to clear him. They could not have known all of this.

        XXXXXX sent December 7, 2020
        I don’t know her name I will be in Evansdale Wednesday
        You sent December 7, 2020
        Ok, do you think you can catch that house number? I may drive up and look at all that other stuff next week.

        XXXX sent December 7, 2020
        I see it was on the news and in the paper back when Fitz just died this spring. They can get his mom’s DNA, grandma’s DNA, and from other relatives. They have the girl’s DNA I am sure and if the did a good investigation they kept personal items of the girls. His DNA can be on them and their bodies. They can exhume all three of them. And just what ARE they doing with any DNA they have?

  339. Larry L Kofoed says:

    To this day it bothers me, I was the last busboy to leave that Monday night and was never questioned by anyone if I had seen anything out of the normal. I knew John and Paul was my boss and I found out about the shooting the next day when I went through the lunch line at high school.

    • Tina Fintel says:

      Hi Larry! I’m Tina, Paul Rayer’s granddaughter. I can’t believe they didn’t ask you any questions. Wow! The whole thing has bothered me as well. So frustrating, and sad. Wish I could’ve had the time with him😢.

  340. Jodi shondel says:

    I can’t help but think that this girl and my aunt’s deaths are connected. My aunt shelia harrison age 20 was found dead face down on a road in 1968 in webster county the man she was with was a sales man from ames.

    • Sydney says:

      Hi Jodi,
      My name is Sydney Novak and I am a student journalist working on an investigative project at Iowa State University. I would love to hear any insight you have about your aunts case. I think any insight you have would be really impactful for my project and I would appreciate it so much.

  341. Annie says:

    Jody, do you know if anyone ever looked at the possibility of Roger’s case being connected to the disappearances of John Gosch, Eugene Martin, and/or Marc Wilson?

  342. CoverUp? says:

    Why is the Shirley Carter link down? Her case is definitely not solved and the page should be up.

  343. carolkean says:

    Former pro boxer says he knew his longtime friend killed James Booher —
    Robert Bleakley testifies at trial of Matthew Robbins in Cedar Rapids
    By: Trish Mehaffey Apr. 22, 2021

    …..Bleakley admitted he had lied to a grand jury hearing evidence in Booher’s slaying because Robbins had told him he’d be in “a lot of trouble” if he told what he knew. Bleakley said he and Robbins had been friends for more than 30 years. He didn’t want to testify at Robbins’ trial but he did because it has been “horrible” living with what he knew for seven years. Andrew Shaw also testified Robbins admitted to killing Booher while they both were housed in the Iowa County Jail in Marengo.

    Shaw said he told Robbins he knew what had happened to Booher but that Robbins at first denied it.

    Later, when they were watching a television news report on Booher, Robbins said, “Yeah, I did it, but you already know the truth.”

    Shaw was convicted last year of running a large marijuana trafficking ring that supplied marijuana to Chris Bagley and the two men charged with killing Bagley over drug robberies from Shaw.

    Comments: (319) 398-8318; trish.mehaffey@thegazette.com

  344. Angie says:

    Lost site of him for less of a min, between 3 and 4? Maybe he ventured off into the countryside by Alton. Hopefully the police checked there to. ❤️

  345. peter mayr says:

    HOLLY GOTZ ?? serious ?? Holy Gods is making a very silly but simple joke I would say ..

  346. Bob Stika says:

    She is buried behind the tavern building at 206 N. Linn St. in Iowa City,no doubt.

  347. anon says:

    Patrick D. Baird died in 2004.
    Jerry Wintz died in 1999.
    Stephen Woodcock died in 2007.
    David Graham died in 2014.
    Frank Sykora died last year.
    Wilbur Millhouse died in 2015.

  348. Erika Parr says:

    I was reading this and realized that there had to be more than one murderer and if not why didn’t anyone hear? Especially those in the same room. The oldest guest did have defensive wounds on her body and while she was fighting off the attacker, did she scream? Why didn’t others hear? If the two guests were killed last how come they didn’t hear anyone else scream? Even if all were asleep. You would of had to hear the ax.

    • Jim Farrell says:

      My first reaction when hearing about this. It has been stated that the first blows rendered all victims practically motionless so I wouldn’t be surprised to hear it made them inaudible as well, if only long enough for the second blow. Fortunately we can not test this theory.
      Still I can’t imagine a killer EXPECTING no one to make a sound as they attempt to kill 8 people. And this brings up the questions:
      1. Was only one person the intended victim?
      2. If so then who was killed first?
      After watching “Villisca: Living With A Mystery” I’ve come to the conclusion that it was a psychopath/serial killer. Most probably Henry Lee Moore.
      If any one specific person was the victim then it appears they could have easily committed the deed and left but to go after 8 people in 3 different rooms and on 2 different levels tells me that all of them were intended to die.
      I can’t state it enough. WATCH THAT MOVIE
      So many repetitive questions here a answered in it PLUS you learn so much more. A GREAT documentary.

      • Jason J Knudsen says:

        I would love to know if there is anything left that was collected from the crime scene. As big of a case that this was nationaly you would think they might have some left. As we all too well now know, when you have a scene this bloddy and physical, the murderer most likey left some of himself at the scene along with his victim. If evidence still existed it would be a great chance to see what these experts we have today could maybe find…….just a thought

  349. Dan says:

    If I remember there was something about a car that she had sold to someone for a very cheap price, and there was cigarettes butt’s in the toilet
    It’s still very sad

  350. Kelly Wyman says:

    was this the same Lybarger – his father is listed as Steve….

    Zachary A. Lybarger, age 43, of Council Bluffs, passed away April 13, 2021 at CHI-Mercy Hospital.

    Zach was born June 10, 1977 in Omaha, Nebraska. He was a CNA.

    Zach was preceded in death by his wife, Misty Lybarger; son, Nickales Bywater; father, Steve Lybarger and his grandmother, Mary Lou Schroder.

  351. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    We don’t want to scar them for the rest of their lives. I mean someone fired shots in th o her residence and did not care if they killed her, the boyfriend, or the three kids. So, having their picture on billboard claiming they may be involved with her murder, will make them feel ashamed

    Although they may have fled the area, to avoid being asked about their possible involvement in the murder of another person. What difference does it make, to quote a former Secretary if State in regards to the murder of four of her employees.

  352. Sherman Hill says:

    There are ppl of interest in this case that has left state but I don’t see Why there pictures are not being showed on billboards like the other Cold cases All murders deserve the same attention

    • layla says:

      This is such a recent case too, in comparison to some of the others, it would be amazing if more attention could be brought to her murder so it would have a better chance to being solved.

  353. Bill Entrikin says:

    Ashley was murdered in Dallas County, not Polk County. Please correct this error.

    • Bill Entrikin says:

      I want to add this was probably a two-tap hit, meaning it was a professional job. Chest, then head. This does not suggest stalker or a random act of violence. If someone close to her was involved, the murder would have been much more messy. Ashley was probably targeted because of the company she worked for, and that should be the focus of the investigation.

      I believe the killer wanted to stoke fear into realtors working for the company and/or realtors working in the same area. The instant reaction by the company to protect its employees suggests that someone within the company knew the reason for this senseless crime

      Real estate deals gone bad can motivate a crazy bastard to commit a horrible crime like this. Focus on motive law enforcement, and you will solve this crime.

  354. He was the science teacher there before Kathleen Hartung.

  355. LakeLife says:

    Praying the truth comes out!
    Clearly the person in the brown pick up truck was stealing.
    Did he come back & Mr. Reed confronted him?!
    Is this why he was attacked & murdered?
    Police should try looking at brown colored trucks in that area at that time.
    Praying for justice!

  356. LakeLife says:

    Two of the four people involved in this are now dead.
    God will be their judge but there are still two others who need to be prosecuted!
    Doris needs to be exhumed & a murder investigation needs to take place!

    • Patti Fox says:

      Hoping Mr. Hildebrand and Jody Ewing are both well, Bless them. Please go to Readers’ Favorite website / You will find a
      recent review on the Book by Ruth Forrest Glenn, JUGGERNAUT
      Jule Sturzenegger (Loy) Gray, and Robert Rolfe should step up and own
      what they know and did that night/weekend as they complete the 4 people involved in Elaine’s death and coverup. Lake Life above is absolutely right! There are still 2 people living to answer for at least themselves and their illegal participation

  357. Melanie Wood says:

    She only had $20. Killed for $20. A 90 yr old woman. POS COWARD!

  358. Melanie Wood says:

    To do this to this sweet elderly helpless woman. A widow for 15 yrs. Legally blind. Small. She must have been terrified. Emma, You will be avenged. Whoever did this is a COWARD AND YOU WILL PAY! DON’T THINK YOU WON’T. YOU DESERVE THE WORST!!!!

  359. Melanie Wood says:

    IMO it was someone he trusted. With 75 weapons around. I can’t see it wasn’t.

  360. Melanie Wood says:

    I really don’t understand how or why anyone would want to hurt an elderly woman. But the criminal minder, They don’t have a conscious. They feel no empathy. No remorse. That’s how they can sleep at night.

  361. Melanie Wood says:

    He was released only to kill again. Typical of the justice system. More rights for the criminal and not for victims and future victums.

  362. Jeri Klein says:

    I just re-read Aaron Pate’s sad story. It’s awful that he has never been located. I know what his brother, Ian, has shared and that’s it. I cannot imagine the emotional toll that the surviving family members have endured including the tragic and senseless loss of their sister.
    I shared a few of my thoughts a few years ago and I also identified who i am.
    I was pretty surprised that some of the responders had choice opinions about me. But, they chose to hide behind their initials and acronyms.
    I still love my town. I have, however, become involved in several groups looking to better our town. Anyone who has felt out cast or not welcome is very welcome to join any group they wish and become part of the solution. It is difficult to put yourself out there sometimes, I’ve been there so I know.
    I certainly apologize to anyone who felt I was blaming them for not being accepted. That was never my intent.
    The original post was about Aaron Pate and I hope and pray that wherever he is, he is at peace. And, i hope his family has some sense of peace in their lives as they have had to live their lives without him.

    • KJ says:

      I agree… this is no place for commenting on the pros/cons of Keota, IA.
      I stumbled upon this site online after finding nothing at the local library.
      I have since started a blog and it’s gaining momentum.
      I had no idea a tiny little town in the middle of nowhere Iowa had so many secrets to keep.
      If I learn anything significant from my blog, I will definitely share it here for the family of the missing…

  363. Mason Mixdorf says:

    thank you

  364. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I wonder if her family knows the identity of the ex-boyfriend. It would be nice to know, if he ever been investigated by the police. She complains to police that she is being bothered by him. Then she disappears, it would make me put him at the top of the list, to be looked at real hard.

    I wonder if any other of his former girlfriends are missing.

    • Denise says:

      I believe he was questioned, but because they didn’t find a body or evidence he was let go. -her granddaughter

  365. Terri Rudsell says:

    Wow I’m reading all these comments about myself. You people have never heard my side of this. Did you know that Hal Snedeker knew how the victims were killed before the autopsy ever proved what happened? Of course not because you’re all too quick to judge people. There are so many liescout there and you have no fucking clue what I found in Hal and Linda Snedekers interviews. Bet you didn’t know that he has no alibi for that night. He has 50 plus inconsistencies in his interviews and 3 different. Stories about where he was. AND YOU FUCKERS WANT TO CALL ME A LIAR? He also told my daughter that wasn’t now the murders were supposed to have happened.. I can prove Hal was involved. All I need is for someone to do my story.AND ANOTHER THING— I did not roll Steve’s arm up in a car door, Melisa did. It happened in the 3 speed he had and I still to this day cannot drive one. Ask Patty Hilpipre, she’s the one who told me what actually happened. She was Melisas friend. Steve was ripping off Hal for drugs and was going to turn states evidence on him in court, but he died before he had the chance.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      Teri, it’s nice of you to come clean of sorts. However, the victims were murdered in 1983. You have had over 37 years to tell your story, and point at someone else. I guess you could not find an attorney to represent you when you could have provided the statement you just elaborated.

      This reminds me that the family in Columbus, Ohio protected their uncle and brother because they allegedly were afriad6to rat him out for a murder he committed. After he was dead, did kind of come clean after a journalist started digging.

      I assume Hal, will come clean also, and point the finger st someone else

    • Daniel Thomas Gomez says:

      Terri yeah it made no sense to me either why they waited 31 years and let a Cold Case journalist talk them into bringing charges against you without any new evidence. Seemed kind of weird that if they were aware of possible drug dealings going on at the CDR that they didn’t bust them awhile ago. Make me wonder if he (Hal) was some confidential informant himself or was just a drug dealer that left Florida before it became to hot for him. And if they seemed to know that Steve was involved in drug dealing why they didn’t follow up on that further. Seemed like they just naturally assumed it was the so called criminal Supino family. Well hopefully you can get your story out and maybe they will get their act together in Newton & do some real police work. Best of luck and tell Tim I said hi. If he is still in Newton I will have to look him up next time I am there.

    • Daniel Thomas Gomez says:

      Well hopefully you can get your story heard and maybe even published Terry. Hopefully people will stop trying to pass judgement without all the facts. Sounds like it would be quite a compelling read if you where able to get your story published. Possibly start off with some background on you. Steve Fisher and the owner of the Copper Dollar Ranch. And for those that don’t believe drug hits can be brutal just look at MIAMI, FL in the 80’s . Out of control and brutal murders everyday. They used brutality to make a point. Enough said

  366. Barbara says:

    This needs to be solved now.

  367. Anonymous says:

    Unblemished hope!

  368. howled09 says:

    What place was she last seen?

  369. Donald Garney says:

    Hello,my name is Donald Garney. And i am trying to find anybody that may remember or help me to find info on a homicide in webster city iowa. My Grandmother was remaried to a man with the last name Daniels, or McDaniels who murdered her and hid her body in a shed, being found weeks later. He had struck her in the head with a hammer and left her to choke on her own blood. Sorry for the detail, but ive tried everything. Hopeing now maybe someone in the earea may remember hearing about it in the news. My mother was raised in a orphanage at a very young age due to this, and has recently passed. If someone ,anybody can help?. Victims name Erma or Irma, Jane or Jean, McDaniel or Daniel murdered in webster city iowa, hamilton county or calhoun county, in 1960’s . Maiden name (carlson) . Thank you. And GODBLESS.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      Donald, I recommend an online search for information related to her murder. Also, contacting the local library, they may have newspapers from that time period they could check.

      Another option, would be to see if their might be a Webster City Historica Society. The murder would have been big news and they might have some records.

      Also, I would assume that maybe the local county would have some trial records, if there was an arrest and court hearing. Those records hopefully would be resource.

  370. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    The few details claims she took a Greyhound bus from Texss to visit her father in Davenport. Yet, we have no information or proof, she even reached Davenport, or Iowa period. Then we hear that she might have been missing since 1980 and not 1982.

    Where is Sgt. Joe Friday, who asks for the facts and speculation. Can we get some more facts of when she left wherever in Texas.

    I wonder, if this was a spur of the moment visit or a planned trip. If it was a planned trip, did she have a suitcase. How long was she going to be in Iowa. We don’t where she started, if she made it out of Texas, crossed any state borders or decide to runaway.

  371. Teresa Handy says:

    prayers family gets answers to Mervin, someone knows something and pray their consious will get to them

  372. Melanie Wood says:

    It’s very unfortunate this man chose that way of life.But that gives no one the right to kill him. However people that deal with meth ruin other people’s lives. Let it be someone else. Don’t deal. Don’t take it. It’s a terrible road.

  373. Pamela Constable says:

    I believe now DNA, will give this baby the known Mother.

  374. Shannon Hardin says:

    He was my Husband

  375. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    Chad, I wonder if your father was a veteran. I notice that was homeless when he disappeared. Many homeless are veterans dealing with various mental health or other issues related to military service.

    If he is a veteran, then the authorities should reach out to the Veterans Administration to see, if he has visited any VA Medical Centers since his disappearance. The VA can’t release any medical condition stuff.

  376. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I notice there is no mention of any forensic evidence recovered. There should have been something between the burglary and his murder. Also, no mention if they got a description of the intruder that Smith encountered.

    I would guess that the offender Smith encountered may have been a drug addict. I wonder if the rifle was ever recovered. Also, if local pawn shops to see if the stolen property were ever taken to them.

  377. Stay Strong! says:

    I’d recommend watching the People Magazine Investigates episode on Tammy’s case. It was a good and informative watch,

    All signs sure point to Lonnie Bierbrodt it appears from my perspective. The authorities did render an opinion on him and a few others. I want to spoil for anybody who plans on watching the segment.

  378. Tamara Morrow says:

    My little sister.

  379. Melanie Wood says:

    Bruce. What a great tattoo. A wonderful tribute to your son. Bless you sir.

  380. Melanie Wood says:

    I believe the evidence speaks for itself and the people or person involved.

  381. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I was wondering if there was any explanation for tut he tattoo of the words “Soriano” bring tattooed on her neck. Aside understand it certain tattoos in prison indicates that the person belongs to a particular gang.

    It could be a name of a family member, or maybe someone she was dating. It might be something to explore, as it might have made her a target. As being a gang member found hanging around on another gang’s turf.

  382. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I find it interesting that there was no mention of the police finding any fingerprints. Also, in regards to the .25 caliber firearm found at the scene. It would appear that it belonged to the victim. But, it not exactly identified as his. Which makes me wonder if the laundromat had ever been robbed before. This might explain Mr. Hill’s possible need to carry a weapon.

    Also, he was stabbed 21 times, which would possibly point to someone bring extremely angry with him. Also, he was shot once. But, the authorities did not identify the caliber of the bullet. I might assume he was shot with the .25 caliber. But, it is an assumption.

  383. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    In regards to the suggestion of Timothy Jay Vafeades being involved. It appears that he kept his victims captive. Lonnie Bierbodt, makes a better suspect, for the following reasons:

    He lived close to where her body was found. He was visiting family, who lived close to where she first disappeared. The blanket she was wrapped up in had a Kenworth logo on it. He drove a Kenworth truck. Also, the musical watch. Also, he sold his truck within days of her being found.

    However, all this is circumstantial evidence. It appears that the authorities most likely did not handle the processing of evidence properly. The processing of the crime scene is very important, this includes maintaining a proper chain of custody, as it is passed along to crime labs.

    The two guys caught and charged in the kidnapping and murder of Bobby Frank’s, in 1920’s Chicago, were caught because of a pair of eyeglasses found where his body was dumped. It turned the eyeglass frame was something new from the eyeglass company Almer & Coe. It turned only three people in the Chicago area, had eyeglasses with those new frames.

    Also, Colonel Goddard, MD, U.S. Army Reserve, was brought in by Cook County Coroner Jury, to process the St. Valentine Day massacre. He found that two Thompson sub machine guns had been used. One had a 50 round drum magazine and the other had a straight 20 round magazine.

    Both weapons were found in the residence of Fred “Killer” Burke, in St. Joseph. He also shot and killed a policeman, who was assigned to investigate a vehicle accident Burke was involved in.

  384. Gayl Elliott says:

    I worked with Mattie Lou also as a teacher’s aide back in 1976-1977. She was always really kind to me and all of the students. I’ve never forgotten her and have always hoped that we would know what happened. Her family should know she is still loved by me and many.

  385. cvz says:

    MIKED-its my understanding she was alone when last seen leaving place “a” to place “b” and I don’t think she was actually reported missing until day or days later.

  386. Mr. Ben says:

    My theory is she left the bar at closing time (or perhaps a little before) and passed out in her car. Both her keys and money were found in the car suggesting Crystal was in the car before she went missing.

    But I also think the car moved and whoever moved her car took advantage of the fact she was passed out/intoxicated, and took her somewhere and removed her from the car before returning it to the parking spot.

    So the kind of evidence this case needs is proving Crystal was in the backseat or passenger seat of her car and proof someone else was driving. Considering the circumstances and suspects I don’t think they’d gone very far. Five miles maybe. 20 minutes total round trip. The car is gone maybe a total of half an hour to forty five minutes depending on what he/they did. Her car moving suggests two people if they are heading out of town, but returning the car to the parking lot suggests a suspect who lives more locally or someone who needs to be back at the bar to establish an alibi.

    Also something to consider: last seen 2am bar time? (bars tend to set their clocks a half hour so they close by 2am with no patrons inside the bar as is the law) or 2am real time when the bar is supposed to be closed with no patrons? Now I don’t know if Knickers sets its clocks a half-hour fast, but it is something to consider when we put a timeline together to pinpoint the time and place someone last saw Crystal and match that up with a suspect.

  387. Krystal ficken says:

    This was my big brother and I will always love and miss him. He has a younger brother Anthony who just had a son last year. He named him Chris after his brother. If anybody has any pictures or anything of my brothers I will be willing to drive from where I’m at to where you’re at to grab it for my nephew and my brother. We just want answers as to what happened that night.

  388. Katie says:

    Why wasn’t her boyfriend at the time considered a suspect?

  389. LakeLife says:

    From what the family is saying on here it was Uncle Roy who is now dead.
    If that’s so then justice will be done in Heaven.
    So sad & sick!

  390. LakeLife says:

    If he confessed to it I feel they could have at least followed up on it!
    So sad that they both were murdered!
    Praying for justice!

  391. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I wonder who asked her to hold a gun for them. Also, her ex-husband was doing time. I am concerned about this guy Smith, who is a drug counselor after serving time with her ex-husband at the age of 22.

    I think that with her husband being in prison, that she would shy away from holding a gun for someone. She lucked out and got probation. However, her mentioning that she was bring possibly asked to be an informant put her life at risk.

  392. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    Audrey, you suggest a connection to the murder of Teresa Sue Hilt. However, in Teresa’s case, she was beaten, raped, strangled, and stabbed. Also, the blood at the crime scene was cleaned up, and her body covered with a sheet.

    In Judith’s case, she died from blunt force trauma. The crime scene was different. The only apparent connection was that they were both college students. But Teresa was working on a graduate degree.

    I disagree with the thought on Teresa’s case, that the offender was a female. This assumption is based on the cleaning of the crime scene and her body covered with the sheet. A good profiler would look at the crime scene, and explain why it most likely was a male offender.

    I wonder if the police ever identified the guy, who was harassing her.

  393. LakeLife says:

    I think they need to revisit this Richard guy. He’s a cheat & I think there’s more to this story. Also, if they can get a DNA sample from the baby I feel like that’s going to help too.

  394. Kelly Verdoorn says:

    I miss my granny,,, I didn’t get the to spend a lot of time with her as an adult. I loved watching and betting on baseball with grandma. Grandma, I love and miss you

  395. Russ Heiser says:


    I’m Bot Cplumbp

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  396. Russ Heiser says:

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  397. Russ Heiser says:


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  398. Russ Heiser says:

    Anyone Mention NEW TIRE PURCHASE Time Frame Area on BEFORE Jiuu 1at 1984? Could be Indication PLANNED ROAD Trip Especially “Harry” Lighlty saod to Associate tho “Good Mood” at time I Read Ï might Disappear

  399. Russ Heiser says:

    Iowa Known Hunting Country

    Harry? 21 at time. ANY ^Registered WEAPONS?

    Understand Mentioned YOU San Diego Marines. May not of Discussed.

    I O PERATED NCIC at a Point Out of Hawaii.

    “Dad”mention Harry lost or Stolen Weapons?

    Might be INTERESTING RERUN NCIC see ANYTHING Surfaced since

    ReRegistered> Mught be of Interest Interview, Coulf been thru “Lot”Hands”by NOW,

    or ANY Lost Stolen Property REPORTED from AVERY HOME 1984? May be REPORT on file. May NOT MENTIONED to YOU.

  400. Russ Heiser says:

    Mark Mllligan

    If ANYONE Should have Idea, You May. What type routine Harry have Mornings. Especially Breafast. Bpwl Wheaties at Home? Maybe Favorite Local Dinner? Cute Waitress ect.

    Idle Chit Chat with waitress even not Dating can Reveal a lot. Harry BROKE Routine reveals some type Reason, OBVIOUS as NOT RETURNING Home. One thing your looking FOR. If Frequented Paticular Dinner Still around?(Waitress Somewhere.Example Yes Harry seemed Nervous or Out Place. Mentioned had to go INTO Ksnsas City(Example Only)
    21 and $1800(maybe) or so $. Ever mention an Adventure or Trip Wanted to do?
    Thought read Harry made “Light”talk”Disappearing after Poker game in Square. One of his Associates. Was he Laughing after REMARK. Understood SEEMED good Mood.

    College Military Base ect OBVIOUS.

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  401. Russ Heiser says:

    Harrys Incident

    Broght to THOUGHT
    Wikipedia Traffic Cameta Enforcement”The Harry Projecr”” Per Say

    National BULLETUN put Out

    Hpld ONTO All Box of OLD Traffic Enforcemrnt Photos For Cold Cases

    Especially DATED Ect

    Yes its a “harry””Project” Narrow DOWN a Missing Person Date APPOX TIME

    Any Courthouse REPORTS Avaiable ect Photos PUBLIC Intrest Research

    Even IF Only ONE Case Resolved? Yes Long Shot

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  402. Russ Heiser says:

    Wikipedia On LINE Ubformation Service

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    If NOT THIS CASE Open for Would ne Sleuths

  403. Shirley Courtois says:


  404. LakeLife says:

    It was clearly the father in law!
    How disgusting!!
    They are all passed away now.
    I hope there is piece for Gary & his wife now.

  405. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice for her!

  406. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice for both of these men!

  407. Dylan Oldenburger says:

    I think these men were murdered by the same person and because I can tell by themselves right now

  408. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice!

  409. Julie Spotted Eagle Horse Martineau says:

    Toni was my hunska (adopted) sister, and I spoke to her two days before her murder. I have NEVER been interviewed by DCI, although I have volunteered to numerous times. She told me some things about what were going on, and that have bearing on the case. I do believe that the young man’s death and Toni’s are connected, and that DCI dropped the ball on her case.
    To them, she is just another dirty NdN/Latina, and her life wasn’t worth anything to them. I wish that we could have some closure for the family, and for the Tiyospiya who loved her. Eric’s family deserves closure as well.

  410. Daniel Gomez says:

    Well I graduated with both Tim and Terry Supino from Newton High School. I was friends with Tim Supino since Junior High at Berg. Was even over to his house a few times. Didn’t see anything out of the ordinary with the family. I didn’t really know Terri that well, but she seemed ok. And as far as if she killed them I have no idea. Them being out there the night they were killed would automatically put them on the suspect list. Now during the Cold Case interview Tim had said he told his sister they had to let the cops know that they had been out to the Ranch earlier in the night. Now why would he do that if he was guilty? Why not just let it ride and not say a thing. Evidently there was nothing discovered at the crime scene indicating they had been out there. As well I am sure that the police checked their vehicles for blood and evidence since it sounded pretty brutal. Also, to state it was definitely a crime of passion and not a drug hit I beg to differ. There has been many cases of drug hits being very brutal with beatings and even cutting people up. It all depends upon the message trying to be sent. They can even be up close and personal as well. And if it is true they have an unidentified Male DNA they could trace it utilizing new method that they used to convict the Golden State Serial killer in CA. It enables them to tie Genetic DNA to known families which normally match to 98% or so and get to the bottom of who was there. They have definitely come a long way with DNA testing.
    As far as the trial goes remember the jurors have to find them guilty without a doubt. Just here say and conjecture does not make a case. The inability to find any physical evidence is very damaging to the case they made. Especially 31 years later? You would have thought they would have left behind some clue or piece of evidence to tie her to the murder. Or used newer methods to look over and test the evidence they kept. While crime scene methods were not as good back then especially for a small town I am sure they could have brought in other agencies for help. And for those blasting people for defending the people they know IE family members and friends I would defend my family to the utmost of my being even if I knew they did something wrong. You can call me evil or whatever I could care less, but family is family period. Don’t berate me for defending my family. I can definitely tell there is a lot of emotion surrounding this case so it is understandable. But the bottom line is she went to trial and was found “Not Guilty” by a jury so unless they come up with some New evidence then she should be left alone. Besides I am sure a lot of us have said things in a fit of anger that are very damning. I don’t understand why they waited 31 years to bring it to trial. Seems to me that even back then they determined they didn’t have enough evidence back then to go to trial and what they had was just circumstantial at best. Well hopefully all involved can get on with their lives and leave it all behind as best they can. Hopefully some day the truth will come out and everyone can move on. Best of luck.

  411. A Martin says:

    Toni knew what happened and who killed Eric, that’s why they made her disappear and quickly. I don’t know why more isn’t being said about the Anderson family – or what she found out happened in the Anderson home that night Eric was shot. She was concerned and wasn’t accepting the fluff answer that authorities and other’s close to the situation were giving to the public. Following her death, all neighbors should have been equally concerned as SHE WAS or even more-so, but where did we see that? The Keokuk PD put out the false impression that they were trying to investigate when they accused her boyfriend Lewis Greer but did not have evidence. Either way, if I am not mistaken – I believe he has now passed away as of March of last year (2020).

    Shouldn’t it be mentioned that the Anderson family in one way or another now has at LEAST 10 different lots in their name surrounding the two crime scenes? There are no neighbors to “find anything,” let alone witnesses since 10 different lots and a number of the homes in those few blocks are owned by different members of the Anderson family this can easily be verified to this day – this wasn’t long ago. Who’s concerned that two murders happened in two days on the same block? I know I sure would be if my entire family lived up and down the street – even if it was in 1999.

    Eric’s homicide still being accepted as an ‘accident’ after what happened to Toni after she started to talk about the details of what happened are such an obvious cover up. I am sorry but the hush hush KPD does not have a reputation of being honest or straightforward, just look at how they treated the family of Theresa Lund after her disappearance and murder and I quote – “well it looks like she finally left you” to Terry Bell her fiance at the time before she was found dead. I think anyone who knows Keokuk even a little has story or knows someone with a story about the crooked police, it’s not exactly a secret in Lee County or Iowa for that matter.

    What kind of condition is Toni’s house in now vs. then? Why weren’t Eric’s friends at the Anderson’s house more forthcoming about the tragic incident? If this happened in your home to a ‘guest’ wouldn’t you be doing so much more to remember that person and talking about what could have been done differently? If your family/extended family owned at least 10 city-lots with two tragic deaths – (one a confirmed murder and another that IS supposed as murder) – wouldn’t you be doing so much more to encourage police investigation and to improve a neighborhood that you supposedly ‘cherish’ and own? Who’s muffling the squealers around there?

    The biggest problem here, and it’s sad I have to point this out – is that Toni and Eric didn’t get the investigation they deserve. Toni’s case was a quick distraction to shut everyone up. Eric was never investigated fully either let alone as a murder. The shoulder shrug lip service was ‘stick with the gun loading accident.’ More investigation needs to be done for Dolores. An ACTUAL investigation needs to be done for Eric. This was not a long time ago and the answer is definitely out there.

    I would also like to mention, Keokuk is not a place that changes – the answer is out there like it’s yesterday.

    Family and friends should be enraged, not defensive. Not investigating Eric’s death as a murder is truly the crime happening here. Both cases would unfold rather quickly.

  412. Russ Heiser says:

    Mark Milligan

    Only Very Brief on Automated Traffic Control Records

    Your Case Supreme Court? Imagine Extensive Research.

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    If EVEN still around Micro Can Imagine Dust

  413. Russ Heiser says:

    Interesting Note

    Mark Milligan saw Supreme Court Case you Lost on Automated Red Light Ticket around 2016.
    Automated Traffic Control was in USE all the way Back to 1972.
    Saw not Public Record.
    May be why Harrys Headlight Incident Not RECORD. Just Newspaper.Sometimes MICRO Taped placed In Box Stotage, Lil Dusty by NOW
    LE may have access if FILED X # Years. Sometimes Do May NIP Harrys Ticket ISSUE in the Bud.

  414. Lisa says:

    I’m not an expert by any means but I have been a domestic violence advocate for 15 years. The personal nature of Pat’s murder points to someone close to her. Some marriages aren’t as happy as they seem from the outside. I’m sorry to all of Pat’s family and friends. I know how hard this must be, no matter how much time passes.

  415. A.C. Ab says:

    It’s an open secret in North Iowa that the police killed Jodi and have been aggressively covering it up for 25 years. Anyone who looks into it gets heavy retaliation from the police and sees their lives ruined or ended suspiciously.

    At this point, there’s no one left to get justice for in this case. Jodi’s dead, her mom’s dead, and the silenced witnesses are dead. MCPD remains a bastion of corruption and cronyism.

    No justice, just us.

  416. CM says:

    Husband did it. Two thoughts. 1) Based on Bill’s comment about finding out that Jason had an affair, he said ‘We (he and Shirley) did something wrong’. That is a comment based on morality. He felt there was a failure on their part in raising Jason. As a moral man, he may have believed he could do no wrong, and place the blame entirely on his wife. This also sounds familiar with the reports that Bill was a very controlling husband. 2) Where’s the rifle? Husband claims the son hid the rifle somewhere on the property, and retrieved it later to get rid of it. Couldn’t the husband do the exact same thing? Husband had more opportunity to get ride of the gun along the stretch of roads during his traveling to sell the grain. Or on his return. 3) Spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to investigate the son is a sign of deflection/guilt. He essentially blamed the son for the death of his wife, because he thought it was her fault that their son had an affair. And 4) most important. It is HIGHLY unlikely that a son who just murdered his mother in cold blood would EVER touch her body to carefully place her hands crossed over her chest
    THAT is something that a husband/lover/significant other would do. Basically placing a loved one “at rest’. Jmho

  417. Connie Lathrop says:

    Someone knows something!!!! Please let her family get peace!!!

  418. MikeD says:

    Too bad there isn’t more information out there. When was the last time he was seen alive? Was he employed at the time? Was that a normal apartment or the kind of place made available to Eagle’s Lodge members going through hard times?

  419. Kennedy says:

    What really bothers me about this case is that it just doesn’t make any sense. First of all, there were 10 other duplexes where she lived and no one heard anything at a time when people are regularly home? The fact that her phone lines were cut doesn’t make sense for it to be just a simple robbery gone wrong especially when there are no signs of forced entry and nothing of note was missing. the fact that she was murdered between 6:00 and 6:30pm, where it would be light outside and there is a higher chance of beeing seen. Also the fact that the medical examiner said that she only had “slight” signs of a struggle just does not make sense. Paired with thte fact that there were no signs of forced entry it makes it seem like she knew the person who killed her. Apparently her husbands alibi checked out. Could it have been someone from her work or school that followed her home? Was the murder weapon ever recovered? Why were the clothes she was wearing described but not much else was? Why was the husband immediatly cleared in the origional DesMoines register article that announced her death? that just doesn’t seem normal to be like “This woman was killed, but her husband didn’t do it!” There are just so many questions

    • JP Miller says:

      To answer Kennedy directly… Lack of neighbor observation is a little troubling. A re-interview of neighbors after this many years might allay the usual fear of getting involved and anyone who did see something may have tired of guilt over failing to speak up.
      The cut lines are also troubling. It was never clear whether the lines were cut outside or inside the home. That alone would make a difference in the timeline and motivation. What kind of tool was used? Was a tool found? I can tell the difference between scissors, knife and wire cutters for example. Outside wires would be harder to cut.
      Second or third hand hearsay shortly after the murder from people who rode with her indicated her husband was at work at a shipper’s sorting facility at the time of the murder and could not have traveled in the available time. Further hearsay was that he had called home twice during that time. Once the phone was picked up but no one answer and later the phone was busy. Since both of these are hearsay I would rather see the police reports than rely on it. I would think police would have checked phone records at work and would also have checked whether her husband could have arranged a killing.
      We know none of this, so anything one might conclude about the murder is pure speculation. What is needed for any further progress is a lot more information, information the police are unlikely to release.
      The detective who interviewed me was interested in her contacts, potential extra marital interests and friends among those who commuted with her to school. I knew of no liaisons and had heard no rumors but I provided lists and schedules of those who rode with her. My job was to maintain the schedules for the commuter club. If they followed up with those people it could be as many as 5 people each way for each day of the week she rode or drove. I got no feedback or contact from police after that interview. Further hearsay indicated she rode back from school in an earlier car which was a common practice in the club. Even more people would have to be interviewed.
      In most cases I’ve gotten the impression police are rather exhaustive in interviewing potential contacts in murder cases.
      I wonder whether any physical evidence such as her clothing were preserved that could be checked for DNA. That might be helpful, much more so if it were found on a weapon or on wire cutters or the phone or wire themselves.
      Yes, there are many questions that we in the public cannot begin to help answer. Especially after so many years, it would be good for the police to release information to a limited review team to get fresh eyes on it, but not wholesale publication. I am sure police are and all of us should be concerned about wild speculation and life destroying false accusations that can go viral on the internet. It is so easy for people to gen up hysteria regarding totally innocent people on flimsy, incorrect or even false evidence and literally destroy their lives. The Atlanta bombing and the drowning of Elissa Lam are two that come to mind.
      It is also possible the police know exactly who killed Mary but are unable to prove it with enough evidence to convict. Perhaps they know but that person is serving a long prison sentence already. Perhaps they know but the person is dead. Perhaps the person is avoiding prosecution overseas. Releasing information could jeopardize future prosecution or foil plans to capture that person. Releasing information they can’t yet prove can expose them to defamation lawsuits etc.
      I got a hint from what Kennedy wrote that he may suspect some kind of cover up. Unanswered questions about how quickly the husband was cleared are not evidence of malfeasance. They are simply unanswered questions.

  420. Jack MeHoff says:

    Clinton Iowa has the most cold case deaths in Iowa. Very sad

  421. Jodyh says:

    Why aren’t the physical addresses mentioned? Maybe the evidence is still around like the gun? Sorry for your losses🙏🏻.. Kpd threw me in jail with a broken jaw and I had a T.BI. Didn’t care if I died in Lee County…

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      It depends how they handled it. Also, they may not want to reveal wh as they have. Although they may have used it to try and convict her boyfriend. However, they may not want to spend the money to retest something unless it might provide an investigative lead.

  422. Malissa L McGregor says:

    Thanks for sharing that touching story sounds close to mine I’m aka Seville

  423. Dave says:

    What is Keokuk Police doing? There were comments from Toni after his death?

  424. Babydoll says:

    I knew this family years ago, his son Dovey, Big Earl, Earl JR, Andre.
    Dovey helped me survive in 1984-1989,do to my parents kicking me out , being molested, and lots of other factors, not having anywhere to go.
    The best advice they gave me was, you can play a victim all your life, or you can be strong and be a survivor, because life is hard.
    Sugar Bear helped me when Dovey and I had a falling out, and tried to make it right.

    Years later I seen Sugar Bear, he asked me why I left the family, we had a conversation, I explained and he told me no matter what, he’d always thought of me as family, I genuinely feeI the same. I know, Sugar Bear wasn’t the most examplillary person, but him and Dovey did have good advice.
    Another piece of his advice was, if I’m asking you something, I already know the answer, so yours better be right.

    He will live on , through his family and friends.
    He always was hustling, trying to make a dollar, make more than what he grew up with.
    He gave shelter to alot of people, at Hollywood Hookup, his car lots and other business ventures. May his family someday get justice for him.
    He was always proud of his family, not many knew alot about him except those closest, may he rest in peace.


  425. Advocate Dee says:

    Hello Johnny Gosch,… Please email me we have talked before my friend

  426. LakeLife says:

    Obviously she did this or knew who did.
    His poor wife!
    To find out your husband is cheating on you & that he’s dead.
    Praying the killer is found!

  427. LakeLife says:

    They need to do DNA testing!
    Praying this gets solved!!

  428. LakeLife says:

    Praying they catch this killer!

  429. MW says:

    I hate to say it, but is there any way this could possibly be a suicide and coincidentally be that close to Brenda Dailey’s murder? I know, it’s really crazy to be so close together in both time and location, but I just think it’s strange that it happened so close to his wife’s death and their wedding anniversary. So sorry for the family, that must have been so hard to deal with both parents dying that close to one another and not knowing for sure what happened to their father!

    • MW says:

      I’m mostly wondering why they called it a homicide. Is it because nobody thought he could’ve fallen down the stairs, or is it because there is other evidence pointing to the fact that he may have been murdered?

  430. Phil W says:

    I heard many stories about Matt Kennedy and the family growing up. So sad. Happy
    to hear justice will be served.

    • Phil W's ex wife says:

      uh huh, I’ve heard many stories about you too Phil W. Your family really isn’t too fond of you buddy.

  431. cheri says:

    i am erin’s aunt and fully believe curtis padgett did abduct erin and i believe he knows exactly where she is.

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  434. Harry Potter Fan 980 says:

    Plot twist: Volemort did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE WILL RISE SOON!!!!!!! BEWARE OF MORE DEATH, MORE WILL COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  435. MikeD says:

    Did Rita have a vehicle that is also missing? If so, what are the details of that vehicle? If she didn’t, how did she normally get around? News reports say she was last seen at the casino and other says she went missing after leaving the casino. Casinos have a lot of cameras, even the parking lots. Was she last seen leaving alone or with someone else? Did she get in a car?

  436. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I have a problem, with the fact that the cause of death has not been released
    She was murdered over 30 years ago, what are they waiting for. Did they expect that someone was going to walk in and confess to a crime they did not committ.

    We have other cases involving homicides, where we know the cause of death. Many agencies do hold back some tidbit of information kn these Cases. But again after 20, 30 or 40 years, and the case is unsolved, what good has it done.

    Also, many departments are remiss in keeping in contact with victims families. They have no clue, that this causes the victim’s families. So, it appears to the family that the death of their loved one, is not big deal, and that the police don’t care.

    The one investigator mentions that most of their homicides were drug related. So, he is okay with that. So, it was the victim’s fault that she was murdered.

  437. carolkean says:

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  439. Jimmy james says:

    ….. I’ll tell you.. the certain sacrifices got to be made in life. If that was my family that nurse would be dead and a whole bunch of other people would be gone
    because honestly nothing’s work so far trying to do the honest way

  440. Bill Coleman says:

    There has been misconduct issues with law enforcement, county attorneys and court appointed attorneys. If you of low social status, you get no justice.

  441. JdF says:

    Could someone please clarify what specific years Les worked in law enforcement?

  442. Bernard Fife says:

    Didn’t it state that Hanni brought back a guy with him from the Jet where the two had been drinking? How does anyone know this. Who else was at the home that night that can positively identify or state that the 2 men showed up at the home together or maybe hanni came home alone and this other guy could have tailed him to the home and shot them all stole their dope and took off in the dead of the night. Or wait his new girlfriend was there and how ironic she decides to up and leave in the dead of the night after 1am to drive back to where she’s from? Now how long was she here in sioux city with him? Why she leave so abruptly and at that time. How was she going to get back home drive? What made her decide to go back home. Or did she leave with the other man that came home with hanni? Talk about a lucky gal. And what about the wild bunch that the cops said were known to use drugs that came home with them and trashed the house or left it in a mess? And what about the little rat who goes and tells the cops ” oh by the way I swiped some weed from one of the guys earlier in the night at the house. Who does that?? Only an idiot who wants to implicates himself in the home the night of the murder and now as a thief and possibly something more. What was his follow up interviews like? The 3 were no good that’s for sure. Hanni eats out a big dope dealer in Denver’s prolly because he couldn’t pay his weed bill and was most likely told he’d pay with his A$$ so he decides to be a SNITCH. WHAT HAPPENS TO A SNITCH IN JAIL. YEP HE DON’T LIVE TO SEE TOMORROW. Now anti union views wouldn’t of gone over well back in the 70’s either. Ibp had some bad strikes where houses were blown up back in 70’z and 80’s n animals were even killed hung up on clotheslines they said?? Now the old ladies or mother n friend entered the home they see the pregnant girlfriend first, as she was shot dead and her leg is stuck in the small swinging doors they used to separate rooms back then. Where was she going? Now Hanni was all dressed and still in his winter coat out in another room or the room where the pregnant gal lay and he was face down shot execution style in the back of the head behind the ear and in the back. And lastly the woman find her son Billy in another room he shared with his pregnant g/f, and he’s naked prolly because him n his girl were what done having sex and she went out to get him a beer or her something to eat or drink, and now let’s figure out who’s shot first? Billy is in their makeshift bedroom where the mattress was and he’s naked, she’s in her robe barely made out of the bedroom, and Hanni is fully dressed laying face down fully clothed. I’d say the wild bunch who came over and trashed house and drank with them and they were known to be bad news on dope, probably made hanni think he could ride along with them so he got popped 1st, she come running out and she got popped 2nd, and Billy awakes to all this noise and standing there naked one of the no good bunch slips behind him puts gun to his head and says good night sorry to wake you but you just laid on us so bang your dead but you were still moving so a couple more for good measure , they steal their dope and leave and collect the ransom money from the colorado dope dealer that hanni ratted on and anyone who talks will be next. I seriously doubt it had anything to do with anti union b/s. They came here to hide and work not sit out on an upcoming picket line. They never stayed in one place long enough. So naturally when asked if they will honor the strike they prolly said hell with the union I came here to work. Sure that didnt go over well them being new guys. I’m sure it didn’t garner and murder scheme over it. They carried guns in lunch boxes cause they were snitches, petty thieves and credit card buyers prolly purse snatchers too. But when you owe the dope dealer money and rat him out to avoid paying him and he gets jail time he’s gonna tell the boys you find those little bitches and snitches and see to it they don’t have the chance to snitch again. I’m surprised their tongues weren’t cut out. That was mafia style for a snitch in the 70’s. They came up here because mom n dad hot the hell out a dodge where they were from so g/f is knocked up cant just leave her let’s go to iowa see mom n dad for a bit then leave. Problem was they stayed too long and talked too much because I bet hanni was a talker. Prolly talked all kinds of crap like they were big time criminals, thieves, pot smokers and dope dealers themselves, so they had to get a job because they couldn’t all 4 stay with Billy’s mom n dad. So Hanni’s girl prolly says ” you guys said we were only going to iowa to visit and go back to her hometown but they lied to her so she says I need to go take care of a couple things and I’ll be back. Well she had no plans to come back. She was gonna rat out their butts soon as she got home but someone already beat her to it and in the dope world a bounty on a snitch’s head travels fast and back then those biker rough crowd that did them in prolly was getting their weed from colorado or California and bikers transported that stuff back then. So word of mouth travels like wildfire and they got wind of the bounty on these 2 clowns and they collected. If they’d a visited mom n dad and left they might a lived another week a month. But I still bet Hanni talked too much or to the wrong guys and someone found out about the hit the dope dealer in colorado prolly put on them and they couldnt pass it up. Cruel fricken world. But anytime you get involved in drugs and snitch out a guy instead of paying him and this is back in the 70’s. Mafia killings were going on, mafia was in the labor unions then too, Hoffa style but that didn’t cause these deaths. Snitching on a dope dealer did. That’s my opinion only. I played detective and I like my theory. Can’t stay in one place too long fellas. You knew that. A gun in the lunchbox in the car can’t do much for ya now can it. Remember when grandma or grandpa said watch the company you keep. When your new in town, you keep your mouth shut, you don’t tell where your really from ever. And never bring strangers into your home. And don’t go in there’s remember. Nope you forgot. Bang your dead, and so us she and so is he. It was coming soon anyway because you guys lied to hanni’s new girl so she bailed on you and by the skin of her teeth did she make it home in the nick of time and able to to tell about it to her grandkids. She would of been your snitch just someone beat her to it.

  443. Jonas Roy Helme says:

    It seems fairly likely that Reed is actively omitting parts of the story like Zirtzman’s involevement in the rescue, could she be trying to distance herself from him? Could she have been trying to avoid anyone suspecting her involevement in Zirtzman’s testimony?

    The terrible condition of Jaymie points to possible child abuse, this is backed up by the scalding-like burn marks on her body causing the burnmarks on 33% of her body, yet not causing any singeing of the hair. Could Jaymie have been trying to ease pain from scalding by submerging herself in the bathtub?

    I theorize that Zirtzman had been exploited to take the blame, this could be done by promising him that he would also be hailed as a hero after giving the testimony that someone else prepared for him. Could Reed have been the one to design the testimony?

    Reed possibly caused the fire to cover up the abuse of Jaymie, afterall if she died in a fire thsi would cover up the scalding wounds and make the bacteria in Jaymie significantly harder to detect.

  444. Russ Heiser says:

    ORIGINNALY “Perked” my Interest. Still Does. Hpwever taken Up enouhj Comment SPACE.

    I’m Gone for NOW. Think Mark Milligan Mentioned LE has Opened “CI”Case.

    Plenty County, State , City Investigators.


  445. Russ Heiser says:

    Painting(Sketch) Time Board Albua Iowa

    July st 1984 Albia Iowa Poipulation1984?

    Sunrise 543AM Didnt GiveHARRY Long Prior to SUNRISE if Left üptown 5-530

    Weather Conditions? read

    `977 Pontiac Grand Prix average 15mpg at 16 gallons

    Gasoline stations?

    AVERY approx 7Miles Away..

    In Portrait WHO Standing inin Business District with Harry

    1977 Pontiac Grand Prix Average 60 MPH Country Backroad

    On Full Tank Can Plot Where “Harry” Could JAVE been VARIOUS Roads EVERY 10 Miles or 10 MINUTES

    Avery(House 10 Miles or 10 Minutes?.

    Daylighr CLOSE

    Ticket Issued for Headlamps What Day? ANY OTHER Tickrts By that COP Near Time Frame? The Lag Newspaper DATE Published and Written,

    Small Town “Harry turn Your Headlights ON”!(Warning per say) Wasnt LIKE Midnight

    Imagine Festive DAYS Picking Uo. Small TOWN with 4th July Activities CLOSE

    Anyone ASK if “Harry”had Part 4th? Should BEEN Returned

    1977 Grand Prix 240 Miles Full Tank Gas(Most Daylight Driving)

    Imagine MONTHLY Marine Reservist CHECK? If Active. When did Harry Cash Last Military Check or ANY Deposit. EVEN if BANK No RECORD Military Finances?

    Clothes or Suitcase Obvious in CAR Preplanned Trip.

    “Harrys” Civilian Job?

    ect ect ect The Picture Will Fill In with more Colors.

    Put TimeLINE in Perspective and Not GARBBLED or Haywired

  446. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    Sue, I have found that a lot of records from Iowa are not on Ancestry for some unknow9reason. If anything there should have been a Social Security Death Index entry. But then he died in 1960.

    The other surprising thing is there is no mention of him having a family, unless he was estranged from his family.

    The other problem is how can the public help with the investigation when we have no information to work with. We don’t know how he died, where he died, or any other detail related to him being murdered.

    It is sad that the police department decided to keep most of anything from the public. Yet, it appears the present leadership has not made an effort to release more details. b

  447. LakeLife says:

    Praying that God brings justice for you Micheal & your father family!
    My heart breaks for you & your sisters as well as his bride to be!!

  448. LakeLife says:

    We’re their any signs of a struggle?
    She was beaten to death so I’m sure she would have struggled with her attacker.
    I wonder if she has his/her blood under her finger nails?!
    Praying the killer is brought to justice!

  449. LakeLife says:

    The fingerprints they have need to be run through Codis.
    They need to exhume her body & get DNA OR test that DNA they do have.
    Something needs to be done.
    This is sick & it needs to be solved.
    So disturbing.
    My heart breaks for all involved as well as that many police officers who investigated this case.
    Praying this gets solved & that the offender gets caught!

  450. Michael D Rogers says:


  451. God Bless the Bentley Family says:

    Some situations just seem to stay with people their whole lives. Linda’s situation is one such situation that has stayed with me. I didn’t know Linda, or her family members, but I very clearly remember the case. I was a High School Sophomore living in Sgt. Bluff at the time, and I was bothered that her murder was unsolved and that her family had never received the justice that they deserved. A few years after her death (1987, I think) an older step brother of mine told me that one of his friends told him that he had killed Linda. I wasn’t told to the entire conversation, only that he said he did it, which was horribly vague. I was living in Kansas City at the time that my brother told me this, and I contacted the Sioux City Police in an attempt to pass the information to someone. I knew at the time it was a stretch, hearsay, whatever, but I was compelled to bring the information forward in hopes that someone would follow the lead. I was told by the person on the phone that information from someone who heard something from someone who heard another person wasn’t the sort of lead that would be helpful in the case. I was thanked for my call and that was that. To this day, I believe that Loren Brown killed Linda Bentley. Not just because my older step brother said he confessed to it, but because Loren Brown was one of the creepiest people I have ever met, and I believe him capable of killing someone without remorse.

    • Fia says:

      I was living in Sioux City when my sister in law told me about the little boy Manuel Ramirez’s death right when it happened. I’m no police officer but right away told her that I suspected he was murdered !!! How on earth did these officers fail to realize this at the time. A few years ago I’d read the biological father was locked up and the child lived with the stepmother and her kids. This woman got away with murder !!! And from what I understand she may have fled to Mexico. HOW’S ABOUT PUTTING A WARRANT OUT FOR THIS THING THAT MURDERED THIS INNOCENT CHILD. I raised 9 children and would have gladly taken in this child. My heart breaks thinking how this little boy was more likely being treated. Father gone, mother gone and left to someone who killed him. 😭😭😭😭😭😭 One can only pray there’s a heaven and the angels and God are with him.

  452. Russ Heiser says:

    To Mark Milligan

    My Apptoach from INVESTIGATIVE Stanfpoint


    Things Should have been looked INTO even on “Suspious” Disapperance

    For whatever ‘reason(s) were NOT

    Haven’t Seen Mention Military “Dog Tags” 1984 WERE Popular as your aware FORMER Marine. Do you RECALL if “Harry” wore Regular? 21 at time Missing LOT young guys WORE even if NOT Active Status. VITAL in itself ïf” did. Lotta Open Country Iowa Understood. Lot of things GONE by now. Dpg Tags still around Somewhere UNLESS removed from “Harry” Even if removed. Maybe Metal Detector on ANY UNIDENTIFIED Suspect Sites may provide clue(s).

    * Former Military Police Investigator (Army)

    SAW LE has OPENED as CI Case. The Military Jacket “Harrys” last KNOWN timeline on Base. Medical, Dental and or ACTIVITIES on File?

    Reason mention Hospital CHECK and Marine VA? Any Visits that time Frame.

    Likely had Reservist ID possibly SSN “Printed” on front, Another “Door” Cracked.

    Someone had ACCESS even 1984 to SSN Nip in BUD May still be PAPER Trail( electronic) Now if Financials Tampered with.

    The Credit “Bureau” Giants Emerging in 80s

    Know mentioned POSSIBLE $ around $1800 “Poker” Lot Money 1984. IF taken from “Harry” Spent SOMEWHERE or SOMEONE else. New Car Show up in Neighborhood?

    I’m approaching as COLD Case with EMBERS still Burning.

  453. Jim says:

    I am in my 70s and grew up in the area. I am well aware of the gambling in K-town. The 400 Club was owned by Jay Hickey and was one of the oldest gambling establishments in town. Yes, it had a 2nd floor. Jay was a well like man and I know of no trouble at the club. It was said he ran an honest game.

  454. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I guess Judge Glanton we, missed the fact that Mr. Holt is dead at the hands of both individuals, that he released. Did, Judge Glanton, think that Mr. Holt, shot himself, or that the bullet came from ourtspace.

    Also, there was bad blood, between the three of them, Mr. Holt did pull not pull a weapon of any kind. So, I hope that Judge Glanton, took the time to explain to Mr. Holt’s family, why he let two guys get away with causing his death.

    I like that a witness claimed that Wilson had a good record in the community. I guess because of his dispute with Mr. Mure, another person iui s dead. I hope he or Mr. Mure went on to lead a good life and another family lost a loved one.

  455. veronica a hayes says:

    Through DNA, I have found that Jerry Lee Huff is my birth father. I know he was not a good person, and running around the area at this time. If you need any DNA for cold cases….I’m willing to offer it. Good Luck on your case, very sad story.

  456. Kristin says:

    What about this little boy? Boone Denton died Feb. 1, 2018, in Creston of complications from blunt force trauma to the abdomen, according to the state medical examiner’s office. So far, there have been no arrests in the case.

  457. Rita Heideman says:

    Pat Heideman contacted Dateline last year (2019). Dateline had contacted him yesterday and they are doing a show including this story. Hopefully this will get solved in 2021.

    • Michael D Rogers says:

      Hello, I’m Michael David Rogers Jimmy’s son. Thank you for taking and interest and keeping this tragic story alive! Means alot to me.

  458. Rhonda Clark says:

    Under what circumstances could someone legally adopt a 28 year old at the time this happened?

  459. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    All these years later Les finally gets arrested for stuff that he allegedly has been doing for years, according to comments on this forum. The other question, is the involvement of Kim’s mother Joyce. She, appears to have allowed her husband Les, to do a lot of bad stuff over the years.

    I think that she has some explaining to do. She moved in and married this man. She appears to be okay, with his actions and abuse. I wonder if covered up other abuse by her living husband.

  460. LakeLife says:

    Praying this gets solved!

  461. Brad says:

    What was he doing alone on a gravel road at night? How did he get there? Where was he going?

  462. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I don’t understand why the Davenport Police did not complete a report. This is the basic part of their job. Even though someone claimed that it was a suicide. The coroner or medical examiner makes the final decision on cause of death.

    There should be an investigation by an outside agency to determine who is at fault. If necessary they should be charged with obstruction of justice. This reflects the trust the community has that their police department conducting any investigation.

    This starts at the chief and goes down hill. It reflects on his leadership that he allowed this to happen.

    • LakeLife says:

      This is so obvious to me.
      His “best friend” was having an affair with his wife then she takes the kids away for the weekend & he just happens to be murdered?!
      Then his “best friend” just HAPPENS “finds” him & automatically try’s to say he committed suicide?!
      THE “best friend” has friends at the police station & they don’t even TRY to do the MOST BASIC of police work but instead just try to confuse & cover things up?!
      His wife & “best friend” have now gone on to their judgement.
      My heart breaks for his children & family!

    • Stay Strong! Seek Justice! says:

      Most excellent!

      There’s a special place in hell for child abusers. Throw in the mothers of Ricky Morehouse & Keara Coshow into the deep recesses of hell as well.

  463. Brad says:

    Why so little interest in this tragic incident??

    • Laura Bee says:

      That’s a great question, I’m wondering the same… I’ve never even heard of this case and I’ve lived in the area all my life.

      • ZZ says:

        It’s very sad! His family still misses him deeply everyday and just wants answers! Although, I’m sure our lovely police department will never get them the closure they need.

  464. Stephanie Myers says:

    My heart hurts for her sister and what happened to Mrs. Reimann, It takes a special kind of low life coward to harm anyone but especially elderly, handicap, children and of course animals. I pray for justice.

  465. Russ Heiser says:

    May be of Interest How a Car Can Change

    Inspection 1970 Chevelle AUTHENTICATION on You Tube

    I’v had Fun with CARS thru the Years. 1969 Challenger 1969 Mustang and 1976 Ford Stepside.

    How a CAR can Change. Nothing wrong with THAT. NOTED. May “Perk”Intrest.

    Not VISIBLE except Close INSPECTION. Car Collector. “Gives 1970 Chevelle Once Over “per Say (No Spell Check obvious)

    The Original Car “Somewhat”Vanished. Owner(s) FIXED to Personal Liking.

  466. Russ Heiser says:

    John. Got a Chuckle if Anything.

    Speculation? Listen What you just said.

    If you Jump in the Pond and Find Car. You wont be Speculating.

    If YOU don’t FIND Car guess What?

    Think they Welcome Comments. Someones “kid” Reads this May have Idea

    or Speculation meant in Sincerity.

    FACT: Harry is Missing and has Not Returned. No Video Survveillance has SHOWED Up(yet) Tho even 1984 would seem Video Poker Room.

    Winner might wanna Keep Hidden……for Later Laugh

    yet. No Conversation with “Harry” revealed of What he said to indicate What or Where

    other than SPECULATED Headed *(yet)* 36 Year Old Cold Case’. Did Not Know

    Personally. Have Not Spoke to Neighbors or Friends.(or Harry) So I Even Speculate

    What was “Harrys”” Hobbies, Hang Outs, Best Friends, Cop Issues 1984 (dtugs ect not to SAY Involved.

    Someone OTHER than “Magecian” Make Car Vanish. Most Magecians work on Illusions.

    Fence? Strip? Water?

    This Case be Nice Harry showed up, been in Mexico. Might Slug him then ask “Want Beer”?

    Was YOU Wondering if I WAS Still Around. Lurking in Background?

    More of Question to Draw Out ANY Responsw

    Water issue SOMEWHAT Searched. (Similiar to Recent Find of Man in Car) Arrest Made believe.

    LE Advised believed Dived Twice. Then Found Car

    • John Collins says:

      Sorry if I rained on your speculation spoltight Russ! Judging by your amount of posts you feel your answers are the most correct even if not really probable. My suggestion was based on likely probability and not speculation. Many times (several) when some one and their vehicle disappears as well, it quite often went in the water somewhere near. You obviously feel there is a major conspiracy like Jimmy Hoffa disappearing and are enjoying the spotlight for your conspiracy theories!
      Enjoy your limelight Russ!

  467. John Collins says:

    Looking at the comments they appear to be a lot of hearsay, rumor, and speculation and few if any real facts. If you look closely at Google earth at the road from Albia to Avery, you’ll see a fair sized pond right next to the road on the outside of a curve along the way. If some one were to doze off or pass out going into that curve, they’d obviously end up in that pond with little to no evidence of it even happening.
    Instead weaving a bunch of speculation, you should do something factual and positive and seriously check that pond out!

  468. Russ Heiser says:


    Hyden Harris over VEHICLE Cpl US Army

    December 2020

    Indicates Heated Exchange Meet Over Vegicle

  469. Russ Heiser says:

    Example *See Article* Nov 2020

    missing SOILDER Cpl Hayden Harris

    See Article

    How Fast Went DOWN Over VEHICLE

    Found Dead New York 2ps Age

  470. Missing Person cases with Nikki says:

    I’m definitely going to cover this on my youtube channel hope he comes home or gets justice

  471. LakeLife says:

    I also think it’s odd that his gun went missing & then he’s shot with the same type of gun just weeks later?

  472. LakeLife says:

    I think it was his wife!
    You don’t sell the guys company a couple months after he dies like that.
    Plus she has motive because she was addicted to gambling.
    I pray justice will be done some day!

  473. Enus says:

    Are you a troll? Sure seems like it! Hogging up the threads with some nonsense.

  474. Russ Heiser says:


    Wanted Running or NOT. 1977 Pontiac (Example) Reward Offered. Send Photo and VIN#

    Check Your Barn Under Tarp ect

    Should Stop ANY Unpaid REWARDS Offered

  475. Russ Heiser says:



    National Car Recovery REWARD Club. Flyers Sent Out.

    Suprised FBI or LE as MANY Divers Not REQUIRED to Conduct ONE EXERCISE AT LEAST fot Training.

    Marines Army Navy Air Force Coast Guard. Training Exercise REAL TIME “If Happen” Recover Suspious ITEMS Should NOT be Violation Posse Com a tatous(No Spell Check) Approched as Training with Coordnated Data Base.

    Fun and Interesting.

    Would Put to REST “We ALL live in a Yellow Submerinr”(Song) Cute tho……Pun Intended Beattles.

  476. Russ Heiser says:


    Yes Few Drails “Off” from PUBLISHED Info. RePubed here.

    I Am only “Glancing” Information. As if MYSTERY Novel

    I am NOT Investigating. MANY Aves Open or UNCHECKED

    Suspious Missing SHOULD Have WARRANTED “Full Investigation!

    No CONNECTION to St Louis Car Dealership.

    As with Ponds and LAKES. FLYERS of 77 Gtand PRE to AUTO Dealerships?

    Different “Twist” to Msgnet Fishing Per say.

    Even Song Private Malone. What Xoulf Happrn to Car.

  477. LakeLife says:

    Praying that the truth comes to light!

  478. LakeLife says:

    My grandma lived in Coralville & we lived in Hills in 1992 that was the year before my parent divorce.
    Hills is such a small town.
    Scary to think it might have been someone we had known in that town or someone we had known in the town my grandma lives in.
    Why can’t they just do a DNA test?!
    This poor babies life mattered!!

    • AnitaJohnson says:

      DNA Tests with trace on familial DNA costs around 5,000.00-6,000.00 dollars. Contact the local law enforcement agency that dealt with this case and ask them if you or they can start a GoFundMe page to raise the money for the testing fees. As I wish ever one of these cases was solved, not many of them will be unless you and I and everyone else participates in donating money to help this child get justice. Are you up for it?

  479. LakeLife says:

    Praying the truth comes out!

  480. LakwLife says:

    Praying that the truth comes out!

  481. LakeLife says:

    All three men just happened to be able to provide alibis for eachother the night she goes missing & Melvin admitted that he had hired these guys to follow her?!
    It was obviously him!!

  482. Russ Heiser says:


    JustLlisten to Song Pvt Malone by David Ball You Tube

    Saw 1977 Pontiac Grand Prix Sold by Dealer Same Cplpr body and Seats
    Two Different Vins Indicated One Dealer TYPED 2nd Photo BUT have to Scroll.

    Only 10K Miles. Had to Sit SOMEWHERE that few Miles?

    Dealer in Buisness 50 YEARS Could be Simple MISTAKE

    Daniel Schmitt Dealership St Louis Mo

    Simple Phonr Call Should Clear Up IF Intrest

  483. Russ Heiser says:


    Said Im OFF this. I get started and,,,,,,,,,,,,Puzzle?

    To Avery . Already was KNOWN to MOST . and Albia also LE and Mark Milligan “Off Duty”

    Ks and Ms CONNECTION?

    Consider 1984 Mo Drink Age 18 Kansas City other side Line Downtown 21 (or other way around. Read Harry Drank at LEAST BEER.

    Consider 1981 1982 1983 Age 18 to 20 Made LOT “Beer Runs” Kansas City. Not Harry Particular. Tho MARK May Know.
    Large Flea Market Lil Fun Shopping?.
    3hrs Out 3 Back. Full Day “FUN”

    1984 Drinking Age Kansas City Changed Both Sides State Line to 21

    KSB(Kansas City Butcher) Operating 1984 Did NOT Have to Visit TOWN or send Recruiter per say(only read~Video thought had one)

    Bar(s) Open Longer Kansas City want Party Contibue

    More “Options “FENCE” or Strip Nicr CAR

    Any FLYERS of Harry SENT to Kansas City? “IF” Harry KNOWN to VISIT Occassionally? Ages 18 to 20 This “COULD be something DUE to KSB Victims ALL KNOWN(op Word) 18 to 21, Tho Another Video Believe LOT MORE Victims.

    MAY have NOTHING To DO With KSB(deceased)

    A Flyer Might PERK Intrest that would NEED Factual Verificaton Simple PHONE Call.

    If NO KSB Connection, Fence Car? Favorite Bar? ect ect

    Your Ball.

    Im Gone for NOW

  484. Russ Heiser says:


    Rope or light Chain from Shore attached to Magnet. Videos HOW on YOU TUBE.

    Even FROM Shore BUDDY SYSTEM any ISSUES. DRONES on SUNNY CLEAR Day with Camera. IF IF IF Car DRIVEN In probally CLOSE Shore UNLESS Lake or River has Current(maqy have DRIFTED by NOW)

  485. Russ Heiser says:

    Recall COLUMBO Detective Series?

    Im Not HIm

    However ONE MORE THING!

    Anyone TRY “Magnet Fishing? The Dive Researchers Would be Cooll.

    Your Generally NOT Gonna Pull Car OUT, HOWEVER Magnet VERY STRONG)

    ) May Warrent further Research STRONG(VERY) May Also Find Gun or Knife Metal Pipes Ect.

  486. Amazonnnfpj says:

    reproduced by hand, in contrast

  487. Russ Heiser says:


    Yes FACTS the Best. Someone Calls with a Tip. But Needs Verification on Factual Basis Unless YOU Prtsonally KNOW Tipster.

    This is Considered COLD. Other words Not much ACTIVITY. Call still could Come

    Spmetimes Discussions May Develop Lead Which Lead to Tips Investgated to Facts

    SEEMS Money at Poker Table 1984 WARRENTED sucjh Investugation

    Murphy in Knoxville wound Up Missing 20 July 1984 Body Found Nov 1984 by Hunters. REPORTED as Missing. The Murder Investigation dif not began till body Discovered

    I’v Worked with FBI Secret Service DEA Local SD Task Force as IO (Independent Operator) and Military

    Usually did not ask me to sit around wait fot Phone to Ring. Perp say “I did it” without Developing Lead or Hunch and Speculation ar Times Ferreted Out. Tho Drank lot Coffee.

    These Comments Pointed Towards LE

    Yes Easy way solve Mystery. Start back book Read Foward 2nd Read If POINTS nissed 1st READ.

    Ill Respect Your 1st POST and LEAVE at rhat. Phone or Visit May Happen Still with FACTS and Closure

    Im Outside “Looking In, Perked my Intrest from FACTS you Do Have

    Like Im Reading Mystery Novel Front to Back tothe Conclusion.

    Ill Respect Not Interested.

    Something Not “sitting” quite Right. Chapter Missing.


    • Darlene says:

      The word fact us very important here and I disagree with you on if you know the person. From personal experience I believe if you read the letter above. which I can not say for sure but believe his information came Steve .This letter has caused me alot of anger know how many false statements he made.Jeff did corporated but mark didn’t know this at the time.Steve however was confused on the car parking and it was no big deal but it was wrong. We have learn alot this past few months I understand why a 3rd person was with them and his car was park there. They have been coroporating with law enforcement however they don’t have a friendly relatelationship with Mark I don’t know what happens to Harry he was my friend to I was who his mom called that morning to go looking I asked questions first. Mark never called me.or reply to my tex in 2016 I miss Harry I don’t recall ever being so upset when he didn’t come .but I don’t ever want to excuse of knowing something or or having my words turned around. I would love to have the facts and Harry home but it the facts not just what someone says or here.

  488. Russ Heiser says:

    In Cosieng

    Any Witness or Suspect Connection to Kansas City?KSB has Lots Photos again deceased, Found No Photo of “Recruiter” per Say. Small TOWN may Reconize KSB Visiting Bar or Poker Room LE may be Worth Showing KSB Photo SINCE DECEASED since 1992 oe so

  489. Russ Heiser says:


    KSB Called Cops on a MO-Ks Victim so NO Misunderstanding NOT Murphy, But PERKED Intrest Similarities “Hospital” Since KSB Deceased might be worth Check 1984 Hospital Logs.Also again Interesting Only Victims Murphy and “Harry Similiar age LOOKS. NO DOT Connection
    Google dearcj Avert and Slbia Iowa Only approx 7 Mile Drive. Knoxville 35. Kansas City 3hrs Out. Tho KSB again had Trained “Recruiter

  490. Russ Heiser says:

    Find LOTS of “Circles” Per Say No LINES to Connect

    Interesting Murder Victim Murphy Mussising From Knoxville Iowa Hospital GENERAL INFO ONLY 20 July 20 1984 Body Found Nov 1984 Rapid Decomp what gathered

    Intrest Kansas City Butcher(KSB) actually Called Police and went to HOSPITAL as Victim BIT his Penis. No Charges FILED. Murphy was at or NEAR Knoxville Hospital before Missing. May be Ave to Connect “Dots” if ANY. KSB Operating IOWA 1984?

    Saw Mulligan(Mark) Mention Paper Published Ticket to Harry 17 July 1984 HO Specifics. News Probally had LAG between Issue and Printing Such incigence.

    Would be Sleiths LOTS Vids on KSB(Deceased)

    KSB also had “Recruiter for VICTIMS. Doesnt Mention SO FAR his Recruitment Area(s)
    MO Drinks and Drug Victims “Haul Away” Lots Digging by LE Co Op KS MS and Iowa.

    Its There for LE to Check

    Apparently Being “Gay” was NOT a Requirement of KSB Victims. But could have Increased % of Target.

  491. IDChannelSlueth says:

    Looking from the outside. I would investigate and question the husband and the Police again. This doesn’t seem right. I moved away from Iowa going on 34 years ago. To read about all of these unsolved cases really hurts that they are not solved. Please get some closure for all of these families. For my friend JoJo and his family too. RIP JoJo

  492. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    A terrible story and all these people kept their mouth’s shut. But, then I would expect the authorities to conduct a death investigation, until a competent medical examiner determined there was no foul play in his death.

    Then we have his son committ suicide because these gutless individuals stood by and never came forward

    I would sue them, for obstruction of justice, aiding and abetting, and throw on pain and suffering. Hit them in the pocket books. That include the campground.

    • LakeLife says:

      I agree!
      They are hampering justice & should be charged & tried for it!
      How you can not come forward when you have info about the murder of an innocent man is beyond me!
      I wonder what events lead up to the incident in the truck?!
      Praying for justice!!

  493. Mark says:

    So why hasn’t the female driver been identified?

  494. Russ Heiser says:

    “Murphy” same Age te Knoxvillr Iowa Missing 29 July 1984 Body Found Nov 84 by Hunters 35 Miles approx from AVery Iowa

    Murphy it says Hospital’ last KNOWN Interest did “KSB” Visit Hospital?

    Once again SURE Iowa LE Working. Some Areas if Havent Corrlated SIMILARITIES

  495. Riss Heiser says:

    Note ONLY

    REASON “Perked” my INTREST this CASE

    KNOWN as OPERATIVE Word ALL KNOWN VICTIMS Kansas City Butcher bwlive 18-21 Age

    “Howell” 1sr KNOWN Similiar Apperance “Harry” Same TIME Frame in “Striking Distance” General Sense

    The Butcher Died Heart Attack

    Did not MENTION any YOUNG TEEN Victims age range Newsboys

    informative videos kansas city butcher You Tube

    From General INVESTIGATIVE POINT “Only Suggestive” this POINT. Lot Leg Wprk per SAY

    Nip in BUD? (Maybe) ANY UNIDENTIFIED DNA LEFT “KSB” House or Vehicle?

  496. Russ Heiser says:

    Was “Harry” Gay/?

    NO Connecuion FOUND but May Check Out

    FIRST……KNOWN Victim of Kansas City Butcher July 1984 about 3hrs away.

    KSB in Kansas City 3hrs Out

    1st Victom “Howell 19 White Male 6 others Known.

    NO “Dot” to Newspaper Boys. But PERKED My Intrest

    Victims DISAPPEARED “Litterally KNOWN START July 1984

    THIS POINT SIMILIAR Time Frame Occurance

  497. Russ Heiser says:

    Side Note

    Harrys Car Very NICE in Photos

    Probally worth more Couple Hundred $ 1984

    You Mentioned Drugs MAY(may have) NOT KNOWN

    Being COP Someone “JazziN” for Dope CAR may look like Big Baggie. Steal? Pre Planned or KNEW where or Who to FENCE. Strip Down takes KNOWN Time. Farm Country Obvious Many Corn Stalks Park Behind Per Say

    Friends Avoiding? Originally at LEAST Spoke with LE? I Imagine Hammered so MANY TIMES “Tell Us what you Know” Domt want Anymore Unless Interrogated. Most Likely SEEMS would WANT to HELP. I imagine Small Town approached MANY

    TIMES. May USE Approach MAKE STATEMENT ask Paper to Indicate shouldnt be

    Bothered Anymore Unless New Evidence Shows Up to Implicate

    The Car? Looks to NICE to DUMP Unless Heated Spur Moment Even then more $ Signs than Few $ Piker game.

    Curious may ask to SEE Military Jacket Nip that in Bud

    Clpse? Harry INDICATE Dug deal Issues? Other than SO and SI dies This or that?

    Not INTO more Questions than ANSWERS

    Your Cop you have training and background to follow thru Ill LEAVE it ar that.

  498. Russ Heiser says:

    Side Note

    Harrys Car Very NICE in Photos

    Probally worth more Couple Hundred $ 1984

    You Mentioned Drugs MAY(may have) NOT KNOWN

    Being COP Someone “JazziN” for Dope CAR may look like Big Baggie. Steal? Pre Planned or KNEW where or Who to FENCE. Strip Down takes KNOWN Time. Farm Country Obvious Many Corn Stalks Park Behind Per Say

    Friends Avoiding? Originally at LEAST Spoke with LE? I Imagine Hammered so MANY TIMES “Tell Us what you Know” Domt want Anymore Unless Interrogated. Most Likely SEEMS would WANT to HELP. I imagine Small Town approached MANY

    TIMES. May USE Approach MAKE STATEMENT ask Paper to Indicate shouldnt be

    Bothered Anymore Unless New Evidence Shows Up to Implicate

    The Car? Looks to NICE to DUMP Unless Heated Spur Moment Even then more $ Signs than Few $ Piker game.

    Curious may ask to SEE Military Jacket Nip that in Bud

    Clpse? Harry INDICATE Dug deal Issues? Other than SO and SI dies This or that?

    Not INTO more Questions than ANSWERS
    Your Cop you have training and background to follow thru Ill LEAVE it ar that.

  499. Russ Heiser says:

    Former Military Police Investigative Supervisor Atmy Former PI Agency Manager Offices Miami New Orleans and Wash DC

    What “Grabbed” My Attention……..Very Close to Brother. No Calls or Hangups Even time Diapperance?. Unlless Wanted to Disappear. Hang Ups could be Indication Wanted to Reach Out……No Contact may Indicate didnt want FAMILY in Trouble WOULD Seem have rto be BIG Issue this Many YEARS.

    2nd What was MOS and Rank.

    Military SOMETMES Don’t Willingly REVEAL actual “Duties” own Reasons UNLESS
    Nudged. Shipped to Timbuck Too Per Say.

    1984 Dog Tags were Big Issue Still. So if harry Found?(without) Indication Pre Planned
    Someone knew had monies to “play”

    Foul Play Car Obvious Bigger harder average person ri HIDE Spur Moment Most KNOW Lakes FAST. Pre Planned READ Cases not ONLY Grave Pre Dug but Car Burried especially FARM Country

    Same Farmers in area Many YEARS ago but may REPORTED Farm Tractor Founf MOVED or Stolen

    I Could Go On, Originally intended Simple Comment.

    My You Tube is NOT MONOTISED nor LOOKING to.

    You SEE Harry WEARING Regular? If HARRY Found should be ONSIGHT. Local Metal Detecting Ckub? Or Even National Up to Challenge?

    If Found with Dog Tags. Indicate Possiable “Heat of Moment” Incident, Other words. Grab Money and Run.

    Use to Operate FBI NCIC on CASES Stolen Property. Shoulf have been Entered.

    Would ALSO say MANY People as Previous Comments indicate have RAN into Lakes Drinking or NOT. If Not Driven ino Such.

    Again Dog Tags Missing Usually Worn. Possiable FOUL Play.

    Money Flowing at Table Suspected Wow. Seems LOCAL LE wpold have mote INTENSE Investgation ar Time REPORTED

    Some Cases “Perk” my Intrest from READING. Use to have PI License 7 States Civil and Criminal. No Longer.

  500. Lee-Anne says:

    Is there a possibility that this is Harry Milligan from Albia, Iowa missing since 1984.

    • MikeD says:

      The height and the age doesn’t match too closely. I wonder why they haven’t officially ruled him out though.

  501. Larry Brim says:

    Your information is not entirely correct. Lose enough that it doesn’t matter.. If only someone had any information, maybe they don’t feel its relevant but anything helps.
    Our family is still in pain although we have tried to move on with our lives as she would have wanted. There is still a $30000 car reward to info leading to conviction. We have tried to keep our name out of the news for the younger members of family but contact sheriff. Thank You to whoever posted this, it is much kinder than the last person with all the false info.

  502. Colton Reed says:

    I’m his youngest half brother I miss my big brother dearly I would give my life to bring him back if I could just to heal the pain that other family members have from losing him tears fall from my face time to time when I see his picture remembering all the great times we had as kids growing up together until he left us in 98′ I was only 8 and a half years old this leaves me post dramatically stressed for the rest of my life I pray to see my big brother again some day in heaven to the rest of the family I love you all I’m lost for words! 😭

  503. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    In regards to checking the VIN on his vehicle, a Carfax report might show something. The other option is for a law enforcement agency to contact the National Insurance Crime Bureau. They might have more detailed information in their databases, that might shed some light on the vehicles history.

  504. Mark says:

    There is alot more information and comments on there recent face book page for Harry Milligan. Just if anyone has not had questions answered as some of them are answered there.

  505. MikeD says:

    I wish there was more information available about this one. Story county is where Iowa State University is located and this infant was found right around the time that would have been spring break. You don’t have to drive very far outside of Ames to be in a rural area. It reminds of Unidentified Baby John Doe 1992 that was found during the holiday break near where the University of Iowa is.

    I also wonder if they happen to have a DNA sample and if not was the infant buried or cremated. More unidentified infants should be run through familial DNA databases.

  506. Bridgette Suzanne Ebersohl says:

    Come on there so much technology today why are they not working on these cold case I know his daughter stacy personally I was hanging around stacy at about the same time he went missing … Now mind you I know at least two of the people involved the 3rd person I’ve heard he’s really bad news I’m a person that believes in a eye for an eye I so hope they all get caught and they get what’s coming to them MAY U REST IN PEACE TERRY

  507. Bridgette Suzanne Ebersohl says:

    With the new technology they have using to solve murders …. Also the didn’t report if that precious baby was male or female and if it was found alive

  508. Anonymous555 says:

    the black and white pic of the older guy above looks like Charlie Kerr (google “Charlie Kerr Iowa” for mor pics)

  509. MikeD says:

    All states have Safe Haven laws now, but none of them did in 1992. Iowa didn’t have its Safe Haven law until 2002 so it wasn’t an option for the mother in this situation, unfortunately.

    • Q says:

      She had other options like giving the baby up for adoption.
      There is NO reason to Murder a baby but I’m sure you were not trying to make excuses for her.
      So sad that a child had to loose his life because of a women’s selfishness!
      I hope she hears his cry’s for the rest of her life!

  510. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    Just recently the Cook County Sheriff’s Police identified the mother of two babies born at her residence in 2003. She had placed them in a bag to take to the hospital. Then she dumped them in a garbage can, where they were dead.

    Most states have the Safe Haven laws, but how many of them don’t know about them. They are advertised when these situations occur, but if you don’t hear about them in certain media, then it is not an option.

  511. Travis White says:

    Does anyone know if they ever ruled out her being the skeletal remains found in Des Moines in 1980? Seems like the timeframe and location is pretty close.

  512. Janis Dyson says:

    There was a safe Haven Law passed so that if a baby was taken to a hospital, church, etc. and left there the baby wouldn’t be considered abandoned. Why not give the child up for adoption? There is no reason for a baby to die if the parents don’t want the baby. Forget about all your theories about the mother, that is just plain stupid. Run the DNA and see where it leads this to.

  513. Janis Dyson says:

    There was a safe Haven Law passed so that if a baby was taken to a hospital, church, etc. and left there the baby wouldn’t be considered abandoned. Why not give the child up for adoption? There is no reason for a baby to die if the parents don’t want the baby.

  514. Lori D Evans says:

    car/body have been found, front windshiel missing, body in back seat, car not discovered in 2013 by the dive teams but visible on google earth satellite view. has there been any further reports put out from the medical examiner about cause of death? i can’t find any search results on that.### was he trying to get out of the car and broke the window then fell into the back seat? was he not alone, passed out in the back seat and someone else was driving and broke the window out to escape after driving into the pond? was he unconscious in the car and it was driven into the pond by someone else? Has anything been discovered about “HOW” the car got into the pond in that location based on where the party was on the property?

    • Ash says:

      I had read that the car being visible from google earth was false. It’d be crazy if it was true though!

      • Dan says:

        The car was noted as a shadow on google earth. If you watched the video they said a viewer called in the tip so this part is true

    • Scott Peaker says:

      It has been a year since the car and remains were discovered. Is there any news regarding cause of death?

      • Ash says:

        His car and remains were just discovered 3 months ago. As far as I know they have not released a cause of death yet. I check every so often so and haven’t in the last few weeks so that very well could have changed.

        • MikeD says:

          I’m curious to know, but I’ve seen similar cases where we never hear anything probably because it was determined to be a suicide and the family decides to remain silent about it. I don’t think we’ll hear much unless there was foul play.

          • doofy says:

            he came from a party so he may of been intoxicated enough to make him not aware of his surroundings. notice i said may of been i dont need these web sleuths thinking im starting anything by saying that.

  515. Wanda says:

    Sgt. Mark Milligan: After reading your entire post & seeing that you have uncovered a “Vehicle Ticket” of your brother’s Harry’s car 17 days after his disappearance, tells me that someone had his car, probably even his ID, maybe his wallet. If you had known about the ticket early on, I’m sure the Officer could’ve contributed more. As far as some of his buddy’s not speaking to you, speaks volumes. Those are the ones who need to be pulled in & questioned! As far as the rumors, made up stories, etc., welcome to the world of murdered loved ones with worthless weirdos trying to insert themselves into cases. Someone had your brothers vehicle, possibly even his body & was caught with the headlamps not turned on & got pulled over. Is there a data base where you can put in the VIN # to that car from the old Title or registration papers?

    • John says:

      Looks later that he was pulled over around 9pm that night and may have gotten thr tickect then. It takes the 2 or 3 weeks for it to hit the newspaper is where they got the later date and not the ticket. Could still have been the same night as never found the ticket for time of day.

  516. Otis Driftwood says:

    Lee Andre died this past Friday. Unfortunately, he likely took the truth about Alice with him.

    • Hieronymous Bosch says:

      I won’t say that I knew Lee Andre, but I ran into him from time to time. I used to encounter him regularly at the grocery store, he would be using a scooter and have his dog with him, and would engage people in lengthy conversations about all manner of topics, from which it was very difficult to extricate oneself.

      I assumed he was a harmless old guy, probably lonely, with plenty of life experiences to share. And perhaps he was harmless, but discovering the story of Alice Van Alstine was an eye-opener. I used to imagine the next time I would run into him, I would ask if he wanted to get together to talk about his life, and see if the conversation would land on this topic.

      • Patrick Kerrigan says:

        Harry, nice of you to join the investigation. Maybe you get a few other retired LAPD detectives to assist on this case
        Maybe Chief Irving is available.

      • Otis Driftwood says:

        I also had occasion to talk with Lee numerous times over the years. Hours of conversation. You description of him is spot on. The dog you mentioned was named Princess Patti. It was very tough to ascertain where the truth ended and the fantasy began with Lee’s stories. He did, on a couple of occasions, tell me that Alice had been “an FBI informant” who had run off with her handler, and was still alive under an assumed name. Of course, I don’t believe that. My suspicion is that Lee took Alice that night, either over child custody, her having been interviewed by law enforcement, or both. As for what Lee did with her, I doubt we’ll ever know. What I found very interesting, is the fantasy Lee built around Alice’s disappearance. In my experience, only guilty people concoct such stories.

        • Jody Ewing says:

          Otis, I tend to agree with you regarding those who concoct such stories. The “she ran off with another man” narrative is a timeworn pretense. We’ve got several of them on this website.

          I also agree that he took his secret to the grave. Victims’ family members — the ones who usually know who killed their loved one — always hope and pray the offender will make a deathbed confession, and that’s rarely the case. I’ve yet to see that happen with any of our cases where everyone knew who was responsible. Thanks so much for the alert on Andre’s death.

  517. KK says:

    I would be interested to hear more information about what happened to Eugene Behrend of Millville. He died of a single gunshot wound to the chest in 1994 and going through Clayton County Register Archives, it appears there were suits between immediate family members that talked about threatening each other and other harmful behavior. It had been rumored in the area that a close family member (or person hired by a family member) had shot him over some sort of disagreement, which by the looks of it may have been related to land or a family farm. A grand jury met in 1995 and did not indict anyone on the murder charge.

  518. Christina says:

    Crpd did not do their job… I witnessed this shooting and still have ptsd and have NEVER been interviewed despite my effort to talk to the police the day it happened.

  519. Dick Jugel says:

    Here is an undated article, probably from the Omaha World Herald, that I found being used as a bookmark while browsing through a 1902 printing of an 1898 copyrighted book entitled “The Traction Engine” by James. H. Maggard, revised and enlarged by an expert engineer:

    Council Bluffs Bureau

    Authorities have learned the identity of a man whose body was found in a railroad car in Carter Lake in June.

    The dead man was Humberto Cortez, 31, a Mexican transient, according to Bob Henderson, the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation agent in charge.

    Henderson said Tuesday that the identification was made by the California Justice Department, one of the many agencies that was sent fingerprints taken from the body.

    “He had a rather extensive criminal record and had been returned to Mexico by our authorities more than once — the last time being last March,” Henderson said.

    He said the man’s record included minor crimes such as trespassing and petty theft. There were no arrests on drug or alcohol charges, Henderson said.

    The body was found June 21 in an open steel-carrying rail car in the Pasxton & Vierling Steel Co. yard.

  520. Mujahed says:


  521. UrMOm69 says:

    This wouldn’t have happened to me. I’m built different.

  522. Tyler Gardner says:

    I did it. Cold blooded.

  523. Mr. Dubbie says:

    He got 360 noscoped. Cheeks clapped kid

  524. Caylene says:

    Harry Milligan’s search actually has a Facebook group now. A lot of people in the Albia/Monroe County area want to bring him home.

  525. Dan Morgan says:

    The Scene of the Crime podcasts on this case are very informative – thank you for this Mike!

  526. MikeD says:

    I’m on board with the theory that he had an accident and since he had been drinking he got spooked and abandoned the vehicle in order to try to avoid a drunk driving charge. If he died of hyperthermia within a 4 to 5 mile radius of the vehicle you’d think he would have been found. Chances are he had warm clothes and experience with surviving in the cold, so maybe he was prepared for the walk home. Since he was already 2 miles outside of Scarville it was only around a 6 mile walk to Lake Mills.

    I’m pretty sure bar closing times were 2 am in Iowa back in 1993, so maybe it’s possible someone else from the bar driving home saw him and picked him up and something happened after that. I’m leaning more towards the possibility that he was hit and killed by a vehicle while attempting to walk home and the person covered it up and never came forward.

  527. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I wonder if the police ever recovered any fingerprints from the crime scene. It would be interesting to check the case report and see if they found prints.

    The offender most likely is deceased. But, if he committed other crimes, his prints might be in the system. Also, his place is sort off the beaten track in a way, but on a U.S Highwsy.

    It would be a long shot. Also, there is mo mention of the caliber of the firearm that he was shot with. I assume the offenders weapon, was most likely a revolver, since there is no mention of a shell casing.

  528. W anon says:

    The homeless clan claims yet another victim

  529. Don Eveland says:

    I’m interested in possible connections in the Eckels family, as my great Grandmother was a Eckels from Lenox.

  530. MikeD says:

    I know a lot of people focus on Lyric’s mother and father because of their drug history, but some people were focused more on where the girls were found: Seven Bridges Wildlife Area. It’s a niche sort of area that only has locals going to it for hunting, fishing, and seasonal morel mushroom hunting. It’s not the kind of place that many people even know about. Morel Mushroom season ends around the end of May. The girls went missing on July 13. Hardly anyone would be walking around that area much until the start of the deer hunting season. When does deer hunting usually start? December 5th. What day were the girls found? December 5th. Either it was someone who was naive to the idea that hunters would be in the area and would probably find the girls or it was someone who knew and wanted the girls to be found during hunting season.

  531. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I came across a posting on Redditt, in regards to Joyce’s murder. It appears the grandson of the individual, who supposedly found her about 3,000 yards from their family home.

    This individual was seeking more information on her case. If anyone is on that site can ask him or her that her case is posted on Iowa Cold Cases. I don’t think he or she can add more information. But they could mention what they heard from their family member.

  532. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    Nothing like following up on my comments of sorts. But, I checked a road atlas see where Grimes, Iowa was. It caught my eye that it was near Camp Dodge.

    I seem to remember either a case or comment on a case related to Camp Dodge. So, if anyone can remember please share it.

    I still come back to the bonds, as a possible motive for her disappearance. Someone locally knew about the bonds and most likely kidnapped her to get access to the money. Then she was of no use, so kill her and dump the body in the reservoir, that was still under construction.

    So, there is someone she might have confided in, that all of a sudden left the area. They might have moved to another part of the state , country and said that they came into some money.

    Possibly through an inheritance.

    A number of years ago, an Aldrich Ames, who worked the Russian Section of the CIA, gave them all the names of the sources in Russia.

    Mr. Ames, was living beyond his means for years and the CIA somehow never noticed. Until a Russian defector provided his name. Then all of a sudden the CIA, did some checking and was surprised.

  533. craig says:

    hey its Sara’s friend here and she is alive and well not dead

  534. SEAN says:

    I think his brother is probably on to the reasons he went missing however is it possible nothing nefarious happened and he accidently drove into a lake and submerged? Looking at the route to his house I see a small pond on a curve near 165th St and 67 2nd Ave. Is the pond deep enough to hide a car?

  535. Deb says:

    Whatever happened to Pastor Kelly! My mother was raised in Villisca and her brother-i-law was a private detective from the railroad on the case. My mother is no longer living nor any of her family that I can inquire with.

    I heard that dogs had tracked the murderer to the river and lost the scent!

  536. linda says:

    I believe the lady that owned the home to Dan Heiber had something to do with this.

  537. Ash says:

    Are they going to be investigating his death or do they know pretty well what happened?

  538. Laura Heinisch says:

    looking for information on a cold case involving the name Hollingsworth. Supposedly the neighbor was a suspect. Happened a long time ago, the people would be over 100 years old today.

  539. Melanie W says:

    This is a very strange case. I believe that “Munchausen Syndrome” was passed down rather than Helen killing her siblings. Or she was traumatized by her siblings natural deaths. But that many doesn’t seem natural to me. And it doesn’t seem like the grandmother raised any alarm bells for her grandchildren’s deaths. So tragic and evil. Just think. Helen’s daughters would be in their 40’s now. One would have been turning 51 in a few days. So strange all the girls died, But one son survived.

  540. Carole Ann Kelderman says:

    I remember when this happened as I worked in Albia at the time. I often wondered about water. I have recently been binge watching a YouTube channel called Adventures With Purpose. I am not tech savvy, but I wonder if someone here can bring this to their attention? They specialize in underwater vehicle recovery, and recently brought up the car and remains of Ethan K. in Hampton, Iowa, bringing some resolution to a tragic case that had remained unsolved for decades. If there is any reason to believe the car is in water, we need to talk with them. They refer to “open source investigations” where we can share ideas, but I am not sure what that means or where to find it. I am asking if anyone here can help hook AWP up with this case if you believe it is a possibility Harry may be in the water somewhere. Thank you. I am so sorry for the loss this family has had to deal with.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      Carol, that is a great idea, since the car is missing also. Their are a large number of missing person cases where the vehicle they owned or were driving is missing. Also, a number of these cases have been resolved by finding the vehicle in a body of water.

      About a year or two ago, a surveyor was looking at a Google Earth image of an area of Florida. On the image he saw what CV looked like a yellow in color vehicle in a man made Lake. Ne notified authorities and they recovered the car and closed a missing persons case.

    • Michael says:

      I think a simple answer would be a drunk driving accident?,how messed up was he that night?,did he simply drive into a lake or pond and drown?,maybe that’s why nobody knows anything? new to this site and just throwing it out there,I mean c’mon someone should have talked by now?

    • Darlene says:

      Carol Mark has them involved they have searched a few places of interest. Will continue until we have answers.

  541. Pamela S Scott says:

    19 Years later Douglas brother Joshua Meth has turned up dead. They have ruled a sueside . Nothing adds ups. None of the paper matches and this is my second who has died in this town. I have reason to believe that there is more. No one would let me see Josh’s body.

  542. Meaghan Pike says:

    The Auction company should be a place to really scope out. I used to date the owner’s son who is in prison now, and would work for his Dad when we dated to help set up auctions and help them run and pack up. At that point in time, I was a drug addict and all the help he hired to help at auctions were troubled people that were paid under the table. I also live in Stuart and have of course heard the gossip and the names people suspected. Since gossip is always a mixed bag of credible and not credible, you listen but don’t believe everything you hear. But all the names mentioned around town were people that had worked for the auction house, and their acquaintances. I hope they find Kay, and the killer/killers and give the family a small measure of justice.

  543. After reading the article and comments, the only thing that stood out was ” he didn’t take his dog with him, because his dog would probably have ended up shot too, because that dog wouldn’t let nothing happen to him.” Hathaway basically let the cat out of the bag with that comment. He’s the one doing all the talking, was a good friend of Kenny, and was going to a trade school to become a motorcycle mechanic. In 3 very short weeks after going to AZ, he gets a call that Kenny is missing. Hathaway is very quick to point the finger at different people and accuse of knowing what happened: Mikey Bush, his ex-wife and Hammerhead. For being a good friend of Kenny, I would think he’d have more to say about him versus everyone else he seems to know everything about. If it weren’t for Hathaway talking, there would be no article as shown above. Occum’s razor.

  544. Andrew says:

    Were there any water searches done at the time? Searching around the various Missouri River boat ramps in Sioux City for her Honda Accord would probably be a good start. Google Maps shows one less than 12 minutes away from the home, but there are others. She might have left earlier than her husband thinks. Considering she left without her purse, she might have planned to end her life by driving into the river. She may have driven down a boat ramp while it was still dark out, turned off the car lights, and drove into the water without being noticed. This would be a good one for the Adventures with Purpose guys to check out. I know they did some work in the Missouri River before.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      Andrew, it appears a search was done at the.boat ramp. However, there might be other ways a vehicle could have entered the river or another body of water. However, the fact that her SS Death Index, is the day before she disappeared is odd. It could be a typo by whoever’s entered it.

      The mention of an unknown medical condition also plays a part in her disappearance. We don’t know if she had any mental health issues.

      Also, we have the young man, who sees the ghost of a older woman in the kitchen, is weird. I guess the family has learned to love with her.

      • Andrew says:

        A friend of mine had a similar thing happen in her family. It turned out her grandma received a brain cancer diagnosis a couple of days prior to her disappearance. She was found in a lake near her childhood home and no notes were left. Maybe it’s possible that Helen had some sort of medical condition that worsened and she decided to not let it win.

        A lot of times these underwater searches that were done previously weren’t successful because the technology wasn’t as good. Very similar to how old DNA testing techniques weren’t as good. It would be good to check again.

      • Barb says:

        If her husband last saw her the day before she disappeared may be why they use that date. He was only assuming she left around 7 or 8 a.m. But if he last laid eyes on her when they went to bed. Would have been the day before she was discovered missing.

    • Laura Benson says:

      Andrew, Adventures with Purpose is planning to be in Sioux City mid January to look into this and two other cold cases!

  545. Tim says:

    I think Jason Carter killed his mother he needs to be in prison for the rest of his life

  546. SB Hurst says:

    So does Adventures with a Purpose get the reward since they found car and remains. They deserve it

    • Paul says:

      They should but somehow the reward disappeared

      Someone is a welcher

    • SH says:

      Our official response at this time…

      We would be honored to accept the $100,000 Reward so we can further our efforts in helping other families like Ethan’s.

      However, the $100,000 Reward which has been renewed annually every September at the anniversary of Ethan missing, and extended yearly beyond its original 2015 effective date, is suddenly no longer available from the anonymous donors claiming the reward expired in 2015 even though it has been confirmed by multiple News Stations as late as September 2020 that the reward was still in effect.

      In full transparency, Ethan’s family was kind in making a smaller donation of their own. We appreciate their gratitude for our efforts in bringing Ethan home.

      Donations and rewards are how we are able to fund our operations in helping families such as Ethan’s.

      We do hope that those donors involved will honor their commitment so that we can use the $100,000 reward to purchase additional gear and continue our efforts in helping other families in locating their lost loved ones.

      Thank you to each and every one of you for your support.

      • CSJ says:

        HAMPTON, Iowa —
        The Hampton Police Department wants to remind Iowans that it has been nearly seven years since Ethan Kazmerzak went missing, and a reward for his safe return still stands.

        Kazmerzak would now be 29 years old. He went missing sometime in the early morning hours on Sept. 15, 2013.

        Police said at the time Ethan went missing, he had dark blond hair, had a beard, wears glasses, and has a Grateful Dead tattoo on his upper left arm. He was last seen wearing peach/orange colored shorts and a white/teal printed shirt. He was driving a silver 2006 Volkswagen Jetta TDI with Iowa license plate AUZ382. The car and Ethan still are missing.

        There is still a $100,000 reward offered for any relevant and useful information that leads to the current location and/or safe return of Ethan Kazmerzak. Police said the reward has been pooled together by a group of anonymous donors.

        Anyone with information is asked to call North Iowa Crime Stoppers at 1-800-383-0088or the Hampton Police Department at 1-641-456-2529.

        • Tim Hansen says:

          That must of been The chief Bob Schaffer HPD. His untruthfullness should be questioned . Look into things that disappear under his management for other court cases if someone digs you’ll find things m

  547. M Palmer says:

    Interestingly detectives are hoping advances in DNA technology will solve her case. They think there’s a small amount of degraded DNA from her killer under her fingernails. However, they’re concerned this will be the last opportunity as they fear it’ll be used up if they do it now.

  548. Mike Morford says:

    The Scene of the Crime podcast, S2 EP 3 ‘The Investigation Continues’ is out now diving further into the murders of Roger & Rose! This episode covers the extensive investigation that extended into multiple states as detectives tracked down everyone at the hotel that night. We look at a mysterious phone call that came in for the room registered to “Burkert.” Investigators begin to retrace Roger and Rose’s steps in the days leading up to the murders.…/scene-of-the-crime-season-2…

  549. Ashley says:

    What is the person name the vehicle was owned by that vanished? Im sure they may have resurfaced?

    • MIkeD says:

      Some articles are saying they believe it to be his car and some flat out say that it is his car that was found. No word yet if there are remains inside of it, but I imagine the chances are pretty high.

      • Lisa says:

        I hate to say it .. but I hope! 🤞 So that his family & friends can find closure after all of these years!

      • Brent says:

        This dive team is the one that located. They verified the plate number, and human remains inside.

        • MikeD says:

          I found out about that YouTube channel a few weeks ago. They are doing a great job and completely exposing law enforcement’s lack of initiative in a lot of cases. Glad to see they came to Iowa and helped out with this case. There are a number of cases in Iowa that I feel could be solved in this way. Helen Kelly’s is one of them.

          • MikeD says:

            People are sharing Google Maps images where you can actually see the vehicle from the satellite photos in the pond. I’m sure if it’s legit, but it’s the right area.

            • SteveC says:

              Video says location of find is at:

              42.808763, -93.232556

              I have looked at Google Maps and do not see anything – I wonder what others are seeing.

              • Kirsten says:

                I looked on google earth and came up with this
                42°48’24.6″N 93°13’36.3″W

                Rest in peace Ethan