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  1. Amber says:

    If any of the family of Colleen reads this you may want to follow the Donal Studey investigation in Thurman Iowa. Lucy Studey Mckiddy his daughter claims he killed multiple people and was witness to it. One of the people she claims was a 15 year old which is close to Colleen’s age. You may want to follow this case if they are able to excavate and find remains.

  2. Amber says:

    Long shot but Donald Studey investigation in Thurman Iowa. Lucy Studey McKiddy claims one of the murdered victims was 15 and Colleen was 14. I just felt like I should mention this in case they find remains. I’ve continuously thought of this girl since I moved to Bedford. In case someone is reading this who’s family you may want to follow that case.

  3. Ligma Balls says:

    John Hossack an L for this

  4. Marcie Feather says:

    Was there an investigation done at the time or during the time she was identified? Cause of death? Any issues in her personal life at the time? Cold cases are solved everyday with news fresh eyes and attention.

  5. Marcie says:

    Here we are in 2022. Has there been any DNA evidence processed? Even though hard to process but if DNA was not collected at the time, there is an option for exhuming the sweet baby and with advances in ancestral DNA and the popularity it might be worth a chance at finally getting justice for him.

  6. Chris says:

    Why would there be a Boy Scout camp-out in February? It’s the second coldest month of the year, on average, in Iowa. Were they actually sleeping in tents outside or would they have been in a building? I find it kind of bizarre to be camping outside in the winter. Most campgrounds in Iowa are closed that time of year.

    • Jim Farrell says:

      I found that alarming too but apparently it was the norm.
      I never fell in with extra curricular activites so I’m no one to judge.
      It does appear strange though that not only was it cold February but they were also playing outdoors AT NIGHT.
      That poor family.

  7. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    This case is frustrating. Mr. Anderson is found injured on November 30, 1987, and dies the next day. There are no details, on how he was injured. I guess he purposely walked real fast into a brick wall, and the medical examiner could not figure out how he died.

    So, the police department keeps it a secret to protect the investigation. So But wants the public’s help to them figure out how he was injured. So, I guess providing a few tidbits, such as was he shot, stabbed, beaten, thrown off a tall building.

    So, he has been dead over 30 some years and the Davenport Police are still protecting the investigation. Maybe they don’t want the public to know that they mishandled something in the investigation.

    Here in Chicago, two girls ages 17cand 13 were found murdered in September 1972, in Washington Park. They were shot with a .32 caliber firearm, also their bodies were positioned in the shape of the letter VEE. Their murder has not been solved, but we know the cause of death and the caliber of firearm used.

    I later learned from someone, that the 17 year old girl, worked at the restaurant and motel for truckers. However, the place was owned by a member of the Chicago Mob, who worked for some senior mob leaders in the Bridgeport section of Chicago.

    I recently came across a book about unsolved murder in Canaryvill section of Chicago. Canaryville borders Bridgeport. A high school senior was shot in a drive by in the same time frame. The shooting was witnessed and they went to the police. However, the offender was the son of a local mob guy, so he was protected by his dear old dad, and the senior leadership of the Chicago Police Department, and the mayor.

    The offender later shot and killed his girlfriend with a .32 caliber firearm. Again he was protected by fear old dad.

    But, at least we have some details to work with. So, maybe someday the Davenport Police will admit to some details before a certain place freezes over.

  8. Lincoln says:

    Who exactly reported that she was planning to hitchhike to Iowa City, and also who exactly reported seeing her hitchhiking around 6pm the evening of the 18th? Also, why could the firearm used never be identified? From what I understand 4 rounds were discharged and the caliber or make, model or the gun was never revealed.

  9. Russ Heiser says:

    Jim
    Another “Turkey Day” or “Ham”?
    Anything to Add? The DIVERS and probally “Cavers”!

  10. Matt Drury says:

    I have been told twice,
    that jeffrey bond was the killer via his daughter and friend, Bond died last year. I dont believe anyone jokes about stuff like that.

  11. LuAnn says:

    Happy Heavenly 30th Birthday John Jr….You Have Touched So Many Lives & & Will Always Be Loved ..

    Remembering You Today & Always
    Forever In Our Hearts ❤🎈🍦🎂

    Thinking Of The Snyder Family Today ❤🙏
    God Bless

  12. C says:

    “At the time, Matlock was dressed in a white Denver Broncos ‘Terrell Owens’ jersey, blue jeans and black Nike tennis shoes.”

    Terrell Owens never played for the Denver Broncos. This is misleading. I would guess he was wearing a Terrell Davis jersey.

    Not a big deal and most likely not enough to make a difference but thought it should be pointed out.

  13. Debbie Poyer says:

    Why have they not done reverse DNA? I heard they had a person of interest and this may have been a murder for hire. She was a good person and did not deserve this.

  14. no says:

    Extreme negligence on the part of police department. I’d sue the hell out of them.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      I find it really incredible, that if the local agencies had no one properly trained to process the crime scene. This did not take place in the 1950’s, 60’s or 1970’s, but in 2007.

      They should had an agreement, with the DCI, another law enforcement agency, FBI or whoever to someone process the crime scene.

      Also, they should have also had the building restricted and posted no entry until the fire department of state fire marshal could certify that it was safe for entry.

      The FBI has mobile crime scene teams that are trained, and could have been requested.

  15. DC says:

    There is a tie to him and other cold cases like Jodi Huisentruit, Bobbi Crawford, Ashley Okland, Brian Blachut and possibly Connie Ruddy. Also two cases not cold yet.

  16. Merlyn Sanchez says:

    Sounds like one of DeBardeleben’s crimes. I wonder if he’s been looked into.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_DeBardeleben

  17. Joseph Rolland Wilmot says:

    I believed what my family said at the time and still believe to this day. A Dubuque Police officer committed this crime. It was known as a police restaurant and officers were known to be there at all hours. There is a reason no progress was ever made in this case and the only reason is because an officer was involved. Back then the Dubuque police was known to ” protect the badge ” at all cost. I was raised in that town in an area known then as the “flats” and I can attest to just how crocked the PD was back then. 1 honest cop in the bunch and that was “Pig Smitty”. He had a pigs head belt buckle and a tattoo the said “proud to be a pig” with a pigs head on his forearm.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      Mr. Wilmot. I would agree with you, but her murder actually look like a rage killing. It appears someone was upset with her, for whatever reason.

      I agree that the crime scene was mishandled, but then that was sort of the way, things were done, back then. How, the crime scene is handled and processed, including taking pictures can provide many answers. It surprises me that she was hidden in a cooler. The other thing, that bugs me is this is a restaurant, yet there is no cook. Did she do everything at this place.

      There have been any number of women killed by being stabbed more than the 30 times that Jackie was. A 18-year-woman, was found murdered in New Jersey. She died on blunt force trauma, to both sides of her head. Then she was stabbed 66 times after she was already dead from a skull fracture. This incident took place in 1965.

      In Wisconsin another young woman, working late to answer the phones at a manufacturing plant, was stabbed to death over 100 times. Her boyfriend was looked at. However, hexwas basic training and laterxshipped out for Vietnam. He was killed in action.

      Plus, the weapon of choice was a pair of scissors, and not a knife. A knife in a restaurant would definitely be a weapon of choice.

      You refer to the area called the flats. I assume that is an area from the A & B bar was down towards the river. I am somewhat familiar with Dubuque. Have not been there in a number of years. I remember the single lane toll bridge going to Wisconsin, and the restaurant there.

  18. DC says:

    Better hurry he is in the CGSO jail!

  19. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I have a few questions. They were last seen at an auction in Stuart. It makes me wonder if they purchased something, that someone wanted really badly and was outbid. Maybe it was something they might have sold at that auction.

    Then we have their truck stolen and then dumped 200 miles away. Which seem a long way to drive a vehicle and dump it. Also, I wonder what route they may have taken to get from Norwalk, to Kansas City. Such as taking Interstate-35 or U.S. Highway 69. It might be that Kay, body was dumped along the way.

    But, why take her along. Was it someone they knew and trusted, and if they truck was seen by driven by a stranger might have attracted attention. But. If she was along for the ride, it would be okay.

    Another question is does the auction house, have any clients in Kansa City, that they might send them a flyer about the auction.

    • Brandi Weber says:

      These are all good questions that we asked back when this all began. Unfortunately we have little to no information. William’s truck did have on star but what they have found from that we do not know. The dci did go to auction house but no information of what came of that has been shared. We have gotten vague timelines as to when they left the auction (sometime around its ending) when the truck arrived at the apartment complex in Missouri. (Late afternoon early evening) and the fire started around 11 pm…….most of what we have are rumours, and not very many answers or updates from the DCI…..William was shot multiple times, whoever did this to them is still out there. They deserve justice and we the family deserve answers….Thank you all who are helping keep this alive with questions, sharing the story or fliers on Facebook etc. And even for the theories and questions I disagree with! (My grandmother did not do this to William she too is a victim) but I understand speculating and wondering and as upsetting as it is to see that too keeps their story out there. So again Thank You!

      • Magicgem says:

        My sincere condolences on the loss of your mother Kay and William. I am just learning of this case. Could you please tell me if your uncle Ross Allen has any relation to Richard Matthew Allen? Thank you.

  20. Adrienne says:

    I don’t understand this at all. An ancestry.com test costs a few hundred bucks – why on earth can’t the DNA be run through a database like that? What am I missing?

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      I am sorry but the testing and the necessary research runs about $5000.00. However, there are organizations that take donations and provide the funds the do the testing

      I have come across an individual who has kicked his own money to find the cost of the tests.

      • doofy says:

        id say lets do it regardless of cost. its amazing how much our local and federal government will waste on endless wars and funding ukraine but will not even blink an eye to figure out whose child this was

  21. Cathy Neumann says:

    I have been reading through all of the comments regarding William and Kay Wood. I am the oldest child of Kay. She has six children three live in Iowa and three live in Maine. I live in Maine and I can tell you it is very difficult for us to believe that we still have no information regarding the disappearance of our mother. I see lot of posting regarding William. He was a wonderful man and so good to my mother. They visited me in Maine once a year and would have been making the annual trip after William’s birthday. Although sad William’s family has some closure as they have their father’s body. We have nothing, we have no closure. All we are asking at this time is to find out where our mother is so that we can have some closure. Find her and worry about who did it later. I have started letter writing to Warren County Sheriff Dept. regarding the case as they are handling the case. It is very confusing as to who is doing what sometimes I don’t know if the right hand knows what the left is doing, but I keep hoping that they come up with something. Don’t want this to be a cold case. If you know anything about where to find our mother please, please let someone know

    • Melonie L. Wood says:

      I believe you are right. Although we all would love closure as to who and why. Knowing what happened to To Kay should be top of the list. We both lost the people we loved that night. But we only know what happened to my father and were able to lay him to rest. I’ve never stopped thinking about Kay or wondering if it may be possible to lay her to rest also. We all need answers. Please believe me when I say my heart feels your pain and your loss. This case needs to be re opened.

  22. James Knapp says:

    The couple were Catherine Christopher Slaughter and Rodney Layne Johnson. Both were U of I students.

  23. Arthur Capriotti says:

    Krista,
    I knew Steve when he lived in New Jersey. He worked for me for a couple of years. He would often talk about his two sisters and his grandmother back in Iowa. I hope they find out what happened to him.
    Art Capriotti

  24. Ken Whitehead II says:

    I was 4 years old when this happened, and I lived right next door. My mom, who is now deceased, always said she believed that Darleen was buried under the basement floor. She believed this because she said she was awakened in the middle of the night to the sounds of loud banging coming from the corner house. She didn’t remember for sure what the date was, but she felt it coincided with the date that this woman disappeared. My mom and Darleen were neighborly friends and were only a year apart in age. I’m sure my parents were probably interviewed by the police at some point during the investigation due to their bedroom being directly next to the Fitchett home. I sincerely hope that at some point, if her remains are really buried at 717 Franklin, someone will find them so she can have a proper burial…

    • Janette Fitchett Stutsman says:

      Ken Whitehead II, thank you for stopping by Mother’s Cold Case site. Mother’s body was not found in the basement during the DMPD dig there. I can only imagine what plans Father had to dispose of her body. Like the “Bog Man” what is left of her will be found someday. Remember to honor Jodi who keeps my Mother in our memory. I must say I am mortified that your Mum and Dad had to hear the disturbing things going on in that house that night.

      • Julia Day Torres says:

        Jeanette Stutsman, I would love to talk you. You can call me at 479-715-3770 or email at jdday2001@yahoo.com. Sure do miss you ❤️.

        Julia (McMahon) Torres

        • Janette Fitchett Stutsman says:

          Julia Day Torres, As I explained to my high school sweetheart, Mother’s Cold case site is the incorrect forum for anyone to be discussed except Mother and her murder. Respect for Jody and her work is a sacred thing to my Family. My reclusive life is of no interest to you. Please move forward with your life, not back.
          .

  25. DC says:

    Look into Aaron Ryerson

    • Justice says:

      Why do you think it’s him?

      • DC says:

        He’s on my radar for other Iowa Cold Cases. Moved to W Des Moines 2 weeks prior to her death and 5 miles from the murder scene. Looks to be the muscle for the late Dustin Honken and Angela Johnson’s drug ring. I would say this was a murder for hire on a drug debt by someone close to Ashley.

  26. DC says:

    Look into Aaron Ryerson

  27. DC says:

    Look into Aaron Ryerson

  28. DC says:

    Look into Aaron P Ryerson

    • DC says:

      It will tie everything together with Jodi Huisentruit, Gerald Best, Bobbi Crawford, Brian Blachut, Mildred Clemenson, Ashley Okland.

  29. DC says:

    Look into Aaron P Ryerson

  30. DC says:

    Look into Aaron P Ryerson

  31. DC says:

    Look into Aaron P Ryerson

    • MikeD says:

      I’m sure they have, if I recall his name is all over Dustin Honken trial. Mason City PD has clearly shown us who they suspect with these GPS warrant years ago,.

      • DC says:

        And it didn’t pan out to charges against JV! The police have accusations of being involved. May I remind you of the years that have gone by in control of MCPD? Did you see the part where he was using the meth without paying for it? That was his payment for being the muscle of the drug ring. Honken offered drugs and money to an inmate to kill for him! Much more can be said about other cases he is involved in but this is a start.

        • DC says:

          Mike you can’t ignore that he lived 3 months with a murder victim the exact amount of time that the victim was under a drug investigation. A career criminal who is never in jail when these Iowa Cold Cases happen. Honken never planning to kill a person using his drugs for free? He lived 1 block from Vansice house in Mason City, 1.5 miles from Key appts. 3/4 of a mile from Bobbi Crawford, moved to West Des Moines 2 weeks before and 5 miles away from Ashley Okland!

  32. YODA says:

    I made a comment, and checked spelling twice, yet comment appears with spelling errors! GRRRR!

  33. YODA says:

    Common denominators; The boys were paper boys, they all were abducted
    In the Des Moines area, they were all the same age group,. Look for what is there that belongs there,Molokai for what belongs there but is missing, look for what is there tha should not be, and ask who stands to gain from the actions taken. Ask who was in the area, and left the area after the crime/s.
    Ask who acts “that way” and check if they bought handcuffs, rope, condoms

  34. Carol Gottberg says:

    Could the young man be the missing paperboy Johnny Gosch. He bears a resemblance?

  35. Adam M. says:

    “Sheriff Burt Muir says he thinks the case will be solved quickly.”

    “I believe this is going to get solved. How quick I’m not sure, but it’s going to get solved,” the sheriff said.\

    Yet still cold case? Wonder what fell through?

    • Aaron Miner says:

      There are people who believe I had something to do with Ryan’s death and to be truthful I don’t understand how someone would even mention My name unless that same someone had something to hide.
      I also want to include that there once was a female officer of Leon by the name of Blake Kofoid who once told Me something I will never forget. She was in tears when She told Me She believed Me and that She knew I had no part in His death. She stated that there was a female who was not in uniform in decatur County who had the authority to discontinue DCI’s investigation with the case. Something about lack of evidence and I believe some political BS concerning jurisdiction or the length in timing of the investigation. Furthermore I do understand now and am led to have determined and in My own belief that the woman She didn’t know who but the woman She had spoke to Me about is Lisa Jeanes whom is also known as the decatur County district attorney. Lisa Jeanes has a nephew who is named Nick Phelps whom I am led to believe is one individual behind Ryan’s death. I pray that Ryan’s family and others as well as Myself will one day see the justice that is deserved! I wish I knew more that I could say however I must leave that to Ryans family. More specifically His Mother Tammy. I am so sorry that I was not there to help Ryan when He needed it the most and if He is watching I just gotta say that I Love Him like a brother and I will never stop piecing the facts. Fact is Belinda Reed You are guilty of knowing some critical information in regards to this. Also why was Ryan’s FBT never spoken of when found and pulled out the ditch next day on h45 north of leon. Also what about this gun that Ben Grove had spoken of seeing when interacting with either Ryan’s babies momma or Nick Phelps or the two individuals altogether. May We solve this one day and place all corrupt officials on the stand and out of office. Lisa Jeanes You are protecting either Your nephew or You are protecting Your interests. I’m confused because I thought all people had to follow by the same rules and laws which are supposed to be applied to US all but I guess just as Angela Hill gets special treatment from the prosecution so does Lisa Jean’s and all other corrupt officials or non officials working amongst Us with legal authority in the Decatur County iowa and other surrounding areas!!! Try to prove Me wrong and U may just solve this case!

  36. Michelle Christie says:

    Just watched Accused, I believe the ‘evidence’ doesn’t prove or disprove John. The whole time I was leaning towards the father Bill’s involvement but I don’t think that was clear cut either. I think the whole investigation was conducted with tunnel vision and Ludwick/Ludwig (whatever his name) was embarrassing and proved he never followed up because he went with his own judgement! Not facts! I personally don’t believe Jason committed this crime.

    • Paula Jones says:

      I agree fully. Sadly once tunnel vision becomes the direction of any case the evidence does not take the investigator/s in the right direction. This case may never truly be solved because Ludwig’s tunnel vision meant that many issues were not followed up on and quite possibly evidence was ignored that didn’t fit his theory.
      As someone who studied Criminology, I struggle to understand his thinking and his processes. Whether a Cold Case Team could solve this case is something that without all the complete facts is doubtful
      So many lives have been ruined completely because of this very sad case. Not only did they loose a wife, mother, daughter, sister etc but false accusations hang over all involved as long as the true culprit is not caught, send to trial and found guilty. My prayer is that the Police finally do their job right and start from scratch with open hearts and minds and follow only the evidence to it rightful conclusion.

  37. Tina L McAninch says:

    Hi Betsy. Wanted to ask if there has been any updates to your Dad? Your Dad had dated my mom. Your Dad was always very sweet towards me. Always had a smile on his face and was so welcoming when I would see him at my moms. I pray there will be a day your family receives resolution for your Dad.

  38. anon says:

    This is the newest video on his Youtube account that has had the name changed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H8bUxP5vbw

    Anyway, if you go in to 57 seconds, there is a written statement:
    “Jesse Nimaja y Abel Efebo unidos por siempre tiene un relacion.” This means Jesse Nimaja and Abel Efebo are united forever and have a relationship.

    Seems to me like Jesse might be a child predator.

  39. anon says:

    One of his aliases is “Juan Carlos Simay Nimaja.” The “Simay” is likely “Simaj.” Here is a facebook for someone with that purported name: https://www.facebook.com/juancarlos.simajnimaja

    If you save his photo and do a google image search, it’s actually a photo of a Spanish rapper named Porta.

  40. Raychel says:

    Jeff Gannon is Johnny.. changed his name few times but always keeps the initials the poor soul here thinking he’s Jonny needs help .. noreen has personally met jeff now and they’re keeping that private . You must understand that Jeff is in a very special situation and only those privy to that information know. Noreen and Jeff are in contact and that is all I will say so please respect their privacy and to that man who thinks he’s Johnny . It’s very sad that you are experiencing this . Please get help and for the missing memories in you’re life please don’t add other people’s memories to suit you I’m sure you will find the truth eventually. I’d like to add this even though it’s all very sad , noreen is full welll in the knowledge regarding what happened to Johnny and has some sort of peace of mind now and will not be looking further on the quest to find Johnny as she doesn’t have to now . Make if it what you will but please like we asked leave the family alone and Thankyou fir all of you’re concern over the years .

  41. Gramma says:

    My memory isn’t great, but I seem to remember a mcdonald ave having a 50313 zip code. If that’s correct, the address would be a north and south street, just north of Euclid.

  42. Katherine Clark says:

    Soon will be 7 years and still not a lead or nothing while my son was taken just a cold case. With no answer

  43. C says:

    I am a life long resident of Des Moines. Born and raised. I am not familiar with McDonald Ave. Even when I google it, nothing comes up. Is it possible the street name has changed since this awful murder? Just trying to find out where this took place. I haven’t heard of Frank’s place either but I’m sure it’s a different business now.

  44. Fiona says:

    Who wrote this article

  45. norma black says:

    See my post on facebook.

  46. […] was adopted at 18. Harry was adopted by Mark's grandparents when he was just a few months old. Iowa Cold Cases reports that Mark told Dateline, "That's how me and Harry became brothers. We don't […]

  47. Omaha PaperBoy says:

    Three person of interest that should be looked at.

    #1: Jerry Wintz: Jerry was part of the 5 guys that went to prison for the child sex ring. He was Chatsworth The Reindeer at Merle Hay May and lived at 6114 Rollins Avenue ( 8 minutes from where Johnny was kidnapped ). What interesting about Jerry is if you look at the profile of the Omaha Paperboys the FBI said the killer would be a loner and would take jobs that would interact with children and most likely be a soccer coach or scoutmaster which John J. Joubert was a scout leader. Jerry is involved in the Boy Scouts Sexual Cases. https://boyscoutssexualabuse.com/wp-content/uploads/iv_files/bsa_jerry-d-wintz.pdf. He doesn’t look like the person in the sketch and was 235lbs, but depending on his sex ring he may be involved in some way. Jerry worked at the Iowa State Fair – I find it odd that Johnny left for his paper route without his dad because he was going to go to the Iowa State Fair and Eugene article mentioned the Iowa State Fair – IS there a connection to the Iowa State Fair back in those days like Peony Park’s Sprite Night was in Omaha?

    #2: Sam Soda: Sam was the private investigator who involved himself in the case and supposedly told Noreen that an “informant” told they knew when the next paperboy would go missing. Sam ran for City Council in which he was caught in a lie stating he received some war medals. In the article that mentions Sam running for city Council it list his home address as 14th and Emma. Marc Allen went missing from 10th & Emma and Eugene went missing from SW 14th & Highview. Both of these locations are roughly like 5 minutes apart of each other. Sam also lived in Martindale, Iowa at some point would would put him in the Warren County area ( The license plate was warren county ). Sam wewnt to Dowling High School and would be familiar with the location Johnny went missing. Sam also travelled lived in Buffalo, NY and Kansas City and travelled a lot when he worked for Robert Bosch company – It’s mentioned that Sam as a private investigator would drive around at night and possible he may have shown the boys some type of badge to make them feel comfortable in talking with him. Sam was also a Polk County Deputy according in one of the articles and Noreen said Johnny was talking to some type of cop under the bleachers at her other son’s. Sam is also a dead ringer for the sketch that was taken and his family came from Italy that might make him look more latin as the description indicates. Does Noreen seem more crazy in here theories because of Sam’s involvement?

    #3: John J. Joubert: The Omaha paperboy killer actually killed an 11 year old boy 14 days before Johnny Gosch went missing in Maine. The thing is in the 14 days there is no real information on the whereabouts of John J. Joubert. He at some point had to report to Bellvue, Nebraska Offuett Air Force Base. John Joubert fits the weight and height of the sketch and in most of his pictures he really looks like three different types of people. John Joubert was driving a tan Nova Sedan which looks similiar to the Ford Fairmont. The main difference with John Joubert is all his victims were found and Johnny has never been discoved and he was arrested before Eugene Martin and Marc Allen went missing.

    Wilbur Millhouse would be another potential player, but yellowbag who says he was approached by someone knew who Wilbur was, but did see they guy who approached him with Wilbur at a some type of Des Moines Register event. Wilbur had 2200 peoples names in a book and said he was trying to recruit paperboys. Was Johnny and Eugene’s name in this book?

    • Tri State Girl says:

      https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26108166/mar-15-1986-reg-man-who-had-been/

      Jerry was busted with the other men mentioned in the article. Maybe they look like the sketch?

    • Yellow Bag says:

      The man who tried to abduct me in 1982 was driving a Ford Fairmont, not a Chevy Nova. I remember the two rectangular headlights, which was I see online was standard for the Fairmont Futura that came out in 1978. The car was covered with snow, but I remember it as white, or maybe two-tone white and grey. Funny thing–I went out East for college in 1986, and had a girlfriend who drove an old Fairmont. It creeped me out every time I saw her car coming because I remembered the evil dude who tried to get me into that same kind of car four years earlier.

      It’s hard to remember a lot of details 40 years after the fact, but I don’t think Joubert would have been old enough to be the man who tried to abduct me. I’m guessing the abductor was at least 25 years old. The thing I remember the most is his orange and blue reflective jacket, and the way he kept looking in his rearview mirror to see if anyone saw him talking to me. He did not look like the photo of Wintz at all, or John Rossi’s sketch of the guy at 42nd and Ashworth the morning Johnny was kidnapped. Dark hair, angry dark eyes, well-trimmed mustache, Caucasian, and accent like he was from somewhere out East.

      I actually met Sam Soda through the Faded Out podcast and had lunch with him. Anyone who thinks Sam was involved is barking up the wrong tree. Yes, Sam could brag and tell some stories, but he came across to me as a guy with a big heart. Sam thought the kidnapper was a total lone wolf (if he partnered with anyone someone would have ratted him out for reward).

  48. Katie T says:

    While searching, I found his name to be associated with an AKA Linn, Allen Snyder that goes by Linn, Allen. The same source showed a current address of 2221 S Indiana Ave., Joplin, MO. since March 2016. It also showed a past address and AKA matching Snyder, Linn Allen – 21950 Green Valley Ave., Council Bluffs, IA.

    Associated persons listed on the site (also listing Linn’s former Council Bluffs address) were a Snyder, Jimmie Wayne and Snyder, Amy Neomi (married) belonging to the same address 2221 S Indiana Ave., Joplin, MO. since 2008, which I verified on the Jasper County Missouri Beacon site.

    I completed a search of Snyder, Amy N on Spokeo which returned to a female in her 70s living in Joplin, MO. Under the “Family Members” section read “Amy resides in a single family home in Joplin, Missouri with Jimmie.” as well as “Amy and Linn Snyder reside together in a single family home in Joplin, Missouri.”

    I guess I don’t know the source is just associating Linn with the address in Missouri, but I found it odd that Jimmie and Amy belonged to the address starting in 2008, while Linn starting in 2016 – and maybe something to look further into.

  49. Tom Lee says:

    Deb Barringer ever get married or name change?

  50. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I love that the police department could not take the time to provide us the public.on how Mr. Wright was murdered. I assume an autopsy was conducted by a coroner or medical examiner. The cause of death. should at least be provided to back up their claim, that he was murdered. I guess it wasn’t important.

    Recently county authorities in Pennsylvania, are reinvestigating the death of a young women. She was found stabbed to death, and it was determined that she committed suicide although she was stabbed in the back and her neck.

    Authorities did not find any signs of forced entry, so she stabbed herself to death. I guess it was not worth it to determine that she might have let her killer into her residence, possibly someone she knew.

  51. William B Brown says:

    The gun used to kill Stump maybe in kensett Iowa now

  52. Justice says:

    Has anyone ever looked into Reza Kargarzadeh? He is a wealthy business man in West Des Moines with a private jet. He has plastic manufacturing plants throughout the country and family ties to Colorado. He looks like the suspect composite.

    • Rattus says:

      If he is that wealthy, he probably would not have been driving a cheap Ford Fairmont.

      • Justice says:

        He wasn’t wealthy only middle class the year Johnny was abducted. In Persian and Afgan culture it is common for a thing called boy play where its a status symbol to have boys for sex slaves and pleasure. “Straight” men do this as part of the Islamic culture all the time and as disgusting as it is even the women accept it.

      • Justice says:

        I know that he has been involved in lots of illegal activity including recording sex tapes to pass around. He is known for providing favors, jobs, etc. He is a master at grooming young moms with children. The locations of his plastic plants should be aligned with other cases as he is known to frequently travel using a private jet to his business location where I am sure he does other activities.

        • Justice says:

          Here are the locations of his manufacturing. Interestingly one is in Mexico. He has family ties in Colorado, California and Florida. He has also been known to travel internationally to places like Iran.

          EPC plastic manufacturing is the name of the business. EPC, Inc. plants span across the following US locations:
          Alabama: Bessemer and Leeds
          Indiana: Scottsburg
          Iowa: Corporate Office, Grinnell and Kalona
          Kentucky: Lebanon
          Mexico: Reynosa
          Michigan: Saint Clair (Christian Haas Dr. and Range Rd.)
          Missouri: Columbia North Carolina: Siler City
          Ohio: Bellevue and Lebanon
          South Carolina: Anderson
          Wisconsin: East Troy and Osceola

          As well as our Mexico location: Reynosa

  53. justicebaby says:

    Has anyone ever looked into Reza Kargarzadeh? Is is a wealthy business man in West Des Moines known to be above the law and excellent at grooming women with children. He looks like the photo and fits the description only he is not latin but Persian.

    He has a private jet with manufacturing plants all over the country. He has signifcant family ties to Colorado. Strangely although in different neighborhoods (still very close by) he lives on the same street as Johnny Gosch. I have more information that I would love to share but it would reveal my identity.

    He is no doubt in operation with human trafficking even if he is not part of this abduction. I have more details but I cannot share here or would reveal my identity.

    • Brad says:

      Justice- is there any way you can provide more detail as to how you know these things without revealing your identity? Have you had an encounter with him before?

  54. Georgiamariestrableschofield says:

    He mi brother and I’m going to find who kill u I love u bro always
    I want u to be able to rest in peace
    I miss u so much it hurts to mi soul
    Your sis Georgia

  55. Brittany Marie says:

    I have so many questions. The only reason I came upon this was because u googled unsolved murders in Appanoose County. It brought up this woman and the Deteach man murdered at his home. I don’t know how often this page is updated but there is nothing about the Ty Husted case. And I find it very disturbing is agencies say she’ll never be found, she’s either in a well or buried in Missouri…very odd, a friend of mine said someone had said the same thing about Ty. I find it absurd that Appanoose County law enforcement has so many cop cars sitting in their parking lot but do not have funds to even attempt to find missing people, whuch don’t mind the new jail being built here. I understand with Crystal happened in Wayne County but counties don’t work together nor was the Ty case ever brought to public attention. I feel Appanoose County should shift their focus on important matters other than “drug busts” that never change. Same people in and out of jail. But what do I know….

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      If these departments don’t have the resources, then the Iowa DCI should take it over. They have the resources to work this case.

  56. Johnny Gosch says:

    I have new recovered memeries involving this satanic political cult manipulating this web site to delete my testimony from this web site about 5 to 10 years ago I had put several post on this site that contained most of the results of my investagation at that time. Shortly thereafter
    Mdybe 5 to 10 years ago all my post on this site were caused to be removed by the satanic political cult. I assume Jody Ewing would have a record of this. And be a honest witness. She has not responded to my email. Can somebody find when why how and what evedince was retained to prove this act of the cover-up?

    • Johnny Gosch says:

      My mistake, they were not deleted but are under the Johnny Gosch photos.
      This recovered memory still needs corroborated. It’s a memory of me being subjected to one of programming hypnotism sections , always by force and unable to remember afterwards, where the perpitrators were trying to sirpress my testimony. There was a phone call made to this website and the conversation involved the removal of the post. The person s[oken to was a lady IDK who and they s[oke to me briefly and to the lead programmer who was working for the CIA. He spoke for some time explaining other actions he wou;d take to have the post removed. This memory is most likely not fully emerged and has other memory fragments that will further emerge. I do not try and force them but each time I think of them there’s a chance that they have expanded where others disassociated memory fragments have reconnected to there original memory. I have decided to include this to help the reader have a better understand of how my memories have been e, erhing these past 14 years and how I have always tried to be open about them. My memory of this conversation between this web site and the perpitrrater still needs to be looked into. And should demonstrate the danger that me continuing to be outspoken about this is effecting me and how my creditabilty is damaged each time they make me forget or attempt to alter mine or Noreen’s memories.

    • Brad says:

      Johnny; it was 40 years ago yesterday that you disappeared. You have not been forgotten.

  57. Lewis Cassill says:

    I am glad they keep these cases open. They identified the guy that was found in lake Meade. I bought A small farm near tiffin thirty years ago. After buying it I bought a bulldozer. The guy I bought the farm from said not dig any holes on the place. He told me he buried some farm machinery. Then a a few years later I told him I was going to dig up that junk and haul it to the wilton shredder. He told me something’s are best left buried. . I often wondered what was really buried there. I know he had a barrel of agent orange and figur Ed maybe it was something like that. Then an elderly neighbor told me that whole place was buried with construction waste. I notified the DNR that the place may have toxic wastes buried on it. Never heard anything back. Then due to a chain of unfortunate circumstances including major illness I lost my little farm. Somebody should follow up on this. Lewis Cassill the address of the place is 4018 Ivy Ave SW Oxford Iowa. The burial of this stuff was in the seventies and eighties

  58. Johnny Gosch says:

    The Government Cover-up narritive is primarily promoted by members of “THIS” Satanic political cult. Most members are NOT consciously aware that they are in the cult, like Noreen and most of our related families. The people I refer to as perpitrators are the conscious member who starting at about puberty consciously aware they are in the cult and are further trained to become monarch programmers in a 30 year menter protosai relationship who work in together. They drug and hypnotis us monarchs to control our actions. They alter our memories and place post hyp otic suggestion that we have been further programed using trauma, to create amnesic barriers and binding that I’ve been told changes a [pst hypnotic suggestion I to a personality traits. The government uses monarchs as school shooter and many other thing. They are used by most of the large organization to gather Intelligence because thier memries can be downloaded easily and they can’t keep secrets from thier handlers. This is a widely known secret and is vibable in the midea around us. TV Programming edigecational programming monarch programming that was even tattooed on many of is children which is the rocking X tattoo, which is the image on the top side of a monarch butterfly’s wings.
    The act of awakening is directly tied to this.
    It is the power of the human mind to believe something just because it was told to them. And the human ability to not consciously process our decision before taking action. That makes this technology so dangerous. And therefore valuable to the leadership and power.
    This technology is information based and it is access to this information that can trigger the awakening process to begain in somebody . Even just by reading what I just wrote. This more complex than just this but it is the ba of the hidden knowledge that is house at the Vatican. And many old books. Spells = hypnotism & pottions = drugs the government’s have just taken this to the point where they want a NWO. It is this underling features of the control system that is being changed now. Earth entering the information age triggered the great awakening cause the masses to awaken fast than TPTB can do the maintenance on thier amnesic barrier’s allowing people to awaken from a state of sleep similar to an mild hypnotic trance that further allow control of people subconscious.
    I am no expert but I nut know how it has effected me. My research is in complete and I’m about 80% correct so don’t through it out just because you find a mistake, this is just the nature of Satanic Ritual Abuse. I have tried to be completely honest and why I have chosen to not candy coat my testimony. I further want to express that I have no memories that point to ether one of my moms being perpitrators. And you need to leave my family’s alone, you will just cause some to be hurt or killed for something they know nothing about.

    • Rattus says:

      Adam,
      Both of Johnny’s parents have confirmed that you are NOT their son. Your delusions may seem real to you, but you have to accept they are just delusions. You can’t remember being Johnny Gosch because you are NOT Johnny Gosch. There is plenty of evil in the world, but your stories of CIA mind control, satanic murders, a million people singing Johnny Gosch songs…it’s all in your sick mind. Take your medications and leave Johnny’s family alone.

  59. Dawna Lindsey says:

    Is there any new news regarding Willie Mae Rucker disapears?

  60. MW says:

    They found a female jawbone and other remains in the Iowa River a couple of weeks ago. I wonder if it could possibly be her?

  61. None says:

    Isn’t it funny how everyone who is all aboard the “Faded Out”
    podcast starts to not believe the factual evidence gathered in the Netflix
    Johnny Gosch story, which involved America’s
    Most Wanted and Paul Bonnacci? Or Conspiracy of Silence? Then start viciously attacking Noreen, in particular “Tri State Girl”? Sounds quite personal for them so assume some of their family or locality may have been implicated. Somehow they “all know” he is dead…
    mmmkay.

    • Tri State Girl says:

      I’m not attacking anyone. I just follow facts. I feel bad for Noreen, and the families of the other boys. No one should lose their child this way. I just can’t believe how many people ignored obvious suspects, and then made up the current more well known story. A lot of people who “helped” Noreen ended up being weirdos. Faded Out is the only serious source to cover local suspects. There had been discussions on this site before about local people, and a little bit on Reddit, but nothing solid. There’s been coverage on other podcasts and YouTube after Faded Out, and it’s all the same old stuff again. The Netflix documentary showed a lack of investigation, and has been proven wrong. You have your beliefs though, and I have mine.

      • None says:

        I think you didn’t realize you got played by interviewing and perhaps taking the side of Johnny’s father who is definitelu
        not up to snuff. A lot of midwestern people
        might come off as unassuming and innocent, but doesn’t mean they don’t have some sick secrets. Look at JonBenet’s mother… she took her secret to the grave and how did that end up helping her other child? Would have been better to clear the air when confronted, then to face the afterlife with a guilty conscience hidden away.

        • Tri State Girl says:

          I didn’t interview anyone. Faded Out isn’t my podcast. I’m just a fan. I don’t understand why so many people don’t want to believe it was someone local. Faded Out isn’t perfect, but at least it looked into a realistic timeline.

          • Johnny Gosch says:

            There were 2 possibly 3 locals and more from a few other states that I can identify. I am begining to think about half of the people or AI BOT that frequent this page are here to prevent justice from accuring. If you can protect me from our government so I don’t end up like Edward Showden or worse like Julian Assange. Everybody needs to wake up, this is not the republic that was originally created in the late 1700’s. This new government is trying to legalize what they have already been doing. Crimes against children are unforgivable. Why are so many people refusing to accept the fact that the government did it and are continuing to do the same to other children.
            Look at the PHYCHICAL EVEDINCE that surports my finding. And don’t let these cult members influence you to not look at ALL possibilities.
            https://johnnygosch.wordpress.com/

  62. John says:

    I think there was a married police officer that didn’t want his infidelity found out or fell in love with Jodi . I think he was with her at her apartment when she overslept and while she was getting ready for work pulled that white police van up and snapped her neck or killed her in parking lot as he was putting her in van . Conscience at that time he was building a machine shed on his property. 27 years of covering up his affair.

  63. Anon says:

    In 1974, Frank Sykora had a 10YO boy staying overnight at his house to help him with his paper route the next day. Frank’s brother James S. Sykora molested the child and was arrested the next day. Another potential suspect.

  64. Sarah J Van Bruggen says:

    Did this happen on the Mississippi River?

  65. Rnickel says:

    Jason’s attorneys solved the case on A&E in 2021 where is the updated case information 😩

  66. Mallory Schloss says:

    My aunt Alice is a missing person. Wondering if this skeleton is missing the lateral incisors

  67. Johnny Gosch says:

    My brother Adam and I were born as conjoined twins who were both drafted into the CI*’s monarch program. The phychic research branch of thier phycological (mind control) research MK-U;tra.
    Because of the extensive use of hypnotism used to, manipulate my memories, my narritive needs nongovernmential investagative resources to help with the finel draft.
    Conjoined twin are known to be born with a phychic ability that allows them to know what each other is thinking. This This telepathic connectedness was the target of thier phychic research. The truth will be known.
    https://johnnygosch.wordpress.com

    • Rattus says:

      Definition of delusion: “an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.”

      • Johnny Gosch says:

        That black and white photo of the guy Noreen says partisapated in the abduction is my other dad. The lower part of his ear lobe has been amputated, he’s blowing his cheeks out, there’s a 3.5oz gold Cuban link chain around his neck. The photo was taken by members of the, anti pedo alliance who kednapped him to exact information and evedince from him. The photos delivered to Noreen were his personal collection of political blackmail photos that have links to other child rape photos. The photos and thier agreement to allow me to fully awaken were exchanged for his freedom. They were partially photo shoped by the lead programmer responsible for my programming and then left on Noreen’s porch for my use and protection aftered I was allowed to fully awaken.
        Attacking my creditability and egnoring the evedince is not going to keep the current cover-up narritive in place.
        They have repeated that narritive so many times that it has become a false truth.
        My nongovernment and evedince based investagation is continuing on my site where we can prevent the large satanic political cult who operate in the shadows of our government from manipulating us with there many tactics like Rattus and others are using against me.
        Just because it sounds crazy, doesn’t mean its not true.

    • Phil says:

      You are Sick! How can you actually come on this page under Johnny Gosch and protray and present yourself as something you’re not.
      Please Stop. Johnny’s Family and Friends visit here.

  68. So in the sixties many girls went missing in The same mason city so could it be the same person twenty years later yes. Yes yes

  69. Julia says:

    Why did you never see your mom if you are really Johnny Gosch?

    I am very interested, can you please tell me information about your childhood that the public does not know about, that only your parents would know about?

    Do you see a therapist to talk about what happened to you?

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  72. Kasandra Elizabeth Ortiz says:

    I might be his daughter so if y’all find him please make him contact me 651-463-2190 is the landline

  73. Jay Smith says:

    I have over all these,many different theories, and most are all the same…Ethan owed a drug dealer money for drugs…????cocaine,meth.most likely meth.maybe they were cooking meth out there and other illegal activities, that’s why no one has spoken a word this entire time???they would al be in trouble for accessory to the fact,ormaybe they just didn’t like eathan,or someone accidentally killed him,or he overdosed,or alcohol posioning,and everyone was to afraid of getting in trouble them selfish selves …..

    • Mike D says:

      From what people who know him have said on Facebook over the years he wasn’t that kind of person. People paint a picture of kind of a band geek who was also into drama and theater. People said he attended the University of Iowa and was part of the marching band there, but didn’t graduate. He appears to maybe be at kind of a lost stage of his life not sure what he wanted to do and there were also rumors about his sexuality. I have the feeling this is one of those cases where we will never know the why and the family are under no obligation to say anything.

  74. MikeD says:

    I see her grave says Connie Jo Choate. Was that her legal name when she died or did the family just not want to have Bodensteiner on it? I can understand if they did it, but would be nice to know what her legal name was at the time of her death. Old DM Register archives seem to just call her Connie Bodensteiner. I’m guessing that was her legal name at the time.

  75. Zach R says:

    These cases remind me of a very creepy occurrence. Back around 2000-2003 a guy that worked on my construction crew would get very jittery everytime we drove over this bridge. The creepy part is when he said “there had been a young girl found choked to death down there years ago”. While telling me this he was rocking back and forth on the truck seat rubbing his hands together. If these are still unsolved I think I need to contact DMPD. I’ve long forgotten this guy’s last name, I’m sure work records are still available…

  76. Bruce seifert says:

    Why isnt chuck flint listed?

  77. Gary D Eggers says:

    These dirty Sheriffs Dept Set me Up Dumped Tires in My Noryh Field Prosucted me Huge fire Jail time I. 66 Tears old with Health Problems Had a Stroke inside Jail denied Hospital. Starved Me in Kail yet No one will listen We Called Iowa Civil Rights No Help denied. No Justice. I’m forced to leave my Home. Sherriff Yelling at Me telling me to shut my mouth stop talking to FBI They won’t do anything any how.i hate The State of Iowa CORRUPTION right down through their Courts system Police Judges They came stole our children Waz Terrible. When doctors te me I’m dying I’m going after a few. That did this too me. Left out was Beatened Up by Mitchall County Seriiffs Office Told to get out of Iowa Your not wanted Here. Deputy Jackson Beat me while I was Handcuffed Denied Attorney for Court too. Judge says You don’t need a Attorney. I was in a wheel chair Sick Couldn’t walk. Went from jail when I was released to Austin Medical Center I Life saving surgery I was minutes from death had lost 85 lbs. Too. Yet I had no health Issues.oh Sherrif Denoed me My Heart meds 7 days too.

  78. BOZO THE PIG HATER says:

    WHY IS THIS A COLD CASE?! THERE NEEDS TO BE. BOOTS ON THE GROUND CITIZENS ROUNDING UP ALL THESE DIRTY COPS SO THEY CAN PAY THE PRICE FOR WHAT THEY’VE DONE, F#CKING COWARD ASS SISSY PIGS

  79. Jd says:

    I was celled with this man in federal prison and I hope the family seeks justice for what he and two other was involved in.

  80. Elizabth Raife says:

    I asked Urbandale police in 2016/17 to consider my mother’s death a cold case, with possible autopsy and cremation despite Roman Catholic affiliation. Urbandale is also DSM in zip codes. They looked at me as if I were a public nuisance. I think technology and housing killed her – she had mercury fillings, not Alzheimer’s.

  81. Jerry Chaffee says:

    I am an Iowan by birth but lived elsewhere for many years. We returned to Iowa during the era when the Dennis Chaffee murder occured and because I am a Chaffee, I have been interested in this unsolved case. I encourage Marie and Adam to pursue a solution.

  82. Barbara A Boorman says:

    No Steve wasn’t a veteran.

  83. Vicki mccuddin says:

    It’s still so sad to me that there are people that were her so called friends know who pulled the trigger and took this beautiful life. She was love just plain love and she lived these people that are suppose to be her friends. For God’s sake someone who knows needs to come forward. They need closure the kids need closure. Someone who knows find the strength to come forward. Have the courage to say it’s been to long. Lisa deserves this. We all do. If you truly loved her say something be strong it’s time.

  84. Joseph Luna says:

    All you people think it’s a walk through the park during a house fire. It happens so fast that you don’t realize how fast the fire spreads. My wife didn’t do anything wrong and blames herself for not grabbing the baby first. She thought she had time. It’s pretty sad that people want to lay blame on someone when they don’t even realize how hard it was on us to lose our son. People also want to post how I went to Federal Prison and guess what I paid my dues and have been drug free now for 25 years. Fucking hypocrites need to clean their own porch off before they judge anybody else

  85. J.J. Scott says:

    Has anyone submitted a public records request on this case? Does anyone know if Marie is still with us?

    I see on a few other sites he’s listed as deceased. Have they found something or has me been declared dead?

    It sounds to me like Hathaway feels guilty for encouraging him to get the motorcycle parts back rather than him feeling guilty as if he hurt Kenneth himself. It is absolutely not his fault if this is the case but I know it’s human nature to blame yourself.

  86. Jim says:

    Word on the street was she overdosed, and her body was put into a 55 gallon drum of lye and built into the house of someone out in the Durango area supposedly.

  87. Tom Lee says:

    Who did she hang around with? Who was the person finding her jawbone?

  88. Matt L says:

    Has Kenneth Scholz ever come up as a suspect? He murdered my uncle (who was also 13) in Crete, IL in 1951. He moved to Des Moines to be with his mother, Elsie Scholz, after he got out of jail in the 70s I think, and they are in the Des Moines phone book in 82. Kenneth would have been 49 in 82. How many people living in Des Moines at that time had that kind of backstory? Here are some articles about my uncle and the trial. https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2013/03/01/billy-rodenburg-murder-1171951-crete-il-17-year-old-kenneth-scholz-confesses-to-killing-13-year-old-billy-rodenburg/

    • Jenni says:

      That is a name that I haven’t heard before. Thank you for sharing this story. I’m sorry about your uncle.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      Matt, thanks for sharing that information. It introduces a new name of a possible person of interest into the disappearance of Johnny. However, the body of Billy was found. A big if in relation to Kenneth Scholz, would be if he kidnapped Johnny, where he hidden him or his remains all these years.

      Also, one of the articles refers to Kenneth as a Iowa youth. But, it did not mention where in Iowa he was from. Also, you have him moving to Des Moines, after his release from prison.

      • Matt L says:

        I have Elsie Scholz’s address in an old Des Moines phone book from 1985. 1079 22nd St, Des Moines, IA. He lived 5 to 7 miles from each abduction site. That house is still there. Is there a way to find out if he or his mom owned a Ford Fairmont?

      • Jenni says:

        Kenneth Sholz was born in Crete, IL. He moved to Des Moines to be with his mother after he got out of jail. He died in 2004. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/121330632/kenneth-carl-scholz

        • Tri State Girl says:

          I see they have a photo of when he was caught. He was young then and wearing glasses. Does anyone know what he looked like in the 80’s? Maybe he looked like the sketch of the man in the car in Johnny’s case, or the man Eugene was seen talking to. Maybe someone who grew up with Marc might recognize him from just walking around or something. Maybe he was at Des Moines Register parties with Wilbur Millhouse or Frank Sykora. Maybe he went around the mall where Fred Sayre went after kids. Most of the adults are gone, but maybe a former paper boy from that time would remember.

    • Tri State Girl says:

      There’s a podcast called Faded Out that follows the theory of someone at the Register doing it. Maybe Kenneth was friends with Millhouse. What kind of job did Kenneth have in Des Moines? Did he work for the Register? Did he work at the mall? Did he work at the bookstore?

      Maybe Millhouse took Johnny, and Kenneth took Eugene and Marc. Or any other kind of combination of that scenario. I know the towns are close, but it’s definitely a possibility that different men took each kid. Or maybe Kenneth worked with local pedophiles, Millhouse included. There was a pedophile ring with other pedophiles busted in 1986. If Kenneth was left behind that would explain why there were kidnapping attempts from 1986 to 1989. Then it all stops. Maybe the group fell apart and Kenneth wasn’t as good.

      This post also shows us just how many bad people can be around you at any time. This is why children can’t be out alone.

      • Matt L says:

        If Kenneth did this I bet he did it alone. I don’t think the theories about a ring in Who Took Johnny added up to much.

        • Tri State Girl says:

          I don’t believe the documentary either. The people I listed were covered in Faded Out. Local pedophiles who could have come in contact with Johnny. Millhouse specifically.

          In Faded Out, and on this site, Yellow Bag talks about how Millhouse said Johnny was taken because he couldn’t keep his mouth shut. The Paper really messed up. Letting two pedophiles work with kids.

          Millhouse had already been charged, while working at the paper in the 70’s. Sykora had been in the same home his brother molested kids in during the 70’s as well. Then Sykora was busted in the 80’s as a pedophile himself.

          There was also a pedophile ring in Des Moines that was busted in the 80’s. Other men, that as far as I know, weren’t attached to the Register, but maybe they knew Kenneth. https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26108166/mar-15-1986-reg-man-who-had-been/

          There were also the attempted kidnappings from 1986 until 1989. I don’t know what to make of those because Millhouse, a prime suspect, was already in jail. Maybe Kenneth was having his go at it. A lot of this is lost in time since all of these men are dead now.

    • Johnny Gosch says:

      Nobody has ever asked me what happened. Never. My truth can not overcome the false truth created by repeating the narrative above. It was not a physical kidnapping. It was an inslavement of the mind using trauma based mind control.

      • Tri State Girl says:

        You are not Johnny, and you have a lot of nerve. I really don’t get how some people can be this heartless. His family misses him everyday, and a lot of people know he is dead. Get help.

        • Johnny Gosch says:

          The way TRI State Girl attacks the truth because it doesn’t fit with the cover up narritive shows everybody here that she is working to keep the cover up in place. Using tactics taken out of the government\ CI*’s play book.
          Don’t address the evedince only attack the creditability of the truth speaker. The evedince so overwhelmingly supports my truth that nobody is even allowed to think outside that narritive.
          I’m here after the truth and this conversation involves me.
          I was there. I have the answers to many questions that the people have a right to know. I refuse to candy coat what happened to me. They manipulated my memories because memory control is mind control. But the evedince is physical. 100’s of physical prices of evedince.
          I will answer some questions if three of you are able to maintain an open mind and are willing to learn about the tactics used that made this possible. The truth is so different than the current narritive and that the cover up is so compartialmentialized that few of the individual parts can stand alone but become more understandable as it relates to each other parts. I’m telling you that
          This was done by the people who also operated the MK ultra programs and other government mind control programs.

          • Brad Grindle says:

            Johnny; if this is you, please know there are others out there that know your pain. I was a victim of a sexual predator when I was very young. I did not go through what you did, but I can understand the pain it leaves you with. I wish I could help you.

          • Intrigued says:

            Prove it

            • Intrigued says:

              Sorry not you

            • Johnny Gosch says:

              I have the evedince. I want everybody to help Protect me from our government who has been manipulating me since birth. I realize how crazy this sounds but I refuse to candy coat what happened which would only hurt my creditability more. To also understand that the CIA never does anything without taking a detour through the land of deniability or crazy land. That’s just how they do thing. I know because they trained my subconscious using trauma based mind control that allowed them to control my subconscious mind which had overwhelmingly influence of my conscious mind. Basically they compartialmentialized my mind into different personalities and personality parts who were completely unaware of each other. Although my individual programming dramatically Changed after Anton killed my formerly conjoined twin brother. Which caused the fake kednapping so I could be moved to Adam’s family. when I was I had already spent about half my life, 6 years living as Adam who was one of my well established personalities. Think of it like there were two Adam’s and two Johnmys but never activated at the same time who switched places with each other every 6 months in order to keep us as identical as possible. Both mom’s wrteneber aware of the experiment but victems of memory manipulation as I was. Memory control is mind control. This was done as part of thier mind control research that was also researching the connectedness that allowes conjoined twin to know what thier siblings are thinking, a telepathic ability used in prayer but much stronger which also gave Adam and I a strong connection to the sprit world which is the source of the power that is used by the elites to dominate the masses. The reason for the cover up of the research projects is it classified as hidden knowledge. The same knowledge that has been systematically hidden from the masses for thousands of years that is hidden the Vatican. This powers makes it possible for the, elites to dominate the masses. Allowing them amunity from prosecution so many became addicted to sex with children creating the elite pedo problem. I am God’s Messenger and I want everybody to know about this knowledge to eliminate the unfare advantage and the abuse of the children.

              • Intrigued says:

                What is hard to wrap my brain around is ..If you have an identical twin Adam ..no one ever saw him in all those years …? Where is He now ? Where is this other family?

                • Johnny Gosch says:

                  I have one recovered memory of being on the kednappers bed where they say “Adam died why don’t we ,ale him Adam ” and when the who done it question came up the answer was always Anton.

          • Intrigued says:

            If you are really who you say you are prove it

      • Julia says:

        Why did you never see your mom if you are really Johnny Gosch?

        I am very interested, can you please tell me information about your childhood that the public does not know about, that only your parents would know about?

      • Julia says:

        What happened to you? I would love to hear what you have to say! I have a very open mind!

        • Johnny Gosch says:

          Contact me on my website where we can arrange to speak by phone

          https://johnnygosch.wordpress.com

          • Julia says:

            My apologies, I do not feel comfortable sharing my phone-number with you because I am 13 years old. I cannot help you. I am sorry about this.

            • Julia says:

              This was just supposed to be for an extra credit assignment for summer school because I got a bad grade in Social Studies last year. I was only going to put information from you that I got on this forum.

              • Tri State Girl says:

                There’s a podcast called Faded Out that covers this case. I think their more realistic approach would help you with your project. It’s on various platforms. https://www.iheart.com/podcast/263-faded-out-29268528/

                Episode 13 of season 1 is when it starts to get really good. Season 1 covers Johnny’s case. Season 2 is about an unrelated case in Connecticut.

                Also, I’m glad you didn’t give out your personal information to that weirdo. This guy pretending to be Johnny is clearly very disturbed.

              • George K says:

                If you listen to Faded Out as Tri State Girl recommends, I would be very cautious. The podcast has a very flagrant agenda to discredit Noreen Gosch and Paul Bonacci no matter what the evidence actually says. It uncritically accepted anti-Noreen and anti-Bonacci statements from the likes of Chris Birge, Johnny’s father, and Sam Soda, even though all three witnesses’ statements had seriously credibility issues. Chris’s witness statements of that morning were contradicted by all other witnesses; I’ve written about it before here: https://www.reddit.com/r/JohnnyGosch/comments/e948gx/chris_birge_and_the_sighting_of_a_van/ Johnny’s dad Leonard John Gosch repeatedly contradicted his own prior statements along with other verifiable evidence; I’ve written about that before here: http://cavdef.org/w/index.php?title=Johnny_Gosch_abduction#ljgliesSam Soda was a prime suspect of the Gosches who lied on the podcast about many things, including a claim that the Gosches hired him when in fact he tried soliciting them. He also tried to dissuade the podcast host from believing that Johnny’s abduction was premeditated and tried to convince her that Eugene Martin (whose abduction Sam knew about before it happened, according to Noreen) was unconnected to Johnny’s. Gee, I sure wonder why this prime suspect would do that.

                Faded Out is so egregious that even when they receive evidence contradicting their star witnesses, they either ignore the evidence or somehow claim that the evidence actually proves their witnesses are truthful. At one point, Sam claimed that while he was interviewing Des Moines Register pedophile Frank Sykora, another journalist named Mary Bock was in the room with him the whole time. He used this to guard against claims that he had in any way coerced Sykora during the interview as there would have been an independent witness. Faded Out interviewed Mary Bock, who stated that she may have been in the adjacent room (i.e. not the same room as Sam) but she was actually pretty sure she wasn’t with Sam at all that night and only got his tape of the interview the next day. Somehow, even though Bock entirely contradicted Sam’s account, Faded Out presented it as if she had confirmed it.

                There probably isn’t anyone out there with a truly objective view of the Johnny Gosch case. What you should do is read the arguments for and against various theories, then dive into the evidence to see how closely the different theories match it. I have my own website with the page http://cavdef.org/w/index.php?title=Johnny_Gosch_abduction which is a summary of the case that has extensive footnotes to sources that can be checked. Whether someone agrees or disagrees with my presentation of the case facts, they all follow from specific pieces of evidence that you can verify.

                • Jason Kramer says:

                  Your information is interesting. I have one question. If Johnny went alone to deliver newspapers, why didn’t at least one of his parents hear him pull the wagon out of the garage and/or hear the dog bark? The garage is right below the master bedroom. Both parents got up routinely at dawn for work and family responsibilities. Yet, supposedly, both parnets didn’t wake up until more than an hour after Johnny allegedly left the house.

      • Julia says:

        I think if you are really Johnny, you should see your mom. She will be open to hearing you. She loves you very much.

        • Rattus says:

          This is not Johnny Gosch. Everyone fake Johnny has taken his story to (including a friend of mine) has come to the conclusion he is a sick young man with serious mental issues. He looks absolutely nothing like the real Johnny Gosch.

    • Brad Grindle says:

      Hey, does anybody know if ‘YELLOBAG’ is still around?

      • Tri State Girl says:

        He is still alive, but I don’t know if he still goes on this site. If he wanted to add something I think he would. I don’t know if there is anything else to add though.

  89. Monica Speaks says:

    Happy birthday dad

  90. anonymous says:

    this one really gets to me

  91. Farrah Rogers says:

    I am visiting Shenandoah at the moment and i’m trying to figure something out about the Tall Corn Inn, we found a photograph of an overview of the Hotel from what appears to be the 1960s. The photograph shows a woman being dragged by a man, she’s wrapped in a bedsheet or something else but she is clearly alive in the image. If anyone knows anything, please let me know.

  92. Samantha says:

    If no one knows where this guy is, where did they get this photo? This had to be kind of recent, he went missing in 2005 and that is not what he looked liie in 2005 if his actual birthday was 1932.

  93. Christiaan Barrera says:

    I’m a former investigator and have some tips. Can someone contact me, I have an idea.

  94. Bryguy says:

    Is anyone aware of why Michael Klutner has been cleared for these murders? The timing of things couldn’t be more suspicious. Im concerned the white van is a red hearing.

    • MikeD says:

      I remember reading that they had a dedicated team to heavily investigate Michael Klunder in relation to this case. They were able to confirm a bunch of things that show he wasn’t in the Evansdale area at the time. He wasn’t even familiar with the area, and where the girls were found at Seven Bridges Wildlife Area is the kind of place where only locals who grew up in the area go to. Michael Klunder did his crimes in places he lived and worked. My thought is that it was a local man who one of the girls knew. Probably a family friend who grew up in the area and had a hunting or fishing license at one point.

      • Megan says:

        From my understanding, Michael Klunders first crimes did in fact happen in the Waverly area. Which would mean he was somewhat familiar with the area. And the crimes he committed there and in Dayton seem to be somewhat similar. I also often wonder how they were able to rule him out.

  95. Kim says:

    All this week KCRG is airing stories about Elizabeth and Lyric’s abductions and murders.
    https://www.kcrg.com/video/2022/07/10/evansdale-cousins-went-missing-years-ago-this-week/
    Fingers crossed that their case gets solved soon!

  96. anon says:

    A commenter has said that the molesting uncle Roy Beach had an adopted son named Paul. Although the Beach family was cleared by DNA, was Paul cleared?

  97. John says:

    I’m sure this has been brought up over the years, but has Brown’s Woods or Racoon River woods ever been checked thoroughly? Seems like a good place to dump a body. Browns woods is basically a middle point with easy access from where Eugene went missing, with conjunction to where Johnny went missing in WDM. Browns especially. It couldn’t be more in the middle of the two areas the kids went missing. Did any of the suspects frequent those areas for any reason?

  98. Duane Kruse says:

    Please don’t forget that on 4 Feb 1984 Tim Earney also from Albia was murdered in his home. The case is still unsolved.

  99. Eddie says:

    “Dachshunds were bred to be hunting dogs, and like all hunting dogs, they tend to bark. Their bark can be loud, especially considering their small size. Many Dachshunds are sensitive to changes in their environments, which increases the likelihood of excessive barking.”

    So, the first mute daschund in history miraculously finds its way back to the Gosch household without waking up the neighbors with an incessant bark. This breed is known for barking, and barking loudly. Yet, the daschund Johnny supposedly took on his route the morning of September 5, 1982, did not make a sound.

    Must have been heavily sedated or the entire story is BS.

    This case is all about Gretchen, the daschund, that never barked on its way home to sit outside for more than an hour at the Gosch home without barking.

    And there is a Santa Claus.

  100. Tara says:

    What about Jasons wife? My theory is they planned it and it was all about money. She killed mom, staged it, crossed arms and legs and left. Then Jason shows up to call it in 2 hours later with an alibi.

    • Tara says:

      In addition that is why Shelly was so opposed to Jason taking the plea deal, because she was worried he would end up breaking his silence about who really pulled the trigger. The affair didn’t matter at that point.

  101. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice for this man!

  102. Chris workman says:

    Freddy it’s your brother Chris and u are still missing it’s been obver 9 years just wanted to let you know I’m a dad I have three kids and three step kids all girls hopefully u will be able to meet them someday I really miss u and I am hurting all the time because I miss u so much and love u so much I can’t wait to find u brother please contact me 6415755609 please call me Freddy I miss u and need u around u are my brother and my closest friend there will always be a hole in my heart a spot only u can fill so please call I really need u it is killing me inside not knowing where or what happened to u please come home I love u always and forever ur brother Chris

    • Jody Ewing says:

      Chris, thanks so much for sharing this on your brother’s page, and I’m so sorry you and your family are still without answers after 9 long years. I can’t begin to imagine not knowing what happened to one of my siblings. It’s true that somebody out there always knows something, and I hope that person will one day soon slip up or follow his or her conscience and come forward with details that will provide some type of resolution. All my very best to you and your family. Jody @ ICC

  103. Russ Heiser says:

    Mark Millihan did Interesting PODCAST “UNFOUNFD” Harry and Car, I.ll Check bsck or “routte” to CONTACT remain “Jim for NOW.

  104. Russ Heiser says:

    Jim(per say)

    July 1? Turkey Day obvious passed as MANYbhave since 1984
    Davis Brother or (s) you had mentioned Richard would be 80s in PRISON if Still ALIVE. Did you get Chance to Speak with or ANYTHING to ADD?

  105. Night Sonny Jim says:

    My wife and I have seen literally thousands of true crime docs and this one ranks up there in the top 3 of weakest cases ever! The other 2 were Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey. One girl has the memory, the other girl does not remember it – they cancel each other out. Was it a planted memory by a mother with a vendetta? A dream? And I’ve never heard of someone committing a perfect murder with the exception that they went home and started confessing out loud to the victim. Makes no sense. The drug addict’s story makes no sense. Why would a murderer take the bloody clothes out of the bag in plain site of others and then burn them? Wouldn’t she just throw the paper bag with the clothes still in it into the fire and burn everything at once? And why didn’t he say this 25 years earlier when questioned? He can’t be trusted. Why weren’t the hairs tested? And the judge should have allowed this to be a hung jury. It’s obvious there was no evidence. This was a guilty until proven innocent case. I don’t like to speak ill of the dead, but it sounds like this guy’s suspect list could have been longer than the Nile. This is one of those cases that leaves you thinking if she could be convicted of murder with no evidence, then anybody could.

    • Mike Z says:

      The DATELINE episode should bring about another look at this case. Why are her appeals being denied? Unfortunately Cahill had a weak lawyer and that should be a consideration for a re-trial. The judge should be recalled. I intend to keep following this case.

  106. Mike Z says:

    I just saw Dateline on 6/18/2022 and was stunned at the conviction. When Cahill said at her arrest “you don’t know how wrong you are” something rang true to me. I looked at the facts and there was no case for a conviction. A questionable 25-year-old memory from a 9 year old girl and a drug addict saying he saw the defendant burning bloody clothes – how are these considered evidence? And neither of those testimonies were offered during the 1992 investigation. Worst of all is the second judge not accepting a hung jury for the second time, and instructing the jury to come back the next day with a different verdict. I am blown away how this guilty verdict was railroaded by the judge, the detectives and the Weineke family’s desire for a conviction. It’s possible Cahill is guilty, but this trial certainly didn’t prove that.

    • Jody Ewing says:

      I couldn’t agree more. I also watched the Dateline episode and read everything I could on the alleged “evidence.” I normally don’t question law enforcement’s decision to indict, but this case left me with a “you’ve got to be kidding me sick feeling deep in my gut.

      There are cases on this site that contain — in my opinion — more than ample evidence to charge a suspect and ensure a conviction, and yet years go by with no arrests. If someone wrote up this story as a novel, any agent would find it ludicrous and tell them not to quit the day job. Mike Z. is correct in that the possibility exists that Cahill is guilty, but I saw no credible evidence whatsoever to support even an indictment, let alone a guilty verdict at trial.

      If anything, the Dateline episode illuminated the nonsensical rationale for Cahill’s arrest.

  107. Diane McIntyre says:

    Can you say…”Salem witch trial?” Watch out Justice. And the softball bat, how many ounces was it – because to swing a bat and make perfect contact to cause unconsciousness you need skill and strength- try it out on a tree- frickin impossible unless you’re built like a weightlifter and play for the MLB- Any male suspects or just a mother of 2 kids that has the time to kill during a weekday? Oh no- somebody of this 8 billion person world, who might have a repressed memory slightly askew, and you’re going to jail for 50 years!!

  108. Pat says:

    DM Register 04/30/1962: “police alerted hospitals and taxi cabs, officers combed dozens of blocks”.
    The initial description was somewhat misleading.
    From 14th Place the murderer had a straight line (due) north trajectory to reach neighborhoods with relatives and friends.
    About 1.5 miles to traverse.
    There was no freeway to deal with.
    His biggest exposure would be crossing Keosauqua.
    If he stuck to alley ways, his exposure was minimal.
    Assuming a pace of 12 minutes/mile, that is 18 minutes travel time.
    He was probably indoors before Clark and I returned to Clark’s apartment.

  109. Pat says:

    What I misunderstood, as many people do, is that trailing is highly problematic.
    According to trailing expert, Jeff Schettler: “… most trailing-dog deployments rarely find what they are looking for.” [K9 Trailing The Straighest Path (p. 62). Kindle Edition.]

    What likely happened on 04/29/1962 was:

    The bloodhound(s) got started with the right scent article.
    Contamination of the scent article occurred before exposure to bloodhound(s).
    The bloodhound(s) did NOT get started with the right scent.
    The handler was handicapped by arriving at the scene after other investigators. He never got control of the situation.
    The murderer-rapist’s scent was not the freshest or strongest on the scene, and the bloodhound(s) didn’t “select” it.
    Inner city environment contributes to odor confusion.

    Trailing failure did not detect that the murderer-rapist fled the crime scene on-foot.
    After he jumped from the window of the house at 1526 Woodland, he ran south to the alley, east to 15th Street, north to Woodland, east to 14th Place, north on 14th Place.

  110. Stay Strong! says:

    Interesting article highlighting the unfortunate occurrences of tragedies impacting Native American Iowans including this case…

    ‘Where is she?’ Iowa Indigenous communities grapple with missing and murder cold cases https://www.thegazette.com/news/where-is-she-iowa-indigenous-communities-grapple-with-missing-and-murder-cold-cases/
    (Via The Gazette)

  111. Stay Strong! says:

    Interesting article highlighting the unfortunate occurrences of tragedies impacting Native American Iowans including this case…

    ‘Where is she?’ Iowa Indigenous communities grapple with missing and murder cold cases https://www.thegazette.com/news/where-is-she-iowa-indigenous-communities-grapple-with-missing-and-murder-cold-cases/
    (Via The Gazette)

  112. Jim F says:

    At one point this entry mentioned a fare Mr. Massouris was to have picked up at a rough old honky tonk bar that was under the viaduct. I believe a waitress was wating for it and you alluded to the fact she had something to do with it. Now all that is deleted. I wish I could remember the name of that bar because my mother told me how rough it was. I think it was called Ranchero or something similar.

  113. Duane Kruse says:

    Tim is my cousin. In 2019, I sent letters to the newspapers in Ottumwa and Albia and have not gotten any responses. Please help by writting more letters.

  114. cassandra l Johnson says:

    I worked with her at Wendy’s. When I seen this I had no idea she was murdered like this. Sad asf. She was nice and didn’t deserve this

  115. Anonymous says:

    Jeff Smith did this. Run the DNA

  116. Larry Teig says:

    I would like to hear from any of you and give you my thoughts. Janet was my aunt. I had spoken with Frank’s sister, Mary a few years back. She died in 2007 or so. She had lived in Des Moines and had spoken the truth to the 2 children. Frank married a woman named jean who told the two kids a lie that Janet had committed suicide. Glad she had kept in touch with P.J. and Chris.

  117. Larry Teig says:

    My name is Larry Teig. Janet was my aunt. My mom was Marjorie and we were stunned when Janet died. As time passed, we all (cousins) have concluded that Frank, her husband had her murdered. This was confirmed by Franks sister, Mary La Fratte later years. She was a wonderful mother to her two children P.J. and Chris. I believe they both live in Des Moines. Someday, all will be revealed.

  118. Kevin Jauron says:

    I still love you and miss you everyday Mom!!!!

  119. Helen Burk Clark says:

    Janet was my aunt, her husband Frank was my mom’s brother. The day Janet died, she had dropped off her children at Grandma’s just up the road. She told grandma that Frank needed her to help him in the field. Later that day she was found drowned in the pond. Interesting that the next day, we were all told by Frank that it was a suicide when in fact that was never the case!!!! Jean the woman he married 6 months later also told Frank’s children that Janet died by suicide. There were facts at the scene that without a doubt ruled out suicide.

    • Larry Teig says:

      Hello Helen, My name is Larry Teig. Janet was my aunt. My mother was her older sister, Marjorie from Jewell, Iowa. I had kept in touch with Frank’s sister Mary who lived in Des Moines. She too believed Frank was responsible. Mary had kept in touch with the two Children, P.J. and Chris. She told them the truth. I have been trying to contact P.J. Tony’s son told me he found an address for him in Des Moines. He wanted to contact him as his cousin and although I never got a hold of P.J. I would love to show reconnect with him as his cousin. I understand Chris is married and lives in Des Moines as well. You can contact me at larrylarew1@hotmail.com

  120. Adrian says:

    Just came across this case. I was rightfully suspicious as to why such a paucity of pictures of this rapist and murderer. Another Killer Koon. Just how many even live in Iowa??

  121. Gary C Sobie says:

    If your looking Mark Edward Handlon. You should stake out his exwifes residence at 4903 28th Avenue, Moline, IL. Because if he’s not there. She will definitely know how to get a hold of him. And definitely knows where he’s at for sure. Because she is constantly calling him. She is probably hiding him at her house. Or at one of her relatives houses that live around her house. That’s probably for sure where you will find him. Don’t stop looking for him at all. And when you find him. You need to arrest him immediately along with his exwife. Marilee Handlon at 4903 28th Ave, Moline, IL.

  122. Richard Clements says:

    How does one go about getting in touch with Lt. Frank Stearns, or Lt. Ron Vande Weerde, or a Bill Basler?

  123. Christina says:

    Hey jade! I miss you and think about you often. I don’t know where you are but we used to be best friends in school. I have picture’s of us. Your family have been in my heart and prayers. I hope they continue this case.

  124. Sandra says:

    Cesus show norma swope born 1925 and died at 15. No records found if her death why?

    • doofy says:

      record keeping in the 1920’s probably wasnt done thoroughly, been a hundred years so might of been lost somehow

  125. Mary I would like to know where you get your information from ?this was my grandpa And I don’t know who you are so I will see you in around our family I don’t see how this helps find my grandpa!

  126. I’m just curious while everybody’s saying all this stuff about the dead and it doesn’t even pertain to Anything about their disappearance Thought this was supposed to help find them not to bash upon the dead and missing

  127. William Holder says:

    The staging of the scene to resemble a “robbery” where nothing was missing save the murder weapon and that the body was also staged strongly suggests to me the killer was a family member, either the husband or one of the two sons. The killer didn’t bring a weapon but knew there was a gun safe in the basement and retrieved the murder weapon from there. It seems clear Jason was not the killer since video places him far away at the time of the murder. Comment from family member above indicates husband was also far away at the time of the murder. That leaves Billy Dean Carter. Where was he that morning – why was he never a suspect? Can any other family members be implicated or have motive? And Jason’s wife, she seems 100% convinced from the beginning that Jason wasn’t involved – not the slightest doubt. Is there a reason she is so sure? It’s baffling to me that this remains a cold case and that not a shred of physical evidence was ever found.

    • doofy says:

      im sure the police have thought about this as many others have also. maybe there isnt quite enough evidence to move forward……yet

    • William Holder says:

      I just watched the A&E Accused Guilty or Innocent series episode about this case. Presented from the defendents point of view. It elaborates on a very generous plea deal offered by the state and statements by others implicating the Followill brothers. At this point I am convinced that not only is Jason not culpable it is likely neither are any family members. It is upsetting that his life has been greatly impacted and that he is being held responsible with no further appeal possible for a 10.2M civil judgement against him.

      • Jay says:

        Billy was at work. I worked with him, and remember the day he found out about his Mom being killed. He was devastated. Hi alibi was checked a million times, and verified by several people who interacted with him at work the days leading up to the crime, and the day of.

      • Paula Jones says:

        I am in agreement with William Hilder, Jason is innocent. The last person to see Shirley alive and m concern here is why would he do everything to blame his son. I am not blaming anyone because to jump to conclusions is exact what has damaged so many lives.
        Without doubt I do believe that the Police made three crucial mistakes
        1. They told the Billy they had someone they were looking at and would be laying charges within weeks. Of course the famiily were going to get frustrated. How Jason got a fair trial is testament to the wonderful jury.
        2. The Police did not follow the evidence. They made an assumption and without doubt attempted to make the evidence fit their conclusion.
        3. There were a number of clues that the Police didn’t follow to their conclusions. They were so harassed by Jason’s and I think the Civil Judgement left them looking inadequate So they jumped on that banned wagon, a case that leaves a loving parent wondering why he would deliberately push to blame his own son.
        Personally as a Criminologist I would love to see all the evidence as heart breaks for Jason and his family, he has been found innocent by a court of Law, yet his own self righteous family have found his guilty….why, because he had an affair. Something that had nothing to do with his parents. There is far more to this story and all parties, especially Shirley deserve someone to investigate this from an open mind.

  128. alyssa thiessen says:

    ok so how hard would it be to solve the case bc my dad knew her in high school and i would like to bring her family to peace about what happened to there child

  129. Sarah says:

    Newspapers.com has a story about him from 2000, in the Des Moines Register.

  130. Robert Lucht says:

    They had a little museum at knotts berry farm when I was a kid in the 1970s they had the axe from this crime at there museum it was shut down years ago wonder what happend to the axe!

  131. Murder Mystery Readers Comments says:

    Maureen Farley did not know that she moved to Cedar Rapids and moved next door to a murder who was trying to hide his murder by killing more people, or hiring a person to kill possibly the only person who saw him commit the murder. Maureen Farley moved right in next door to the possibly murderer of Paula Oberbroeckling. Maureen Farley’s next door neighbor in Cedar Rapids was Doctor Thomas Sturgeon (a chiropractor). Paula Oberbroeckling was murdered at a prostitute’s house. The pimp at that prostitute’s house was Ernest Jordan . Doctor Thomas Sturgeon bought the gun and paid Perry Harris to murder Ernest Jordan, the pimp who most likely saw Doctor Thomas Sturgeon murder Paula Oberbroeckling when he was trying to rape Paula Oberbroeckling.

  132. Pat says:

    Today marks 60 years since the murder-rape of Ramona Jean Cox. This case has been of lasting interest to me because I was walking within 150 feet of 1526 Woodland, WHILE THE CRIME WAS IN-PROGRESS.

    My friend and I went to Foodland (630 14th Place) to buy cigarettes. The clerk had to face east as he pulled the cigarettes from the shelf, and that is when he mentioned a black guy running shirtless past the store window. I couldn’t see from inside the store, so I stepped out of the store door, and looked north on 14th Place. He had a white shirt gripped in his left hand. It enabled me to see him in the dark, on an overcast night (no moonlight). He glanced back, and saw me, but kept slow trotting north.

    When the first squad car arrived, my friend and I walked back to the corner of 15th and Woodland. After the police informed the three people in the yard at 1530, that they found the dead body of their neighbor at 1526, the women started yelling and crying. That would be Sharen C and Jackie P. Charles R, the boyfriend of Sharen C, tried to console her, but she wouldn’t be consoled. From 150 feet away, my friend and I, interpreted it as a boyfriend-girlfriend spat that had gotten out of hand. When the vehicle with the bloodhounds arrived, our theory didn’t seem to fit. Why were the bloodhounds on the scene?

    Charles, Sharen, and Jackie identified the man who jumped from the window as white. Later, the FBI analysis of hair fibers, indicated a black-white mix. The guy I saw slow trotting on 14th Place was black. He was in the neighborhood, at the right time, and had about the same stature (5’9”, 160 lbs) as reported in the newspaper, so why don’t I think he was the murderer? The bloodhounds arrived on the scene in less than an hour. If the guy I saw was the murderer, the bloodhounds would have been on that trail in a heartbeat. Instead, the newspaper indicated the bloodhounds only tracked to the back alley. This indicates to me that the murderer fled the scene in a vehicle parked behind 1526 Woodland.

    • Cody says:

      Reading your previous entries regarding this case, you indicated that you didn’t see anything. Now you are saying you did indeed see “a black man jogging”? Please explain.

      • Pat says:

        You are probably referring to when the officer asked us “boys” if we had seen anyone in the neighborhood, and I said no.
        Keep in mind, my friend Clark and I, didn’t know until the next morning what had happened, and how serious the situation was. That night, we thought it looked like a boyfriend-girlfriend spat that had gotten out of hand.
        We actually hadn’t seen anyone in the neighborhood on our walk to Foodland, at 630 14th Place. The streets were desolate. We were the only ones out and about. Not unusual considering people were getting ready for the start of the work week, and were headed to bed or already in bed.
        The only activity we saw was the guys screech off the stop sign at the south segment of 15th at Woodland. We were positioned right in front of them, if they had came up over the curb onto the sidewalk, they would have hit us. But, the driver cut hard left and sped west on Woodland. I figured out the next day after reading the paper, that this was Charles Russell, and his friend who was driving him back to 1530 Woodland.
        We had run out of cigarettes, and that was why we went to Foodland. We were underage, but Clark was 6’0″ and about 200 lbs. I was 5’10” and 98 lbs. He looked old enough if the clerk didn’t check id.
        We spent a few minutes looking around getting some candy, then when Clark asked for the cigarettes, I lingered in the store doorway, getting ready to run if the clerk questioned our age. I just realized last night, in a flashback, that I actually saw that jogger come up the south segment of 15th, headed for Woodland. I went back into the store, and chatted with Clark and the Clerk. When the clerk faced east to grab the cigarettes, he said he saw a black guy, shirtless, jog by the window. I stepped back out of the store doorway, and could see him jogging north on 14th Place. He had a light colored shirt in his left hand, wadded up. Since it was an overcast night (no moon, no stars), I probably wouldn’t have seen him without that light shirt.
        I believe he had the shirt on when I first saw him, and must have taken it off when I went back into the store.
        Clark was in the store the whole time, and wouldn’t have seen the guy. I never mentioned anything about the jogger to him. The clerk only got a poor glimpse as he jogged by. I say poor glimpse, because the store window had cardboard signs and a neon sign that would have prevented him from getting a good look. The best view I had was when he was jogging north on the south segment of 15th toward Woodland. The view I had of him as he jogged north on 14th Place was inferior, because there was no close by streetlight, his back was to me, although I saw him glance back over his shoulder.
        I’ve been trying to refine that memory image, but it is from 60 years ago.

  133. Miss congeniality says:

    Wasant Mike Flowers a suspect in the hill murder didn’t they find him wearing the Mr hills ring?

  134. John doe says:

    Jose Canas Is the true killer of Amber Hayes!!!

  135. Jim says:

    I always pull up google maps when reviewing these cases. I don’t know why but it tends to give be a better perspective of what happened and how.
    The girls’ bikes were found on the trail in the South East corner of the park. This is the most obscure area in the park and is next to I-350. It is obvious why everyone jumped to the conclusion it might have been a trucker.
    What I want to know it the address the grandmother lived at when this occured. I would like to try and track the path they took TO the park as I feel someone watched them and followed them in there, waiting til they got to this remoter area.

    • MikeD says:

      People jumped on to the idea that it might have been a trucker, but there is a large fence between the park and the interstate. I don’t want to give the exact address, but the grandma’s house was on Brovan Blvd Evansdale, Iowa. It’s a small street and if you look at street view from 2012 you can’t miss it. The park where the girls were found is very remote and only the kind of place locals who grew up in the area ever visit. Not the kind of place and random trucker would know about or be able to drive their truck easily into.

  136. Angelina says:

    I pray my sister gets the justice she so desperately deserves. I hope the person or persons that were involved in taking her from us pay the ultimate price. There is a special place in hell for people like that! I miss her so much. Sh was an amazing person with the most peaceful mind anyone could possess. She helped anyone when they needed it and never asked for anything in return. Such a beautiful soul and I know she’s watching over me everyday.

    • Elizabeth says:

      Kim was the only person who showed me kindness when i was being bullied at LC and we became school buddies. I never forgot that.

  137. Theresa says:

    I am wondering how much it would cost to get the DNA testing done to close these cases.

    • doofy says:

      probably quite pricey so you know the state of iowa wont do it unless it is absolutely necessary. youre right though leaning towards DNA because i believe most of these cases could be closed if they would approach it that way

  138. Kim Giannetti says:

    I didn’t read anything about “Goose” or Therese Miller in this particular artical, where can I learn more about Ron Novak’s case? Please send me any link(s) with more details @ WiseGirl_Kim@hotmail.com. Please & Thank you ahead of time.

  139. Kim says:

    Travis Jamieson, the Monticello man who was arrested and acquitted at trial in Cathy-Jo’s murder, has recently passed away. I’m not finding a case page other than this one for Cathy-Jo on the ICC site (I may not be looking in the right spot), but I wanted to share that information. Here is a link to an older story about the case:
    https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Sex+clue+pointed+to+the+PARTY+ANIMAL%3B+Pretty+Cathy+Jo%27s+vicious…-a060756653

  140. Angel Devers says:

    My grandparents lived next-door to the Brûlé for years. I basically grew up with them. I never realized that it was not suicide until a few years ago. I hope and pray that whoever is responsible is caught and prosecuted.

  141. Kim says:

    Evidently the authorities charged Patrie with killing Kenneth Gallmeyer back in January of 2022. Did not see this on the news back then, but here’s a short piece about it from KCRG: https://www.kcrg.com/2022/04/15/iowa-man-pleads-not-guilty-2012-home-invasion-killing/

  142. Hannah says:

    Did anyone ever check with the friends family to confirm that they weren’t home?

  143. Amanda Harlan says:

    So the Murder for Lee Rotatori was solved just this February. Maybe Thomas Freeman also killed Linda?

  144. Andrew says:

    The guy looks like Harry Edward Greenwell who was just identified as the I-65 Killer/Days Inn Killer in Indiana he died in Iowa in 2013

    • Jody Ewing says:

      Andrew, yes, there’s definitely a very close resemblance to the third sketch from the Chickasaw County Sheriff sketch. I’ll be watching closing to see if answers are forthcoming in Rhonda’s case.

    • Cody says:

      But the I-65 killer had a specific M.O. that doesn’t appear to match this case, right?

  145. Kelly Severado says:

    Lisa was one of my best friends Jerri was my cousin. I lost a lot of people that year including my grandmother. We were teenagers we were kinda wild. Evidently she had a whole life I knew nothing of. The most we did when I was with her was drink cheap wine in a graveyard lol She was a good person and an even better friend! Definitely was murdered! Rest in heaven all of you and I think of you often I hope one day this all gets solved but unfortunately I doubt it 😭🙏🏼

  146. Katie Hopkins says:

    Her house was actually 705 3rd Ave, not 703. Census document from 1925 has house number listed as 705. So it is the red house right next to 703 3rd Ave.

  147. Steph says:

    Would like to talk about Bobby Crawford murder.

  148. Nanette Verrips says:

    Why would the father wait 3 days to report his daughter missing??
    She was not a Hooker, she wasn’t old enough to be anything but a child!! I wish someone would solve this case, but I bet the killers are dead! Still would be nice to understand, after all I wasn’t feeling to safe myself after lisa died! We were In school together. She was so shy, never saw her talk to anyone!!

  149. Pam says:

    Type of truck displayed in 1971?

  150. Christopher Rogers says:

    Hi you can contact me at 3152758084 and thank you

  151. Christine says:

    There is a tictok about Lindsay Buziak from British Columbia Canda with many similarities, down to thier hairstyle and blonde streaks and similar facial features, being described as vibrant, successful and cheerful, age, jobs, etc. There was a cell phone purchased and used only to call Lindsay once, registered to a man’s name, Paulo Rodriguez. But a blonde woman was with a man and Lindsay was found stabbed multiple times in the master bedroom of the home she was showing them, she also had no defensive wounds. I can’t help but wonder if they are connected. They have so many similarities in personality and physically that it seems like a serial killer. Just wanted to put this out there for investigators to check if there’s a connection. The tictok mentions Ashley Oakland’s case. 😟 my condolences to both families.

    • Cody says:

      They aren’t at all connected. Lindsay’s murder (most probable theory) had a personal motive involved which wouldn’t at all include Ms.Okland.

    • Jody Ewing says:

      Abby, that story was updated May 4, 2016 (two days after Jade Colvin went missing). She went missing again June 10, 2016, as reported by the Iowa Missing Person Information Clearinghouse and NamUs.

      • Patrick Kerrigan says:

        Jody, that was nice of her to runaway again. Maybe the authorities should have handed her a statement of the costs of searching for her. Plus, a booklet listing all the runaways who were murdered. Plus the unidentified bodies around the country.

        But, then she has more important stuff to do. But not at home.

  152. Summer says:

    Happy 20th my love! I hope so much you had a good one. Autumn and I think of you everyday and we need you.. No matter what . We will do anything to get you back in our life and keep you safe . No matter what it is, we will go thru anything and anyone to find you. You are our world .. we love you so much Jade. -summer </3

  153. Michelle Sidhu says:

    Is the evidence for this case still available? Anything that could be tested for dna, even after all this time? Although, from the articles with numerous photos, it looks like the crime scene was grand central station within a short time. Even that the evidence was flown out of state. No telling whose dna is mixed up with it now.

    The Quad City newspapers reported a blood covered hat was found. If it’s still around blood could be matched to the Bachers, maybe skin or hair from the person who wore it.

  154. Emily says:

    I am Literally watching AWP right now while I was looking through this list. Those guys are seriously AMAZING

  155. S. Davis says:

    “We encourage thoughtful discussion here but ask that comments remain civilized and constructive … i.e. without personal attacks or name-calling. Be respectful of others and remember that victims’ family members visit these pages, too.”

    Literally every comment on this page is a willful violation of your impotent policy. Maybe try harder? Or, even better idea, get rid of the comments altogether. There is absolutely nothing that anyone can, or should, contribute to these complex and difficult topics via an internet comment. All they engender are wild speculation, open prejudice, bitter resentment, and the further erosion of the already deeply scarred state of civil discourse among Americans.

  156. MikeD says:

    Considering all the foot traffic that park gets, especially during morel mushroom hunting season, I’m thinking he isn’t there otherwise someone would have found something. I too would be interested in his internet history. Ledges, especially the parking lot isn’t an uncommon place for people to meet up. In the early 2000s I was a student at Iowa State and my roommate went there alone one day to meet a girl he was talking to on the internet. He is an outdoors type so he didn’t think anything of it. It was a bad idea in retrospect because it’s rural and nobody really around that time of year.

    • MikeD says:

      After doing more research and hearing his dad on a podcast, it sounds like things were meth related. It’s really unfortunate that his dad made the mistake of touching, getting into the vehicle and driving it home.

  157. MikeD says:

    I remember hearing Erin’s stepmom say in a podcast that police wanted to search CP’s truck, but he had sold it not too long after Erin went missing. Shouldn’t there be a paper trail for that? At least a title transfer? I guess I want to rule out that the truck wasn’t just abandoned in a forrest or Cedar River etc.

  158. Dakota willson says:

    I’d start by looking for the description of these cars at junk yards.. they have some old cars piled up from years ago..

  159. X says:

    There are only 2 ways to get to the house. You have to know exactly where you are going. Back in the 70’s it was all farmers, and you could literally count on both hands the number of farmers who had land around Churchville for a few miles in any direction.
    In mid June, farmers should of been out in the fields. If you drive the route from the east or the south to their property, you see the road. You would notice a strange car, and definitely recognize a vehicle owned by anyone who lived around there. It was 1973, the DCI probably didn’t exactly canvas farmers. The other thing that’s never been brough up is where were the kids, and why. Janet was not the type to ever leave her children. Her family and church were the center of her life. Someone saw something strange, and has never come forward. There is no way a person could die as horribly as she did without someone seeing something, and the person responsible having some kind of connection to the family. It was not a random act. It had to have been planned, and whoever did it knew exactly what to do and when. I’m not a conspriacy nut, I don’t need a tin foil hat, Janet didn’t deserve to have someone take her life, and those kids never deserved the life they were stuck with after her death. Fifty years later, everyone who lived around there is dead, and sadly so is this case. As with all of these cold cases, someone got away with murder.

    • doofy says:

      I agree with you and as for the dozens of other cases like this someone had to see something but never spoke up and like you said they are gone and dead and got away with an awful crime

      • X says:

        Thank you.
        I’m pretty sure no one in that area even knows this ever happened,
        I’m not even sure if there are any of the original family descendants in the area anymore. To see a few people have commented over the years Is nice. I used to live around there, over the years one person came to mind, but is also long deceased. It’s pure speculation.
        Hopefully they are in a special section of Hell wether connected to this tragedy or not.

        • Helen Burk Clark says:

          I am a niece of Janet’s and was in high school at the time. Janet’s husband was my mom’s brother. We all believed as a family that he was the one responsible for her death. He was disowned from the family after her murder until the day he died. I remember the next day being told that she had committed suicide which was what Uncle Frank had told us!!!!!
          Interesting

    • Helen Burk Clark says:

      The day Janet died she had taken her children up the road to grandma’s house. She told grandma that Frank needed her to help in the field. She was found dead later that day.

  160. JimS says:

    His family lived in KS where he returned to. His younger brother died just a few years back, I knew him fairly well, they were generally good people. His dad just died three days ago. I have pictures of the incident as it took place here in Coffey County leading to his suicide. They have searched around here but I doubt he carried her here. If he did they were countless places to put her that would not have been on the property.

  161. Anne says:

    When was the gate put in place? The one the dive team had to drive around?? And why was one installed? Didn’t look like much back there that you need to gate it. Also, I think it is really odd that IF that is where the party Was then why hasn’t anybody from the party come forward?? I have been to plenty coal mine stripping cut parties in my day and nobody would have left like that and not be unnoticed no matter how loud the music was.

  162. MikeD says:

    I read the news that familial DNA just cleared this case. Thomas O. Freeman of West Frankfort, Illinois was the source of the suspect DNA. Not sure what the source of the DNA was. Thomas O. Freeman decomposing body was found in October of 1982 in Cobden, Illinois.

    • Kim says:

      Here’s a link to one of the stories about Freeman’s murder of Lee and his own subsequent murder as well:
      https://news.yahoo.com/cops-crack-hospital-worker-40-193818413.html

      • Stay Strong! says:

        Very interesting read. I love this got solved.

        It’s pretty clear that authorities believe her husband, Nemke, killed the Freeman. The most likely scenario it seems to me is that Freeman foolishly talked about the crime and Nemke heard about it since he evidently lived in the area.

        That’s the only plausible scenario I can think of since the authorities were unable to come up with a suspect all those years and Nemke would have no other way of identifying Freeman.

        Interesting stuff!

        • Jim F says:

          That’s a far stretch based soley on a murder/rapist bragging about their crime. Hardly plausible. I am more inclined to believe he followed her from the truck stop area. That truck stop was very busy then and the area was not nearly as populated as it is now. The casinos were not there then. Being on the I-80 & I-29 corridor it attracted a lot of traffic and criminals.
          All these years and I couldn’t help but think it was connected to the Mayfield murder that happened a couple of months earlier.

          • Stay Strong! says:

            I either didn’t make myself very clear or you misunderstood my comments.

            I was referring to the fact that Nemke (her ex-husband) allegedly killed Freeman (the recently identified killer of his ex-wife Ratori). The article is pretty clear that law enforcement believes that Nemke killed Freeman and that they both lived in the same area in Southern IL. I don’t know how Nemke would have otherwise would have known Freeman did it unless he foolishly talked. Clearly Nemke wasn’t at the scene and LE didn’t know who killed him until just recently, long after Nemke passed and Freeman was killed.

            I don’t doubt the fact that Freeman, a trucker, and the fact that the hotel Ratori was killed and the truck stop were very close in proximity is likely linked.

            • Jim F says:

              I suppose what’s needed is confirmation that these three actually KNEW each other as opposed to being from the same area.

            • Patrick Kerrigan says:

              The husband was a person of interest in the murder of three women, at Starved Rock State Park in Illinois. He was arrested in a stolen car on the Northside of Chicago.

              Someone suggested that his connection to Illinois makes him a suspect. Well I live in Illinois, which makes me a suspect also. We can add all the residents and former residents of Illinois, as possible suspects.

              Also John Wayne Gacy was a resident of Illinois, makes him a suspect. But then I seem to remember that he worked in Iowa.

              I prefer that we come up with some links that shows thst the husband had previous contact or knew Freeman.

              To quote Sgt. Joe Friday, “just the facts”, and not assumptions.

              • Stay Strong! says:

                It’s speculation, not assumption; the former of which is in part what this message board is for – as long as it’s qualified as such. Heck, I’ve seen you make similar speculation often on this very board.

                As for the basis of said speculation, I suggest you read these specific quoted comments from LE Officer Weddum – the officer working the case…

                “I’m not a real big believer in coincidences,” Weddum told the Nonpareil, explaining that Rotatori’s husband, Nemke, who died in 2019, is considered a person of interest in Freeman’s murder.

                “With his known history of being in the area of where our suspect lived and where our suspect died, it raises suspicions of his involvement. That he possibly could’ve been involved,” Weddum said.

                Quite a stretch extending the specific, quoted, on-point comments from the LE officer above to you and Gacy’s residency.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      Cobden, Illinois is located in Union County, which is northeast of Cape Girardeau, Missouri. Not exactly close to Council Bluffs. Also West Frankfort. Illinois is in Williamson County, close to Interstate -57.

      I wonder how her husband would be able to identify him as the offender in a short period of time, when the police had no clue.

      The other question is Freeman connected to the murder of Linda Mayfield, F/B, in the Starlite Motel, also in Council Bluffs on April 9, 1982. She appears was stabbed multiple times in the face, chest and stomach.

      • Stay Strong! says:

        Yes, I wondered how her husband identified the killer too (see my posts above if you’re so inclined).

        Since Nemke spent a lot of time in Southern IL, I speculate that Freeman talked and Freeman heard about.

        Now that I think about it, a couple of other possibilities: 1) Freeman returned home with stab wound injuries, some people knew he was in the Council Bluffs area, people connected the dots, and that got around to Nemke. 2) Nemke hired Freeman and then killed him to silence him.

        • Anita Martin says:

          I also wonder whether it is possible that Freeman knew Nemke years ago when they were younger. Nemke was 39 when Lee was killed, if my math is correct. Freeman was 35. Could they have served time together in juvenile corrections? Could Freeman have had anything to do with the suspicious fire which killed the female juror (serving on the jury for Nemke’s murder trial in the 1960s) and the juror’s teenaged daughter when Nemke was in custody? In one of the articles I read, it said when Freeman was found dead, no one had reported him missing for at least 3 months. That raises other questions as well. My gut feeling is that yes, they knew each other.

  163. Phyllis McGowan says:

    Sweet heart I pray you get the answers you are looking for there’s Way to many lost.out there God be with you

  164. Pam Heintzleman says:

    Can’t they check dna through teeth Etc now?

    • Jenni says:

      They have to use a combination of DNA and genetic genealogy. The DNA gives them the genetic profile of the deceased individual. But they have to have something to compare that to. Yes, they could compare the DNA of the unidentified individual to that of Matthew’s family members. Otherwise, if they don’t have a potential match to compare to, they have to use genetic genealogy to trace the family of the deceased. Usually at best, they get a hit on a distant relative in a database of people whose DNA profiles have been voluntarily submitted.

  165. Alisia Myers says:

    28 years now still unsolved ,but we have a new cold case team in Des Moines Iowa , I hope and pray they open my mom’s case and re review it.

  166. Karmen Alvarez says:

    Rip tio Nelson u were and always will b in our hearts

  167. Rae Brady Elson says:

    I agree 🙄just wondered where is this Boy Scout camp , or Kiwanis cabins ? Exactly 🙄in toddville or Palo ?

  168. Anne Doll says:

    I wish the Dallas County Sheriff’s department would look into this “suspicious death”. There were witnesses there that need to be talked to. This was a murder!

  169. anon says:

    And now I see that former Des Moines register staff writer Frank Santiago passed away last year. So any institutional memory that he might have is long gone also. https://www.desmoinesregister.com/obituaries/dmr117504

  170. Sbbig ynohtna says:

    I must’ve struck a cord because I have a lot of people reacting negatively to what I said but I have one question for them I will I’m not going to stop preaching what I know because I know what I saw and you’re not gonna stop me from voicing what I saw unless you plan on killing me too like you did Eric and you know who you are and I know who you are too and I guess if you think I’m a danger to you then you’ll have to do something about it won’t you but let’s be real I wouldn’t be a danger to you only a danger to your freedom because of what I know so come and get me!

  171. Tony says:

    This was not an accident Eric was my friend and I know for a fact he was murdered, his father absolutely hated the fact that Eric thought he might be gay and he killed him for it when he found out about it this was all a really huge issue when does homicide happened and I was not surprised that Eric ended up dead he was always afraid of his father. I never thought his father was serious when he told Eric if you ever become gay or try to be gay I will kill you boy I thought he was just saying it I never realize how serious he was!

    The funny thing is the parents said they were at home that evening and that’s an out right lie because I heard the shotgun go off from my bedroom door I remember standing there with my back to my bedroom window in the doorway and I heard the loudest sound I’ve ever heard in my life. I turned around and looked out the window and I saw Eric‘s dad‘s truck and his moms car both in the driveway and a short time later Eric‘s dad came out of the house threw something in the garbage can got in his truck and left by this time Eric‘s mom had already left the house. I know he killed him!

  172. Sherry Sheets says:

    I am not sure how Lisa’s comments is helping this case? are you serious with your slander and lies? Stop telling lies for the truth cuz you definitely was not around the family or I would know you.

    • Mary Johnson says:

      I am John Thomas Jr Johnson daughter. My grandpa is John Thomas Johnson sr. I am trying to find all of my family. Please contact me at 4022496613

  173. doofy says:

    my thought is that if the officer thinks it will never be solved then give us a name and some more details of the crime if there is any.

  174. Mary e, oneill says:

    I’m the great
    Great granddaughter of James Nicoll and the same thought came to me Linda, maybe he was having an affair! M.O.

  175. Nicole Giles says:

    Father died in 2016

  176. Nicole Giles says:

    Are there more photos of Rodney John Olsen? Here it says he was out visiting someone but i found another site that said he went back to Britt to visit the son.

  177. Autumn M Ruddy says:

    Hi mom, it’s me again. Today is a very hard day for all of us. 25 years and still no answers… I still hope for the day we have some closure and justice.
    I talked with a news reporter today, in hopes to get things out there..
    I love you mom, to the moon and beyond…not a day goes by where I don’t think about you.
    Love always, Autumn ❤

  178. Maria says:

    I’m guessing the waterbed had bullet holes in it?

  179. Summer says:

    I think of you everyday. I love you forever, Im waiting for the day to hear your voice again. Autumn and my heart is broken for every second that goes by missing you. Love you always – Summer

  180. Constance Combs says:

    Have the police rocated and re-interviewed all of the people who were at the camp? Both leaders and former children attendees should be interviewed again. If children targetted him as a joke, they may not have desired the outcome and then didn’t want to admit it once he was in the river. Now someone might be more willing to tell if they were only an observer. Secondly I belueve that all family members of missing lived ones should take an Ancestry DNA and 23 and Me dna test and upload the results for free to Famiky Tree, My Heritage, abd especially Ged. If a body is ever located it can then be identified through the dna. If a person ran away or was kidnapped and they eventually grow up and do a dna test. they will find out who they are and locate relatives. Also save a stamped envelope or toothbrush of the lived one because soon these items will be able to be tested to match someone’s dna.

  181. David Oathout says:

    I’m the eldest son of Gene Oathout, who owned Oathout Funeral Home at the time of the 4/2/1962 fire. I’m surprised to find this arson in the “cold cases” file, as my clear memory is of a firebug who was apprehended after a string of arsons. He was accused of torching 3 churches in addition to the Funeral Home. I don’t know if he was convicted.

  182. Dave Doyle says:

    Has anything more been done here? Are people still local? I would be interested to dig into this and find out what happened to people after the event.

  183. Gwen Kubberness says:

    John Rude was electrician

  184. Gwen Kubberness says:

    In searching newspaper articles I notice a pattern of killings from 1970- 1974 this could very well be a serial killer in that area, I will need to look further before I am 100% sure.

  185. Gwen Kubberness says:

    His Social Security states he was living in Iowa when he retained his Social Security Number, I am still search for addresses and places her was after he returned from service.

    Name: Alexander Sauceda
    Social Security Number: 483-66-7724
    Birth Date: 17 Jul 1950
    Issue Year: 1966
    Issue State: Iowa
    Death Date: Oct 1973

  186. I found him in a article for a traffic fine he got for $10 in Colorado Springs Newspaper in 1971.

    CLIPPED FROM
    Colorado Springs Gazette-Telegraph
    Colorado Springs, Colorado
    04 May 1971, Tue • Page 25

    https://www.newspapers.com/clip/93819544/alexander-torres-sauceda/

  187. Paul Andrew Anderson says:

    People need to watch the 20/20 episode January 29, 2022 with Bill Pruins 2 daughters about the Jodi Huisentruit case with Krystal and Scarlett and their setting the record straight saying there is no connection between their dad’s death and Jodi’s disappearance. They want to people to stop with the rumors they are hurtful to both of them. The police, both of them Krystal and Scarlett and the private investigator are saying their dad Bill Pruins was not murdered but was an accidental shooting and there was no indication of foul play but an accident! They want the rumors stopped period and let their dad rest in peace and whatever his legacy will be so I agree with them let this go their dad wasn’t murdered but an accident.

  188. Kim says:

    I don’t know if anyone watched the 20/20 episode about Jody Huisentruit’s case, but Billy’s case was discussed as well during the episode. There were rumors that his case was linked with Jodi’s, but according to the private investigator that Billy’s daughters hired, the shooting was accidental. According to the episode, Billy had been carrying the gun and somehow tripped and fell on it, causing it to discharge. If that’s true, then his case isn’t linked to Jodi’s disappearance and his death was a tragic accident. The 20/20 episode is entitled “Gone at Dawn” and just aired on 1/28/22.

  189. Paul says:

    Bill Pruins daughters did an interview with 20/20 and say there is no connection between his death and Jodi’s case and they wan the rumors to stop. His daughter’s, the Police, and private investigator all agree his death was an unfortunate accident and they want his legacy to be what it may be so again they want the rumors to stop.

  190. Fefe says:

    Have you guys got any updates or it’s still unsolved

  191. Gina Rowley says:

    I used to live in that apartment building, in her apartment. She didn’t live upstairs, it was the downstairs apartment she lived in. My landlord told me that, that’s how I know that .

  192. Anon says:

    The Dubuque PD knows that Arnsdorf is dead. The brothers she was seen with had their car compacted at a friend’s junkyard in central IL a few days after her disappearance, police couldn’t get a warrant. She’s in the trunk of that car.

  193. John Platter says:

    Hi Kelli and those who new Judy,

    I was a 6th grade student at Madison Elementary where Judy volunteered as sort of a playground director. A classmate Robert Graves used to walk to school with Judy at times and as i recall he broke the news that something was up the Monday after her murder.

    Judy was beloved by all of us but especially the rowdy mischievous bunch, which I was part of. They played Bridge Over Troubled Waters at the funeral at St. Paul Lutheran. I was sitting in maybe the 3rd row slightly behind and to the left of my good friend Leroy Williams in the row in front of me.

    Leroy had a scar beneath his left eye and I remember vividly the tears streaming from his eyes as a kind middle aged woman offered him a tissue.

    When my kids were young we were driving back from a ski vacation in California when Bridge came on the radio. I had to explain to my wife and 2 sons why I was balling as I always do when I hear that song.

    I check up on Judy’s case from time to time hoping that you and the rest of her family, and the many, like me who’s life she touched can find closure. She was a fun and wonderful person and we are all lucky to have known her.

    Please pass on my prayers and condolences to her family and friends.

    Best wishes,
    John Platter

  194. Tri State Girl says:

    I know this answer might be lost in time, but does anyone know if David Morris was related to the Tommy Morris who was killed in 1972? It would be crazy if they were brothers or something. https://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/tommy-morris/

  195. karen jean tanner says:

    This guy looks like a man that stalked me in 1974, he followed me to Mason City, Iowa and forced me to go to OKC and then to Danville, Virginia. The perp used the name, James B. Sizemore of Moore, Oklahoma. Could be they switched identities or something because the Danville PD claims they have no record of the incident although I was at the PD and escorted out of Virginia by an undercover agent. The couple who told me to go to Iowa were a white man with one leg and a black female. They had to have notified the perp because he found out I was there. There are stories of criminals switching identities.

  196. karen jean tanner says:

    I’m noticing so many disappearances in Iowa of disabled people from even the 1970s, unbelievable, seems like the State or some agency may be involved with so many of them. I also find it unusual that the more recent missing persons have no photo, most everyone has photos nowadays with cellphones and facebook, seems suspicious they have no photos, more like deliberate.

  197. Tom Pohlmeier says:

    I don’t think Owen did that. I never heard of back door bill, she never mentioned him.I hope the truth comes out before I die.

  198. Loretta Haslup says:

    Does anyone have a picture of this dude Curtis Padgett

  199. Schelly (Doss) Koch says:

    Could this be Kimberly sue Doss? She came up missing in 1980 not 1982.

  200. Tony Gunnz says:

    Dashawn Smith who killed him? I want to know for I can do my job as the Equalizer

  201. bluelights says:

    There is only one male in the doe network that fits the timeline of this one, and they lived about 90 minutes away at the time and on the date, but the physical statistics are too far apart. I’m guessing that since the clothes could be described, the body wasn’t burned far enough to reduce it this much. Looks like the one was found on the morning the other went missing, so, mech, that doesn’t match up either unfortunatly. https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/5510dmne.html

  202. bluelights says:

    Probably too many months between this woman from the doe project going missing and this woman being found, but i wonder if anyone looked to see if the two were related, since this woman was pregnant and the other lady had two kids by a guy who dumped them off with their grandparents and never saw them again after his wife went missing. Fort Campbell, Christian County, Kentucky is directly south of clinton county iowa where the body was found. I wonder if anyone ever tried to compare the two and see if it might have been her. https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3720dfky.html

  203. Tonya Lafarr says:

    I don’t know if anyone has heard or not but Diane’s sister Twyla passed away. My thoughts and prayers are with them both.

    • Jody Ewing says:

      Tonya, thank you so much for letting us know about Twyla’s passing. She so diligently pressed for justice in her sister’s case, and she will be greatly missed. My heartfelt condolences to the family. Jody @ ICC

  204. Joseph W Teske says:

    Madonna robbins was dating Terry brian was her ex he was meeting her at walkers …

  205. Joseph W Teske says:

    Brian rose….hance and Joseph robbins sr killers…..joseph jr tainted car

  206. Katie says:

    I always thought this case was fishies!! I didn’t know Kim but I know the the boys.
    As for the house fire the fire chief and the investigator should of found the cause of the fire because I know when we had our house fire they found the cause of the fire !!

  207. Constance Combs says:

    So surely law enforcement has asked for cell phone pings at the Lake when the girls were there and then tracked those pings to actual owners of those cell phones. Then did they also look to see if any of those cell phones also ping in the 7 Bridges area between tge time tge girls were mussed and the time the bidies were found. Secondly, there are commercial satelites that periodically cover the area where the girl’s bodies were discovered. If the lication where the bodies were discovered, couldn’t law enforcement pinpoint when the bodies first appeared in that location. Then couldn’t cameras on private property identify vehicles en route to the seven bridges area pror to the time the bodies appeared?

    • Sean Weston says:

      very good questions.I believe that the site where they were found was a known meth lab dump site.In the heart of the park.definitely someone local!!!

  208. Jim Farrell says:

    Malinger says: “It was unfair to accuse just the Clinton Police,” he said. “We weren’t the only investigating authorities.” But you WERE the first ones called, the first ones on the scene, and the first ones to investigate. You went through the trouble to find the car, check the registration, check the doors but you couldn’t make ONE PHONE CALL to this business? I wouldn’t think twice about calling anyone on my street if I saw their car running that long. A business would practically expect it.
    Sorry if this sounds mean spirited but this show up and do the minimum type of response is inexcusable. And nothing has changed from what I can see.
    I respect the police and pay good money for their services. But don’t EVER expect blind allegiance to them, or anyone, from me.

  209. doofy says:

    he is probably in Mexico

  210. Harding alum says:

    I was in the same Harding Middle School gym class that Adam S. described and remember Curtis Padgett’s 20+ minute mile. He laid down near some bushes along Collins Road near the northeastern-most softball/baseball diamond while all the rest of the students were closer to the school waiting for Curtis to finish his mile “run”. It’s like he didn’t even want to try. I remember thinking he could have just slowly walked the mile in a faster time than what he ended up getting.

    I also remember his occasional sudden angry outbursts if someone tried messing around with him. Some students definitely tried to provoke a response from him on purpose just because the response was often so outrageous.

    I think he only made it through 1 year at Kennedy High School before dropping out or going to Metro Alternative High School. His freshman picture in the 1995-1996 Kennedy yearbook is the same as the one on this webpage and there were no other pictures of him in future yearbooks.

    I’d guess Curtis’ home life growing up couldn’t have been very good, seeing the way he turned out.

    I’m surprised any girl would have ever been remotely associated with him, unless one were to use him to buy cigarettes or to get a ride somewhere. Even then, you’d think they’d find someone other than Curtis.

  211. h says:

    There is a guy online that looks so much like Eugene’s age transgression photo. His name is Troy Lund and he happens to be an actor/director, etc. He has the same eyes and facial features. There is not much info on his past. Could this be Eugene?

    • Tri State Girl says:

      No. Johnny, Eugene, and Marc were probably abducted and killed by either someone from the Des Moines Register, one of the men from the Des Moines pedophile ring that was busted in the 80’s, or another local pedophile who was never caught. I’m not from the area at all, but the case has pulled at my heartstrings. It’s unfortunate that obvious suspects were allowed near children. I don’t like when people push ideas that honestly don’t make any sense. Johnny’s case has had the worst of it, but the other two cases suffered as well. Not to mention the attempted abductions from 1986 to 1989. Someone local clearly took the kids.

    • Denielle Kelly says:

      Absolutely it could be him.

  212. Stay Strong! says:

    Brian’s father, Arnie, recently passed away.

    I trust he’s reunited with his son Brian now in heaven.

    https://www.cedarmemorial.com/Obituary/2021/Dec/Arnold-Arnie-E-Schappert/

    • Jody Ewing says:

      Thank you for sharing the info about Brian’s father. I’ve since added it to Brian’s page, and am glad his father lived long enough to see his son’s case closed. Have a Happy New Year!

      • Stay Strong! says:

        You’re welcome Jody. I’m happy to help in some small measure.

        I enjoy this site. Keep up the good an important work!

  213. Stay Strong! says:

    Brian’s father, Arnie, recently passed away.

    I trust he is reunited with Brian

  214. kaelyn says:

    i most deff think that this is the weirdest crimes iv heard it kinda makes no sense to me,what did he have agianst them? what was his motive where would he have hid if you can hear every tiny thing like a sneeze it blows my mind the things people do to others

  215. LakeLife says:

    DNA can still be collected but they would need to exhume the body.
    Praying for the truth to come out!

  216. Jen says:

    Another alias to add: Junior Giovanni Pol
    Beware, this site has actual child porn pictures on it. Someone should report this one and get it taken down: https://soundcloud.com/j-nior-giovanni-nimaja-pol

  217. Debbie says:

    Dear sweet Aunt Martha, my Mom (Elaine) is with you (and my Grandpa Arnold) in heaven now :( I was just a girl when this robbery/assault happened. We are from the Chicago area. My Mom, Aunt Jackie, Aunt Bonnie, Uncle Lou and Grandma Helen were devastated by the news of Martha’s murder! I pray the offender has somehow served justice and has remorse. I see a comment by Karen. I’m wondering how we are related?

  218. Muscatine County History Enthusiast says:

    I believe that Annette Cahill was wrongly convicted and that Robert Morrison commited the Cory Weineke murder.

  219. Anna says:

    Maybe Kayla should think about the person she’s trying to defend. The reason he is a registered sex offender is because he sent inappropriate pictures to her underage sister “on accident”! I’ve known him since we were kids and he admitted to me that was why he has to register.

  220. Sam Kime says:

    The comment about it being over drugs is ridiculous…that is not what happened at all I personally think the Fayette Co police are lazy and flat out don’t want to ever deal with anything because when first reported they wanted to write it off as a vehicle incident…but not until backlash did they go oh well ok and point out allll the obvious staging it was 100% wade lenth and it was over wades still girlfriend and im sure she knows about it as well i have not lived in the area since I was little but all my family lives there and I know alot of people …did they check laynes phone?? Maybe look at the texts he was sent from wade saying things like how he’s going to kill him for talking to his girl and crap like that or how about laynes roommate (and maybe this is hear say) but wasn’t it his roommates pickup that layne was found in….wasn’t the crime scene in the house poorly cleaned up by someone who probably had access to the house?? Wasn’t his roommate good friends with wade? The crime is practically solving itself but….wade walks free smiling in his Facebook pictures…meanwhile laynes family still has to suffer.. seems fair huh?

  221. Blaster28 says:

    Has anyone thought maybe the suspect got entertainment from strangling people?? I’ve been reading another case, Sandra Dee “Sandy” Kinney was also strangled and thrown in the river. She was also found nude.. maybe this killer, Jerry Lee Huff, had a sexual desire’s before strangling and dumping the bodies into the river. He cannot be tried for the murder of Sandra Dee Kinney but maybe we can get him for the killing of Roger Warren. Also sounds like Jerry is still living in the Davenport area. Both murders happened in the downtown area of Davenport.

  222. AnitaJohnson says:

    Leon Sr.
    Yes, I noticed these two babies. The towel on the first baby had two tea towels, one with numerals “49” on a corner. Could that towel be trom a hospital? Hotel/bar/tea room/restaurant? I think that ordinary people like us are giving hope to cold cases.
    Could the towel be from a??? What do you think?

  223. Karen Reno (Baldwin) says:

    I was a classmate of Guys. I remember talking to my mom after his disappearance. I remember missing him from my class the rest of the school year.

    • SD says:

      This Harry Lyle Meader III has a criminal history a mile long. His outstanding fines and court costs are well into the 6 figure range. Looking at public records it looks like he was out of jail at the time Josh was last see, although he did have a failure to appear warrant set on October 15th of that year. He wasn’t taken into custody on November 22nd in Benton County. If I’m reading the records correctly there was certainly a window of time where he could have been involved. Both this man and Joshua Wellman have meth related convictions. Interesting stuff.

      • Jet Drie says:

        Harry might be a criminal but a killer he is not! He doesn’t even like to fight! His extensive criminal history is non violent mostly drug charges an eluding law enforcement! Why don’t people understand the effects of serious accusations such as these. Calling someone a murderer is something you’d better have a lot of evidence to support otherwise you throw the police into their life for no reason at all! Sharing misinformation is just as bad as being the person doing the original misinforming if not worse! Your minimal theory as to his involvement includes….oh well he was out of jail during that time is pure BS using that theory anyone who came up missing or dead during those couple months was Harry’s fault!? C’mon now that is just asinine! On a serious note … condolences to his family for having to live with constant belief he is probably deceased. I prefer to believe he’s just fine an had to go cause he was adamant about not going back to prison!!! Good luck I hope y’all get the closure your seeking!

        • SD says:

          Jet Drie, since you are replying to me, let me take a moment to correct you. I didn’t call anyone a murderer, I only did the research to see he has an extensive criminal history and was free during the time Josh went missing. I came at this from the opinion that you are innocent until proven guilty. I am looking for every reason to rule him out as a person of interest. Saying he was out at the time doesn’t mean he is guilty, it just means that he isn’t necessarily in a position to be cleared. He ran from a custody/treatment program that Linn County had him in recently so as of the moment of this comment he currently has a warrant for his arrest and is on the run from authorities. He is only making the future worse for himself regardless of this case.

    • Cody says:

      Sheriff Howe said he is now more optimistic. Is that because they just now obtained the phone? It seems there are two mysteries involving this case. 1, the murder, & 2, the investigation! We are definitely in the dark here. I understand why, but it just seems like they are being extra extra vague with evidence and details. How was this story leaked, & what prompted it? The phone? We still don’t know when they “found” the phone. I sure hope the FBI and/or NSA are working on that phone. Seems to me that a likely scenario was that whatever these people were doing in that car, Alicia wasn’t supposed to see (possible rape?) & poor Alicia was killed for it. Purse found with cash still in it tells me they were in a big hurry, & that timeline sure is narrow! I’ve never seen these snap chat photos. Such a peaceful looking day yet such a dark cloud of evilness…

    • Cody says:

      Something else seems troubling. There was a 15 minute window between the time she sent her last text, and her body being discovered? Seems to me that the Game Fish & Parks officer would have had to see the vehicle in question! Wasn’t there just the one road leading to and from Myron Grove? Seems like he had to see something.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      I am glad they admitted to having the cellphone. I am frustrated with the various little tidbits they have not released. We have to many cold cases with agencies holding back little details to supposedly protect the investigation. This includes cause of death, weapon used, caliber of firearms used, etc. We have too many cold cases that have not been solved for over 20, 30, 40 years. Yet, the agencies are still holding back these basic details, that might have jogged someone memories.

      Alicia was murdered 6 years ago. Yet, we know that she purchased a fishing license at a Walmart. Also, that a couple was making whoopee in a car. So, no one else was at the fishing spot. Yet, she was murdered within 15 minutes of her sending her last text. Now, we hear that they have her cellphone. They won’t tell us if they had it since day one or just found it.

      Maybe, someone overheard where she was going fishing at the Walmart, and followed her there.

      In Chicago, Illinois in 1972, we had two teenage girls murdered. They were shot in the head with a .32 caliber firearm, and they were posed with their legs in a shape of the letter V, in Washington Park. The park is located on the south east side of Chicago. There was no sexual assault of the victims.

      Their murder is a cold case. An individual claims that their murder may have been ordered by Chicago Mob figures from the Bridgeport Section of Chicago. It appears the older girl (17), worked at a waitress at a restaurant connected to a motel for truckers on the Southwest side of Chicago.

      The motel was operated by Chicago Mob connected individuals. Supposedly senior mob guys hung out there and the older girl may have overheard something she should not have heard. The senior leadership of the Chicago Mob, should have educated them about keeping their mouth shut.

      However, we have all those details from a 1972 murder. Plus where they were last seen. We even know the older girl attended Gage Park High School, until she dropped out of school.

      Also, just for general information a Frederick R. Burke, aka “Killer Burke”, who was part of the Rat Pack out of St. Louis, Missouri. He also was involved in the St. Valentine Massacre in Chicago.. He was captured based on suspicions by a civilian, who was into True Crime. He even wrote to the Justice Department in Washington, for a description of Killer Burke.

      Killer Burke was taken into custody, and transferred back to St. Joseph, Michigan, where he faced charges for the murder of a policeman.

  224. MikeD says:

    Anyone who takes an advanced interest in this cold case eventually comes to realize that one of the loudest voices has a history of spreading disinformation and fabricated stories in an attempt to keep Johnny’s name out there. If you publicly discuss the case in any form of media, and don’t follow this person’s narrative, they will attempt to discredit you. It has to be exhausting maintain their narrative, and I wish this person would clear the air. It’s probably the best thing they could do for the cold case at this point.

    • John W says:

      This is confusing and disturbing at the same time. I wish the known evidence and facts were the focus on this “documentary” and not the conspiracy theories. Do not get me wrong, I believe in some conspiracies and I think like everything else; there is a time and a place for such but not here.

      The photos that were left at Noreen’s door in 2006 look to be Johnny and some other boys, just by looking at the photos they appear to have been taken not too long after he was abducted.
      I am not sure what to make of him “visiting her in 1997”, that does not make any sense. We do not know if he is even alive after all these years and if he is alive, where is he?

      • Truth Bomb
        I was a totally controlled Monarch slave when I wäs made to visit her in 97. The purpose of the visit was to hypnotically access her and erase her memories of Ted Gunderson finding me in S. Texas as carried by most
        of the local news. And to make her react favorablly to the other guy who Ted pointed to in DC after Ted started working with the cover up. Many of you probably remember when they found me. I live in Lamoni, Iowa now and will continue pursuing the political cult who harmed me and continues to harm other children as you read this. And FYI I’m not a pedo as she says Paul says
        https://johnnygosch.wordpress.com/

    • Tom J. says:

      Mike, why don’t you just man up and say what you really think. Rather, you are just an annoying troll adding nothing to this conversation. Please just go away.

      • Eddie says:

        You added nothing as well. Do the same and go away, troll.

        You and I know Mike is referring to Noreen, and he is 100% correct.

      • MikeD says:

        I did though. I think the person that I’m talking about has been spreading harmful disinformation for the right reasons. I don’t think they are a bad person, but I think they’ll do anything to keep Johnny’s name out there. Unfortunately opportunistic people, pranksters, cons, and trolls take advantage of that person. This person backed themselves into a corner where I think they face legal action if they change their story.

        Anyway… just look at all the comments here. It’s sad how many people pretend to be Johnny or know exactly what happened to him. One of those people pretending I think is the person I’m talking about. Sad.

        • None says:

          The FBI refused to answer some simple questions in the documentary Who Took Johnny, and seeing how unhinged they are now, it isn’t hard to imagine how badly they have used their powers to destroy many lived and refuse to prosecute the guilty- or worse, if they were useful idiots to advancing an agenda.
          Johnny’s father was super weird in the documentary. the fact that he backs this faded out podcast tells me all i need to know about any “facts” presented in it.
          this Johnny guy was probably a victim of similar trauma and he probably believes he is Johnny because the real one also had severe trauma. If Jeff Gannon or Jeff Guckert wasnt the real JG then he too came off as very weird and controlled and the correct age. If the guy who claimed he was JG who died in Iowa a few years back, he too probably was screwed up. There was some sick stuff in the 70s and 80s going on because blackmail was even easier to do without the Internet and supposed deep fakes to deflect.
          I don’t know if JG is still alive, but he was alive for a long time after imo. Too many sightings with handlers to deny they wanted to use him. Paul Bonacci took AMW producers to the house of the prison guard. The children’s names were written under the house where they kept them.
          And a detective in Florida thinks some old dude taking bondage pics of young boys is just a joke? What bc the boys went along with it? In Conspiracy of Silence some producers had interviewed teenage boy prostitutes in Texas from the 80s. They didn’t think to help that boy? Just interview him? And, oh by the way, he was killed before the show was published as the interviewers casually states.
          This stuff was even stuff people watched and considered it entertainment. Think about The Sopranoes… so it’s okay a girl who is barely an adult is being used and hit on the show?

  225. LakeLife says:

    Praying this man gets justice!
    What a beautiful soul & it breaks my heart that he was killed let along so young & then just left there to die!!
    SICK!

  226. Russ Heiser says:

    Jim

    Listen To Vanushed Episode 283 Harry Milligan(By the way Very Well done)

    “thar day” you mentuined

    Vickie(mom) Hot ob the Trail by 730 pm LE Stopd ny Missing REPORT

    Initially Indicates Lenard and Vickir Home unless had Left and Returned

    ok Plausiable leaning more towards not Probable

    Riual Farm AREA Quiet(Very) hear Cricket Chitp Block away.

    You outsude? Saw heard Harrys Car Driven across Street to Shed?

    1984 Vickie and Lenard imagine 30s to 40s? No mention Deaf mutes

    2 to 3 guys did something Harry, No NOISE.

    Heard LOT Names ie last known Harry with Jeff and Doug.

    Never HEARD ANYWHERE POCAST any DAVIS Mentuined? Person Interest or OTHERWISE.

    Jim you have Audiance. me Included. (Reaches for POPCORN per say

    Reported weather FOG. I dont know how THICK.

    I’m Interested who “jim” is now?

    You Blame me? You told me(audiance).

    Note” Last FARM gig Security I did SO Dark. so DARK placed Light senors motion Dwtecrors know if something MOVED and what. Had 12 gauge on my shoullder.

    cone on jim
    37 years?

    recall saying s*** or get OFF thr Pot(maybe both types) 37 years?

    listen Vanished

    Tho now Im Interedted hearing from Jeff and Doig Disscussion basis or simple what happened rgeir version “thar day”

    later

    • Russ Heiser says:

      Jim

      :Power, drtunk or Dugged induced.

      Don’t wanna wake Up Next Day. Gal or Guy Friend like Harry his “Buddies” and ASK “Did we have Nuce Time”?

      Harry apparently did not at point to Missing.

      • Jim says:

        Here is my Theory to that all three of them were inside the trailer harry was thought to be sleeping for what they may have thought passed out drunk but harry didn’t drink as much as they thought and tryed to take his winnings while he was sleeping but harry woke up and harry got into it with them made to the front porch the porch faced tords the field away from the road only possibilites up to the point moving forward

        • Russ Heiser says:

          Jim

          recommend VideomAbott and Costello “whos on Firsr”

          Tho Cute, himrtous. Not thid CASE to some. I am NOT Monotised and dont NEED to Draw Large Audiance to You.

          My Offer 3 days 2 Nights, meals, LE or Mark Milligan in “Safe” Enviroment,

          Ypi can Purchase Cheap Throw Away Phone $20 WalMart, Walgreens ect

          I Would NEED substancial Answers First, as LE or Mark Milligan.

          “SAFE ENVIROMENT “ALL Concerned.

          I do NOT wanna Play “Whos on First”

          Consider ONCE at Fla 7 Elven going in.

          Street Guy got $5 for Bus fair?

          Both walkrf out same Time,

          Street guy Bottle Wine, Me less $5 Bicks for the purpose.

          Like Trailer? Have to REVIEW, thought you mentioned Hattys House.

          REVIWED You dsid Harrys Property.

          My understanding Milligans haf HOUSE.Lived with Vickie and Leonard.

          Wont write OFF Utailrt on Property. Till Researched

          interesting

          later

          • Russ Heiser says:

            Jim

            Matk as Town Albia and Avery want HRRY and maybe VEHICLE RCOVERED.

            37 years? Come on Jim.

            Iv Put Out to ANY Mine Shaft Explores Interested wanna Drop Cameras or repel contact info Monroe County
            already posted.

            Text into Mr Beast possiable Funding. Already has Millions in Donations.
            Sometimes may take interest.
            Liked Jimmys last VideoLast take Hand OFF LAMBO keeps it.
            Jimmy I mentioned 1sr Put Hands on 21977 Pontac may be Cool Challenge.

            Endining to Half Century(close) Cold CASE

            Batter Up? [er say

            .

        • Russ Heiser says:

          Jim

          Will Continue Interest in CHAT as long as can VERIFY as we go.

          I this Point you said Harrys Property. I dont Know if TRAILER pn PROPERTY 1984

          YOU indicated SO. HARRYS Property you said.

          Facing away from Street.

          REFRESHING Uou said in THEORY what YOU Did not SEE.

          However mentionrf YOU did SEE car Driven to SHED across Street and 2 to 3 GUYS(no names) Did SOMETHING to HARRY.

          Oh excuse ME you did MENTION Ricjhard Davis.

          Very limited Cell Phones 1984 tho I had Bulky pne
          Were YOU at Albia know someone Used Pay Phone?

          Richard waiting Trailer? Brings mote Questions. SEE

          Understand Richard IOWA Prison IF hasnt PASSED. Maybe Charles(?) pther brother knows.

          IF YOU wanna Fill in Blanks go ahead.Would recommend make Contact Mark Milligan as he requested.

          I will listen to POINT

          Answer PREVIOUS make Lomg STORY Short

          Keep ME INTERESTED

          DO YOU KNOW or SEE what happened HARRY or WHERE he is?

          Then Fill in the Blanks.

          Go fot it,

    • Russ Heiser says:

      Avery and Albia. ANYONE care to Provide VISUAL “Mikkigan” Property and House 1984?

  227. Russ Heiser says:

    Jim,

    Today I’m finding, a Turkey Plate~ Shouldnt be to difficult lol

    My Mind races in Wonder place like Albia or Avery this time year.

    Snow, XMas Lights, Enjoyment Holiday Season.

    Ok Cities do also. One my Favoritr Xnas Trees about 12″ tall delivered,

    Sleds, horses and walking about, tho extra Eye passing Drug Stores or Large Dept Stores, Albia imagine few small stores.

    Ill be Lurking Background. Info Checkrd OUT you Threw ln Revelent

    Harry Made it Home(checks out, seperated from car9do not know how long)

    Any 3 Giys Mentioned Harrys House Disappear few days recalled revelent.

    Imagine cute quaint Resrarauint Albia, Enjoy

    Might catch you later

    You mention them and I(you) imagine said what wanted

    see anything INTEREST May pop IN now and then

    gone for now

  228. Russ Heiser says:

    Leathal Weapon Christmas Opening Scene (1987)

    Gret Start,, kinda Bummed me Out, The Drug Scene Drug Induced

  229. Russ Heiser says:

    Actually

    Jibgle Bell Rock

    Non Repeting

    Once is Fine(maybe twice)

  230. Russ Heiser says:

    Jim

    Not Playing Patty Cakes

    other things to do.

    Romper Room came to Mind. Lady with Spy Glass. “I See” “I See Jim, I See Richarf,, I SEE Harry ect.

    interesting

    thanks for initial reply

    Factual” Harry moves into Avery out of Albia per say.

    YOU Obvious have REASON Needing to REVEAL 37 years Later.

    Right Now actuall Wanna find some Turkey, and NONE repetitive version Jingle Bells

    • Jim says:

      Sometimes you just want to forget and then one day a drunk old man desides to run off and make comments about the situation people would not believe how dangerous one person may be but if you would go as far as your own brother says a lot just saying

      • Russ Heiser says:

        Jim

        Mentioned Me Former Military Police Jnvestigator Plain Clothes
        . Arrive. Intial Interview. No Indication Drugs.
        Wgat happened to Mother? Spoke well not errational
        No drugs, no beating, calm woman ecr ect

        Turned case Over to CID complete

  231. Russ Heiser says:

    Mark Milligan

    OBVIOUS LE will Vet(quaify or discard)

    “jim” siaid that day” Me lot more Questions

    Matter Discussion ONLY

    Seems refering to

    Sunrise 543am. July 1sr `1984 “that day”

    Didnt check Visibility, ie tain, fog distance Sighting or hearing factors, sure Avery and Albia on it.

    or Jim still peekin in?

    Obvious ypur leisure care to.

    Color Shed
    Metal or wood
    Big enough Car?
    barn doors or open ended
    How far sighted, clos
    neighbors recall
    close enoigh hear
    rain. fog rhat day?
    Trees 1984 impair sight, bushes ect
    colot clothes All contrasting car, maybe Harry Stoog OUT
    Obvious Who Drove Car across Street
    1984 Description Housings, Scenery ect for Visual
    Cell Phone? I started using 83 – 84
    Dusturbance wake you or headed out

    Iowa NEXT Chapter us Yours.

    Other Issues for me tho will Look IN now then

    Addios

  232. Charles Barber says:

    If you went to Tech High between 1983-85, and you never heard about Penny Watson death then you most of not been in school. There is NO WAY you could have missed her death in school.

  233. Russ Heiser says:

    Mark Milligan

    POINT

    Recall Harry `1sr Reported Missing Hoq Handled 1984

    Yoir FORMWR LE.

    Plenty of Qualified LE to Resolve Incliding NONE LE can RESOLVE.

  234. Russ Heiser says:

    Mark Milligan

    Saw News HAVE Harrys DNA obtained. Would ask LE Examine Helmet. Confirm,
    according to where stored.

    If Matches Sourse, Not Criminal Case but should be BEYOND Reasonable DOUBT.

    This “Point” have what belived Harrys DNA from “sourse”? Sibblong or Bio Parent?

    Thats THEIR DNA believed part HARRY.

    Harrys DNA is Harrys and ONLY when TAKEN from Harry and match, maybe personal items Secured or Stoted.

    May have something USED with Harrys DNA Im NOT Privy to.

    WHY EVIDENCE CHAIN CUSTODY IN PLACE COURT. at LEAST trying to be FAIR to Determine beyod RESONABLE DOUBT

    Not Red Herring, a Fact.

    Then “Harrys ” DNA matched to Sourse for comparrison Match.

    If LE did HOMEWORK Cool.

    Reason MENTIONED Helmet.

    Which LOTTA People may Tried On thru years Inless Stored.

    Not just Courthoise Paperwork for bio mother . Tho accepted by LE as bio Mother or Sibling.

    Point “if yuo HAVE Harrys DNA from Persobal ITEMSa snd Matched with RECORDED BIO Mother, You have Part Harry and a BIO Mother. FACT

    RECALL Dragnet? Only the FACTS Mam during questioning?

    All with a REASONING ONLY Why Jphn or Jane Doe NO DNA DATA Bases NO MATCH,

    Babies Bought Sold, given away r, kidnapped from Hospital, financial reasons ect

    RUNNING DNA from accepted SOURSE why John or JAne Doe still Mystery. to % pSTILL some Missing.

    Take to Next Level Unless Satisfied and USED Harrys DNA for for search

    Interesting.

    Harrys DNA ran or Recorded Bio Sibling or Parebt Data Base?

    Mark would ASK LE “Harrys DNA or Outside Sourse recorded as Part of Harry?

  235. Russ Heiser says:

    Mark Milligan

    Facebook was Public gander Overer for Info. I do not Facebook so locked OUT has changes. Ok

    DNA seems like your Dad did All Legal for adoption ‘ so Bio Parents KNOWN,

    If Not KNOWN ? Nice PHOTO “Harry” with Marine Helmet if you Kept Gear, My Army Helmet liked to keep few Hairs and LOT sweat ect. Stick in Closet>?

  236. Russ Heiser says:

    Jim

    Suppose if yoir in Toich LE may not want Info Divulged LE reasoning

    however Mark Milligans whole Senerio Changes at END if VERIFIED dates and times

    Ibstead Harry riding off to Sunrise, NOw Trouble House believed Headed to?

    come on Jim?

    At least date” Shouldnt be Issue with LE

    New Chapter or not?

    Ill reapect LE asked. ypu only said “them and I” keep beyween

  237. Russ Heiser says:

    Jim

    Mentioned 2 to3 men fid”something to Harry?

    Van at LEAST say DATE Harry went Missing?

    Struggle?

    Someone may wanna do Reasonable Metal Detecror Search Dog Tags or Glasses ect if Tossed could still be around.

    I posted time Sun Rose Harrys Day. Can mention if Harrys Date early Morning?

    Ill stay away to many questions

  238. Russ Heiser says:

    Suggestion Only

    Move Up Few Years

    Harry may assumed Unwanted NEW NAME “John Doe”

    Would Conder if HAVEN’T

    LE or Mark would Understand You know or Located Biological Parents for Harrys DNA to bust OUT the Data Bases? John Does Found ect

  239. Russ Heiser says:

    Ember to Fire Up ir out OUT

    Anypne ASK FBI or Matines CID to Run Harrys Prints SEE Any Activity, on FILE

    Marines should or at Least Maybe have on File. Even change name Lot Jpbs require Prinra

  240. Russ Heiser says:

    Important Side Note

    Notice Harry with Big Glasses?

    Latenr Prints research Indicate have been Raised (llifted) ip to 40 Years. Research Indicates No Scientific Evidence How Long will last.

    Tho Avery or Albia May wind up with the Answer..

    Harry was Young Marine. As “Jim” Mentioned 2 to 3 Giys on “point to subdue no Knife Gun. Would probally Knock off Harry Struggle. Example ONLY Jim only said “Did something” with Harry.

    Both Towns Probally Full tems sitting atound 60 to 80 years

    Wonder LE Interest on Fingerprint training? Might be Fun find some Old Furnitire

    If was Atruggle can determine may picked up glassea TOSSED 20 30 yards or into Car.

    Avery and Albia Hot on TRAIL per say Handle with care. Even Locate car CONSIDER Fragile to this day.

  241. Cody says:

    One would think that considering all of the available resources to state & federal agencies they could figure this out. All of the Spyware & surveillance technology they use for other things could be used in these unsolved MURDER CASES.

  242. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice for this man!
    Everyone describes him as sweet & it breaks my heart to think that such a kind soul was taken like this!

  243. Phillip says:

    Ethan was on mushrooms at the party that night.

  244. Russ Heiser says:

    self orrected

    Marines Semper fi

    Army? (me) More like “Get it Done)

  245. Russ Heiser says:

    Correction

    SEMPER Fi

  246. Russ Heiser says:

    Jim

    Cool. Thanks Return Post Reply. Me? Former PI Manager Miami New Orleans and DC

    Independent Operator NOT for HIRE tho what involved with since 70s
    l do not “hang shingle” in buisness per say

    personal interest? To Long . Lots embers ect Put um out or Fire them Up

    Like reading Nancy Drew Mystery cept has LIVE Brother Waiting.

    Harrys case caught my attention. Anything Important? May be willing Meet and apay Expenses, room, travel, meals. Short Window tho but will pass oN as needed.

    Never in News, except NO Name Case resolved; Nor No Intention

    YOU? Most Direct to issue. pointed, no BS. Somewhat REFRESHING. I will be Shadow bpxing in Background per say”

    my Interest Resolved Not Headlines Except “Harrys been Found like to SEE

    Army to Marine this case “Simpi fi”

    .

  247. Russ Heiser says:

    Mark Milligan

    Jim BEST Clue ir Person lnterest Iv SEEN Comment Yet “jim”

    Factual Obvious Revelent. They Did Something to Harry? Jim said

    Time Date Large Factor for Fpllpw UP ie Hatty Missing Date ect

    Car Driven Off?

    Even IF Red Herring Revelrnt

    Jim Why TOSS in 37 Years Later on Missing Person is Question?

    Small Roewn Albia got some Interesting Cases

    • Jim says:

      Russ I would love to answer each and every question you have but at this time I can’t irs not that I don’t have an answer but the people that need the information at this time needs to only stay between them and me however there are a few things I can point I grew up around the Davis family most of my life and the question about gary Richard and jb gary did not want any part of Richard and JBs doings Gary did not use his practice in any way to benefit the other two

      • Russ Heiser says:

        Russ looks into Cyber Space. Knock knock, Jim you in their?
        Not like Zach 2 Words gone. Figure Supernowl NEWS Chasing
        Never heard reporter tell someone “Shit Up” Scratches Head

        Lil Off Subject

        Hey Zach srill around? May SEE Superbowl. Told Ford Think Once Look Twice “Futurlitically. Optimized. . Reliably, Driven, FORD

        Excuse me Harry. Sjort Pause for the CAUSE

  248. Russ Heiser says:

    Jim

    Mentioned 2 Eaglea Fighting Earlier 2 Birds of Feather Flock Together earlier Posting

    37 yeares later Saw Harry argue, 2 men, “the car Driven OFF?

    Red Hetting keeps popping up to me.

    A Davis, maybe Brother who Murfered Brother their. I don’t know if same Davis Btothers

    This is getting endless

    Interesting

    Raises eyebrow.

    Lets Talk. Ill buy if using factual bassed internet address

  249. Russ Heiser says:

    jim

    relevent

    the day observed Harry argue and Car “The Car” Driven ACTOSS stteet, Was SAME Date Harry went Missing with :The Car:?.
    Jim Im an IO. Anything IMPORTANT to say? Ill buy YOU Ticket Weekend Dinner meet YOU, Know few LE mighr have Interesr, or arrange meet with LE,

    Not doing Much today my end.

    The Poker Room Ill throw in $100 biuy i
    chew the the Steak.(Fat per say) ight Ruffle FEW FEATHERS

  250. Russ Heiser says:

    jim

    Is Richard Davis same wo killed Dtr Brother 2011 Driveway?.

    ome on Jim.

    Could Google address wpould prefer 1984 Visual on recall.
    Why would someone Drive Car across Street? Bacck dirt road exit another roadway behinnd a Jouse?

    If Davis Brother Connection Id Check who RECEIVING Presctiption Drugs. Then and NOW.
    1984 Prescription Drugs Showing Up. Popular 84 still today.

    IF Doctor Davis Brothers(killing)

    recent video post 2 Eagles Locked together by Talons Tussling on Ground

    2 birds same feather flock together. To me expressing Focal Point of Interest

  251. Russ Heiser says:

    jim
    l found interesting
    richard davis killed gary davis his brother doctor 2011 in driveway 2011(convicted)

    lim WHP are YOI? How connrected?

    what was the shed? you mentioned, tools ect?

    any OVERJEARD Argument?

    You POSTED PUBLIC left us Waiting Part 2

  252. KA says:

    Can someone tell me why they wont release how he passed? This whole thing just doesn’t add up- at all. Like is there a reason they are holding the cause of death back?

    • Stay Strong! says:

      Probably to validate the veracity of a tip or confession if either materializes.

      Seems solvable but only if someone talks.

      This is another act of violence that is tough to swallow. A young man, just starting out. Seemed like an impressive and good guy.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      KA, it seems some law enforcement agencies hold back some details, on homicides. I have seen where some police agency, claim they are holding back the cause of death to protect the investigation.

      Yet, we have a number of agencies that released that the person was strangled, shot, stabbed, blunt force trauma, etc. was the cause of death. So, there is nothing uniform about it. If I remember right there are three cases on this forum, where the victim was murdered, but how they were murdered is not stated.

      It bothers me that holding back the cause of death, on a cold case that has not been solved for more then 20 or more years, just bugs the heck out of me. Some agencies will hold back some other detail such as a ring was missing from a victim.

      They will use the excuse that they don’t want someone wandering in and confessing to a crime, that they did not commit. So, holding back some details is a way of preventing it.

  253. tim says:

    did anyone read that murderers obituary, should not of even been linked. dont want to give a killer any type of recognition thats anyway positive. hope he rots in hell

  254. Sherri says:

    I had one of Julie’s sons in my Sunday school class. My heart breaks for this family and I was shocked at the time at how little media coverage this story got. Still so sad the case hasn’t been solved!

  255. Carolyn Braastad says:

    My father Franz Curtis worked as a butcher at Federal Fruit Market when I was young. I remember going to their house when I was young and knew both Connie and Maria. They were all great people!

  256. Tonya M LaFarr says:

    I was wondering why my cousin Ameisha Heard’s homicide hasn’t been listed here, She was shot and killed in May 2014. There was a person of interest in her case but because witnesses back out he was let go from jail. I never got to meet Ameisha because at the time of her death I was living in Texas. It’s been 7 years for our family and no justice for Ameisha.

  257. Susan Brown says:

    The only person with keys took witnesses with him to find the body?? Interesting

  258. Susan Brown says:

    I am wondering about siblings; the article states he had 11 siblings, yet only identifies 8. Also, all the links only repeat the same information found in this article.

  259. MikeD says:

    Who was the friend he spent the evening with at the Filling Station? Did that friend also walk home or did they have a vehicle? Had he done this walk home from Filling Station any other time? I assume he was walking back to his parent’s home.

  260. jessthebullygirl@gmail.com says:

    That boy Anthony know what happened if he knew where the body was….period

  261. Chris says:

    It’s about TIME this case is solved.

  262. Linda Carr says:

    With so many mysterious deaths and searches for someone to question, makes me wonder who are those that would be questioned in Mike’s death??? Seems like no one ever mentioned a thing about this then 1975! So much time has passed by …. It would be such a relief to get some answers. I pray that we could get some answers! Thanks to everyone who works to help families of victims get some help to help healing of these deaths.

  263. LeeRay says:

    I’m telling you the killer is from this area!! I followed Lyric and Elizabeth’s murders and told a lady on the phone they would be found by a body of water in a park.. this person has been killing people for a long time and I get the vibe that hes an older man now that EVERYONE KNOWS and wouldnt expect! I see and older truck with a camper and he has the nicest smile and vary polite! May even of owed a business in the area.. He also owns several properties in the area!

  264. Jenni says:

    Another possible match; I just submitted to the Doe Network: Victim found 3/7/1991 and matches Matthew’s height/weight. https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/7385/details?nav

    • MikeD says:

      Great find. That one looks really promising.

      • Jenni says:

        Doe Network says that the match has actually been submitted before, and that they forwarded the information to Law Enforcement. Clearly there was no follow up by LE, because Matthew is not in the list of exclusions for that unidentified person. A different organization (The DNA Doe Project) working on that case through genetic genealogy is checking into whether he could be a match for Matthew now.

        • Jody Ewing says:

          Thanks for the update, Jenni. So many things match in this case, and the physical similarities are remarkable. I look forward to hearing whether there’s a match to Matthew. The “list of exclusions” you referenced is invaluable; it saves both researchers and investigators from running out the same lead and hitting the same dead end.

    • Jenni says:

      FYI, this individual was determined to be a missing person from St. Louis. One less John Doe out there now.

  265. Cody says:

    It almost seems like a case of her seeing something she shouldn’t have and getting murdered for it. Evidence could be on the phone. Could be why no one has come forward, because their the perp & why phone is gone. This case has always bothered me. Such a tragedy..Evilness is everywhere

  266. Euphemia says:

    What if Millhouse was the one late night calling the Gosch residents hoping Johnny would pick up the phone?

  267. Randall Bertrand says:

    Cecil DuBois was my great uncle. Not sure who see this? Was there any forensic Evidence? Maybe someone could look into this? My name is Randall Bertrand

  268. Randall Bertrand says:

    Cicil was my great uncle. Not really sure who see this? When was the last time someone has looked at this case. Was there Forensic left that my could help? Phone 520 808 2720

  269. Paul Andrew Anderson says:

    Maureen Brubaker Farley’s murder was solved and the suspect George M. Smith of Cedar Rapids was identified through dna but he will not be brought to justice because he died back in 2013.

  270. fred dorfman says:

    Um…..*scratching head*

  271. Kim says:

    CRPD announced today that they’ve closed this case. The man who murdered Maureen died in 2013 but he’d been one of their main suspects from the start. He knew her from the diner. It was solved with DNA technology.

    https://www.kcrg.com/2021/10/05/cedar-rapids-police-close-homicide-cold-case-1971/

    • MIkeD says:

      I saw this news too. Luckily the Farley family has a little bit of closure. I can’t help but wonder how George M. Smith’s family feels and if they knew he was a suspect all those years.

      • Patrick Kerrigan says:

        He knew her from the diner. I would be nice if we knew more about his background. It might provide a possible motive for her murder. He was in his early 50’s, when she was murdered.

        • MikeD says:

          From what I read he was a known suspect, whether or not his family and friends knew that is unknown. I’m just kind of curious if the family of George M. Smith are nodding in agreement or if they are more defensive and thinking he is innocent until proven guilty? When a police department closes a case like this is there any 3rd party review of their evidence?

  272. Sarah says:

    According to the new this case was finally solved thanks to DNA.
    Investigators linked and confirmed one suspect, George M. Smith, that had died in 2013 at the age of 94.

    Smith had been identified as an acquaintance of Brubaker-Farley’s from the diner she worked at, had gone to police multiple times to inquire about the progress of the investigation, and worked at a liquor store near her apartment.

    He was interviewed in 1971 and declined a polygraph test but never charged.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      Sarah, your comment about him going to the police and inquiring about the investigation, reminded me of something in the book ‘Mindhunter’, by FBI Special Agent John Douglas. He was one of the leading FBI criminal profilers.

      He mentioned consulting on various cases, and that the offender might be the one who interjects himself into the investigation. So, a criminal profiler might have been able to take notice of that. Mr. Smith might have have caught sooner if this had been brought up.

      • Kim says:

        It also makes you wonder if Maureen’s murder was the only one he committed or were there others? He sexually assaulted her and then must’ve redressed her and washed her feet before placing her body on the car trunk. She was not wearing shoes when she was found, so did he keep the shoes as a trophy? I’d definitely be looking into other unsolved cases in the areas where he lived, see if any of them have similar M.O.’s.

        • MikeD says:

          Kind of makes me wonder about the Paula Jean Oberbroeckling case from a year prior to Maureen’s.

          • Murder Mystery Readers Comments says:

            Paula Oberbroeckling was murdered at 810 5th Street S.E. on July 11, 1970. This was a prostitute’s place of residence. If you ask the question……why were Paula’s hands tied together? I would quess that Paul’s hands were tied together to prevent Paula from leaving the prostitutes’s house at 810 5th Street S.E.
            Paula’s autopsy shows that her toes could have been broken. I would quess that Paula broke her toes by kicking a person who was trying to rape her. This person then killed Paula by smothering her to death with a pillow.

            • Kim says:

              Was that the place they called Big Lulu’s? Wasn’t it somehow connected to the murder of US Marshal Dick McKinney in 1972?

  273. Jason Beardsley says:

    Case solved through DNA and ancestry.com
    George Smith did it. News will break soon.

  274. Stay Strong says:

    This is another one that irritates me to no end.

    I can hardly believe after all these years Kevin Petersen and Jeff Daily hasn’t been brought to justice is a total injustice.

  275. Lisa Hagen Saucier Carlson says:

    Your birthday was a couple days ago and you have been on my mind a lot. I am older now then the age you were when that man took your life. Your grandson that you wanted born on your birthday, however he couldn’t wait an extra day is 25 now, just celebrated his birthday the day before yours. I wish he could have gotten to know you, I have the one picture of you & him that I treasure. Your youngest daughter has grown into a beautiful woman and she is the best mother to your 2 youngest grandchildren. I wish you could have met them, they are so stinking cute! Your sons on the other hand could really use you to watch over them. I wish I could say they are doing as well. Help them as much as you can.

    Love you
    Lisa

    • Jody Ewing says:

      Lisa, what a beautiful tribute to your mom for what would have been her 68th birthday. It’s always so nice to hear from a victim’s family member and learn how his or her children and grandchildren went on to build lives while never forgetting the one who set them on that path. Thank you so much for sharing this with us and our readers. Your mom would be so proud.

      Jody @ ICC

  276. sue rose says:

    The woman who was murdered in Boone by the name of Penny did they find out who murdered her and left her son in the house. The house is or was on old highway 30

  277. Shelly Ann Read says:

    Waterloo Iowa, near a convince store, kum & Go, near a park, on a motel poperty, this could be a possibility, look into.

  278. Sariah Williams says:

    You remind me of my little brother. You both have similar features, and your case hits really close to home. I hope we are able to find you alive buddy, as I can barely stand this, and I am sure your family can barely either. My heart breaks for you as the months keep going and no closure to this yet. I wish someone would speak up because I know someone knows something out there. Your smile is infectious little man, all prayers towards you.

  279. Cecilia Eichenberger says:

    what happened with the psychic who was hired? or didn’t that happen?

  280. MIkeD says:

    It’s too bad more information isn’t available. I wonder if a FOIA request to the Webster County Sheriff’s Office could result in any information that isn’t already publicly available.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      Mike D, I assume that the agency will not release any more information, since the case is still open. However, it bugs me that we have all these cold cases, and especially with homicides they quite often hold back some detail, so that a person who did not commit the crime, will not come in and confess to the crime.

      Many agencies, usually hold back some details, on the murder. What bugs me, is that in some cold cases we know the caliber of the firearm used in a murder. In other cases that information is not released. Some agencies will release the cause of death information, other don’t claiming to want to protect the investigation.

      I don’t know what they are protecting it from, besides they being beyond their expertise. But, then many agencies never reached out to bigger agencies for help.

      We have cases that have not been solved for 10, 20, 30, 40 years or more, and yet they won’t release these small details, that might help solve a case.

      if they are still holding back some small detail, it has not helped find her. But, then many agencies really never put the effort forth to investigate missing adults. Adults who disappear have not broken any laws.

      But, then they should pull the case file and see if they can develop some new information, or fill in the blanks they never answered.

      There was a young woman, in Texas, who disappeared over 25 or more years ago. Her father mentioned it to a constable with Harris County. He never filed a report. The missing woman’s sister, filed a report with another agency. After 22 years she asked them what they did on the report. She found that considered it a well being check, and never completed a report.

      I believe the missing woman and her car were found in a body of water, a year or two ago.

      There was a case in Omaha, Nebraska, where a young boy was lured away after getting off a bus. The family reported him missing to the Omaha Police Department. They never made a report or conducted an investigation.

      So the family hired a private detective, who traced the boy and his kidnapper to a cabin in Idaho. So the FBI and the local sheriff officers rescued him.

      So, how we handled missing persons is mess. We make a bog deal out of the disappearance of Gabby, but others never get the necessary attention, except being added to the “The Charley Project”, Redditt, Websleuths, and the Doe Network.

  281. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I wonder if Mr. Handlon is such a wanted person, why the service of the warrant was not turned over to the U.S. Marshals Service. They should be able to track him down. I wonder if he was in the scrap metal business, he may have disposed of Mr. Delaney at some facility.

    • Gary C Sobie says:

      Mark Handlon is definitely a felon. He stole money from me. And he was cheating scrap metal recyclers in the Quad-Cities area. He stole two trucks from lady that I live with. And he he lived there. And stole $1,000.00 plus more money from the lady & me awhile lot.

  282. Devin says:

    Maybe the serial killer Samuel Little? I know he was a serial killer during this time frame who murdered tons of African American women. Not sure if he was ever in Iowa but he apparently killed 90+ people.

  283. Gary C Sobie says:

    I know Mark Edward Handlon is a felon & a thief. He stole money from me & tried to kill me in the Motel 6 motel in Moline, IL. He had such a terrible & threatening anger. And it was worse when I worked with him. Doing scrap metal business. He always said, he would watch out for me(Gary Sobie). And give me money from the work that we did. But he(Mark)always was carrying lots of money with him. But he would always keep most of it for himself & exwife(Marilee Handlon). Her address is: 4903 28th Ave, Moline, IL. And if any police department is looking for Mark. Look at his exwifes house for sure. And watch her house, because she is a co-conspirator with Mark.

  284. Alice says:

    I have questions. What was the name of the judge who chronicled the domestic abuse and at least partially concluded that Dave was lying? It couldn’t have been the juvenile court judge who gave custody to Dave. Or was it? Because if domestic abuse evidence, that much of it, was testified to, the juvenile court judge was incompetent to award Dave custody. And what court papers are available to the public? I don’t know if it’s progress that someone can be convicted of murder without a body found, because circumstantial evidence is a tricky and slippery slope to try a case on. But I’m surprised, given the evidence outlined here, that the county attorney didn’t bring a case. Terribly surprised. Who was the county prosecutor at that time?
    All these people commenting. Where is your evidence? Especially the story of hip bone and a spine being found in the river. I guarandamntee you I would harass the cops until they told me what THAT was about. C’mon.
    Also-they reunite on Labor Day because the wife wants to reconcile? Did he? Surely she confided in her friends. Sounds like they were a fairly popular couple and drug users always know alot of people.
    Intetesting that Dave claimed sobriety at one point. Isn’t he in jail this very moment for drunk driving? (Monday, September 13, 2021) I bet he went to AA. I went to meetings somewhere else with a man who murdered his wife. AA is such a hide out for predators. Silly cult.
    Why didn’t the family pursue a civil case against him? And at least get a verdict of damages, because they would have. And my point is not the amount they would receive. That doesn’t matter. It’s the moral victory of winning the case that shows the perpetrator and the community that he’s never going to really get away with anything.
    I’m surprised the dude had the stones to stay in Cedar Rapids. And that anybody in the area would avail themselves of his services.
    The 2nd wife died of cancer in 2015? At 55? Very young. That’s terrible.
    My heart is with the daughter. And, no, a baby’story would never be enough to convict someone of murder. It breaks my heart that the girl was kept from her mom’s family. But I’m glad it gave them joy to finally have contact with her.
    I hope Dave Fraley will at least tell his daughter the truth before he dies. Unless she had a lover, it’s pretty inconceivable to me that he didn’t kill her.

  285. msexyblack100@gmail.com says:

    I miss you big bro and wish you was here…A to Birthday is in a couple of weeks I know your going to turn up ❤but continue to watch over us‼️LOVE YOU 🖤

  286. andrea says:

    It appears that Chantal Steeg has been active on facebook since the missing persons report was made. https://www.facebook.com/chantal.steeg.7

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      An online directory shows her supposedly living in South Sioux City. Nebraska.

      • Jody Ewing says:

        The Iowa Missing Person Information Clearinghouse (MPIC) is usually the first to delete a report once the individual has been located. As of today, they still show Chantal Steeg as missing.

        For the longest time, Facebook also showed Cari Farver as alive and posting. We now know Shanna Golyar impersonated Cari on Facebook after she killed her. The posts on Chantal’s page (primarily new profile pictures, one after the other, with an occasional link to an offsite article) strike a familiar chord.

        As long as MPIC lists Chantal Steeg as still missing (and physically endangered at that), she remains on our Missing Persons page.

  287. Alicia M says:

    My good friend Billy worthen was wrongfully accused and treated so poorly sorry for barb and her family but also sorry for the wrongfully accused as well

  288. JdF says:

    I think the key here is the wallet.
    Either he didn’t think he would need it for a short drive, or more probably, he forgot it when he decided to go to a specific place.
    Then there is the 3rd consideration of kidnapping/robbery.
    From the limited information provided I would speculate that he went for gas. The realization of forgetting his wallet is what set whatever scenario in motion. I would have first questioned the nearest gas stations.
    I picture him asking for cash from someone and getting rolled or taken advantage of.
    It would help if we knew what time of day he left and if his home was locked up.

  289. Catherine Furlich says:

    I knew Patty in the early 1970s. She was so much fun and a good person. When I went to college, we lost touch. I had no idea she had been murdered until my sister shared this post on her FB. I was devastated to find out that she had been murdered and murdered so brutally.
    I don’t know whether law enforcement has viable DNA that can be tested, but there are several labs that are now doing Genetic Genealogy and using DNA matches to identify one or more suspects. The first case solved using this method was the infamous Golden State Killer case.
    One lab, Parabon Nanolabs has solved well over 100 cold cases in the last few years. There is a cost for their services and the investigating LE agency has to contact Parabon to start the process. I imagine the other labs offering this service operate the same way.
    The most important question is whether there is DNA that was collected at the crime scene and whether the DNA has been properly stored for for 25 years.

  290. Catherine says:

    I hope that they give Janice her own article. There might be someone that is out there that may know something.. I live in her home currently and finding out about her tragic death I feel so connected to this home and her. I wish her soul peace. We go to her grave and give her flowers that her father planted many years ago that still pop up..

  291. Kim says:

    Oh no, I didn’t realize that! Prayers that she is found safe!

  292. JRM says:

    Does anyone believe Noreen’s account of Johnny visiting her in 1997?

  293. Bonnie says:

    I just reading article dated 4/16/2021 by Leslie Thompson of the Argus Observer which is the daily newspaper of Ontario, Oregon. It talks about a bag of bones recovered and Keith Schuller was called to examine them to determine what they were. He said he used the coroner’s book to identify them as deer. Also last year another bag of bones found were determined to be a cow. Since Keith examined them could they have really been Lynn’s bones and not animal? They should have had a second opinion because of Keith’s background. What an opportunity to finally get rid of the bones if they were really Lynn’s.

  294. Anonymous says:

    His killer is dead !!!!

  295. Jim F says:

    I find it very suspicious that LDS would block access to a TRAILER for their film on this website. A trailer is nothing more than an advertisement. In this case, FREE advertising for their product. So why block a potential sale? Somethings not right here.

    • Tri State Girl says:

      The film is a joke. It’s horrible journalism. They simply looked into conspiracy theories that sound fake anyways. When the film was made the Faded Out podcast didn’t exist, and Yellow Bag hadn’t made his comments on here yet. However, there were still articles from the 80’s about Millhouse, Sykora, that guy at the mall, and the pedophile ring in Des Moines that was busted. A real journalist would have followed those leads.

  296. Steve C. says:

    Tow words and one name… Genetic Genealogy and Cee Cee Moore.
    Case solved and closed.

  297. Erin Turner says:

    put kenzie lyons on here she needs to be brought home…

  298. Theresa says:

    When I see a child missing with no pictures, no information as to details where they went missing. Just their name, location date they went missing i don’t understand why there is no picture, no information. How do they expect the public to help. Very disturbing to say the least.

    • Jody Ewing says:

      Theresa, I’ve often asked myself that same question, but the info put out on many missing persons cases can be quite limited. For example, right now, there are 331 individuals listed as missing on the IDPS’s Missing Person Information Clearinghouse site. Of the 331 missing, 65 have a photo.

      My understanding is that the investigating agency will provide a photo to MPIC “if” the one filing the missing person report provides a picture of the individual to LE officials at the time they file the MP report.

      Missing persons photos may be emailed to mpicinfo@dps.state.ia.us, but the photo or photos will have to be verified by the appropriate jurisdiction.

  299. Lindsey Klar says:

    Is there any DNA that can be tested in this case? Curious if the case could be reopened?

  300. Fred Reinfeld says:

    The Huelsenbecks said he had fallen and received bruises several times in the days leading up to his death.

  301. Shane says:

    A lot of these accusations about Babe and 1 or 2 others our stories that aren’t all true.

    👉 Remember this: Once you get caught the big lie you gotta wiggle your way out of the corner your in and kiss ass. They are phony kiss ass ppl, and whenever they get caught in the big lie, they’ll try wiggling there way out kissing ass. Do not let them do that!

    👉 That is true about babe always having a bodyguard but i don’t think he himself was a mobster. He may of had friends who were but i don’t think he ever joined any mafia family. He was a bootlegger at one time way back in the 30’s but who wasn’t. Most everyone was poor back in them days. Once again, a lot of these rumors about babe are stories, right?

    Think For Yourself

  302. Karen says:

    She is my relative and I don’t remember this happening. I pray someone comes forward with the truth. She made my prom dress one year. Heartbroken.

  303. TD says:

    The address of that location he was seen on camera is never given. Which US Cellular building? How far away from ASAC was he? The sister and friends on the family’s facebook group stay tight-lipped, but they could at least share more information like that. They want people to speak up, but they wont speak up. Let us help.

  304. LakeLife says:

    Jodi! My heart breaks for you & your families loss!
    What a senseless & sick thing for a person or people to do!
    They didn’t care that that home filled with gas & would kill people!!
    They just wanted money.
    I’m so so sorry!
    As always praying for justice for him, you & your family & loved ones!
    He is always with you & I’m sure he is so proud of you & who you are & what you have done!

  305. Kim says:

    Charges were dropped against Roberts because he gave a false confession in this case:
    https://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/murder-charges-dropped-in-dexter-meeks-slaying/

  306. LakeLife says:

    This is so sad
    Maybe if the person had stopped he would still be alive.
    Praying this gets solved.

  307. Christine Howard says:

    I knew Sheila well in high school. She was bright, vivacious and fun to be around. That this happened to her is more than terrible and that no one was ever caught is even worse.

  308. Veronica Lack says:

    Iowa’s White more Powerful Proud Boys, have killed, tortured, and lynched, to cover-up their on-going contamination of 1/2 million Iowans’ Source Water. According to the State of Iowa and IDNR’s Russ Tell’s 2008 mapped out on-going “Plume of contamination” in the Cedar Valley Group Aquifers, this contamination continues to spread throughout 8 Iowa Counties, on the “LEFT” side of Iowa.
    According to then Governor Branstad’s Attorney, Colon Smith, on about 2/2/2017 this Plume only affected the Bloom or Left side of Iowa, as if we were not important, or our water quality was of no value. Governor Branstad sent for two more Iowa Highway Patrolmen to escort me out of his office in our State Capital.
    This “Plume” of Point Source contamination starts in Cedar (W) Township Mitchell County Iowa’s Designated National Wetland’s Aquifer Recharge Area of Sinkholes. Kleckner/Branstad’s Flood drainage channels were built to channel run-off over roads and through farms, homes, small towns, and bigger cities by the Worth and Mitchell County Engineer, James Hyde, to drain 50,000 agricultural acres faster in parts of Worth, Cerro Gordo, and Mitchell Counties.
    Draining Ag nitrogen fertilizers, and long-lasting in-organic Arsenic chemicals (herbicides/pesticides) and E-Coli, Coliform, and Cyanobacteria and their deadly Cyanotoxins, along with heavy metals in Climate Changes increased floods, washing ponding water down into the drinking water source of Mitchell, Floyd, Butler, Bremer, Benton, Black Hawk, Lynn, and Johnson County Iowa unsuspecting residents.
    Support the Biden/Harris Administration’s reinstatement of access to EPA and NRCS data, so my son, Adam M. Lack’s “RUSLE3” equations can again limit Point Source contamination of our US groundwater or Aquifers. Veronica M. Lack

    • Veronica Lack says:

      Harris/Booker’s Anti-Lynching bill, would have made “Lynching a Federal Crime”.

      Their Bill should have been passed long ago, maybe there would not have been a need for George Floyd’s Minneapolis Memorial Service, or my son’s too.

      Republican’s senator’s waited until Harris/Booker were to fly to attend George Floyd’s MN Memorial. Our Republican controlled Senate, pulled this bill out of his pile of about 400 good House passed Bills, and Republican Senators smeared and bad mouthed this bill with lies, as both Harris and Booker hurried to come back from the airport to speak in its defense. Republican’s Speaker Mitch McConnell had held it in the pile backlogged, until he knew they were going to be attending George Floyd’s Service. In a blink of Republican lies, Republican Senator’s voted it down.

      I’m just one of the 1,000 of mothers, still alive, waiting for JUSTICE, for our sons and daughters lives. Adam was tortured, killed or lynched and his death is still used to threaten others less powerful than the White, Powerful, Proud Boy, Legislators, Governors, and Conglomerate Corporations that still benefit/profit from Adam’s death. There has been no investigation of Adam’s lynching yet 13 years after Judge Bryan H. McKinley and Dean Kleckner’s Contractors are pictured controlling the Scene, while Adam is being tortured and killed.

  309. Veronica M. Lack says:

    Iowa Highway Patrolman, Graham Palas’ photo’s still haunt me as Judge Bryan H. McKinley and Dean Kleckner’s Mayer’s Digging Company contractors stand by joking about 8-9 hours after Adam had chased away Bradley Johnson and Brody Mitchell from my farm home on the night of 7/12/2008. Judge Bryan H. McKinley looks to be directing the scene and Kleckner’s contractors look like they are celebrating the fact that they are refusing aide to Adam still trapped. Adam’s Mom, Veronica Lack

  310. Vincent Oelkers says:

    Better picture?

  311. Ron Dobroth says:

    The “neighbor and his child” shown in the photo above with Ashley, is my Grandfather, Albert Dumpman, holding my Mom.

  312. Trevor says:

    This case keeps me up at night. So many things don’t add up.

  313. Susy Ketchum says:

    Has anyone ever checked the Doe Network for Johnny Gosch or Jody Huisentruitt? I saw a man from Oregon that looked a lot like an older Johnny.

  314. 1026 says:

    Please see ChampionforLaura website and facebook. New $10K reward for information. True information from Law Enforcement.

  315. Rowdy Bolinger says:

    I had no idea we have unsolved murders in Creston, Iowa.

  316. CA says:

    The brothers have grown to be the finest young men I know. I am extremely proud of both of them.

  317. thedeathstormer says:

    My condolences to the family. I hope that you will find closure soon

  318. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I searched Mr. William Lee Halterman, born in 1959, on Ancestry.com. I found that he had connections to two different residences in Vicksburg, Mississippi. One of them is 430 Roy Young Road, which lists a Bonita Halterman, William L. Halterman (61) as homeowners and a Vernon Halterman.

    Also, an address at 380 Roy Young Road, which appears to be a manufactured mobile home of some sort, which was built in 1997.

    Also, he had an address of 1533 Iowa Avenue, in Chariton, Iowa. It is identified as a two bedroom house, with a detached garage. I noticed that there is West Lake in Chariton. A nice place to dump a car.

    It seems that he may have lived in Waterloo, Iowa.

    It also appears that he was born in L.A. County.

    • Jessica says:

      I am fairly certain Lee is not William’s middle name.

      • Lashanda J Colon-Martinez says:

        Lee is his middle name. This is Bethann’s daughter I can confirm some things.

        • Jessica says:

          Lashanda…. is your email address still the same as mentioned below? I would love for his middle name to be Lee as you stated; sadly, I am certain it is not.

          • Lashanda Martinez says:

            Yes my email is still the same

          • Lashanda J Colon-Martinez says:

            That is his middle name. Now I’m not saying the man that Patrick researched is the guy but Lee is his middle name. I know this for a fact. It’s not even an argument point. I know the name of the man that was intimately in my life. However with that being said why are you so convinced that it’s not? What has you believing that it isn’t even though the victim’s child is confirming that it is in fact Lee.

    • Jessica says:

      All of the information you posted is incorrect Patrick. He’s born and raised in Warren County, Iowa. Her car was never dumped (in a lake), it’s my understanding it was traded in. But I assure you Patrick, that is the wrong William.

      • Patrick Kerrigan says:

        Jessica, If you check Shane brought up a reference to Mississippi. Also, the guy I searched had connections to Iowa.

        Also, the fact that I mentioned the lake, was an observation
        There are a number of missing persons who have been found along with their vehicles have been found in lakes, ponds and other bodies of water.

        • Jessica says:

          I completely understand how you connected the dots; however, after a podcast done in Des Moines that has Beth’s daughter, Shanda, as well as Sgt Paul Parizek giving details of Bill, where they both were employed, what happened to her Prism, etc. I can tell you with 100% certainty that William Lee Halterman, isn’t the correct William.

  319. Elishia Ebel-Reese says:

    Would like to know the name of the person that reported it. why that during their Gathering of evidence and going over that they were able to determine that he was only hit once but so incompetent that they couldn’t even take multiple swabs for comparison. So was it incompetence or evidence tampering that caused the swabs to be useless? And if it was evidence tampering was it before or after police got there

  320. anon says:

    And Alvernia Beets died this year, also. Her obit mentions that James Junior Browning (her son) predeceased her. All of the likely psychopathic perps are now dead, except for Wendell’s psychopathic, homicidal, sex offending, son Tony.

    https://www.thegazette.com/obituaries/alvernia-franklin/

    • anon says:

      I meant that Tony was Colbert’s son, not Wendell’s son.

    • To whom it may concern says:

      You don’t know what you are talking about because for 1 Alvernia Franklin was a great woman that had no involvement in anything any lived a full blessed life! Unlike your scary self hiding to be anonymous thinking you know something you don’t know anything about! Since you so about trying to put false allegations out here be bold and put that name out here as well!

      • anon says:

        I’ll not put my name out here because although the psychopaths of that generation are gone, there are still certain psychopath descendants and I don’t want to be the next missing person murdered by a member of the Beets clan.

        So just what is a false allegation on here?

        Alvernia’s son was James Junior Browning. That is indisputable. He was clearly a psychopath based upon the number, versatility, and violence of his criminal convictions. Are you saying that the newspapers made these things up? Did the police, the courts, the juries, the newspapers, and everyone collude? Of course not. James Junior Browning committed these acts. James Junior Browning — Alvernia’s son — sexually violated a number of girls in the 1960’s. Alvernia’s son also was a convicted thief, extortionist, batterer, and forger. Purse-snatching, car theft, theft of marble chips, you name it, are the diverse types of theft alone that Alvernia’s son James Junior Browning perpetrated. Alvernia’s son threatened to kill a woman he had beaten. James Junior Browning was a one-man crime wave.

        And just like Alvernia’s son James Junior Browning committed the crimes that have been reported in newspaper articles over the years that have been reproduced here, various of Alvernia’s siblings have committed terrible crimes, such as Alvernia’s brother sex offender Wendell Beets committing a sex offense against a young lady who was a member of his congregation, or Alvernia’s brother Alvin Roland Beets committing murder and other crimes. Both Wendell’s and Alvin’s criminal convictions are part of the reported jurisprudence of this nation. Their criminal appeals have been published in state law reporters. Those convictions, and the facts behind them, are undeniable.

        Various of the children, and grandchildren, of Alvernia’s siblings have committed terrible crimes as have been partially detailed in this page.There criminal records, as detailed in the newspapers of this state, speak for themselves. Heck, Tony Lee Beets, the son of Colbert L. Beets, and Alvernia’s nephew, attempted to rape a woman at knife-point.

        Moving on, the former Cedar Rapids police chief publicly stated that Alvernia knew exactly what happened to Paula Oberbroeckling. How can you possibly deny this?

        Yet you have the audacity to claim that these are false allegations and that I don’t know what I’m talking about. What a hoot! I have spent hundreds of hours of my life looking into the Beets family, mostly because of this case, but also because it is a very interesting study into a case of presumptive genetic psychopathy.

        We know that psychopathy is largely genetic. Certainly, it is necessary for childhood abuse and/or neglect to really set it off and create violent people. But we know that it is largely genetic.

        Given the number of crimes that the siblings, nieces and nephews, and grandnieces and nephews, of Alvernia committed, and given the extreme violent nature of those crimes, including sexual violence, I think that it’s safe to say that there is significant genetic psychopathy in the family, and that many of the children were abused behind closed doors (or, for that matter, in the presence of family members who covered up for the adult perps.).

        Don’t be a gaslighter. Don’t be a false denier. Don’t be a liar. Don’t be an apologist. Don’t be an enabler.

        Instead, embrace truth, science, and reason.

  321. anon says:

    Wendell Beets has now died. Now the only brother left is Colbert. https://www.murdochfuneralhome.com/obituaries/Wendell-Beets/#!/Obituary

    • anon says:

      Also, that obituary is misleading, and contains at least one serious outright lie. The family continues to enable.

  322. Mary Maki says:

    Can they get DNA off her clothes the sheriff said he kept?

  323. LakeLife says:

    They should test the DNA of these two children.
    If they match then it had to be someone who had access to the shredder at the facility & could access it without anyone really seeing them.
    What kind of evil monster would out a baby through a shredder?!
    I hope they catch this evil person one day!
    I pray they do!!

  324. LakeLife says:

    Praying this gets solved!
    He was just walking down the street!!

  325. Jean says:

    The Des Moines Register reported in Feb. 2021 that foul play was not suspected. I can say as a resident of Franklin County that Ethan was brought hime after being identified and his family quietly interred his remains and not a peep has been heard since. I think he was either high or drunk or both and accidentally drove into the water and everyone is too ashamed to admit it.

    • Daren says:

      Respect the deceased please ! No one knows what happened, so to say he was drunk or high is just hear say. Less there is concrete evidence then
      no point guessing.

      • Dee says:

        I honestly think that there were underage drinking kids and someone did see something and no one had the guts to try and save him or say anything because they were all parting to much and did not want to get caught and go to jail, and by it sitting in water for 7 years all evidence will be gone, BESIDES they said his body was in the back seat hmmm does that not ring suspicion here. and yes I am respecting Ethan because in really why has this not been thought of by someone it’s the only logical explanation of why was he in the backseat and all windows were up…

        • Jim says:

          Bodies are found in the back seat most often because the heaviest part of your car is the engine and most waterways have an incline to their depth. It’s only logical the engine would sink furthest due to weight and be in deeper than the rear because that would be the direction the car would normally be going.
          Now since the car is pointing down at this incline the body wil float to the highest point (the rear roof) until all the gasses are realeased and it gradually floats down.
          Of course if they are strapped in and/or going backwards this wouldn’t apply.

    • George says:

      I’m telling you after putting some pieces together, actions of police, and investigators. I really think they didn’t want the evidence or the victim to be found. I feel that this is a real cover up. He was working on computers and data. Can you imagine the information he may have had access to. Something very fishy here. It could have been an individual foul play or a conspiracy piece of the pie. In today’s political war and things going on right now that are getting crazy, I seriously would consider a conspiracy plot. The body language of the police chief and others was not favorable. Actions speak louder than words. Someone or some people didn’t want Ethan to be found .

      • Scott says:

        The car was intact with a full windshield when the Adventures with Purpose crew found it. After being forced off the property for a day, they were allowed back onto the property just as it was being pulled out of the water. The windshield somehow was mysteriously missing when it emerged from the water, leading me to believe that it had been popped to remove evidence (of an inside job I assume). The body was located in the back seat which rules out the theory of Ethan accidentally driving into the pond. I also think this may have been a cover up, considering that the sheriff told Adventures with Purpose that the pond had already been searched by the county and basically inferred that it would be a waste of time to search again. All of the secrecy and suspicious activity by the authorities in this case has me wondering what really happened. Something doesn’t seem right. Then, after his body was found and identified, there was a quick declaration of ‘no foul play suspected’ and then silence. How can foul play not be suspected when he was found in the back seat?

        • Belinda L says:

          True .. why else would he be in the back seat and if he was leaving to go home First instinct when you’re leaving to go somewhere you start your car put your seatbelt on in the net seatbelt I may be wrong but I’m not the only one thinking it

          • doofy says:

            according to the people who found him, most people who are not wearing seat belts tend to end up in the back of the car. i dont know if their body floats back there or he tried to get out as the car was filling and went to the back seat. its just sad though it took that long to find him

        • Andre says:

          In their video you can see that the windshield was broken when they found the car under water. They just didnt show it. So it’s not correct that it was mysteriously missing.

        • Jo moran says:

          The crew of AWP said that sometimes bodies are found in the back when they don’t have a seat belt on.

        • Dee says:

          That is exactly what I am saying I watched Jared clear that car all windows were in tack none broken not one than they refused to let AWP back there and the front window is out Ethan in the backseat maybe one of the cops kids murdered him that night and now he is being protected. its bull crap besides the police were crappy to AWP because they did the job better then their own county 7 years ago.. I just wished I knew if this was ever completely solved after everything was done or is this an still ongoing investigation. I know how these things go with them hiding evidence.

          • Dan says:

            Watch it again. As soon as they swim up on the car you can see for a brief second that the windshield was missing when they found it.

      • Dee says:

        Something is up for sure George.

  326. Dan 24:00 says:

    Try OR plates 035 GGY

  327. Glenda Gottstine says:

    I have seen Johnny’s photo so many time and now to know the circumstances, I’m very interested in him being found.
    Please do not say hurtful things about his mom. No one can imagine what she’s been through unless you were in her shoes.
    For her sake, I will pray for answers.

    • Truth says:

      Noreen has viciously and falsely accused people of kidnapping Johnny just because they made her mad. That includes her ex, the police chief, a journalist, and even a private eye who all tried to help find Johnny. Sorry, but her victim card is wearing thin after all the crazy nastiness she has shown to others.

      • George K says:

        Pretty much all of those people who you mention made themselves a suspect in the kidnapping by their own actions:

        * Noreen’s ex-husband Leonard John Gosch lied about numerous aspects of the case and his own involvement, and was accused by several witnesses of involvement in the Franklin network: http://cavdef.org/w/index.php?title=Johnny_Gosch_abduction#Father.27s_involvement

        * The police chief Orval Cooney supervised an abysmal investigation that failed to even acknowledge Johnny had been kidnapped, was involved in prior misconduct such as police brutality and fixing an investigation for his son (https://www.newspapers.com/clip/19551322/speaking_out_p1/), and shoplifted “blank videotapes” and “screw hooks” (why?) from a Target store after his resignation as chief (https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27064185/orval_cooney_shoplifting/)

        * The “private eye” Sam Soda lied about the Gosches hiring him when he actually inserted himself into the investigation without their prompting. He had connections to the Mafia, and was able to both acquire and show child pornography in public yet face no consequences; Ron Wheeler, the first assistant Polk County attorney who let Sam off the hook, later went into private practice and defended Sam on charges of beating his teenage stepson (https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27525831/the_des_moines_register/). Sam told several lies on Faded Out, including the aforementioned falsehood about the Gosches hiring him and claiming Mary Bock was in the room with him during his Frank Sykora interrogation despite Bock herself telling Faded Out that she wasn’t; he also rather suspiciously tried to get Sarah to stop looking into Yellow Bag’s theory of Johnny being targeted by pedophiles at the Des Moines Register. And the Gosch family’s own suspicion of Sam was shared by both Noreen and LJG at the time (https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34484387/gosches_ltte_sam_soda/), despite what LJG tries to claim now.

        Not sure what “journalist” you’re referring to, but given that everyone else you mentioned was justifiably suspect in Noreen’s eyes, I have a feeling that they were as well.

      • None says:

        Another Des Moines good ol’ boys club member? It’s no wonder crimes of this nature go unsolved in those places- no one has the guts or open mind to see the plain truth because it is too scary for them to believe evil walks among us as mild mannered plain looking folks. Or they know the truth and don’t want it coming out.

    • Dan says:

      Well said. I dont know what i believe but i’d never say anything about a missing kid’s parent.

  328. Kelly S. says:

    Any way these could be the work of Ted Bundy? His victims were often around college campuses.

  329. Jan Farley says:

    This case should be investigated…. ! It’s a cover up for sure!

  330. RIP Kimmie my sister Kim I miss you soo much Happy bday in heaven today.Tell Mom,Dad,Steven,Michael,and little Larry the second we miss you guys every second! Love your sister,Terrie(nickname) I wish you would have met your niece Natalia,and my husband Monte I love you 😘 Love Always and forever your sister Teresa

  331. LakeLife says:

    It’s clearly the wife. He caught her naked in bed with the guy & was shot & killed.
    Probably by the guy but she clearly wasn’t “scared” of him because she was seen talking to him in that shirt the police found in her apartment.
    She was ALL about that money when he died too so clearly it was all about the money & being with another guy for her.

  332. Sherri Harvell says:

    He was given 10+5 for rape and murder and he’ll probably only serve part of it,why? they had him cold,DNA last person with her,I’m so sickened,a habitual criminal with very little job history, just watch,he will kill someone else,her little girl has no mother.

  333. Outlandish D'amour says:

    The FBI and my local PD have been given all the info placed on this site and more. WH.gov has been contacted as well. Cybercrimes?

  334. Michael David Rogers says:

    Mr.Body,I’ve turned your info over to the local police and the Iowa cold case folks. I’m hoping your tracked down aand prosecuted, you will be caught, your actions are psychopathic and will be looked @. You are traceable, have a great day, and if I were you, better lawyer up, your going to need one. We don’t say this BULLSHIT here in the great state of Texas, ol and the FBI is informed as well

  335. seth says:

    you should contact adventures with purpose for the missing people they could help you search the rivers

  336. LakeLife says:

    Two of the perpetrators died, where is the third one?
    We’re is daily??
    Is he still alive?!

  337. L says:

    This whole situation sounds sooo shady!
    It sounds like a cover up.
    This poor girl was kidnapped & possibly raped.
    Then they murdered her by beating her to death, then claimed she “died” in a random car accident…that never happened.
    THEN her parents who were trying to get justice for their daughter end up “mysteriously” dead in a fire, however no one can explain how the fire got started.

  338. LakeLife says:

    Praying this gets solved.
    He was just trying to work for his family & provide & his life is cut short for what?!
    What did they even get?!
    God will judge them.

  339. LakeLife says:

    He didn’t do anything to anyone & still someone must have thought there was money in that apartment to be breaking in left & right.
    I pray that the murderer is caught & if he isn’t punished in this life time he will be in the next!

  340. LakeLife says:

    It doesn’t seem that there’s a lot of info on this case.
    It breaks my heart when it doesn’t list family.
    My heart goes out to this man.
    I feel like he was lone in the world.
    I wonder if he was an orphan.
    Praying they solve this one!

  341. LakeLife says:

    Praying they catch the person or persons who did this!
    I think the person or people who did this prepared for it since they got a rug & other items to try to conceal the body.

  342. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice for this poor women!
    They have DNA so why not test it?!!

  343. LakeLife says:

    Was the baby a boy or a girl?
    They can get a sample & use DNA to find out what happened.
    This poor little baby deserves justice & to just leave a baby is SICK.

  344. LakeLife says:

    I think it was someone from the VA!
    Someone who knew his nephew.
    He talked to people about how much money he had & they tracked him down & killed him.
    So sad!
    Praying for justice!

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      That begs the question of where did the phone call come from. Did Amos have a phone, and the offender wanted Amos to be found. However, we hear nothing was missing, and then the DCI suggests that robbery might have been a motive.

  345. LakeLife says:

    It was obviously him if they saw him leave her house RIGHT before the fire… the jury got it wrong.
    So sad!
    I wonder if he is still alive today.

  346. LakeLife says:

    Praying!

  347. LakeLife says:

    Praying to justice!

  348. LakeLife says:

    Praying they can arrest the man who did this!!
    Sick & evil to molest a child!!

  349. LakeLife says:

    Praying to justice!

  350. LakeLife says:

    Penny, praying with you!
    What an evil person!!

  351. LakeLife says:

    Maybe it was someone or a group of people that asked for e drink of water just to get into his house?
    Maybe that’s why he was killed in the kitchen?

  352. ashley says:

    this is fredricks sister ashley we are all worried sick about him and would like help to find him people lets all work together to find out stuff and if anyone knows anything please come forward with imfortmation i would like to know what happend and we need closer we arent asking for much

  353. Michael David Rogers says:

    Please get help , your humor is not needed on here. Maybe your the guilty one or have a guilty conscience???

  354. Linda Rivers says:

    Reading questions about how the father of Patricia Scott could have even been aware of Donna Sue while he was in town for only a week. My grandparents lived a couple of blocks from where this all happened and my dad and all of his siblings grew up in the neighborhood. Very strong Catholic community at St. Bonifice. Wouldn’t doubt that he could have attended church with the family while in town, possibly to find a small child, and saw her there. It would not have taken much to locate the family and scope out the house.

    • Dakota Kenney says:

      That is good information. I’m going to see if I can’t find any records of members at that time.

  355. Michael David Rogers says:

    If it was your biological Father you would take more seriously, I disagree with your comments.

  356. Dean Rhodes says:

    I have since looked at a bigger computer and my tablet has better views then the desk top. I hope they don’t brush this off because their not seeing it!

  357. Dean Rhodes says:

    After watching some of the adventures with a purpose, one show talked about a google maps find in Florida of a car in the water. Since I’ve heard of this story years ago sticking in my head I researched for any updates on Dale being found. Not not able to sleep I played around on google maps and looked up and down the river banks. I’ve boated that river for years and know some basics of the river flows. I spotted a red color. Spot on the screen up river from the Iowa side boat ramp but down street from the big Sioux inlet. I called in to the phone number listed and gave them the latitude and longitude numbers. The lady and I talked over the location but the views are tough to see and I don’t know if she was seeing what I saw. I took a photo of the better shot that I saw , but she didn’t seem to want to see it or have me send it to her, but I hope I’m wrong. I will share it with other authorities when I’m back home from the holidays and try a look on a better computer then my tablet!

  358. Andrew says:

    First i want to send my condolences to Micalla and her family along with Adam. Have they found out where the bullet came from exactly? I know it’s says more then likely someone shooting or hunting but this case kind of remains me of a case i saw the other day on unsolved mysteries about a woman who was shot but survived on a rural road in Connecticut in the late 1980s i know chances are slim but is it possible it could’ve been the same man? https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Brayman_Road_Attacker

  359. Dakota Kenney says:

    Basing information off of previous comments, a sibling of one of the people mentioned has a history of lascivious acts on children. Using old newspaper articles, I found at least 5 charges brought against him. Obviously just inferring here, but that behavior was learned somewhere.

  360. No Name says:

    Is it true that the those brother lived in Dubuque at the time? Maybe West 5th St?

  361. Lynea Cooper says:

    Miss you little brother. We will one day meet again. Rest in peace. Lynea

  362. T. Sherman says:

    If the murders were related to their sexual relationship, Pietism would have been examined and the hardcore Pietists would have been questioned and investigated. This could explain the beating about the head and face for their thought processes not fitting the self-righteous killer.

  363. Ken Westin says:

    How did they discover who killed Kaiden? Did Ms. Michael turn herself in or did they use cell phone records to find out who was using their phone at that time and place?

  364. Pat says:

    Even though this is a 59 year old case, consider that a 65 year old case was solved in 2021 through DNA technique. In 1956, Kenneth Gould murdered and raped Patricia Kalitzke. Gould, who was never considered during the murder investigation, died in 2007, and was cremated. However, his children volunteered DNA, and using a single sperm cell and genetic genealogy, the connection was made to Gould.

    In the case of Ramona Jean Cox, the following forensic evidence was gathered: 1) multiple hairs left by the murderer at the crime scene; 2) a t-shirt left by the murderer at the crime scene; 3) skin matter taken from under Ramona’s fingernails; 4) whatever biological material was gathered by rape examination. And, even if the DMPD lost the evidence inadvertently, the FBI may still have the hair and analysis work that they did.

  365. Pat says:

    I had to stop at Iowa Methodist Medical Center today, and after leaving, I drove over and parked in the east side parking of the Hoyt Sherman place. I walked from 680 15th Street down to the location where the 15th Street sidewalk met the Woodland sidewalk, back in 1962. From that location, I stepped off across Woodland, on a diagonal to where I was immediately in front of the location where 1526 Woodland stood back in 1962. Fifty steps, and figuring each step was an average of 3 feet, calculates to 150 feet. It was a shorter distance than I had remembered. I walked between 1530 Woodland, which still exists, and the west end of the apartment building next to it on the east. This is the pathway the murderer of Ramona Cox took that night back on April 29, 1962. The concrete walkway is no longer there, but a stone wall separates the properties. The landscaping behind is totally different. I walked east in what had been the alley to 15th Street, and over to the corner of 14th Street Place, where the grocery store had been in 1962. The whole route was dramatically shorter than what existed in my memory.

  366. Gramma says:

    Does seven bridges have a target shooting area? If so, gun enthusiasts should be looked at, in addition to hunters

    • MikeD says:

      It doesn’t have a dedicated area for target shooting, but it’s of note that the girls were discovered on the first day of deer hunting season. Seven Bridges is basically just a road that loops around the forrest nexts to a river. It’s not really a destination or a place anyone knows about except for locals.

  367. Denielle Kelly says:

    This story was an episode on The Swords and Scales Podcast. The story has always haunted my heart and head. Child Sex Trafficking is REAL and PROTECTED by the detail oriented system that runs this WORLD WIDE OPERATION. Usually involving and operated by people with power, money and fetishes. While being protected by fellow members in all areas applying to life. Ex: Police officers, Teachers, Lawyers, Government Employees, Child Protection Services, Hospitals, Doctors , Nurses, Dentist, Daycares, Nurse Practitioners, Non Profit Groups, Coaches, Truck Drivers, Domestic Violence Protection Shelters, Actors, Singers, Pilots, Captains, Army, Politicians and many other positions that are automatically respected and trusted by us Americans because that’s what we where raised to believe and never doubt. In this episode Eugenes mother repeatedly states that the detective and police officer’s didn’t make her feel heard, respected, taken seriously and was being questioned more then being answered. So much that she hired a Private Investigator. She continued her own hunt for answers even when she was continually shut down or even mocked by her possible theories, fears and overall mother’s intuition. She also states that after months/years of the investigation she had her own doubts and suspicions about Eugene’s father involvement and how the entire investigation was handled and cared for. The end of the podcast we learn that all of his mothers efforts finally paid off in a way she could never imagine. It was Eugene either going to see her or contacted her explaining that she had to stop looking for him. That he was involved in this huge operation that he has a certain role with power and that his mothers fight for him was endangering his life with his new “family” members. So much that he told her to please stop so that he would remain safe in his now normal everyday life. So she did what any mother would do to protect her son- she LISTENED and LET HIM GO. I encourage everyone to listen and hear the pain in this moms voice telling her story. Where do you think these boys that pretend to love girls and promise to give them a better life come from? They are kidnapped- trained and purposely chosen for what ever role they will become and then eventually train others to do. It’s very interesting to me that all missing children in Iowa are mainly Caucasians. In Illinois where I was raised it’s mainly African American girls and some boys. In California where I was born it’s mainly Hispanic women or young star eyed teens who believe that they can be made into a movie star model or living in poverty and promised a better life. I can stand rooted and calm saying all this because I believe in my heart this is our worlds BIGGEST problem. Coming from a woman who’s then 3 year-son was sexually abused and coached by his then 12 year old half brother to perform sex acts that I fortunately walked in on while he was having parenting time at his fathers. Also found strange Craigslist ads posted by my sons father that were in code that a lawyer once told me I needed to dig deep into the meaning and it’s hidden codes. Forensic exams, rape kits, intense therapy, orders of protection, court orders, DCFS involvement, a verbal statement made by my son to counselors, doctors, Dcfs, nurses and the detective who was assigned our case. Nobody listened except our therapist, who wanted to do anything she could to have this boy heard and protected- but had to be so careful as to how to have him heard, while having to jump hoops and hurdles to have the system work for him not against him. It’s not enough for a mother to witness it, report it, and then have her son explain in detail in a forensic exam to be told there was NOT ENOUGH evidence. That me constantly coming in 36+ times to report new information, disclosures, and overall fear of her sons safety was focused on more then the alarming fact that a 12 year old boy was sexually abusing and coaching a 3year old boy- While his father was home and present. In the suburbs of Chicago.I keep journals. I write down everything he wants to tell me- 2 years later geared around safety, structure and rebuilding has brought him to new level of realization and a higher state of concern that if what all my son says is true I’m so grateful I was able to listen, believe and react in a way that has given us a fresh, safe healthy start. However has me fearing for his future because this is an organized, detailed, system of checks and balances. If we don’t stand up, raise our voices, talk about what is uncomfortably true and real, and protect ALL CHILDREN’S LIVES! EVERY CHILD’S LIFE is a target for the dark side we live amongst. Hopefully my truth will open doors for others truth. Or the more information we can collect we can unite and fight.

  368. TB says:

    Steve peacock ran me over with a motorcycle when i was 4 years old. He broke both bones in my left leg. He was never charged or held accountable. He said i jumped in fr9nt of the motorcycle. When there is a 4 yr old on a path playing with dolls, you dont speed up! You stop! He Sped up! Somehow im not not dead.

  369. Shawn Harmon says:

    My father Dennis Ross Harmon was the killer of the Delphi girls give me a call at 502-965-3372 Dennis Ross Harmon was his name and my younger son Dylan

  370. Pat says:

    My best theory:
    The man in the living room at 7:30-7:45 pm, dressed like the murderer who fled at 11:00 pm, is the murderer.
    The man is an acquaintance of Cox, or she wouldn’t have let him in.
    He drops by, and promises not to stay long, since it was Sunday night, and the work week would soon begin. She lets him in and they chat briefly.
    He may have gotten aroused.
    He notices the open bedroom window, and plans a return to rape.
    He leaves the apartment before 8:00 pm.
    This accounts for Mrs. Grismore not hearing anyone with Cox, when she went to bed at 8:30 pm.
    This accounts for Cox getting into her pajamas, and curling her hair, since the visitor had left.
    This accounts for Cox not mentioning the man in her telephone talks with Norma Jean Higgins, at 7 pm and 8 pm, since the conversations focused on the dress she was making, and the man was only there briefly.
    He returns about 10:45 pm, in the same clothes he wore earlier.
    He parks his car parallel with or behind any car at 1526, as it is likely there was no parking space available.
    He does not park in the alley, as attention would be drawn to the vehicle, and it could result in an interruption if he was blockading anyone.
    He enters through the open bedroom window.
    He discovers the linoleum knife which Cox had brought into the apartment to use, and left in the bedroom.
    He decides he has to kill her since she could identify him.
    The mayhem begins, and he escapes to the back alley, and drives his car away.
    Because his car was parked close enables a quick getaway.
    This explains why the bloodhounds only track to the alley.

  371. Pat says:

    As my high school friend and I were talking with the clerk in the neighborhood grocery store, I seem to remember the clerk looking out the window behind him, on the east side of the building, and indicating he saw a shirtless man running by, north on 14th Street Place. We could see nothing from the customer side of the counter. The newspaper account on 04/30, indicates the police used bloodhounds for tracking, early Monday morning. Although nothing was reported by the newspaper regarding the results, since the escape route would be only hours old, it would be interesting to know what those bloodhounds detected.

  372. Shannon Hebert says:

    The above article states he was survived by one daughter? He has 3. No evidence to prosecute? Fragments of my father’s skull were found in James Burroughs boot!!! They had plenty of other proof to use to prosecute. I think there is a lot more to his murder.

    • LakeLife says:

      I’m so sorry for your loss!
      It sounds like his murderer has died now.
      God will judge that evil man!

  373. Pat says:

    According to the 05/04/62 Tribune, p. 9, Ramona had moved into 1526 Woodland in February. Thus, she had only lived there for 2 months by the time of the crime. It is likely she had moved from 930 Bancroft on the “near” south side, where the Aug 1961 Des Moines phone book lists her. Unless there had been an in between move. Not likely.

  374. Pat says:

    All times are approximate as reported in the newspaper:

    10:45 pm a woman’s scream is heard from 1526 Woodland;
    11:00 pm a man jumps from the bedroom window at 1526 Woodland;
    11:15 pm the police find Ramona Cox dead in her living room at 1526 Woodland.

    At about 10:55 pm my high school friend and I walk from his apartment at 680 15th to the corner of 15th and Woodland and turn east heading for the grocery store at 14th Street Place and Woodland. We couldn’t have known that across the street and three doors to the west, a murder-rape was taking place. We saw no one out that night except us. By the time we walk east and reach the point where we can see south on 15th Street, we see two guys in a car coming north towards us. They turn onto Woodland heading west and were in a hurry. I’m sure this was Charles R. and his friend who drove him back to 1530 Woodland, after looking for police. Charles enters 1530, and he and Sharen C. and Jackie P. come outside. The women are sitting in his car and Charles is standing next to it when a man jumps out the bedroom window at 1526, and flees south into the back alley and heads east to 15th Street, where he stops running to tuck his shirt in, under a street light, before resuming his escape. My friend and I are in the grocery store buying cigarettes and candy while this is taking place. At about 11:10 pm we see a police car speeding by east to west on Woodland with his light flashing, no siren. At this point we leave the store and walk back to the NW corner of 15th and Woodland. It wasn’t long before there were four squad cars. One of the officers walked over to us and asked what we were doing out at that time of night and we said we had gone to the grocery store. Then he asked us if we had seen any one out and about in the neighborhood, and we told him no. We asked what was going on, and he told us he couldn’t tell us. It was obvious the police were checking out the gray house at 1526 Woodland. We didn’t find out what was going on until the next morning when we saw the DM Register headline: “Woman, 25, Slain in Home”.

  375. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice.
    I wonder who knows she had those bonds on her?

  376. Pat says:

    Apparently, Jackie P. passed away in 2003, and Charles R. in 2018. Two of the three witnesses that saw the murderer jump from the bedroom window at 1526 Woodland, at approximately 11:00 pm on 04/29/1962.

  377. LakeLife says:

    So someone kept him in that barn & hurt him over the course of two days.
    Very sick!
    Praying for justice!!

  378. LakeLife says:

    This is so sad!
    He wrote in blood that the killer was black & older.
    He tried to describe the killer.
    Praying for justice!

  379. I'm staying Anonymous says:

    With a limited amount of information, the only person I saw on the Doe Network that could POSSIBLY be the un-id male is Daniel Jess Goldman. He is from Florida, however, but from the research I did the Mississippi goes through Florida and flows into the Missouri river. Obviously I’m not saying this is the for sure identification, just a POSSIBLE identity. It’s hard to know though with only having his skin tone.

    • Stay Strong! says:

      … and to think all this time I was under impression the Mississippi River flows North-to-South (like all but around 20 in the US) from MN and drains into the Gulf of Mexico, never coming anywhere near FL, and it’s the Missouri River that drains into the Mississippi River…

  380. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice for this poor old women!
    This makes me sick!!
    For no reason at all but just for money!!
    Nothing just evil!

  381. Penny L Lozon says:

    “Schuster said she’d learned Jane Doe wasn’t a match after she’d called NamUs. She said she also called the Waterloo Police Department, who told her they had a police report from September 6, 1983 that her sister had filed,” If Viola filed a police report in Waterloo on Sept 6, wouldn’t that mean she made it back to Iowa?

  382. Hernan Moreno says:

    Find out if Mason City has a Cold Case Unit and try contacting them. Prayers…

  383. anon says:

    A lot of people who were listed as missing on this page have been taken down. What happened to the kid with the surname Nissen?

    • Jody Ewing says:

      Anon, Brian Nissen’s case was removed from both the IDPS’s Missing Person Information Clearinghouse site, and his case also removed from NamUs, which means for whatever reason, they no longer consider him missing. I cull through our Missing page frequently, and when I see they’ve been removed from the other two sites (some don’t even make it to NamUs), then I remove them from ICC’s “Missing” page. A lot of our missing people don’t have personal case summary pages because there’s so little info about them online. The MPIC staff with the state are adding and deleting names from their database every day.

  384. LakeLife says:

    I wonder if it had something to do with local politics too since he was running.
    Maybe someone really thought he was a threat?
    This is so sad!
    Praying this gets solved so the family can finally have peace

  385. LakeLife says:

    I think they need to exhume the body & get better DNA from the bone marrow.
    Also, could they test the fetus as well?
    The leading cause of death for pregnant women is murder & many times it’s the baby’s father who doesn’t want the baby.
    It’s tragic & sick.
    Praying that they find the killer!

  386. Shelly Read says:

    How are government in Fort dodge iowa, can’t solve cases, locking up innocent, it’s a prejudice movement against the dead population!! They to busy taking money, not improving the community…!!! Living in mansion, pushing their authority in the wrong way in Iowa….

  387. Ron Munt says:

    does anyone know the address of wilbur millhouse?? (yes i know hes dead)

    • Roger says:

      Idk exact address but know exactly which one was his first house on the south side of maury past se23rd (I think it’s 23rd) drive by there often

  388. Shelly Read says:

    Angela Marie Altman, was this the lady that lived across the old faraway store, in a white house, her boyfriend/ husband told her he would be right back, she responded yes..!!

    • Shelly Read says:

      Mrs, Altman was alive when her boyfriend/ husband was walking toward the flats. I always wondered what happened to this case.?? He’s fully innocent…!!! I hope they find the real young boy that caused this tragic, a teenager.. ” under age individual “

  389. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice for this man!

  390. Tim says:

    rest in peace lisa

    • Tim says:

      I knew her a little bit when i was 7 and 8 (1976 and 1977).
      she was very nice and good to me and I would never believe she was a prostitute.
      If there was foul play involved then what does that mean with the other two friends named above “Jerri Lee Connelly” and “Patrice Waddell” as far as being related as that is pretty strange.
      they all new each other and within 4 months they all are dead.

      • Tim says:

        after more thinking i first new her at a different house by 12th street where i was even younger and the year was close to 1974

  391. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice!
    Hoping they can still use the DNA & get a conviction!
    Also, it would be very helpful to know who those two men where who left the restaurant around the time she was murdered

  392. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice!
    I can’t imagine coming home to find your husband dead.

  393. LakeLife says:

    It’s so odd that this case ties into the other case with Gary & his wife.
    Praying for justice!

  394. LakeLife says:

    What a senseless & evil thing!
    Why would anyone want to murder an old man?!
    Praying for justice!

  395. Charles Langgin says:

    Why does her dad say she is in Omaha NE

  396. LakeLife says:

    Praying for justice!

  397. Melanie Wood says:

    I thought name calling wasn’t tolerated.

  398. Melanie Wood says:

    There’s alot of abuse on this thread that needs to be removed.

  399. Jackie Raymond says:

    What would it take to open up this cold case. They need to go back and look at everything. Use the new equipment. I wish they would look into this. They have forgotten Lynn she needs justice. Very sad. And Kieth is over here enjoying life.
    Can we contact records and get the police report . I would like to get the police report in it.

  400. Melissa Huston says:

    Sorry if this has already been mentioned. Can they run or have they been running cars VIN numbers?

    • Russ Heiser says:

      said they did lol(scroll)

      • Russ Heiser says:

        Missing Report taken Harry and VEHICLE should ENTER VEHICLE VIN into National Crime Information Center Data Bank. Someone ATTEMPTS Reregister “BINGO per say
        Even on Reopened Case Should be DONE again. At Least make SURE proper VIN was Entered 1sr TIME. Good Question

  401. Melanie Wood says:

    Yes. Some of Noreen’s statements seem very far fetched. However the situation and the mental anguish and evil tricks played on her have pushed her over the edge. By no fault of her own. I have great sympathy for her. I can’t imagine the hell she has been througj.

    • George K says:

      I don’t think there’s any evidence that Noreen has been mentally unwell. Farfetched does not equal false, and what Noreen has said about Johnny’s case, as outlandish as it might seem to some people, is logically consistent and does check out. She has frequently explained the multitude of evidence backing up Paul Bonacci’s involvement in her son’s abduction, such as his knowledge of Johnny being photographed prior to the kidnapping, his awareness of a suspicious van being in the neighborhood that morning (which, funnily enough, Faded Out podcast witness Chris Birge inadvertently confirmed while trying to deny it; https://www.reddit.com/r/JohnnyGosch/comments/e948gx/chris_birge_and_the_sighting_of_a_van/ explains this more), and his identification of Sam Soda as a perpetrator when Sam had been suspected by the Gosches for years prior. More information about how much Noreen and Paul Bonacci’s versions of events actually check out can be found here: http://cavdef.org/w/index.php?title=Johnny_Gosch_abduction

      • Greg Caliper says:

        Then why hasn’t Bonacci been arrested. I read somewhere that he is doing well, has children.

        • George K says:

          That’s a question for the West Des Moines police to answer. With the volume of evidence backing up Paul Bonacci’s story, it’s inexcusable that they didn’t even interview him, instead deferring to perjury charges against him that the state of Nebraska *dropped*, and later relying on the recollection of unidentified family members a whole 10 years after the kidnapping to claim he couldn’t have been out-of-state when it happened. The WDM police hopped from excuse to excuse not to speak to Bonacci, as if they could afford to be picky in a case that had been cold for a decade.

          Were Bonacci’s story to finally be taken seriously by LE, though, it is unlikely he would be held as culpable, given his account that he was forced into assisting the kidnapping: both physically at gunpoint and mentally by being a victim of the Franklin ring nearly since birth.

  402. brian Zirtzman says:

    fake news

  403. Melanie Wood says:

    She was aquitted.

  404. Melanie Wood says:

    I don’t see a motive here. Very strange.

  405. matthewratliff65 says:

    they are letting them off agian and the state still wont let me talk to my kids i have had about enough of the shit i need help

  406. Melanie Wood says:

    Yeah. What are they doing to solve this?. DNA?. No mention of the sex or race of this baby. Not much to go on to get the peopke responsible. I’ll never understand going through all of the pregnancy to kill it and dump it. Stupid. They will pay.

  407. Melanie Wood says:

    Big man likes to kill animals. Evil SOB! guilty. Murderer. Takes a big man to shoot someone and animals that will kill you because you have a gun
    You’ll get yours on earth or after big man.

  408. Melanie Wood says:

    I think it was someone she knew. The dog is to be of note. I believe the “This” written was a statement that they were killed because of what they were doing. “This” is why they are dead. I just don’t think it was random. The overkill. Personal. The violence and murder weapon used. Very brutal. Like someone was very angry. It doesn’t appear robbery was a motive. No one chooses an axe or the like for a weapon for a robbery. No forced entry. No one heard anything which I do find strange.

    • Tammy Burkman says:

      I was Rose’s best friend. It could have been someone mad at her, but Roger is the one that was married. So, that in itself meant people , if they knew or found out would have been very angry. His wife’s family was a very strange, some evil bunch. I really think it was either done by the wife’s close family members. Or they paid someone to help. I hope that the DNA that was found can be used to do genealogy. That would bring us to the killer even if they are already deceased. I just need to know who, that will tell why. It has been going on 41 years, we just need the answers!

  409. Melanie Wood says:

    Evidence now. No. I am sure she smothered them. No marks. Looks like SIDS. MSBP wasn’t diagnosed then. Yes there was a mother finally caught after many babies died. They were all considered a genetic problem. But she killed the last one. Adopted. I can’t remember her name.

  410. Melanie Wood says:

    Being a prison was nearby has anyone searched released prisoners.

  411. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    Sue, I checked Floyd Cramer and came across a Find-A- Grave entry for him. It basically has the date he died 12/9/1960. It appears the Des Moines Police made no effort on his supposed murder.

    I use that term, since there is no mention that an autopsy was conducted to determine a cause of death for him.

  412. Melanie Wood says:

    This doesn’t fit the Gosch or Martin disappearances. First they were paperboys.Different circumstances. And I don’t believe Marc was the same person. And second they were never found. This guy apparently had no fear of that.

  413. Melanie Wood says:

    Heads up. Don’t trust the mods especially Trish on Webslueths. She spends donations on herself. From former members it is referred to as “Jonestown”. Trish goes to the Casino. She also splits the money with her mod pals.

  414. Melanie Wood says:

    Bundy. No. Bundy was never said or known to be in Iowa. Even at Bundy’s own admissions they would be looking at 3 digit victims in 6 States. Iowa was not one. Oregon, Washington, Utah, Colorado, Vermont and Florida. And none of the “Waverly” would have been on his escape to Florida. I’m really not sure the 3 are connected. Spaced that far A part?. Especially Valerie. I can see the last 2. But once serial killers get started they don’t have a 4 yr lapse. And usually killers kill in the same age range. Valerie was a child. I think it was someone she knew. But who?. Alot of people have motorcycles in cold weather states. The person was smart luring her away from the pool. No witnesses. Around alot of people that would notice anything strange. Perpetrator still alive?. It’s possible. But I think they are not. I also think this person went to prison for something. Just a feeling. So sad. I just turned 1 when she was murdered.

  415. Melanie Wood says:

    Pietro the father died in 2005 same year as the mother. Not the daughter, The victim.

  416. Melanie Wood says:

    With little information there is no hope for identification. Also I would bet they have discarded his remains by now.

  417. Melanie Wood says:

    There really is no information out there on this man. I certainly don’t think it was random. But no mention of any other suspect than the man they couldn’t tie to it. Where do You go from nowhere. To serve in WWII and then come back to be murdered how terrible. This is purely speculation. But for some reason I get the strong feeling it was,an argument over owing money. Friend or acquaintance. I also get the strong feeling this man was a hermit people wouldn’t really notice was gone.

  418. Melanie Wood says:

    So many suspects. I feel she will never get earthly justice. But whoever it was the person is evil beyond words. I find troubling the dog nor parents heard anything. As far as the dog that would lead me to believe it was someone the dog knew. I don’t believe the father had anything to do with it whatsoever. And it was stated he was finally cleared by DNA. That poor man. That made me cry. What this family had to go through. The way the public acted towards them. Shameful. I have seen that house now. Windows painted over. Creepy. It should be burned then leveled.

  419. Melanie Wood says:

    I think the man who got her pregnant murdered her. She told him and he killed her. Whether it was right when she told him or later meeting for an arrangement. People saying she was going somewhere else for an abortion. No. It wasn’t legal anywhere at the time. Alot of people missing or found murdered their cars are often found at airports. To make it appear they went somewhere from the perpetrator. When logs are checked for tickets for their names they never find they actually bought one.

  420. Greg Caliper says:

    I have not yet read or heard a peep from Johnny’s step brother or step sister. Why?

  421. Melanie Wood says:

    I find it very suspicious the ex boyfriend didn’t seem to be suspect. If not him I suspect the guy they found not guilty. But why?. He had the background of violence. And they let him out on day reease and at a hotel. Idiots.

  422. Melanie Wood says:

    Found in the back seat. Not intoxicated. In her driveway. I suspect someone followed her home and blitz attacked her and she was dragged in the back seat to be assaulted. Then killed eventhough no evidence was found to support that it majes sense. And the car set on fire to cover up the crime. It was successful.

  423. Jim says:

    Start with Richard Davis for one I believe I was standing in drive way that day and Richard Davis and two others did something with harry on his property the dorve the car to the shed across the road

    • Mark Milligan says:

      Jim, please reach out to me. I would like to speak with you in reference to this comment.

      • Russ Heiser says:

        Matk Mulligan

        Suffestion Only

        Break into Teams Since a Large GROUP if haven’t ALREADY

        Trd Team Example

        Research Hicory Grove Cemetary aka Pyramid Cemetary

        Any Caretakers 1984?
        Cemetary Plot Map Names
        Any Names Especially Civil war Vets Misplaced?
        May have Severak People Interested.

        Blue Team Old Albia and Avery Photo’s

        Mught be WHY Private Groups INFO that can VET a “Caller: with

        Example ONLY

      • Russ Heiser says:

        Mark

        Previous Comment to me. Said something to effect. Im working Jimmy Hoffa Case?

        No. Have not Delved INTO Hoffa

        Pyramids Close to Avery. was Secluded

        Research is Middle Nowhere Comments

        Grass instead FRESH DIrt

        Probally No Regular Visitors Probally to NOTICE Grave “Change ect

        If Headstone Sjift may be PC KE Cloder Look

        Could Obvious Bury Body on top Original occupent wrapped sheet no coffin.

        Why mentioned Caretaker(s) Questioned. UNUSUAL 1984 not enough to report.

        Nove Headstone Civik War era probally not NOTICED Excdept MAP

        ok Maybe Hoffa could have ASSUMED New Idenity.

      • Russ Heiser says:

        Mark Mulligan

        My OPION

        Common Law

        Meets Requiements of Lindberg Act

        and Modern BASED on Facts

        Might want to CONTACT Feds FBI

        1, InVoluntary Dissaperance

        2. No Phone Contact 36 Years Previous KNOWN To

        3, Known Large amounr Cash Reservist Check Poker Room.

        4 Car ALSO Vanished No Re-Registrtion KNOWN ro be WORKING ORDER

        5 No Fingerprints SHOWING LE(Jail) or JOB

        6 Declared DECEASED

        7 “Jims Statement” Tho Vauge Linked with above may be enough

        8 Harry NO MEBTION Suicide, “good mood”

        9 No Show Baseball Game Jul 1st 1984

        10 Various COMMENTS thru YEARS Not FOLLOWED UP ect

        “DESERTER” Dropped by Marines CID

        Talk to Feds? SEEMS May have INTEREST

        Interesting Reading

        Attnys Stimell’ Stimnel, and Roser KIDNAPPING

        The FBI-

        Who Probally Could NIP in BUD DEA or Drig Involment

  424. Leif says:

    Paragraph #6 ends with: “Pegram walked away a free man.” Yet the Des Moines Register reported on 24 May 91 that Pegram was convicted in the death of Maria Schuler. ~ https://www.newspapers.com/clip/35607202/the-des-moines-register/

  425. Anna says:

    Cecil was my best friend when I was in facility in Leon and I’m so pissed off that these people have gotten away with murdering him. All these years. I’ve never even been able to visit his grave idk where it’s at and I’ve moved all over the place. Please contact me annarebeccablack.1986@gmail.com especially if you’re his sister if you want to talk I’m here

  426. Jeff Frost says:

    To the person that is assuming that she went to the concert alone, she was at the concert with my female cousin. I vaguely recall speaking to both of them while at the concert.

  427. Jodi K Shondel says:

    I first hand seen how crystal behaved while at the hospital. How she claimed to not know CPR. It would have been different too say you didn’t do it because you was scared BUT that’s not what she said. Crystal also told my best friend it was ok if we lost dj because “we would have another little dj running around” who says that while your baby’s father is dying???? Crystal may have not killed him but she sure as h*ll didn’t save him. She knows a.lot more then she claims. Best believe I see karma playing out every time I see crystal.

  428. Joseph W Teske says:

    The car was not place in an impound it was placed in a garage where the murderers family member was able to taint the evidence their wass a boot print on the passenger door wonder if they got pics….and a gentlman reported seeing someone getting chaswd nd beat up

  429. Alisia myers says:

    Well 27 year’s ago still unsolved , sickening to me he is still free Scott Macy needs reinvestigated how bout another lie detector , DNA in her nails and hair and DNA all around her body did you test and study all that and the garbage bag found with her hair and salvia in it also finger tear Mark’s on it also , come on forensic technology solve my mother’s murder 🙏

    • Kathy Wallace says:

      Forensics will solve this. The case needs to keep being warmed up and followed and revisited every single year until that murderer is brought to justice . Prayers ❤️

      • Alisia myers says:

        I only can hope and pray Jesus will take the wheel and help the police catch Scott Macy , tweeker out on the east side because he is a meth head .

  430. Kim says:

    This discussion makes me sick to my stomach. I knew Pennye, and I believe she was murdered, not because she was black, but because she may have trusted the wrong guy. she spent her whole high school years being shy, and kept from everything. I remember she said she lived with her Grandma, and wasn’t allowed to wear make up, she would come to school each morning and put lipstick on first thing. I think she was finally enjoying some freedom, and someone took her life, I was at that school, none of ever knew or heard what actually happened to her, and if I did I would most definitely have told someone. I will remember this gal for the few memories I have of her, and not focus on how her life ended. I will always pray she is at peace, and I know someday someone will come forward, until then, I wont listen to anyone try and make her life a rumor of race.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      I was reviewing the cold case murder of Betty Ann Moore (12) of Robbins, Illinois, in my neck of the woods, on June 4, 1986. She was a young black girl, whose mother a nurse’s aid, was in the hospital.

      So,she normally stayed at her foster grandfather’s house. She supposedly did not want to go to school, because of her mother. Also, her father had died a few months before. She did not interact with the other kids in the neighborhood.

      She also wrote a short story for an English class in school. The story was titled “The Case of the Missing Body and Murder”. It was about a fictional rich woman, who everyone wanted dead. The fictional woman was named Betty Ann Moore.

      Betty Ann Moore was found naked and severely beaten close to the Cal-Sag Channel, not far from where she lived. Her foster grandfather assumed she got up and went to school. She was not home when they got up. She was reported missing when she did not return from school. In fact she never made it to school. This somehow sounds similar to Pennye’s case

    • Hi Kim,

      My name is Sarah Herriott, I have been attempting to gain traction on Pennye’s case, I would love to hear from you.

      If you are comfortable, please find me via Twitter @pennyes_cause

    • Tim whitehead says:

      I was in Pennyes class. She was very quiet,and she could sing. May she RIP

  431. Audrey E Haverkamp says:

    I remember when the fire that killed the Eberly children happened. I was 10 years old and went to school at New Market Comm. School. My little sister was in kindergarten and the oldest Eberly child, Larry, was in her grade. It was such a tragic fire and affected the whole community. So very awful and sad…

  432. Kaylin J says:

    Where can I get in touch with the family? I’ve written a poem inspired by this case and I’d like to share it with them.

  433. Jeremiah Baustian says:

    The Trail Went Cold just did in episode in March on this case. I guess her daughter has been very active on Reddit and with reaching out to podcasts to garner attention for her mom’s case.

  434. Denise Munoz says:

    I just wanted to say for some reason I was not mentioned. I am his oldest Denise. I truely pray they find who did this . To my sister and brothers.. I love you guys

  435. George Duggan says:

    Does anyone know whether there was any eminent domain actions taken for this parcel of land before the townhouses were built?

  436. Hines says:

    Please follow my Mothers fb page. (Who Killed Jamedia Hines)
    My family and I are seeking answers. Any questions, comments or concerns youmay have, please feel free to contact me personally. We just want justice! Thank you

  437. Excuses excuses says:

    This person is said to be Buried in a field that has lime in it….Southeast of Lakeside the junkyard… everybody in town knows the story including the police
    wonder if a single Bucket of dirt has ever been lifted or what excuse they would have to why not…..

    • Silence Hubbard says:

      Look at the time frame, there is no way he could be buried there unless someone kept the body in their home for months. The ground wouldve been frozen solid. Digging any kind of hole without large very noticable equipment would have been impossible and I highly doubt that anyone would damage heavy machinery to that. This is the first anyone has even proposed this idea that I know of. Seeing that I’m his son pretty sure that story would have atleast crossed my path at some point. I’d really like to know what happenend that night though. Lots of questions as to why he would vanish, leaving me to suffer the childhood I went through. His own family has barely spoke a word to me. Idk kind of messed up if you ask me. Ive only been able to piece together bits and pieces over the years and I have an idea of what happenend but without being able to talk to folks who knew him personally I’ve hit a dead end.

      • Curious says:

        Could you share what you have learned? what do you think happened?

        • Silence Hubbard says:

          It’s all hypothetical, but I think he was tied into the drug smuggling that was going on in the Ohio fish market. He probably stuck his nose where it didnt belong or did some one dirty. The stories I’ve heard all have 1 thing in common and its that drug ring at the fish market. Story goes he was helping smuggle the drugs out, the night he disappeared he was supposedly going with his best friend. I was never tolf the friends name just that this friend committed suicide shortly after. From what Ive been able to gather this is the most likely scenario. His body was either crushed in a car or dumped in the river. Everyone that knows the truth of the matter is either dead or will never talk due to their standing in society. Its a lost cause honestly. He shouldve been pronounced deceased years ago.

  438. Elizabeth says:

    Has there ever been a book about the murders in Ottumwa?

  439. Anna Sayre says:

    SOMEONE SHOULD LOOK AT JAMES BRIAN CHADWELL

  440. Mike says:

    Look into James Brian Chadwell the II from Lafayette area. He loved the woods and bridges, fishing and was a semi driver. He is now suspect for Delphi murders.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      Mike, he sounds like a good candidate. However, investigators would have to be able to place him the area. Also, would he have knowledge of the area. Everyone thinks all they need is DNA. But, it is one piece of the pie

      • Tom Neulieb says:

        A friend gave me this. They sent it to the cops: No response.
        This is regarding the disappearance of Lyric and Elizabeth, the victims of a double homicide in Evansdale, Iowa. I know you have a wealth of information regarding the case, so I will not be redundant. I know you have interviewed “all the usual suspects,” including those named in the Dephi murders, etc. You may have interviewed the gentleman I am addressing here. However, I hope you will revisit your information about him, even though he is deceased, because a lot of evidence points to him.
        Many of my friends and I often engage in conversations about local crimes, cold cases, and unsolved murders. One of my friends is from Evansdale and knew the two missing girls. She spoke of them often. She has a large family in that area and they spend a lot of time in bars, fraternal organization, and so forth. As in all small towns, everyone knows everyone and the girls and their families, and the murders were the topic of conversations for some time in all the places she hung out. They do mingle in the same places as the girl’s families and are personally acquainted with some of the family members, as well as with law enforcement officers. My friend’s ex husband has a number of employees, he once had a public works position in XXXXXXXX and most of her family now works at XXXXXXXX.
        They all remain in the Evansdale/Independence area. Through the years she has often suggested we take a tour of Evansdale so she could show me Meyer’s Lake, Angel’s Park, and where the girls lived and so forth.
        Some of this is simple speculation, but I hope you understand why I am drawing some inferences that I draw. We always talk about local creeps and crimes and she began the “tour” by pointing out a house where an awful person lived, not the suspect, but inferences could be drawn by some psychologists, sociologists, and criminologists if they are related because they have the same name. Many years ago the man that lived there kidnapped and killed a small child. The whole town was looking for her, yet she was already deceased in his attic. He told the creepy stories about how she “liked sitting on his lap” and that she “wanted him.” “She was really cute,” he told the reporter. “I loved her probably as much as her parents did.”
        The 1974 Courier article goes on to say that R. Fitz, the creepy perp, had actually joked with the child’s father about abducting the girl. “She’s so cute; I’d like to kidnap her,” the article quotes R. Fitz as saying. He was 27, she was 2.
        As XXXXX is telling me this story, she burst into tears. This perpetrator just died in prison and she and her family were discussing his obituary. He was 71, so he had been in prison for approximately 44 years. My friend said that her grown daughter came over and burst into tears and shared that R. Fitz had tried to molest her when she was a child. My friend’s family lived near the Fitz’s and several times he had tried to get her children to come over or go for rides, etc. Her daughter is still very naïve and even now doesn’t grasp the ramifications of some of these acts. Her daughter said R. Fitz attempted to get her to “kiss his …..,” but more alarming, his wife was there and she laughed and said, “Russell, put that thing away” and made some comment that he needed to quit doing that stuff.
        Here is where you may feel I am off track or speculating. I have been unable to find out if my suspect, Chad Fitz is related to Russell Fitz. But in my experience, families may share some behaviors, learned or otherwise. Here are just a couple of charges Chad Fitz has had in the past. If they are related, a lot of this occurs in the same families as a learned behavior. Both are deceased now, but Chad should be considered a suspect anyway. DNA could still be obtained from all involved as well as using genetic genealogy DNA.

        Chad was convicted with:
        LASCIVIOUS ACTS W/CHILD-INFLICT PAIN OR DISCOMFORT (FELD)

        KIDNAPPING 1ST DEGREE – 1978 (FELA)

        To the investigators: I am sure you must know these things, but you should talk to XXXXXX. She showed me where Chad Fitz’s mom or grandma lived, right by Meyer’s Lake. Within yards! That’s where he stayed or lived with his mom or grandmother and the girls rode their bikes right past his house on Gilbert Street and all around there. XXXXX told me about his car being crushed (I found he had a white PU at the time, maybe his, maybe the person’s he lived with, he/they may have others, but this was at least one of them.) So now he leaves that Evansdale house after the murders and moves in with grandma (or mom) AGAIN, now in Readlyn, near the reserve! A straight shot as it were, across the county. The woman he lived with was first in Evansdale, the moves out to Readlyn. The address there is very close to the wildlife area. In my opinion, if you follow criminal profiling, I don’t see he could possibility be eliminated!!! Look at those two charges! Here are bits of my conversations with XXXXX. Just have her take you on a tour and talk with her and her family and keep it confidential. Talk to the car crusher. They said the car/truck stunk when they got it. XXXXX and her relatives know all these people personally and no one ever asked them anything,
        You sent December 7, 2020 to XXXXXXX.
        Chad Fitz has a huge record yet no obit anywhere online… just a short death notice in Waterloo Courier. Died at U of I Hospital? Hardly anything about him. That would be the two house addresses. One is on Gilbert in Evansdale and one on a farm or house in Readlyn. This creep has an old kidnappings charge and a charge with LASCIVIOUS ACTS W/CHILD-INFLICT PAIN OR DISCOMFORT (FELD) and KIDNAPPING 1ST DEGREE – 1978 (FELA). Seems so logical that he could be involved. He loved the outdoors too and spent time right there at the reserve. He has lots of meth charges too. Don’t say anything to anyone except find out what he drove from those people, if it really stunk, why they didn’t call the PD, if they really crushed it, etc. Locals in a bar/club who knew the girls and their families talked about this and never did anything??????? WTH?

        12/7/20, 5:39 PM
        You sent December 7, 2020
        Check this out. “Best address match” on Been Verified is 2568 Independence Ave Evansdale, IA 50707. Dates seen March 2005. Other is “Higher Confidence” 2848 270th St Readlyn, IA 50668
        You sent December 7, 2020
        OMG he lived 16 minutes or 6 miles from the Seven Bridges park SIX MINUTES!!! SIX MILES!

        XXXXXXX sent December 7, 2020
        Also at the time the girls disappeared he lived on Gilbert Drive
        You sent December 7, 2020
        I know, that is what I have been asking you. You said it was his mom’s or grandma’s house. I thought it was the house we drove by right by the lake. I thought you said that was Gilbert Drive in Evansdale. That is why I need that address and if his grandma or mom lived there. Didn’t you say Gilbert in Evansdale? That is the only missing link. That and what kind of vehicle he had, where it went and why.
        You sent December 7, 2020
        What is Rydell? How do you know he bought it there? Where did it end up where you said it smelled?

        XXXXXXX sent December 7, 2020
        Gilbert Drive in Evansdale and it was his mom he lived with. I don’t know what model his car was just that it was at the crushers but someone smelled a rotten odor but it was cleared by fbi
        XXXXX sent December 7, 2020
        He was cleared
        XXXXXX sent December 7, 2020
        Now he is dead

        December 7, 2020
        I know but I am not convinced. Maybe the FBI didn’t have enough information. I see Rydell is a dealer in Waterloo where he got the car. Easy to get VIN, get crusher’s records, date, etc. I am driving to Evansdale to get the house numbers in that block because I cannot figure out his mom’s name. I am sure it’s not Fitz. So do you know the name of the crusher and how did he Fitz die? Do you recall where you learned all of this? I also wonder, since he had so many meth/drug busts if that is related? There is too much here for the FBI to clear him. They could not have known all of this.

        XXXXXX sent December 7, 2020
        I don’t know her name I will be in Evansdale Wednesday
        You sent December 7, 2020
        Ok, do you think you can catch that house number? I may drive up and look at all that other stuff next week.

        XXXX sent December 7, 2020
        I see it was on the news and in the paper back when Fitz just died this spring. They can get his mom’s DNA, grandma’s DNA, and from other relatives. They have the girl’s DNA I am sure and if the did a good investigation they kept personal items of the girls. His DNA can be on them and their bodies. They can exhume all three of them. And just what ARE they doing with any DNA they have?

  441. Larry L Kofoed says:

    To this day it bothers me, I was the last busboy to leave that Monday night and was never questioned by anyone if I had seen anything out of the normal. I knew John and Paul was my boss and I found out about the shooting the next day when I went through the lunch line at high school.

    • Tina Fintel says:

      Hi Larry! I’m Tina, Paul Rayer’s granddaughter. I can’t believe they didn’t ask you any questions. Wow! The whole thing has bothered me as well. So frustrating, and sad. Wish I could’ve had the time with him😢.

  442. Jodi shondel says:

    I can’t help but think that this girl and my aunt’s deaths are connected. My aunt shelia harrison age 20 was found dead face down on a road in 1968 in webster county the man she was with was a sales man from ames.

    • Sydney says:

      Hi Jodi,
      My name is Sydney Novak and I am a student journalist working on an investigative project at Iowa State University. I would love to hear any insight you have about your aunts case. I think any insight you have would be really impactful for my project and I would appreciate it so much.

  443. Annie says:

    Jody, do you know if anyone ever looked at the possibility of Roger’s case being connected to the disappearances of John Gosch, Eugene Martin, and/or Marc Wilson?

  444. CoverUp? says:

    Why is the Shirley Carter link down? Her case is definitely not solved and the page should be up.

  445. carolkean says:

    Former pro boxer says he knew his longtime friend killed James Booher —
    Robert Bleakley testifies at trial of Matthew Robbins in Cedar Rapids
    By: Trish Mehaffey Apr. 22, 2021

    …..Bleakley admitted he had lied to a grand jury hearing evidence in Booher’s slaying because Robbins had told him he’d be in “a lot of trouble” if he told what he knew. Bleakley said he and Robbins had been friends for more than 30 years. He didn’t want to testify at Robbins’ trial but he did because it has been “horrible” living with what he knew for seven years. Andrew Shaw also testified Robbins admitted to killing Booher while they both were housed in the Iowa County Jail in Marengo.

    Shaw said he told Robbins he knew what had happened to Booher but that Robbins at first denied it.

    Later, when they were watching a television news report on Booher, Robbins said, “Yeah, I did it, but you already know the truth.”

    Shaw was convicted last year of running a large marijuana trafficking ring that supplied marijuana to Chris Bagley and the two men charged with killing Bagley over drug robberies from Shaw.

    Comments: (319) 398-8318; trish.mehaffey@thegazette.comhttps://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/former-pro-boxer-says-he-knew-his-long-time-friend-killed-james-booher/

  446. Angie says:

    Lost site of him for less of a min, between 3 and 4? Maybe he ventured off into the countryside by Alton. Hopefully the police checked there to. ❤️

  447. peter mayr says:

    HOLLY GOTZ ?? serious ?? Holy Gods is making a very silly but simple joke I would say ..

    • Holly Gotz says:

      No jokes here. I reported to the Dubuque Police who I believe is the assailant , a Dubuque resident. I also reported to cemetery officials. I had the grave that is full that is supposed to be empty probed in 2016 & 2017. It went squish. It tapped nothing. I stated this in court disposing the assailant. When he found out I knew he immediately rented a cemented truck out of Duluth MN. and was ticketed on his way back because an officer spotted liquid coming out of the back. He got a misdimeanor.
      He was driving the cement truck without a permit. I could see a trowel mark that wasnt there before. Now when you probe the grave it hits cement mimicking a casket. The courts will not allow me to dig an unknown person. It is considered an autopsy by Iowa law. An autopsy can only be performed if a crime has been committed in Iowa. In a certain sense how can a crime be proven if you can’t dig. I’ve gone round and round with every authority. I’ve spent thousands and thousands of dollars trying to rectify. The Dubuque police cited it wasnt there jurisdiction in Cass County. Cass County would not look into. Meanwhile the cemetery plot that was my mother’s who is not buried there was to go to me. I can not be there as it is full. Is it Paul? I can tell you the outline of the person from above ground view was face down, very tall and the first thing I said was this person does not have any shoes on. Like they were snatched from a home. This is a very rural area. I was told by the cemetery clerk a few people have randomly shown up over the years. I was horrified by this statement. If I can see they are not properly buried they no full well. I passed on the info. to your family. My hands are tied.

      • Holly Gotz says:

        And by the way the assailant Im talking about was driving a mercury zephyr at the time of my grandma’s funeral in 1994. I and my sister thot his car was so strange because it had nice parts to it but a primer paint color. We were never taken to the correct cemetery. I believe because we would have noticed the strangeness at that time. I never saw my grandma buried. I did exhumed her spot only to find it was not her casket. Could not get a lawyer to touch it to go forward with opening the casket, considered an autopsy. I did find info that she was cremated. Where are her ashes? The timeline and events of what happened to my family and our cemetery plots eerily match up with Paul missing. The grave and body of the unknown person was dug originally in the winter it appeared. Hard to dig deep and also preserving the person for a time. Making an outline above ground.
        If Paul were Hoffa, I might have gotten somewhere.

  448. Bob Stika says:

    She is buried behind the tavern building at 206 N. Linn St. in Iowa City,no doubt.

  449. anon says:

    Patrick D. Baird died in 2004.
    Jerry Wintz died in 1999.
    Stephen Woodcock died in 2007.
    David Graham died in 2014.
    Frank Sykora died last year.
    Wilbur Millhouse died in 2015.

  450. Erika Parr says:

    I was reading this and realized that there had to be more than one murderer and if not why didn’t anyone hear? Especially those in the same room. The oldest guest did have defensive wounds on her body and while she was fighting off the attacker, did she scream? Why didn’t others hear? If the two guests were killed last how come they didn’t hear anyone else scream? Even if all were asleep. You would of had to hear the ax.

    • Jim Farrell says:

      My first reaction when hearing about this. It has been stated that the first blows rendered all victims practically motionless so I wouldn’t be surprised to hear it made them inaudible as well, if only long enough for the second blow. Fortunately we can not test this theory.
      Still I can’t imagine a killer EXPECTING no one to make a sound as they attempt to kill 8 people. And this brings up the questions:
      1. Was only one person the intended victim?
      2. If so then who was killed first?
      After watching “Villisca: Living With A Mystery” I’ve come to the conclusion that it was a psychopath/serial killer. Most probably Henry Lee Moore.
      If any one specific person was the victim then it appears they could have easily committed the deed and left but to go after 8 people in 3 different rooms and on 2 different levels tells me that all of them were intended to die.
      I can’t state it enough. WATCH THAT MOVIE
      So many repetitive questions here a answered in it PLUS you learn so much more. A GREAT documentary.

      • Jason J Knudsen says:

        I would love to know if there is anything left that was collected from the crime scene. As big of a case that this was nationaly you would think they might have some left. As we all too well now know, when you have a scene this bloddy and physical, the murderer most likey left some of himself at the scene along with his victim. If evidence still existed it would be a great chance to see what these experts we have today could maybe find…….just a thought

  451. Dan says:

    If I remember there was something about a car that she had sold to someone for a very cheap price, and there was cigarettes butt’s in the toilet
    It’s still very sad

  452. Kelly Wyman says:

    was this the same Lybarger – his father is listed as Steve….

    Zachary A. Lybarger, age 43, of Council Bluffs, passed away April 13, 2021 at CHI-Mercy Hospital.

    Zach was born June 10, 1977 in Omaha, Nebraska. He was a CNA.

    Zach was preceded in death by his wife, Misty Lybarger; son, Nickales Bywater; father, Steve Lybarger and his grandmother, Mary Lou Schroder.

  453. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    We don’t want to scar them for the rest of their lives. I mean someone fired shots in th o her residence and did not care if they killed her, the boyfriend, or the three kids. So, having their picture on billboard claiming they may be involved with her murder, will make them feel ashamed

    Although they may have fled the area, to avoid being asked about their possible involvement in the murder of another person. What difference does it make, to quote a former Secretary if State in regards to the murder of four of her employees.

  454. Sherman Hill says:

    There are ppl of interest in this case that has left state but I don’t see Why there pictures are not being showed on billboards like the other Cold cases All murders deserve the same attention

    • layla says:

      This is such a recent case too, in comparison to some of the others, it would be amazing if more attention could be brought to her murder so it would have a better chance to being solved.

  455. Bill Entrikin says:

    Ashley was murdered in Dallas County, not Polk County. Please correct this error.

    • Bill Entrikin says:

      I want to add this was probably a two-tap hit, meaning it was a professional job. Chest, then head. This does not suggest stalker or a random act of violence. If someone close to her was involved, the murder would have been much more messy. Ashley was probably targeted because of the company she worked for, and that should be the focus of the investigation.

      I believe the killer wanted to stoke fear into realtors working for the company and/or realtors working in the same area. The instant reaction by the company to protect its employees suggests that someone within the company knew the reason for this senseless crime

      Real estate deals gone bad can motivate a crazy bastard to commit a horrible crime like this. Focus on motive law enforcement, and you will solve this crime.

  456. He was the science teacher there before Kathleen Hartung.

  457. LakeLife says:

    Praying the truth comes out!
    Clearly the person in the brown pick up truck was stealing.
    Did he come back & Mr. Reed confronted him?!
    Is this why he was attacked & murdered?
    Police should try looking at brown colored trucks in that area at that time.
    Praying for justice!

  458. LakeLife says:

    Two of the four people involved in this are now dead.
    God will be their judge but there are still two others who need to be prosecuted!
    Doris needs to be exhumed & a murder investigation needs to take place!

    • Patti Fox says:

      Hoping Mr. Hildebrand and Jody Ewing are both well, Bless them. Please go to Readers’ Favorite website / readersfavorite.com You will find a
      recent review on the Book by Ruth Forrest Glenn, JUGGERNAUT
      Jule Sturzenegger (Loy) Gray, and Robert Rolfe should step up and own
      what they know and did that night/weekend as they complete the 4 people involved in Elaine’s death and coverup. Lake Life above is absolutely right! There are still 2 people living to answer for at least themselves and their illegal participation

  459. Melanie Wood says:

    She only had $20. Killed for $20. A 90 yr old woman. POS COWARD!

  460. Melanie Wood says:

    To do this to this sweet elderly helpless woman. A widow for 15 yrs. Legally blind. Small. She must have been terrified. Emma, You will be avenged. Whoever did this is a COWARD AND YOU WILL PAY! DON’T THINK YOU WON’T. YOU DESERVE THE WORST!!!!

  461. Melanie Wood says:

    IMO it was someone he trusted. With 75 weapons around. I can’t see it wasn’t.

  462. Melanie Wood says:

    I really don’t understand how or why anyone would want to hurt an elderly woman. But the criminal minder, They don’t have a conscious. They feel no empathy. No remorse. That’s how they can sleep at night.

  463. Melanie Wood says:

    He was released only to kill again. Typical of the justice system. More rights for the criminal and not for victims and future victums.

  464. Jeri Klein says:

    I just re-read Aaron Pate’s sad story. It’s awful that he has never been located. I know what his brother, Ian, has shared and that’s it. I cannot imagine the emotional toll that the surviving family members have endured including the tragic and senseless loss of their sister.
    I shared a few of my thoughts a few years ago and I also identified who i am.
    I was pretty surprised that some of the responders had choice opinions about me. But, they chose to hide behind their initials and acronyms.
    I still love my town. I have, however, become involved in several groups looking to better our town. Anyone who has felt out cast or not welcome is very welcome to join any group they wish and become part of the solution. It is difficult to put yourself out there sometimes, I’ve been there so I know.
    I certainly apologize to anyone who felt I was blaming them for not being accepted. That was never my intent.
    The original post was about Aaron Pate and I hope and pray that wherever he is, he is at peace. And, i hope his family has some sense of peace in their lives as they have had to live their lives without him.

    • KJ says:

      I agree… this is no place for commenting on the pros/cons of Keota, IA.
      I stumbled upon this site online after finding nothing at the local library.
      I have since started a blog and it’s gaining momentum.
      I had no idea a tiny little town in the middle of nowhere Iowa had so many secrets to keep.
      If I learn anything significant from my blog, I will definitely share it here for the family of the missing…

  465. Mason Mixdorf says:

    thank you

  466. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I wonder if her family knows the identity of the ex-boyfriend. It would be nice to know, if he ever been investigated by the police. She complains to police that she is being bothered by him. Then she disappears, it would make me put him at the top of the list, to be looked at real hard.

    I wonder if any other of his former girlfriends are missing.

    • Denise says:

      I believe he was questioned, but because they didn’t find a body or evidence he was let go. -her granddaughter

  467. Terri Rudsell says:

    Wow I’m reading all these comments about myself. You people have never heard my side of this. Did you know that Hal Snedeker knew how the victims were killed before the autopsy ever proved what happened? Of course not because you’re all too quick to judge people. There are so many liescout there and you have no fucking clue what I found in Hal and Linda Snedekers interviews. Bet you didn’t know that he has no alibi for that night. He has 50 plus inconsistencies in his interviews and 3 different. Stories about where he was. AND YOU FUCKERS WANT TO CALL ME A LIAR? He also told my daughter that wasn’t now the murders were supposed to have happened.. I can prove Hal was involved. All I need is for someone to do my story.AND ANOTHER THING— I did not roll Steve’s arm up in a car door, Melisa did. It happened in the 3 speed he had and I still to this day cannot drive one. Ask Patty Hilpipre, she’s the one who told me what actually happened. She was Melisas friend. Steve was ripping off Hal for drugs and was going to turn states evidence on him in court, but he died before he had the chance.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      Teri, it’s nice of you to come clean of sorts. However, the victims were murdered in 1983. You have had over 37 years to tell your story, and point at someone else. I guess you could not find an attorney to represent you when you could have provided the statement you just elaborated.

      This reminds me that the family in Columbus, Ohio protected their uncle and brother because they allegedly were afriad6to rat him out for a murder he committed. After he was dead, did kind of come clean after a journalist started digging.

      I assume Hal, will come clean also, and point the finger st someone else

    • Daniel Thomas Gomez says:

      Terri yeah it made no sense to me either why they waited 31 years and let a Cold Case journalist talk them into bringing charges against you without any new evidence. Seemed kind of weird that if they were aware of possible drug dealings going on at the CDR that they didn’t bust them awhile ago. Make me wonder if he (Hal) was some confidential informant himself or was just a drug dealer that left Florida before it became to hot for him. And if they seemed to know that Steve was involved in drug dealing why they didn’t follow up on that further. Seemed like they just naturally assumed it was the so called criminal Supino family. Well hopefully you can get your story out and maybe they will get their act together in Newton & do some real police work. Best of luck and tell Tim I said hi. If he is still in Newton I will have to look him up next time I am there.

    • Daniel Thomas Gomez says:

      Well hopefully you can get your story heard and maybe even published Terry. Hopefully people will stop trying to pass judgement without all the facts. Sounds like it would be quite a compelling read if you where able to get your story published. Possibly start off with some background on you. Steve Fisher and the owner of the Copper Dollar Ranch. And for those that don’t believe drug hits can be brutal just look at MIAMI, FL in the 80’s . Out of control and brutal murders everyday. They used brutality to make a point. Enough said

  468. Barbara says:

    This needs to be solved now.

  469. Anonymous says:

    Unblemished hope!

  470. howled09 says:

    What place was she last seen?

  471. Donald Garney says:

    Hello,my name is Donald Garney. And i am trying to find anybody that may remember or help me to find info on a homicide in webster city iowa. My Grandmother was remaried to a man with the last name Daniels, or McDaniels who murdered her and hid her body in a shed, being found weeks later. He had struck her in the head with a hammer and left her to choke on her own blood. Sorry for the detail, but ive tried everything. Hopeing now maybe someone in the earea may remember hearing about it in the news. My mother was raised in a orphanage at a very young age due to this, and has recently passed. If someone ,anybody can help?. Victims name Erma or Irma, Jane or Jean, McDaniel or Daniel murdered in webster city iowa, hamilton county or calhoun county, in 1960’s . Maiden name (carlson) . Thank you. And GODBLESS.

    • Patrick Kerrigan says:

      Donald, I recommend an online search for information related to her murder. Also, contacting the local library, they may have newspapers from that time period they could check.

      Another option, would be to see if their might be a Webster City Historica Society. The murder would have been big news and they might have some records.

      Also, I would assume that maybe the local county would have some trial records, if there was an arrest and court hearing. Those records hopefully would be resource.

  472. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    The few details claims she took a Greyhound bus from Texss to visit her father in Davenport. Yet, we have no information or proof, she even reached Davenport, or Iowa period. Then we hear that she might have been missing since 1980 and not 1982.

    Where is Sgt. Joe Friday, who asks for the facts and speculation. Can we get some more facts of when she left wherever in Texas.

    I wonder, if this was a spur of the moment visit or a planned trip. If it was a planned trip, did she have a suitcase. How long was she going to be in Iowa. We don’t where she started, if she made it out of Texas, crossed any state borders or decide to runaway.

    • Amanda says:

      Could she have gotten braces ? Or plastic surgery to change her appearance? Had anyone from the greyhound bus seen her get on the bus? Did the bus driver who would of driven it there see her talking to anyone? Did the police even look Into any of these questions ? I am so very sorry for your loss but these are the questions I think people should be asking. Give this family the peace of mind or find the daughter safely. Praying you get the answers you need. The family deserves justice or to bring their daughter home safely.

  473. Teresa Handy says:

    prayers family gets answers to Mervin, someone knows something and pray their consious will get to them

  474. Melanie Wood says:

    It’s very unfortunate this man chose that way of life.But that gives no one the right to kill him. However people that deal with meth ruin other people’s lives. Let it be someone else. Don’t deal. Don’t take it. It’s a terrible road.

  475. Pamela Constable says:

    I believe now DNA, will give this baby the known Mother.

  476. Shannon Hardin says:

    He was my Husband

  477. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    Chad, I wonder if your father was a veteran. I notice that was homeless when he disappeared. Many homeless are veterans dealing with various mental health or other issues related to military service.

    If he is a veteran, then the authorities should reach out to the Veterans Administration to see, if he has visited any VA Medical Centers since his disappearance. The VA can’t release any medical condition stuff.

  478. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I notice there is no mention of any forensic evidence recovered. There should have been something between the burglary and his murder. Also, no mention if they got a description of the intruder that Smith encountered.

    I would guess that the offender Smith encountered may have been a drug addict. I wonder if the rifle was ever recovered. Also, if local pawn shops to see if the stolen property were ever taken to them.

  479. Stay Strong! says:

    I’d recommend watching the People Magazine Investigates episode on Tammy’s case. It was a good and informative watch,

    All signs sure point to Lonnie Bierbrodt it appears from my perspective. The authorities did render an opinion on him and a few others. I want to spoil for anybody who plans on watching the segment.

  480. Tamara Morrow says:

    My little sister.

  481. Melanie Wood says:

    Bruce. What a great tattoo. A wonderful tribute to your son. Bless you sir.

  482. Melanie Wood says:

    I believe the evidence speaks for itself and the people or person involved.

  483. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I was wondering if there was any explanation for tut he tattoo of the words “Soriano” bring tattooed on her neck. Aside understand it certain tattoos in prison indicates that the person belongs to a particular gang.

    It could be a name of a family member, or maybe someone she was dating. It might be something to explore, as it might have made her a target. As being a gang member found hanging around on another gang’s turf.

  484. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I find it interesting that there was no mention of the police finding any fingerprints. Also, in regards to the .25 caliber firearm found at the scene. It would appear that it belonged to the victim. But, it not exactly identified as his. Which makes me wonder if the laundromat had ever been robbed before. This might explain Mr. Hill’s possible need to carry a weapon.

    Also, he was stabbed 21 times, which would possibly point to someone bring extremely angry with him. Also, he was shot once. But, the authorities did not identify the caliber of the bullet. I might assume he was shot with the .25 caliber. But, it is an assumption.

  485. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    In regards to the suggestion of Timothy Jay Vafeades being involved. It appears that he kept his victims captive. Lonnie Bierbodt, makes a better suspect, for the following reasons:

    He lived close to where her body was found. He was visiting family, who lived close to where she first disappeared. The blanket she was wrapped up in had a Kenworth logo on it. He drove a Kenworth truck. Also, the musical watch. Also, he sold his truck within days of her being found.

    However, all this is circumstantial evidence. It appears that the authorities most likely did not handle the processing of evidence properly. The processing of the crime scene is very important, this includes maintaining a proper chain of custody, as it is passed along to crime labs.

    The two guys caught and charged in the kidnapping and murder of Bobby Frank’s, in 1920’s Chicago, were caught because of a pair of eyeglasses found where his body was dumped. It turned the eyeglass frame was something new from the eyeglass company Almer & Coe. It turned only three people in the Chicago area, had eyeglasses with those new frames.

    Also, Colonel Goddard, MD, U.S. Army Reserve, was brought in by Cook County Coroner Jury, to process the St. Valentine Day massacre. He found that two Thompson sub machine guns had been used. One had a 50 round drum magazine and the other had a straight 20 round magazine.

    Both weapons were found in the residence of Fred “Killer” Burke, in St. Joseph. He also shot and killed a policeman, who was assigned to investigate a vehicle accident Burke was involved in.

  486. Gayl Elliott says:

    I worked with Mattie Lou also as a teacher’s aide back in 1976-1977. She was always really kind to me and all of the students. I’ve never forgotten her and have always hoped that we would know what happened. Her family should know she is still loved by me and many.

  487. cvz says:

    MIKED-its my understanding she was alone when last seen leaving place “a” to place “b” and I don’t think she was actually reported missing until day or days later.

  488. Mr. Ben says:

    My theory is she left the bar at closing time (or perhaps a little before) and passed out in her car. Both her keys and money were found in the car suggesting Crystal was in the car before she went missing.

    But I also think the car moved and whoever moved her car took advantage of the fact she was passed out/intoxicated, and took her somewhere and removed her from the car before returning it to the parking spot.

    So the kind of evidence this case needs is proving Crystal was in the backseat or passenger seat of her car and proof someone else was driving. Considering the circumstances and suspects I don’t think they’d gone very far. Five miles maybe. 20 minutes total round trip. The car is gone maybe a total of half an hour to forty five minutes depending on what he/they did. Her car moving suggests two people if they are heading out of town, but returning the car to the parking lot suggests a suspect who lives more locally or someone who needs to be back at the bar to establish an alibi.

    Also something to consider: last seen 2am bar time? (bars tend to set their clocks a half hour so they close by 2am with no patrons inside the bar as is the law) or 2am real time when the bar is supposed to be closed with no patrons? Now I don’t know if Knickers sets its clocks a half-hour fast, but it is something to consider when we put a timeline together to pinpoint the time and place someone last saw Crystal and match that up with a suspect.

  489. Krystal ficken says:

    This was my big brother and I will always love and miss him. He has a younger brother Anthony who just had a son last year. He named him Chris after his brother. If anybody has any pictures or anything of my brothers I will be willing to drive from where I’m at to where you’re at to grab it for my nephew and my brother. We just want answers as to what happened that night.

  490. Katie says:

    Why wasn’t her boyfriend at the time considered a suspect?

    • Heather Brokaw says:

      Why is no one talking? She didn’t get there by herself! So aggravating & frustrating!

    • Britney Perschek says:

      I was her roommate at Prelude with her a few months before she went missing. She was always screaming and crying on the phone with her boyfriend. The minute I heard of this I thought it was him

  491. LakeLife says:

    From what the family is saying on here it was Uncle Roy who is now dead.
    If that’s so then justice will be done in Heaven.
    So sad & sick!

  492. LakeLife says:

    If he confessed to it I feel they could have at least followed up on it!
    So sad that they both were murdered!
    Praying for justice!

  493. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    I wonder who asked her to hold a gun for them. Also, her ex-husband was doing time. I am concerned about this guy Smith, who is a drug counselor after serving time with her ex-husband at the age of 22.

    I think that with her husband being in prison, that she would shy away from holding a gun for someone. She lucked out and got probation. However, her mentioning that she was bring possibly asked to be an informant put her life at risk.

  494. Patrick Kerrigan says:

    Audrey, you suggest a connection to the murder of Teresa Sue Hilt. However, in Teresa’s case, she was beaten, raped, strangled, and stabbed. Also, the blood at the crime scene was cleaned up, and her body covered with a sheet.

    In Judith’s case, she died from blunt force trauma. The crime scene was different. The only apparent connection was that they were both college students. But Teresa was working on a graduate degree.

    I disagree with the thought on Teresa’s case, that the offender was a female. This assumption is based on the cleaning of the crime scene and her body covered with the sheet. A good profiler would look at the crime scene, and explain why it most likely was a male offender.

    I wonder if the police ever identified the guy, who was harassing her.

  495. LakeLife says:

    I think they need to revisit this Richard guy. He’s a cheat & I think there’s more to this story. Also, if they can get a DNA sample from the baby I feel like that’s going to help too.

  496. Kelly Verdoorn says:

    I miss my granny,,, I didn’t get the to spend a lot of time with her as an adult. I loved watching and betting on baseball with grandma. Grandma, I love and miss you

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